Speaker 1: Oh my god, hide the foodies back again. It's one
Speaker 1: more thing.
Speaker 2: I'm one more thing speaking of food, and before we
Speaker 2: get to whatever that is just came across this. This
Speaker 2: has got to be one of those causation versus what
Speaker 2: is that that?
Speaker 1: What is it? Correlation?
Speaker 2: Correlation? Yeah, uh, there's got to be something else. Adults
Speaker 2: whose spicy food intake you like, the spicy food averaged
Speaker 2: six to seven days a week had a fourteen percent
Speaker 2: lower relative risk of dying than those who take Why
Speaker 2: why would what's the what's the theory?
Speaker 1: No, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just try. I never think it's that stuff. I
Speaker 2: always think it's a correlation. Like what is the lifestyle
Speaker 2: of people who eat spicy food that would cause them
Speaker 2: to die less? Way around?
Speaker 1: Like you're like your your big fat southern.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe it's about to have a heart attack. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those foods are I don't call it bland, but it's
Speaker 2: not spicy. A lot of gravy and fried chicken and
Speaker 2: all those flavors which I love, but it's not spicy.
Speaker 2: You're right, I'll bet it's that.
Speaker 1: Oh. I discovered I like Indian food even more than
Speaker 1: I realized. On the cruise, because that's.
Speaker 2: One flavor I do not like.
Speaker 1: Oh Man was so good, but that's spicy.
Speaker 2: Indian casino or wins spelling Bee.
Speaker 1: Championship spelling Bee. Yeah, yeah, the subcontinent, not the reservations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. We made some jokes when we
Speaker 1: were talking about the cruise and all about food and
Speaker 1: buffets and stuff like that, and it is possible just
Speaker 1: taking way, way, way too many calories. It's not like
Speaker 1: you eat like a hog in an individual meal, but
Speaker 1: every time you're hungry, you have fabulously prepared a huge
Speaker 1: variety of food to choose from her.
Speaker 2: A little of this, a little maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: of that, with the added weird mental thing of you
Speaker 2: paid for this and you kind of get more value
Speaker 2: the more you eat, which doesn't make any sense, but well.
Speaker 1: You're right. But yeah, there were a couple of mornings
Speaker 1: I had what I usually have for breakfast, which is
Speaker 1: some yogurt and fruit, maybe some nuts on top of it.
Speaker 2: I paid for this. I'm not just gonna have yogurt
Speaker 2: and fruit.
Speaker 1: Here. I am walking past the salmon and the bagels
Speaker 1: and the pre made omelets or the order on omelet
Speaker 1: or the delicious bacon and the just everything.
Speaker 2: I got up in the morning to make it, and
Speaker 2: everything you eave them standing there alone, muffins and danishes
Speaker 2: and what else was there?
Speaker 1: Just everything everything you could possibly.
Speaker 2: Eakfast, the sort of pancake or French toast.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Of course, yes, every variety you
Speaker 1: can imagine. You think I'm just having a cup of yogurt.
Speaker 1: I'm losing money here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, And what's the point of being alive?
Speaker 1: Just gain like three pounds that you know, you know
Speaker 1: how weighing in goes Tomorrow it could be three more
Speaker 1: pounds and I'll be like, wait what, but we'll say so.
Speaker 1: On the cruise, I found myself thinking about a couple
Speaker 1: of things. Number one, retirement, not because I'm considering it.
Speaker 1: Really a lot of my friends and golf buddies are
Speaker 1: retired or about to retire and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 1: kind of it's a conversation that I have. But I
Speaker 1: love what I do and I'm super interested in it,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't want to. So maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit different, a little different work life balance, but
Speaker 1: in short, I don't want to. But I was thinking
Speaker 1: about self discipline in the different kinds of it. And
Speaker 1: here's why. I you know, I make jokes about drinking
Speaker 1: a lot, but I'm pretty responsible about my drinking, hardly
Speaker 1: because I don't want my wife to think I'm a
Speaker 1: lush and also because I care about this job. And
Speaker 1: if I get like hammered and I'm hungover the next day,
Speaker 1: I'm not as good at it, and I that it
Speaker 1: kills me. I hate that. But I was thinking on vacation,
Speaker 1: we would like to do almost every day an outing
Speaker 1: or an adventure, whether it was a we did a
Speaker 1: couple of kayak excursions that were quite strenuous, or a
Speaker 1: you know, floatplane thing or a hike or whatever, and
Speaker 1: you can't do them hungover, especially if I'm not I've tried,
Speaker 1: I'm miserable and I'm and you know, everybody, depending on
Speaker 1: your age, has a different view of what it means
Speaker 1: to be hungover. I remember when it was just a
Speaker 1: headache and my stomach didn't feel good, but it kind
Speaker 1: of evolves to I know you remember this from your
Speaker 1: drinking days. Excess of alcohol use can have digestive.
