Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It's July thirty first, and she
Speaker 1: just might be the most talked about and the most
Speaker 1: powerful prisoner in the United States of America. Glaine Maxwell.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to know what she knows, and she ain't
Speaker 1: talking officially just yet. Welcome everybody to this episode of
Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents and Robes. This is miss popularity
Speaker 1: these days, Glaine Maxwell.
Speaker 2: Well, depending on how you want to describe her, Yes,
Speaker 2: she's popular in the fact that she is the woman
Speaker 2: who can shed all the light on this mysterious topic
Speaker 2: that has plagued so many people for so long, from
Speaker 2: the victims to the alleged men it's supposed to implicate,
Speaker 2: just to this entire enterprise of sex trafficking that was
Speaker 2: clearly going on for years and years and years at
Speaker 2: the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and his right hand Elaine Maxwell.
Speaker 2: So she's wildly unpopular and popular all at the same time.
Speaker 1: Okay, the Epstein died in his prison cell, died by
Speaker 1: suicide in twenty nineteen. He was never held accountable for
Speaker 1: his crimes. He died beforehand, those crimes prosecutors say were
Speaker 1: not possible without Glaine Maxwell. She was convicted of being
Speaker 1: specifically a co conspirator. She is in jail for the
Speaker 1: crimes that she participated in, which were the same crimes
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein participated in. So this is just not
Speaker 1: some woman who has been scapegoated. Prosecutors would tell you
Speaker 1: this is a woman who was fully involved and active
Speaker 1: and recruiting and grooming and helping to sexually abuse young girls.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and if you talk to any of their victims,
Speaker 2: And I did speak to Virginia Roberts, who now goes
Speaker 2: by Virginia Roberts Jiuffrey trying to remember how to say
Speaker 2: her last name correctly, but that was the first time
Speaker 2: I ever even heard the name Glaine Maxwell. And she
Speaker 2: was very very quick to point out that Glaine was
Speaker 2: just as bad as Jeffrey Epstein because she was the
Speaker 2: one who went out and found these young women. She
Speaker 2: was the one who had direct contact with them.
Speaker 3: Told them, Hey, just want to have you do a.
Speaker 2: Massage for somebody, and then escalated and escalated and escalated,
Speaker 2: but made them feel safe because it was a woman
Speaker 2: talking to them and bringing them in and bringing them
Speaker 2: in under her arms, so to speak, being like a
Speaker 2: mother maternal figure to these young women. All the while
Speaker 2: she knew exactly what was going to happen to them
Speaker 2: and exactly what was going to be taking place.
Speaker 1: She was the recruiter. This is classic grooming, giving them gifts,
Speaker 1: making them feel good, and it was classic classic grooming.
Speaker 1: Now she's appealing her and she can appeal it all
Speaker 1: day long. But she right now is a convicted conspirator.
Speaker 1: She is convicted of sex trafficking. She is convicted of
Speaker 1: these things. She's not alleged to have done this stuff.
Speaker 1: She has been convicted. Now her name, like you just
Speaker 1: sayd Robes, you heard her name for the first time
Speaker 1: during an interview. A lot of people are hearing the
Speaker 1: name and hearing it a lot now. And there's a
Speaker 1: reason we are where we are, and Robes, we have
Speaker 1: to go back last month. What started this whole mess?
Speaker 1: Really is the DOJ coming out and telling the world
Speaker 1: no more Epstein files will be released. This matter is
Speaker 1: essentially closed. There is no Epstein list. And yes, he
Speaker 1: killed himself in jail. This is the end of the story.
Speaker 1: And hell no. There was a revolt almost among some
Speaker 1: of Trump's own not just some a bunch of Trump's
Speaker 1: own followers.
Speaker 2: The Magabase the Magabase was outraged because this has been
Speaker 2: a big cornerstone, I mean transparency conspiracy theories. So Trump
Speaker 2: even campaigned on it, saying, I am going to shed
Speaker 2: light and give all the information out, not just in
Speaker 2: the Epstein files, but he talked about the MLK JFK assassination,
Speaker 2: all of these folks who believe something nefarious was going
Speaker 2: on within the government to conspire to hide what really happened.
Speaker 2: And so yes, this is the most recent of those conspiracies.
