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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets up? Listeners back here for episode

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Speaker 1: number fifty four of the Metstub podcast. Of course, I'm

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Speaker 1: your co host, draftneck Mark, Mark Luino Here, James Sheiano

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Speaker 1: Jeeter had no range talking about the New York Mets

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Speaker 1: final home series of the twenty twenty one season up

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Speaker 1: against the Miami Marlins. And while we originally thought that

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Speaker 1: this series could have big implications, this could be the

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Speaker 1: series that maybe clinches a divisional victory. Maybe this just

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Speaker 1: gets us into the playoffs. We know that's just not

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Speaker 1: the case. We know that the Mets are not competing

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Speaker 1: for a playoff spot. The Mets have nothing to compete

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Speaker 1: for besides personal pride. And I will say this, they

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Speaker 1: came out and they played kind of okay baseball. A

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Speaker 1: lot of games were really just a perfect microcosm for

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Speaker 1: the entire Mets season. Just some decent hitting, no runs,

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Speaker 1: an offensive explosion, some good pitching here and there. You

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Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of actual value to this series

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Speaker 1: by any means because of the season or playoff implications,

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Speaker 1: we're still gonna talk about it. You know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to take some things away from this as

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Speaker 1: we start to wrap up this twenty twenty one season.

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Speaker 1: It really does help us grow the podcast in what

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Speaker 1: has been a fantastic first season. Not yet done, but

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Speaker 1: we're right around there. And that was the last home

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Speaker 1: game of the season, which both me and James rat

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Speaker 1: So James, after a few BEVs, after some good food,

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Speaker 1: after some good times, how are we feeling?

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling good, man, because we went to these last

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Speaker 2: two games for our listeners at home. We back to

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Speaker 2: well live it up, is so all we have. I

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Speaker 2: I kind of have for some reason, No, not warranted

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't expect to be a positive spin today.

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Speaker 2: Definitely in totality, it's still a travesty, and no one

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Speaker 1: But I mean, we were in first place for the

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Speaker 1: most days in Major League Baseball history to then finish

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Speaker 2: Only the Mets. But still just the way today went,

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Speaker 1: We treated ourselves last game of the year, seventy dollars

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Speaker 2: And we also got a bunch of food, we were

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Speaker 1: And what was really cool too, was the Mets played

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Speaker 2: Twelve or thirteen, I don't even remember. It's all a

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Speaker 2: Thirty teams in baseball could use rich Hill on the roster.

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Speaker 1: There's a really underrated pickup that I feel like the

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Speaker 2: No, he could have been a legitimate difference maker the

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Speaker 2: this Richell's not just going out there and throwing innings

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Speaker 1: And of course the big story though outside of Rich

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Speaker 2: Little too much, a little too much Dick.

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Speaker 1: a lot of Penis jokes there, Dick ball and okay, anyway,

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing we're playing for this weekend. We

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Speaker 2: Until that Grand Slam two was just a great little

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. He's a homegrown kid. He had showed

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Speaker 1: Core Kinfordo was a part of that corps. Those are

432
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Speaker 1: two guys that might not be here next year. I mean,

433
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of pieces that seem like they're gonna

434
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Speaker 1: be moving. Hopefully we get the right executive to lead

435
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Speaker 1: us in those right in that right direction. It's just

436
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Speaker 1: it's it's bittersweet. I hate to keep saying it, but

437
00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,520
Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's not the way we wanted

438
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Speaker 1: it to end.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not. We're also assuming that Andy MARTINU knows anything,

440
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Speaker 2: which i'd possibly say that.

441
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Speaker 1: He is about as ice cold. He's as cold as

442
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Speaker 1: a cadaver. The dude's got no pulse whatsoever on anything,

443
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Speaker 1: but that kind of I don't want to say accusation,

444
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Speaker 1: but claim feels like you don't just throw that out there.

445
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Speaker 2: I mean he's throwing things out there before.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess what's stopping him? Who really cares?

447
00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,959
Speaker 2: Right, any of my team? He's about as hot as

448
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,600
Speaker 2: Kode Bellancher with long hair. The hitter, the hitter, not

449
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,280
Speaker 2: not the man. He's a man rocket with long hair,

450
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Speaker 2: but a hitting as well as he can with long hair.

451
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Speaker 1: Yes, in this game we also got hobby buyers keeping

452
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Speaker 1: that streak alive with the hit by pitch. Didn't didn't

453
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Speaker 1: really play particularly well, but hey, no, hobby Bye is

454
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Speaker 1: getting on base is fascinating.

455
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Speaker 2: Is fascinating. This entire two months of a hobby bye

456
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Speaker 2: is fascinating. And I don't really again want to talk

457
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Speaker 2: about it at length because we're going to talk about

458
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Speaker 2: it length and probably bout the week when we do

459
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Speaker 2: our report guards and offseason predictions. So we should just

460
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Speaker 2: we should just hang out with that. This was a

461
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Speaker 2: great game, good happy feelings. James McCann even got an

462
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Speaker 2: extra base hit, which is like, what the fuck is

463
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Speaker 2: going on there?

464
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he can hit the ball out

465
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Speaker 1: of the park, but he did get a double.

466
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Speaker 2: He did, he did a double. He's gonna try and

467
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Speaker 2: get that war up above zero point zero to end

468
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Speaker 2: the year. But it's good, warm, fuzzy feelings after this game,

469
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Speaker 2: so we should just talk about the first three games

470
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Speaker 2: and just break down what we found interesting before we

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Speaker 2: you know, right off into the sunset.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so game one we had the double header because

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Speaker 1: it's the Met's twenty twenty one season. We got to

474
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Speaker 1: have double headers and should be the last one of

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Speaker 1: the season. Please we can't have another one.

476
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Speaker 2: If some of the game in Atlantic gets rained out,

477
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Speaker 2: just please let us skip it. Because the Double Heathers

478
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Speaker 2: have been the biggest, one of the biggest storylines of

479
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Speaker 2: this entire Mets season. We have played in fourteen of them.

480
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Speaker 1: That's so many. So that's twenty eight games.

481
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Speaker 2: Twenty eight games of seven innings, So that means that

482
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Speaker 2: the Mets have lost two times twenty The Mets have

483
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Speaker 2: lost basically fifty six innings of baseball this year. Could

484
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Speaker 2: you imagine where a pitcher would be if we had

485
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Speaker 2: to play this goes fifty six innings we got.

