WEBVTT - Hide the Food...He's Back! 

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, hide the foodies back again. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one more thing speaking of food, and before we

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<v Speaker 2>get to whatever that is just came across this. This

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<v Speaker 2>has got to be one of those causation versus what

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<v Speaker 2>is that that?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it? Correlation?

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<v Speaker 2>Correlation? Yeah, uh, there's got to be something else. Adults

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<v Speaker 2>whose spicy food intake you like, the spicy food averaged

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<v Speaker 2>six to seven days a week had a fourteen percent

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<v Speaker 2>lower relative risk of dying than those who take Why

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<v Speaker 2>why would what's the what's the theory?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just try. I never think it's that stuff. I

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<v Speaker 2>always think it's a correlation. Like what is the lifestyle

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<v Speaker 2>of people who eat spicy food that would cause them

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<v Speaker 2>to die less? Way around?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're like your your big fat southern.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh maybe it's about to have a heart attack. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those foods are I don't call it bland, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not spicy. A lot of gravy and fried chicken and

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<v Speaker 2>all those flavors which I love, but it's not spicy.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, I'll bet it's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I discovered I like Indian food even more than

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<v Speaker 1>I realized. On the cruise, because that's.

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<v Speaker 2>One flavor I do not like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Man was so good, but that's spicy.

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<v Speaker 2>Indian casino or wins spelling Bee.

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<v Speaker 1>Championship spelling Bee. Yeah, yeah, the subcontinent, not the reservations. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. We made some jokes when we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about the cruise and all about food and

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<v Speaker 1>buffets and stuff like that, and it is possible just

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<v Speaker 1>taking way, way, way too many calories. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>you eat like a hog in an individual meal, but

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<v Speaker 1>every time you're hungry, you have fabulously prepared a huge

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<v Speaker 1>variety of food to choose from her.

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<v Speaker 2>A little of this, a little maybe a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of that, with the added weird mental thing of you

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<v Speaker 2>paid for this and you kind of get more value

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<v Speaker 2>the more you eat, which doesn't make any sense, but well.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right. But yeah, there were a couple of mornings

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<v Speaker 1>I had what I usually have for breakfast, which is

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<v Speaker 1>some yogurt and fruit, maybe some nuts on top of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I paid for this. I'm not just gonna have yogurt

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<v Speaker 2>and fruit.

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<v Speaker 1>Here. I am walking past the salmon and the bagels

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<v Speaker 1>and the pre made omelets or the order on omelet

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<v Speaker 1>or the delicious bacon and the just everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I got up in the morning to make it, and

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<v Speaker 2>everything you eave them standing there alone, muffins and danishes

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<v Speaker 2>and what else was there?

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<v Speaker 1>Just everything everything you could possibly.

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<v Speaker 2>Eakfast, the sort of pancake or French toast.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me? Of course, yes, every variety you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine. You think I'm just having a cup of yogurt.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm losing money here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, yeah, And what's the point of being alive?

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<v Speaker 1>Just gain like three pounds that you know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how weighing in goes Tomorrow it could be three more

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<v Speaker 1>pounds and I'll be like, wait what, but we'll say so.

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<v Speaker 1>On the cruise, I found myself thinking about a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Number one, retirement, not because I'm considering it.

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<v Speaker 1>Really a lot of my friends and golf buddies are

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<v Speaker 1>retired or about to retire and stuff like that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it's a conversation that I have. But I

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<v Speaker 1>love what I do and I'm super interested in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just I don't want to. So maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit different, a little different work life balance, but

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<v Speaker 1>in short, I don't want to. But I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about self discipline in the different kinds of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>here's why. I you know, I make jokes about drinking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, but I'm pretty responsible about my drinking, hardly

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want my wife to think I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>lush and also because I care about this job. And

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<v Speaker 1>if I get like hammered and I'm hungover the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not as good at it, and I that it

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<v Speaker 1>kills me. I hate that. But I was thinking on vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>we would like to do almost every day an outing

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<v Speaker 1>or an adventure, whether it was a we did a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of kayak excursions that were quite strenuous, or a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, floatplane thing or a hike or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do them hungover, especially if I'm not I've tried,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm miserable and I'm and you know, everybody, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>your age, has a different view of what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to be hungover. I remember when it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>headache and my stomach didn't feel good, but it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of evolves to I know you remember this from your

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<v Speaker 1>drinking days. Excess of alcohol use can have digestive.

