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Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, February twenty fifth, the Year of

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Speaker 2: as far as I know, it's still free. We've got

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Speaker 2: a lot to talk about tonight, jam packed show. I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about quarterback battles specifically at Michigan and Oregon, because

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Speaker 2: we've got a lot of stuff coming out right now

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Speaker 2: as we entner spring.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of people throwing out the whole.

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Speaker 2: You know, is it time is for so and so

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Speaker 2: who hasn't taken a snap yet to be the starting quarterback. Well,

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Speaker 2: we will address that. I'm also going to talk about

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two cycle in Texas. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you guys have looked. This is loaded the recruiting

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Speaker 2: cycle in Texas. It's going to be a total knife fight.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be great.

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Speaker 1: So the question, chief.

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Speaker 2: Among the questions on everyone's mind at least is what

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Speaker 2: is Steve Sarkisian going to do about this?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well what is Jimbo going to do about it? Like,

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Speaker 2: what's Gary Patterson going to do about it? We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about all that. The best recruiters in Florida,

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Speaker 2: speaking of which got a little recruiting flavor on the

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Speaker 2: show tonight. Who are they out of all the Power

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Speaker 2: FBS coaches, head coaches, who are the best recruiters? Dan

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Speaker 2: Mullins down there, manny Ds is down there, Our guy

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Speaker 2: Butch Davis is down there at FIAU. So there was

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Speaker 2: a really good piece on twenty four to seven sports

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Speaker 2: dot Com yesterday or two days ago about this, and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to circle back around and talk about it

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Speaker 2: cause they pulled all of the Florida experts, all of

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Speaker 1: Really interesting.

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Speaker 2: There was one guy that had a first place vote

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Speaker 2: and a seventh place vote. There are only seven coaches

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Speaker 2: all that plus Dabos winning with some comments about the

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Speaker 2: transfer portal that I'll get to. So keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: So let's get into this tonight. And I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Kick it off with some of these quarterback battles as

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Speaker 2: we enter spring. The quarterback position is obviously talked about

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Speaker 2: but there are a couple of positions right now that

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Speaker 2: we've discussed, and I want to circle back because I

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Speaker 2: by we, I mean me running my mouth a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: But I've really seen a lot of advanced spring work

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Speaker 2: my inbox even about spring coming, and there are some

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a lot of basis in

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Speaker 2: reality right now. So at Oregon and Michigan, in particular,

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Speaker 2: at Oregon we got Ty Thompson, we talked about him

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Speaker 2: Now let's reset the scene here who were talking about.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about two top fifty overall prospects in the

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Speaker 2: Ever prove in a court of law that's what necessitated

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Speaker 2: just extended Jim Harbaugh, the extension was very cosmetic. When

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Speaker 2: We don't make these moves hastily, but we got to

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Speaker 2: get some results here because we're watching our rivals down

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Speaker 2: Couple of things and both could be happening simultaneously. It's

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Speaker 2: least in spring, by default, a lot of the intangibles

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy looks like at Michigan. We don't know what

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Speaker 2: Here's what's going to happen. We talk the other day

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Speaker 2: elements that go into deciding a quarterback battle. Well, that's

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Speaker 2: what's happening in spring is you're just getting a lot

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Speaker 2: you get a lot of feedback. It's there's not very

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get really good reviews. Those guys are ulter talented.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get really good reviews. Then you'll go into

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Speaker 2: the summer. That's the stuff you're not allowed to see

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Speaker 2: it will start to see what kind of chemistry is formed.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll get into the fall and that's where the

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Speaker 1: How do you want a job? Doesn't really matter?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not a primary concern what the coaching staff thinks.

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Speaker 1: That's not the end all be.

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Speaker 2: that quarterback battle. That's where JJ McCarthy will decide this thing.

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Speaker 2: That's where Ty Thompson will ultimately decide this thing. It

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Speaker 2: Josh Gattis. That's all great. You also have some very

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Speaker 2: have and what do you value?

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Speaker 2: Because when it comes time and you've got Cade McNamara

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Speaker 2: and you're coming out of a practice second week of August,

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Speaker 2: in less than fourteen days, what do you value? Do

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Speaker 2: you value the upside or do you understand? Guys, we

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Speaker 2: now instead of maybe at Oregon where if all things

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Speaker 2: It hurts me to see Butch Davis down at number seven,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of coach he would be.

