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Speaker 5: We've had a couple weeks of results so far, so

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Speaker 5: I just want to kind of get one big takeaway

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Speaker 5: from you guys from the season. Colin, I'll start with you,

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Speaker 5: where do you want to go with this?

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Speaker 4: USC has a defense? Did they shut out this team

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Speaker 2: Spot that you and I thought would kind of be

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Speaker 4: Light work for USC's defense.

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Speaker 2: They are putting up astronomical numbers on the defensive side

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Speaker 5: I agree, yeah, that USC defense might be one of

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Speaker 5: the most improved units in the entire country. The staff

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Speaker 5: top to bottom, huge upgrades. Love some of the guys

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Speaker 1: Right, I guess I should look at the show notes

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Speaker 1: because I have the same thing usc. You know, you

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Speaker 1: look at the rest of the schedule at Michigan does

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Speaker 1: not look as imposing as we thought before the season.

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Speaker 1: They get Penn, stay to home, Nebraska at home, their

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Speaker 1: My preseason number one ranked team has not looked good

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Speaker 1: at all. Dan Lanning told me in the offseason he

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been one of the most disappointing teams results wise.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what forty five point favorites barely beat idoh

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that that leads right into my biggest takeaway.

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Speaker 5: It's at Texas over Oregon. So I said coming into

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Speaker 5: Is Texas back?

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Speaker 2: Texas is absolutely back. Usually college football teams have trouble

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Speaker 2: a problem with the Longhorns. They're not only back, they're

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, you could argue that Texas was back

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Speaker 1: You know, Michigan's gonna end up being an eight win

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Speaker 1: seven win team. They've got no offense. Very impressive win,

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Speaker 5: we'll get the contenders of pretenders. In just a second.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying Texas is back. I think they're they're clear

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Speaker 5: When Texas is back, we were.

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Speaker 4: Not going to have to add advertise it.

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Speaker 5: We're not gonna I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 4: Have to say it.

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Speaker 5: No one's gonna have to proclaim it. The world will know,

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame with a hilarious loss to Northern Illinois. I

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Speaker 5: a bad loss for Marcus Freeman. Is this third bad

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Speaker 5: Northern will is probably ranked twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the first time in about a dozen years

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Speaker 5: So Northern Illinois into the top twenty five with a

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Speaker 5: big win, big weekend for the MAC. In general, Colin,

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Speaker 5: you have Notre Dame to make the college ball playoff?

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Speaker 4: Pick it on that.

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Speaker 5: Your college football playoff bracket is just falling to pieces

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Speaker 4: Correction, I have Georgia in the title, not Organ, but

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Speaker 4: I mean I have Penn stated there too.

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Speaker 2: They almost blew it too, So I mean it's it's

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Speaker 5: So the question is is it time to buy Notre Dame?

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Speaker 5: And I just want to get your thoughts on like

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Speaker 5: So two part question, is it time to buy Notre

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Speaker 5: want to buy futures of Notre Dame now?

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Speaker 5: I fully confident that Marcus Freeman is not gonna have

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Speaker 5: Do I think they're gonna beat USC Also? No, And

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Speaker 5: I think if they go ten and two, you're out.

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Speaker 5: This is too much of a stain. Now, maybe Northern

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Speaker 5: if you're a Notre Dame that fan, that's what you

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Speaker 1: Don't.

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Speaker 5: Let's not that's a possibility, but I think there's potentially

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Speaker 5: Dame is out Colin thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like we haven't been here before.

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Speaker 2: I mean two years ago, Notre Dame lost to Marshall

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Speaker 2: But you know there's other losses that market beat.

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Speaker 5: They almost lost the Cal, they beat Col by.

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Speaker 4: A possession, and and you know, then a lot against

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Speaker 5: No. No, it looked like the team, yeah they were.

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Speaker 4: You just burned that. So it's not a good position.

