WEBVTT - Will Ghislaine Maxwell Testify?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there are folks. It's July thirty first, and she

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<v Speaker 1>just might be the most talked about and the most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful prisoner in the United States of America. Glaine Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody wants to know what she knows, and she ain't

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<v Speaker 1>talking officially just yet. Welcome everybody to this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and TJ Presents and Robes. This is miss popularity

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<v Speaker 1>these days, Glaine Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, depending on how you want to describe her, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she's popular in the fact that she is the woman

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<v Speaker 2>who can shed all the light on this mysterious topic

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<v Speaker 2>that has plagued so many people for so long, from

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<v Speaker 2>the victims to the alleged men it's supposed to implicate,

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<v Speaker 2>just to this entire enterprise of sex trafficking that was

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<v Speaker 2>clearly going on for years and years and years at

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and his right hand Elaine Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's wildly unpopular and popular all at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the Epstein died in his prison cell, died by

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<v Speaker 1>suicide in twenty nineteen. He was never held accountable for

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<v Speaker 1>his crimes. He died beforehand, those crimes prosecutors say were

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<v Speaker 1>not possible without Glaine Maxwell. She was convicted of being

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<v Speaker 1>specifically a co conspirator. She is in jail for the

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<v Speaker 1>crimes that she participated in, which were the same crimes

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<v Speaker 1>that Jeffrey Epstein participated in. So this is just not

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<v Speaker 1>some woman who has been scapegoated. Prosecutors would tell you

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<v Speaker 1>this is a woman who was fully involved and active

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<v Speaker 1>and recruiting and grooming and helping to sexually abuse young girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and if you talk to any of their victims,

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<v Speaker 2>And I did speak to Virginia Roberts, who now goes

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<v Speaker 2>by Virginia Roberts Jiuffrey trying to remember how to say

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<v Speaker 2>her last name correctly, but that was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>I ever even heard the name Glaine Maxwell. And she

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<v Speaker 2>was very very quick to point out that Glaine was

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<v Speaker 2>just as bad as Jeffrey Epstein because she was the

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<v Speaker 2>one who went out and found these young women. She

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<v Speaker 2>was the one who had direct contact with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Told them, Hey, just want to have you do a.

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<v Speaker 2>Massage for somebody, and then escalated and escalated and escalated,

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<v Speaker 2>but made them feel safe because it was a woman

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<v Speaker 2>talking to them and bringing them in and bringing them

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<v Speaker 2>in under her arms, so to speak, being like a

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<v Speaker 2>mother maternal figure to these young women. All the while

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<v Speaker 2>she knew exactly what was going to happen to them

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<v Speaker 2>and exactly what was going to be taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the recruiter. This is classic grooming, giving them gifts,

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<v Speaker 1>making them feel good, and it was classic classic grooming.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she's appealing her and she can appeal it all

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<v Speaker 1>day long. But she right now is a convicted conspirator.

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<v Speaker 1>She is convicted of sex trafficking. She is convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>these things. She's not alleged to have done this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>She has been convicted. Now her name, like you just

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<v Speaker 1>sayd Robes, you heard her name for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>during an interview. A lot of people are hearing the

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<v Speaker 1>name and hearing it a lot now. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason we are where we are, and Robes, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to go back last month. What started this whole mess?

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<v Speaker 1>Really is the DOJ coming out and telling the world

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<v Speaker 1>no more Epstein files will be released. This matter is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially closed. There is no Epstein list. And yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>killed himself in jail. This is the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>And hell no. There was a revolt almost among some

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump's own not just some a bunch of Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>own followers.

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<v Speaker 2>The Magabase the Magabase was outraged because this has been

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<v Speaker 2>a big cornerstone, I mean transparency conspiracy theories. So Trump

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<v Speaker 2>even campaigned on it, saying, I am going to shed

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<v Speaker 2>light and give all the information out, not just in

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<v Speaker 2>the Epstein files, but he talked about the MLK JFK assassination,

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<v Speaker 2>all of these folks who believe something nefarious was going

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<v Speaker 2>on within the government to conspire to hide what really happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yes, this is the most recent of those conspiracies.

