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Speaker 3: and little Mama's alike. Welcome to another phenomenal episode of
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Speaker 3: That's to come on, brokey, And I get what you're
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Speaker 3: see him dressed and you'd be like, God, damn, this
Speaker 3: nigga is fly. He looking good. I want to look
Speaker 3: like Cam Newton, And then the next day he puts
Speaker 3: on some ship where you're like, that would have been
Speaker 3: a huge mistake if I would have started to shape
Speaker 3: my closet based off of this very cartoonishly dressed man.
Speaker 4: Are you talking about the most recently those little pants?
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Speaker 1: Yes, I need that everywhere I go from that.
Speaker 2: One accompany my it's yes, Yes, I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 3: We're so happy you're here. And frankly, you came to
Speaker 3: us with a conspiracy theory that Bory we talked about.
Speaker 3: I don't think either of us were very verse.
Speaker 4: Then, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't one that we were super aware of.
Speaker 3: I think I had heard the words, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, like I had heard it talked about before,
Speaker 3: but I had never done any version of a deep
Speaker 3: dive in so this is really exciting. But you said,
Speaker 3: my mama told me the Willie Lynch letter is real.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Yes, I grew up in a very black area
Speaker 2: and so we would talk about it all the time.
Speaker 1: And when I went to a.
Speaker 2: Black college and we were talking all the time about
Speaker 2: it all the time with confidence. Little did we know
Speaker 2: it's believed to actually not be real little yeah, believe
Speaker 2: by who a lot of research of there's a lot
Speaker 2: of research that says that some of the words using
Speaker 2: the letter like actually didn't exist at the time that
Speaker 2: the letter says that it's from.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's how they get you every time.
Speaker 3: All these fact checkers wanting words to be the same
Speaker 3: since seventeen whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So before we deep dive into all of this,
Speaker 3: I guess let's begin right at the start. It tak
Speaker 3: us through what this Willie Lynch letter is. Let's make
Speaker 3: sure that our listeners are as versed as you are
Speaker 3: in terms of what it is, what it represents, and
Speaker 3: where it comes from for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Willie Lunch Letter is a letter that black
Speaker 2: people will love to cite when we're acting up and
Speaker 2: it says, you know, because they say that some slave
Speaker 2: owner taught American slave owners about how to control black
Speaker 2: people without lynching them, and that was like to separate
Speaker 2: us based on skin color and age and all sorts
Speaker 2: of other stuff. But the letter appeared for the first
Speaker 2: time to anyone's knowledge in the nineteen seventies, and no
Speaker 2: one can really find like the true origin of this
Speaker 2: letter that's from this slave owner Willy Lynch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a slave owner named Willie Lynch, apparently in
Speaker 3: Virginia in seventeen twelve. He's a British slave owner in
Speaker 3: the West Indies. Apparently like goes in front of a
Speaker 3: colony on the James on the bank of the James
Speaker 3: River in seventeen twelve and gives this speech where he
Speaker 3: explains to all the other slave owners like, Hey, I
Speaker 3: know y'all have been having all kinds of issues with
Speaker 3: your slaves. They keep on running away and not listening
Speaker 3: to you and sucking off your your wives and shit
Speaker 3: sucking their titties. They suck your wives titties all the time.
Speaker 3: It's terrible.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not good man.
Speaker 4: What do you want to sound like?
Speaker 2: You got forty Yeah he started he started as a
Speaker 2: joking that it got like, you know.
Speaker 3: You're freaky, you're freaking freaky. Yeah about talk about listen
Speaker 3: what else was doing? Listen if y'all read a different
Speaker 3: letter than me. Just say that, Just say you ain't
Speaker 3: read the same letter as me. Don't try to embarrass me,
Speaker 3: Just say, hey, our letters might have been a little different.
Speaker 3: I cannot but in in this supposed speech, he explains
Speaker 3: to all of them, hey, despite the problems that you're having,
Speaker 3: I have insight on how to make it so that
Speaker 3: your slaves never rebel so that you get the best
Speaker 3: out of your your specifically black slaves, and then explains
Speaker 3: in detail, supposedly how to how to fix all the
Speaker 3: problems with the slaves.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is we use it now a
Speaker 2: lot people will throw it out and be like, see,
Speaker 2: this is what Willy Lynch, that's what he wanted, this
Speaker 2: Willie Lynch figure.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, let me ask you this, when you first
Speaker 3: heard this, because you said you you grew up in
Speaker 3: a place where it sounds like they were telling you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a real thing. When you first heard it,
Speaker 3: were you bought in? Did you believe in the Willie
Speaker 3: Lynch Lynch letter.
Speaker 2: Old white men from the past being crazy and saying
Speaker 2: crazy shit AE hundred.
Speaker 4: It's not hard to believe.
Speaker 2: It's easy to believe any conspiracy theory around a white
Speaker 2: man from the past doing some crazy shit.
Speaker 4: You should summarize. That's a piece of statement for this
Speaker 4: entire program.
Speaker 3: That didn't take much.
Speaker 1: It doesn't take much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't feel like, oh man, how where'd you
Speaker 3: come up with this? This feels almost magical what you're suggesting,
Speaker 3: a white man trying to control other people?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And even if it is fake, I know a
Speaker 2: white man fake that shit.