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame also has two service academies on that schedule.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stuck, I agree with you guys. They got to

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Speaker 1: Like you said, big home favorites. This keeps continually happying.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. The funny thing is Northern Illinois, who beat in

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Speaker 5: I don't think that one hundred total yards of offense

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Speaker 5: That's the height of a beer bottle verst the ground

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Speaker 2: If you look up Thomas Hammick's salary, he just got

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just stunning, stunning when impacted huge impact to the

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Speaker 5: teams SMU Collin, do you have SMU and your coach

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Speaker 2: I know we're just trying to get over seven a

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Speaker 5: All right, Let's get to some contenders versus pretenders.

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Speaker 6: A contender, see here's a contender.

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Speaker 5: So there's been some underwhelming performances by teams that you

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Speaker 5: You say if they're a contender or pretender in terms

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma con No, they're one hundred and thirtieth and passing

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Speaker 1: No, you have to get to the playoffs to get

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Speaker 5: No, something's off with Jackson Arnold. Horrible performance against Houston

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Speaker 2: Colin, No, you have to be inside the top fifteen

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Speaker 1: They may sneak in the playoff, but they don't have

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna say yes, I think that's their ceiling though,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I just think they took a week off.

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Speaker 2: Penn State's offense that they showed against West Virginia is

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Speaker 1: Brett, Yeah, I think it would depend who Penn State

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Speaker 5: We all agree Notre Dame no Oregon, I think we'd

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Speaker 2: No, Connor Weegan running Collin Clin's offense is not going

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Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't be surprised if they lose to Florida,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sadly going to say no as well. I

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Speaker 5: Missouri Colin.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go yes, the schedule is way too soft.

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Speaker 2: They only have to worry about Bama, number one in

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Speaker 1: So Missouri, yes, Rah, they can get passed. Back to

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Speaker 2: They're still making the playoff and that's still and if

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Speaker 5: Yep. I saw that as well. Brett.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no because that would mean if even

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Speaker 1: No, No, it was never a yes, right No, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes you have those games, sometimes you have

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Speaker 5: No excuses, though, Shador Sanders throws his offensive line under

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Speaker 2: Well, I made their win total five point one. We're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do worry about the Colorida State secondary transfer

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Speaker 5: from Navy in there. But their offense can move the

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Speaker 5: ball on off fort and can have a huge day

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Speaker 5: against Colorado. Brett Is Sanders done after this year? And

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Speaker 5: what is the what is your expectation or what should

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Speaker 5: the expectation be at Colorado fans?

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Speaker 1: Stuck, I'm surprised to you think they can get to

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Speaker 1: six wins. I mean going into the season, I think

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Speaker 1: you should have hoped for, like what you should Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what they should hope for. I thought before the season

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Speaker 1: they were a four or five win team and that

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Speaker 1: hasn't changed. It's the same as last year. You know

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Shuder Sanders through his offensive line under the bus. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the offensive line was intercepted at the three in return

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Speaker 1: for a touchdown. I think Dion's not going to be

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Speaker 1: back next year. That's not any inside information. I'm not

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Speaker 1: reporting that as a news report. You ask my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I think if they get to six wins, they get

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Speaker 1: the bowl game. Dion can say, look, I've got the

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Speaker 1: program on solid footing. I want to watch my kids

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Speaker 1: play in the nf file and he leaves if they

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Speaker 1: don't get to six wins, then says whatever he says,

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Speaker 1: and says, I want to watch my kids play in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and he doesn't come back. What to see

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Speaker 1: if my opinions correct or not. But yes, Douck, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's long for the college game. I really don't.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, maybe you'll prove me wrong, but I would

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Speaker 1: say right now that Dion will not be Colorado's coach

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five by his choice.

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Speaker 5: Deon to Florida State. Right Mike Develki's losing.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny though, Like Norvelle literally has a contract

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Speaker 1: offer in his hand from Alabama. They go undefeated, and

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Speaker 1: the injuries happen. Everything happened in audible, and then he

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Speaker 1: starts going too and they're like, you know, we need

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Speaker 1: to start looking somewhere else. That's the craziest rumor I

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Speaker 1: keep hearing. Probably the worst one was at Sorry Cash

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Speaker 1: is Ryan Day on the hot seat? Yeah, so if

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Speaker 1: you lose a game now in college football, you're on

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Speaker 1: the hot seat if you lose two. They're starting to

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Speaker 1: name the hot board replacements for Florida State. I saw

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Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher's name resurface, so maybe he can find his

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Speaker 1: Christmas tree by the curb and come back to Tallahassee.