486
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Speaker 1: This was a blessing in disguise that we got these

487
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Speaker 1: things wiped away.

488
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Speaker 2: It really was a blessing because the Mets generally played

489
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Speaker 2: super well in these Double heathers. Like I really went

490
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Speaker 2: through schedule and found some big double heather facts. First

491
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Speaker 2: of all, again, we played in fourteen of those, most

492
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Speaker 2: in baseball this year by a good margin. This was

493
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Speaker 2: the most of any team has played in baseball since

494
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, where the Mets played in nineteen double heathers.

495
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Speaker 2: Which is really funny shot stat. Shout out Dshathosar for

496
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Speaker 2: that Twitter few days ago. The record for double heathers.

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Speaker 2: By the way, give me a number. Guess thirty two

498
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Speaker 2: forty four.

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Speaker 1: That's so many. That's eighty eight games.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen forty three.

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Speaker 1: The White Sox they played half of their games as

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Speaker 1: doubleheaders in a season.

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Speaker 2: Theoretically, yes, I even know. If they're playing one sixty two,

504
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 2: then that's crazy.

505
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Speaker 1: That's so many games.

506
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Speaker 2: Here's another fun double header stat. Guess the record for

507
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Speaker 2: consecutive double headers. This one shook me to my core

508
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Speaker 2: in row.

509
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Speaker 1: Yes, like Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, that kind of thing.

510
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Speaker 2: It wasn't every day, but consecutive game days that were

511
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Speaker 2: double headers.

512
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Speaker 1: Three nine, eighteen games in nine or ten days.

513
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Speaker 2: That it was eighteen games in twelve days. By the

514
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Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight Boston Braves.

515
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Speaker 1: Okay, those they had other jobs. They were barely baseball

516
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Speaker 1: players back then. Stand by that.

517
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Speaker 2: They had to get the season over with because they

518
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Speaker 2: had to go back to the mines.

519
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Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's so many games.

520
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Speaker 2: Another crazy double Heather stat this year for the Mets

521
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Speaker 2: is that Marcus Stroman pitched in eight of them.

522
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Speaker 1: That's unbelievable, especially because he's like gotten a good chunk

523
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Speaker 1: of innings this year too. And like, I don't know,

524
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Speaker 1: we spoke about it earlier, Stroman, like average inning or

525
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Speaker 1: like average outing length has been skewed this year because

526
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Speaker 1: of how many double headers he started in. Like, yeah,

527
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Speaker 1: he maybe only goes four in a double header, but

528
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Speaker 1: that's like six or seven in a normal game.

529
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Speaker 2: Definitely most of the time it was even five. And

530
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Speaker 2: that probably also skews some of his win totals. And

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Speaker 2: it is a decent chunk, but I think it means

532
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Speaker 2: something that the Mets were like so steadfast about getting

533
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Speaker 2: him on the mount for these seven inning games, because

534
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Speaker 2: he's a guy who you know, could very very consistently

535
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Speaker 2: give you five or six innings, which would basically take

536
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Speaker 2: you to seven or eighth if you're playing a nine

537
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Speaker 2: inning game, and just to break these down even more.

538
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Speaker 2: We played ten double headers in the first half of

539
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Speaker 2: four in the second. Get fourteen double headers on the season,

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Speaker 2: and remember that one week we had three.

541
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Speaker 1: Of them in one week, Psycho.

542
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Speaker 2: We're taking it the whole season end is right there.

543
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Speaker 2: And somehow Mets played two double headers against the Rockies

544
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Speaker 2: this year.

545
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Speaker 1: Fucking Colorado.

546
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Speaker 2: That game where they came in the private jet and

547
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Speaker 2: Kevin Pillar asked if they were in Lambeau. That was

548
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: funny a long time ago.

549
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Speaker 1: And when the Mets were winning and having fun in April.

550
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Speaker 2: But overall, in these fourteen double heathers, twenty eight games,

551
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Speaker 2: we went eighteen and ten.

552
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Speaker 1: It's a really good record.

553
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were not swept in any of those double

554
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Speaker 2: heathers either, and we swept them four separate times.

555
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Speaker 1: It's like weird to say, I'm not I'm not surprised,

556
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Speaker 1: but I'm like a little like, ah, I guess it

557
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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because, like you said, ten in the

558
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Speaker 1: first half. You know what the Mets are doing in

559
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Speaker 1: the first half, sitting in first place.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sit in first place. And the end out of

561
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Speaker 2: those fourteen double heathers, we won the first game eleven times. Wow, eleven.

562
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Speaker 1: At the fourteen we won game one, well, we got

563
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Speaker 1: a punt game two, that's why.

564
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Speaker 2: No, of course, yeah, we're not all again, we only

565
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Speaker 2: swept four of those eleven, so seven times we split

566
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Speaker 2: double Heathers.

567
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Speaker 1: The Louis Rojas pun punned on third.

568
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Speaker 2: Down, yeah, and a can of that. But again, even

569
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Speaker 2: the three games we lost game one, we always won

570
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Speaker 2: game two.

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Speaker 1: No sweep is It's nice. That's some positive spins on

572
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Speaker 1: the New York met season, But.

573
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Speaker 2: Like, compared to the way the rest of the season went.

574
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Speaker 2: If we think go eighteen ten and double heathers like

575
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

576
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Speaker 1: Eight games above five hundred, and we're currently like six below,

577
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Speaker 1: oh my god, it could be real miserable. I think

578
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: six below, but sure, oh yeah, and then I guess

579
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Speaker 1: back to the game here. It was just nice to

580
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Speaker 1: see Nimo Lindor getting it started early. Nimo got the triple,

581
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Speaker 1: Lindor scored them early with the single something. I think

582
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Speaker 1: that a lot of Mets fans are gonna be getting

583
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Speaker 1: very used to Lindor and Nimo at the top of

584
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: the order creating runs when they're both on. It's hard

585
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Speaker 1: to not like it's very much reminiscent of like the

586
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Speaker 1: Rays days. Nimo gets on base better than Reyes, that's

587
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. It doesn't steal the base like Rays,

588
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Speaker 1: but he gets on base more than him. And then

589
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: Nimo in the two hole. I mean, we were happy

590
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Speaker 1: when Paul Laduka is hitting two. We actually have a

591
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Speaker 1: guy who can hit a home run. Read Lindor too,

592
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Speaker 1: like we're gonna score runs. This team's gonna be okay

593
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: with those two at.