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Speaker 1: They did it.

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Speaker 2: Chris Hummer compiled a very good article with a lot

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Speaker 2: You can tell me, for example, well, Gus Malson, I

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Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. I don't necessarily disagree with

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Speaker 2: Probably do better than Josh Hippel had done there Norvelle

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Speaker 1: It always is. And that's what people say.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. And also they have nine of the top

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Speaker 2: two right now are from the state of Texas. So

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00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,720
Speaker 2: you may think to yourself, okay, but I don't pay

437
00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,840
Speaker 2: attention to this stuff really hardcore year over year, So

438
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,199
Speaker 2: I don't know how to process that. Here's how to

439
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,600
Speaker 2: process it. So Texas has twenty players ranked in the

440
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,760
Speaker 2: top one hundred, average would be about thirteen to thirteen

441
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 2: and a half per year. They have nine guys ranked

442
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 2: in the top thirty two.

443
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 1: Average would be.

444
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,680
Speaker 2: About four, So they're far above and beyond exceeding what

445
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Speaker 2: really they do normally. But also when you look at

446
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Speaker 2: that top twenty number, when you look at that five

447
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 2: star number, top thirty two, it's unprecedented. We have not

448
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,639
Speaker 2: seen a class like this in the state of Texas.

449
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 2: So here comes the million dollar question. Of course, we

450
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 2: all know synonymous with Texas recruiting is going to be

451
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 2: the University of Texas and synonymous, well, that's going to

452
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 2: be the question. What is Steve Sarkisian going to do

453
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 2: about this? What are the Texas Longhorns going to do

454
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 2: about this? Now, there hasn't been any drought in recruiting

455
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,919
Speaker 2: out there to begin with, lack of overall personnel. That

456
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 2: was never really the issue at Texas maximizing the potential

457
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 2: and squeezing every drop of potential out of that roster.

458
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: Yet that was a different story, and that's why we

459
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Speaker 2: have a new head coach at Texas, Steve's Sarksian. But

460
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,959
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are going to put

461
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Speaker 2: that on the headline. That is a very valid question.

462
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 2: But my mind does not just go to Texas versus

463
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Speaker 2: Texas A and M, or Texas versus OU, or even

464
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 2: ou versus ann which I would argue is the hottest

465
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 2: recruiting battle out in that portion of the country right now.

466
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 2: Hopefully the Longhorns for their state can change that, but

467
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 2: that's not immediately where.

468
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Speaker 1: My mind goes.

469
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at Texas versus Alabama. I'm looking at A

470
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 2: and M versus Ohio state like, you got to ask

471
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: yourself first and foremost before you start to divvy up

472
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 2: the lion's share of that talent in state. You got

473
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Speaker 2: to make sure the door's shut. You got to make

474
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Speaker 2: sure Ryan Day and Nick Saban don't keep feeling totally

475
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: free and easy coming into your state and taking talent

476
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: out of it. It's happening every year. And I'm not

477
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: talking about some guys that are, you know, low to

478
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: mid four star type guys, talking about the best of

479
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: the best, in many cases leaving the state of Texas. Now,

480
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: speaking of Nick Saban, when I think about what Steve

481
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 2: Sarkisian has the chance to do here, and I think

482
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: about what they have the chance and the opportunity that

483
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: they've inherited to take advantage of in the twenty twenty

484
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 2: two cycle, I think back to Saban's first full year

485
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 2: at Alabama. His first full recruiting cycle was that eight class,

486
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 2: and he was very fortunate that he took the job

487
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: when he did because the state of Alabama was loaded.

488
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Speaker 2: It was one of the best in state crops of

489
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: talent that the Alabama recruiting scene had seen in quite

490
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 2: a while. He landed in that first full class that

491
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 2: went on to I think be the top rated class

492
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 2: in the country, and it went on to pave the

493
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: road for eventual championship teams. Really one year later. How

494
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 2: about these names. Julio Jones was in that class. He

495
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: was a young man out of Fully High School. Robert

496
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 2: Lester was a four star safety that ended up starting

497
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: for him out of Fully those Both of those guys

498
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 2: came from the same high school. Marcel Darius ended up

499
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: being a first round draft pick. Mark Barron ended up

500
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 2: being a first round draft pick. Courtney Upshaw was in

501
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 2: this class. BJ Scott was a guy that never really

502
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: panned out, but he was ranked five stars in that class.