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Speaker 5: I mean, but what if Florida Steak goes four and

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Speaker 5: eight and it would be the novel would have three

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Speaker 5: losing seasons in five years, Like three losing seasons in

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Speaker 5: five years. They don't get to a bowl this year. Seed,

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Speaker 5: it'll warm up a bit, don't you think.

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Speaker 1: Well, warm's up? Yeah, sure, everybody's seat is warm. But

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Speaker 1: to when people like Charlie was talking on Green Dot Daily,

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Speaker 1: is Dabo on the hot seat, I'm like, are you

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Speaker 1: freaking kidding? Like, hot seat to me means you can

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Speaker 1: be fired at the end of the season. So Norvell

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Speaker 1: is not going to be fired at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 5: The booster's pony up for Dion. You never know, and

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you his seat. That be a mistake, Kirby,

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Speaker 5: one last question, group of five? Who's the best group

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Speaker 5: him on your team. I have been same for two

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Speaker 5: is the best back in the country or I thought

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Speaker 5: we're going to be able to contain him? Went off again?

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Speaker 5: First running back with nine rushing touchdowns over the first

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Speaker 5: two games since Rickey Williams. How about how about that

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Speaker 5: Colin best group of five teams.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go surprising here. I'm gonna stick close to

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Speaker 2: our Action Network power ratings. I make Memphis a half

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Speaker 2: point better than Boise But oh man, did that Memphis

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Speaker 2: number against Florida State open up at four and get

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Speaker 2: slammed all the way up to seven and a half

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Speaker 2: against the Seminoles. So I probably have a different answer,

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Speaker 2: probably be Boise State next week. But as right now,

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Speaker 2: I got Memphis a half point better than the Broncos.

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Speaker 5: The people are dying to know Florida State taking money

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Speaker 5: as a favorite choker? Yeah? Are you going back to

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Speaker 5: the well with Florida State as a favor?

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Speaker 4: No way, I'm touching this team for the rest of

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Speaker 4: the year. Come on, I can't two losses to.

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Speaker 2: Start off all the twitter hate. I'm done with the

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Speaker 2: seminolest best.

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Speaker 5: Group of five team with the high ceiling.

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Speaker 1: Technically, you guys are right. I'm looking at which group

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Speaker 1: five team gets to the playoff. I had Texas State

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Speaker 1: in the preseason. I'm gonna stick with Texas State. They

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Speaker 1: smash utsa, meet Me, Meet Me. Now they get Arizona State,

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Speaker 1: that would be a huge win for them. Obviously, NIU

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Speaker 1: is in the driver's seat right now, especially if they

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Speaker 1: beat NC State. The reason why I didn't pick Boise

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Speaker 1: State and look, I love gent I love Boise State

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Speaker 1: was their schedule. The Oregon game I had as a loss.

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Speaker 1: They still got to play Oregon State in Washington State. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're scheduled. There's more opportunities, but there's still could be

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Speaker 1: more losses. You can only lose so many games and

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Speaker 1: get that Group five bids. So is Boise the best

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Speaker 1: Group five team? Yeah? Probably? Are they going to get

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Speaker 1: to the college football Playoff? I don't think so. I

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Speaker 1: think they'll left too many losses. Somebody else will jump them.

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Speaker 5: Should be an interesting race with the MAC now throwing

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Speaker 5: its hat into the running. We'll talk with Manzell on

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Speaker 5: some various topics that we Colin and I spoke with

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Speaker 5: him about earlier today. At the end of the show,

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Speaker 5: we'll take some of those clips for this episode, but

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Speaker 5: we have a sources. Stumper is back for another year.

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Speaker 5: I have was the champion last year. Did you you

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Speaker 5: never even send me a did you send me a

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Speaker 1: It's price still laying on your front door.

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Speaker 4: Stuck.

