1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Let me tell you. I have hopes. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: I have hopes of being on es and now one time, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: and I feel like this is just ruined. Jesus the 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: musical guest. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a problem. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 3: You're gonna have to at least address it in a bit. 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 4: It was a podcast, It was a guest. 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: I was young, you're ready, you're. 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Literally seventy five years old. But I should have Yes. 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: My chips in your faies. 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: Quals a racists. 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: Money turning stuff. 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: I can't tell. 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: Me there's a meeting in my bedroom, and girl, please 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: don't be late. There it is there. It is Gentiles 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: and little Mama's alike. Welcome to another phenomenal episode of 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 3: My Mama Told Me. 18 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: The podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 4: black conspiracy theories. 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 3: And we finally work to prove that Cam Newton's outfits 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: are just cte but make it fashion. That ain't nothing 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: but a brain damaged man putting on the silliest shit 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: that he can come up with with the few brain 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: cells he has left. Tell me I'm. 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: Wrong, bro, You're not wrong. 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: This is fucks. 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 4: My whole sense of style in high school is derived 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: on a short that makes sense, Yeah, because because sometimes 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: Cam does some stuff where you're like, remember when he 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: was wearing like those big old lady earrings, like the 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 4: giant ones. That seems like that could be because you 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 4: got hit hard. 33 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: That's to come on, brokey, And I get what you're 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: saying that there were there was a point where you 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: see him dressed and you'd be like, God, damn, this 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 3: nigga is fly. He looking good. I want to look 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: like Cam Newton, And then the next day he puts 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: on some ship where you're like, that would have been 39 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: a huge mistake if I would have started to shape 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 3: my closet based off of this very cartoonishly dressed man. 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: Are you talking about the most recently those little pants? 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: I think we can go down every time, and and 43 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: that's part of the problem. And you can already hear 44 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: our guests today and we're so excited that that she's here. 45 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: I think part of the problem is the number of 46 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: things that he puts on along with the physical you 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, it's not just that you 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: made a bold choice with an anti sweater, it's that 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: you made a bold choice with an anti sweater and 50 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: a Grandpa turtleneck and and a fucking belt. 51 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 4: That don't really, I do think it's worth noting for 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 4: the listeners that Langston is currently wearing a pink hoodie 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: with complicated drawstrings. Okay, two camera on favorites. 54 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: Okay, you mean the new the new face of Kith. Yeah, Cameron, 55 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: don't do that to Killa. 56 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: I know, but I don't like the way that you 57 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 4: said it. 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: I respect him very much. I'm a big fan and 59 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: uh and I pray I pray that his homophobia lives 60 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: on forever, untainted by the changes in society. I pray 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: that nobody ever takes his homophobia away from him, even 62 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: as we as a society evolve and grow into understanding 63 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: that that kind of maturity is almost shameful at this point, 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: our guest, Oh yeah, David Bori, I'm Langston Kermey. Who 65 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: the fuck geers, We're our guest today. We're so excited 66 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: that she's a talented comedian, a writer, a producer, a 67 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 3: creator of all kinds. Most importantly, you know her work 68 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: from yes Week Cannabis, which is currently You can currently 69 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: vote for it in the podcast section of the n 70 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: Double ACP Awards. If you are voting for the n 71 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: DOUBLEACP Awards and White He's getting on it too, don't 72 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: you White Devil's you don't you feel at all is 73 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: shamed to go on the n Double ACP website and 74 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: vote for the Image Awards. But if you do decide 75 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: to do that, you should be voting for Yes Week Cannabis, 76 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: which I had the lovely opportunity to play a part in. 77 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: It was so fun so funny. She's dope. Please give 78 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: it up for Rochet Jeffrey. 79 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: Yes, I need that everywhere I go from that. 80 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: One accompany my it's yes, Yes, I'm excited to be here. 81 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: We're so happy you're here. And frankly, you came to 82 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: us with a conspiracy theory that Bory we talked about. 83 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 3: I don't think either of us were very verse. 84 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 4: Then, not at all, not at all. 85 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't one that we were super aware of. 86 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: I think I had heard the words, you know what 87 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: I mean, like I had heard it talked about before, 88 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: but I had never done any version of a deep 89 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: dive in so this is really exciting. But you said, 90 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: my mama told me the Willie Lynch letter is real. 91 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: Indeed, Yes, I grew up in a very black area 92 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: and so we would talk about it all the time. 93 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: And when I went to a. 94 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: Black college and we were talking all the time about 95 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: it all the time with confidence. Little did we know 96 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: it's believed to actually not be real little yeah, believe 97 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: by who a lot of research of there's a lot 98 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: of research that says that some of the words using 99 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: the letter like actually didn't exist at the time that 100 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: the letter says that it's from. 101 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 4: And yeah, it's how they get you every time. 102 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: All these fact checkers wanting words to be the same 103 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: since seventeen whatever the fuck. 104 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 105 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So before we deep dive into all of this, 106 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: I guess let's begin right at the start. It tak 107 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: us through what this Willie Lynch letter is. Let's make 108 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 3: sure that our listeners are as versed as you are 109 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: in terms of what it is, what it represents, and 110 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: where it comes from for you. 111 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Willie Lunch Letter is a letter that black 112 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: people will love to cite when we're acting up and 113 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: it says, you know, because they say that some slave 114 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: owner taught American slave owners about how to control black 115 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: people without lynching them, and that was like to separate 116 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: us based on skin color and age and all sorts 117 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: of other stuff. But the letter appeared for the first 118 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: time to anyone's knowledge in the nineteen seventies, and no 119 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: one can really find like the true origin of this 120 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: letter that's from this slave owner Willy Lynch. 