Speaker 2: Effects where indeed, if you were to be kayak when
Speaker 2: saying there was no saying no, what are you gonna
Speaker 2: do you want to send this guyak to the dry cleaner?
Speaker 1: You're gonna, yes, Selene, what are you gonna hang your
Speaker 1: ours over the edge and pollute the glacier lake? I know.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the discipline I showed on vacation
Speaker 1: was what I would call a circumstance related. And I realized,
Speaker 1: if and you know, I don't where does one start
Speaker 1: in the other one end or whatever? If I could,
Speaker 1: if it just doesn't matter how I feel the next day,
Speaker 1: or if there were no scale, would I be self
Speaker 1: disciplined at all?
Speaker 2: Or what?
Speaker 1: I just I'm trying to understand what is like actual
Speaker 1: moral and what is just a practical concession of the
Speaker 1: fact that I don't want to suck at my job
Speaker 1: and I don't want to have to take a crap
Speaker 1: in the middle of a lake, which is sorry those
Speaker 1: of you with more delicate sensibilities, it's a good thing
Speaker 1: to avoid. Yeah, oh lord, that's a good point. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have any point to this.
Speaker 1: I just found myself thinking, are you really disciplined or
Speaker 1: is this just again a practical accommodation to the good
Speaker 1: things and bad things you want to avoid? Or are
Speaker 1: those the same thing? Right? It is that the same thing.
Speaker 2: I got two examples of that kind of like. So
Speaker 2: I'm in the gym almost every day. I'm very very consistent,
Speaker 2: right yeah, much more disciplined than I am right now.
Speaker 2: But it's not driven by health or any sort of
Speaker 2: like noble reason. It's because I'm single. It's vanity and lasciviousness.
Speaker 1: That's it is.
Speaker 2: It's never apologized for Lascius. It is not any sort
Speaker 2: of well the doctor said I should keep my cluster. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I don't think about that at all. And then so
Speaker 2: I've been trying to write lately. I'm trying to make
Speaker 2: that a new habit.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bought this really cool electric typewriter thing. It's awesome,
Speaker 2: it feels uh oh uh oh.
Speaker 1: The I'm going to turn over a new leaf.
Speaker 2: So I buy gears, right, definitely something you gotta watch
Speaker 2: out for a lot. I gotta type on something. I
Speaker 2: just I hate typing on computers. I always have. And
Speaker 2: I came across this thing about how a lot of
Speaker 2: people hate type on computers. I just hate it, something
Speaker 2: about the shallow depth and the sound or something like that.
Speaker 2: So I bought this thing that's very popular with writers
Speaker 2: that feels and sounds like a typewriter, but it's a
Speaker 2: word processor thing. Very cool. And also it's not hooked
Speaker 2: to the internet and it's impossible, so you can't go online. Also,
Speaker 2: that's the other thing with computers. There's lots of people
Speaker 2: talking about it's just too easy to check your email
Speaker 2: real quick or a text comes in. So I got
Speaker 2: this word process or thing that I've been using, and
Speaker 2: I've been trying to be disciplined every single day and
Speaker 2: I was actually typing last night, doing my kind of
Speaker 2: journaling before I try to write anything, but just owt
Speaker 2: You know. The weird thing about that trying to get
Speaker 2: this is nobody's making me do this. I don't have
Speaker 2: to do it. I could easily say, you know what,
Speaker 2: you're X years old, who cares? Don't do it? Why
Speaker 2: are you making yourself do something that you find to
Speaker 2: be a chore?
Speaker 1: Why? What is the goal here?
Speaker 2: What's the Because it's not like lifting weights I'm doing
Speaker 2: so I can get a girlfriend. What am I gonna
Speaker 2: get out of writing other than in theory some sort
Speaker 2: So yeah, motivating yourself to do things for the right
Speaker 2: reason is hard.
Speaker 1: If I had to write postponing brain rot though. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Boy, I don't know. That doesn't work for me either,
Speaker 2: because I mean, that'd be the exercise thing I should
Speaker 2: be exercising because it's gonna help me live a longer,
Speaker 2: more enjoyable life.
