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Now let's get to football. 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Pete Prisco from CBS Sports dot Com is one of 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: my favorite podcast guests because he's opinionated and knowledgeable. I 28 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: began our latest conversation by bringing up a prediction that 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: he made back in April of twenty twenty, shortly after 30 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: the Bengal selected Burrow with the first overall pick in 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: the NFL draft. Pe, don't want to start by giving 32 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: you the opportunity to gloat, because when the Bengals drafted 33 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, you said he would lead the Bengals to 34 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl win maybe two. The guys in the 35 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: studio literally laughed at you when you said that. And sure, 36 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: the Bengals didn't win it last year, but they got 37 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: there in Joe's second year coming back from a serious 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: knee injury behind a mediocre offensive line. Have the people 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: who scoffed apologized. No, they've taken what I said. And 40 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: Brady Quinn, the former NFL quarterback, is one of those guys. 41 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: They've taken what I've said. And they said I said 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: they would win two, and that's not what I said. 43 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: I said maybe two, he would win one in the 44 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: next ten years. Well, he's ahead of scheduling in win one. 45 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: But if they could block, he would have won one. 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: And so I think the Bengals fans have to be 47 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: thrilled with what they have in Joe Burrow. And I 48 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: go back to a conversation I had with him. I 49 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: tell this story a lot, but I had a conversation 50 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: with him at the Combine that one year. And I 51 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: didn't know Joe Burrow, but at the super Bowl. We 52 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: had two on at the super Bowl and I asked him, 53 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: I said, you know two you lost to you beat them, 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: but if you would you, if you came back around, 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: would you have beaten him if you were healthy the 56 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: second time? Remember they played LSU the second time. And 57 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: he said, well, I can't say that. I can't say that, 58 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: and I asked Joe Burrow that at the combine and 59 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: he answered the question conn of and he hesitated for second. 60 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: He goes, you know, we did beat him when he 61 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: was there, and I said, okay, there you go. That's 62 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: what I want to hear. And I joke around about 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: it all the time. I called fire in the belly. 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow has fire in the belly, and that's what 65 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: you want from a quarterback. And I think that shows 66 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: up on the football field. So obviously you loved him 67 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: coming out of the draft, but now that you've seen 68 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: him for two years in the NFL, is there anything 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: about him that's different or even better than you anticipated. No, 70 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: He's about what I thought he would be. I think 71 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: the cool under pressure for a guy so young is 72 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: what really impresses me. I mean, the accuracy is there. 73 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: The arm strength is better that I think than people 74 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: even thought it would be. I think he's calm in 75 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: the pocket, but just when he keeps getting hit, he 76 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: just gets back up and goes. And he took a beating. 77 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: You know that. You see it all the time. That 78 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: line was awful last year and it's amazing what he 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: did and what that offense did with that offensive line. 80 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: So I think if anything stands out to me and 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: I thought he'd have a chance to be that way, 82 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: it's responding and being so cool under the pressure and everything. 83 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: This is for a guy who's coming off an ACL 84 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: last year, and I admit early in the season he 85 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: looked like he was a little bit leery, but once 86 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: he settled in, he was outstanding. We will obviously cover 87 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of Bengals topics here, but before we get 88 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: to more of those, your borough prediction looks very strong, 89 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: but nobody in your position gets them. All right, what 90 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: is your all time worst freezing cold take? If you've 91 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: got one. I thought Christian Ponder would be good. I mean, look, 92 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: I can. It's just like I always tell these guys 93 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: because they bring them up on Twitter, and I'll go 94 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: back and I'll say, Okay, I missed, but the team 95 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: missed too and didn't didn't you know? I thought Christian 96 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: Ponder would be good. I was wrong about that, But 97 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: I can also bounce it out. I was the only 98 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: guy that thought Josh Allen would be good. I was 99 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: the only one. I mean, you couldn't find anybody, and 100 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: I stuck to it through his rookie year, and people 101 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: killed me. They thought it was an aberration. He's gonna 102 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: be bad and he might be the best quarterback in 103 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, he can make a case for 104 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: that right now. So I was right about that one. 105 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: I thought Burrow would be good. I thought Herbert would 106 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: be good. I thought both Herbert and Burrow would be 107 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: significantly better than two and both of them are. So 108 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: I get them wrong. I can't. Christian Ponder was terrible. 