Speaker 4: That's that's where I propose we start with this. Okay,
Speaker 4: tell me who made it, if it was if it
Speaker 4: wasn't fake, what is the benefit of faking this? It's
Speaker 4: something more diabolical than I think I could wrap my
Speaker 4: head around. But I think, you know, as a group effort,
Speaker 4: we could really get to get Because that's that's the question, right,
Speaker 4: if it's been debunked, the question is who put this
Speaker 4: out and why?
Speaker 3: Mmmmmm, Well, here's what Here's what I'll say is that
Speaker 3: for me, the Willie Lynch letter feels like it's meant
Speaker 3: to represent a bit of an allegory in the way
Speaker 3: that like, we read like Bible stories and we aren't
Speaker 3: necessarily supposed to believe that Goliath was like this giant
Speaker 3: and David, you know, hit him with a sling shot,
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck.
Speaker 4: It was just a big factor.
Speaker 3: It was just the biggest man in town. And frankly,
Speaker 3: Elias couldn't fight for shit. But no, I think it's
Speaker 3: meant to be an allegory, like you know that, like, hey,
Speaker 3: straighten up, do try not to create these sort of
Speaker 3: like in fights and negative relationships inside of our community.
Speaker 3: And so I had always interpreted it, or at least
Speaker 3: in my brief understanding of it, i'd interpreted it as
Speaker 3: a black invention meant to teach black children and black
Speaker 3: people to be the better version of themselves because of
Speaker 3: the sinister work that white people are doing. But I'm
Speaker 3: deeply fascinated with what y'all are suggesting of this actually
Speaker 3: being a white invention, and I'd love to hear more
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, what you're saying makes the most sense, truly,
Speaker 2: But like the citiful part of me is always like
Speaker 2: this is so like crafty and sinister in.
Speaker 4: A way that say it's sneaky weak. Yeah, we say
Speaker 4: we call them blank eaters.
Speaker 3: Well one of us calls them that. The other ones
Speaker 3: never said that out loud before.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I definitely feel like it's it's it
Speaker 5: could go either way, But it just feels it's a
Speaker 5: strange thing for a black person to craft, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: because then, like you would they get into the minds
Speaker 5: of like a Willy Lich.
Speaker 1: But also, the more I say it, Willy Lynch sounds
Speaker 1: like an invention of a black person.
Speaker 4: Even that name, that is the initial thing that I
Speaker 4: felt when it came to the table. That does not
Speaker 4: sound like a like if you make me draw Willy
Speaker 4: Lynch on a piece of paper, it does not look
Speaker 4: like a bridge man.
Speaker 3: From the West Indies. Get the funk out of here.
Speaker 4: Where's some type of work where you.
Speaker 3: You mean Willy Lynch, the nigga that brought the Black
Speaker 3: Eyed Peas? Yeah, I know, Willie. You mean you mean
Speaker 3: Willy Lynch would be yelling at his wife. Nobody's saying
Speaker 3: nothing because it's crazy. Yeah, you know, we know Willy.
Speaker 1: That's a fact. That's a fact.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The more we talk, I'm convinced it's a black black man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's fair because I think it's
Speaker 4: like the name is not good. It's like when you
Speaker 4: hear white people name fake rappers, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: It's not even grounded somewhere in any of the truth.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a little peat pop and it's like
Speaker 3: ice banana. Yeah, you know you hate us so much
Speaker 3: that you won't even do basic research to learn how
Speaker 3: to make fun of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all that always does hurt, where it's like
Speaker 4: respect me enough to give me proper.
Speaker 3: Really be That is my biggest issue with the way
Speaker 3: that white people make fun of us is like I
Speaker 3: really study y'all, you know what I mean, Like, I
Speaker 3: really put in the work to make sure that, like
Speaker 3: when I'm making fun of white people, I'm using all
Speaker 3: of the correct weaponry to make this an effective ass argument.
Speaker 4: And how many eighties sitcoms I had to watch know
Speaker 4: that you look like Piercy Ally, Come on, don't do
Speaker 4: that to me.
Speaker 1: Well, that's okay. We are fluent in whiteness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we literally know everything about them and they
Speaker 2: don't know when nothing anything.
Speaker 4: It's it blows my mind when they don't notice.
Speaker 3: I was explaining to a group of white people to
Speaker 3: yesterday who Birdman was, and it's like, come on, that's
Speaker 3: a major figure. That's a ship, that's not a that's
Speaker 3: not a fly by night ass dude, He's He's a
Speaker 3: big part of the community.
Speaker 4: They love the big times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. They love the fucking big time and
Speaker 3: they don't even know their name. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's a few who do burden in I bet you
Speaker 4: even less. No many fresh by name.
Speaker 3: That's nuts.
Speaker 2: The black famous thing is real, man. There's some people
Speaker 2: who are black famous that white people do not.
Speaker 1: They do not know who they are. Like shery Lee.
Speaker 2: Rolph before she decided to sing when she won that Emmy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was at a Hollywood reporter roundtable about being black
Speaker 2: famous and how white people didn't recognize her, and half
Speaker 2: of the white people who were standing up giving a
Speaker 2: standing ovation had no idea who this older black lady was.