Speaker 1: That's not why I'm exercising.
Speaker 2: I need you writers get laid a lot. I need
Speaker 2: some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do conflicted about it.
Speaker 2: Uh if like if I got horrible, uncontrollable diarrhea by
Speaker 2: not writing, kind of like your motivation for drinking.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the least bit controllable.
Speaker 2: It's funny the motivation of what makes people do things
Speaker 2: or not, And you'd like it to be a character driven,
Speaker 2: but it oftentimes is not.
Speaker 1: So. Yeah. Well, I've I've often said, particularly of a
Speaker 1: certain young man who I'm very, very fond of, that
Speaker 1: I wish you would find a great woman because if
Speaker 1: you're the sort of guy and there are plenty of
Speaker 1: you that are self motivated to become everything you can
Speaker 1: be good for you. Uh. For me, A huge factor
Speaker 1: in my life, huge was not wanting to let down
Speaker 1: my wife or my children. Oh yeah, I'm afraid I
Speaker 1: could be a slacker. Bum fairly easily, but I'm not
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. Uh yeah, yeah, So what is the
Speaker 1: nature of self discipline?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Hmm, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Are most people driven by the sticks rather than the
Speaker 2: carrots or or or carrots that aren't anything you should
Speaker 2: be proud of.
Speaker 1: Also, your metaphor is getting a little hasty to me,
Speaker 1: what am I doing with the carrot? Is this a
Speaker 1: substitute for getting laid or now? I well, you know
Speaker 1: I Also there's the I want to do good at
Speaker 1: my job because I like money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any problem with that. You know,
Speaker 2: we're on a stage every single day. Who wants to
Speaker 2: embarrass themselves on stage in front of people?
Speaker 1: But that's a.
Speaker 2: Stick also, yeah, avoiding embarrassment. So like you, Michael, you
Speaker 2: you're pretty disciplined with your eating, But that's because the
Speaker 2: doctor flat out told you you're going to lose your
Speaker 2: feet or die or what.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and you know I like having toes.
Speaker 1: So I eat.
Speaker 2: Probably you have to buy all new socks.
Speaker 3: But I was thinking about when you guys were talking
Speaker 3: about retirement. Yeah, by not retiring, by working till the
Speaker 3: day you die, you always have that stick.
Speaker 1: Which is good.
Speaker 3: It means you can't drink as much as you want.
Speaker 3: You've got to show up somewhere, so it it creates discipline.
Speaker 1: Well, you're right, and that's actually I left unsaid kind
Speaker 1: of that point that I was thinking about retirement, thinking well,
Speaker 1: I'll have to institute a new system of self discipline
Speaker 1: or kind of a new paradigm to not just go
Speaker 1: completely nuts. And I've talked to enough friends who have
Speaker 1: retired that Yeah, that's part of it. And you have
Speaker 1: to figure out a purpose. You have to have a
Speaker 1: reason to get up in the morning. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, I had a couple of I only had a
Speaker 2: couple of days where when we were on vacation last
Speaker 2: week where my kids were busy and I had the
Speaker 2: whole day free, and man, at least one of them, I.
Speaker 1: Just completely wasted.
Speaker 2: And I thought, dang it. I mean like I was
Speaker 2: so productive when the kids were little, especially, It's like
Speaker 2: I don't even know how I did it, just to
Speaker 2: go all day long because I had no choice, given
Speaker 2: a choice, it's very easy for me to sleep late,
Speaker 2: flip on the TV. You know, I could use a nap.
Speaker 1: You just got up.
Speaker 2: I'm tired. I can get out of hand. So fast,
Speaker 2: and I know I've talked to people retired who yes,
Speaker 2: that can happen. Next thing, you know, a month has
Speaker 2: gone by and you haven't done any of the things
Speaker 2: you thought you were going to do in retirement, none
Speaker 2: of them that.
Speaker 1: Would be me. I had a friend I wish we'd
Speaker 1: stayed in touch, but when we met Roger, he was
Speaker 1: seventy seven years old. He was our next door neighbor
Speaker 1: at our walled compound in the woods, and and he
Speaker 1: was just starting a big new business and had to
Speaker 1: fly back and forth to Montana. I think because he
Speaker 1: believed you retire, you die. He'd had several friends who
Speaker 1: were tired and then just boom they did. In the
Speaker 1: last two years.