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: It was a bad prediction. It hurt the Vikings a 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: lot more than it hurt you, that's for sure. Our 111 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: guest is Pete Prisco from CBS. The Bengals had an 112 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: obvious weakness and addressed it in free agent see signing 113 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: l Collins, Alex Kappa, and Ted Carriss. How good do 114 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: you think their offensive line is now? Well, I think 115 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: it's significantly better. And look, it was bad. I mean, look, 116 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I know who Chimadenigy might be a nice guy at all, 117 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: but he really struggled last year. I mean, we I 118 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: do a thing where I give out a spinning top 119 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: every week on our program for the worst offensive lineman 120 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: in the league that week. And he wanted a couple 121 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: of times. I mean, you know, it was bad and 122 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: so and I know he's a tackle who went inside 123 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: and he can now he's just gonna play swing tap 124 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: he's so he's probably gonna be a good swing guy. 125 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: But he shouldn't have been put in that position. So 126 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: I think they will be upgrade. Lyle Collins is really 127 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: a good player. I mean, he's a good player. I 128 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: think you know, Ted Carress, smart guy, gonna be good 129 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: in the middle of that line. You know, Kappa is 130 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: a good player, tough, physical guy. And I think Carmen 131 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: will be better. I mean he kind of threw him 132 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: in there and put him in, put him out, pulled 133 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: him in, pulled him out, and I think that that 134 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: kind of hurt him a little bit, and so I 135 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: think he'll be a better player. So I think the 136 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: line is significantly better than it was a year ago. 137 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: Pete Prisco is our guest. This is the third strade 138 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: year that the Bengals have spent heavily in free agency, 139 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: and now they're building an indoor practice facility. I've seen 140 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: interviews in the past where you have pushed back against 141 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: host who said the Bengals are an incompetent franchise and 142 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: losing franchise, whatever term you want to use. When will 143 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: we see the national narrative change. What's it going to take? Well? 144 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: I think winning a Super Bowl would have helped, but 145 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: I think last year kind of does help. And I 146 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: go back to their scouting department. Okay, it's not a 147 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: big scouting department, but I think the way they do 148 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: it is actually a really good way. There's so much input, 149 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: input and cross you know, referencing everybody that I think, 150 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, Tobin handles it the right way. He allows 151 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: his guys to do their work and he listens to him. 152 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: There are so many teams that have giant scouting departments 153 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: and they send their guys out and they do all 154 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: this work and they're out all week and they get 155 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: all information and they come back and they give them 156 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: reports and then the GM says, no, I don't like 157 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: it that way, Whereas that never works. And I think 158 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: you're seeing that with what they've done. They've drafted very well. 159 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: They've made good decisions in free agency, and I think 160 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: that showed up last year. So I think getting the 161 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: practice facility is big and where are they putting that 162 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: They put in right next to the stadium right there. Yeah, 163 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: more or less across the street going toward the Ohio River. Yeah. 164 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: And again if you win, those are easier to get done, 165 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: no question about that. Pete Prisco is our guest. You 166 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: can follow them on Twitter at Prisco CBS. You recently 167 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: released your list, your annual list of the NFL's top 168 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: one hundred players. The Chargers led the way with nine guys. 169 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: The Rams have three in the top ten, which is 170 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: pretty extraordinary, including the number one guy, Aaron Donald. The 171 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: Bengals had five guys in your top one hundred that 172 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: is tied for the fifth most. I think people might 173 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: be a little bit surprised to learn that your highest 174 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: rated Bengal isn't Joe Burrow, who is high at number 175 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: twenty one, but it's Jamar Chase at number eighteen. Why 176 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: so high for Jamar after one year? I think he's 177 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: one of those receivers going to be special. And you know, 178 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: we see it now where if you get that special guy, 179 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: he kind of elevates the rest of the group and 180 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: makes everybody else better. You know, Justin Jefferson does it 181 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: in Minnesota's a young rising guy. And we see these 182 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: receivers now making their money by the way, tons of them, 183 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: and we saw it, and I think he's in that class. 184 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: I think he is truly going to be a special player, 185 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: and he makes it easier on Joe Burrow. And I 186 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: think the ability to go get the fifty fifty ball, 187 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: the ability to rip off the big play, and I 188 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: think that's why I put him in that class. And again, 189 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: there are a lot of really good receivers and him 190 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: and Justin Jefferson are two of the better young ones. 191 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: Amazing to think on that team that caught passes down 192 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: there from Joe Burrow. Easy to see why he threw 193 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: sixty touchdown passes there when your targets like that. So 194 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: your five Bengals in the top one hundred are Chase Burrow, 195 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, Joe Mixon, and Jesse Bates. Jesse Bates obviously 196 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: an interesting name right now because of what's happening with 197 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: him in the franchise tag. If you're the Bengals, what 198 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: would you do with Jesse Bates and his contract. I 199 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: think he's I don't think he played that well early 200 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: last season. I think he'd be the first one to 201 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: tell you that he said he got caught up in 202 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: the whole contract situation. This is a big year for him. 203 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: I think you gotta let him play it out. You 204 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: drafted with an eye on him one of maybe both 205 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: those guys, leaving both those safeties, and I think they're 206 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: both if I mistaken, he's in the franchise tag and 207 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: vine Bell he's in his contract year. Yeah, third and 208 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: final year of the free agent deal he signed. So 209 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: you drafted, you know, with an eye on replacing one 210 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: of those guys at least, so I think it'll be 211 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: interesting to see how they play. I'd let it play out. 212 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: I think Jesse Bates is a really good player. But again, 213 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: if you rush to sign guys like that without replacing 214 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: them with a cheaper version, then you get into some 215 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: situations where you have capell and you have a lot 216 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: of good young players that you're eventually gonna have to 217 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: pay big money too. So I'd be careful with that one. 218 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: I like him as a player. Wherever you go, he's 219 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: gonna be a good player, but it might not be 220 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. DJ Reader did not make your top one hundred, 221 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: but he did earn honorable mentioned status. Do you consider 222 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: him to be one of the more underrated guys in 223 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the league. Yes, absolutely, He's been that way for a 224 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: long time. By the way, he's a really good player 225 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: and the guy you want to have inside on your defense. 