503
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: Bj Scott was one of the first dominoes I was

504
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: listening to, I think it was it was Tim Watson

505
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: Travis Ryer over on the Built by Bama Online podcast.

506
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: It's a really good one for Ubama fans. But they

507
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 2: are doing something right now. They're doing a series where

508
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 2: they sort of go back and they just recap all

509
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: the past recruiting classes. It's a really fun exercise, especially

510
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: for Alabama folks for obvious reasons. They were talking about

511
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 2: that eight class and how important that early domino of

512
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: BJ Scott was because it was not cool to commit

513
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 2: to Alabama.

514
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: At that point.

515
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: It was far more cool if you go out west

516
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 2: to USC or you go play for Urban at Florida.

517
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: I mean Alabama's that's a seventies program. Well, all of

518
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: a sudden you got BJ Scott and Julio Jones and

519
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: Mark Baron and Courtney up Sean Marcel Darius. They just

520
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 2: start knocking those dominoes down. Well, it was like a

521
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: floodgate opening obviously for Nick Saban, but that class, when

522
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: they opened against Clemson that fall, so many of those

523
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: guys were either on the field starting or on the

524
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: field on special teams.

525
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: I was there.

526
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: I was in the building that night they played them

527
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, and it was there was It's such a precursor.

528
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: It was so glaring.

529
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: It just slapped you in the face of wow, like

530
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: a lot of those freshmen. A lot of these seventeen

531
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: and eighteen year olds on the field looked better than

532
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: three or four year starters. This is changing, It's gonna

533
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: change really quick, and it did change really quick. So

534
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: outside of Texas, University of Texas A and M is

535
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: sitting here well positioned. Texas hopes to fit that Vama

536
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: mold of capitalizing in their first full year as a

537
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: coaching staff on a great in state crop of talent.

538
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: That's the kind of way that you redefine a program.

539
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the kind of way a decade from now,

540
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: if things have worked out for Texas, you're telling the

541
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Speaker 2: story to, you know, the kids who were too young

542
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: to remember. You know, in that twenty twenty two cycle.

543
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Speaker 1: You may not.

544
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: Remember this little junior, but there were so many good

545
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: players in this state and this guy and this guy,

546
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: and that guy and that guy. We all got him

547
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: everywhere from Odessa to Tyler to San Antonio down to

548
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 2: Brownsville and everywhere in between. We got those guys and

549
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: they built a culture. They built a foundation, and here's

550
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: what's important, we built a foundation for the future of

551
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: this program him on in state guys, which is the way.

552
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: It should be.

553
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: It's the way it's always been done here, when we've

554
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: run this program.

555
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: The right way.

556
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: They got a chance to tell that story at Texas.

557
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: They got a chance to tell that story at Texas

558
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: A and M. But I'm telling you right now, Lincoln

559
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: Riley is drooling all over himself, Ryan Day, Nick Sabe

560
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: and drooling all over themselves because they look and they say,

561
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: I got just as much right to be in here

562
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: and take these guys as you do. And you know what,

563
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: they're absolutely right. So Texas Recruiting twenty twenty two. If

564
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: you've just been a casual fan of the recruiting game

565
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: and you're looking to dive in, if you want one

566
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: storyline to follow, follow that twenty twenty two Texas class.

567
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: That's going to be really fun this year. I want

568
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: to wrap it up here with some things that Debos

569
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: Swinny said. It's really hard to have a rational conversation

570
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: about Debo Swinny and Clemson.

571
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: These days.

572
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: Everyone is entrenched in their view. It's growing harder and

573
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: harder to say, hey, all right, just forget what you

574
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 2: think about the guy. Let's make a case by case judgment. So,

575
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: for instance, right now, I told you that was coming.

576
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: By the way, a couple of years ago, I told you,

577
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: no one's darling last forever.

578
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: In sports.

579
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: This is a build him up to tear him down mentality.

580
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: It's a build him up to tear him down.