121 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so a slave owner named Willie Lynch, apparently in 122 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: Virginia in seventeen twelve. He's a British slave owner in 123 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: the West Indies. Apparently like goes in front of a 124 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: colony on the James on the bank of the James 125 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: River in seventeen twelve and gives this speech where he 126 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: explains to all the other slave owners like, Hey, I 127 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: know y'all have been having all kinds of issues with 128 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: your slaves. They keep on running away and not listening 129 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: to you and sucking off your your wives and shit 130 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: sucking their titties. They suck your wives titties all the time. 131 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: It's terrible. 132 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 4: I don't know. 133 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: No, I'm not good man. 134 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: What do you want to sound like? 135 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: You got forty Yeah he started he started as a 136 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: joking that it got like, you know. 137 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: You're freaky, you're freaking freaky. Yeah about talk about listen 138 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: what else was doing? Listen if y'all read a different 139 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: letter than me. Just say that, Just say you ain't 140 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: read the same letter as me. Don't try to embarrass me, 141 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 3: Just say, hey, our letters might have been a little different. 142 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: I cannot but in in this supposed speech, he explains 143 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: to all of them, hey, despite the problems that you're having, 144 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: I have insight on how to make it so that 145 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: your slaves never rebel so that you get the best 146 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 3: out of your your specifically black slaves, and then explains 147 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: in detail, supposedly how to how to fix all the 148 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: problems with the slaves. 149 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 150 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: And the funny thing is we use it now a 151 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: lot people will throw it out and be like, see, 152 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: this is what Willy Lynch, that's what he wanted, this 153 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: Willie Lynch figure. 154 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: Right. Well, let me ask you this, when you first 155 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: heard this, because you said you you grew up in 156 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: a place where it sounds like they were telling you, Yeah, 157 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: this is a real thing. When you first heard it, 158 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: were you bought in? Did you believe in the Willie 159 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: Lynch Lynch letter. 160 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: Old white men from the past being crazy and saying 161 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: crazy shit AE hundred. 162 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: It's not hard to believe. 163 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: It's easy to believe any conspiracy theory around a white 164 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: man from the past doing some crazy shit. 165 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: You should summarize. That's a piece of statement for this 166 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 4: entire program. 167 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: That didn't take much. 168 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't take much. 169 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't feel like, oh man, how where'd you 170 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 3: come up with this? This feels almost magical what you're suggesting, 171 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: a white man trying to control other people? 172 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 173 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And even if it is fake, I know a 174 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: white man fake that shit. 175 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 4: That's that's where I propose we start with this. Okay, 176 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 4: tell me who made it, if it was if it 177 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: wasn't fake, what is the benefit of faking this? It's 178 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 4: something more diabolical than I think I could wrap my 179 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: head around. But I think, you know, as a group effort, 180 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 4: we could really get to get Because that's that's the question, right, 181 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 4: if it's been debunked, the question is who put this 182 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: out and why? 183 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: Mmmmmm, Well, here's what Here's what I'll say is that 184 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: for me, the Willie Lynch letter feels like it's meant 185 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: to represent a bit of an allegory in the way 186 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: that like, we read like Bible stories and we aren't 187 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: necessarily supposed to believe that Goliath was like this giant 188 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: and David, you know, hit him with a sling shot, 189 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: whatever the fuck. 190 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 4: It was just a big factor. 191 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 3: It was just the biggest man in town. And frankly, 192 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: Elias couldn't fight for shit. But no, I think it's 193 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: meant to be an allegory, like you know that, like, hey, 194 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 3: straighten up, do try not to create these sort of 195 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: like in fights and negative relationships inside of our community. 196 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: And so I had always interpreted it, or at least 197 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: in my brief understanding of it, i'd interpreted it as 198 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: a black invention meant to teach black children and black 199 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 3: people to be the better version of themselves because of 200 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 3: the sinister work that white people are doing. But I'm 201 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: deeply fascinated with what y'all are suggesting of this actually 202 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: being a white invention, and I'd love to hear more 203 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: about that. 204 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: I mean, what you're saying makes the most sense, truly, 205 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 2: But like the citiful part of me is always like 206 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: this is so like crafty and sinister in. 207 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: A way that say it's sneaky weak. Yeah, we say 208 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 4: we call them blank eaters. 209 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: Well one of us calls them that. The other ones 210 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: never said that out loud before. 211 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I definitely feel like it's it's it 212 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 5: could go either way, But it just feels it's a 213 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 5: strange thing for a black person to craft, in my opinion, 214 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 5: because then, like you would they get into the minds 215 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 5: of like a Willy Lich. 216 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: But also, the more I say it, Willy Lynch sounds 217 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: like an invention of a black person. 218 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 4: Even that name, that is the initial thing that I 219 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 4: felt when it came to the table. That does not 220 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: sound like a like if you make me draw Willy 221 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: Lynch on a piece of paper, it does not look 222 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: like a bridge man. 223 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: From the West Indies. Get the funk out of here. 224 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 4: Where's some type of work where you. 225 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: You mean Willy Lynch, the nigga that brought the Black 226 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: Eyed Peas? Yeah, I know, Willie. You mean you mean 227 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: Willy Lynch would be yelling at his wife. Nobody's saying 228 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: nothing because it's crazy. Yeah, you know, we know Willy. 