226 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: I think what he did last year was truly impressive. 227 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: Now you know, the issue is what happens j Hill 228 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: comes back. He played well last year and I think 229 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: he's good next to him. I like the Carter kid 230 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: they drafted out of Florida. I think he's gonna be 231 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: a good player again. Draft to replace, you know, you 232 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: draft to replace, and I think they get that. And 233 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: for all the criticism that they get, I don't think 234 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: it's warranted when you watch what they do and how 235 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: they handle the roster. Zach Carter was their third round pick. 236 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: Dax Hill, the safety at of Michigan, is obviously their first. 237 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: What do you think of Dax Versatility in this league, 238 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: that's what you want. You can play him outside, you 239 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: could play him at slot corner, you could play him 240 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: at safety. And you know, more and more teams are 241 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: going to three safeties, and when you play three safeties, 242 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, even next year, if they're all there, he 243 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: could be the third guy on the field. Or you 244 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: can bring bell down and play him back, and I 245 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: think that's where this league is heading. And tool teams 246 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: start running the football again, you know, that's where we're 247 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: going eventually, if game is and I always thought it 248 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: would be an air game, and it's moved to that. 249 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: I said that twenty five years ago. I said, this 250 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: game is gonna be an air game. You're gonna spread 251 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: people out, You're gonna throw the football. You know, I 252 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: was a big fan of air Correal way back in 253 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: the day. I always love Marino thrown around. I always 254 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: thought you needed to get to that. Well, now we've 255 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: got to that, and the rules mandate that that's an 256 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: advantage for you. But when does a team start going 257 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: back to pounding it when they get when you get little, 258 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: you start pounding him up from because everybody, you know, 259 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: the bigger defensive end is now a defensive tackle and 260 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, and so you put him inside, you're gonna 261 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: run on them now a little bit. So I think 262 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: we might have to see an adjustment eventually, But for now, 263 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: three safeties on the field makes a lot of sense. 264 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: Belichick does that in the postseason, doesn't he. He pounds 265 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: pea Yeah, you can bet. But again, like I see 266 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: teams that are too reliant on the run that get 267 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: caught in the postseason. Tennessee. Tennessee runs the ball well, 268 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: carries him to the playoffs. Every year. They might win 269 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: a game or two running the ball, but eventually you 270 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: have to be able to throw it. You have to 271 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: be able to get big plays. You know, the Bengals 272 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: will be able to run the ball better this year. 273 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: I think. I think mix is gonna have a big 274 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: year running the ball, and that will take pressure off 275 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: the offensive line and it will make their passing game better. 276 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Even if the numbers might not be gaudy, they will 277 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: be a better offense this year. A few more questions 278 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: for Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS sports dot Com. 279 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: The Ravens are healthy. The Browns traded for Deshaun Watson. 280 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: The Steelers made Kenny Pickett the first quarterback taken in 281 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: this year's draft. How does the AFC North stack up 282 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: in your opinion? About a month away from the start 283 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: of training camp. I think the Bengals are the best team, 284 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: and I would right now on paper that I picked 285 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: him to win the division. I think the Ravens are 286 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: going to be the second best team. They're gonna be back. 287 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: You know, Lamar Jackson missed so much time it was, 288 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: you know, on that on the field and never really 289 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: looked like himself last year. They'll be back. You know. 290 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: What happens with the Watson situation, that's the thing. Is 291 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: he gonna get suspended for a year or whatever? You know, 292 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: we don't know, so I think if I look at it, 293 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: I'd say Bengals won Ravens two, rounds three and then 294 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: the Steelers four. And I like Kenny Pickett. I think 295 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett for Bengals fans might, but I want to 296 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: hear this. He has a little bit of Joe Burrow 297 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: in him. You know, he can sling it. He's got 298 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of an attitude, and he plays with 299 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: a toughness about him. I think Kenny Pickett for it 300 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: might be one of those guys that the Steelers found 301 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: and he'll end up being a long term quarterback. And 302 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: it could be Pickett, Burrow and Lamar Jackson the division 303 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: for a long time. And if Watson gives you things 304 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: straighten on him too, You're right, Bengals fans don't want 305 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: to hear that. We're hoping that's a prediction along the 306 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: lines of Christian Ponder. Yeah, I bet you do, all right, Pete, 307 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: I got one more question for you. Last week a 308 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: group of loyal Bengals fans held an event called Jungle 309 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: to the Hall Too. They are trying to make the 310 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: case that Anthony Munio should not be the only Bengal 311 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Do you have 312 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: any strong feelings about Ken Anderson, Ken Riley, Willie Anderson 313 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: or any other former Bengals as Hall of Fame candidates. 