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Speaker 1: where your comes? Yeah? Where are your Cubs be? Writers

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Speaker 1: over at the Athletic uh Patrick World Series starts. I

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Speaker 1: really interesting to see some of the fans that are like,

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Speaker 1: this is the worst World Series. This is what's wrong

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Speaker 1: This doesn't happen in baseball, Like shoey Otani has been

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Speaker 1: But I think this is fun. I think it's you know,

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Speaker 3: You've been to playoff games at Dodgers Stadium, and I

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Speaker 2: But you know, I thought the Diamondbacks were going to

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Speaker 3: You know, that was when I would do when we

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Speaker 1: Right, And and I think that's that's a good point

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Speaker 2: Out on the Athletic today.

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Speaker 3: His prediction fifteen years, six hundred and twenty two million

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Speaker 3: Stam, I'm so glad you mentioned that, because that's exactly

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Speaker 2: But not the same anymore.

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Speaker 3: But I think this gave Rizzo an amazing opportunity. I mean,

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Speaker 2: But we'll see what he does on the biggest stage here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, really, from twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen, he

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Speaker 1: not going deep in this in this postseason, And it's

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Speaker 1: kind of remarkable to watch. Uh, probably the weakest uh

432
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Speaker 1: starting staff the Dodgers have had during this run probably

433
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Speaker 1: to the World Series, and and arguably I don't know

434
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Speaker 1: who who the betting favorite is in this, but you know,

435
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: like look at these names. I mean, who's the biggest

436
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: name in the Dodgers' bullpen? Is it Blake Trinan. Who's

437
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: the biggest name in the in the Yankees bullpen? I

438
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Speaker 1: mean Clay Holmes, Like these aren't like dominant names that

439
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Speaker 1: you think of in bullpens. And those aren't the best

440
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Speaker 1: relievers in the bullpens either. I mean maybe trina is the.

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Speaker 2: You know, the biggest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, oh's disrespecting the show. Uh, he would tell you.

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Speaker 6: Name.

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Speaker 3: He is like Marianna Rivera to point zero, in which

445
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: we say, with all due respect, always a great guy

446
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: to talk to, and part of why he's in this

447
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: position is because he thinks he's awesome and wants to

448
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: like rip the other team's hard out right.

449
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: I mean, just a great, great competitor.

450
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Speaker 3: Sorry to derail it, but I know you're a big

451
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: fan of the Light Show, so I had.

452
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Speaker 1: To get it. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, well, I just

453
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Speaker 1: you know, this is it. This is important to the

454
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Speaker 1: Cubs because we saw two years in a row now

455
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: a bullpen that came together over the course of the season, right,

456
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Speaker 1: but had its hiccups and kept them from getting to

457
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: the postseason. Essentially, they're there. Their down moments were a

458
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: big reason why they didn't get there. What's interesting to

459
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Speaker 1: me is like, what does this tell the Cubs? Like

460
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Speaker 1: what is like? I think for me what it says,

461
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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, absolutely this needs to be addressed. Absolutely,

462
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: you need to do a better job. I don't know,

463
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Speaker 1: like I look at these names and I look at

464
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Speaker 1: who's pitching. I don't think it says spend big money,

465
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: which I have been saying for I'm probably getting annoying

466
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Speaker 1: for fans that want them to spend big in the bullpen,

467
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's the answer. But getting it

468
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: right feels absolutely like a must. It's not like something

469
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Speaker 1: that you can Even if you screw up the bullpen,

470
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Speaker 1: you're not getting to the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. What really struck me was some of the talk

472
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Speaker 3: around the Dodgers and what Dave Roberts has done expertly,

473
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Speaker 3: both at the end of the Padres series and also

474
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Speaker 3: as they were closing out the Mets, of like, how

475
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: are they gonna navigate these bullpen games?

476
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Speaker 2: How do you get to twenty seven outs?

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Speaker 3: And you know, something I've noticed on social medi media

478
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: during the season that I think frustrates fans and rightly so,

479
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: is the sort of like arbitrary endpoint stats of like

480
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: the Cubs bullpen from May tenth to like September twelfth

481
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: has been fourth test in Major League Baseball. But it

482
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: was like terrible at the front end and it wears

483
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Speaker 3: down at the end. I am exaggerating, of course, but

484
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Speaker 3: I thought of it of like, you want to win

485
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Speaker 3: the World Series, you got to play an extra month, right,

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Speaker 3: And do the Cubs have enough to like just get

487
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Speaker 3: into the postseason, Well they have enough to keep going

488
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Speaker 3: for that extra month, and can these guys execute on

489
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Speaker 3: the biggest stages?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you look at some of

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Speaker 3: those leverage numbers the Cubs had this year of like,

493
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Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of blown saves. Maybe is it

494
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: oversimplified or can be misleading at times, but it's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, you look.

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Speaker 6: At you know, a walk off loss in Colorado or whatever,

497
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Speaker 6: and you know in September and like the playoff chances

498
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 6: basically go down to zero of like Cubs.

