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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Giants, Dont come. I like it out on

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Speaker 1: Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: It's a Baldie breakdown edition of The Giants Little Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Baldi's good to talk to, man.

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Speaker 1: It's been a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: How you been.

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Speaker 5: I've been good, John, like everybody else, you know, Mike,

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Speaker 5: I have my time off. I'm you know, one hundred

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Speaker 5: percent geared up to the draft right now. Just breaking

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Speaker 5: down you know, some perspective. Uh, you know, guys that

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Speaker 5: we think are gonna go probably look at the top

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Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty players down. I can't get It's

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Speaker 5: just hard to get deeper than that at this point.

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Speaker 5: But you know, that's that's where I'm at. We've we've

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Speaker 5: done everything else, We've done, the combine, we've done.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're starting for the pro days here, so

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna see some of these progeins. I'll see Colorado,

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Speaker 5: I'll see Miami, LC, Penn State, here in the next

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Speaker 5: two weeks, so I'm kind of looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my goal is always if I can put eye

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Speaker 3: is on all the guys that are drafted in like

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Speaker 3: the first four rounds, I feel pretty good about the

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Speaker 3: work that I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's that.

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Speaker 5: But that's that, you know, as you know, to do

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Speaker 5: just four rounds, that is an awful lot of work.

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Speaker 2: I remember real quick.

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Speaker 5: I remember one day I was with Bill Parcels and

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Speaker 5: we were with Ron Wolf and we were just talking about,

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Speaker 5: you know, just evaluation, and he said, Rob Wolf, you're

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Speaker 5: still using green Bay at the Tom John And he

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Speaker 5: said to me that he himself studied eight hundred players,

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Speaker 5: but him and his staff studied eleven hundred players.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just.

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Speaker 5: Blown away, like, how do you how do you watch

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Speaker 5: eight I don't even know how you get to eight hundred?

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, so you know what I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about the phrages, But I want to just follow up

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Speaker 3: on this real quick. How much do you have to

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Speaker 3: see of each player? Because I always struggle baldly on

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Speaker 3: when to stop. I always worry that if I don't

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Speaker 3: watch the next game, I'm going to miss something, some

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Speaker 3: critical thing that didn't happen in one of the games

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Speaker 3: that I watch. You know, we're looking now with like,

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Speaker 3: you don't have to watch games, right, you can just

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Speaker 3: watch targets. You can kind of get through the guys quick.

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Speaker 3: But for quarterbacks. I got him sitting there. I'm on

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Speaker 3: like game six for cam Ward and I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think I've seen everything I need to see. But

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Speaker 3: what happens if you make some improvement in like that

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Speaker 3: final game of the year. So what's your process for

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Speaker 3: figuring out like when to stop on these guys.

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Speaker 5: I try to make honestly quick evaluations, and then I

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Speaker 5: might go, for example, if you're looking at Kyle McCord,

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Speaker 5: you watch them against Miami, you're like, wow, you love

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Speaker 5: Colin McCord.

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Speaker 2: You watch Vince Pittsburgh hat Colin McCord, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, so then you go, Okay, I love him, I

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Speaker 5: hate him, but let me go watch something. Let me

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Speaker 5: watch two games in between, and then I'll come up

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Speaker 5: with my final. Then you talk to the kid, Then

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Speaker 5: you love the kid.

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Speaker 2: You know. So that's I don't know if there's an

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Speaker 5: I think everybody sort of falls into that trap at

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Speaker 5: right here is I'm one year. All I did was

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Speaker 5: I remember was here. Darrell Reeves came in two thousand

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Speaker 5: all kinds of great things about Reeves. Let me see

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Speaker 5: I found him like on a third play. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 5: I don't know anything about him. Let me go find

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Speaker 5: I watch it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, we're gonna have all the on before

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Speaker 3: the draft, so we can kind of get into to

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Speaker 3: all of this as well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I think trying to block out the extra, the outside

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Speaker 1: You think about the guy.

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Speaker 3: I think that can be difficult too, given everything that

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Speaker 3: we'll kind of absorb looking at the media and everything.

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Speaker 3: But we'll talk about that in a month of what

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Speaker 3: we do our freeze of episode Freezing Baldy, where would

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Speaker 3: you like to start with the Giants editions? I will

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Speaker 3: let you which guy do you.

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Speaker 5: Think is I was a huge fan of Pulson and Deebo.