314 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: Ken Riley should have been in already, and that one's 315 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: amazing to me. Anybody who watched Ken Riley wats to play, 316 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: he should be in the Hall of Fame. I think, 317 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you look at Ken Anderson, you could 318 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: make a strong case for Ken Anderson and what he 319 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: did and how he did it. I again, another offense 320 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: I enjoyed really watching, so I could put I would 321 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: have no problem with either one of those. You know, 322 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: and Willie Anderson gets pinged because he played right tackle, 323 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: and that's unfair. Look Tony Vaselli, who I know very well, 324 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: he's going in this year. I can't wait to see 325 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: him go in. Was a great left tackle and people said, oh, well, 326 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: he protected Mark Burnell's left handed quarterback. Well, Anthony Unos 327 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: prod prodected Boomer's blind side. I didn't protect Boomer's blind side. 328 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you can make a case for 329 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: Willie Anderson and I all three of them strong consideration. 330 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: Maybe two at least of them should get in. And 331 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: if I had a stronger feeling on any of them, 332 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: I probably put Ken Riley in sixty five. I NTS 333 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: is hard to ignore, isn't it. It was a playmaker. 334 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean you could just see me at the long leg. 335 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: He is a playmaker. Yes, I would put and if 336 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: I ranked him, I'd probably go Riley, then Anderson, and 337 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: then Willie Pete. You are one of my favorite podcast guests. 338 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: I always appreciate your time. Keep up the great work, 339 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: and I'll hit you up again in a few months. 340 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: I'll see you a calf in about three weeks. Fantastic, 341 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. You got it. He came out 342 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: with his NFL power rankings earlier this offseason and had 343 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: the Bengals had number six in the NFL and number 344 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: three in the AFC, behind the Bills and Chiefs. Pete 345 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: wrote the following the off season was about fixing the 346 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: offensive line, and they did it. They also added a 347 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: few nice pieces in the draft on defense. All of 348 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: that will again make this team a contender. The Bengals 349 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: Booth podcast is presented by Ultimate Bengals, the free to 350 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: play fantasy football game. 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I recently discussed that and much more with 359 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: Brandon Thorne, the author of the Trench Warfare newsletter, where 360 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: he writes and post videos about offensive and defensive line play. 361 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: Last week, he featured a film study with the Bengals 362 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: left tackle, who is still only twenty four years old. Edon, 363 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: how did your fifty minute film study with Jonah Williams 364 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: come about? I basically just reached out to him via 365 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: direct message, and you know, we we've talked over the years. 366 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: You know, I first met him at the Combine when 367 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: he was there, I was with Duke manny Weather just 368 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: kind of you know, networking around town in Indianapolis, and 369 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, bumped into him. So I got to at least, 370 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: you know, kind of get a face to face meeting 371 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: and just you know, put a name with the face 372 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: kind of thing. And then, uh, you know, I think 373 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: we had already been following each other and may have 374 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: talked you know, online a little bit before that, but 375 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: then after that, you know, I started asking him more 376 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: questions about like things I was seeing on film, stuff 377 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: like that, and then over the years, you know, it's 378 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: just we've just talked more and more. He's just been 379 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: really generous with his time. So I you know, thought 380 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: it would be a great thing to get him on, 381 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: you know, for a film room and actually like do 382 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: a deep dive. So that's what we were able to do. 383 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: So I'm excited about it and hopefully people get a 384 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: lot out of it. I subscribe to your newsletter. I 385 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: watched the piece. It was really informative for me because 386 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: it's technical and I don't speak the language of offensive line. 387 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: At one point, Jonah mentions Newton's second law of motion 388 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: force equals mass times acceleration and explaining one of his techniques. 389 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: What were some of your biggest takeaways first and putting 390 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: together all the video and then and discussing it with Jonah. 391 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: You know, I think you kind of touched on it. 392 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: He's he's pretty, uh, I think, analytical in his approach, 393 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, to the position, and you know he's just 394 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: just the way kind of his mind works. I guess 395 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: he could really break it down in a lot of detail, 396 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: you know, whereas there's other guys that I've talked to, 397 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, on the offensive and defensive line where they 398 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: basically just tell me they go out and they play football, 399 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: you know, they they just react to what they see 400 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: and just be an athlete or you know, just and 401 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: some guys can play in the NFL at a very 402 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: high level with that mindset, and other guys you know, 403 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: think about it. I don't know about more, but definitely differently. 