WEBVTT - Big Willie Lynch Style (with Rochée Jeffrey) 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.440 Let me tell you. I have hopes. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:07.760 I have hopes of being on es and now one time, 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:12.960 and I feel like this is just ruined. Jesus the 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:14.280 musical guest. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:16.079 It's gonna be a problem. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.440 You're gonna have to at least address it in a bit. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:23.320 It was a podcast, It was a guest. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.360 I was young, you're ready, you're. 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:37.120 Literally seventy five years old. But I should have Yes. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.400 My chips in your faies. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:50.280 Quals a racists. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.519 Money turning stuff. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:53.559 I can't tell. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:59.960 Me there's a meeting in my bedroom, and girl, please 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.640 don't be late. There it is there. It is Gentiles 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.160 and little Mama's alike. Welcome to another phenomenal episode of 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:09.240 My Mama Told Me. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.880 The podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.360 black conspiracy theories. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:19.199 And we finally work to prove that Cam Newton's outfits 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.440 are just cte but make it fashion. That ain't nothing 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:28.040 but a brain damaged man putting on the silliest shit 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.000 that he can come up with with the few brain 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.440 cells he has left. Tell me I'm. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.320 Wrong, bro, You're not wrong. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.080 This is fucks. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.840 My whole sense of style in high school is derived 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:49.080 on a short that makes sense, Yeah, because because sometimes 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.760 Cam does some stuff where you're like, remember when he 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.120 was wearing like those big old lady earrings, like the 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.560 giant ones. That seems like that could be because you 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:58.280 got hit hard. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.560 That's to come on, brokey, And I get what you're 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.120 saying that there were there was a point where you 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.200 see him dressed and you'd be like, God, damn, this 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.679 nigga is fly. He looking good. I want to look 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.680 like Cam Newton, And then the next day he puts 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.200 on some ship where you're like, that would have been 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.160 a huge mistake if I would have started to shape 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.679 my closet based off of this very cartoonishly dressed man. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.160 Are you talking about the most recently those little pants? 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:35.040 I think we can go down every time, and and 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:36.919 that's part of the problem. And you can already hear 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.000 our guests today and we're so excited that that she's here. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:45.480 I think part of the problem is the number of 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:49.680 things that he puts on along with the physical you 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.360 know what I mean, Like, it's not just that you 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.400 made a bold choice with an anti sweater, it's that 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.440 you made a bold choice with an anti sweater and 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.880 a Grandpa turtleneck and and a fucking belt. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.040 That don't really, I do think it's worth noting for 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:09.080 the listeners that Langston is currently wearing a pink hoodie 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.040 with complicated drawstrings. Okay, two camera on favorites. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:20.520 Okay, you mean the new the new face of Kith. Yeah, Cameron, 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.240 don't do that to Killa. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.120 I know, but I don't like the way that you 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:27.600 said it. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.560 I respect him very much. I'm a big fan and 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.480 uh and I pray I pray that his homophobia lives 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:43.680 on forever, untainted by the changes in society. I pray 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:48.560 that nobody ever takes his homophobia away from him, even 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.160 as we as a society evolve and grow into understanding 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.760 that that kind of maturity is almost shameful at this point, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:03.640 our guest, Oh yeah, David Bori, I'm Langston Kermey. Who 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.040 the fuck geers, We're our guest today. We're so excited 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:13.640 that she's a talented comedian, a writer, a producer, a 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.280 creator of all kinds. Most importantly, you know her work 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.960 from yes Week Cannabis, which is currently You can currently 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:25.080 vote for it in the podcast section of the n 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.560 Double ACP Awards. If you are voting for the n 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.240 DOUBLEACP Awards and White He's getting on it too, don't 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.240 you White Devil's you don't you feel at all is 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.760 shamed to go on the n Double ACP website and 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.680 vote for the Image Awards. But if you do decide 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.840 to do that, you should be voting for Yes Week Cannabis, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.760 which I had the lovely opportunity to play a part in. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.640 It was so fun so funny. She's dope. Please give 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.440 it up for Rochet Jeffrey. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.560 Yes, I need that everywhere I go from that. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:05.120 One accompany my it's yes, Yes, I'm excited to be here. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.240 We're so happy you're here. And frankly, you came to 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.719 us with a conspiracy theory that Bory we talked about. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.920 I don't think either of us were very verse. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.560 Then, not at all, not at all. 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.280 Yeah, it wasn't one that we were super aware of. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.400 I think I had heard the words, you know what 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.560 I mean, like I had heard it talked about before, 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.760 but I had never done any version of a deep 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.760 dive in so this is really exciting. But you said, 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:35.520 my mama told me the Willie Lynch letter is real. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.520 Indeed, Yes, I grew up in a very black area 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.320 and so we would talk about it all the time. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:47.120 And when I went to a. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.520 Black college and we were talking all the time about 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.720 it all the time with confidence. Little did we know 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:58.040 it's believed to actually not be real little yeah, believe 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.600 by who a lot of research of there's a lot 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.120 of research that says that some of the words using 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.960 the letter like actually didn't exist at the time that 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.520 the letter says that it's from. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.080 And yeah, it's how they get you every time. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.760 All these fact checkers wanting words to be the same 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.320 since seventeen whatever the fuck. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.800 Yeah. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.080 Yeah, So before we deep dive into all of this, 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.560 I guess let's begin right at the start. It tak 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.920 us through what this Willie Lynch letter is. Let's make 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.840 sure that our listeners are as versed as you are 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.800 in terms of what it is, what it represents, and 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:41.599 where it comes from for you. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.720 Yeah, So, Willie Lunch Letter is a letter that black 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.159 people will love to cite when we're acting up and 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.480 it says, you know, because they say that some slave 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:56.240 owner taught American slave owners about how to control black 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.920 people without lynching them, and that was like to separate 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.240 us based on skin color and age and all sorts 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.760 of other stuff. But the letter appeared for the first 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.839 time to anyone's knowledge in the nineteen seventies, and no 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.800 one can really find like the true origin of this 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:16.280 letter that's from this slave owner Willy Lynch. 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:21.720 Yeah, so a slave owner named Willie Lynch, apparently in 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.840 Virginia in seventeen twelve. He's a British slave owner in 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.320 the West Indies. Apparently like goes in front of a 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.360 colony on the James on the bank of the James 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.960 River in seventeen twelve and gives this speech where he 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.200 explains to all the other slave owners like, Hey, I 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.160 know y'all have been having all kinds of issues with 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.160 your slaves. They keep on running away and not listening 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.400 to you and sucking off your your wives and shit 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.760 sucking their titties. They suck your wives titties all the time. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:53.760 It's terrible. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:54.520 I don't know. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:57.920 No, I'm not good man. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:58.920 What do you want to sound like? 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.960 You got forty Yeah he started he started as a 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:04.560 joking that it got like, you know. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:20.480 You're freaky, you're freaking freaky. Yeah about talk about listen 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.040 what else was doing? Listen if y'all read a different 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.160 letter than me. Just say that, Just say you ain't 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.600 read the same letter as me. Don't try to embarrass me, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.319 Just say, hey, our letters might have been a little different. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:39.000 I cannot but in in this supposed speech, he explains 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.080 to all of them, hey, despite the problems that you're having, 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.320 I have insight on how to make it so that 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.120 your slaves never rebel so that you get the best 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:52.199 out of your your specifically black slaves, and then explains 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.440 in detail, supposedly how to how to fix all the 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:57.640 problems with the slaves. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:08:58.840 Yeah. 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.000 And the funny thing is we use it now a 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.160 lot people will throw it out and be like, see, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:07.080 this is what Willy Lynch, that's what he wanted, this 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.360 Willie Lynch figure. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.680 Right. Well, let me ask you this, when you first 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.760 heard this, because you said you you grew up in 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.680 a place where it sounds like they were telling you, Yeah, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.760 this is a real thing. When you first heard it, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.440 were you bought in? Did you believe in the Willie 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:25.800 Lynch Lynch letter. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.760 Old white men from the past being crazy and saying 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.880 crazy shit AE hundred. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.640 It's not hard to believe. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.840 It's easy to believe any conspiracy theory around a white 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.840 man from the past doing some crazy shit. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.880 You should summarize. That's a piece of statement for this 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:44.800 entire program. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.000 That didn't take much. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:47.280 It doesn't take much. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.840 Yeah, it doesn't feel like, oh man, how where'd you 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:57.679 come up with this? This feels almost magical what you're suggesting, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.840 a white man trying to control other people? 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:00.760 Yeah. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.240 Yeah, And even if it is fake, I know a 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:05.960 white man fake that shit. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.839 That's that's where I propose we start with this. Okay, 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.840 tell me who made it, if it was if it 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.280 wasn't fake, what is the benefit of faking this? It's 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.880 something more diabolical than I think I could wrap my 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.920 head around. But I think, you know, as a group effort, 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.319 we could really get to get Because that's that's the question, right, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.480 if it's been debunked, the question is who put this 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:32.280 out and why? 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:37.640 Mmmmmm, Well, here's what Here's what I'll say is that 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:43.640 for me, the Willie Lynch letter feels like it's meant 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.800 to represent a bit of an allegory in the way 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.800 that like, we read like Bible stories and we aren't 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.600 necessarily supposed to believe that Goliath was like this giant 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.120 and David, you know, hit him with a sling shot, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:57.800 whatever the fuck. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:05.720 It was just a big factor. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:16.200 It was just the biggest man in town. And frankly, 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:22.520 Elias couldn't fight for shit. But no, I think it's 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.760 meant to be an allegory, like you know that, like, hey, 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.960 straighten up, do try not to create these sort of 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.520 like in fights and negative relationships inside of our community. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.360 And so I had always interpreted it, or at least 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.760 in my brief understanding of it, i'd interpreted it as 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:45.560 a black invention meant to teach black children and black 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.960 people to be the better version of themselves because of 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.400 the sinister work that white people are doing. But I'm 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.000 deeply fascinated with what y'all are suggesting of this actually 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.880 being a white invention, and I'd love to hear more 0:11:58.880 --> 0:11:59.320 about that. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.080 I mean, what you're saying makes the most sense, truly, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.959 But like the citiful part of me is always like 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.760 this is so like crafty and sinister in. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:16.600 A way that say it's sneaky weak. Yeah, we say 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:17.800 we call them blank eaters. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:25.480 Well one of us calls them that. The other ones 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:26.880 never said that out loud before. 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:32.720 But yeah, yeah, I definitely feel like it's it's it 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.400 could go either way, But it just feels it's a 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.240 strange thing for a black person to craft, in my opinion, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.600 because then, like you would they get into the minds 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.120 of like a Willy Lich. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.920 But also, the more I say it, Willy Lynch sounds 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:47.320 like an invention of a black person. 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.560 Even that name, that is the initial thing that I 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.520 felt when it came to the table. That does not 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.000 sound like a like if you make me draw Willy 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.240 Lynch on a piece of paper, it does not look 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:00.880 like a bridge man. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.600 From the West Indies. Get the funk out of here. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.440 Where's some type of work where you. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.920 You mean Willy Lynch, the nigga that brought the Black 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:16.360 Eyed Peas? Yeah, I know, Willie. You mean you mean 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.400 Willy Lynch would be yelling at his wife. Nobody's saying 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.880 nothing because it's crazy. Yeah, you know, we know Willy. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.160 That's a fact. That's a fact. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:25.760 Yeah. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.800 The more we talk, I'm convinced it's a black black man. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.760 Yeah, you know, yeah, that's fair because I think it's 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.280 like the name is not good. It's like when you 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.520 hear white people name fake rappers, you know what I mean, 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.199 It's not even grounded somewhere in any of the truth. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:43.559 No. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.720 Yeah, it's like a little peat pop and it's like 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.840 ice banana. Yeah, you know you hate us so much 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.800 that you won't even do basic research to learn how 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:55.679 to make fun of us. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.520 Yeah, that's all that always does hurt, where it's like 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.520 respect me enough to give me proper. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.800 Really be That is my biggest issue with the way 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.280 that white people make fun of us is like I 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.320 really study y'all, you know what I mean, Like, I 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.679 really put in the work to make sure that, like 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.400 when I'm making fun of white people, I'm using all 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.840 of the correct weaponry to make this an effective ass argument. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.440 And how many eighties sitcoms I had to watch know 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.080 that you look like Piercy Ally, Come on, don't do 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:29.600 that to me. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.400 Well, that's okay. We are fluent in whiteness. 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:38.640 Yeah, Like we literally know everything about them and they 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.120 don't know when nothing anything. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:46.600 It's it blows my mind when they don't notice. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.520 I was explaining to a group of white people to 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.880 yesterday who Birdman was, and it's like, come on, that's 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.680 a major figure. That's a ship, that's not a that's 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.320 not a fly by night ass dude, He's He's a 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.880 big part of the community. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.320 They love the big times. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.680 Yeah, that's it. They love the fucking big time and 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.480 they don't even know their name. That's crazy. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.520 It's a few who do burden in I bet you 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.560 even less. No many fresh by name. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:17.640 That's nuts. 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.680 The black famous thing is real, man. There's some people 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.600 who are black famous that white people do not. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.640 They do not know who they are. Like shery Lee. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.240 Rolph before she decided to sing when she won that Emmy. Yeah, 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.040 she was at a Hollywood reporter roundtable about being black 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.520 famous and how white people didn't recognize her, and half 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.360 of the white people who were standing up giving a 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.840 standing ovation had no idea who this older black lady was. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.120 No, they didn't know how long it took me to 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:49.560 learn her name and stop calling her d Yeah, they 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:50.840 did not. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.680 They're no fucking clue. But a bunch of black people 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.400 near them stood up and they didn't want to be 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.720 a yeah, yeah, she's right, she's right. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.960 That works in our favorite like when you get them 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.120 the clap for like something they wouldn't have, like they 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.080 really didn't listen to any three six Mafia music even 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:09.320 after they won that Grammy. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:10.120 You know that's true. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.360 Yeah, And that's like, I'm glad they still got their ship. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.080 People shitting on them for shouting out George Cloney, but 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:20.760 I thought that was pretty cool when they wanted to 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.320 osk her and they were like, Yo, shout out to 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.160 my man, George Cloney. You know, you know what it was. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:26.840 They had a fun ass time with him in the 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.920 green room, and he had a fun ass time too, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.400 and he didn't expect that to become public knowledge. And 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.000 they were like, nah, George, you was fucking around with 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.920 us back there, and we we fucked with you. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:37.600 Yeah. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:44.200 Man, I went to a party and no, hey, hey, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.200 make sure you fight about it. Make sure you too 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:48.680 wrestled back and forth. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:50.600 Let's go. 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.600 No. I was gonna say, there are so many white 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.000 people that black people secretly love. We don't talk about often, 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.520 But George on that list, Selei on that whole controversy 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.200 at the grammyes. We love Selene. That's our white aunt 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:07.120 who's married to our black uncle. We love her, Like yes. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.120 That's the amount of the amount of pride of an 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.879 older version of me used to taking R Kelly writing 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.000 a song with Selene Dion. I thought that was so 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.920 fucking cool. I was like, yeah, Selene cool, she hang 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.639 out with R. Kelly and now in retrospect, that's not cool, Selene. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.400 You don't take the feeling away, don't take. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:37.320 You're right, I should keep that, keep the feeling. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:37.160 Beyond. Jesus. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.680 I really liked it. I thought it was really cool. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.440 They made a great song together too. I don't know 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:43.440 if y'all have heard it, but. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.000 It's I don't want to know that it exists. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.320 No, they have a song together and it's gorgeous. I 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:49.920 swear it. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.080 I want to see documentary about them meeting each other. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.040 Meeting each other. I don't think Seleene Diona hung out 0:17:59.040 --> 0:17:59.320 with R. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.520 Kelly Man, That's how it went in my head. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.000 Yeah, you think that they are. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:05.960 Then he grew up to Canada. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.440 Oh you don't think she came to his turn. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:10.960 She would still be there. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.919 Yeah, you don't think that there was spider lets her 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.880 fly like that and do his web and lets it go. Yeah. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.280 I think that there were three little black girls roped 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.560 up in the background while she was sending her ballad. 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.160 Who I understand bitch too. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:36.320 But swallow? Have you ever been swallowed up? Have you 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.800 gone through a time of swallowing where everything was overwhelmed me. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:47.280 I'm reporting the news. If you cowards are afraid of that, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.359 well then I suggest you find a new podcast to enjoy. 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:57.439 My god, so so roche. You are. You are a 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.480 young young person. You are, You are here during this 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.479 You are bought in. It sounds like, to some extent 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.000 at least beat by these older people telling you that 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.280 this is a real thing. How much are you sharing 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.399 this with another audience? How much are you being like, Hey, y'all, 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.399 have y'all heard the good news? Can I tell you 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.000 more about the Willie Lynch letter? 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.359 Of course, I feel like there was especially a college 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.560 because I went to Howard and so at Howard, you're 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.360 talking about slavery at the. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.920 Club, at lunch out the yard before. 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.280 I threw it out many times as a way to 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:38.080 have win the conversation, win the debate, until I realized, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.360 like somebody was like, girl, you know that's not real, right? 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.560 And I was like, oh, it's like when you find 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.000 out like Steve Harvey's hair, was it real? 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:51.080 It just it takes away like your childhood and it 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.440 makes you rethink everything. 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:55.560 Yeah. No, I was. 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.720 I was a firm believer in that airline and now 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.119 now nothing had to take. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:02.000 His picture off the wall. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.680 You had a Steve high Tower picture on the wall. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.800 Just like is what you could have his hair As 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.440 an older man, I thought it was. Yeah, it was. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.400 That was an aspirational hairline, like the lens. The way 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.720 that it just sat like it defied gravity. It was 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:25.240 it gave me hope. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.399 It was for me, not even the precision of the 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:35.080 hairline itself, but it was the frequency, or rather the 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.359 lack of any evidence that it ever was out of 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.400 place that made me excited. Where it was like, damn, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.879 my man, don't never get caught slipping once, like you 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.719 never caught Steve slipping even for a second, And that 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.320 should have been the biggest tell for all of us. 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.840 It wasn't the the actual hairline. It was that like, oh, 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.240 he don't have one off day. There's never there's never 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.200 even a moment where it's not exactly where it was before. 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.239 One hundred percent. And honestly, you know, after watching Kat 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.520 Williams interview, he said a lot of things. Some of 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.440 it was true, it was a lot, but the Steve 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.520 Harvey think I knew was a fact, and so it 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.800 gave a lot of credibility to everything else he said in. 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.040 My yah, I think that's true. 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.080 He said Steve was fake, and I was like, that's true. 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.480 So yeah, And I don't want to speak out of turn, boy, 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.040 but I think we're firm believers in everything that Kat 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:34.119 Williams put out into the world. I think I believe it, 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.199 even in uh, even the things that I know to 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.399 be outright lies. I believe in the the emotional truth 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.399 of them in a way that I won't refute it. 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:45.800 What am I going to do? What am I going 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.120 to do? Argue with him? No, he's right, that man, 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:49.160 that man was right. 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.040 He's right, and he's fast. 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.679 He read three thousand books at eight years old in 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.200 his heart, and that's what matters. 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:02.480 Prove him wrong, is what I say, prove my mannron 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:07.280 exactly so roche. You believe it. You are spreading this 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.879 to others, and then somebody comes into your world and 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.000 sort of pops this bubble and says it isn't real. 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.440 How much of that have you then carried forth? Are 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.359 you now a person? Sort of like when the Willie 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.960