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<v Speaker 2>But certainly everyone was waiting for that smoking gun or

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<v Speaker 2>for that piece of paper with names on it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have found it unbelievably insane to think that all

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<v Speaker 2>this time, it's been what six years now, pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>almost to the day that Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide

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<v Speaker 2>in his jail sale, that you're telling me that no

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Justice member, no one had a direct interview

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<v Speaker 2>with Glenne Maxwell, no one was able to actually ask

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<v Speaker 2>her what she knows what happened. I understand the whole

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<v Speaker 2>idea of her not wanting to not wanting to incriminate herself,

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<v Speaker 2>so she probably took the fifth, But why that wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have ever been of interest for prosecutors to find out

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<v Speaker 2>what she knows before even going forward with her case

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<v Speaker 2>and going forward with her convictions.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe they didn't think they needed her because they

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<v Speaker 1>were still in the process of I mean, Epstein was

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<v Speaker 1>still alive at the time. Maybe they didn't know how

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<v Speaker 1>much they needed her testimony at the time, how important

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<v Speaker 1>she was. But after he died, they certainly needed a

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<v Speaker 1>conviction of some kind. People were pissed when he died,

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<v Speaker 1>and many still will never believe that he killed himself

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. Ever, So twenty twenty one comes along and

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<v Speaker 1>she ends up being on trial and getting convicted, and

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<v Speaker 1>she is the one making an argument that she's being skateboarded.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was just saying how we got here and

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<v Speaker 1>while we're here, Yes, one that happened with DOJ. But

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<v Speaker 1>then the story about the birthday book came out ramped

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<v Speaker 1>this up even more. That Trump sent in a birthday

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<v Speaker 1>letter to Jeffrey Epstein in a leather bound birthday celebration

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<v Speaker 1>book for his fiftieth birthday. Fiftieth birthday that Robes, they say,

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<v Speaker 1>Glaine Maxwell put together, so that big story comes up.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump sues the Wall Street Journal for this, So this

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<v Speaker 1>became a bigger thing and gave us something else to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about with Glaine Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and then on top of that, Pam Bondy, it appears,

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<v Speaker 2>let Trump know that his name was in the files,

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<v Speaker 2>not that he was incriminated in any way in participating

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<v Speaker 2>in any illegal act, want to make that very very clear,

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<v Speaker 2>but that his name does appear in the Jeffrey Epstein file.

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<v Speaker 2>So you put all that together, and folks are and

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<v Speaker 2>his own base was turning against him and saying, this

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<v Speaker 2>is transparency is needed right now. We need more files,

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<v Speaker 2>we need more information. And it looked as though to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of folks that Trump was covering it up

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<v Speaker 2>because he didn't want his name to get out.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have that issue. And then just this week

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<v Speaker 1>she officially appealed her conviction to the Supreme Court. That

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<v Speaker 1>put her name in the headlines as well. So all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things started to collect collect, collect, where everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is talking about Glene Maxwell. She did her interview with

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice. The Deputy Attorney General Todd Blant,

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<v Speaker 1>spent two days with her last Thursday and Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it nine hours nine hours and now one hundred names,

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<v Speaker 2>questions and answers, and of course We didn't hear anything

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<v Speaker 2>directly from the Department of Justice, nothing from Blanche himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He did say he would talk about what was said

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<v Speaker 2>what he learned at a later date, but we immediately

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much heard from Gallaine Maxwell's attorney, who yes, said

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<v Speaker 2>that she gave or at least answered questions about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred names and gave details and she didn't hold anything back.

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<v Speaker 1>Said claim she answered every single question, never said nope,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to talk about this person or that person.

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<v Speaker 1>Answered every question. Limited immunity they say they gave her.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not exactly how much she was covered on in that,

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<v Speaker 1>but she got limited immunity at least in talking to

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice last week. So what's the next move?