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Speaker 3: Did not do a great job of like make a pitch, right,

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Speaker 3: Isn't that always kind of what the manager of pitching

501
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 3: say is like make a pitch, make this pitch, And

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Speaker 3: Cubs simply just have not done that enough over these

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Speaker 3: last let's say two years, right, I mean under different managers,

504
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: but just like this sort of like window because it

505
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Speaker 3: was fairly similar.

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Speaker 2: In how things played out.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of similar personnel and like similar expectations

508
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Speaker 3: of I have a couple of things break right, you know,

509
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Speaker 3: maybe we win more.

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Speaker 2: Like eighty six.

511
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Speaker 3: If things go wrong, you know, we win like seventy eight,

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Speaker 3: and they wind up at eighty three both times, And

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Speaker 3: to me, that's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of how I process.

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Speaker 3: Those sort of bullpen games, like, all right, who who

516
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Speaker 3: could the Cups trust that point? And I guess their

517
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Speaker 3: answer will probably be like, you just keep stab backing

518
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: up as many good pictures as possible, right, Like, if

519
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: they go out against starting pitcher this offseason, as we expect,

520
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Speaker 3: you're probably not going to roll out five starting pitchers,

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Speaker 3: right And if you have in the postseason that is,

522
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Speaker 3: And if Craig Counsel's outgetter philosophy and the credibility he

523
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Speaker 3: has with pictures, and if some of these young pitchers

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Speaker 3: stay healthy and get better and you keep throwing more

525
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Speaker 3: minor league deals and waiver claims onto the pile, like

526
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Speaker 3: it could work, right, Because to your point, it's not

527
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: like you if they don't have Marianna Rivera.

528
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Speaker 2: It's not like Gary right at his prime game over phase.

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Speaker 1: Right now, right, And I mean, look, the Yankees are

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Speaker 1: getting by with you know, Clay Holm seems a little

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Speaker 1: rejuvenated after after losing the closers role. Luke Weaver dominant

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Speaker 1: reliever that a year ago I'm pretty sure was god

533
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Speaker 1: awful in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three, he had

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Speaker 1: a no that it's not his Zra Uh. He had

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Speaker 1: a six forty e R. So like god awful. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Tim Hill was on the white side and has a

537
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Speaker 1: one fifty nine ERA.

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Speaker 2: You're not good enough for the worst team of all team? Yeah,

539
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 2: want to go pitch in the World Series?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And this guy like so none of these guys

541
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Speaker 1: are getting like they're they're not you know, Kenley Janssen,

542
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: They're not big name relievers. I think the highest paid

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Speaker 1: guy is, uh in this group is Blake Trinon, who

544
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Speaker 1: has a four year I just looked at this four year,

545
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five million dollar deal. That's not that much.

546
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: Like the years is what would make Jed Hoyer uncomfortable? Right,

547
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Speaker 1: But I mean if you're if you're talking about like

548
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Speaker 1: a little over five million dollars a year, is that

549
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Speaker 1: really or I guess that's six million a year, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's not that's not something that like destroys your and

551
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: destroys your chances to add other free agents. Uh. I

552
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: think it's a I think it's interesting how teams build

553
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: bullpens now. I think when you look at bullpens across

554
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: the game, who's who are the best teams. Michael Kopek

555
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: I believe is under control for another year. Right, and

556
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: they got him for two huge White Sox relievers, like

557
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: or like two White Sox relievers. I don't know, like

558
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: where Evan Phillips came from. I don't know where Alex

559
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: Vessia came from. But these guys are huge parts of

560
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: of their of the Dodgers bullpen. It's like these guys

561
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 1: are like waiver pickups. These guys are small trades that

562
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: nobody notices. There's going to be a move that you

563
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: and I and almost no one among the fan base

564
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: even notices or tweets about or or or there's one

565
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: iota about and and it's going to be make a

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Speaker 1: huge difference for the Cubs bulld Like that's that's the

567
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: reality of how bullpens work. I'm I'm interested to see

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Speaker 1: how they go about it this winter. Uh And and

569
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Speaker 1: that's not in a like how they go about it

570
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: spending money. I think it's a full year now of

571
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Speaker 1: Craig Council in the organization. Right, he was hired almost

572
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: a year ago. Now he there are things that he

573
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Speaker 1: saw in Milwaukee that he has to want to like

574
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Speaker 1: adjust here right what exactly they are. I'm not sure

575
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Speaker 1: if he's going to spill the beans and tell us,

576
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: but there are things that he likes that that from

577
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Speaker 1: Milwaukee that he wants to bring over here. Maybe part

578
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: of that is identifying better relievers. Uh. And and it's

579
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: not that the Cubs have had problems with that, but

580
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Speaker 1: I come back to what Jed said at the end

581
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Speaker 1: of the season, it's on him. Uh. They they kind

582
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: of fell apart there in the middle of the season

583
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: or early on in the season with injuries and ineffectiveness,

584
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Speaker 1: and they didn't have the depth. So how do how

585
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: do they create that depth? What does that mean? I'm

586
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: curious to see what that means in action? Right when

587
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: you don't have the depth. They didn't have the depth.