594
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Speaker 2: The top, especially two guys at the top of the

595
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Speaker 2: order who are both gonna be walking like fifteen percent

596
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Speaker 2: of the time for the foreseeable future. It's funny that

597
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Speaker 2: you made that true, that comparison between Nimo and Reyes,

598
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: because those are by far the two best met leadoff

599
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: hitters of our lifetime. And I couldn't even possibly describe

600
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: two different types of ball players, like two more different ballplayers,

601
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 2: so different, two more different types of people, two more

602
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Speaker 2: different types of upper Yeah, Cheyenne Wyoming versus the Dominican.

603
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Speaker 1: Republico de Macori.

604
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Speaker 2: You can't even make that up. Jose Rays right now

605
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: has a rap career going on. I bet you brand

606
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: Nemo gives a shot, a full career, a shot after

607
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Speaker 2: this is all said and done.

608
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, completely different players, but like they both have

609
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Speaker 1: immense value at the top of the order. And when

610
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Speaker 1: the Mets were playing well in those years, Reyes was

611
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Speaker 1: leading them. And as you've seen, like with this offense,

612
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Speaker 1: a lot of times it kind of does go through

613
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Speaker 1: Nemo as much as like there have been streaks where

614
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Speaker 1: he's been on and we haven't scored runs, but he

615
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Speaker 1: gives us an opportunity every single game to get runs

616
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Speaker 1: real quickly.

617
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Speaker 2: Whatever you can say about the guy, he gets on

618
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: base the pether Brand quote from Moneyball, He gets on

619
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Speaker 2: base no matter what else happens. I think one of

620
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Speaker 2: the most fun highlights from this game was when Marcus

621
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Speaker 2: Stroman came up to bat in the second inning. So

622
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Speaker 2: usually when the pitcher is coming up to bat in

623
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Speaker 2: an inning with two outs. Again, this was the last

624
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Speaker 2: this is the last batch of pitchers taking at bass

625
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Speaker 2: the city fields. You know, I was really taking it

626
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Speaker 2: and enjoying all of it. You're not going to expect much.

627
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Speaker 2: But Marcus Stroman hit the ground ball and I think

628
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Speaker 2: there was a throwing ever made by I want to

629
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: say it was third baseman, was I can't.

630
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Speaker 1: I don't remember that feels like a month ago.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember it. But sitting on first base, Marcus

632
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: Stroman takes off, runs a second, steals the bag, throws high,

633
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: Marcus Stroman gets up, looks around, gets a third in

634
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Speaker 2: the error. So all of a sudden, Marcus Stroman is

635
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Speaker 2: on third base with two outs. Nimo, I think popped

636
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: up to end the inning. But it was fun to

637
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: see a pitcher really really getting down dirty for probably

638
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: one of the last times trying to make something happen

639
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: in the bass paths.

640
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not gonna be seeing guys running the bases,

641
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: let alone swinging bats anymore, probably in basement after this year.

642
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: So death the death is the old time pitcher death

643
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Speaker 2: of the ball player.

644
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Speaker 1: It's great. I love it. Bullshit and on the mound,

645
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Speaker 1: I mean he was he was good. He was fine.

646
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Speaker 2: He was fine. I mean definitely wasn't one of the

647
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: sharpest starts. He only endes getting four whiffs on the

648
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: whole game and gave up a few runs of the Marlins,

649
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Speaker 2: which is a few too many. His Slitherer and Color

650
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Speaker 2: actually got no whiffs, which was kind of concerning. Of course,

651
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: his four seamer got one, because four seemer is always

652
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: good for exactly one wifth no more than less, even

653
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: though he only threw it six times. But he did

654
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: his job. He's probably going to wind up this weekend.

655
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: Is the only pitcher in baseball with thirty four starts,

656
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: which is a massive accolade. I'm very happy for Marcus.

657
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: I think we just gotta sign this man. I think

658
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: it was also cool that Marcus Stroman, who is incredibly

659
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: active on Twitter, more active than even the average person

660
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: or even the average influencer, especially recently, yeah, especially over

661
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks here wherever reason that may be,

662
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: he gave a shout out and actually gave tickets two

663
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: prominent members of Mets Twitter. Tim Ryder, who we've shouted

664
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: out a couple times on here, and Matthew Brownstein, a

665
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: really good guy who works for a New York Times

666
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: and he does work for Mets. Ameriz always has some

667
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: good stats to go pictures up. Those are probably two

668
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: of the most positive voices on Mets Twitter. So if

669
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 2: anyone out there needs a break from negativity. Even though

670
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: we are pretty positive, we're generally positive, we're like seventy

671
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: percent positive. Those guys are like ninety nine point nine

672
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: percent positive. Stroman brought him to the game in his seats,

673
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: gave Tim Ryder a game used pair of signed cleats

674
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: to give his daughter with a title simply Amazon on it,

675
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: which his name of his podcast. It was a class

676
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: act from Stroman getting the back of two guys who

677
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: again are just unbelievably positive.

678
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: On regulars have very much had his back all season

679
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: and what like. There is a weird group of Mets

680
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: fans who just doesn't like Stroman, and I don't understand

681
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: how that's possible.

682
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: I mean, half of them are probably a little bit racist.

683
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like I don't like to

684
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: accuse anybody.

685
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: But like he's accusing any I'm saying it's a good picture.

686
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: Undoubtedly he's a good picture. So there's like there's really

687
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: no negatives to take. I don't get it.

688
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: Especially Marcus Stroman is so damn reliable, no matter what

689
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: you could say. Every five days he takes the ball

690
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: and he's excited to do it. That's stat we say

691
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: all the time. He has the most outings this year

692
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: of giving up two eur in runs or less, it

693
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: was Tyras Scherzer and I think Goussman. Yeah, no, matter

694
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: why he's in the top two and mix with those

695
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: three other guys who are in basically sy young contention.

696
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: The guy's just good. He's just a really good picture.

697
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing. He seems to be getting

698
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: better with age. Talented guy, cerebral, smart, witty, athletic, great,

699
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: great guy that having the clubhouse.