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<v Speaker 2>Effects where indeed, if you were to be kayak when

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<v Speaker 2>saying there was no saying no, what are you gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to send this guyak to the dry cleaner?

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna, yes, Selene, what are you gonna hang your

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<v Speaker 1>ours over the edge and pollute the glacier lake? I know.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of the discipline I showed on vacation

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<v Speaker 1>was what I would call a circumstance related. And I realized,

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<v Speaker 1>if and you know, I don't where does one start

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<v Speaker 1>in the other one end or whatever? If I could,

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<v Speaker 1>if it just doesn't matter how I feel the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>or if there were no scale, would I be self

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<v Speaker 1>disciplined at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Or what?

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm trying to understand what is like actual

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<v Speaker 1>moral and what is just a practical concession of the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I don't want to suck at my job

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to have to take a crap

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a lake, which is sorry those

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<v Speaker 1>of you with more delicate sensibilities, it's a good thing

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid. Yeah, oh lord, that's a good point. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't have any point to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I just found myself thinking, are you really disciplined or

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<v Speaker 1>is this just again a practical accommodation to the good

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<v Speaker 1>things and bad things you want to avoid? Or are

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<v Speaker 1>those the same thing? Right? It is that the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I got two examples of that kind of like. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the gym almost every day. I'm very very consistent,

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<v Speaker 2>right yeah, much more disciplined than I am right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not driven by health or any sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like noble reason. It's because I'm single. It's vanity and lasciviousness.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never apologized for Lascius. It is not any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of well the doctor said I should keep my cluster. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think about that at all. And then so

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<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to write lately. I'm trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>that a new habit.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I bought this really cool electric typewriter thing. It's awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels uh oh uh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>The I'm going to turn over a new leaf.

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<v Speaker 2>So I buy gears, right, definitely something you gotta watch

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<v Speaker 2>out for a lot. I gotta type on something. I

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<v Speaker 2>just I hate typing on computers. I always have. And

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<v Speaker 2>I came across this thing about how a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people hate type on computers. I just hate it, something

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<v Speaker 2>about the shallow depth and the sound or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I bought this thing that's very popular with writers

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<v Speaker 2>that feels and sounds like a typewriter, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>word processor thing. Very cool. And also it's not hooked

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<v Speaker 2>to the internet and it's impossible, so you can't go online. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the other thing with computers. There's lots of people

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it's just too easy to check your email

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<v Speaker 2>real quick or a text comes in. So I got

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<v Speaker 2>this word process or thing that I've been using, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to be disciplined every single day and

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually typing last night, doing my kind of

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<v Speaker 2>journaling before I try to write anything, but just owt

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The weird thing about that trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>this is nobody's making me do this. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. I could easily say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>you're X years old, who cares? Don't do it? Why

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<v Speaker 2>are you making yourself do something that you find to

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<v Speaker 2>be a chore?

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<v Speaker 1>Why? What is the goal here?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the Because it's not like lifting weights I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>so I can get a girlfriend. What am I gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get out of writing other than in theory some sort

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, motivating yourself to do things for the right

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<v Speaker 2>reason is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had to write postponing brain rot though. That's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, I don't know. That doesn't work for me either,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean, that'd be the exercise thing I should

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<v Speaker 2>be exercising because it's gonna help me live a longer,

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<v Speaker 2>more enjoyable life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not why I'm exercising.