581
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: Society. College football is no different. And so Dabo.

582
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: He was like your little wrestling buddy in twenty fifteen,

583
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: and now you're slamming your wrestling buddy.

584
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: For what reason. I don't know.

585
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: Each one of you have your own reasons others. If

586
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: you love Dabo swinny, I just go case by case

587
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: on Dabbo like I pretty much do with everyone else.

588
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: But he had some really good thoughts yesterday, which was Wednesday,

589
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: on the transfer portal. Now, the Clemson model has been

590
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: that they don't take transfers. That's what he's done. It's

591
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: not a Clemson rule, it's not like a university by law.

592
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: That's just the way that Dabo has chosen to run

593
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: his program. And so right now a lot's changing. He

594
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: feels the sand sort of shifting under his feet, and

595
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people around the Clemson beat, for example,

596
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: they've been talking about this. I've been curious about this

597
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: as you see the proliferation of the transfer portal, you

598
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: start to ask yourself HMMs that Dabo has to play

599
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: are taking advantage of this, And we're also seeing what

600
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: Florida has done. We're seeing what Norvelle, out of maybe

601
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: desperation in Tallahassee's having to do. But I wonder, you know,

602
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: Alabama's in it.

603
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: For Henry toatoo.

604
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: We may see other big time programs that really don't

605
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: have to make a move make moves just because they can.

606
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if Clemson's going to do that. Well, that's valid.

607
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 2: I think it's very valid to ask that question. Dabo

608
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: was asked that question on Wednesday, and I'm going to

609
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: paraphrase the quote basically because I don't have time to

610
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: read the whole thing. You can go find it. There's

611
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: an article probably on the twenty four to seven Sports

612
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: main page or the Clemson website right now.

613
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: But you know, he was asked, what do you.

614
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: Think about this is your policy going to change? And

615
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: that no transfers policy is something that I think he's

616
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: going to be addressing a lot in maybe coming months,

617
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: but coming years, and I've wondered, along with the rest

618
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: of you, how they're going to handle that.

619
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Speaker 1: So Dabo said, we haven't changed anything. The sport has changed.

620
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: We haven't changed anything. Our surroundings are changing, the rules

621
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: are changing.

622
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: Different things are happening now that maybe we didn't have

623
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: to deal with in the past. But the way that

624
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: we evaluate it's not going to change. And what he

625
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: said is we are a developmental program. We try and

626
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: run things a lot like the NFL. It's not a draft,

627
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 2: it's a recruiting process, so you are selecting your players,

628
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: obviously in a different manner. But we try and bring

629
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 2: guys in here, we try and develop them, and we

630
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: do something here unique unto the rest of the sport.

631
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: You know, that's the way you should always think about

632
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: your program, Clemson or otherwise. And what he said is

633
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: he said, if things change around us, then that's fine,

634
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: and we would be stupid to put on blinders and

635
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: not know what's going on out there. But at the

636
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: same time, nothing about what the transfer portal is now

637
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 2: is going to change what Clemson football is.

638
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: It's a really good take.

639
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: It was a lot more in depth in that he

640
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: went a lot longer than that. But here's what he

641
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: didn't say. Here's what I mainly want you to take away.

642
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 2: What he didn't say is we're never going to take

643
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: a transfer. You'll probably hear some people mischaracterize him by

644
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: saying that never said we're not going to take transfers.

645
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: In fact, he kind of expressed the sentiment of if

646
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: the time comes, you know, where, we get through spring

647
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: football and we've got two or three guys leave and

648
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: it it presents a glaring hole on our roster, then

649
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: you know what we're probably gonna have to do. We're

650
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: probably gonna have to go get a transfer. And if

651
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: you were to ask me the question, you think Dabo's

652
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: ever gonna take a transfer?

653
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, they're gonna end up taking one.

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Speaker 2: It's not a source of pride, you know, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna be some situation where you have violated

656
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Speaker 2: your principles and morals and ethical compass. They're gonna take

657
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Speaker 2: one at some point. They don't want to. That's the difference.

658
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Speaker 2: They can if they need to, but they don't really

659
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Speaker 2: want to. All he articulated he being debos Wwhenny. All

660
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Speaker 2: he articulated was what pretty much every head coach feels,

661
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Speaker 2: maybe with a few exceptions, this is what they all feel.