700
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: I would love to see him in the clubhouse for

701
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: another three four years with the Mets. I think this

702
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: got to be his home for the future.

703
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: I think so too, I think there's no reason not

704
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: to be. Then Lindoor hit a home run in the

705
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: sixth inning to basically put this game away, and Diaz

706
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: got to save Cool. That's one of the double header.

707
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: Game happy days. We don't lose, we don't get swept

708
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: in double headers. We don't do it.

709
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: No, it won't happen.

710
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: Now, Game two, does someone start off interesting? Because we

711
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: got the return of Thor and he brought his hammer.

712
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean, he only threw fastballs and change ups,

713
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: but you know, he looked about as good as you

714
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: could be for a guy who threw ten pitches and

715
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: only fastballs and change ups, like he was pretty much

716
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: in control.

717
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: Definitely, And he sat in ninety six, which is something

718
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: that I was kind of worried about his velocity coming

719
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: into this. I know think he only also knew it

720
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: was ten pitches, so he just let it all hang

721
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: out there. And there's a guy who used to sit

722
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: like ninety eight over six or seven innings. So ninety

723
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: six is good, not great in the situation, but sure,

724
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was nice to see him out there.

725
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 2: It was good the energy that he brought to the ballpark.

726
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: We haven't seen no Cinderguard pitch a meaningful game since

727
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: two years, six months before the coronavirus pandemic was even

728
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: a thing on anybody's radar, which just feels like a

729
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: lifetime ago. I don't know, man, I like no Cinderguard.

730
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: I think that Noah Cinderguard is really shaping up to

731
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: be a guy that is going to have a true

732
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: renaissance in his thirties. I would love for him to

733
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: be a Met for the duration of that.

734
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: And of course, a big question with Cinderguard, along with

735
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: his health, is he's a free agent at this at

736
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: the end of the season, so what is his future playing?

737
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Is he a part of the Mets future? No Cinderguard

738
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: gave his opinion on it. Anthony Dicomo got this quote

739
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: from him No Cindergard on potentially returning to the Mets.

740
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm fairly confident that will reach an agreement and I'll

741
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: be pitching here next year. To me, sounds like a

742
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: guy who's like qualifying offer. I'm taking it, maybe even

743
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: like a two year deal at a discounted rate, just

744
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: to get that, you know, insurance that he's gonna have

745
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: a job for a couple of years. I'm all in.

746
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. There's if there's guys to take

747
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: risks on, I'm happy to take a risk on a

748
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: guy who's six foot twelve and throws ninety eight miles

749
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: an hour, and it has shown elite stuff at the

750
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: major league level before.

751
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: And you're not gonna find a picture at cost who

752
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: has the potential No Cinderguard does. You're just not possibly.

753
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: Carlos Rodain, I guess. Kevin Gassman, I guess, But I

754
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: would still probably in a vacuum, take a fully healthy

755
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: No Cindergard over either of those guys. Robbie Ray, like

756
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: you think, really think Robby Ray is gonna be better

757
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: than No Cindergard. The next five years. I just can't

758
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: buy that.

759
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: And he's gonna be those are gonna be hot arms too,

760
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be. People are gonna be bidding for

761
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: those guys. I don't want to get into bidding war

762
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: for those guys. I just don't know.

763
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: Give me out, Give me Alex Cob two years, thirty

764
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: Million's all I want that.

765
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: You love Alex Cobb.

766
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: I love Alex Cob. I can't wait for that guy

767
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 2: that win eighteen games next year.

768
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: As a met we love Cindergard. Hope he's back in

769
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: the Orange and blue. It's cool to see him get

770
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: out there. At least one time this year.

771
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: It felt it felt good again. We're gonna use this

772
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: word a lot. This was a bittersweet moment because the

773
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: crowd was electric. He was pumping the fastball. He was

774
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: just jacked up. He had the effortless delivery, and you're like,

775
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: it could have been so much different if we had

776
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: something like this all year.

777
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: If we had a little juice. No juice.

778
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: He is a guy with juice. We talk about lack

779
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: of juice. No one Senderguard has juice.

780
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: You have thrown a ninety nine mile an hour fastball

781
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: right by the guy's head in the first pitch of

782
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: a World Series game.

783
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: That's juice, Alex said, he's es Cabar.

784
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking rat.

785
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: God damn it.

786
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: Anyway, enough of thinking about the bad Time Series. Continue

787
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: to talk about this game. Trevor Williams turned into like

788
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: a really serviceable guy that his role like it's if

789
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: you're giving me him or gerond Eykov. Oh my god,

790
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: Trevor Williams all friggin day.

791
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: He looked great. Honestly, this was the second time he's

792
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: done this to the Marlins this month. I remember that

793
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: actually I think it was still August, but that Labor Day,

794
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: pre Labor Day week. He had another book at the

795
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: second game of a double Heather Bulk appearance against the Marlins,

796
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: where he just looked great. Hay Susanchez got a big

797
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: home run off him, but besides that, got thirteen whiffs

798
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: on thirty three swings, which is thirty nine percent to

799
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: change up, had five on nine swings, And it's cool.

800
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: This is a guy who's generally reliable, who had an

801
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: option this year and he's gonna have him again next year.

802
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

803
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: He just he just looks like he's gonna be a

804
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: pretty valuable piece of the forty man roster. He's three

805
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: options left. That's crazy, no way, Fangraft says, And I'm

806
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: sure that doesn't include this year. That still gives him two.

807
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: That makes all to me. That kind of makes it

808
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: make way more sense that he Yeah, this was the

809
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: pre twenty twenty one season number season number of waiver

810
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: options remaining. That's awesome. That kind of makes that trade

811
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: make way more sense to the dead, taking him over

812
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: Zach Davies because you can shovel him next year between

813
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: New York and Syracuse. He can give you back innings.

814
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: He could start if you need him, could pitture on

815
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: a leaf if you need him. And while again he's

816
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: not very good, if he could pitch against the Marlins

817
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: and he could just get those innings when we need them.

818
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's valuable, something we need, especially because I

819
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: think we're gonna lose a couple guys with options that

820
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be able to be shoveled up and down,

821
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: specifically next year, like Coriols Walts. When I think of

822
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: he's gotta be out of options, Corio's Waltz. So not

823
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: that we care, no, just better though, even like that's

824
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: that's I think what we're trying to lead to is like,

825
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: while he isn't an ace, he shouldn't be in our rotation,

826
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: the fact that we can stash him instead of some

827
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: of the other guys is really nice.