404 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: So Yeah, he's just one of those guys where a 405 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: great guest to have on a film room, you know, 406 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: for people who love offensive line, because you know, he'll 407 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: talk about a lot of different techniques and details, you know, 408 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: and footwork and angles and all kinds of stuff. So 409 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: those are the kind of guests that I love having 410 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: on because I could kind of nerd out a little 411 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: bit with him, you know, on offensive line and it's great, 412 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: so that it's kind of like opened my eyes a 413 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: little bit to that being his style, and also confirmed 414 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: it a little bit as well, because you know, coming 415 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: out of Alabama, I remember I think Dane Brugler and 416 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: his draft guide had something about, you know, the I 417 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: think the Alabama coaches called him the intellectual or something 418 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: like that, you know, and he largely because of how 419 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: meticulous he was and detailed about his film study in college, 420 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: so you know, it just came across, you know, I 421 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: think in the interview too as well, so that was cool. 422 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: And then you know, more technical stuff, just like how 423 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: he dealt with the cross shop technique that pass rushers 424 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL use right now maybe more than any 425 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: other move in the NFL. His ways of going about, 426 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, countering what they're trying to do to him. 427 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: That's kind of one of the main topics I wanted 428 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: to touch on for the Film room because we had 429 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: talked about that me and him in the past, and 430 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: I've gotten some breakdowns from him that were amazing, and 431 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: I would just thought I would love to get him, 432 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: give him a little bit more of a platform to 433 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of talk about it, you know. So yeah, it was, 434 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: it was cool, it was It's pretty enlightening and uh yeah, 435 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: just a lot of fun. I think something that was 436 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: also informative for me is that you didn't put together 437 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: fifty minutes of clips of him dominating. There are some 438 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: where he dominates, but others where the guy kind of 439 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: hasn't beat many recovers and maybe kind of saves the 440 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: day at the last second. Did you find that to 441 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: be especially helpful and evaluating his play. Yeah, I mean 442 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: when I do my own evaluations, obviously, I watched the 443 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: whole entire games for college guys, pro guys, and all 444 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: see the negatives. I mean, when you do a film room, 445 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: you want to focus on the positives. Obviously. I'm not 446 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: there to present an evaluation to people. Necessarily, I'm there 447 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: to present what this guy does well, how he wins, 448 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: and then just talk football in a fun way. So 449 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: not a lot of guys like to talk about their 450 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: losses and they can't do it in a fun way obviously, 451 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: so you but at the same time, you do want 452 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: to kind of give of, you know, as well rounded 453 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: of a view as possible without doing a full evaluation 454 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: of the guy on a film room. So I do 455 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, put a couple of those in 456 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: there and hope it goes well, you know, um, because 457 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: you know they're not seeing the video prior. But yeah, 458 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, just some stuff that I think. I specifically 459 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: look for losses that I think could be good teaching 460 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: opportunities because I know my audience largely consists of players 461 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: and coaches, so I want them to see or to hear, 462 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, and see how a pro handles losses, how 463 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 1: you know, get a little insight into the perspective, how 464 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: they handle it mentally, and then you know ways that 465 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: they fix it, uh, you know, and just strategies and 466 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So that's what I did with Reshawn 467 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 1: Slater as well. When I did his film room like 468 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: a month or two ago. I put in you know, 469 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: more of his losses than I did for Jonah and 470 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: the same kind of deal. You know. It was just 471 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: really cool to you know, hear them talk because I 472 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: think they know the way I'm going about it is, 473 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, with the right intent. You know, I'm not 474 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 1: trying to make them look bad. I'm trying to, you know, 475 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: present those kind of teaching opportunities to help guys learn 476 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: who are playing and coaching the position. So I think 477 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: they're more receptive to that because of it. So, yeah, 478 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: it was good to get those in there. And I 479 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: feel like I always learned a lot in those situations, 480 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, So I'm thankful that guys are open to 481 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: talking about it. Offensive and defensive line analyst Brandon Thorne 482 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: is our guest. As Jonah watched with you, he noted 483 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: that he could really see the progression in his own 484 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: play from Week two against the Bears to playoff clips 485 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: against the Raiders. How good is he now? And how 486 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: good do you think he can be? This was his 487 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: first full season, you know, as a pro. You know, 488 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: he missed a whole rookie year, and then you know 489 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: the ten games, and now you know he played pretty 490 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: much the whole year. One p the snaps, he played 491 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: all that. So I think that's important kind of to 492 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: point out, like a backdrop to set up the answer 493 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: to the question, because I do think he still can 494 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: get better. But where he is right now, I see 495 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: him as definitely a solid, you know, average left tackle. 496 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: But I lean and I don't know if this is 497 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: biased or not, but you know, when I'm stacking, and 498 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: I'm going to write an article before the season starts 499 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: where I actually stack you know, the positions left tackle 500 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: through right tackle and everything in between, like I did 501 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: last year. So I'll have a more of a specific 502 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: answer here and probably the next month for people. But 503 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: I would definitely say he's in the top half top 504 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: sixteen left tackles in the league. And I think he's 505 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: probably you know, top twelve, maybe somewhere in there maybe, 506 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's probably you know, in that range. I think, 507 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: so closer to above average is probably how I look 508 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: at him. And I think that he could still become 509 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: very good, you know, and be a top ten left tackle. 