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Speaker 5: I mean, anytime you watch New Orleans play, I mean

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't have the numbers in front

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Speaker 5: man coverage than New Orleans. You know what Lattimore, Alonte Taylor,

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Speaker 5: Paulson and Deebo. I mean, they were a man coverage team.

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Speaker 5: That's what Dennis Allen did, and they challenged the receivers

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Speaker 5: and challenged the quarterback. And he's just really sticky. Now

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Speaker 5: sometimes he's too sticky. General he does commit penalties, he

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Speaker 5: he's a long corner. He's a Stanford kid, and until

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Speaker 5: he broke his leg this year, I mean he was

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Speaker 5: putting up really good numbers.

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Speaker 5: You know, if it was a knee injury and achilles,

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Speaker 5: to heal. I feel good that he's gonna be fine

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Speaker 5: he's you know, it's he played four years in Orleans.

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Speaker 5: They played the same style there. You know what, You're

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Speaker 5: dead a guy that loves the challenge receivers. He's got

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Speaker 5: good ball skills. He's got ten receptions here. When he

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Speaker 5: you know there's something there about how he finds some football.

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Speaker 5: I felt like the Giants got good value for a

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Speaker 5: really good player. And then Javon Holland has been one

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Speaker 5: Like I remember Maurice Jones, Drew tell me about him

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Speaker 5: because he coached him when he was young before he

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Speaker 5: a guy that's a great tackler. He's a true he's

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Speaker 5: He's got very good range. He did get hurt this

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Speaker 5: I think I think Miami is gonna have one, and

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Speaker 2: Somebody high, they're gonna a hard time replacing Javon Holme.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I want to touch on both these guys.

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Speaker 3: Since you ended on Holland, why don't we start there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think What gets me excited about putting Holland with

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Speaker 3: completely interchangeable.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Both guys can do everything.

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Speaker 3: They can play deep, they can play a single high,

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Speaker 3: they can play split deep, they can play in the box.

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Speaker 1: Both guys have played in the slot.

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Speaker 3: And when you're trying to run that discuss type of

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Speaker 3: then rotate off of that. I think having two safeties

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Speaker 5: No question, John, It's good observation. You have to be

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Speaker 5: interchangeable at the safety position. You just do because of

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Speaker 5: will come. So Javon was one of those guys that

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Speaker 2: Able to do all of those different things and a broad.

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Speaker 5: Now they've gone through three coordinators in the last three years,

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Speaker 2: About safeties, you have to do exactly what you said.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's playing basically three safeties at some point, depending on

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Speaker 2: But if you could pare him with.

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Speaker 5: A young guy like Tyler who had a good rookie

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Speaker 5: him kind of grow with experience, I think that's going

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Speaker 3: And I think the amazing thing is that Howand is

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Speaker 3: one year. Holland's entering his fifth. They're only basically one

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Speaker 3: I was surprised at looking at Howard on tape BALLDY.

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Speaker 3: because I remember when I watched him coming out of Oregon,

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Speaker 3: had one year in Miami even where he was really.

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Speaker 1: Good at getting to the football.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they can unlock him a little bit

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Speaker 5: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but Citizens does makes sense of your

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Speaker 3: And then the final thing on Holland, the one thing

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Speaker 5: And you're talking to him, John, you know, he's very

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Speaker 2: I only hear my defense from where we.

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Speaker 5: Stand and watch Giants practice on those days, I only hear, Like,

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Speaker 5: Like, I got to hear these guys, and I think

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to Paul's and Adebo and you're right,

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Speaker 2: I hope so.

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Speaker 5: he was thinking, without talking to Shane about this, maybe

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Speaker 5: he's just like, let's just keep it in front.

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Speaker 5: You know, we were trying to find a third corner

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Speaker 2: Let's just try to keep it in front of us.

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Speaker 5: Listen, try to do too much, you know, listen to

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking that was part of the process.

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Speaker 2: A lot more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny watching a debo. I went back.

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Speaker 3: I washed all his interceptions right, just see how he

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Speaker 1: Man, there were some zone plays where he's watching the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: There was a play in the red zone where Mike

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Speaker 5: Ball go to Cole Comet. He was in zone coverage

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I'm with you, so again I again a

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Speaker 5: If you're impressed man, and you know, presumably because maybe

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Speaker 2: You know, if they're running go routes on you, you they

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Speaker 5: By you, but you know the important thing is to

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Speaker 2: Be able to do things that we all saw on tape.