828
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: No, and I definitely we all know the corios Walt

829
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: is gonna be in the Marriagers next year and make

830
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: thirty starts and have a three point seven ERA and

831
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: probably pitching a playoff game, because that's just what happens

832
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: when the Mets get rid of guys, they go with

833
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: the Mariners and they get good.

834
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: Unreal that Chris Flexen is gonna start a freaking wild

835
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: card game for that team.

836
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: I think it's still gonna be Logan Gilbert, but we'll say.

837
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: And then Trevor Rodgers is. I mean, he's good, He's

838
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: really good, and he's just really cementing himself as the

839
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: Mets are never gonna hit me in my lifetime and camp, oh.

840
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: Not many people are. He's a fantastic pitcher.

841
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: He's really really good, and he had a rough season two.

842
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: A lot of personal stuff going on with his parents

843
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: and his grandparents, like both of his grandpa's died within

844
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: like a week of each other and he wasn't there

845
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: mentally stuff with the COVID going on. It's good to

846
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: see a nice young player like this kind of get

847
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: back into the swing of things and show that great

848
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: talent he has, even if he is on the Marlins.

849
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Like we're Mets fans here, but we do also appreciate

850
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: good baseball, of.

851
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: Course, especially good pitching. He's a fantastic pitcher from the

852
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: left side. He's unique, he's talented, and I like to

853
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: see him succeed. And then this game went to extras

854
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: because the Mets can't score off Trevor Rodgers and the

855
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Marlins can't score of Trevor Williams. Brat Hand somehow, as

856
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: we got into the ninth inning because the eighth, no

857
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: one could score because again this is still the Mets,

858
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: the rest of Marlins in September. Somehow he pitched a

859
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: clean ninth And I'm really really starting to think that

860
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: we might see brad Hand in twenty twenty two, which

861
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: just sends a shiver down my spine.

862
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: Was it your dad when we were out the game

863
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: yesterday who said, oh, brad Hand is gonna be on

864
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: this team, And that is again one of our worst nightmares.

865
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: I might boycott some games here, but it's the stat

866
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: that came up on the screen today at City Field

867
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: about like his last six appearances as he alre is

868
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: like one point eight nine. I hate it. I hate

869
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: it so much because it's just it's fake. It's a lie.

870
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: It's fake. It's a lie. And also you don't give

871
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: it up two hits in those six appearances. But it's

872
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: not sample size you can really use to judge a

873
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: player's talent. But I'm just very worried that he gets

874
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: the he gets the roster spot next year. It was

875
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: occupied by Loop this year. Where you take a shot

876
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: on a soft tossing lefty who you know has a

877
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: little bit of stuff and you can probably tinker with

878
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: and that that again scares the piss out of me.

879
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: But we're gonna cross that bridge when we get to it.

880
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll worry about that when Bradhann officially resigns.

881
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: And then the way we won this game is just

882
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: wonderful because James McCann crushed it absolutely seed just past

883
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: the pitchers mound or just before the pitcher's mound, just

884
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: passed the pitcher who couldn't get a glove on it.

885
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: And the Mets win because the Marlins are really bad,

886
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: that's why.

887
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: And Hobby's a lunatic and just broke just went home.

888
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: He was like, listen, James McCanns up, I gotta try

889
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: anything like this guy is not gonna be able to

890
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: win it by hitting the ball to the outfield. I

891
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: gotta be able to be sneaky.

892
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: And that's what Hobby does. That's why it's a fun

893
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: player to have in the team.

894
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, swept another doubleheader, which is cool. Two wins,

895
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Mets feeling good. Kind of stinks because like the draft

896
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: pick situation and we're just gonna lose a nice pick here,

897
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: which stinks, but hey, whatever, passed it. It's over it.

898
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: Game three, now, me and you another game. We went

899
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: with our dads. That was the first game that we

900
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: got both mister and mister or mister Ciano and mister

901
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Luino out to the game with each other along with us.

902
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: Had a nice night. We got some nice sandwiches from

903
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: what sou Christ and Charlie's. I believe it's cooled.

904
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 2: South Christ and Charlie shout out South Christ and Charlie's

905
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: best sandwich in Thestoria.

906
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: Out in Astoria they got the bomb. I'm a Glizzi man,

907
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: I get the hot dogs. So I hate that and

908
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: I had a great time. But as well as the

909
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: night was, the Mets performance, at least offensively, was not.

910
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: This was the microcosm for the Mets season. If you

911
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: want to point to any game that the Mets have

912
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: played this year, and I'm sure it's gonna be many,

913
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna do some. We're gonna look back at some

914
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: of the more fun games in a few weeks here,

915
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: but this was the one that really symbolized the Mets.

916
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: In the game where they had eight or nine hits,

917
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: Taiwan Walker pitched a great game and they could only

918
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: muster two runs and they allowed one little, tiny mini

919
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: rally by the opposing team to completely break them. This

920
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: that was it. It's happened over and over again this season.

921
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: Happened again on Wednesday night.

922
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: Worth noting, We've been to a lot of Taiwan starts

923
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: this year, and he has had his best start every

924
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: time we're there. So Taiwan, if you're listening, if anyone

925
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: knows Taiwan, get him in contact with the Mets. Stuff boys,

926
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: We'd love to come to all your starts. Next year,

927
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: just throwing that out there.

928
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: This was literally the seventh time I saw Taiwan Walker

929
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: pitch this year, and there was never a bad one.

930
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: And I think I've also, like not the same games,

931
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: but I've also seen Taiwan pitch like seven times, because

932
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: there's some games that I've been to that you weren't

933
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: at that Taiwan was also.

934
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: On the mound for definitely me too, and a lot

935
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: that we were at together. Yes, yeah, it's always been good.

936
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: This was the first start of the second half that

937
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: Taiwan actually featured his two seamer first time really, I

938
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: think it was June twenty eighth that he threw the

939
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: more two seamers than any other pitch in this repertoire.