229 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: That's a fact. That's a fact. 230 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 6: Yeah. 231 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: The more we talk, I'm convinced it's a black black man. 232 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's fair because I think it's 233 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: like the name is not good. It's like when you 234 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 4: hear white people name fake rappers, you know what I mean, 235 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 4: It's not even grounded somewhere in any of the truth. 236 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 6: No. 237 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a little peat pop and it's like 238 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: ice banana. Yeah, you know you hate us so much 239 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 3: that you won't even do basic research to learn how 240 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 3: to make fun of us. 241 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all that always does hurt, where it's like 242 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 4: respect me enough to give me proper. 243 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: Really be That is my biggest issue with the way 244 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: that white people make fun of us is like I 245 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: really study y'all, you know what I mean, Like, I 246 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 3: really put in the work to make sure that, like 247 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: when I'm making fun of white people, I'm using all 248 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: of the correct weaponry to make this an effective ass argument. 249 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: And how many eighties sitcoms I had to watch know 250 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: that you look like Piercy Ally, Come on, don't do 251 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: that to me. 252 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: Well, that's okay. We are fluent in whiteness. 253 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we literally know everything about them and they 254 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: don't know when nothing anything. 255 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: It's it blows my mind when they don't notice. 256 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: I was explaining to a group of white people to 257 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: yesterday who Birdman was, and it's like, come on, that's 258 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: a major figure. That's a ship, that's not a that's 259 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: not a fly by night ass dude, He's He's a 260 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: big part of the community. 261 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: They love the big times. 262 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. They love the fucking big time and 263 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: they don't even know their name. That's crazy. 264 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: It's a few who do burden in I bet you 265 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 4: even less. No many fresh by name. 266 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: That's nuts. 267 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: The black famous thing is real, man. There's some people 268 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: who are black famous that white people do not. 269 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: They do not know who they are. Like shery Lee. 270 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: Rolph before she decided to sing when she won that Emmy. Yeah, 271 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: she was at a Hollywood reporter roundtable about being black 272 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: famous and how white people didn't recognize her, and half 273 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: of the white people who were standing up giving a 274 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: standing ovation had no idea who this older black lady was. 275 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 4: No, they didn't know how long it took me to 276 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: learn her name and stop calling her d Yeah, they 277 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: did not. 278 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: They're no fucking clue. But a bunch of black people 279 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: near them stood up and they didn't want to be 280 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: a yeah, yeah, she's right, she's right. 281 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 4: That works in our favorite like when you get them 282 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 4: the clap for like something they wouldn't have, like they 283 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: really didn't listen to any three six Mafia music even 284 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 4: after they won that Grammy. 285 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: You know that's true. 286 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's like, I'm glad they still got their ship. 287 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: People shitting on them for shouting out George Cloney, but 288 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty cool when they wanted to 289 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: osk her and they were like, Yo, shout out to 290 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: my man, George Cloney. You know, you know what it was. 291 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: They had a fun ass time with him in the 292 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: green room, and he had a fun ass time too, 293 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: and he didn't expect that to become public knowledge. And 294 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: they were like, nah, George, you was fucking around with 295 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: us back there, and we we fucked with you. 296 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 297 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: Man, I went to a party and no, hey, hey, 298 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: make sure you fight about it. Make sure you too 299 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: wrestled back and forth. 300 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: Let's go. 301 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: No. I was gonna say, there are so many white 302 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: people that black people secretly love. We don't talk about often, 303 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: But George on that list, Selei on that whole controversy 304 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: at the grammyes. We love Selene. That's our white aunt 305 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 2: who's married to our black uncle. We love her, Like yes. 306 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 3: That's the amount of the amount of pride of an 307 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 3: older version of me used to taking R Kelly writing 308 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: a song with Selene Dion. I thought that was so 309 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: fucking cool. I was like, yeah, Selene cool, she hang 310 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 3: out with R. Kelly and now in retrospect, that's not cool, Selene. 311 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 4: You don't take the feeling away, don't take. 312 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: You're right, I should keep that, keep the feeling. 313 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: Beyond. Jesus. 314 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: I really liked it. I thought it was really cool. 315 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: They made a great song together too. I don't know 316 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 3: if y'all have heard it, but. 317 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: It's I don't want to know that it exists. 318 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: No, they have a song together and it's gorgeous. I 319 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: swear it. 320 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: I want to see documentary about them meeting each other. 321 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: Meeting each other. I don't think Seleene Diona hung out 322 00:17:59,040 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: with R. 323 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 4: Kelly Man, That's how it went in my head. 324 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you think that they are. 325 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 4: Then he grew up to Canada. 326 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: Oh you don't think she came to his turn. 327 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: She would still be there. 328 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't think that there was spider lets her 329 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 4: fly like that and do his web and lets it go. Yeah. 330 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: I think that there were three little black girls roped 331 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: up in the background while she was sending her ballad. 332 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 4: Who I understand bitch too. 333 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 6: But swallow? Have you ever been swallowed up? Have you 334 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 6: gone through a time of swallowing where everything was overwhelmed me. 335 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 3: I'm reporting the news. If you cowards are afraid of that, 336 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: well then I suggest you find a new podcast to enjoy. 337 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 3: My god, so so roche. You are. You are a 338 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 3: young young person. You are, You are here during this 339 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 3: You are bought in. It sounds like, to some extent 340 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: at least beat by these older people telling you that 341 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: this is a real thing. How much are you sharing 342 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: this with another audience? How much are you being like, Hey, y'all, 343 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: have y'all heard the good news? Can I tell you 344 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: more about the Willie Lynch letter? 