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<v Speaker 1>And remind I don't know if you knew a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this stuff. I didn't really know her background. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know who Gallaine Maxwell was. She's sixty three years

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<v Speaker 1>old now, but I didn't realize she grew up privileged,

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<v Speaker 1>like really, yes, privileged with a billionaire dad in the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>and people keep wanting to talk about she grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in a fifty one room mansion in the UK. I'm like, hell,

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<v Speaker 1>she grew up very privileged and went to Oxford. She

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<v Speaker 1>was at the height of society over there in the

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<v Speaker 1>u K.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was somebody who was connected, and so was

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein. So the two of them were a powerful

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<v Speaker 2>and they were a couple for a little while. They

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<v Speaker 2>dated and then dated briefly and then became friends and

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<v Speaker 2>then business partners, so to speak. And wherever Jeffrey Epstein was,

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<v Speaker 2>you would find Glaine Maxwell, because yes, she was highly connected.

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<v Speaker 2>And you hear about all the reports and the ties

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<v Speaker 2>to the royal family, it all makes sense she had

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<v Speaker 2>those ties. As you pointed out, her dad was a billionaire.

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<v Speaker 3>He did die a mysterious death.

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<v Speaker 1>They still they claim, well, he fell off of yacht

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't know if it was a suicide or

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<v Speaker 1>an accident. But she ended up staying in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>in part because the family name had essentially been run

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<v Speaker 1>through the mud over there because of her dad. He

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<v Speaker 1>turns out he defrauded a pension fund of eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars. His wealth was essentially just all smoke and

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<v Speaker 1>mirrors after his death, they found that out. So she

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<v Speaker 1>had come over here kind of. I didn't realize her

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<v Speaker 1>dad owned the Daily News at one point, the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Daily News, like he was a big time dude

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<v Speaker 1>in publishing. But she comes here kind of as an

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<v Speaker 1>emissary to his company. They said, yeah, stick around over it.

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<v Speaker 1>And what does she do? She plays the game she

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<v Speaker 1>knows how to play, and she finds Jeffrey Epstein and

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<v Speaker 1>she starts introducing him to people she knows in these circles,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just goes and go. It's just amazing to

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<v Speaker 1>hear how she left that life there and built a

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<v Speaker 1>whole new life of wealth and society and running in

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<v Speaker 1>those circles here, and her running buddy was Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wealth and society and crime. The apple didn't fall

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<v Speaker 2>far from the tree crime and power. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly what she exerted and was essential to the crimes

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<v Speaker 2>that Epstein committed. He couldn't have committed them without her.

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<v Speaker 1>That's their prosecutor saying heiod could not.

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<v Speaker 2>Happen, period. And that is from everything that the victims

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<v Speaker 2>have testified to and said she was as much a

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<v Speaker 2>factor in what happened to them as Jeffrey Epstein himself. Was.

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<v Speaker 1>How much are we going to eventually hear from her?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know. She has been subpoena by a House

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<v Speaker 1>Oversight committee, and she initially rose right through. Attorney says

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to take the fifth. You can call her

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<v Speaker 1>all day long. She'll show up for a subpoena, but

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to plete the fifth. But then she gave

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<v Speaker 1>it a thought. I don't know if it was the

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<v Speaker 1>very next day, but it was soon after. They say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>she'll talk, and she has conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no question that Glenn Maxwell wants to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of prison sooner rather than later. And she knows she's

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<v Speaker 2>holding a for lack of a better term, Trump card.

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<v Speaker 2>She knows that she is pretty much the only one

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<v Speaker 2>with verifiable information. She knows what happened, and she knows

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<v Speaker 2>who all was involved. And her lawyer was very quick

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<v Speaker 2>to say, hey, if she gets clemency, basically, if President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump wants to pardon her, she'll tell you everything. She

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<v Speaker 2>won't hold anything back, and she will clear up misconception

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<v Speaker 2>and miscommunications that have been disseminated to the public. You

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<v Speaker 2>hear that, and every person who has a conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 2>in their mind, or who knows or who believes that

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<v Speaker 2>not all the information has been given out, and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>there are people who would likely be perhaps implicated, are

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<v Speaker 2>right now free, But how concerned are they right now?