Speaker 4: No, they didn't know how long it took me to
Speaker 4: learn her name and stop calling her d Yeah, they
Speaker 4: did not.
Speaker 3: They're no fucking clue. But a bunch of black people
Speaker 3: near them stood up and they didn't want to be
Speaker 3: a yeah, yeah, she's right, she's right.
Speaker 4: That works in our favorite like when you get them
Speaker 4: the clap for like something they wouldn't have, like they
Speaker 4: really didn't listen to any three six Mafia music even
Speaker 4: after they won that Grammy.
Speaker 3: You know that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's like, I'm glad they still got their ship.
Speaker 3: People shitting on them for shouting out George Cloney, but
Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty cool when they wanted to
Speaker 3: osk her and they were like, Yo, shout out to
Speaker 3: my man, George Cloney. You know, you know what it was.
Speaker 3: They had a fun ass time with him in the
Speaker 3: green room, and he had a fun ass time too,
Speaker 3: and he didn't expect that to become public knowledge. And
Speaker 3: they were like, nah, George, you was fucking around with
Speaker 3: us back there, and we we fucked with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, I went to a party and no, hey, hey,
Speaker 3: make sure you fight about it. Make sure you too
Speaker 3: wrestled back and forth.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 2: No. I was gonna say, there are so many white
Speaker 2: people that black people secretly love. We don't talk about often,
Speaker 2: But George on that list, Selei on that whole controversy
Speaker 2: at the grammyes. We love Selene. That's our white aunt
Speaker 2: who's married to our black uncle. We love her, Like yes.
Speaker 3: That's the amount of the amount of pride of an
Speaker 3: older version of me used to taking R Kelly writing
Speaker 3: a song with Selene Dion. I thought that was so
Speaker 3: fucking cool. I was like, yeah, Selene cool, she hang
Speaker 3: out with R. Kelly and now in retrospect, that's not cool, Selene.
Speaker 4: You don't take the feeling away, don't take.
Speaker 3: You're right, I should keep that, keep the feeling.
Speaker 1: Beyond. Jesus.
Speaker 3: I really liked it. I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 3: They made a great song together too. I don't know
Speaker 3: if y'all have heard it, but.
Speaker 1: It's I don't want to know that it exists.
Speaker 3: No, they have a song together and it's gorgeous. I
Speaker 3: swear it.
Speaker 4: I want to see documentary about them meeting each other.
Speaker 3: Meeting each other. I don't think Seleene Diona hung out
Speaker 3: with R.
Speaker 4: Kelly Man, That's how it went in my head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think that they are.
Speaker 4: Then he grew up to Canada.
Speaker 3: Oh you don't think she came to his turn.
Speaker 1: She would still be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't think that there was spider lets her
Speaker 4: fly like that and do his web and lets it go. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that there were three little black girls roped
Speaker 3: up in the background while she was sending her ballad.
Speaker 4: Who I understand bitch too.
Speaker 6: But swallow? Have you ever been swallowed up? Have you
Speaker 6: gone through a time of swallowing where everything was overwhelmed me.
Speaker 3: I'm reporting the news. If you cowards are afraid of that,
Speaker 3: well then I suggest you find a new podcast to enjoy.
Speaker 3: My god, so so roche. You are. You are a
Speaker 3: young young person. You are, You are here during this
Speaker 3: You are bought in. It sounds like, to some extent
Speaker 3: at least beat by these older people telling you that
Speaker 3: this is a real thing. How much are you sharing
Speaker 3: this with another audience? How much are you being like, Hey, y'all,
Speaker 3: have y'all heard the good news? Can I tell you
Speaker 3: more about the Willie Lynch letter?
Speaker 2: Of course, I feel like there was especially a college
Speaker 2: because I went to Howard and so at Howard, you're
Speaker 2: talking about slavery at the.
Speaker 1: Club, at lunch out the yard before.
Speaker 2: I threw it out many times as a way to
Speaker 2: have win the conversation, win the debate, until I realized,
Speaker 2: like somebody was like, girl, you know that's not real, right?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, it's like when you find
Speaker 1: out like Steve Harvey's hair, was it real?
Speaker 2: It just it takes away like your childhood and it
Speaker 2: makes you rethink everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I was.
Speaker 3: I was a firm believer in that airline and now
Speaker 3: now nothing had to take.
Speaker 4: His picture off the wall.
Speaker 3: You had a Steve high Tower picture on the wall.
Speaker 4: Just like is what you could have his hair As
Speaker 4: an older man, I thought it was. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: That was an aspirational hairline, like the lens. The way
Speaker 2: that it just sat like it defied gravity. It was
Speaker 2: it gave me hope.