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Speaker 2: Yep, well that's what Dallas did, you know.

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Speaker 5: Right now, I'm that front.

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Speaker 2: You know, Michael was so dominant on that front.

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Speaker 5: A little bit who they resigned, But I think I

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Speaker 2: But I feel like he was a part.

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Speaker 5: Of that early on, even when he wasn't you know,

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Speaker 3: And Dallas didn't use him as much in this role

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Speaker 1: More than you would like.

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Speaker 3: I like him as an edge setter, a guy that

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Speaker 2: We can't get beat.

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Speaker 5: By tight ends if you're a defensive an outside linebacker

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Speaker 5: And so it's just a fundamental to me that my

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Speaker 2: It's a mentality that you got to have.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny, Bully, That's what he said when I

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Speaker 3: You guys can find an interview on the Giants YouTube

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Speaker 1: And this is but it is.

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Speaker 5: It's when I see it happening, I'm going they don't

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Speaker 5: Maybe George Kittle, maybe one, but there's there's not five

441
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Speaker 5: of them in this league that should block my starting

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Speaker 5: end or outside linebacker one on one.

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Speaker 2: They're just not good enough.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: dot com slash Giants. All right, boy, let's go through

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Speaker 3: a couple of these guys real quick. We don't spend

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Speaker 3: a ton of time on them. I'll put him in groops.

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Speaker 3: A couple of depth defensive tackles here. Roy Robertson Harris

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Speaker 3: and Jeremiah led Better, two guys that come over from Jacksonville,

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Speaker 3: played a lot of snaps there, and I think the

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Speaker 3: Giants was just looking for some steady run defense to

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Speaker 3: put next to the decks to Lawrence on early downs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look Tom, that's exactuent there the rotational

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Speaker 5: players and you know Broughte, Roy Robinson, Harris. I remember

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Speaker 5: when Urban Piper went there to be the head coach.

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Speaker 5: I was down there that year and he really liked

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Speaker 5: he liked him. I mean, you brought him.

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Speaker 2: Up to me.

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Speaker 5: What do you think of this guy, like, well, it's

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Speaker 5: just a second year player, you know, Urban, but honestly,

474
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Speaker 5: like he's got length, he's got some size to him.

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Speaker 5: He can, you know, he can be in your rotation

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Speaker 5: and that's kind of what he has been. And Jacksuville

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Speaker 5: same what led Better. So they're they're just that you're there.

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Speaker 5: You're seventh and eighth or sixth and seventh defensive linemen

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Speaker 5: on most game days and probably not going to start.

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Speaker 2: But they can give you snaps and that's what you want.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right, Let's go to the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: A couple of swing tackles that have played a lot

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Speaker 3: of snaps that right tackle and left tackle. Now you

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Speaker 3: can argue how effective some of those snaps were. But

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Speaker 3: James Hudson and Stone Forsyth Hudson coming over from the Browns,

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Speaker 3: Forsyths coming over from the Seahawks. Both guys ironically played

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Speaker 3: against the Giants this year in the games. Two games

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Speaker 3: of Giants won your thoughts on trying to add a

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Speaker 3: little bit of depth there. So the situation isn't quite

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Speaker 3: as dire when Andrew Thomas might have to miss a

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Speaker 3: couple of games with an injury.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you have more capable people. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you just do right now.

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Speaker 5: And so you know, Hudson has started it right, he

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Speaker 5: started at left. He's he's coming in like Cleveland has

496
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Speaker 5: gone through all kinds of issues at the tackle position

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Speaker 5: over the last three years. The interior they've been okay,

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Speaker 5: I mean, actually pretty good, but the tackle position has

499
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Speaker 5: had a lot of issues. And then look, he's filled

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Speaker 5: in admirable and they've been a run first team, heavy

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Speaker 5: play action pass team. You would think, no matter what

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Speaker 5: the Giants do at quarterback, that that's going to be

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Speaker 5: part of the plan, and he's played well. He's played

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Speaker 5: well in those parts. He hasn't been good enough to

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Speaker 5: go win the job outright. But they've also drafted guys

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Speaker 5: Jedrick Wills and you know some of these guys, Dwan Jones.

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Speaker 2: They've drafted these guys to be starters.

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Speaker 5: Conklin has been a high price free agent, so he's

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Speaker 5: been a guy that has filled in and played capably.

