WEBVTT - Black Pilled 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.560 From the dark corners of the web, an emerging mindset 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.040 I am a loser if also we know wouldn't pay 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:06.440 me either. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:11.400 A hidden world of resentment, cynicism, anger against women at 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:12.840 a deadly tipping point. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.600 In Cells will be added to the Terrorism Guide. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:16.240 Pelissea. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.520 A driver intentionally drove into a crowd, killing ten people. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:25.279 Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day in which 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.040 I will have my revenge. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.840 Is very angry, expressing a lot of hatred towards women 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.680 and towards men who get all the women. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.000 I just told my husband I know she's dead. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:44.120 This is in Cells, a production of Kat's Studios and iHeartRadio, 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:52.920 Season one, Episode two, Blackpilled. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.760 at KATI Studios, with Stephanie Leidecker, Gabriel Castillo, Connor Powell, 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:02.200 and Carolyn Miller. Even as we write this script, the 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.720 idea of online radicalization of all forms has been top 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:06.279 of news. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.400 What we are seeing is people that are being radicalized 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.039 typically are high and what's called the dark triad, which 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:19.240 is macavelianism, narcissism, and psychopathy, leading us to believe that 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.160 this ideology had infected him and had taken over. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.120 A lot of us are not immune to the danger 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.039 of the kind of radicalization that takes place. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.800 This goes all the way up to the Senate Judiciary 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.920 Committee hearing on September sixteenth. Here's Director of the FBI 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.560 Cash Betel, speaking with Senator Lindsay Graham. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.360 The data shows that social media is wildly out of control. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.120 This guy's FBI director. He says that social media is 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:50.480 wildly out of control. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.360 Online radicalization of all sorts is becoming more prevalent, specifically 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.200 as it relates to an uptick in in cell ideology. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.000 Last episode, we covered the basics of what a self 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.520 identifying in cell is, an involuntarily celibate man who often 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.639 feels hopeless with his position in life and who can 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:15.720 sometimes turn violent. Here's boys In Hodson, Communications and marketing 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.760 director for the Mankind Project. He explains research going on 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.640 in this area. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.560 There is really beautiful research out there from Equamundo than 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.280 another organization called Diverting Hate. That have all been kind 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.640 of looking at these things, and what they see about 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.400 men who get involved in the in cell community is 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.840 that they are really attached to adhering to really strict 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.839 gender roles around what it means to be a man, 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:49.600 and the more they adhere to that kind of dominance based, hierarchical, 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.680 really unhealthy beliefs about women, really unhealthy beliefs about people 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.680 of color, a lot of that stuff. And the more 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.960 that they get attached to these rigid, unhealthy the ideas 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.080 about what it means to be a man, the easier 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.280 it is for them to get drawn into hating other people, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.920 to get drawn into self harm and harm of others. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.960 We talk about it as either dominance based masculinity or 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.160 the man box culture. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.480 We ask Boyson to explain man box culture. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.760 The idea of the man box is that most boys 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.280 and men that you speak to out there in the world, 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.799 they know what they're supposed to do. They know what 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.080 fits in the man box. Don't be gay, make a 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.160 lot of money, keep your emotions to yourself, man up, 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.240 don't hurt, don't share. All of these kinds of things 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.480 that you know. Little boys start embodying these things at 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.640 four or five years old. They already know what's inside 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:50.120 the box. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.880 We spoke to Boyson about how these messages get internalized 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.480 and what that does to the mindset of in cells. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.040 So the messages that many of us heard when we 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.240 were younger, and this is you know, I'm in my 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.560 fifties and I still remember these messages, right. Don't get 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:14.480 vulnerable with other people, don't show your weakness, don't share 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:20.760 your emotions, toughen up. A lot of these messages get internalized, 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:27.640 and from those internalized messages, it is absolutely recipe for isolation. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.159 It is absolutely a recipe to stay home, not go out, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:37.120 only have online community, and restrict your kind of sharing 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.880 about what's real and true and vulnerable about who you are. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.280 To better understand the different ideologies and cells fall into, 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.239 we first need to understand the terminology that's used, starting 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.919 with red pill and black pill. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:57.480 So there's the red pill world where you've woken up 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.400 in quotation marks to the fact that you know feminism 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.840 has gone too far and men are really the ones 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.880 who are being victimized these days, and that is backed 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.680 up in the in cell world by this idea of 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:13.000 black pill and the blackpill science that they bring into 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:20.720 this is really flawed versions of evolutionary science or eugenics 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:27.359 that places human beings in very distinct hierarchies. So this 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.719 idea of six' six' six six, feet tall six figure 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:37.360 incomes six. Inches plus that's the, ideal, man right and 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:42.280 then every other gradation of society is kind of ranked based. 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.680 On that so a lot of the in cell ideology 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:50.880 is based on really bad science that they call, black 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:55.080 pill that they believe is these are the women, Who 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.159 succeed these are the men. Who succeed i'm, Not that 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.000 i'll never. Be that i'm doomed. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.560 For a deeper dive into black, pill ideology as well 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.400 as the blue and red pill ideologies that go along. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.880 With it we spoke To Doctor david lay who describes 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.960 the importance of in cels having their. Own Language doctor 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.359 lay is a, clinical psychologist, sex therapist and author of. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:24.159 Multiple books he also does training for therapists around. The, world. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.200 So, you, know first it's important to recognize that having, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:36.280 idiosyncratic terminology having a certain language and terminology that is 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.120 native and unique to a community is one of the 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:45.320 ways of building identity because people that are outside the 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:49.200 community don't know what these, terms mean and having the 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.440 secret language keeps other people out and it builds this 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:58.760 idea of secret knowledge. And belongingness by not only knowing, 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.839 the terms but using the whole pill kind, of concept 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.080 you know the red pill and. Blue pill we remember That, 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.240 from matrix and, you know the red pill is when 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.280 you reject society being the way you've been told it's going, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.280 to be and you decide to see underneath. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:15.920 The current. 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.920 The people who do not see underneath the curtain are considered. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.400 Blue pilled this is someone who is not part of 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.360 the in cell community and is considered ignorant of what 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.760 in cells believe to be the quote truth in the in. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.200 Cell worldview those who are blue pilled believe what we'd 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:42.360 call mainstream ideas. About relationships that personality and emotional connection 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:46.920 are important in attracting, a partner that sex and intimacy 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:51.080 are not commodities controlled solely, by women and that gender 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.080 roles in society are not unfairly skewed. Against Men doctor 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.360 lay continues describing the, bleakest designation the. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:05.360 Black pill, the, blackpill though is somewhat unique to the, 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:11.280 insel community and it is a bleak cynical view that 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.920 in seldom being an insul is a permanent state that 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:21.080 cannot be overcome or altered by. An insul it's really 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:27.120 an embracing, of hopelessness which is a unique component again 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.520 of the in. Cel community that's one of the things 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.640 that there's a lot of, echoes around which is you can't, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.560 get out you can't, change this and if you, try to. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.280 You'll fail and if you, try to you're not a. 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.199 Real insul you're only a real insul if you accept 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:45.440 that this is. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:46.840 Your existence. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.360 The concept of echo chambers came up often while producing. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:55.479 This podcast most, of us to, be honest. Were unfamiliar 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.560 we Asked doctor lay to explain what an echo chamber 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.480 is in this context and what the. Implications are. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:08.760 The echo chamber component of any online extreme ideology group 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:16.280 is intended to enforce rules upon what is said and 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:21.080 how people behave in, this community and it also sets 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.400 up these men that if they ever dare to question 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.520 or go against the components of the, echo chamber they 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:35.920 are viewed, as unfaithful. As disloyal all of that is 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:42.240 intended to shame and mandate loyalty to the echo. Chamber 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.000 dialogue the reason it's an echo chamber is that it 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:50.920 is intended to program that ideology into. People's thinking. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.920 Let's stop here for, a break we'll be back in. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:20.160 A moment while learning about the blue pill and black, 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.960 pill Designations Doctor david lay also spoke to us about 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.720 what it means. To ascend. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.319 So ascend is a term that the in cells us 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.559 to describe when an in cell overcomes their in cell 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.319 nature and when the, in cell frankly is successful at 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.800 getting a date or getting, a girlfriend getting a. Sex 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:46.559 partner and they described that this is when he ascends 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.360 past or out of his in. Cel identity but, even 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.440 though and there have been a couple of, you know 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:58.360 relatively well known in cell leaders who then quote unquote 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:03.400 ascended and did successfully get a date or. A girlfriend 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.360 and what was fascinating in those cases was that at 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:11.760 first these guys were somewhat celebrated by their, inceel peers 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.640 and then they. Were attacked then they were horrifically attacked 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.160 and shamed and just cut to ribbons in these online 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:25.960 communities by their inceell peers for, betraying them for betraying 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.760 the in. Cell identity and so even though they have 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.360 this term that you, can ascend the in cells encourage 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.320 each other against it because it would go Against that 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.560 blackpiel kind of idea that. It's hopeless. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.000 Then this language in cells used to describe others the 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:48.960 quote normies or normal people often normies refer to those with, 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:54.120 healthy relationships specifically romantic and. Sexual ones this brings us 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:59.559 To the chads and the staces for a, Visual picture Barbie. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:00.319 And Kendall. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.600 The Chad and Stacy and becky are these terms that 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.720 they that the in cels use to describe those men 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:17.400 and women who are more qualitatively attractive. AND Desirable a 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.120 chad is, you know that that man who is, you 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.520 know perceived as being tall and successful and, you know 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.400 traditionally handsome and desired, by women with social characteristics to 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.920 qualities like wealth that will make women attracted to him 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:40.720 and choose him over. The Insul the stacy is a more, 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.840 attractive female But the stacy is is oftentimes perceived as 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:50.800 also being kind of dumb. And shallow becky is a less, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.800 you know kind of classically, attractive woman but more more 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.520 the kind of bookish sort, of female but also still 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:03.360 again more attractive than the. End cell and again there's 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.120 there's a tremendous amount of misogyny in the in, cell 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.080 community and most of, their anger most of their hatred 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.679 is actually reserved for the women and Not. That chad 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.560 they don't talk about Killing, the chad but they do 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:24.240 talk about the deceptiveness and the dishonesty, of Women both 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:30.480 Becky's and stacy's that they would choose those chads over 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.000 other men such as. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.000 The insuls. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.560 Another thing to look at is just where in. Cells 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.960 congregate part of the reasons so little is widely known 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.160 about the subculture is that they self select into different 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:49.679 online spaces to speak openly. Among themselves Here's Producer, connor 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.720 powell who has spent time engaging on in cell forums for. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.080 This podcast. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.160 There is this sort of feeling that their real life 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.160 for them is behind the key board on a social, 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:05.120 media forum Whether it's discord or the insell, community forums 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.000 Or even reddit to, some Extent although reddit doesn't have 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.880 as many in cells on it as it used to 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.120 because they've banned a lot of the language and the 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:13.400 behavior that you know it used. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:14.440 To attract. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.320 Reddit is mainly used for, community discussions with thousands of 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:25.240 specialized forums. Called subreddits any of us might Go to 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.920 reddit to discuss literally anything from the best medical shows 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.440 to WATCH on tv to how to clean. Your windows, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.520 as mentioned many in cell conversations have been Banned. From 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.440 reddit discord is another platform we've been hearing a lot, 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:40.480 about lately. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.160 We're also going to be investigating anyone and everyone involved 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:46.440 In that. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.520 Discord chat there's an increase in violent online groups using 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:51.080 the App. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:56.560 CALLED discord i Spoke with Chase. About discord chase is 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.760 in his, early twenties outgoing with a healthy, social life. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.200 A girlfriend. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.040 I use discord for the first time probably my freshman 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.920 sophomore year of. High school it was primarily used, for 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.120 gaming BUT as i started to establish more friends on, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.560 the platform it then became more of an. Interpersonal thing 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.760 like a lot of people Get on discord to talk 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.240 to people that they wouldn't necessarily see in. REAL life 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.800 i have friends across the COUNTRY that i keep up 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.880 With on DISCORD that i might not even necessarily still game, 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.480 with actively like maybe here. And there but it's primarily 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.040 just something where it's a community based PLATFORM that i 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.760 use to talk to PEOPLE that i don't have any 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:35.440 connection with in. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:40.280 REAL life I asked chase if while in the process 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.840 of playing games and Chatting, on discord he only communicated 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:49.120 with those he knew in, real life or if he connected. With, strangers, oh. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.080 Yeah it's primarily strangers and, funny ENOUGH like i have 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.080 friends in real life that have introduced me to people 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.320 on Discord that i've never met in, real life that 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.200 have then gone on to introduce me to more people 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.800 and more People in before you, know it you're a 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.840 part of this twenty thirty forty person discord and you 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.160 don't know ninety five percent. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.800 OF them I, asked chase with the discussion Centered, around. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.120 Honestly Especially as i've, grown older the discord has gone 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.280 well above and beyond. Just gaming now we're talking, about 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:21.080 politics we're talking about, social relationships we're talking about what 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.080 people are doing in their, free time what their. Interests 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.880 are it goes way. Beyond gaming and it's to the 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.600 point NOW where i can SAY that i have a 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.320 very solid grasp of the types of People that i'm 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.160 dealing with strictly through discord without ever having actually. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.880 MET them I asked chase if he'd encountered conversations that. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:43.160 Turned, Volatile ABSOLUTELY and, I mean i'm not even. Gonna 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.760 lie most of the people on this discord are older 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.280 guys or just like guys, my age and they're. Strictly 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.640 gamers and a lot of these people the farther AND 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.920 farther i get removed from the PEOPLE that i know in. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.320 Real life the more people that are Different that, i'm 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.000 meeting a lot of which are people that don't really 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.400 have interaction with other people in. Real life like a 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.000 lot of, these people most of their relationships Exist through 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.880 discord or through, online platforms and it's very obvious when 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.800 you're interacting with those people because they socialize a little 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:13.960 bit differently than the people that you know in. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:22.040 Real life let's stop here for. Another break we'll be 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:22.359 back in. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:23.040 A moment. 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.240 In cell chatter can be, hate, filled menacing. And threatening 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.600 in what might be the absolute worst instance of what, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.359 can Happen Producer carolyn miller Spoke With. Kim devns kim's 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.439 seventeen year, Old Daughter, bianca devins was tragically killed her 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.240 killer that took brutal Pictures of bianca's corpse and posted 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:03.679 to in. 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:08.480 Cell groups seventeen Year Old bianca Devins of utica was 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.399 found dead in a wooded area at the end of. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.520 The street when police arrived on, the scene, The Suspect 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.800 Brandon andrew Clark, of cicero laying on top of the 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:17.680 tarp covering. 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:22.000 The Body in july, twenty nineteen the social Media platform 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.639 discord was buzzing about a photo that appeared to show 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:26.160 a dead. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.240 Young woman her killer posted the images of her body 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.240 online and they soon. Went viral but if that wasn't, 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.280 horrific enough the images were also sent to the victim's family. 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:40.320 On discord it's fairly common for people to post gore 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.760 and disturbing images just to sort of get a rise out. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:44.680 Of people. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.919 The image, was shared turned, into memes and used to 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.959 her As the devons family in an online campaign that 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:53.280 goes on to. This day. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.439 My Name Is. KIM devons i am the Mother Of, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:02.640 bianca devons who was murdered in. TWENTY nineteen i don't 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:03.240 want to say. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:04.960 His, name okay then Don't say. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.040 Bianca was she was an amazing person with so. Much 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:13.800 potential she. Was seventeen she had just graduated high school 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.040 two weeks prior to. Her death she had plans to 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.760 pursue a degree. In psychology she wanted to work with 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.080 adolescence because she herself struggled with some pretty severe mental. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:29.000 Health issues she was. Very artsy she was into music. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:33.119 And art she especially liked. Digital art my favorite memories 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:37.560 are just our times of us, Being together LIKE when 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.080 i Think OF bianca i always think of like she 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.679 was always by. My side she, was definitely, you know 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.320 my little. Best friend like since she, was little she was. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:50.199 Always attached was she an only child or did she 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.760 have any? Brothers sisters so she has her, Younger, sister 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.680 olivia and then She has maddie who is, now eight 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:02.240 and she has a stepbrother and. To stepsisters she's the oldest. 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.080 Of everyone so she had just graduated from high school 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:07.840 and she wanted to go, to college and you said 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:08.439 she wanted to go. 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.040 Into psychology she. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.159 Was going to start in her. Community College so biaka 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.920 was a young senior in. High school she, was still, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.520 you know seventeen and would have turned eighteen in. The 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.680 fall so she wasn't ready to leave. Home yet so 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.000 she had decided she wanted to do her first two 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.600 years at community college and then she would transfer to 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:27.880 a four. Year school but she wasn't ready to leave. 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.119 Me Yet, so biaka you never knew what kind of 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.040 like aesthetic she was gonna have from day. To day 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:35.639 she often dyed her hair in the middle of. The 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.160 night we never knew what we were going to wake 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.760 up to. Color hair she. Was seventeen she was just 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:44.560 kind of. Finding herself she was just very much a, 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:49.919 free spirit but confident, in herself like she knew she 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.639 kind of merged to the beat of her, own drum 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:54.639 but had confidence. 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:55.160 In that. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.159 You don't have to say, His name i'll. Say it 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.600 She Knew. Brandon clark would you consider? 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.640 Them friends they were. Good friends we all, knew him. 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.080 You know she'd introduced him to everyone in. The family 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.479 they hadn't known each other for like, too long but 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.920 it was a, few months, and yeah they were. 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:18.919 Good Friends on, july thirteenth, Twenty nineteen bianca went to 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.199 a Concert With. Brandon clark He murdered bianca in the 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:28.320 early Morning of. July fourteenth it's been widely Reported that 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.320 bianca met up with a male friend, Of, hers alex at, 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.639 the concert that the pair shared, a kiss and that's 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:39.480 somehow it Quote set brandon off and led to. The 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.640 murder we asked him to clarify the events of. The, evening. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:50.440 No that is. A misconception he had planned this. Very 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:55.560 clearly there's clear evidence at least a, week prior including 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.000 on a note in his notesap on his Phone from 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:04.080 july eleventh entitled, murder suicide and he had a list 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.159 he makes lists for, LIKE everything i mean down to 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.480 like his. Favorite cereals they found in his jail sadelel 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.240 List of so there was a list that was Created on, 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.480 july eleventh and there was other evidence Prior to july 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:17.480 eleventh of. His planning if he was. 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.720 Planning this did he ever have a motive as. 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.600 To, why no he still maintains it was just extreme. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:30.120 Emotional disturbance he has never given us. A why if 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.040 we had gone, to trial the motive presented by the 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.960 prosecution would have been. Number one he was just obsessed 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.520 with murder and it was something that he researched, a 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:40.320 lot and, you know read up on a lot of 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:44.800 different serial killers and, you know. Murder cases and he 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.800 was very Jealous. Of bianca she had this really. Bright 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.720 future she just kind of had everything that he didn't 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.000 and that. He wanted part of the motive would have 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.280 been LIKE if i can't, have you no. One Can 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.520 because bianca had made it very clear that they were 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:01.840 just friends and he definitely wanted more and. She didn't 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.000 she just wanted to. Be friends so that was definitely 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.479 another part of his motive was extreme jealousy AND if 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.879 i can't, have you no. One can one of my 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:12.760 vivid memories is sitting down with the police at the 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:16.120 police station and them telling me there were no red 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.240 FLAGS because i WHAT did? I miss i did not. 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.120 SEE anything i never would have, Expected this and they, 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.080 were like there really weren't any red flags that you could. 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:29.160 Have seen and it wasn't necessarily this concert or any type. 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.320 Of event it was just he's. A murderer he's evil 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.000 and if it wasn't, your daughter and if, it wasn't, 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.800 you know after, this concert it would have been. Someone else. 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.159 Another time we asked him to walk us through what 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:48.800 happened at. Her home the Morning of, JULY fourteenth i. 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.719 Was woken up by My, daughter olivia who was fifteen at, 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:55.479 the time and, she said the police are here Something. 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.119 About bianca it was like little after, seven am so 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.560 she's just woken up kind. Of us they presented that 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.359 they were coming for a. Welfare check, that first, you 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.280 know we're saying with bank, your daughter is? She here 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:08.320 and then they asked me if she went to, a 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:13.560 concert and then said that he had posted some concerning 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.679 things on the internet that he may have. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:16.280 Hurt her. 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:19.959 What happened? 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:23.720 After that at the time that they came to. My 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:27.000 house the police were also getting calls from people In 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.240 the discoord server where the picture was, originally posted and 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.000 THEN they i know that they received a call from, 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.359 his aunt who he had called after. The murder he 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.440