Speaker 2: But certainly everyone was waiting for that smoking gun or
Speaker 2: for that piece of paper with names on it. And
Speaker 2: I have found it unbelievably insane to think that all
Speaker 2: this time, it's been what six years now, pretty much
Speaker 2: almost to the day that Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide
Speaker 2: in his jail sale, that you're telling me that no
Speaker 2: Department of Justice member, no one had a direct interview
Speaker 2: with Glenne Maxwell, no one was able to actually ask
Speaker 2: her what she knows what happened. I understand the whole
Speaker 2: idea of her not wanting to not wanting to incriminate herself,
Speaker 2: so she probably took the fifth, But why that wouldn't
Speaker 2: have ever been of interest for prosecutors to find out
Speaker 2: what she knows before even going forward with her case
Speaker 2: and going forward with her convictions.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe they didn't think they needed her because they
Speaker 1: were still in the process of I mean, Epstein was
Speaker 1: still alive at the time. Maybe they didn't know how
Speaker 1: much they needed her testimony at the time, how important
Speaker 1: she was. But after he died, they certainly needed a
Speaker 1: conviction of some kind. People were pissed when he died,
Speaker 1: and many still will never believe that he killed himself
Speaker 1: in prison. Ever, So twenty twenty one comes along and
Speaker 1: she ends up being on trial and getting convicted, and
Speaker 1: she is the one making an argument that she's being skateboarded.
Speaker 1: So I was just saying how we got here and
Speaker 1: while we're here, Yes, one that happened with DOJ. But
Speaker 1: then the story about the birthday book came out ramped
Speaker 1: this up even more. That Trump sent in a birthday
Speaker 1: letter to Jeffrey Epstein in a leather bound birthday celebration
Speaker 1: book for his fiftieth birthday. Fiftieth birthday that Robes, they say,
Speaker 1: Glaine Maxwell put together, so that big story comes up.
Speaker 1: Trump sues the Wall Street Journal for this, So this
Speaker 1: became a bigger thing and gave us something else to
Speaker 1: talk about with Glaine Maxwell.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then on top of that, Pam Bondy, it appears,
Speaker 2: let Trump know that his name was in the files,
Speaker 2: not that he was incriminated in any way in participating
Speaker 2: in any illegal act, want to make that very very clear,
Speaker 2: but that his name does appear in the Jeffrey Epstein file.
Speaker 2: So you put all that together, and folks are and
Speaker 2: his own base was turning against him and saying, this
Speaker 2: is transparency is needed right now. We need more files,
Speaker 2: we need more information. And it looked as though to
Speaker 2: a lot of folks that Trump was covering it up
Speaker 2: because he didn't want his name to get out.
Speaker 1: So you have that issue. And then just this week
Speaker 1: she officially appealed her conviction to the Supreme Court. That
Speaker 1: put her name in the headlines as well. So all
Speaker 1: of these things started to collect collect, collect, where everybody
Speaker 1: is talking about Glene Maxwell. She did her interview with
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. The Deputy Attorney General Todd Blant,
Speaker 1: spent two days with her last Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 2: Was it nine hours nine hours and now one hundred names,
Speaker 2: questions and answers, and of course We didn't hear anything
Speaker 2: directly from the Department of Justice, nothing from Blanche himself.
Speaker 2: He did say he would talk about what was said
Speaker 2: what he learned at a later date, but we immediately
Speaker 2: pretty much heard from Gallaine Maxwell's attorney, who yes, said
Speaker 2: that she gave or at least answered questions about one
Speaker 2: hundred names and gave details and she didn't hold anything back.
Speaker 1: Said claim she answered every single question, never said nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about this person or that person.
Speaker 1: Answered every question. Limited immunity they say they gave her.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly how much she was covered on in that,
Speaker 1: but she got limited immunity at least in talking to
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice last week. So what's the next move?