662
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Speaker 2: They all fancy themselves as an operation that can recruit

663
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Speaker 2: at a high level and can develop.

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Speaker 1: They take a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of pride and development at the big Boy programs especially.

666
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Speaker 2: I mean that's what they pitch, that's everything about. They

667
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Speaker 2: have no reason not to be able to develop you.

668
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Speaker 2: They should. That's the hallmark. It's a developmental sport. So

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Speaker 2: if you're going to be one of the best in

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Speaker 2: the sport that is a developmental sport, you buy necessity

671
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Speaker 2: have to be a developmental program. Well, here's the mindset.

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Speaker 2: If you're doing that the right way, if you're recruiting

673
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Speaker 2: the right guys and you're developing them, you shouldn't have

674
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Speaker 2: a ton of holes on your roster. Here's where Dablos

675
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Speaker 2: Swinny's smart enough to look, and here's where a lot

676
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Speaker 2: of other coaches are looking and realizing things are changing.

677
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Speaker 2: There is a trap door under your roster that has

678
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Speaker 2: been built really only in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: It's a different kind of trap door, and it's not

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Speaker 2: that transfers were never possible, but it's a different kind

681
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Speaker 2: of trap door now. And that trap door exists in

682
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Speaker 2: a couple of different portions of the calendar. One is

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Speaker 2: right after your season is over, where you have guys,

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Speaker 2: let's say DeMarcus Bowman, for example, who left Clemson. You

685
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Speaker 2: could have guys leave then. But what he talked about,

686
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Speaker 2: what Dabo talked about, is and here's the one that's

687
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Speaker 2: really dangerous at the end of spring practice. So you

688
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Speaker 2: get into April and May, and guys have gone through

689
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Speaker 2: spring and they realize where they are on the depth chart,

690
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Speaker 2: and they've looked around at all these other great players

691
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Speaker 2: you have here and they don't think that they're gonna

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Speaker 2: be able to play. Then if guys leave, what do

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Speaker 2: you do. It's like he said, actually earlier yesterday, he said,

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Speaker 2: when a guy leaves in May, we can't just go

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Speaker 2: recruit another guy and get him here in the fall.

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Speaker 2: So at that point, that's maybe when you have to

697
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Speaker 2: resort to going to the transfer portal.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: It's not that you want to, it's just that you

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Speaker 2: may have to. So I'm interested to watch this because

701
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Speaker 2: here's what I think. I think if we'll just leave

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Speaker 2: this stuff alone. I know that's a very very rarely

703
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Speaker 2: shared opinion these days. Everything needs to be fixed every

704
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Speaker 2: moment in time. If we'll just leave this alone, there're

705
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: gonna be some tough lessons learned. A lot of people

706
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Speaker 2: are worried right now about how many guys are in

707
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Speaker 2: the transfer portal. You should be worried about it. It's

708
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Speaker 2: not a good thing to see that many guys in

709
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Speaker 2: the portal. Here's what's gonna have to happen. They're gonna

710
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 2: have to be some tough lessons learned. Some guys are

711
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Speaker 2: gonna have to And maybe you're a freshman in high

712
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Speaker 2: school right now, a sophomore in high school, you're gonna

713
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Speaker 2: have to watch a few of these cycles layout and

714
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Speaker 2: all these guys go in the portal, not find a

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Speaker 2: landing spot and end up being screwed.

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Speaker 1: It's tough.

717
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Speaker 2: I hate that it's gonna happen, but it's gonna happen.

718
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Speaker 2: You just need to let nature play itself out and

719
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: hard lessons will be learned. And then three years from now,

720
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Speaker 2: if you're a head coach with five guys on your

721
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Speaker 2: roster on the fence about entering the portal, you can

722
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Speaker 2: put that data in front of them and you can say,

723
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: look here, it's happening every year. Mike, Jeff Steve, it's

724
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Speaker 2: happening every year. You got every right to go on

725
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Speaker 2: the portal.

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Speaker 1: I can't stand in your way.

727
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't even if I could, But I really want

728
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Speaker 2: you to think about this, cause all these other hundreds

729
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Speaker 2: and hundreds of guys they thought it was for the

730
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Speaker 2: best too, and they ended up not finding a landing spot.