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Speaker 5: You know, at that position stone Ford site. All I've

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Speaker 5: seen him is that right tackle. I don't believe he's

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Speaker 5: played otherwise. I don't think he's going to the left side.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's going inside. He's been a big

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Speaker 5: guy that has played some right tackle there in Seattle

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Speaker 5: and has some success. They haven't had a losing season

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Speaker 5: in Seattle over the last three years that he's been there,

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Speaker 5: so he's played on winning teams. Teams even when Pete

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Speaker 5: Carroll was there, they were kind of a run first team.

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Speaker 5: I think he's a better run blocker than his past blocker.

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Speaker 5: But they have fallen apart when Andrew is going out

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Speaker 5: and they just can't afford We all know how they

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Speaker 5: try to patch it up when he's gone down. Over

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Speaker 5: the last couple of seasons and when he's not in there,

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Speaker 5: they're not a very good front. They needed some veteran guys,

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Speaker 5: especially when you look at Hudson that can go out

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Speaker 5: there and start for you if you have to hopefully

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Speaker 5: you don't get to that, or if they got to

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Speaker 5: fill in and finish a game.

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Speaker 2: At least they got a guy that's capable of doing

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Speaker 2: that right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Forsyde got two hundred and twenty snaps when Charles

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Speaker 3: Cross has hurt a lot in twenty twenty three at

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Speaker 3: left tackle, but otherwise he has been exclusively on the

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Speaker 3: right side. But he is of some experience that But

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Speaker 3: I agree, I see a much more as a guy

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Speaker 3: that you're gett to put on the right side, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, And then two kind of linebackers, special teams players.

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Speaker 3: We don't got to go deep onto this, but Chris

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Speaker 3: board who's at this a long time, He's been with

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Speaker 3: the Ravens on two separate occasions. That to me is

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Speaker 3: important because of the way the organization that the Ravens

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Speaker 3: are that they would bring him back after he left

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Speaker 3: shows you what they think of him. And then Demetrius

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Speaker 3: Flannagan falls from the forty nine ers again, I think

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Speaker 3: two guys from two good organizations that will give you

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Speaker 3: important things on special teams and as a backup insidelinebacker.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing.

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Speaker 5: About both those organizations are how they value linebackers. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Ravens made Rokwan Smith the highest paid

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Speaker 5: linebacker in football two years ago when they traded for him.

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Speaker 5: You know, when you look at you know, you look

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Speaker 5: at Warner in San Francisco, I mean, he's he's one

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Speaker 5: of the three best linebackers on football. So how they

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Speaker 5: see the game, how they study the game, They've learned

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Speaker 5: from two of the very best in his whole business.

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Speaker 5: And then I always think this John, I feel like,

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Speaker 5: I know, the kickoff return has largely been sort of

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Speaker 5: kind of thrown away here with the new rules, but

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Speaker 5: there's some teams that put the ball in play and

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Speaker 5: they want to cover kicks. And I always believe your

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Speaker 5: kickoff coverage team is an extension of your defense. Largely,

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Speaker 5: your kickoff coverage team is all defenders, their safeties, there's

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Speaker 5: some corners in their linebackers. That's who covers your kicks.

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Speaker 5: And when I like, for example, in New Orleans this year,

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Speaker 5: they put the ball in play a bunch, and they

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Speaker 5: wanted they wanted to challenge their coverage team to tackle

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Speaker 5: inside the thirty and not just give them a thirty

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Speaker 5: yard line. And so I feel like both these guys

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Speaker 5: are comfortable organizations. We're special teams. Special teams in San

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Speaker 5: Francisco was awful last year and they changed coaches.

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Speaker 2: But in Baltimore it's always been strong.

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Speaker 5: And and so I feel like my backup linebackers, they're

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Speaker 5: covering kicks that balls in play, we're directionally kicking it.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's trap them up to twenty five. Let's give

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Speaker 5: these guys a chance to go beat some blocks and

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Speaker 5: go cover the kick.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's an extension.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm with you. All right, Let's get to the

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Speaker 3: elephant of the room. Just so fans understand, we're recording

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Speaker 3: this at ten right now. It's ten twenty seven am

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday. We're going to try to post us today

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Speaker 3: so we don't get behind any of the news. But

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Speaker 3: the Giants don't have a quarterback Baldy, and they're not

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Speaker 3: the only team in this situation. The Pittsburgh Steelers and

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Speaker 3: the Giants are almost an identical situation is that they

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Speaker 3: have Bason Rudolph Giants of Tommy DeVito. How do you

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Speaker 3: see this thing breaking down? How long you think Aaron

588
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Speaker 3: Rodgers is gonna wait? Just just kind of give me

589
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Speaker 3: your feel on on what this is going a how

590
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Speaker 3: nobody knows what Haron Rodgers. Just give me your feel

591
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Speaker 3: on what you think that this whole thing is gonna

592
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Speaker 3: break down? And what's the ideal scenario for the Giants

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Speaker 3: when all said ened up, well.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 5: It's I don't think there is an ideal situation right now.