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Speaker 5: I'll go check after the show. If no, I want

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Speaker 5: a prize next week? All right, so, sources Stumper. We'll

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Speaker 5: keep track. Each week Bret comes up with a question,

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Speaker 5: take it away.

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Speaker 5: May sound easy, but it will test your head and

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Speaker 5: claim to be No. Thirty six AZ eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned Kirby Smart. Kirby has lost only sixteen

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Speaker 1: games in his career to eleven coaches. Five of those

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Speaker 1: eleven coaches are no longer coaching. Who are this? Six

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Speaker 1: current head coaches that have defeated Kirby Smart and I

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Speaker 1: will give you a hint. Every one of the six

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Speaker 1: coaches is no long coaching at the school where he

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Speaker 1: beat Georgia Stuck. Since you're the reigning chant, fire away.

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Speaker 5: Six current head coaches who have beat Kirby Smart.

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Speaker 1: And they but they are fired at their old job

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Speaker 1: where they beat Kirby.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go back to that Bowl game the sleepy

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Speaker 5: sec Spot, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Tom Herman, that is correct, Tom Hermitt, Florida, Atlantic's Tom

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Speaker 1: Herman is one, Colin.

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Speaker 4: Let's go Hugh Freeze, very good.

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Speaker 1: That's really the only guy that you could maybe say,

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Speaker 1: really isn't a demotion. The rest of them are all

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Speaker 1: demoted big time. Freeze beat Kirby at Ole, Missus Mason

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Speaker 1: the gust bus beat him at Auburn. Now it gets

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Speaker 1: a little tougher, Colin, I can.

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Speaker 4: Only think of the ones that are gone, like Dan Mullen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh, oh oh.

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Speaker 4: Jim mcawayne, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Central Michigan's Jim mccloyane beat Kirby at Florida. We got

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Speaker 1: two coaches left stuck.

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Speaker 5: They have to be head coaches right now.

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Speaker 1: They are current head coaches yep, so can't be muss champs.

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Speaker 1: I think must champion, right, must chant. There's five coaches

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Speaker 1: that are no longer head coaches that are not among

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Speaker 1: the list Will must chant, Paul Johnson, Dan Mullen, coach

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Speaker 1: O and Nick Saban. So we're looking at two more

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Speaker 1: current head coaches that beat Georgia and Kirby at another school.

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Speaker 1: Was fired at that school and it's coaching somewhere else now.

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Speaker 5: Butch Jones.

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Speaker 4: Very nice.

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Speaker 1: Arkansas States. Butch Jones beat Kirby at Tennessee. Colin, you

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Speaker 1: can tie up, tie up week one here they come out.

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Speaker 4: I know it. I know it. I am so confident

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Speaker 4: that I know it. I'm gonna let stuck. You have

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Speaker 4: a guess, he said, I know it. Now you know what?

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Speaker 4: He's on a thirty second clock.

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Speaker 5: I mean I already got my three guesses.

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Speaker 1: But uh, I mean I know it? And uh are

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Speaker 1: you clocking?

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Speaker 5: I don't know why I'm on the clock. I've already done.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know who it is.

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Speaker 2: This is over so and I we're just gonna there's

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Speaker 2: ten seconds left for your clock. And I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: you what where this coach coaches?

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Speaker 4: He coaches?

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Speaker 5: Why am I on the clock? How do you let

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Speaker 5: get on the forks?

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Speaker 4: All right, it's Derek Mason. He's in Conference USA.

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Speaker 1: How's that for a list of coaches that will beat Kirby?

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Speaker 1: He freeze, Tom Herman, Waits, Jones, Guessmells on Derek Mason,

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Speaker 1: Jim mcwoin. We will have a tie breaker from the esteemed.

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Speaker 1: I don't guess. I don't really know his official title.

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Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell, who runs everything here at the BBOC podcast. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I don't know your title, Matt or.

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Speaker 5: Mister Mitchell misrespecting me.