731
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Speaker 2: Let it work itself out. But on the other end,

732
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Speaker 2: on the university end, on the program end, on the

733
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Speaker 2: head coaches end, they're also going to watch this. And

734
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't doubt that Daboswiney is probably thinking about this

735
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Speaker 2: in a lot more fluid context than maybe even some

736
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Speaker 2: Clemson fans or people who who follow that program, who

737
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: may have watched what they do in the past, and

738
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Speaker 2: speaking absolute you can't afford to do it right now.

739
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: You can't afford to speaking absolute truths in the future

740
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: because by the very nature of your surroundings changing, you

741
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: have to change. I mean, I can have a code on, well,

742
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Speaker 2: if I walk in a room that's ninety five degrees,

743
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: what do I just keep the code on because I

744
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: walked in wearing it? Or do I realize, Man, I'm

745
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: losing like five pounds of body weight per hour here

746
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: through sweat.

747
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Speaker 1: I need to take this jacket off.

748
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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with taking the jacket off, there's nothing

749
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Speaker 2: wrong with taking transfers as long as in Dabos Sweeney's case,

750
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Speaker 2: for example, as long as he understands that's always the rare,

751
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: rare exception to our Clemson rule. That's the same way

752
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: Bama's going to be. I think it's the same way

753
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Speaker 2: that a lot of the major programs are going to be.

754
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: They'll be fine, You'll be fine. The transfer portal scene

755
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: will eventually be fine. Will all be fine, Everything will

756
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: work itself out.

757
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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap here. Remember follow me on Twitter at

759
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Speaker 2: late Kick Josh. Also, remember, so we have created sort

760
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Speaker 2: of our fictitious university name to use on the show

761
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Speaker 2: in lieu of just picking a random school, which always

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Speaker 2: happens to be Kent State. Here we have created Pate

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Speaker 2: State University. We are in the process of crowdsourcing the

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Speaker 2: mascot and the battle cry for Pate State. I got

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Speaker 2: my favorites out there. There have been dozen, I would

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Speaker 2: say at this point hundreds, at least dozens and dozens

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Speaker 2: to hundreds of submissions.

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Speaker 1: We got some good ones.

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Speaker 2: A lot of them are storm chasing related, a lot

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Speaker 2: of them are trained related. Here's what we want. We

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Speaker 2: want Peate state. Fill in the blank, give me a

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Speaker 2: mascot name, and give me a battle cry. Just think

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Speaker 2: in terms of merchandising, in terms of a helmet sticker.

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Speaker 2: We got to have this look good. We can't put

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Speaker 2: our stuff in the space and look like losers. We

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Speaker 2: don't want that. So we got to make Peate State

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Speaker 2: stand out. We got to get some five stars in here.

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Speaker 2: So be on the lookout in your own mind. Draw

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Speaker 2: inspiration from wherever you want. You can hit me on

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Speaker 2: Twitter at late Kick Josh. You can email me Josh

781
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Speaker 2: Pate seven zero six at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: We're looking for those ideas. Also.

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Speaker 2: Zoom consultation sessions still open. If you want to talk

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Speaker 2: about career, if you want to talk about how to

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Speaker 2: start a YouTube channel, podcast, whatever you want to talk

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Speaker 2: I had a guy talk Big ten football with me

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Speaker 2: for an hour the other day. Whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: talk about. I'm there for you. Josh Bait seven zero

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Speaker 2: six at gmail dot com. Again thanks to our buddies,

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Speaker 2: his channel in the description below. Make sure you subscribe

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Speaker 2: for letting us use his place of business here. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of like a serial Killer's Den of Pro wrestling

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Speaker 2: and baseball memorabilia. You know what statute limitation is probably

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Speaker 2: not up there, so no further details there, but thank

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Speaker 2: you to him, thank you to you for joining, and

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Speaker 2: thank you to our team both here in Nashville, there

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Speaker 2: in Nashville, and there in Connecticut for cutting the show

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Speaker 2: up as I've been.

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Speaker 1: On the road.

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Speaker 2: From me to you, have a great rest of your weekend,

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Speaker 2: Take care and God bless