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<v Speaker 2>I need you writers get laid a lot. I need

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<v Speaker 2>some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they do conflicted about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh if like if I got horrible, uncontrollable diarrhea by

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<v Speaker 2>not writing, kind of like your motivation for drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, the least bit controllable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny the motivation of what makes people do things

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<v Speaker 2>or not, And you'd like it to be a character driven,

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<v Speaker 2>but it oftentimes is not.

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<v Speaker 1>So. Yeah. Well, I've I've often said, particularly of a

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<v Speaker 1>certain young man who I'm very, very fond of, that

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you would find a great woman because if

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<v Speaker 1>you're the sort of guy and there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>you that are self motivated to become everything you can

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<v Speaker 1>be good for you. Uh. For me, A huge factor

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<v Speaker 1>in my life, huge was not wanting to let down

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<v Speaker 1>my wife or my children. Oh yeah, I'm afraid I

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<v Speaker 1>could be a slacker. Bum fairly easily, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>for obvious reasons. Uh yeah, yeah, So what is the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of self discipline?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Are most people driven by the sticks rather than the

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<v Speaker 2>carrots or or or carrots that aren't anything you should

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<v Speaker 2>be proud of.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, your metaphor is getting a little hasty to me,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I doing with the carrot? Is this a

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<v Speaker 1>substitute for getting laid or now? I well, you know

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<v Speaker 1>I Also there's the I want to do good at

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<v Speaker 1>my job because I like money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't have any problem with that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're on a stage every single day. Who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>embarrass themselves on stage in front of people?

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<v Speaker 1>But that's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Stick also, yeah, avoiding embarrassment. So like you, Michael, you

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<v Speaker 2>you're pretty disciplined with your eating, But that's because the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor flat out told you you're going to lose your

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<v Speaker 2>feet or die or what.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, and you know I like having toes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I eat.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably you have to buy all new socks.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was thinking about when you guys were talking

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<v Speaker 3>about retirement. Yeah, by not retiring, by working till the

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<v Speaker 3>day you die, you always have that stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is good.

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<v Speaker 3>It means you can't drink as much as you want.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to show up somewhere, so it it creates discipline.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're right, and that's actually I left unsaid kind

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<v Speaker 1>of that point that I was thinking about retirement, thinking well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to institute a new system of self discipline

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<v Speaker 1>or kind of a new paradigm to not just go

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<v Speaker 1>completely nuts. And I've talked to enough friends who have

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<v Speaker 1>retired that Yeah, that's part of it. And you have

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out a purpose. You have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>reason to get up in the morning. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I had a couple of I only had a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days where when we were on vacation last

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<v Speaker 2>week where my kids were busy and I had the

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<v Speaker 2>whole day free, and man, at least one of them, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just completely wasted.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, dang it. I mean like I was

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<v Speaker 2>so productive when the kids were little, especially, It's like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how I did it, just to

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<v Speaker 2>go all day long because I had no choice, given

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<v Speaker 2>a choice, it's very easy for me to sleep late,

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<v Speaker 2>flip on the TV. You know, I could use a nap.

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<v Speaker 1>You just got up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tired. I can get out of hand. So fast,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know I've talked to people retired who yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that can happen. Next thing, you know, a month has

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<v Speaker 2>gone by and you haven't done any of the things

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<v Speaker 2>you thought you were going to do in retirement, none

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<v Speaker 2>of them that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be me. I had a friend I wish we'd

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<v Speaker 1>stayed in touch, but when we met Roger, he was

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven years old. He was our next door neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>at our walled compound in the woods, and and he

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<v Speaker 1>was just starting a big new business and had to

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<v Speaker 1>fly back and forth to Montana. I think because he

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<v Speaker 1>believed you retire, you die. He'd had several friends who

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<v Speaker 1>were tired and then just boom they did. In the

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<v Speaker 1>last two years.

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<v Speaker 2>I've told you the story about my financial guy, who

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<v Speaker 2>you know. He said, I have seen this my entire career,

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<v Speaker 2>people who can't wait to retire, And then when I

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<v Speaker 2>see him the next year, one year later, when they

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<v Speaker 2>come back for their evaluation, they look like they've aged

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years. He said, it's like it's like a truism.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I know some people who have thrived in retirement.