Speaker 3: It was for me, not even the precision of the
Speaker 3: hairline itself, but it was the frequency, or rather the
Speaker 3: lack of any evidence that it ever was out of
Speaker 3: place that made me excited. Where it was like, damn,
Speaker 3: my man, don't never get caught slipping once, like you
Speaker 3: never caught Steve slipping even for a second, And that
Speaker 3: should have been the biggest tell for all of us.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the the actual hairline. It was that like, oh,
Speaker 3: he don't have one off day. There's never there's never
Speaker 3: even a moment where it's not exactly where it was before.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And honestly, you know, after watching Kat
Speaker 2: Williams interview, he said a lot of things. Some of
Speaker 2: it was true, it was a lot, but the Steve
Speaker 2: Harvey think I knew was a fact, and so it
Speaker 2: gave a lot of credibility to everything else he said in.
Speaker 3: My yah, I think that's true.
Speaker 2: He said Steve was fake, and I was like, that's true.
Speaker 3: So yeah, And I don't want to speak out of turn, boy,
Speaker 3: but I think we're firm believers in everything that Kat
Speaker 3: Williams put out into the world. I think I believe it,
Speaker 3: even in uh, even the things that I know to
Speaker 3: be outright lies. I believe in the the emotional truth
Speaker 3: of them in a way that I won't refute it.
Speaker 3: What am I going to do? What am I going
Speaker 3: to do? Argue with him? No, he's right, that man,
Speaker 3: that man was right.
Speaker 4: He's right, and he's fast.
Speaker 2: He read three thousand books at eight years old in
Speaker 2: his heart, and that's what matters.
Speaker 3: Prove him wrong, is what I say, prove my mannron
Speaker 3: exactly so roche. You believe it. You are spreading this
Speaker 3: to others, and then somebody comes into your world and
Speaker 3: sort of pops this bubble and says it isn't real.
Speaker 3: How much of that have you then carried forth? Are
Speaker 3: you now a person? Sort of like when the Willie
Speaker 3: Lynch letter still gets brought up, because I imagine people
Speaker 3: in your life are still occasionally being like, you know,
Speaker 3: that's like the Willie Lynch letter or you know they
Speaker 3: talked about that in the Willie Lynch Letter. How much
Speaker 3: of that are you going, actually, y'all wake up that
Speaker 3: shit ain't real? Or are you letting people continue to
Speaker 3: live under this sort of allegorical umbrella.
Speaker 2: The last one, I don't believe in correcting black people.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to debate it.
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't want to have to prove it.
Speaker 2: I just keep believing this. This is my service to people.
Speaker 2: Is having this doing this episode?
Speaker 3: Yeah it does. I think that was beautifully put. There's
Speaker 3: no reason to correct black people on some ship that
Speaker 3: like they feel that passionately about. You just got to
Speaker 3: kind of let that be. And to the cat Williams point,
Speaker 3: an emotional truth even if it isn't a literal.
Speaker 2: One, and there's all this, like there's an article about it,
Speaker 2: like they were like, yeah, it's probably not true, but
Speaker 2: I mean there's a point there, right, and so like
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff is valid, So why argue
Speaker 2: with your cousin about it?
Speaker 3: Like get the peace, keep the peace, Bory, where before
Speaker 3: we go to break? Where do you fall in this?
Speaker 3: Are you a secret believer in the Willie Lynch letter.
Speaker 3: Are you do you believe it to have still have
Speaker 3: been written by a white person? What? What are you?
Speaker 3: What are you feeling right this second?
Speaker 4: I believe if maybe the specificity of Willy Lynch is
Speaker 4: not if that is not real, I believe in the
Speaker 4: possibility of something like this, like the idea of someone
Speaker 4: giving maybe more sinister slave tactics to help owners with
Speaker 4: with difficult that to me, like the specificity is maybe, like,
Speaker 4: but that type of thing seems very realistic to me,
Speaker 4: that you know what I mean. So maybe it wasn't
Speaker 4: this one specific day, but yeah, I could see white
Speaker 4: people trading nasty tactics to keep the subjugate people.
Speaker 3: Okay, that this is more about, uh, like.
Speaker 4: A sharing of information in that way, right, because that's
Speaker 4: the idea of this, right, is that he did that
Speaker 4: that one time and then they were all like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: did you hear what Willie Lynch did? And they implemented
Speaker 4: all these ideas. So maybe not like I said, like,
Speaker 4: not that specific, but I think that idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: do believe in that.
Speaker 3: I like that he.
Speaker 2: Did like a ted talk to them, right, and they
Speaker 2: were like this this is the thing.
Speaker 1: We gotta go spread the word.
Speaker 4: And maybe if it wasn't one ted talk though it
Speaker 4: was like some nasty, nasty man found out ways you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a nasty man man.
Speaker 4: I was. It was weird when I said it. I
Speaker 4: thought if I said it more times, it would get
Speaker 4: me out of it.
Speaker 3: Nasty put some clothes on, I told you, Yeah, nasty
Speaker 3: second cities, white titties. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: Think I wish I did to say it so many times.
Speaker 4: I three was a lot. I know that.
Speaker 3: I do think to that point. One of the things
Speaker 3: that does make me start to to if I were
Speaker 3: to be swayed towards this being a white conception, it
Speaker 3: does feel a little like proud that this man stood
Speaker 3: on the river bank and he addressed the the various
Speaker 3: slave owners who all gathered together, when in fact, if
Speaker 3: we're really talking about what this shit probably was, well,
Speaker 3: it was a drunk motherfucker at the bar being like
Speaker 3: y'all gonna get y'all slaves to hate each other or
Speaker 3: whatever it was. And it's not this glamorous sort of
Speaker 3: like proud moment, but more just a sloppy alcoholic who
Speaker 3: then planted a seed for a bunch of other evil
Speaker 3: motherfuckers to go do some other shit.