345 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: Of course, I feel like there was especially a college 346 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: because I went to Howard and so at Howard, you're 347 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: talking about slavery at the. 348 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: Club, at lunch out the yard before. 349 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: I threw it out many times as a way to 350 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: have win the conversation, win the debate, until I realized, 351 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 2: like somebody was like, girl, you know that's not real, right? 352 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, it's like when you find 353 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: out like Steve Harvey's hair, was it real? 354 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: It just it takes away like your childhood and it 355 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: makes you rethink everything. 356 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I was. 357 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: I was a firm believer in that airline and now 358 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 3: now nothing had to take. 359 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 4: His picture off the wall. 360 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 3: You had a Steve high Tower picture on the wall. 361 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: Just like is what you could have his hair As 362 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 4: an older man, I thought it was. Yeah, it was. 363 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 2: That was an aspirational hairline, like the lens. The way 364 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: that it just sat like it defied gravity. It was 365 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: it gave me hope. 366 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 3: It was for me, not even the precision of the 367 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: hairline itself, but it was the frequency, or rather the 368 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: lack of any evidence that it ever was out of 369 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 3: place that made me excited. Where it was like, damn, 370 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: my man, don't never get caught slipping once, like you 371 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 3: never caught Steve slipping even for a second, And that 372 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 3: should have been the biggest tell for all of us. 373 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: It wasn't the the actual hairline. It was that like, oh, 374 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: he don't have one off day. There's never there's never 375 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: even a moment where it's not exactly where it was before. 376 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And honestly, you know, after watching Kat 377 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: Williams interview, he said a lot of things. Some of 378 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: it was true, it was a lot, but the Steve 379 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: Harvey think I knew was a fact, and so it 380 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: gave a lot of credibility to everything else he said in. 381 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: My yah, I think that's true. 382 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: He said Steve was fake, and I was like, that's true. 383 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, And I don't want to speak out of turn, boy, 384 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: but I think we're firm believers in everything that Kat 385 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 3: Williams put out into the world. I think I believe it, 386 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 3: even in uh, even the things that I know to 387 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: be outright lies. I believe in the the emotional truth 388 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 3: of them in a way that I won't refute it. 389 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: What am I going to do? What am I going 390 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 3: to do? Argue with him? No, he's right, that man, 391 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 3: that man was right. 392 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 4: He's right, and he's fast. 393 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: He read three thousand books at eight years old in 394 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: his heart, and that's what matters. 395 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: Prove him wrong, is what I say, prove my mannron 396 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: exactly so roche. You believe it. You are spreading this 397 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: to others, and then somebody comes into your world and 398 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: sort of pops this bubble and says it isn't real. 399 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 3: How much of that have you then carried forth? Are 400 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: you now a person? Sort of like when the Willie 401 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: Lynch letter still gets brought up, because I imagine people 402 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: in your life are still occasionally being like, you know, 403 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: that's like the Willie Lynch letter or you know they 404 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: talked about that in the Willie Lynch Letter. How much 405 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: of that are you going, actually, y'all wake up that 406 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 3: shit ain't real? Or are you letting people continue to 407 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 3: live under this sort of allegorical umbrella. 408 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: The last one, I don't believe in correcting black people. 409 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. 410 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to debate it. 411 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm not I don't want to have to prove it. 412 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: I just keep believing this. This is my service to people. 413 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: Is having this doing this episode? 414 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: Yeah it does. I think that was beautifully put. There's 415 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 3: no reason to correct black people on some ship that 416 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: like they feel that passionately about. You just got to 417 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: kind of let that be. And to the cat Williams point, 418 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: an emotional truth even if it isn't a literal. 419 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,239 Speaker 2: One, and there's all this, like there's an article about it, 420 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 2: like they were like, yeah, it's probably not true, but 421 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: I mean there's a point there, right, and so like 422 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff is valid, So why argue 423 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: with your cousin about it? 424 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: Like get the peace, keep the peace, Bory, where before 425 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: we go to break? Where do you fall in this? 426 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: Are you a secret believer in the Willie Lynch letter. 427 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 3: Are you do you believe it to have still have 428 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: been written by a white person? What? What are you? 429 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: What are you feeling right this second? 430 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: I believe if maybe the specificity of Willy Lynch is 431 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: not if that is not real, I believe in the 432 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 4: possibility of something like this, like the idea of someone 433 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 4: giving maybe more sinister slave tactics to help owners with 434 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 4: with difficult that to me, like the specificity is maybe, like, 435 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 4: but that type of thing seems very realistic to me, 436 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 4: that you know what I mean. So maybe it wasn't 437 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: this one specific day, but yeah, I could see white 438 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 4: people trading nasty tactics to keep the subjugate people. 439 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: Okay, that this is more about, uh, like. 440 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 4: A sharing of information in that way, right, because that's 441 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 4: the idea of this, right, is that he did that 442 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 4: that one time and then they were all like, oh wow, 443 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 4: did you hear what Willie Lynch did? And they implemented 444 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 4: all these ideas. So maybe not like I said, like, 445 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 4: not that specific, but I think that idea. Yeah, I 446 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 4: do believe in that. 447 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: I like that he. 448 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 2: Did like a ted talk to them, right, and they 449 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: were like this this is the thing. 