Speaker 2: I've told you the story about my financial guy, who
Speaker 2: you know. He said, I have seen this my entire career,
Speaker 2: people who can't wait to retire, And then when I
Speaker 2: see him the next year, one year later, when they
Speaker 2: come back for their evaluation, they look like they've aged
Speaker 2: fifteen years. He said, it's like it's like a truism.
Speaker 2: And then I know some people who have thrived in retirement.
Speaker 2: They're doing great.
Speaker 1: Generally, they're busy, they're trying to accomplish something. They're doing
Speaker 1: something that's important to them. But you know what, I've
Speaker 1: got this retired doctor friend who's absolutely hilarious, and he's
Speaker 1: been retired for an number of years. He couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll play golf, we'll have a drink
Speaker 1: or two after the round or something. I'll say, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta knock it off. I gotta work tomorrow, and say, Joe,
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta work never And he really
Speaker 1: relishes it and he'll outlive us all. So just how
Speaker 1: is I wish there was a genetic test you could take?
Speaker 1: Or listen? You're a four C. I need you to
Speaker 1: listen to me, very very carefully. The minute you leave work,
Speaker 1: you do this, that and the other. You'll be dead
Speaker 1: within a year or whatever. You're a one be don't worry,
Speaker 1: You'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not good with free time. I wish I
Speaker 2: was better at it, but I'm not good with it.
Speaker 1: So saw a bunch of whales Alaska, two bears, handful
Speaker 1: of orcas. We saw you get flipped on your head
Speaker 1: by that bison, got flipped on my head by bison.
Speaker 1: Let's see sea otters sea lion, stellar seals. It's not
Speaker 1: a rating, that's that's the breed.
Speaker 2: A bunch of good names for a breed. I wish
Speaker 2: I was like the magnificent Jack. That was just my name, right,
Speaker 2: Stellar sea lions. Yeah, they remind me of great egrets. Look,
Speaker 2: that's a great egret.
Speaker 1: I've seen better egrets. Yeah, it's okay, boy. The wildlife,
Speaker 1: the wildlife. You know, it's surprising about wildlife. It's how
Speaker 1: little you see. You're in like a vast wild, untrammeled wilderness.
Speaker 1: Odds are good. You're not gonna see goddamn squirrel. I mean,
Speaker 1: just because there's so much room. It's not like the
Speaker 1: bears are crowded together like commuters on a subway car
Speaker 1: or something like that. They're off, they're off in a wilderness. Right.
Speaker 2: Did you see uh, like ice in water?
Speaker 1: What do you call that? All icebergs? Icebergs?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we saw some beautiful glaciers and icebergs. You
Speaker 1: got three kinds of iceberg jack, depending on their size,
Speaker 1: you got uh two meters or smaller. I think those
Speaker 1: are growlers. Seriously, that's that's what you call unfortunate iceberg.
Speaker 2: Now, most of the iceberg is above water? Do I
Speaker 2: remember that correctly?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, as a matter of fact, that is incorrect.
Speaker 1: So you got your growlers, Michael, And your second size
Speaker 1: is I believe, up to five meters in length, and
Speaker 1: those are called believe it or not, bergie bits, which
Speaker 1: is as cutesy as growler is unfortunate. And then more
Speaker 1: than five meters you've got an iceberg.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: Indeed, contrary to Jack's belief, they're dangerous because you can
Speaker 1: only see a fraction.
Speaker 2: Why did we all learn in grade school that seven
Speaker 2: tenths of an iceberg is under the water like we
Speaker 2: are all because the Titanic was Titanic not everybody needs
Speaker 2: to know this in case you're ever pilot in a
Speaker 2: boat right outside of Scandinavia.
Speaker 1: Look, if you find yourself piloting an enormous ocean liner,
Speaker 1: remember this one thing of all things to learn right right?
Speaker 3: Hey, real quick? A serious question? How daylight hours? Was
Speaker 3: it daylight for twelve hours a day or what's it
Speaker 3: like up there?
Speaker 1: Not quite because we were in late June early July,
Speaker 1: but it was blazing sunshine at ten o'clock at night
Speaker 1: ten o'clock. Wow, Oh yeah, you'd be you'd be you know,
Speaker 1: sipping drinks and doing whatever, and you'd look at your
Speaker 1: watch and think, holy crap, how did that happen? And
Speaker 1: then you'd wake up, you know in the wee hours
Speaker 1: of the morning too, I don't know, perhaps relieve yourself
Speaker 1: and uh, and the sun would be bullazing. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: oh boy. And the sun would be blazing. It should
Speaker 1: ended at about a minute ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess that's it.