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Speaker 5: I'll give you a couple of things. One, you can

597
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Speaker 5: always go to the draft. There's two quarterbacks at the

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Speaker 5: top of this draft. You know, you might have to

599
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Speaker 5: move to go get one, but you might be relying

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Speaker 5: on that. And then you can go out there, you know,

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Speaker 5: and get Jameis Winston as a bridge something like that.

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Speaker 5: He's out there, You've interviewed him. I mean, there's some

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Speaker 5: guys out there, Joe Flacco, some guys that can help

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Speaker 5: bridge to a rookie quarterback. I would say Aaron Rodgers

605
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Speaker 5: looks like he's a better fit in Pittsburgh than he

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Speaker 5: is in New York right now, just for what he

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Speaker 5: might be looking for. Russell Wilson. He's gonna learn his

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Speaker 5: fourth offense in four years here John, no matter where

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Speaker 5: he goes like, I think he can learn an offense.

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Speaker 5: I think he's smart enough to understand his role in

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Speaker 5: any offense. I think he would work well with Brian

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Speaker 5: on the offense. In the play calling. He did fall

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Speaker 5: off quite a bit last year. He looked like he

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Speaker 5: was more of a checkdown quarterback than because he's always

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Speaker 5: been a little challenged at seeing the field.

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Speaker 1: John, especially a move field in the middle of the.

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Speaker 2: Field, has always been a problem. That's why his movement

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Speaker 2: was really important.

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Speaker 5: And look, anybody who's thirty six years old, you're not

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Speaker 5: going to move as good as when he came out

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Speaker 5: of Wisconsin. And he was sensational in those first five years.

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Speaker 5: There's one like, I'm just throwing this outre John. There's

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Speaker 5: a guy in New England that I'm really interested in.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know what Joe was thinking or Brian's

625
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Speaker 5: thinking about.

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Speaker 4: Joe.

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Speaker 2: Milton started the final game of the year for Noman.

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Speaker 5: I know it was against Buffalo's JV, but he was

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Speaker 5: awesome and he's talented.

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Speaker 2: He his arm is as good as anybody's in his business.

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Speaker 5: I'm just wondering if there's something out there, just because

632
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Speaker 5: of where they're at and the quarterback carousel has slowed

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Speaker 5: down to where it's at right now, if there would

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Speaker 5: be any interest in a guy like Joe Milton, Like,

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Speaker 5: I love the kid. He hasn't played a lot. He

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Speaker 5: played Week eighteen. He was great, Just saying like, I

637
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Speaker 5: don't know that they've uncovered every stone at this point,

638
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Speaker 5: because that's what you have to do to try to

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Speaker 5: fix this position. But it's not a great situation. But

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Speaker 5: I don't know what Aaron's timeline is. He is not

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Speaker 5: on the timeline, But if I was Aaron, I would

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Speaker 5: make my decision sooner than later, because if you get

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Speaker 5: to the draft, he might be sitting on the sidelines

644
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Speaker 5: and in Pittsburgh and you're in New York. Giants, you know,

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Speaker 5: go to the thel to final quarterback in.

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Speaker 1: The draft right now, you know, boiling away.

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Speaker 3: I look at it is that whether it's Russell Wilson,

648
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Speaker 3: whether it's Aaron Rodgers, whether it's even a Jameis Winston,

649
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Speaker 3: that should not change the Giants approach in the draft.

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Speaker 3: You still have to target a quarterback in the draft,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a three where you trade back into the

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Speaker 3: first round for somebody else, or you know, a shook

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Speaker 3: and you're on day two, like, you have to attack.

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Speaker 3: You have to get a young guy in the building

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Speaker 3: here to go with whatever veteran you bring in. And

656
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Speaker 3: you have to bring it a veteran too, by the way,

657
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Speaker 3: because you don't know what access you're gonna have the

658
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the draft.