588
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: Does that mean do they have the depth now? Does

589
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: he believe they have enough depth? And now it's just

590
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: getting more like building it up and getting four guys

591
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: uh you know, uh that compete for spots or or

592
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: are there changes happening? Like what does that exactly mean?

593
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: There there were some really good developments over the course

594
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Speaker 1: of the season. I'm curious how much of it matters

595
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: next year, you know, Like does Jorgel Lopez come back?

596
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: Is uh? Is it Jesus? Tyson Miller? I wanted to

597
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: call him Trevor Miller there for for a moment, like

598
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Speaker 1: can you can you rely on on on Tyson Miller?

599
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Can you rely on Nate Pearson? Are these guys? What

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Speaker 1: what we saw from Tyson Miller over the course of

601
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Speaker 1: the season, what we saw from Nate Pearson at the

602
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: end of the season. Is that real? Or are you

603
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: going to get Like I remember when two years ago

604
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: everyone was counting on Keegan Thompson and he just wasn't

605
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: the same guy. He just wasn't So like that. That's

606
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: the other thing. You may think you have this depth

607
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: and suddenly you don't. How do they identify that? How

608
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: do they determine that?

609
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 6: What?

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00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: What are the things they look at? One thing that

611
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: kept being hammered to me about like someone like Julian Merriweather.

612
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: People were like, oh, Julian Merriweather is hurt. Wow, what

613
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: does his history tell you that he's going to get hurt?

614
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Like going into the season, relying on him is not

615
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Speaker 1: something you can do. Like, it's not that he's ineffective

616
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: when he's healthy, it's that he's rarely healthy. So the

617
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: fact that the Cubs came like and I think that

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Speaker 1: that that's something that sticks in my head. I heard

619
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Speaker 1: that from like four different scouts around the game. They're like, yeah,

620
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: maybe they shouldn't have relied on the guy that always

621
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Speaker 1: gets hurt and then just happened to have a you know,

622
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: a healthy season, like because that's these are things you

623
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Speaker 1: have to consider and so what is what does that mean?

624
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: How do you how do you how do you address

625
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: these issues in the offseason? I guess is I'm not

626
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: sure if we have a clear answer yet, but I'm curious.

627
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: Solving for wins hoday that what mister counsel would say

628
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: or mister Hawkins would say.

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Speaker 2: I think we've talked about Clay Holmes before. Jim Bowden actually.

630
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: Mentioned trying in LinkedIn to the Cubs and his predictions comment.

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Speaker 2: It sounded a little.

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00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 3: Light in terms of the projection two years seventeen million,

633
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: I think the cub.

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00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

635
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: I think the Cubs would probably also look at it

636
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: of like, well, could also hit some more three run

637
00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: homers and not have your bullpen pitch like max for

638
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 3: a high intensity, high leverage.

639
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: That's everything I that.

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00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be like necessarily chasing

641
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: the bullpen, uh or like invest over investing in the bullpen,

642
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: and but it I just don't think they can run

643
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 3: it back the way they did this pastor.

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00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: I think you get, you know.

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Speaker 3: Someone who's better than Hectorannaius, who you think will pitch

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00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: better than Hector Airis obviously, and keep throwing those guys

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Speaker 3: on there. But look, there's there's no area of this team.

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Speaker 3: You're like, Oh, the Cubs are like totally set there

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Speaker 3: right right. Oh, They're like that is totally taken care of.

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Speaker 3: I mean we'll get after the World Series, we'll get

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Speaker 3: some more clarity and Cody Bellinger we've already reported the

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Speaker 3: rotation has to be addressed. That is their plan. The

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Speaker 3: bullpen stuff never and so it'll be fun to kind

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Speaker 3: of watch this World Series and then for us to

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Speaker 3: get after it on our off season coverage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious to see how aggressive they are after

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Speaker 1: last offseason where we I think I literally rode a

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Speaker 1: piece like what are the Cubs doing type of thing

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Speaker 1: because fans were so like losing their minds and nothing

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Speaker 1: had happened, and it's like, all right, let's try and

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Speaker 1: explain their thought process here and what's happening? Will they

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Speaker 1: be more aggressive? Will it? Will they wait out the

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Speaker 1: market again? Will especially with relievers, is this gonna be there?

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Speaker 1: Like maybe that maybe that is the difference, right, instead

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Speaker 1: of waiting to see who falls through the cracks. It's like,

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Speaker 1: we're targeting these four guys and we'll be aggressive with it.

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Speaker 1: And here's our numbers. We're making reasonable but aggressive contract

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Speaker 1: offers to these guys. These are the guys we want. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's the adjustment. We'll see. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see how it goes. I think bullpen

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Speaker 1: will be something we have to pay attention to it.

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Speaker 1: And maybe maybe we should pay attention to those smaller

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Speaker 1: moves too, and and and figure out why they're picking

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Speaker 1: up random reliever X, you know, putting them through waivers

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Speaker 1: six times and yeah, welanc.

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Speaker 2: Him so much we put them on waivers the day

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Speaker 2: after weekly.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Patrick, we'll be back next week with

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Speaker 1: more Cubs talk. Thanks so much for listening. This is

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