Speaker 1: And remind I don't know if you knew a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff. I didn't really know her background. I
Speaker 1: didn't know who Gallaine Maxwell was. She's sixty three years
Speaker 1: old now, but I didn't realize she grew up privileged,
Speaker 1: like really, yes, privileged with a billionaire dad in the UK,
Speaker 1: and people keep wanting to talk about she grew up
Speaker 1: in a fifty one room mansion in the UK. I'm like, hell,
Speaker 1: she grew up very privileged and went to Oxford. She
Speaker 1: was at the height of society over there in the
Speaker 1: u K.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was somebody who was connected, and so was
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. So the two of them were a powerful
Speaker 2: and they were a couple for a little while. They
Speaker 2: dated and then dated briefly and then became friends and
Speaker 2: then business partners, so to speak. And wherever Jeffrey Epstein was,
Speaker 2: you would find Glaine Maxwell, because yes, she was highly connected.
Speaker 2: And you hear about all the reports and the ties
Speaker 2: to the royal family, it all makes sense she had
Speaker 2: those ties. As you pointed out, her dad was a billionaire.
Speaker 3: He did die a mysterious death.
Speaker 1: They still they claim, well, he fell off of yacht
Speaker 1: and they don't know if it was a suicide or
Speaker 1: an accident. But she ended up staying in the US,
Speaker 1: in part because the family name had essentially been run
Speaker 1: through the mud over there because of her dad. He
Speaker 1: turns out he defrauded a pension fund of eight hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars. His wealth was essentially just all smoke and
Speaker 1: mirrors after his death, they found that out. So she
Speaker 1: had come over here kind of. I didn't realize her
Speaker 1: dad owned the Daily News at one point, the New
Speaker 1: York Daily News, like he was a big time dude
Speaker 1: in publishing. But she comes here kind of as an
Speaker 1: emissary to his company. They said, yeah, stick around over it.
Speaker 1: And what does she do? She plays the game she
Speaker 1: knows how to play, and she finds Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 1: she starts introducing him to people she knows in these circles,
Speaker 1: and it just goes and go. It's just amazing to
Speaker 1: hear how she left that life there and built a
Speaker 1: whole new life of wealth and society and running in
Speaker 1: those circles here, and her running buddy was Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wealth and society and crime. The apple didn't fall
Speaker 2: far from the tree crime and power. And that is
Speaker 2: certainly what she exerted and was essential to the crimes
Speaker 2: that Epstein committed. He couldn't have committed them without her.
Speaker 1: That's their prosecutor saying heiod could not.
Speaker 2: Happen, period. And that is from everything that the victims
Speaker 2: have testified to and said she was as much a
Speaker 2: factor in what happened to them as Jeffrey Epstein himself. Was.
Speaker 1: How much are we going to eventually hear from her?
Speaker 1: We don't know. She has been subpoena by a House
Speaker 1: Oversight committee, and she initially rose right through. Attorney says
Speaker 1: she's going to take the fifth. You can call her
Speaker 1: all day long. She'll show up for a subpoena, but
Speaker 1: she's going to plete the fifth. But then she gave
Speaker 1: it a thought. I don't know if it was the
Speaker 1: very next day, but it was soon after. They say, well,
Speaker 1: she'll talk, and she has conditions.
Speaker 2: There's no question that Glenn Maxwell wants to get out
Speaker 2: of prison sooner rather than later. And she knows she's
Speaker 2: holding a for lack of a better term, Trump card.
Speaker 2: She knows that she is pretty much the only one
Speaker 2: with verifiable information. She knows what happened, and she knows
Speaker 2: who all was involved. And her lawyer was very quick
Speaker 2: to say, hey, if she gets clemency, basically, if President
Speaker 2: Trump wants to pardon her, she'll tell you everything. She
Speaker 2: won't hold anything back, and she will clear up misconception
Speaker 2: and miscommunications that have been disseminated to the public. You
Speaker 2: hear that, and every person who has a conspiracy theory
Speaker 2: in their mind, or who knows or who believes that
Speaker 2: not all the information has been given out, and certainly
Speaker 2: there are people who would likely be perhaps implicated, are
Speaker 2: right now free, But how concerned are they right now?
Speaker 2: If Glen Maxwell decides to sing, and she claims she's
Speaker 2: only going to do it if basically she can get
Speaker 2: some sort of a deal. Either she gets immunity so
Speaker 2: that it doesn't affect her appeal to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 2: or she gets some sort of ataboy, whether it's a
Speaker 2: reduced sentence, whether it's a commuted sentence, whether it's just
Speaker 2: less time behind bars, or maybe in a different setting.