510 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: Uh you know, I think he has that ability, So yeah, 511 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, not a crazy high ceiling. I don't ever 512 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: see him being necessarily a top five left tackle. I 513 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: don't think it's impossible, but I would be more comfortable 514 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: betting on like a top ten left tackle, and I 515 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: think I think it's really just a matter of time. 516 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if he could play, you know, another full season, 517 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: I think we'll see you know a lot of what 518 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: we saw last year and you know, some minor improvements, 519 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: which is really what is needed. Um you know, nothing 520 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: drastic needs to improve with him. I don't think it's 521 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: just it's really just staying healthy at this point and 522 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: stacking years, because man, when you go back and watch 523 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: his tape, you know, he's putting a lot of difficult situations. Obviously, 524 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: the team, the you know, the the offensive game plans 525 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: and stuff like that had to help out the right 526 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: side a lot more than the left. So he's put 527 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: on islands quite a bit. And you know, obviously in 528 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 1: that division there's some outstanding pass rushers. You know, the 529 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: amount of times that he's playing Miles Garrett one on 530 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: one is is pretty amazing. And I think he did 531 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: really well, you know, not perfect. Obviously, no tackle in 532 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: the league is going to be perfect against Miles Garrett 533 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: that often, you know, with that many reps against him, 534 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: but man, he did a lot of really good things 535 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: against Miles Garrett last year and the prior year as well. Um, 536 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: So he has that ability to go out and play 537 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: on an island against elite level competition and do well. 538 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: And I think that's an incredibly important thing for a 539 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: left tackle. Um now at this point, it's about refining 540 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: little things with his technique and being more consistent so 541 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: he can be even better because it you know, there 542 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: is room for improvement. But but he has that ability though, 543 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: and you know that's that's huge for a left tackle. 544 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: And in the run game, I think he's definitely good, 545 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, above average right now. He always has been 546 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: since Alabama. He's a well round player. So that's what 547 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: I've always liked about him coming out and everything. He's 548 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: well rounded. So yeah, I would say, you know, average 549 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: to above average right now. And you know climbing. Brandon 550 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: Thorn is our guest. He is the author of the 551 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: Trench Warfare newsletter. We did a segment for this podcast 552 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: prior to the start of free agency, and the Bengals 553 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: went out and spent heavily. I'm going to give you 554 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: the three guys that they signed and ask you to 555 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: give some observations about each of the three. So right 556 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: tackle l Collins, he'll be twenty nine this month, six 557 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: years of NFL experience. I'm quitting previous time with offensive 558 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: line coach Frank Pollock. Right guard Alex Kappa, he's twenty seven, 559 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: four years in Tampa Bay as starter on a Super 560 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: Bowl team. And center Ted Carris, he's twenty nine, six 561 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: years in the NFL, started the last three years with 562 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: the Patriots and the Dolphins. Your thoughts on the trio 563 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: of Collins, Kappa and Carris and the impact they could have. 564 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: I like this trio. I think the right side of 565 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: this offensive line is going to be dramatically better than 566 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: last year. You know, I don't think it would have 567 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: been too difficult to be better than last year, but 568 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: this is a pretty significant climb. I think that people 569 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: should expect from the right side, you know, arguably the 570 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: worst right side in the league last year at different times, 571 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, if Reef wasn't out there, especially, but man, 572 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean Alex Kappa and Leo Collins. I think that's 573 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: going to be a really good duel on the right side. 574 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: Leo Collins is I think, you know, when healthy, you know, 575 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: which is another question, you know, but if he's healthy, 576 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: you're looking at, you know, a borderline top five right 577 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: tackle in the league, certainly a top five or three 578 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: run blocking right tackle. He's just a total stud as 579 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: a run blocker and pass protection. There's just not a 580 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: lot of tackles in the league as big and as 581 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: strong as he is and is physical, so he brings 582 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: that element to the offense that he's just going to 583 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: train informed the way it looks, you know when you're 584 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: watching them play. He's just going to bring kind of 585 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: a tone setting presence to the to the line. That's 586 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: going to be really cool to see Um at a 587 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: position that you know has been a major concern for 588 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: the team. So that one is my favorite signing, you know, 589 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: and I think most people you know think he's probably 590 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: the best signing UM and uh Kappa you know, has 591 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: been solid for a while now, and he's gotten better 592 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: every year he's been in the league. Almost He's kind 593 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: of like Jonah in some ways where maybe not like 594 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: the most physically gifted guy in terms of like you know, height, weight, length, 595 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: athletic ability, you know, more of kind of like at 596 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: that baseline level that you need. But man, really crafty, 597 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: technically sound, tough, you know. So he's going to be 598 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: a steady presence more than anything, I think. And then 599 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: Carriss would be the third guy UM that I would rank, 600 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, after those two. Carriss is at this point 601 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: to me a guy who could potentially be steady, but 602 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: to me is more so like a really high end swing, 603 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: backup interior guy who could back up both guard spots 604 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: and center. He could start for you and you'll be fine. 605 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: There's gonna be matchups that are going to be an issue, 606 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, if he's isolated against high level interior pass 607 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: rushers and different you know, things like that. But you 608 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: know you can get by with him, you know, So 609 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: that that's how I view him. You know, ideally you 610 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: would love to see you know, that position may be 611 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: upgraded in the next year or two, but hey, you know, 612 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two, with what you have around him 613 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: and everything, I think that it'll be just fine. But 614 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: like I said, there's gonna be some isolated situations where 615 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: he might be able to be exposed a little bit 616 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: more than the other guys. So, but yeah, he brings 617 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: a lot, like off the field, a lot of the 618 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: intangible type stuff that is hard to quantify that will 619 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: be valuable for the actual offensive line room with his 620 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: experience and you know, smarts and stuff like that. So 621 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: he's going to bring value that we're not going to 622 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: be able to necessarily measure either, So I think that's 623 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: part of his appeal. But yeah, that's kind of how 624 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: I feel about those guys. Left guard is still up 625 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: for grabs. Jackson Carmen, came Identagy, rookie, Cordell Volson, perhaps 626 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: others will be in the mix for that position. Do 627 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: you think that the Bengals will get competent play out 628 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: of one of those guys. I mean, I think Jackson 629 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: Carmen could still be a good player. I've said this 630 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: on other podcasts, and you know, if you read my 631 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: evaluation of him coming out of Clemson, you probably get 632 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: the same idea. You know, I think coming out his 633 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: technique was very inconsistent. He played left tackle, you know, 634 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: that's evaluated him a left tackle, but I projected him 635 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: as a guard. And yeah, I mean I think his 636 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: his use of hands are going to have to get better. 637 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: He's going to have to clean that up and not 638 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, let guys get underneath and inside of him 639 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: as often as they do play with the better leverage, 640 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, more better, just better overall technique. But in 641 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: terms of like physical gifts, size, athletic ability, he's very physical, competitive, 642 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: toughness I think is good. Like, he has a lot 643 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: of elements that you can't teach that are valuable that 644 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: suggests that he can develop into a quality, quality starting 645 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: guard more so than anybody else I see on the 646 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: roster in terms of like physical traits. So for that 647 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: reason and due to his age, being as young as 648 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: he is, that's the guy that I would hope wins 649 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: the job. And I would expect him to win the job, 650 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: assuming off the field and you know, work ethic stuff 651 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: and all that stuff checks out and he's you know, 652 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: dialed in and all that kind of stuff. Mentally, he 653 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: to me is the guy that you want to win 654 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: this job because his upside is deaf only the highest um. 655 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: And it's I think a really nice duo to be 656 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: in between and Jonah and Kerass, you know um just 657 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: kind of the way they play, uh and and everything. 658 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: I just think that that that could really help him, 659 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, having those two guys who are you know, 660 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: more technically sound, you know, more more steady, That that 661 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: can really help a young guy, you know, to kind 662 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: of sandwich him in between two guys like that. So 663 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: I like, I mean, I feel like the floor is 664 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: his now you know like he's in a good position 665 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: to succeed. He has a good coach. You know, he's 666 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: in between two good players or two you know, quality 667 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: players one good player, I would say, you know, an 668 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: a quality player, So like, yeah, that would be my 669 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: pick there um, And I'm excited to see what happens, 670 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, because he has a lot of talent. Man, 671 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: it's just if if he could put it together now 672 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: at this point, Brandon Thorn is our guest. You can 673 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter at Brandon Thorne NFL. We hear 674 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: which is say that offensive lineman make a big jump 675 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: from year one to year two. The PFF grades don't 676 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: necessarily show that. Where do you fall on that idea 677 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: that from year one to year two is a big 678 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: jump for offensive lineman. You know, I haven't done a 679 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: league wide study on that, so I don't know that 680 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: I have, you know, a great opinion on it. But 681 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: I think even if I did do like a study 682 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: on that, I think it really comes down to a 683 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: case by case basis. I mean, you might be able 684 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: to identify some trends if you do the study, but 685 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: it really is a case by case basis. You have 686 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: to look at who the player. Is his situation? Does 687 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: he have the same offensive line coach from year one 688 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: to year two? Is he playing in the same offensive 689 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: scheme year one to year two? Is he playing next 690 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: to different guys year one to year two? What kind 691 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: of injury did he have? Did he end his first 692 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: year with an injury? Did he end his first year 693 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: on a high note? You know, in the list goes 694 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: on of all this context that you just don't have. So, 695 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't want to cop out 696 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: the answer, but I feel like that's my answer. You know, 697 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: it's a case by case basis. Really final question for 698 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: Brandon Thorne. You did a lengthy review of the draft 699 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: in your Trench Warfare newsletter, and under the category of 700 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: top ten biggest values, you listed Ben Brown, an interior 701 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, out of all miss that the Bengals didn't draft, 702 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: they signed him as an undrafted free agent. What do 703 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: you think of Ben Bryant? Yeah, he was a guy 704 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: that I watched late in the process for Bleacher Report. 