450 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: We gotta go spread the word. 451 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 4: And maybe if it wasn't one ted talk though it 452 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 4: was like some nasty, nasty man found out ways you 453 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 4: know what I mean. 454 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, a nasty man man. 455 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: I was. It was weird when I said it. I 456 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 4: thought if I said it more times, it would get 457 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 4: me out of it. 458 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: Nasty put some clothes on, I told you, Yeah, nasty 459 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 3: second cities, white titties. Yeah, I do. 460 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 4: Think I wish I did to say it so many times. 461 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 4: I three was a lot. I know that. 462 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: I do think to that point. One of the things 463 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 3: that does make me start to to if I were 464 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: to be swayed towards this being a white conception, it 465 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: does feel a little like proud that this man stood 466 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: on the river bank and he addressed the the various 467 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 3: slave owners who all gathered together, when in fact, if 468 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: we're really talking about what this shit probably was, well, 469 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: it was a drunk motherfucker at the bar being like 470 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: y'all gonna get y'all slaves to hate each other or 471 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: whatever it was. And it's not this glamorous sort of 472 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 3: like proud moment, but more just a sloppy alcoholic who 473 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: then planted a seed for a bunch of other evil 474 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: motherfuckers to go do some other shit. 475 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: That sounds about accurate. 476 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, that feels good. 477 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe we'll find out. We're gonna take a break, 478 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: We're gonna come back with more roche, Jeffrey more my 479 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: mama told me, and we're gonna keep talking about the 480 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 3: possibility that the Willie Lynch letter is is real. 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And then we 491 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 4: have t shirts that say proud little Mama, which is 492 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 4: who you are. 493 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can buy the merch now, go to my 494 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: mama told me dot Merchcentral dot com and we want 495 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 3: you to have all the sweet stuff, So get it. 496 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: Would you say that you're racist? 497 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 4: Not at all no, Look, I'm a dog. He's as 498 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 4: black as can be, and so are we. We are 499 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 4: back discussing. 500 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 3: Oh my god, seamless transition. 501 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 4: I've been working on it. Can you tell that. 502 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a part of my outro, my intro 503 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 2: to that audio wherever I go? 504 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 4: All right, I'm trying to put you in a position. 505 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 3: Oh man, We've talked a little bit about this, the 506 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: Willie Lynch of it all. One of the things that 507 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 3: sort of becomes an important part of all of this. 508 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 4: Is that this. 509 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 3: Slave owner, William Lynch again was said to have given 510 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: this speech in seventeen twelve, But there isn't a lot 511 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: of evidence of the individual actually being a person or 512 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: certainly like the individual is not traced anywhere specific there's 513 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: William Lynch of Lynch Law, or is at least a 514 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: person that is connected to the Lynch the terms of 515 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 3: the Lynch Law in Lynching who was born in seventeen 516 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 3: forty two and died in eighteen twenty who died or 517 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: he was basically seventy seven to seventy eight years old, 518 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: according to Wikipedia, But there isn't a lot of evidence 519 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: in his Wiikipedia or in his breakdown of him having 520 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: given this speech as much as he is just famous 521 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: for being a guy that they've connected. 522 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: To that, Yeah, there's a guy with the last named 523 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: Lynch who was doing some shit. 524 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's where it ends. 525 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 6: YEA. 526 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: Not a lot after that they just kind of go, yeah, William, 527 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: that seems like a guy who probably did some wild shit. 528 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: And there it is. 529 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 4: I mean to speak to the conspiracy theory, though, how 530 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 4: important is it that this guy was real or was not? 531 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. That's a good question, like if we're taking 532 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 4: the lessons from it that like like like does it matter? 533 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know. 534 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: I will say when I. 535 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: Maybe God didn't flood the earth for however long, but 536 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 4: I still don't want to covet my neighbor's wife, Like 537 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: does it need to be real? 538 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: That's a word. 539 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: I actually think that a lot of what's in the 540 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: Willie Lynch letters, I think there is some relevance today. 541 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: For sure, we do do a lot of things. The 542 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: letter says that we do. There's all sorts of stuff. 543 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: So whether it's it's true, maybe it's a fable maybe. 544 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: We could learn from. 545 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: And I do think it holds a lot of weight 546 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: to its very applicable to what's going on right now. 547 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 3: And I will call them what the fucking boy complete No, 548 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: nothing about that, I will say to that point. One 549 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: of the things that it reminds me of, and we've 550 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: talked about this before Borio on the podcast, it reminds 551 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 3: me of that supposed secret meeting that happened between all 552 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: the record executives in the nineties or the late eighties, 553 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: early nineties, whatever it was, where the supposed white record 554 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: executives all get together and they decide that gangster rap 555 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: is going to be the preferred music of choice so 556 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 3: that they can sort of like introduce larger rise is 557 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: a violence and drug use in the black community. And 558 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: I think that it's not we and we talked about 559 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: it on the episode. It's not not true that like 560 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 3: record executives made that choice. They just didn't make necessarily 561 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 3: have like some big formal meeting where Sony sat down 562 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: with Arista, sat down with whoever the fuck to make 563 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 3: it happen. 564 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 4: The unconscious mind is a powerful tool, right, Like maybe 565 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 4: these things weren't at the forefront, but it's like because 566 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 4: they felt these things about these people, they it moved 567 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 4: in that direction. 