Speaker 1: That sounds about accurate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that feels good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe we'll find out. We're gonna take a break,
Speaker 3: We're gonna come back with more roche, Jeffrey more my
Speaker 3: mama told me, and we're gonna keep talking about the
Speaker 3: possibility that the Willie Lynch letter is is real. All right,
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Speaker 4: Just sleek, it's sexy.
Speaker 3: Come on, you want to tell them what we have?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have three different types of hats, which is
Speaker 4: really fun. We have a two tone hat alien Dad hat,
Speaker 4: the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then we have
Speaker 4: the enamel pin with the alien who has a cooofie
Speaker 4: on it since my mama told me. And then we
Speaker 4: have t shirts that say proud little Mama, which is
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can buy the merch now, go to my
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Speaker 1: Would you say that you're racist?
Speaker 4: Not at all no, Look, I'm a dog. He's as
Speaker 4: black as can be, and so are we. We are
Speaker 4: back discussing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, seamless transition.
Speaker 4: I've been working on it. Can you tell that.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a part of my outro, my intro
Speaker 2: to that audio wherever I go?
Speaker 4: All right, I'm trying to put you in a position.
Speaker 3: Oh man, We've talked a little bit about this, the
Speaker 3: Willie Lynch of it all. One of the things that
Speaker 3: sort of becomes an important part of all of this.
Speaker 4: Is that this.
Speaker 3: Slave owner, William Lynch again was said to have given
Speaker 3: this speech in seventeen twelve, But there isn't a lot
Speaker 3: of evidence of the individual actually being a person or
Speaker 3: certainly like the individual is not traced anywhere specific there's
Speaker 3: William Lynch of Lynch Law, or is at least a
Speaker 3: person that is connected to the Lynch the terms of
Speaker 3: the Lynch Law in Lynching who was born in seventeen
Speaker 3: forty two and died in eighteen twenty who died or
Speaker 3: he was basically seventy seven to seventy eight years old,
Speaker 3: according to Wikipedia, But there isn't a lot of evidence
Speaker 3: in his Wiikipedia or in his breakdown of him having
Speaker 3: given this speech as much as he is just famous
Speaker 3: for being a guy that they've connected.
Speaker 2: To that, Yeah, there's a guy with the last named
Speaker 2: Lynch who was doing some shit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's where it ends.
Speaker 6: YEA.
Speaker 3: Not a lot after that they just kind of go, yeah, William,
Speaker 3: that seems like a guy who probably did some wild shit.
Speaker 3: And there it is.
Speaker 4: I mean to speak to the conspiracy theory, though, how
Speaker 4: important is it that this guy was real or was not?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. That's a good question, like if we're taking
Speaker 4: the lessons from it that like like like does it matter?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I will say when I.
Speaker 4: Maybe God didn't flood the earth for however long, but
Speaker 4: I still don't want to covet my neighbor's wife, Like
Speaker 4: does it need to be real?
Speaker 1: That's a word.
Speaker 2: I actually think that a lot of what's in the
Speaker 2: Willie Lynch letters, I think there is some relevance today.
Speaker 2: For sure, we do do a lot of things. The
Speaker 2: letter says that we do. There's all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 2: So whether it's it's true, maybe it's a fable maybe.
Speaker 1: We could learn from.
Speaker 2: And I do think it holds a lot of weight
Speaker 2: to its very applicable to what's going on right now.
Speaker 3: And I will call them what the fucking boy complete No,
Speaker 3: nothing about that, I will say to that point. One
Speaker 3: of the things that it reminds me of, and we've
Speaker 3: talked about this before Borio on the podcast, it reminds
Speaker 3: me of that supposed secret meeting that happened between all
Speaker 3: the record executives in the nineties or the late eighties,
Speaker 3: early nineties, whatever it was, where the supposed white record
Speaker 3: executives all get together and they decide that gangster rap
Speaker 3: is going to be the preferred music of choice so
Speaker 3: that they can sort of like introduce larger rise is
Speaker 3: a violence and drug use in the black community. And
Speaker 3: I think that it's not we and we talked about
Speaker 3: it on the episode. It's not not true that like
Speaker 3: record executives made that choice. They just didn't make necessarily
Speaker 3: have like some big formal meeting where Sony sat down
Speaker 3: with Arista, sat down with whoever the fuck to make
Speaker 3: it happen.
