WEBVTT - More Real Than Real 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:07.240 Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:15.480 Forward Thinking. Hey there, everyone, and welcome to Forward Thinking, 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.360 the podcast that the looks of the future and says 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:19.960 I can see clearly now the rain is gone. I'm 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.480 Jonathan Strickland and I'm Joe McCormick. And that was a lie. 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.239 It's actually raining right now. But hey, what what do 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.560 we care, right? I mean, we're just talking about the 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:33.080 future here. Someday it's not going to be raining. Hypothetically. Yeah, uh, 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.600 you know, I was actually thinking while looking out in 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.320 the rain. I was thinking to myself, I want to 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.000 pick up something to eat on the way home, but 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.640 I don't want to go too far. And actually, uh, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.479 somehow I've forgotten everything that happens to be near us. 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:52.159 I don't remember a single restaurant that's within walking distance. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.600 If only I had some way of being able to 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.920 look at the world around me and get information layered 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.400 on top of what I could see, so that I 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.920 could actually make a decision to go someplace nearby and 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.440 pick things up, that would be an awesome, awesome reality. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.759 So like you look down the street and all these 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.640 buildings pop up with a little digital signs of over 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.480 them and say eat here, this is good, or the 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.040 buildings are there, but the digital signs pop up. Yeah yeah, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.560 lets me know, like, hey, that building happens to have 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.119 a bakery in it, and that building over there happens 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.400 to have a another bakery in it. We got a 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.520 lot of bakeries near our office. But yeah, so we're talking, 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.679 of course, about augmented reality. I then realized that this 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.080 is actually a thing, and it's been around for a while, 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.040 and but the neat thing about augmented reality is really 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.559 the promise that it has the potential that it has 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:48.320 to truly make our world a really interesting place beyond 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.000 what it already is. But before we get into all 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:52.320 of that, we've got a lot more stuff we've got 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.600 to cover first. Yeah, so what is augmented reality. It's 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.200 not like a muscle building supplement you take. No, no, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.280 it's not. It's not some sort of you're not gonna 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:08.800 go find that over at the vitamin shoppy shoppy yeah, ohpees, yeah, No, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.600 augmented reality. Okay, So think about it like this. This 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:17.359 is a cool way to imagine the kinds of environments 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.839 we can inhabit with our brains. So there is reality, right, 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.639 So that's that's that's you and me and the objects 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.440 in front of us, as long as we're not secretly 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.360 living in the matrix, the world as we perceive it 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.000 to be. Keeping in mind, of course, that our experience 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.160 of the universe is limited somewhat by the ability of 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.679 our senses to pick up on things and intern with them, 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.360 and it's all relatively individual in that, um, you know, 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.440 two people looking at the same thing are not really 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.280 looking at the same thing there, you know. But we're 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.960 not going to get too far by that. But I 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.760 think we can, as the three of us are sitting 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.680 here in front of microphones that I think we can 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.200 all agree with this, and that there's the fourth person 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:03.920 who is uh in think in sinister silence, existentially speaking, 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.040 I'm in Tahiti right now. So okay, well I hear 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.000 it's a magical place. Okay. Well, you know, the funny 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.880 thing is, even if we are living in the matrix, 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.560 we've still basically we'd have to call this reality because 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.760 it's our base level of experience exactly, even if we're 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.240 in a computer simulation. To us, this is reality, okay. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.480 And then on the other hand, on the other end 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:28.280 of say this scale you've got, you've got virtual reality. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.160 So that's you put on a helmet and suddenly you're 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.560 moving around in a completely simulated environment that's made up 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.480 out of computer data and has no bearing on the 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.920 actual world. It's just supplied for your brain, you'lid or etcetera. Yeah, 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.160 that kind of you've got, you are able to still 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.200 obey usually some sort of semblance of the laws of physics, 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.280 because that makes it easier for you to adjust to 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.840 a virtual reality. So in other words, when you move forward, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.200 you go forward. When you move backward, you go backward. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.560 I mean you can always well that's up to the 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.440 hardware in the software. Yeah, but in order to in 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.400 order for you to feel in a like you're in 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.680 a really immersive environment, generally speaking, it has to obey 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.880 certain rules consistently. Otherwise it just ends up being this 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.359 kind of mess. Yeah, okay, But say you've got a 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.680 spectrum with reality at one end and virtual reality on 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.360 the other. What's in the middle. Well, you've got two 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.280 different options, right, You've got actually you might say that 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:30.080 you have more than two should spectrum. We should call 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.360 this a field, and it's a field that in the 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:37.599 field is known as mixed reality, right, So closer to 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.360 virtual reality, for example, you have you might have mixed virtuality, 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.080 augmented virtuality. Yeah, so that way you would have like 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:49.240 a virtual environment where you would also incorporate something or 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.839 some things that were real objects or people. So here's 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.080 an example. Let's say that all of us end up 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.520 making World of Warcraft characters and we all log on. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.480 We've also modified World of Warcraft so that instead of 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.279 the head of the cartoonish character, it's actually showing a 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.640 live feed of a webcam that's facing us. So each 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.760 of our characters has our respective heads on that character 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.160 and in real time. So when you see my character 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.560 walking around, it's a video image of my head on 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.599 top of this character's body, and the video images in 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.960 real time it's what I'm actually doing. So if I'm 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.240 looking off to the side because my dog is making noise, 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.599 my character is actually looking off to the side. That 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:35.080 would be this mixed reality here, this actual augmented virtuality, 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.400 and that we have brought some of reality into a 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.320 virtual environment. The virtual environment is dominant, but there's something 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.400 from the physical world in right, Joe, you and I 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.680 were talking about this last week with them or or 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.760 in a recent podcast at any great one about virtual reality, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:55.440 right right, some some futuristic virtual reality reality game starting 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.280 to incorporate you know, like maybe like an actual ball 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.360 that you could incorporate into you virtual or even say 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.080 when we talked about Project hollow Deck, you might in 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.320 some ways. And what that was was it was sort 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:12.240 of a free play space that would use cameras and 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.480 virtual reality headsets and controllers to put your real body 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.440 um and track your real movements and put you sort 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.000 of in a virtual environment as you see it through 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.560 your headset, but you're really moving around and you know, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.920 say ten foot by ten foot kind of space, right, 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.520 you could you could say that's virtual reality, but you 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.680 might more accurately say that's augmented virtuality because it's a 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.960 mostly virtual environment, but it's sort of putting your real 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.640 physical movements in there that that's the data. So you 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.960 could actually even have physical objects within that that room 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.159 that you are in that are represented within the virtual 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.840 world as some sort of virtual since some kind of 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.640 skin over at sure, um. But at the towards the 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.719 other end of the spectrum, you have something that's closer 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.599 to real reality, and that's augmented reality. And this is 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.799 that idea of overlaying reality with some sort of either 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.359 graphics or digital interface something where we're letting the digital 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:13.000 world marry with the physical world some kind of information. Yeah, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.160 so how does this work, um in practice? Well, imagine, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.960 just for one example, you hold up your smartphone and 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.840 you aim it around the world, and the things you 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.600 aim it at show up on the screen. But they 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.840 don't just show up on the screen as a photograph 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.320 of you. They show up also annotated with data. And 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.520 that data comes from the software on your phone, and uh, 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.840 or at least it that that it may even come 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:43.080 from some other source, but it's fed through via signals 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.240 and your phone is interpreting that. Yeah, it actually means 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.320 that it could be an extremely powerful tool. And we've 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:52.200 already seen lots of different applications of augmented reality. I 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.040 thought i'd go a little bit into kind of the 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.760 uh the well first before we get into the history 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.760 of it. I think it might be fun to actually 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.320 talk about the way science fiction has depicted augmented reality. 