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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It's July thirty first, and she

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Speaker 1: just might be the most talked about and the most

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Speaker 1: powerful prisoner in the United States of America. Glaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to know what she knows, and she ain't

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Speaker 1: talking officially just yet. Welcome everybody to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents and Robes. This is miss popularity

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Speaker 2: Well, depending on how you want to describe her, Yes,

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Speaker 2: she's popular in the fact that she is the woman

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Speaker 2: that has plagued so many people for so long, from

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Speaker 2: the victims to the alleged men it's supposed to implicate,

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Speaker 2: just to this entire enterprise of sex trafficking that was

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Speaker 2: clearly going on for years and years and years at

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Speaker 2: the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and his right hand Elaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 2: So she's wildly unpopular and popular all at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the Epstein died in his prison cell, died by

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Speaker 1: suicide in twenty nineteen. He was never held accountable for

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Speaker 1: his crimes. He died beforehand, those crimes prosecutors say were

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Speaker 1: not possible without Glaine Maxwell. She was convicted of being

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Speaker 1: specifically a co conspirator. She is in jail for the

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Speaker 1: crimes that she participated in, which were the same crimes

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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein participated in. So this is just not

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Speaker 1: some woman who has been scapegoated. Prosecutors would tell you

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Speaker 1: this is a woman who was fully involved and active

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Speaker 1: and recruiting and grooming and helping to sexually abuse young girls.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and if you talk to any of their victims,

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Speaker 2: And I did speak to Virginia Roberts, who now goes

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Speaker 2: by Virginia Roberts Jiuffrey trying to remember how to say

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Speaker 2: her last name correctly, but that was the first time

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Speaker 2: I ever even heard the name Glaine Maxwell. And she

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Speaker 2: was very very quick to point out that Glaine was

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Speaker 2: just as bad as Jeffrey Epstein because she was the

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Speaker 2: one who went out and found these young women. She

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Speaker 3: Told them, Hey, just want to have you do a.

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Speaker 2: Massage for somebody, and then escalated and escalated and escalated,

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Speaker 2: but made them feel safe because it was a woman

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Speaker 1: She was the recruiter. This is classic grooming, giving them gifts,

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Speaker 1: making them feel good, and it was classic classic grooming.

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Speaker 1: Now she's appealing her and she can appeal it all

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Speaker 1: day long. But she right now is a convicted conspirator.

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Speaker 1: She is convicted of sex trafficking. She is convicted of

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Speaker 1: these things. She's not alleged to have done this stuff.

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Speaker 1: She has been convicted. Now her name, like you just

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Speaker 1: sayd Robes, you heard her name for the first time

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Speaker 1: during an interview. A lot of people are hearing the

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Speaker 1: reason we are where we are, and Robes, we have

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Speaker 1: to go back last month. What started this whole mess?

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Speaker 1: Really is the DOJ coming out and telling the world

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Speaker 1: no more Epstein files will be released. This matter is

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Speaker 1: essentially closed. There is no Epstein list. And yes, he

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Speaker 1: And hell no. There was a revolt almost among some

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Speaker 2: The Magabase the Magabase was outraged because this has been

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Speaker 2: even campaigned on it, saying, I am going to shed

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Speaker 2: And so yes, this is the most recent of those conspiracies.

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Speaker 2: But certainly everyone was waiting for that smoking gun or

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe they didn't think they needed her because they

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Speaker 1: So I was just saying how we got here and

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Speaker 1: then the story about the birthday book came out ramped

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Speaker 1: book for his fiftieth birthday. Fiftieth birthday that Robes, they say,

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Speaker 1: Trump sues the Wall Street Journal for this, So this

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Speaker 2: Yes, and then on top of that, Pam Bondy, it appears,

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Speaker 2: not that he was incriminated in any way in participating

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Speaker 2: So you put all that together, and folks are and

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Speaker 1: So you have that issue. And then just this week

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Speaker 2: Was it nine hours nine hours and now one hundred names,

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Speaker 2: pretty much heard from Gallaine Maxwell's attorney, who yes, said

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Speaker 1: Said claim she answered every single question, never said nope,

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Speaker 1: Answered every question. Limited immunity they say they gave her.

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Speaker 1: And remind I don't know if you knew a lot

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Speaker 1: didn't know who Gallaine Maxwell was. She's sixty three years

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Speaker 1: old now, but I didn't realize she grew up privileged,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was somebody who was connected, and so was

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Speaker 3: He did die a mysterious death.

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Speaker 1: They still they claim, well, he fell off of yacht

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Speaker 1: And what does she do? She plays the game she

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wealth and society and crime. The apple didn't fall

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Speaker 2: certainly what she exerted and was essential to the crimes

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Speaker 2: Happen, period. And that is from everything that the victims

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Speaker 1: How much are we going to eventually hear from her?

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Speaker 1: We don't know. She has been subpoena by a House

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Speaker 1: Oversight committee, and she initially rose right through. Attorney says

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Speaker 1: she's going to plete the fifth. But then she gave

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Speaker 2: There's no question that Glenn Maxwell wants to get out

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Speaker 2: She knows that she is pretty much the only one

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Speaker 2: and miscommunications that have been disseminated to the public. You

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Speaker 2: there are people who would likely be perhaps implicated, are

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Speaker 2: If Glen Maxwell decides to sing, and she claims she's

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Speaker 1: But this story Robes is not going away, and some

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think everyone wants transparency, everyone wants information. Knowledge

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Speaker 3: Holmes. Please have a wonderful day, everybody,