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<v Speaker 2>If Glen Maxwell decides to sing, and she claims she's

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<v Speaker 2>only going to do it if basically she can get

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of a deal. Either she gets immunity so

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't affect her appeal to the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 2>or she gets some sort of ataboy, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 2>reduced sentence, whether it's a commuted sentence, whether it's just

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<v Speaker 2>less time behind bars, or maybe in a different setting.

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<v Speaker 2>She wants something. She knows she has some power and

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<v Speaker 2>she wants something in return.

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<v Speaker 1>That's her only card to play. So you're damn right

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to hold on to it. But she says

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<v Speaker 1>she's willing to testify in public.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? And look, you know her brother has come out

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<v Speaker 2>in defense of her and has said that she's escape

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<v Speaker 2>goat as well. He feels like she's been unfairly targeted

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<v Speaker 2>and punished for the crimes of someone else. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>also said very publicly that he is concerned about her safety. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of folks point to the fact that you

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<v Speaker 2>have Jeffrey Epstein who died by suicide according to the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Justice, and plenty of other folks, But there are,

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<v Speaker 2>like you pointed out, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Lot of folks will never believe that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have Virginia Roberts Jeffrey, who also just recently,

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<v Speaker 2>sadly and.

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<v Speaker 3>Tragically died by suicide as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's just a lot of concerned about folks

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<v Speaker 2>safety involved in this story. A lot of victims are

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to speak out. I know there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these lawyers who represented these victims who are concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about speaking out. There is real fear about safety, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's scary in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there are just there. Just we've reeled off two

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<v Speaker 1>people connected to this story who new information, who are

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<v Speaker 1>victims of all of this died by suicide. Okay, people

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<v Speaker 1>do die by suicide. It happens in a case like this.

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<v Speaker 1>People that closely involved in this very very any working

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<v Speaker 1>of this whole scandal end up dead. Yet other people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be nervous about it. I'm not making

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<v Speaker 1>a suggestion that anything happened to them, but people will

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<v Speaker 1>raise their eyebrows when something like this happened. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Jewfrey, Yeah, the talk now about Glainne Maxwell possibly

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<v Speaker 1>getting a pardon. You want to hear what Virginia Gewphray's

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<v Speaker 1>family thinks about that idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ Presents,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are talking about the woman everyone's talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>Glaine Maxwell and her bid at least to have some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of She wants to either half her sentence commuted,

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<v Speaker 2>She would like to have her sentence reduced. She would

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<v Speaker 2>like to be pardoned in exchange for the information she

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<v Speaker 2>has on Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 3>And she claims she can.

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<v Speaker 2>Put all these conspiracy theorists to rest. She claims she

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<v Speaker 2>can make sure that any misinformation or miscommunication is rectified

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<v Speaker 2>because she knows information that truly no one else would

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<v Speaker 2>or could.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we make of that? The public? I think

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<v Speaker 1>many obviously there's an increased interest. Can we trust her?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you trust what she says? I don't know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people say, hey, this is a criminal and

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<v Speaker 1>a liar. What's the point. Why are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>make a deal. The House Oversight Committee, they already said no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to give her immunity. No, absolutely not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do so. They're going to have a change

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<v Speaker 1>of heart. I don't know, but to that point she

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<v Speaker 1>gets up there, raises her hand, I swear to tell

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<v Speaker 1>the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Is she going to She's already perjured herself several times.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what prosecutors will tell you. However, it's undeniable that

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<v Speaker 2>she does have the information. Whether she tells the truth

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<v Speaker 2>or not, who knows, but it is undeniable she knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine there being an ounce of them from

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<v Speaker 1>an ounce of information that Jeffrey Epstein had that she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't currently have.