659
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Speaker 1: What happens if.

660
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Speaker 3: Ward and Sanders go one and two and you can't

661
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Speaker 3: get one of them? Like, who knows what this is

662
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 3: gonna look like? So I think you have to attack

663
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Speaker 3: it both ways and then just let it play out.

664
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Speaker 5: But if you think about this job, I mean, if

665
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Speaker 5: everybody is looking at the Philadelphia Eagles like they are

666
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: right now, I mean they're the champions, right But you know,

667
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 5: five years ago, Dad Carson wentz on a hundred million

668
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 5: dollars contract and he was the future, and with the

669
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Speaker 5: fifty third pick in the second round, they took Jalen

670
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Speaker 5: Hurts and very quickly everybody filled out. If you realize,

671
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: Jalen was pretty special and Carson was threatened and they

672
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 5: made the move to just go, you know what, we

673
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 5: made a mistake in this contract. We're gonna move on.

674
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Speaker 5: And here's Jalen Hurts and so and here he is

675
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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl MVP. But they just show you if

676
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 5: you do things right. Now, he's wired.

677
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: The right way, like he could take the criticism.

678
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 5: He can handle Philadelphia media, but he is about being

679
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: better every single day.

680
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Speaker 2: That's how he is. So I don't know if that

681
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: guy is in this draft or not in this draft.

682
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Speaker 5: I don't know if a guy with that sort of

683
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 5: makeup is there, but it does show you that if

684
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 5: you build the team the right way around the right guy,

685
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Speaker 5: you can have this type of success.

686
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: Any overall takes about free agency in general ball the

687
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Speaker 3: outside of the Giants that you think is telling or

688
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: important in terms of board the league's adding, anything that

689
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: just strikes you in general about how free agency went

690
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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean the quarterbacks went really quick, you know.

692
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Speaker 5: I mean when Stafford decided to go back to the Rams,

693
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 5: you know, Gino, I mean, all the things, even Daniel Jones,

694
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 5: I mean, all the movements that got made that happened

695
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 5: very quickly. It always us they went quick. But you

696
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 5: know they were younger, younger players, you know, with the

697
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: with the familiarity, you know, Pete Carroll, Nostino Smith. So

698
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 5: there's a more person market right there. So you kind

699
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 5: of see that, you know, get that filled up quickly.

700
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Speaker 5: The receivers kind of went kind of where we thought

701
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Speaker 5: they might go. I didn't think there was anything great,

702
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 5: you know, like the money went with the teams that

703
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 5: had it. Now even spent a lot of money.

704
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Milton Williams never really been a starter. They

706
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 5: gave him a lot of money to be a starter.

707
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Speaker 5: But you know, Mike Braman wants to build his defensive line.

708
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 5: Get get Harold Andry, get Bilton Williams. Just build this

709
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 5: thing up. Maybe have a chance to draft up Duel

710
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: Carter if he's there, Like that's what Mike's gonna do.

711
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Speaker 2: You know, they'll they'll address the offensive line in the draft.

712
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Speaker 5: But I didn't think there was anything outrageous about free

713
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: agency to me.

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Speaker 3: This year, your thoughts and the guys that Giants decided

715
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: to bring back, I'll focus on to Darius Layne and

716
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: wide receiver, and then I think it was important to

717
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: bring Greg Van Roten back and right guard to at

718
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: least give you a fairly high floor there, depending on

719
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: what else do they do well.

720
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Speaker 2: Did did great play every snap last year for the Giants.

721
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I'm not sure if it was every snap,

722
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: but he did not miss a start. He was rock

723
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: solid all years.

724
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: I think he you know, I know we field in

725
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: at center when when when?

726
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Speaker 5: So he played right garden center, yep, like just to

727
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 5: have that versatility, and he played.

728
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: He played.

729
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 5: Look, he's thirty five years old, you know, he's a

730
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: he's you know, he's from this area. I would have

731
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Speaker 5: brought him back, like I'm surprised he was he didn't

732
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Speaker 5: get taken.

733
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: But you know, I think.

734
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Speaker 5: Jermaine right now is solid wherever you want to play him.

735
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Speaker 2: You want to play them tackle and play MC guard.

736
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 5: You got You've got a guy in Van Roten right

737
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Speaker 5: now that if something happens at center, you can play him.