568 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's one hundred percent true. And I remember 569 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: weirdly watching a documentary years ago. It was actually a 570 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 3: documentary I used to teach with that was narrated by 571 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: Esther Role. You guys remember Estrole from Good Times. Esther 572 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 3: Role was a part of this documentary where it was 573 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: sort of talking about the specifically the propaganda around how 574 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: much of our history in America is just rooted in 575 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 3: white propaganda that like, basically in reconstruction, right, slavery ends 576 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: and they have to suddenly employ black people, or at 577 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 3: least in theory, black people have options to free themselves 578 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: or be free and employ themselves and like live inside 579 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: of society, and white people aren't figuring out quickly enough 580 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: how to make money off of that shit or how 581 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 3: to take advantage of it. And one of the things 582 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: that they talked about is that like they started introducing 583 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 3: imagery relating to black people as a way of depressing 584 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: our successes. That the image of a black man who 585 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 3: loves watermelon and is lazy and all of that shit 586 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 3: was just them trying to use propaganda to make it 587 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: so that we couldn't get jobs. That they were basically 588 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 3: being like, oh, the black man is lazy and he 589 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 3: don't do no work, So that's why you shouldn't employ him, 590 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: because he's not really he actually really wishes he could 591 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: just be a slave again, because with his free mind, 592 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: he'll just be lazy and won't do nothing. And the 593 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 3: watermelon became an image just because they wanted something that 594 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 3: was shaped like our smiles, like big fucking watermelon smiles. 595 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 3: So they picked that as a way of selling it, 596 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 3: and then that becomes our relationship to watermelon for another 597 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty years or whatever it is. 598 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 2: So what you're saying is white people are really great 599 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: at branding, and people are. 600 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: And they are. 601 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: And also the thing too about like black folks and 602 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: our conspiracy theories is that a lot of them are 603 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: really about helping us overcome issues. 604 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: Or deal with stuff. 605 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: I mean, we also had some stupid things floating around, 606 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: but usually these kinds of like this Willie Lynch letter 607 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: is an example of like black people saying, hey, like 608 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: this is how we come together. The Tommy He'll Figure 609 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 2: thing that was made up, like you know that he 610 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 2: said that he didn't want to sell to black people. 611 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: If anything, to me, that was black people being like 612 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: we need to invest in our own clothing brand. You know, 613 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: I think that a lot of our conspiracy theories are 614 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: actually meant to help us as opposed to harmus. 615 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 3: I like that that that has an optimism to it 616 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 3: that that maybe no, yeah, it certainly isn't in my heart, 617 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 3: but I didn't think about it that way, you know 618 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like I think when I heard the 619 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: Tommy Hill figure thing, I was just like, damn, that 620 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 3: was real mean to Tommy Hunt. But but no, there 621 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 3: is there is maybe an optimism to it where it's like, 622 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 3: maybe this is just reminding black people that we don't 623 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: have to invest our entire community into this brand, that 624 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 3: even if he's not outwardly saying it, is not truly 625 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 3: invested in the growth of the black people. Yeah, that's 626 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 3: that's beautiful. I really like it. 627 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I've al making that, but I. 628 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 4: Mean no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, we are 629 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 4: not gonna correct you. 630 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: No what I would like to think, that's what I now. 631 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: Let that marinate for a yeah, to the point of 632 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: making things up. In that same documentary, one of the 633 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 3: things that they pointed out is that, you know, reconstruction happens. 634 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 3: They try to make black people lazy. That doesn't stick 635 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 3: well enough because Black people continue to sort of like 636 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 3: build and create and Harlem Renaissance, all the cool things 637 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 3: are sort of like happening for us in the world, 638 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 3: despite the massive propaganda efforts to make us look like 639 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: fucking idiots. And one of the things that they intentionally 640 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: do then is they go, Okay, black people aren't lazy, 641 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 3: they're violent, and they start introducing all these images of 642 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 3: us with razor blades, so they every fucking picture of 643 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 3: black people suddenly is no longer We're lazy, big old watermelon, 644 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 3: smiley motherfuckers. We have razor blades in every picture, and 645 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 3: we'll cut you, and we're violent, we're old, we're sick 646 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 3: with our violence, and that becomes the image that they 647 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 3: start to circulate because now it's, oh, we can't be 648 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: near them because of the dangers that they represent. 649 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy how black people are everything? Like, there's 650 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: so many stereotypes about black people that at some point 651 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 2: it's like what it's like the contradictory is like they're stupid, 652 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 2: they're docile, they're cunning, they're violent. Like the men aren't 653 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 2: masculine and violent, they're feminine. 654 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: There's like, it's. 655 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 2: All the women are this, They're slutty, they're undesirable, they're this. 656 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: There's like, what is it? 657 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 2: What? Yeah, pick a pick a lane for us, give 658 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 2: us one thing to stick to. 659 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that would be nice. I would like it 660 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 3: if they just picked one lane. 661 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 2: Just give us one thing violent. Okay, we can work 662 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 2: with that. It's just it's everything, it's chaotic. 663 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, what what stereotype? You choose them for us? Which 664 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 3: one do you want to be? We get to make 665 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 3: a choice. 666 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 4: Now it's obvious front runners, right uh. 667 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 3: And and none of the easy obviously big dick. That's 668 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 3: just a fact. Okay. 669 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 4: Well uh then I'll go back to the drying. 670 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 6: Yeah. 671 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 4: I think I think we could do a lot with 672 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 4: the sneaky one. That's how they got on. 673 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're sneaking, Louis. 674 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 4: He had a purchase sneaky as fuck? 675 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 3: Was sneaky? You crafty motherfuckers sneak. 676 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 4: I'll take sneaky. 677 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 3: That's Nigga's not bad, a good one. And I'm not 678 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 3: gonna name which specific groups, but. 679 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 4: We so I thought you weren going to do one. 680 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, I'm not gonna do it. 681 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 3: But but we can name a few groups who have 682 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 3: really thrived under the sneaky stereotype, Dave, they can we 683 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 3: they've been called sneaky and they've been fine with it 684 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 3: and they continue to fucking thrive. 