Speaker 4: The unconscious mind is a powerful tool, right, Like maybe
Speaker 4: these things weren't at the forefront, but it's like because
Speaker 4: they felt these things about these people, they it moved
Speaker 4: in that direction.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's one hundred percent true. And I remember
Speaker 3: weirdly watching a documentary years ago. It was actually a
Speaker 3: documentary I used to teach with that was narrated by
Speaker 3: Esther Role. You guys remember Estrole from Good Times. Esther
Speaker 3: Role was a part of this documentary where it was
Speaker 3: sort of talking about the specifically the propaganda around how
Speaker 3: much of our history in America is just rooted in
Speaker 3: white propaganda that like, basically in reconstruction, right, slavery ends
Speaker 3: and they have to suddenly employ black people, or at
Speaker 3: least in theory, black people have options to free themselves
Speaker 3: or be free and employ themselves and like live inside
Speaker 3: of society, and white people aren't figuring out quickly enough
Speaker 3: how to make money off of that shit or how
Speaker 3: to take advantage of it. And one of the things
Speaker 3: that they talked about is that like they started introducing
Speaker 3: imagery relating to black people as a way of depressing
Speaker 3: our successes. That the image of a black man who
Speaker 3: loves watermelon and is lazy and all of that shit
Speaker 3: was just them trying to use propaganda to make it
Speaker 3: so that we couldn't get jobs. That they were basically
Speaker 3: being like, oh, the black man is lazy and he
Speaker 3: don't do no work, So that's why you shouldn't employ him,
Speaker 3: because he's not really he actually really wishes he could
Speaker 3: just be a slave again, because with his free mind,
Speaker 3: he'll just be lazy and won't do nothing. And the
Speaker 3: watermelon became an image just because they wanted something that
Speaker 3: was shaped like our smiles, like big fucking watermelon smiles.
Speaker 3: So they picked that as a way of selling it,
Speaker 3: and then that becomes our relationship to watermelon for another
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty years or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is white people are really great
Speaker 2: at branding, and people are.
Speaker 1: And they are.
Speaker 2: And also the thing too about like black folks and
Speaker 2: our conspiracy theories is that a lot of them are
Speaker 2: really about helping us overcome issues.
Speaker 1: Or deal with stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, we also had some stupid things floating around,
Speaker 2: but usually these kinds of like this Willie Lynch letter
Speaker 2: is an example of like black people saying, hey, like
Speaker 2: this is how we come together. The Tommy He'll Figure
Speaker 2: thing that was made up, like you know that he
Speaker 2: said that he didn't want to sell to black people.
Speaker 2: If anything, to me, that was black people being like
Speaker 2: we need to invest in our own clothing brand. You know,
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of our conspiracy theories are
Speaker 2: actually meant to help us as opposed to harmus.
Speaker 3: I like that that that has an optimism to it
Speaker 3: that that maybe no, yeah, it certainly isn't in my heart,
Speaker 3: but I didn't think about it that way, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like I think when I heard the
Speaker 3: Tommy Hill figure thing, I was just like, damn, that
Speaker 3: was real mean to Tommy Hunt. But but no, there
Speaker 3: is there is maybe an optimism to it where it's like,
Speaker 3: maybe this is just reminding black people that we don't
Speaker 3: have to invest our entire community into this brand, that
Speaker 3: even if he's not outwardly saying it, is not truly
Speaker 3: invested in the growth of the black people. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: that's beautiful. I really like it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've al making that, but I.
Speaker 4: Mean no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, we are
Speaker 4: not gonna correct you.
Speaker 1: No what I would like to think, that's what I now.
Speaker 3: Let that marinate for a yeah, to the point of
Speaker 3: making things up. In that same documentary, one of the
Speaker 3: things that they pointed out is that, you know, reconstruction happens.
Speaker 3: They try to make black people lazy. That doesn't stick
Speaker 3: well enough because Black people continue to sort of like
Speaker 3: build and create and Harlem Renaissance, all the cool things
Speaker 3: are sort of like happening for us in the world,
Speaker 3: despite the massive propaganda efforts to make us look like
Speaker 3: fucking idiots. And one of the things that they intentionally
Speaker 3: do then is they go, Okay, black people aren't lazy,
Speaker 3: they're violent, and they start introducing all these images of
Speaker 3: us with razor blades, so they every fucking picture of
Speaker 3: black people suddenly is no longer We're lazy, big old watermelon,
Speaker 3: smiley motherfuckers. We have razor blades in every picture, and
Speaker 3: we'll cut you, and we're violent, we're old, we're sick
Speaker 3: with our violence, and that becomes the image that they
Speaker 3: start to circulate because now it's, oh, we can't be
Speaker 3: near them because of the dangers that they represent.
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy how black people are everything? Like, there's
Speaker 2: so many stereotypes about black people that at some point
Speaker 2: it's like what it's like the contradictory is like they're stupid,
Speaker 2: they're docile, they're cunning, they're violent. Like the men aren't
Speaker 2: masculine and violent, they're feminine.
Speaker 1: There's like, it's.
Speaker 2: All the women are this, They're slutty, they're undesirable, they're this.
Speaker 1: There's like, what is it?
Speaker 2: What? Yeah, pick a pick a lane for us, give
Speaker 2: us one thing to stick to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that would be nice. I would like it
Speaker 3: if they just picked one lane.
Speaker 2: Just give us one thing violent. Okay, we can work
Speaker 2: with that. It's just it's everything, it's chaotic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what what stereotype? You choose them for us? Which
Speaker 3: one do you want to be? We get to make
Speaker 3: a choice.
Speaker 4: Now it's obvious front runners, right uh.