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Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with me being hijacked. This

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Speaker 1: week features a game. There's a game, so you can

656
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Speaker 1: look at this this week schedule. That was also the

657
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: very first college football matchup to be broadcasted live on

658
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Speaker 1: the radio back in nineteen twenty one. Yes, stuck. That

659
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: was my freshman year at Oklahoma State. Can you name

660
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Speaker 1: what game that is they are playing this week?

661
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: First one to get it?

662
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Well if you if you make a guest, then you

663
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Speaker 1: got to wait till the other guy guesses. But whoever

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Speaker 1: can guess first gets first guest.

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Speaker 4: Georgia, Kentucky.

666
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Speaker 1: Wrong, Okay, Stuck?

667
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Speaker 4: Oh, I think I know it.

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Speaker 5: It's got to be.

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Speaker 4: There's one that screened you got ten backyard brawl.

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Speaker 1: You got it, Stuck backyard brawl, According to mister Mitchell,

671
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Speaker 1: broadcast in nineteen twenty one on Historic kd KA.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe it's not Notre Dame Perdue.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so Stuck. You take a commanding four to three

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Speaker 1: lead in the next week. Nice job. Nice job on

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Speaker 1: the coaches too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a good pulled Mace. I wouldn't I

677
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Speaker 5: wouldn't have got Mason. I don't think I would have

678
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Speaker 5: needed a lot of time.

679
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Speaker 1: It's like you guys are asking who's on the hot seat,

680
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: Like all those guys massive wins against Kirby and Georgia

681
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: and yet you know some of them were fired the

682
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Speaker 1: same season. So yeah, it's uh, what have you done

683
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Speaker 1: for me right now? Not what have you done for

684
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Speaker 1: me lately?

685
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Speaker 5: All right, good stuff Before we get to some Manzell

686
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Speaker 5: one for the road. The Heisman Trophy. A question for Brett.

687
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 5: You tell us every year the end of the season.

688
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Speaker 5: It's only the end of the season that matters for

689
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Speaker 5: this award. We are all Heisman voters in full disclosure.

690
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Speaker 5: Is anything that has occurred to date realistically matter? Can

691
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Speaker 5: we take anything away from the first few games?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, you know, like you said, I

693
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Speaker 1: keep saying it, it's a broken record, But my gosh,

694
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Speaker 1: cam Ward and Miller Moss are eight position. I don't

695
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: think genty can keep it up. He's gonna have one

696
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: game where he has seventy five yards plus He's a

697
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Speaker 1: Group five guy. Everybody will forget about him. But Man

698
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Speaker 1: Moss with Lincoln Riley, we talked about them earlier. Their

699
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: schedule and then if Miami wins the ACC what Cam

700
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Speaker 1: Woard's done so far, God, they're gonna be They're gonna

701
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Speaker 1: be tough to beat. But I can't recommend it because

702
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Speaker 1: we've seen the list of September Heisman winners are a

703
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: mile long and nobody's ever done it. But those are

704
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Speaker 1: two guys I would actually consider.

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Speaker 5: All right, good stuff before we get out. That's uh

706
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Speaker 5: to ass it to an excerpt from our conversation today

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Speaker 5: with the newest BBOC contributor and former Heisman Trophy winner,

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Speaker 5: Johnny Manziel.

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Speaker 2: That's out, it's space, that's un still going Tony football.

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Speaker 5: We'll start with a couple quarterback questions that came directly

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Speaker 5: out of a matchup last weekend between Colorado and Nebraska.

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Speaker 5: We'll start with Dyan Royolo. Johnny helmpress for you with

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Speaker 5: him last Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he looked great.