685 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 4: Oh weird legs just hit the chat, it says Armenian. 686 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,919 Speaker 4: That's crazy. I don't even. I don't even. I didn't 687 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 4: even know we had a chat feature. No, I just 688 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 4: kidd say anything, throw everyone here, Please give us money. 689 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 3: Please give us money. Uh but no, I do think 690 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 3: snicky is in a bad room, Brochet. If you had 691 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 3: to pick one, you where where what would you pick? 692 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 3: I mean, I. 693 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 2: Would say sexy. 694 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'll be honest. I didn't know that was. 695 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 3: I didn't know that was on the table. 696 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 4: I think it is. 697 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say we sexy. 698 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 3: I I I don't think it's not on the table. 699 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 3: I just didn't think that that was like what the 700 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 3: slave owners were walking around sort of struggling with. Damn it, 701 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 3: they're sexy. 702 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 4: He's in the field glistening just to city and masterpiece. 703 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: A lot of almost twenty three and me's look interesting 704 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 2: because they got master in their fucked up minds. Yeah, 705 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 2: thought that so I'm just saying. 706 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 3: No, that's fair. Sex is pretty good. 707 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 4: Which did you take so stupid? Either, we're power ranking 708 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 4: our favorite stereotypes. 709 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 710 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 3: I I like, If I'm being completely honest, I do 711 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 3: like that white people are nervous around us, and I 712 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 3: don't want that. I don't want to lose that. So 713 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 3: so unapproachable I think is it's still one that I 714 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 3: I enjoy enough that that I I don't want to 715 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 3: lose that, and I wish that it was unapproachable. But 716 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 3: they still thought of us as very intelligent and very capable, 717 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 3: so that they knew not to come near us. But 718 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 3: we still benefited from all the respect that you would 719 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: gain from somebody knowing that you're smart, capable. Person that said, 720 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 3: they mixed the metaphors and it becomes the ugly thing. 721 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 3: But I don't I don't like when they just feel 722 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 3: super comfortable with me. So I'm sticking with unapproachable. 723 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think these were three really good picks. 724 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you're out there and you're thinking about 725 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 3: spreading stereotypes about black people, we're sexy. Hey, hey we're sexy, 726 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 3: We're unapproachable, and god damn it, we're sneaky in the motherfuckers. 727 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 4: So that's the quip for this episode. 728 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 3: That's crazy, sexy cool. No, you got one of them right, 729 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 3: one is correct, the other two. 730 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 2: That's our album Man. 731 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 4: Sexy, sneaky, unapproachable. It sounds like a tank album. 732 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: That feels like real to be honest. 733 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And who's a better black person than Rihanna. I'll 734 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 3: wait for you to name. 735 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 4: Is a top tier. 736 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 3: That's that's cream of deck crop. We're calling upon you 737 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 3: because we have we have new merch. We have very 738 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 3: exciting merch that we are now selling and it's it's 739 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 3: fucking great. We love it so much. 740 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 4: Just sleek, it's sexy. 741 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 3: Come on, you want to tell them what we have? 742 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, we have three different types of hats, which is 743 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 4: really fun. We have a two tone hat Alien Dad hat, 744 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 4: the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then we have 745 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 4: the enamel pin with an alien who has a coofie 746 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 4: on it since my Mama told me. And then we 747 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 4: have t shirts that say proud little Mama, which is 748 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 4: who you are. 749 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can buy the merch now, go to my 750 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 3: Mama told me dot Merchcentral dot com, and we want 751 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 3: you to have all the sweet stuff, so get it. 752 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 3: I do think at its core, the Willie Lynch letter 753 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 3: is probably not real. I think we can we can 754 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 3: maybe agree on it on its existence not being true, 755 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 3: but maybe it's value to our community still being something 756 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 3: worth holding on to. It's it seems like it still 757 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 3: has a value for us to cherish, and we shouldn't 758 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 3: just throw that away simply because we made up a 759 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 3: white man and decided to tell people about it. 760 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 2: I don't disagree. I think there's value in it. When 761 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 2: I read it, I'm like, Yeah, this feels about right, 762 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 2: and I think we should continue to teach kids that 763 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: it's real. 764 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 765 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 4: And one of the things, if they can push a 766 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 4: white Jesus, you can damn sure. 767 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 768 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,240 Speaker 3: If there's a white Jesus, there's also a white devil. 769 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 3: And and y'all have to make peace with that. You 770 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 3: have to make peace with the fact that this is 771 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 3: he represents the white devil for us and we need him. 772 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: It's like, I want this episode to do well. I 773 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,959 Speaker 1: also don't want anybody to hear it because I don't 774 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: want him to know. 775 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 3: I don't want to ruin Santa clause. 776 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I want to ruin it 777 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 1: for people. 778 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 4: That's how I feel every week. 779 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 3: And I and I do leave cookies out for Willie 780 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 3: Lynch once the year, a little dry ass cookies. 781 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: I gotta get your kid to write a letter to yeh. 782 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 3: I say to my daughter, I say, baby girl, we 783 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,439 Speaker 3: we gotta write our letters. You gotta go to bed early. 784 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 3: Willie Lynch is coming. Willie Lynch is gonna come, and 785 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 3: he's gonna. 786 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 4: And you don't want to see him because he's drunk. 787 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 3: He's drunk, terrified. He's gonna. He's gonna make you hate 788 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 3: your daddy. But but he's coming. Parts of him, parts 789 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 3: of him, parts of parts of them. Your respect more 790 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 3: than you realize your your respect him really really Santa Claus, Uh, 791 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 3: I think we did it. 792 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 4: That feels like a good that was because this was 793 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 4: this is an important episode. 