940
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: And it was fine. It got along with we got

941
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: a lot of called strikes, which is a real callback

942
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: a little nostalgia back to the first half when things

943
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: were fun. Twenty eight percent of CSW rate and just overall,

944
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: he had a very even mix of two seem four seams,

945
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: slider and split, the mixing a few curves through five

946
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: pitches like a requisite amount to the point where he

947
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: was able to get a lot of soft contact and

948
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: he was relatively effective against a Marlins lineup that leaves

949
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: a lot to be desired. He still only got five

950
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: strikeouts and three walks, which is not the type of

951
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: ratio you would like to see from a guy who

952
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: pitches into the eighth inning. But sure, dude, just we

953
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: gave him a nice standing ovation. It was fine. He also,

954
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: the craziest thing of the whole night, set the all

955
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: time Mets record for starts in a season allowing two

956
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 2: hits or fewer.

957
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: And we were talking about with our dads of like,

958
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: how is this even possible? And we've came to the

959
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: realization that Tom sever doc Goodin, even Jacob de Gram,

960
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: those guys go almost too far into games where like

961
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: a two hitter is a really hard thing to do

962
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: eight or nine in ings into the game, but he

963
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: pitched five or six innings. It's a little easier when

964
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: you don't have that many batters to face. And that's

965
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: just kind of the weird luck that Taiwan's come into

966
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: with like getting this record that is arbitrary for all,

967
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, intensive purposes, but still kind of nuts.

968
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, still being the record books for it. And I

969
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: think that's just the nature of Taiwan. We have to

970
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: accept that going into next year. Sure, he flashed some

971
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: incredible talent in the first half of the season, but

972
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: this just isn't a guy who's a two three in rotation.

973
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: He's a four or five, and that's really okay. You

974
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: need four fives. The two threes feel much better because

975
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: you have the four fives as long as he's going

976
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: out there next year and we didn't make his arm

977
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: fall off because you overpitched this season, and he can

978
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: give us one hundred and four the one hundred and

979
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: fifty quality innings of high three and low four ERA

980
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: with like a twenty two percent k rate. There's a guy.

981
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: He's gonna be worth a ten million dollars price tag

982
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: he has.

983
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you remember what the rotation was supposed to be,

984
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: Like Degron was supposed to be pitching, Carrasco was supposed

985
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: to be pitching more, Cindergar was supposed to get in there,

986
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: and Stromann Taiwan realistically could be the number five. Those

987
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: are four guys who were very much ahead of Taiwan

988
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: Walker on the depth chart to start the year. And

989
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: he just like he did pick up a lot of

990
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: the weight, a lot of the you know, help that

991
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: we needed. While he didn't perform that great down the

992
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: stretch coming off of the injury and the amount of

993
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: pitches that he's thrown in the past years, the dude

994
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: is a workhorse and he has had some great starts

995
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: for this year. So super excited to see Taiwan next year.

996
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: And he's a bulldog. We say it over and over again.

997
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: He's a great attitude. He wants to have the ball

998
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: in his hands. He wants to be on the mound

999
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: the big moment. And while there weren't that many big

1000
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: moments this year because the team did fall apart, I

1001
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: just like the drive and the energy and the desire,

1002
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: and he seems to be a great influence to the clubhouse.

1003
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: Everyone seems to like him. Him a Stroman seems to

1004
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: become very good friends very quickly. It's a good guy

1005
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: to have around and this would have been a much

1006
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: better start looking back, but the offense just didn't do shit.

1007
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: Didn't do shit. Eliezer Hernandos on the mound, he consistently

1008
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: gives the Mets fits. He threw basically fifty percent sliders,

1009
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: and he has that really weird slider that's like kind

1010
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: of slow and doesn't move a ton, but still for

1011
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: some reason unhittable got nine whiffs on seventeen swings, which

1012
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: is more than a fifty percent with rate. It's crazy.

1013
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: We saw an absolute nuke though by Michael Confordo again

1014
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: kind of in his uh, you know, goodbye, I guess

1015
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: to the New York Mets swan song, Yeah, swan song,

1016
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: nuke further timer of the year. I said it the

1017
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: time to you. I was like, that might be the

1018
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: best hit baseball of the Mets all year, and it

1019
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: turns out it very much was.

1020
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was the longest home run of the year

1021
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: before this was a Pete Alonzo home run four hundred

1022
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: fifty three feet back in June. So because for the

1023
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: Blues out by fifteen feet, he hit it up to

1024
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: the Shape bridge. Basically, it was a monster.

1025
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: Dong, monster dong. Good little exclamation point to the end

1026
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: of what could be his Met's career, especially in city field.

1027
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: Hovey Lindor swinging the bat well too. Dom got a double,

1028
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: his thirtieth extra base out on the season, which is

1029
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: just that's an insane sentence. I was thinking maybe thirty

1030
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: home runs in a full year for this guy going

1031
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: into the last few years.

1032
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: I was thinking if he if he got five hundred

1033
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: that bats like, he wounds up happy. He could have

1034
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: had thirty homers and thirty doubles.

1035
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he has thirty extra base hits total. Super

1036
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: disappointing season. Nimo also little double down line or sliced that,

1037
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: whatever it was, because it's braydon Nemo. He just is

1038
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: good and he's gonna do this.

1039
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: Just hits. And then we have to pick this up

1040
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: in the eighth inning, because that's where this game did

1041
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: end up falling apart. Taiwan started the inning. I don't

1042
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: want to say he didn't have much left, but he

1043
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: definitely wasn't his sharpest at this point. He wound up

1044
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: being pulled with first and second nobody out, and Seth

1045
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: Lugo came in and he costs up the two inherited

1046
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: runners an additional one for his own to wind up

1047
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: with the loss on this game. And of all the people,

1048
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: Alex Jackson got the big double on a slide er

1049
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: smoked it off the wall, and Miguel Rowe has said

1050
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: the dinky singles and drive him in and put the

1051
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: violins ahead.

1052
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: And this kind of leads us into what I know

1053
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna go into more depth about now Lugo's season,

1054
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: because it has been a little bit of a rollercoaster.

1055
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: When he's been bad, he's been bad. What he's good,

1056
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: we know he's one of the better relievers in baseball,

1057
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: but there's been a lack of consistency, and whether that's

1058
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: through his injury history or maybe like you've thrown out before,

1059
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: like the idea that he's trying to become a starter,

1060
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: and I think the information you're gonna tell everybody here

1061
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of pushes that, you know, agenda a little bit further.