738
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Speaker 2: If he start has to start at guard, he can.

739
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Speaker 5: We'll see what happens, you know, you know, at the

740
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: other tackle position. But I think Darius Layton, I don't know,

741
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: like I think they just like his feed on the outside.

742
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 5: He's familiar, he's you can get behind defenses. This is

743
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 5: malinite Nabor's you know offense right now, the target's gonna

744
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 5: go there. I was a little surprised honestly that they

745
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 5: gave him the contract that they did based on the

746
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 5: production that he's had.

747
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: Any other holes that you think, whether it's free agency

748
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: or then heading into the draft, that you really the

749
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: Giants should target and still try to get a lot

750
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: of improvement.

751
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think, you know, you can always

752
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 5: look at I know they they signed Faulse and the

753
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: de Bo, but I mean, you can never have enough corners,

754
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 5: you know, whether it's slot, corner, outside, you can never

755
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: have enough right now.

756
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: And then I'd like to see, you know, they lose disease.

757
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 5: I like to see what they have depth wise at

758
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: the outside linebacker position, because it.

759
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: Seemed like it's a little shallow right now.

760
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 5: If something happens to Caveon, if something happens to Brian,

761
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 5: so it seems a little shot that position.

762
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: And then I don't know what's gonna happen. Evan Neil,

763
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if any of us know.

764
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Speaker 5: Can he go and start at guard and be good,

765
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Speaker 5: you know, be a really good guard like Mkai Becky

766
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 5: came in Philadelphia last year and he played at a

767
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Speaker 5: Pro Bowl level, like can Evan Neil, who's obviously going

768
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 5: through the injuries and had and struggled. Can he go

769
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 5: in and play at that level? He's got the size.

770
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Speaker 5: Can he go in and play.

771
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Speaker 2: At that level?

772
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Speaker 5: If he goes in at guard, if they move him there,

773
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 5: can he be Like I didn't think Makai could do

774
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 5: it Like I didn't think he could handle a movement

775
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 5: and all the things that happened inside, but he did.

776
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 5: If Evan can go and play inside at guard the

777
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 5: way say McKay did, that would be a godsend for

778
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: the Giants. Otherwise, I think they still need, you know,

779
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 5: some depth, you know inside right.

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Speaker 1: Now, No, I'm with you.

781
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Speaker 3: I think guard is one of the spots that I

782
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: pointed to as well in final question. Just overall, in

783
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Speaker 3: terms of how the Giants have done this ball, they

784
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: did a lot of work on defense. Did not only

785
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: do a lot of work on offense. We talked about

786
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: some of the offense, the swing tackles on the backup

787
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: offensive lineman. I think they're putting a lot of confidence

788
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 3: in the coaching staff with Brian Dable and Mike Kaffkin.

789
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: Then whatever the quarterback upgrade is to do most of

790
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: the heavy lifting to get this offense to improve next year, Right.

791
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let's face it, John, they're bringing back

792
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 5: the same offense minus the quarterback.

793
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean, they really haven't made any changes, you know.

794
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 5: Now we'll see what happens with the backup offense line

795
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 5: with the sign but I mean that don't really it's

796
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 5: bringing back to wan Dale and Leak and Darius. I mean,

797
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: they bring back the tight ends. You know, they're bringing

798
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 5: back kind of the same offense. So it's up to Brian,

799
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 5: the staff and whatever quarterback they end up signing or

800
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 5: drafting to upgrade this whole offense.

801
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: You know, and to go compete, you know, with a.

802
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: Much improved Washington team and a world championship Philadelphia team right.

803
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, add a Cowboys seem the Giants have had

804
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 3: struggles beating the past eight nine years.

805
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Speaker 1: Bald the good stuff, my friend.

806
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Speaker 3: I don't know what it's gonna look like yet, because

807
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: you know, as you well know, using college tape can

808
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: be dicey, and it's they've they've controlled the rights to that.

809
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: So I don't know what the draft Baldy breakdown is

810
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: gonna look like, but we'll figure something out.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we can talk again before and after the draft. Uh.

812
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Speaker 1: Enjoy grinding the tape. My friends, we'll talk to you soon.

813
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: Thanks Jan, thanks for having me. Body, I'll talk to

814
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: you real soon.

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Speaker 3: That's Baldi's breakdown on the GIHNTS little podcast, brought to

816
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Speaker 3: you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time, everybody,