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<v Speaker 2>They're doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally, they're busy, they're trying to accomplish something. They're doing

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<v Speaker 1>something that's important to them. But you know what, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got this retired doctor friend who's absolutely hilarious, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>been retired for an number of years. He couldn't be happier.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we'll play golf, we'll have a drink

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<v Speaker 1>or two after the round or something. I'll say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta knock it off. I gotta work tomorrow, and say, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I gotta work never And he really

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<v Speaker 1>relishes it and he'll outlive us all. So just how

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<v Speaker 1>is I wish there was a genetic test you could take?

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<v Speaker 1>Or listen? You're a four C. I need you to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to me, very very carefully. The minute you leave work,

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<v Speaker 1>you do this, that and the other. You'll be dead

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<v Speaker 1>within a year or whatever. You're a one be don't worry,

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm not good with free time. I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>was better at it, but I'm not good with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So saw a bunch of whales Alaska, two bears, handful

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<v Speaker 1>of orcas. We saw you get flipped on your head

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<v Speaker 1>by that bison, got flipped on my head by bison.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see sea otters sea lion, stellar seals. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a rating, that's that's the breed.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of good names for a breed. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>I was like the magnificent Jack. That was just my name, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Stellar sea lions. Yeah, they remind me of great egrets. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a great egret.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen better egrets. Yeah, it's okay, boy. The wildlife,

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<v Speaker 1>the wildlife. You know, it's surprising about wildlife. It's how

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<v Speaker 1>little you see. You're in like a vast wild, untrammeled wilderness.

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<v Speaker 1>Odds are good. You're not gonna see goddamn squirrel. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just because there's so much room. It's not like the

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<v Speaker 1>bears are crowded together like commuters on a subway car

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. They're off, they're off in a wilderness. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see uh, like ice in water?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you call that? All icebergs? Icebergs?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we saw some beautiful glaciers and icebergs. You

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<v Speaker 1>got three kinds of iceberg jack, depending on their size,

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<v Speaker 1>you got uh two meters or smaller. I think those

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<v Speaker 1>are growlers. Seriously, that's that's what you call unfortunate iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, most of the iceberg is above water? Do I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that correctly?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, as a matter of fact, that is incorrect.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got your growlers, Michael, And your second size

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<v Speaker 1>is I believe, up to five meters in length, and

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<v Speaker 1>those are called believe it or not, bergie bits, which

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<v Speaker 1>is as cutesy as growler is unfortunate. And then more

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<v Speaker 1>than five meters you've got an iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>One.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, contrary to Jack's belief, they're dangerous because you can

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<v Speaker 1>only see a fraction.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did we all learn in grade school that seven

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<v Speaker 2>tenths of an iceberg is under the water like we

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<v Speaker 2>are all because the Titanic was Titanic not everybody needs

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<v Speaker 2>to know this in case you're ever pilot in a

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<v Speaker 2>boat right outside of Scandinavia.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, if you find yourself piloting an enormous ocean liner,

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<v Speaker 1>remember this one thing of all things to learn right right?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, real quick? A serious question? How daylight hours? Was

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<v Speaker 3>it daylight for twelve hours a day or what's it

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<v Speaker 3>like up there?

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<v Speaker 1>Not quite because we were in late June early July,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was blazing sunshine at ten o'clock at night

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<v Speaker 1>ten o'clock. Wow, Oh yeah, you'd be you'd be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sipping drinks and doing whatever, and you'd look at your

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<v Speaker 1>watch and think, holy crap, how did that happen? And

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<v Speaker 1>then you'd wake up, you know in the wee hours

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<v Speaker 1>of the morning too, I don't know, perhaps relieve yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and the sun would be bullazing. Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>oh boy. And the sun would be blazing. It should

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<v Speaker 1>ended at about a minute ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I guess that's it.