1062
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: He's just doing something like just a little wrong, and

1063
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: often that's making the difference right now.

1064
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: And that concept is so bizarre to me because the

1065
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: Mets have come out time and time again and reiterated

1066
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: that Seth Lugo's reliever, that's where we feel he's best,

1067
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: and he has seemed to agree with that time and

1068
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: time again. But for some reason, the game plans that

1069
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: the Mets put forth for Seth Lugo don't really lend

1070
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: themselves to being in a reliever and that's you kind

1071
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: of see that because his chase rate and his WIF

1072
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: rate are both the career highs, which I was a

1073
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: little bit shocked about. So it's not really that guy

1074
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: he isn't making he isn't missing bats and making guys

1075
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: swing at bad pitches. It's just really the fact that

1076
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: he's throwing too many fastballs and namely too many sinkers.

1077
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: There's no reason for a guy with the stuff like

1078
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: Seth Lugo to throw basically any sinkers. And he's throwing

1079
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of the time when you tacked it

1080
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: onto as much as he throws his four seemer. That's

1081
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: fifty five percent of his pitches. There's no reason what

1082
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: the curveball of Seth Lugo has that fifty five percent

1083
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: of all of his pitches should be fastballs. And who knows,

1084
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: Maybe that is because the curve ball gives him trouble

1085
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: with the partially torn UCL You never know if that's true.

1086
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: People say velocity puts more straight on the elbow, but

1087
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: maybe Seth Lugo specifically the way he snaps that thing

1088
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 2: off like at very much the twelve sixth angle, maybe

1089
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: that doesn't. Maybe the mess medical staff knows that he

1090
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: can't throw that many curveballs in anything or else it

1091
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 2: could go wrong, which would be crazy if he's pitching

1092
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: tied together like rubber bands like that. But it's a

1093
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: possibility because we are the Mets and there's a guy

1094
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: who had an offseason like cleanup procedure, which is one

1095
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: of my favorite terms in all the fucking sports, like

1096
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: the guy goes under the neils to get cleaned up,

1097
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: Like I just can't believe that for a second at

1098
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: a civilian. But it's just that fucking sinker man, Like,

1099
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: it's the only pitch that in his arsenal he throws

1100
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: more than ten percent of the time that has less

1101
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: than thirty percent with right. And that includes his fastball

1102
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: that has over a forty percent with rate in his

1103
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: fourteenth fastball that has elite ride and fantastic spin, his

1104
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: curveball that we know is one of the best in baseball,

1105
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: and his slider, which we've both picked on a little bit.

1106
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: It got hit hard by Alex Jackson there, but it's

1107
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: generally above average pitch. Not that he needs this many

1108
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: pitches again to be a reliever, but that sink. Twenty

1109
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: five balls have been put in play on that sinker

1110
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: this year, which is not a great sample. You'd like

1111
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: to see fifty or sixty balls and play for an

1112
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: adequate sample for battball events on a single pitch. But

1113
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: it's still getting hit very hard. Here's a hitting almost

1114
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: three hundred against it the xwol, but against his three

1115
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: seventy five. Like if it was me, I would just

1116
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: tell him to throw that pitch all the way out.

1117
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: If seth Logo was a starter and had to work

1118
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: through one hundred pitches and get through six seven innings,

1119
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: then yeah, it's probably worth having that pitch and trying

1120
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: to get some contact at some points in the game

1121
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: to try and keep the line moving. But just like

1122
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 2: the way he commands his breaking ball and how good

1123
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: his four seamer is at missing bats and how perfectly

1124
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: that plays off the curve, I just really can't comprehend

1125
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: the fact that he continues to stay committed to the sinker.

1126
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: You gotta take that sinker. We gotta crumple it up

1127
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: into a ball, throw it right into the garbage can.

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00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: There's no reason for it.

1129
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: Just grabs at Lugo by the collars. They stop throwing

1130
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: the fucking sinker. Man, Just don't do it.

1131
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: Look at the numbers. Do you not understand.

1132
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: Again, my guy? Hefner I guess that end an email

1133
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 1: Hell, listen, the guy's up for I'm sure he's very

1135
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: much about the collaborative process over here. He just wants

1136
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: to make this team better and he has. He's been great.

1137
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: But lugo pitch selection is super weird. And I mean

1138
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: to finish up this game here. Of Game three, the

1139
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: Mets couldn't hit the Marlins bullpen. They got eight or

1140
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: nine hits in the game and score two runs. You

1141
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: just you can't expect to win games when you score

1142
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: two runs. There's not even it doesn't real even fall.

1143
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: And Lugo's shoulders is a fall, the pitcher shoulders. You're

1144
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: trying to pitch a perfect game and that's just.

1145
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: Hard to do, definitely, and it really exacerbates the the

1146
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: lack of production by this offense. When the bullpen could

1147
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: come in and give up a little mini rally like theoretically,

1148
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: the Mets bullpen came into this game, pitched to almost

1149
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: two innings and only gave up one run. You think

1150
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: in a regular day, your starter will go six, your

1151
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: bullpen will pitch seven, eight, nine. Even if a bullpen

1152
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: gives up one run, throwing three innings a night, that's

1153
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: a three point three to three ERA, that'd be a

1154
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: top five bullpen ra in baseball. Like, it all comes

1155
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: down to the bats. I'm honestly kind of happy that

1156
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: we started this with Game four and now we're ending

1157
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: it with Game three, so we could really just hammer

1158
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: home that this has been the problem all year, the

1159
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: fact that the lack of run support has forced our

1160
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: pitching staff to try to be perfect put the pressure

1161
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: on them, and when you're not, it really magnifies the issues.

1162
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: And that is the biggest problem with this team.

1163
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just you can't be a successful team if

1164
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: you're not scoring runs, and the Mets are not doing it.

1165
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Mets have scored six hundred and twenty seven runs on

1166
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: the season through their season thus far. It will probably

1167
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: end around six forty ish, somewhere around that range. Some

1168
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: teams that have scored, you know, relatively similar runs to them.