Speaker 2: She wants something. She knows she has some power and
Speaker 2: she wants something in return.
Speaker 1: That's her only card to play. So you're damn right
Speaker 1: she's going to hold on to it. But she says
Speaker 1: she's willing to testify in public.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine that?
Speaker 2: Oh? And look, you know her brother has come out
Speaker 2: in defense of her and has said that she's escape
Speaker 2: goat as well. He feels like she's been unfairly targeted
Speaker 2: and punished for the crimes of someone else. And he's
Speaker 2: also said very publicly that he is concerned about her safety. Look,
Speaker 2: a lot of folks point to the fact that you
Speaker 2: have Jeffrey Epstein who died by suicide according to the
Speaker 2: Department of Justice, and plenty of other folks, But there are,
Speaker 2: like you pointed out, a.
Speaker 3: Lot of folks will never believe that happen.
Speaker 2: Then you have Virginia Roberts Jeffrey, who also just recently,
Speaker 2: sadly and.
Speaker 3: Tragically died by suicide as well.
Speaker 2: And so there's just a lot of concerned about folks
Speaker 2: safety involved in this story. A lot of victims are
Speaker 2: afraid to speak out. I know there are a lot
Speaker 2: of these lawyers who represented these victims who are concerned
Speaker 2: about speaking out. There is real fear about safety, and
Speaker 2: that's scary in and of itself.
Speaker 1: Because there are just there. Just we've reeled off two
Speaker 1: people connected to this story who new information, who are
Speaker 1: victims of all of this died by suicide. Okay, people
Speaker 1: do die by suicide. It happens in a case like this.
Speaker 1: People that closely involved in this very very any working
Speaker 1: of this whole scandal end up dead. Yet other people
Speaker 1: are going to be nervous about it. I'm not making
Speaker 1: a suggestion that anything happened to them, but people will
Speaker 1: raise their eyebrows when something like this happened. You mentioned
Speaker 1: Virginia Jewfrey, Yeah, the talk now about Glainne Maxwell possibly
Speaker 1: getting a pardon. You want to hear what Virginia Gewphray's
Speaker 1: family thinks about that idea.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ Presents,
Speaker 2: and we are talking about the woman everyone's talking about,
Speaker 2: Glaine Maxwell and her bid at least to have some
Speaker 2: sort of She wants to either half her sentence commuted,
Speaker 2: She would like to have her sentence reduced. She would
Speaker 2: like to be pardoned in exchange for the information she
Speaker 2: has on Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: And she claims she can.
Speaker 2: Put all these conspiracy theorists to rest. She claims she
Speaker 2: can make sure that any misinformation or miscommunication is rectified
Speaker 2: because she knows information that truly no one else would
Speaker 2: or could.
Speaker 1: What do we make of that? The public? I think
Speaker 1: many obviously there's an increased interest. Can we trust her?
Speaker 1: Can you trust what she says? I don't know a
Speaker 1: lot of people say, hey, this is a criminal and
Speaker 1: a liar. What's the point. Why are you going to
Speaker 1: make a deal. The House Oversight Committee, they already said no,
Speaker 1: we're not going to give her immunity. No, absolutely not
Speaker 1: going to do so. They're going to have a change
Speaker 1: of heart. I don't know, but to that point she
Speaker 1: gets up there, raises her hand, I swear to tell
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: Is she going to She's already perjured herself several times.
Speaker 2: That's what prosecutors will tell you. However, it's undeniable that
Speaker 2: she does have the information. Whether she tells the truth
Speaker 2: or not, who knows, but it is undeniable she knows.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine there being an ounce of them from
Speaker 1: an ounce of information that Jeffrey Epstein had that she
Speaker 1: doesn't currently have.
Speaker 3: Agreed, she arranged it all agreed, like she did it
Speaker 3: all agreed.
Speaker 2: And so it's interesting because Trump, you know, has been
Speaker 2: trying to deflect, and a lot of folks will say
Speaker 2: all these things you've been seeing on social media are
Speaker 2: all on attempt to distract and deflect. But he did
Speaker 2: make a statement about Virginia Jeffrey, and he mentioned this
Speaker 2: because he was trying to explain why his relationship with
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein ended. And he's given different accounts, but this
Speaker 2: latest one he did say was that Jeffrey Epstein was
Speaker 2: going into his spa mar A Lago, going into his
Speaker 2: resort and plucking young women and stealing them from him,
Speaker 2: and he mentioned Virginia specifically, and it's that is very true.