705 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: You know, he was one of the last guys after 706 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: I was through. You know, I don't remember how many 707 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: I watched sixty guys or whatever. On the offensive line. 708 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: He was one of the last guys. But he struck 709 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: me as a guy who could come in, earn a 710 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: role on an offensive line as a backup early and 711 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: provide value in multiple positions center and guard. And you 712 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: know that's primary early due to his size. Just he 713 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: plays with a very wide basse, strong base, so balance 714 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: as well, and he's strong. I think his strength is solid, 715 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: and he's very physical, very experienced and inside zone and 716 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: gap concepts in the run game, which translates to most 717 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: schemes in the NFL. He definitely needs to kind of 718 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: clean up, you know, his play speed and body control, 719 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: to me were kind of some of the issues that 720 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: I saw on tape, so and and that kind of 721 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: play that kind of shows themselves in different ways. You know. 722 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: I think processing skills can get a little cleaner, reading 723 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: things out quicker, you know, things that are technically coachable 724 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: not always fixed. But for the most part, I thought 725 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: that there was a foundation in place here with him 726 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: with his size, arm length is very good as well, 727 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, and strength that he could earn a role. 728 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: So I had a six round great on him. You know, 729 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: for me, that's a backup guy who's draftable at least, 730 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: so when you guys signed him in the undrafted pool. 731 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: I thought that was good value because to me, you know, 732 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: he was like a late day three kind of guy. So, yeah, 733 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys I would loved to have gotten, 734 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: you know, where the Bengals did and just bring him in. 735 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, see how he absorbs the playbook. You know, 736 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: you know, he could play multiple positions. He has some 737 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: good size, physicality, some pretty good technique in the run game. Yeah. 738 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: So he's a guy who would have liked to take 739 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: a swing on and I'm glad the Bengals did. I 740 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: think that he has a shot to you know, practice squad. 741 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: You know maybe or you know one of the maybe 742 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: that seventh offensive line spot potentially, but you know, just 743 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: one of those guys that you could develop and you 744 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: might have something down the road. We will definitely have 745 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: a close eye on him in a training camp. Looking 746 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: forward to seeing all of these guys. And again, I 747 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: really enjoyed the film study with Jonah Williams. I can't 748 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: wait to discuss it with Jonah when I see him 749 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: in late July at training camp. As I mentioned, I 750 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: started subscribing to the Trench Warfare newsletter a little while 751 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: ago It's great content for those of us who are 752 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: always interested in learning more about offensive and defensive line play. 753 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: Tell folks how they can subscribe and the types of 754 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: things they get in the Trench Warfare newsletter. Yeah, so 755 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: people can go to Trench Warfare dot substack dot com 756 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: and I mean you could just pretty much subscribe there. 757 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: You know, you enter your email address in and there's 758 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: different options that you can select, and I try and 759 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: get an article out every week and that's kind of 760 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: the goal. So, you know, the last few weeks was 761 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: a little up and down because of kind of the 762 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 1: time of the year, but throughout the season, I'm pretty 763 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: consistent with that, and you know, had the Jonah Film Room. 764 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: I have another very exciting film room for me personally 765 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: coming out Monday, and that's with Raiders left tackle, former 766 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 1: left tackle Donald Penn and former left guard Collecchio Smile 767 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: or Ko as a lot of people know them. Those 768 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: two guys. That twenty sixteen Raiders team offensive line was 769 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: one of the best offensive lines I've watched since twenty thirteen, 770 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, maybe the most physical offensive line I've ever seen, 771 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: and those two guys were a big part of it. 772 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 1: So I had them both on for a film room 773 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: that's about an hour long, and we just watched tape 774 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen because they were together 775 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: then as well. They both made Pro Bowls those years. 776 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: Ko was a first team All Pro. So I feel 777 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: like having those guys on to it was really cool 778 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: because they kind of got to reunite, which was awesome. 779 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: So it was a lot of fun. But then also 780 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: just the insight from those two was incredible. They picked 781 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: up right away, they knew details from the games, they 782 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: knew calls, they knew. It was incredible to listen to 783 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: them talk. So I think people who want to learn 784 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: more players, coaches as well all that are going to 785 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: get a lot out of that. So film rooms I 786 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: love doing those, and then in season I do a 787 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: whole bunch of different stuff. Film rooms a grade every 788 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 1: sack in the NFL and assign a grade to it, 789 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: a bunch of different cool stuff, try to break down 790 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 1: techniques and Yeah, so if you want to learn more 791 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: about offensive defensive line, I think it's a good resource. 792 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: It definitely is. I'm enjoying it immensely and I always 793 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,439 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on branded Absolutely thanks 794 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: for having me. That's going to do it for this 795 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: episode of The Bengals Booth Podcast, presented by Ultimate Bengals. 796 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: Download Ultimate Bengals ahead of the twenty twenty two season. 797 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: It's free to play next level fantasy football with fantastic 798 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: Bengals prizes. Get it now on the App Store and 799 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: Google Play. And if you haven't done so already, please 800 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: subscribe to this podcast and if you have a minute, 801 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: give it a rating or share a comment that helps 802 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: more Bengals fans find us. I'm Dan Horde and thanks 803 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: for listening to The Bengals Booth Podcast. St