794 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 3: This was an important episode. We're really roch, We're honored 795 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 3: you joined us. Could you tell the people where they 796 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 3: could bind you on? What cool ship you have going on? 797 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:39,479 Speaker 2: Yeah? 798 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: Find me roche r O C H E E. 799 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 2: Jeffrey on Instagram and yeah, the nw A C P 800 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 2: image rewards vote for not for uh, what's. 801 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: The goddamn name? Yes, we campus. Uh, support us. I'm 802 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: blacking out. 803 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 3: You made it. 804 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 2: It's really mad that what just happened. Uh yeah, and 805 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 2: you performing stand up everywhere. And it's been such a 806 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 2: joy to join you guys today. 807 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,839 Speaker 3: We're glad you were here. 808 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 4: Bory. 809 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 3: You want to tell the people where they commind you? 810 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 4: No, all right? 811 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 6: Uh. 812 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 4: February twenty ninth, watch Royal Crackers on Adult Swimming in 813 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 4: the next day on HBO Max. You gotta watch it. 814 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 4: My I need I need money. 815 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 3: It's very funny. Let's not short change it. 816 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 4: So it's a very funny show. I'm on every episode. 817 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 3: You're very funny in it. I enjoy your character maybe 818 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 3: the most of all the characters in it. And I 819 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 3: don't just say that as your your your partner in 820 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 3: this ship. 821 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 4: Wow, that's really sweet. 822 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: That was a really beautiful moment. 823 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really really nice. I'm sorry I said that 824 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:43,439 Speaker 4: stuff about your. 825 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah no, you you really fucked me back there, but. 826 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,720 Speaker 4: I was lashing out. Man, it's been a weird day. 827 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 4: I'll tell and I'll tell the audience. I got my 828 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 4: ship pushed back today. Yeah, and it's everything's been on. 829 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, your hairline is is Uh, it's not what 830 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 3: it was previously. It's safe to say. 831 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 4: My I mean, my confidence is We've had some hair 832 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 4: issues on this podcast, so I feel like it's just 833 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 4: it's not so bad. But no, it's not. 834 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 3: It's not as bad as you feel about it. 835 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 4: But you compare that to how I usually feel leaving 836 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 4: the barbershop, and I'll be honest, my confidence isn't an 837 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 4: all time low. 838 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 2: You. 839 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say that that's the hoodie thing. It's just 840 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 4: you were doing something daring with fashion and I was 841 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 4: old fashioned and that's not cool. Man. 842 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 3: You you are a man who, for for as long 843 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 3: as we've been doing this, I think, has really believed 844 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,240 Speaker 3: in that young man who's been cutting your hair. You've 845 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 3: you've stood behind him. 846 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 4: I still do. I still players fuck up. 847 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, no, you you really stood. You really had 848 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 3: his back, and he hurt you in a way that 849 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 3: I think I think you got to confront him. Yeah, 850 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 3: you gotta say, like a bro, not for nothing. Last 851 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 3: week wasn't your best work and we gotta get back on. 852 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 4: What if you did this before I got to Miami. 853 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,399 Speaker 4: Come on, I go in before trips like, yeah, I'm 854 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,240 Speaker 4: home this week, But what if this was before Miami Weekend. 855 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 3: We we gotta, we gotta treat everything like this. Every 856 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 3: day is game day. 857 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,720 Speaker 4: Everybody thinks on my Hillbilly, I live in the mountain. 858 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 4: You can't come on, bro, And he's like, twenty six, 859 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 4: you're too young for this. NOA, maybe quit telling me 860 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 4: how your dad puts you on living single and more 861 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 4: focused on my hairline not getting pushed back. 862 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say right now, I'm concerned about when you 863 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 2: go back the next time. If you listen to this, 864 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 2: he might deliberately fuck up your hairlining. 865 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 4: He listens to this in the way that a barber 866 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 4: consumes your content. Yeah, any deeper than five minutes, I promise. 867 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 3: My Barbara listened, quote unquote listen to some episodes. But 868 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't think that Nigga's making it to the end. 869 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 4: I don't know that's he's. 870 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 3: Making it to the credits. You know what I mean? Like, 871 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 3: we're good. 872 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 4: And I'm going back, so you know who the fault 873 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 4: is that right now? You guys don't know him like 874 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 4: God do. Though he loves me, Ye. 875 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 3: This is just a one time there. He would never 876 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 3: hit me again. 877 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 4: No, sometimes love hurts, that's a dark end. The point 878 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 4: is watch that television pots. 879 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 3: As always and subscribe. Yeah, like subscribe to the things 880 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 3: that's always. You can follow me at Langston Kerman on 881 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 3: all social media platforms if you were in the Chicago area. 882 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 3: I believe there are still just a few tickets left 883 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 3: for our special taping February nineteenth at the Green Mill. 884 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 3: You can buy those tickets. I would love for y'all 885 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 3: to be there. Go to my mama told me dot 886 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 3: merchcentral dot com. There are hats, there are pins, there 887 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 3: are all court sorts of cool things that you should 888 00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 3: check out. 889 00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 4: Shirts. 890 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 3: I think I covered all the stuff that you can buy. 891 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 3: Hatspin shirts, That's pretty much it, and they're they're all 892 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 3: great and we would love for you to be wearing 893 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 3: the merch and very exciting. We are planning some more 894 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 3: live dates, uh in the near future. We we are 895 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 3: not going to announce them just yet, but there's gonna 896 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 3: be a little more live ship for y'all to be 897 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,880 Speaker 3: able to check out that will tell you about in 898 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 3: the near future. 899 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 4: Let's just say, keep my birthday open. 900 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 3: Keep Bory's birthday open. Sinko Spanish, the boys Spanish deeply 901 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 3: demard yes, and that's the that's the whole shebang. Bye bitch, 902 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:53,839 Speaker 3: Chips in your. 903 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 4: Kalis, A racist. 904 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 3: The oas a players owls and money h. 905 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,760 Speaker 2: A man of turkey stuffering. 906 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 4: I can't help me that