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Speaker 6: I think he's really commanding their offense really well for

716
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Speaker 6: them in Nebraska. He took some shots downfield that ended

717
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Speaker 6: up working out against the Colorado secondary, which is porous

718
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Speaker 6: to say the least. He's able to get away with

719
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Speaker 6: some of those those right now, he's really you know,

720
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Speaker 6: cutting it loose and letting it fly. I don't know

721
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Speaker 6: how that will last up against some of these teams

722
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Speaker 6: he plays later in the season, like in Ohio State

723
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Speaker 6: or somebody like that. But playing with the utmost amount

724
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Speaker 6: of confidence, the guy who really really slinging it and

725
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 6: he's not really turning the ball over, he's not putting

726
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Speaker 6: him in back his positions, throwing the ball away, making

727
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Speaker 6: good sound moves. You're going to have to be able

728
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Speaker 6: to get rid of the ball, throw it away sometimes

729
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Speaker 6: and just live to play another down. I think that's

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Speaker 6: what he's done. A good job up so far. They're

731
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Speaker 6: a solid team from from offensive defense I've seen so far,

732
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Speaker 6: but Dylan Royola has been an absolute doud so far,

733
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Speaker 6: and I expect them to be, you know, even more

734
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Speaker 6: of a household name as the season continues on.

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Speaker 5: Are the Mahomes comparisons legit?

736
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Speaker 6: If you go back and look at you know, Mahomes

737
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Speaker 6: Texas tech tape, I see a lot of similarities from

738
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Speaker 6: footwork to arm angle to a lot of things like that.

739
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Speaker 6: So I don't know if he's that kind of play

740
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 6: or yet, but definitely him and the way he throws

741
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 6: the ball and the way he moves in the pocket

742
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 6: absolutely resembles Moms.

743
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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely a lot of similarities just from an overall

744
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 5: optics and how he looks on some of the off

745
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 5: script things he can do. But I will say, you know,

746
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 5: he played UTEP and Colorado, whose defense leaves a lot

747
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Speaker 5: to be desired. They could have lost to an FCS

748
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 5: team week one at home. But staying on that Colorado side,

749
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Speaker 5: Chaudore Sanders in a presser was asked, like, you know,

750
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Speaker 5: how he performed as we all and he mentioned, hey, well,

751
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 5: like did you see Ryol getting touched? You know, mentioned

752
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 5: they can't really run the ball on fourth and one.

753
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 5: He doesn't want to run the balls. He'd rather keep

754
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Speaker 5: it in his hands. Kind of threw his offensive line

755
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Speaker 5: under the bus a bit, you know, And this is

756
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 5: his defense in a way, Johnny, I mean as a

757
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 5: former quarterback both the college and NFL levels. I mean,

758
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 5: is that alarming? Could that cause a rift in the

759
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: locker room? Should we be worried about some of those

760
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Speaker 5: comments and how it could impact Colorado moving forward?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I really just don't see how you do this.

762
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Speaker 6: I don't see how you come out and throw your

763
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Speaker 6: own guys under the bus. That you're working with grinding

764
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 6: with every single week, week in and week out. You

765
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 6: can say there's some room for improvement that needs to

766
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 6: be made, but you definitely don't go into a direct comparison.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if I'm looking at that game, I know,

768
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 6: early on in the game, I know one thing you

769
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Speaker 6: don't do from a quarterback perspective is throw a hitch

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Speaker 6: route you know, late and on the inside for a

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Speaker 6: pick six. So I mean there's a lot of blame

772
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 6: there and that throw that should door made as well

773
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Speaker 6: to turn into a pick six early in the game

774
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Speaker 6: and really got things you know started for Nebraska. This

775
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 6: is something you don't do. I mean your guys or

776
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 6: your guys you know, you're supposed to rock with them

777
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 6: through thick and thin. For me, I'm sure O line

778
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 6: or your guys who ride with you, who rock with you.

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Speaker 6: You know, anytime your quarterback gets hit late, the first

780
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Speaker 6: person that you see there you're O lineman. This is

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Speaker 6: something that may make some of those guys really hesitant

782
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 6: to pick you up after a couple of people may

783
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 6: bang you around on the defensive side. So definitely something

784
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 6: that's alarming. You don't see this very much. And if

785
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Speaker 6: I was o lining the Colorado, I'd be absolutely pissed.

786
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: Brought up some stats here, Ray Johnny is talking about,

787
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: you don't throw your offensive line under the bus. If

788
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: you look at Shud numbers so far this season, he's

789
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: had twenty eight pressures in what seventy two passing attempts? Right,

790
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: that's not even half, but it's like thirty forty percent.