1169
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: The Marlins have scored about twelve less. That's bad. The

1170
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Marlins have sixty five wins. You've watched them play. They're

1171
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: a bad team. The Cubs have significantly more runs than

1172
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: the Mets, significantly more. The Diamondbacks have more runs than

1173
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: the Mets. The Rockies have more runs than the Mets,

1174
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: the Detroit Tigers, the Kansas City Royals, the last place

1175
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins, the Baltimore Orioles, the Los Angeles Angels, the

1176
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: Seattle Marinders. I mean, there are some real weak offenses

1177
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: that we just named that are having more success than

1178
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: the Mets this year and that just can't continue to happen.

1179
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: And also, if you want to look at more of

1180
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: the rate statistics, not just runs that are scored, things

1181
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: that are more predictive, like barrels, teams like the Tigers,

1182
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: the Indians, the Orioles, these all teams, the Cubs, the Angels,

1183
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: these are all teams of better barrel rates than the

1184
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: Mets on the season. You can't be a winning baseball

1185
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: team when you don't barrow the ball up and hit

1186
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: it hard.

1187
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: And in case you don't know what a barrel is,

1188
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: it's hitting a ball what ninety five miles an hour

1189
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: plus as well as.

1190
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: Ninety five plus in a range of desirable launch angles.

1191
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like basically, line drives is kind of what

1192
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: you're hitt hitting it, hitting it on the nose.

1193
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: Yes it no.

1194
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: Ground balls, You don't get ground balls for barrels does

1195
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: not exist, doesn't happen, and that's why you see guys

1196
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: like Adam Frazier and David Fletcher who have like one

1197
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: or two barrels on the season. It's it's very hard

1198
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: to barrow the ball when you don't hit the ball

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00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: in the.

1200
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: Air or or none in the most sensense, like David Fletcher.

1201
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: We talked about that today.

1202
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, Game three is, like you said, a perfect

1203
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: microcosm for the Mets season. Good pitching. People probably are

1204
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: blaming the pitching for that game, but it really falls

1205
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: on the offense and the lack there of it. The

1206
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: guys who are good continue to be pretty good in

1207
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: this game, but it just wasn't enough. The Mets did

1208
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: not get full production out of that lineup. So we

1209
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: know the bottom of the line specifically has been a

1210
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: black hole all season long, with guys like James McCann,

1211
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: Thomas Nido, I mean, Kevin, Kevin Pollard, the guys getting

1212
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: net pats down there, it's been hard to generate runs,

1213
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: especially when the guys in front of them are getting

1214
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: on base. It's kind of just what happened. Again.

1215
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: We saw Jose Piazza at bat in Game three and

1216
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: it just had me remember that he had a home

1217
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: run this year of Josh Hayter and another long double

1218
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: that should have been a home run off of rold

1219
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: As Chapman. Those little tiny things you remember of the

1220
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: course of the season. It's just how the fuck did

1221
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: that happen?

1222
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: It was a piazza man. The dude owns an elite

1223
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: left handed reliever, that is for sure. And I guess

1224
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: that kind of wraps up here. The last home series

1225
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: of the Mets. We got the Braves coming up for three,

1226
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: the pitching mashups. I know Stroman's gonna pitch one of

1227
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: the games. We're gonna get McGill.

1228
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna get McGill, I believe on Friday Night.

1229
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: I think that's logically how it matches up here. Yeah, McGill,

1230
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: and then we're on track to see Trevor Williams, which

1231
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: I just don't.

1232
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: Think, right, it's gotta be Carrasco, right.

1233
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, ESPs schedules so trash. It'll probably be Carrasco. And

1234
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: then on Sunday we'll probably be Stroman, Trevor Williams might

1235
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: mix in. Are we gonna see another inning from Cindergart

1236
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: was just one and.

1237
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: Done I'm not sure. In my head, I'm under the

1238
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: assumption that he's probably gonna throw one more. I would

1239
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: think before the season ends. I'm sure he probably wants

1240
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: to throw one more. I don't blame the Mets either way.

1241
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean neither, but whatever, the Braves got that division

1242
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: championship out of the way tonight, so we don't have

1243
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: to watch them celebrate.

1244
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have to watch them celebrate. And at

1245
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: least the freaking Phillies don't get it either. That's another

1246
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: big bonus for me, because God, I hate that team.

1247
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: I hate the Braves, but the Phillies are different.

1248
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: And we can get root for pizza forty pet to forty.

1249
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: That's what we're rooting for here. Root for our guys.

1250
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: Hit some milestones on the door, got twenty home runs,

1251
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: want some WRC pluses, to finish above one hundred. We

1252
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: want to end the season strong here so we can

1253
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: go into twenty twenty two with a little better understanding

1254
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: what this team's gonna look like, a little better understanding

1255
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: of what we can expect, and hopefully positive vibes. Because

1256
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: the Mets, we were positive vibes early on, but this team,

1257
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: we hit some weird stretch and this team crumbled, crumbled.

1258
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: But I think things as weird as it sounds, are

1259
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: ending on somewhat of a higher note than we expected.

1260
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: I mean then we expected a week ago, a month ago.

1261
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, the season's a failure, massive failure. Let's not

1262
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: forget that. But like we were down in the dumps,

1263
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: gloom and doom. Like basically I don't even want to

1264
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: watch this team now. Granted, these last thirty games here

1265
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be must watch television, but as you guys know,

1266
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: we always talk about the games here, so we'll still

1267
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: be keeping tabs on everything going on. Absolutely, that's what

1268
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: we're here for, and I think that's honestly where we're

1269
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up here for episode number fifty four

1270
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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. Appreciate you guys listening, Appreciate

1271
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: your following, subscribing, whatever you do really does, you know,

1272
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: go a long way for us. Had a great season

1273
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: thus far. One more series left here of the twenty

1274
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: twenty one season, so make sure you don't miss out.

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Speaker 1: any of the other content that we make here. We

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Speaker 1: both do a lot of stuff all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the amazed support you guys have given us. Almost

1284
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: done with the season here, but even when it does end,

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Speaker 1: we won't be going away. We're gonna be moving to

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Speaker 1: one episode a week, but we'll talk about that more

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Speaker 1: after the Atlanta Braves series and our season wrap up.

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Speaker 1: So thank guys for listening, Thank you for watching, Appreciate

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Speaker 1: the sport, and we'll see you on the last episode

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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty one season, episode number fifty five.

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Speaker 2: Peace Out, guys, Peace out guys, Thanks for listening.