Speaker 2: Virginia absolutely talked about being a worker at the spa
Speaker 2: and that that has when Glen Maxwell came up to
Speaker 2: her and propositioned her to give some massages, and it
Speaker 2: just evolved. She was sixteen years old, TJ sixteen years old,
Speaker 2: and she talked about this painfully, that she really did
Speaker 2: go into it. She needed money, she had come from
Speaker 2: a broken home. They were offering her, I think three
Speaker 2: hundred bucks to give some guy a massage.
Speaker 3: But it escalated from there and then she talked.
Speaker 2: I mean, she really really really spoke out about Galaine
Speaker 2: and so it's no surprise then when you hear Trump
Speaker 2: mentioned Virginia's name. Virginia's family then spoke out and they
Speaker 2: released this statement and it is powerful and we'd love
Speaker 2: to read it for you in its entirety.
Speaker 1: Well in terms of how he mentioned Virginia on the
Speaker 1: he was on Air Force One. He was asked about it,
Speaker 1: and the families respond to that when they say it
Speaker 1: was shocking to hear President Trump invoke our sister and
Speaker 1: say that he was aware that Virginia had been stolen
Speaker 1: from our alago. It makes us ask if he was
Speaker 1: aware of Jeffrey Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell's criminal actions, especially
Speaker 1: given his statement two years later that his good friend
Speaker 1: Jeffrey likes women on the younger side, No doubt about it.
Speaker 1: We in the public are asking for answers. Survivors deserve this.
Speaker 1: It was an odd choice. I guess you could try
Speaker 1: to give him the benefit of the doubt. But to
Speaker 1: say he stole he stole this girl as if she
Speaker 1: were property, it just sounds.
Speaker 2: It not only sounds bad on that part, but also
Speaker 2: the fact that it sounds as if he knew what
Speaker 2: Epstein was.
Speaker 1: Doing, coaching them for what purpose exactly.
Speaker 3: And doing well with it resort, so that's also appalling.
Speaker 2: But the family equivocally says that they do not want
Speaker 2: to pardon for Ghlaine Maxwell. They say the government and
Speaker 2: the president should never consider giving Gallaine Maxwell any leniency.
Speaker 2: Glaine Maxwell is a monster who deserves to rot in
Speaker 2: prison for the rest of her life for the extraordinary
Speaker 2: violence and abuse she put not just our sister Virginia through,
Speaker 2: but many other survivors who may number in the thousands.
Speaker 2: And I think that is a powerful and understandable statement. Also,
Speaker 2: just after her death. Her family released something she wrote
Speaker 2: just before her death by suicide, and this just speaks
Speaker 2: to where Virginia's mind's mind was.
Speaker 3: Mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers.
Speaker 2: Need to show the battle lines are drawn and stand
Speaker 2: together to fight for the future of victims. Is protesting
Speaker 2: the answer? I don't know, but we've got to start somewhere.
Speaker 2: What happened to her and what she went through never
Speaker 2: left her. She lived with it every single day and
Speaker 2: it's so tragic that her life ended so soon.
Speaker 1: And she is not quite yet resting in peace. Because
Speaker 1: this story continues, folks, we will continue to stay on
Speaker 1: top of it. Watch the updates for the updates here
Speaker 1: on Amy and TJ Presents. It appears there will be
Speaker 1: updates damn near every day, but we will update you
Speaker 1: as often as we can specifically in this feed. Remember
Speaker 1: you can keep up with us on the morning run
Speaker 1: for the daily headlines on our regular Amy and TJ podcasts.
Speaker 1: But this story Robes is not going away, and some
Speaker 1: degree might just be getting started at least this next phase.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think everyone wants transparency, everyone wants information. Knowledge
Speaker 2: is power, and we certainly hope we get it, but
Speaker 2: not at the expense of the victims who certainly want
Speaker 2: Colne Maxwell to pay the price for her criminal actions.
Speaker 2: And with that we want to thank you for listening
Speaker 2: to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.
Speaker 3: Holmes. Please have a wonderful day, everybody,