791
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Speaker 4: It is way too high.

792
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Speaker 2: If you go to Johnny's numbers from twenty fourteen, twenty

793
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: defensive pressures and thirty five passing attempts, that Johnny never

794
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: threw his offensive line under the bus. I mean that

795
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: is a way worse pressure rate than anybody else. You

796
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: just you can't do that to your own teammates. As

797
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: a college pro, it doesn't matter if it's pee wee,

798
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Speaker 2: you just cannot talk about your offensive line this way.

799
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Speaker 2: They're not gonna block for you. They might not even

800
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: want to play. They get hit the transfer portal. In

801
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: this case, at least in the pros, you have a

802
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: paycheck you have to earn. It's it's just amazing to

803
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: hear these kinds of comments, because quarterbacks do not throw

804
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: their offensive line than under the bus, no matter what

805
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: the pressure rate is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's already like the Sanders show, right, So

807
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 5: like they're the guys that are have to grind, and

808
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 5: like he gets all the attention, they're growing in all

809
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 5: the time, and like you just got to come out

810
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 5: and say, like those guys are working hard, they're doing

811
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Speaker 5: all they can for me up front. We'll get it

812
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: together starting this week. Like that's what you gotta say.

813
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 5: If there's like a potential in the locker room with

814
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Speaker 5: a quarterback after I do, and Johnny brought this up.

815
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Speaker 5: I always look to see when they go down after

816
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 5: like a bunch of hits, if they're if there were

817
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 5: guys are running over to pick them up. Rare instances

818
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 5: you'll see a quarterback is just not getting picked up

819
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Speaker 5: by his offensive lineman, which is a very very bad sign.

820
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Speaker 5: So something to keep an eye out for against Colorado

821
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Speaker 5: State this weekend should be a pretty fun game.

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Speaker 2: Johnny, you never threw your offensive line un of the

823
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: bus in Cleveland was looking like your pressure rate was insane.

824
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 6: No, I think I had guys like Joe Thomas and

825
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 6: guys that will come back out to the parking lot

826
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 6: and your car will beyond fucking bricks. If you did

827
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Speaker 6: something like that. I can't I can't imagine what that.

828
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think just because it's the on show.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I guess they're just going to keep getting

830
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 6: away with it. But it's for him to smile as

831
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 6: you sit there and say it too as well with

832
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 6: something that was kind of just like mind blowing to me.

833
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 5: And yeah, you mentioned that that pick that he threw.

834
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, worst case, the worst case scenario, that

835
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 6: ball has to be sailed high and outside. If you

836
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 6: miss anywhere, you miss out side already being laid on

837
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 6: your footwork and you leave it inside. That just gets

838
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 6: the party started off in Nebraska for them, and it

839
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 6: was just really can't happen when you're backed up in

840
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Speaker 6: your own end zone.

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Speaker 5: You had Jake Matthews right when you were Was he

842
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: there when you were there?

843
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 6: Jake Matthews was with me and at A and m

844
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Speaker 6: I had.

845
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Speaker 4: I had Louke Jokol as well.

846
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Speaker 5: Was Matthew's good dude? Did you like him?

847
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Speaker 6: Matt Matthews was amazing. Jake's great, He's still he's still

848
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 6: a great player.

849
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's still one of the best.

850
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Speaker 2: With Shiloh Hurt and pretty much Shadure like one, pick

851
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Speaker 2: number one, two three, Like, is there any potential you

852
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: think in college football for somebody to be like, fuck it,

853
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm done this season?

854
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 4: Like sure, sitting and.

855
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Speaker 6: I would I wouldn't think so. But who knows what's

856
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 6: going on in Colorado there? That was a hard game

857
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 6: to watch. On Saturday, we were talking about that Arkansas game.

858
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Speaker 6: I really liked Dalen Green. That guy can actually throw

859
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Speaker 6: the football a little bit. It was I can't believe

860
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Speaker 6: that that game went ended up the way that it did.

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Speaker 6: Oklahoma State had no fucking business winning that game.

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Speaker 5: All right, that'll do it for us. Thanks for tuning in.

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