Speaker 3: And and none of the easy obviously big dick. That's
Speaker 3: just a fact. Okay.
Speaker 4: Well uh then I'll go back to the drying.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think I think we could do a lot with
Speaker 4: the sneaky one. That's how they got on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're sneaking, Louis.
Speaker 4: He had a purchase sneaky as fuck?
Speaker 3: Was sneaky? You crafty motherfuckers sneak.
Speaker 4: I'll take sneaky.
Speaker 3: That's Nigga's not bad, a good one. And I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna name which specific groups, but.
Speaker 4: We so I thought you weren going to do one.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: But but we can name a few groups who have
Speaker 3: really thrived under the sneaky stereotype, Dave, they can we
Speaker 3: they've been called sneaky and they've been fine with it
Speaker 3: and they continue to fucking thrive.
Speaker 4: Oh weird legs just hit the chat, it says Armenian.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. I don't even. I don't even. I didn't
Speaker 4: even know we had a chat feature. No, I just
Speaker 4: kidd say anything, throw everyone here, Please give us money.
Speaker 3: Please give us money. Uh but no, I do think
Speaker 3: snicky is in a bad room, Brochet. If you had
Speaker 3: to pick one, you where where what would you pick?
Speaker 3: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Would say sexy.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'll be honest. I didn't know that was.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was on the table.
Speaker 4: I think it is.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say we sexy.
Speaker 3: I I I don't think it's not on the table.
Speaker 3: I just didn't think that that was like what the
Speaker 3: slave owners were walking around sort of struggling with. Damn it,
Speaker 3: they're sexy.
Speaker 4: He's in the field glistening just to city and masterpiece.
Speaker 2: A lot of almost twenty three and me's look interesting
Speaker 2: because they got master in their fucked up minds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thought that so I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: No, that's fair. Sex is pretty good.
Speaker 4: Which did you take so stupid? Either, we're power ranking
Speaker 4: our favorite stereotypes.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I I like, If I'm being completely honest, I do
Speaker 3: like that white people are nervous around us, and I
Speaker 3: don't want that. I don't want to lose that. So
Speaker 3: so unapproachable I think is it's still one that I
Speaker 3: I enjoy enough that that I I don't want to
Speaker 3: lose that, and I wish that it was unapproachable. But
Speaker 3: they still thought of us as very intelligent and very capable,
Speaker 3: so that they knew not to come near us. But
Speaker 3: we still benefited from all the respect that you would
Speaker 3: gain from somebody knowing that you're smart, capable. Person that said,
Speaker 3: they mixed the metaphors and it becomes the ugly thing.
Speaker 3: But I don't I don't like when they just feel
Speaker 3: super comfortable with me. So I'm sticking with unapproachable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think these were three really good picks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you're out there and you're thinking about
Speaker 3: spreading stereotypes about black people, we're sexy. Hey, hey we're sexy,
Speaker 3: We're unapproachable, and god damn it, we're sneaky in the motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: So that's the quip for this episode.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, sexy cool. No, you got one of them right,
Speaker 3: one is correct, the other two.
Speaker 2: That's our album Man.
Speaker 4: Sexy, sneaky, unapproachable. It sounds like a tank album.
Speaker 1: That feels like real to be honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And who's a better black person than Rihanna. I'll
Speaker 3: wait for you to name.
Speaker 4: Is a top tier.
Speaker 3: That's that's cream of deck crop. We're calling upon you
Speaker 3: because we have we have new merch. We have very
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Speaker 4: Just sleek, it's sexy.
Speaker 3: Come on, you want to tell them what we have?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have three different types of hats, which is
Speaker 4: really fun. We have a two tone hat Alien Dad hat,
Speaker 4: the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then we have
Speaker 4: the enamel pin with an alien who has a coofie
Speaker 4: on it since my Mama told me. And then we
Speaker 4: have t shirts that say proud little Mama, which is
Speaker 4: who you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can buy the merch now, go to my
Speaker 3: Mama told me dot Merchcentral dot com, and we want
Speaker 3: you to have all the sweet stuff, so get it.
Speaker 3: I do think at its core, the Willie Lynch letter
Speaker 3: is probably not real. I think we can we can
Speaker 3: maybe agree on it on its existence not being true,
Speaker 3: but maybe it's value to our community still being something
Speaker 3: worth holding on to. It's it seems like it still
Speaker 3: has a value for us to cherish, and we shouldn't
Speaker 3: just throw that away simply because we made up a
Speaker 3: white man and decided to tell people about it.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree. I think there's value in it. When
Speaker 2: I read it, I'm like, Yeah, this feels about right,
Speaker 2: and I think we should continue to teach kids that
Speaker 2: it's real.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And one of the things, if they can push a
Speaker 4: white Jesus, you can damn sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If there's a white Jesus, there's also a white devil.
Speaker 3: And and y'all have to make peace with that. You
Speaker 3: have to make peace with the fact that this is
Speaker 3: he represents the white devil for us and we need him.
Speaker 1: It's like, I want this episode to do well. I
Speaker 1: also don't want anybody to hear it because I don't
Speaker 1: want him to know.