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<v Speaker 3>Agreed, she arranged it all agreed, like she did it

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<v Speaker 3>all agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's interesting because Trump, you know, has been

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<v Speaker 2>trying to deflect, and a lot of folks will say

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<v Speaker 2>all these things you've been seeing on social media are

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<v Speaker 2>all on attempt to distract and deflect. But he did

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<v Speaker 2>make a statement about Virginia Jeffrey, and he mentioned this

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<v Speaker 2>because he was trying to explain why his relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein ended. And he's given different accounts, but this

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<v Speaker 2>latest one he did say was that Jeffrey Epstein was

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<v Speaker 2>going into his spa mar A Lago, going into his

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<v Speaker 2>resort and plucking young women and stealing them from him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he mentioned Virginia specifically, and it's that is very true.

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia absolutely talked about being a worker at the spa

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<v Speaker 2>and that that has when Glen Maxwell came up to

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<v Speaker 2>her and propositioned her to give some massages, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just evolved. She was sixteen years old, TJ sixteen years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and she talked about this painfully, that she really did

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<v Speaker 2>go into it. She needed money, she had come from

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<v Speaker 2>a broken home. They were offering her, I think three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred bucks to give some guy a massage.

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<v Speaker 3>But it escalated from there and then she talked.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she really really really spoke out about Galaine

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's no surprise then when you hear Trump

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned Virginia's name. Virginia's family then spoke out and they

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<v Speaker 2>released this statement and it is powerful and we'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to read it for you in its entirety.

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<v Speaker 1>Well in terms of how he mentioned Virginia on the

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<v Speaker 1>he was on Air Force One. He was asked about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the families respond to that when they say it

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<v Speaker 1>was shocking to hear President Trump invoke our sister and

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<v Speaker 1>say that he was aware that Virginia had been stolen

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<v Speaker 1>from our alago. It makes us ask if he was

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<v Speaker 1>aware of Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell's criminal actions, especially

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<v Speaker 1>given his statement two years later that his good friend

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey likes women on the younger side, No doubt about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We in the public are asking for answers. Survivors deserve this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an odd choice. I guess you could try

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<v Speaker 1>to give him the benefit of the doubt. But to

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<v Speaker 1>say he stole he stole this girl as if she

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<v Speaker 1>were property, it just sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>It not only sounds bad on that part, but also

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it sounds as if he knew what

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein was.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing, coaching them for what purpose exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And doing well with it resort, so that's also appalling.

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<v Speaker 2>But the family equivocally says that they do not want

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<v Speaker 2>to pardon for Ghlaine Maxwell. They say the government and

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<v Speaker 2>the president should never consider giving Gallaine Maxwell any leniency.

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<v Speaker 2>Glaine Maxwell is a monster who deserves to rot in

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<v Speaker 2>prison for the rest of her life for the extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>violence and abuse she put not just our sister Virginia through,

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<v Speaker 2>but many other survivors who may number in the thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that is a powerful and understandable statement. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>just after her death. Her family released something she wrote

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<v Speaker 2>just before her death by suicide, and this just speaks

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<v Speaker 2>to where Virginia's mind's mind was.

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<v Speaker 3>Mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to show the battle lines are drawn and stand

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<v Speaker 2>together to fight for the future of victims. Is protesting

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<v Speaker 2>the answer? I don't know, but we've got to start somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened to her and what she went through never

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<v Speaker 2>left her. She lived with it every single day and

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<v Speaker 2>it's so tragic that her life ended so soon.

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<v Speaker 1>And she is not quite yet resting in peace. Because

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<v Speaker 1>this story continues, folks, we will continue to stay on

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<v Speaker 1>top of it. Watch the updates for the updates here

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<v Speaker 1>on Amy and TJ Presents. It appears there will be

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<v Speaker 1>updates damn near every day, but we will update you

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<v Speaker 1>as often as we can specifically in this feed. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>you can keep up with us on the morning run

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<v Speaker 1>for the daily headlines on our regular Amy and TJ podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>But this story Robes is not going away, and some

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<v Speaker 1>degree might just be getting started at least this next phase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think everyone wants transparency, everyone wants information. Knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>is power, and we certainly hope we get it, but

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<v Speaker 2>not at the expense of the victims who certainly want

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<v Speaker 2>Colne Maxwell to pay the price for her criminal actions.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that we want to thank you for listening

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<v Speaker 2>to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. Please have a wonderful day, everybody,