Speaker 3: I don't want to ruin Santa clause.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I want to ruin it
Speaker 1: for people.
Speaker 4: That's how I feel every week.
Speaker 3: And I and I do leave cookies out for Willie
Speaker 3: Lynch once the year, a little dry ass cookies.
Speaker 1: I gotta get your kid to write a letter to yeh.
Speaker 3: I say to my daughter, I say, baby girl, we
Speaker 3: we gotta write our letters. You gotta go to bed early.
Speaker 3: Willie Lynch is coming. Willie Lynch is gonna come, and
Speaker 3: he's gonna.
Speaker 4: And you don't want to see him because he's drunk.
Speaker 3: He's drunk, terrified. He's gonna. He's gonna make you hate
Speaker 3: your daddy. But but he's coming. Parts of him, parts
Speaker 3: of him, parts of parts of them. Your respect more
Speaker 3: than you realize your your respect him really really Santa Claus, Uh,
Speaker 3: I think we did it.
Speaker 4: That feels like a good that was because this was
Speaker 4: this is an important episode.
Speaker 3: This was an important episode. We're really roch, We're honored
Speaker 3: you joined us. Could you tell the people where they
Speaker 3: could bind you on? What cool ship you have going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Find me roche r O C H E E.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey on Instagram and yeah, the nw A C P
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Speaker 1: The goddamn name? Yes, we campus. Uh, support us. I'm
Speaker 1: blacking out.
Speaker 3: You made it.
Speaker 2: It's really mad that what just happened. Uh yeah, and
Speaker 2: you performing stand up everywhere. And it's been such a
Speaker 2: joy to join you guys today.
Speaker 3: We're glad you were here.
Speaker 4: Bory.
Speaker 3: You want to tell the people where they commind you?
Speaker 4: No, all right?
Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 4: the next day on HBO Max. You gotta watch it.
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Speaker 3: It's very funny. Let's not short change it.
Speaker 4: So it's a very funny show. I'm on every episode.
Speaker 3: You're very funny in it. I enjoy your character maybe
Speaker 3: the most of all the characters in it. And I
Speaker 3: don't just say that as your your your partner in
Speaker 3: this ship.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's really sweet.
Speaker 1: That was a really beautiful moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really really nice. I'm sorry I said that
Speaker 4: stuff about your.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, you you really fucked me back there, but.
Speaker 4: I was lashing out. Man, it's been a weird day.
Speaker 4: I'll tell and I'll tell the audience. I got my
Speaker 4: ship pushed back today. Yeah, and it's everything's been on.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, your hairline is is Uh, it's not what
Speaker 3: it was previously. It's safe to say.
Speaker 4: My I mean, my confidence is We've had some hair
Speaker 4: issues on this podcast, so I feel like it's just
Speaker 4: it's not so bad. But no, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not as bad as you feel about it.
Speaker 4: But you compare that to how I usually feel leaving
Speaker 4: the barbershop, and I'll be honest, my confidence isn't an
Speaker 4: all time low.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say that that's the hoodie thing. It's just
Speaker 4: you were doing something daring with fashion and I was
Speaker 4: old fashioned and that's not cool. Man.
Speaker 3: You you are a man who, for for as long
Speaker 3: as we've been doing this, I think, has really believed
Speaker 3: in that young man who's been cutting your hair. You've
Speaker 3: you've stood behind him.
Speaker 4: I still do. I still players fuck up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, you you really stood. You really had
Speaker 3: his back, and he hurt you in a way that
Speaker 3: I think I think you got to confront him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you gotta say, like a bro, not for nothing. Last
Speaker 3: week wasn't your best work and we gotta get back on.
Speaker 4: What if you did this before I got to Miami.
Speaker 4: Come on, I go in before trips like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: home this week, But what if this was before Miami Weekend.
Speaker 3: We we gotta, we gotta treat everything like this. Every
Speaker 3: day is game day.
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks on my Hillbilly, I live in the mountain.
Speaker 4: You can't come on, bro, And he's like, twenty six,
Speaker 4: you're too young for this. NOA, maybe quit telling me
Speaker 4: how your dad puts you on living single and more
Speaker 4: focused on my hairline not getting pushed back.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say right now, I'm concerned about when you
Speaker 2: go back the next time. If you listen to this,
Speaker 2: he might deliberately fuck up your hairlining.
Speaker 4: He listens to this in the way that a barber
Speaker 4: consumes your content. Yeah, any deeper than five minutes, I promise.
Speaker 3: My Barbara listened, quote unquote listen to some episodes. But
Speaker 3: I don't think that Nigga's making it to the end.
Speaker 4: I don't know that's he's.
Speaker 3: Making it to the credits. You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 3: we're good.
Speaker 4: And I'm going back, so you know who the fault
Speaker 4: is that right now? You guys don't know him like
Speaker 4: God do. Though he loves me, Ye.
Speaker 3: This is just a one time there. He would never
Speaker 3: hit me again.
Speaker 4: No, sometimes love hurts, that's a dark end. The point
Speaker 4: is watch that television pots.
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Speaker 4: Let's just say, keep my birthday open.
Speaker 3: Keep Bory's birthday open. Sinko Spanish, the boys Spanish deeply
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