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.440 The version I always think of, UM, I think of 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.040 Minority Report. That's a big one where you've got and 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.320 they do everything right, don't they. That's like the best 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.840 movie for realistic sci fi. Yeah. I personally love how 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:21.280 how they are incredibly consistent with applying the rules of 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.360 logic of their universe despite lots of plot holes. It 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.480 co if only it could have been a better movie. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.840 If only, if only they actually could have been consistent 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.880 with their rules. Oh yeah, I'm not saying the pre 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.800 crime is necessarily feasible, but all of the sort of 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:41.280 consumer technology in the movie is pretty smart and and 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.840 a lot of the stuffy they created was you know, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.560 they were looking at things that were coming out of 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.440 M I T at the time and saying, well, let's 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.520 extend this and imagine what this would look like in 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.240 twenty more years. So let's go from the prototype version 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.640 of this technology and say what would it be like 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.640 as a mature technology. And that's kind of where they 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.640 got their start. Okay, so what is there augmented reality? Look, 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.679 it's it's sort of the same kind of stuff we're 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.199 talking about here where you get that overlay. In this case, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.679 it's also tied to your identity. So when you are 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.640 walking around the world, it can the world itself can 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.400 react to you, kind of like our Internet of things discussion, 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.160 but in a way where it's giving you information about 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.520 your environment that's tailored not just to the environment but 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:27.080 to your personal preferences and needs. Now there are other examples. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.640 I just started watching a show that's been on the 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.440 air for a while, Continuum, and in that you have 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.800 a character who is from the future who gets sent 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.040 back to present day what is our present day, and 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.440 she has these essentially cameras for eyes, and she's able 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.400 to have augmented reality features where she can look at 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.959 someone and in her time, she can look at someone 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.400 and use facial recognition software to map that person to 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.160 a specific identity and determine whether or not that person 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.400 is wanted for a crime, because she plays a police officer. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.400 So that's another example of sci fi. UM. One would 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.400 be in the term dominator movies. That's just what I 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.600 was thinking of. Well, don't let me steal your thunder 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.360 Oh no, no, no, that's why we can share the 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.840 Terminator thunder um. The moment I thought of was when 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.760 those moments when you see the Terminator's vision he walks 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.559 into the bar and he's sizing up the different bikers 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.920 and he finally sees the one biker where he identifies 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.960 the different body parts for a matching size so he 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.959 can steal his clothes. Right, Um, and that augmented reality 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.439 could really help you quickly identify whose clothes you need 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.840 to steal to match your size appropriate. Right. It's sadly enough, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.560 I have not seen any apps that have that specific application, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.160 but I'm sure. But I wanted to talk a bit 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:41.880 a little, you know now that we've kind of got 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.079 like the here's the science fiction thing, and that's really 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.840 even the science fiction approach is just scratching the surface 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.440 of what augmented reality could possibly do. Right, But where 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.400 did this come from? Well, you know, you have to 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.480 look at a couple of different things before you get 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.040 to where we are with augmented reality. Some some developments 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:01.040 that were important that kind of set the found nation. So, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.600 for example, one of the important developments was just the 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.520 development of three D films and three D technology. This 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.240 ability to have some sort of display that could give 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.800 you the illusion of depth, that not only that the 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.360 image that is projected on a flat surface have depth, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.880 but it could also come toward you. Because most of 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.719 the implementations of I'm in a reality we have are 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.760 either flat text that's displayed on a screen like a 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.360 smartphone or a tablet, or they are something that's displayed 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.199 on a screen that has some sort of three D 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.880 capability like the Nintendo three DS, and I'll talk about 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.480 that in a little bit. Or it's maybe for some 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.000 sort of augmented reality glasses, and that owes a lot 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.280 to those early three D movies. On top of that, 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.120 you've got something that happened back in nineteen fifty seven 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.120 when Morton Hellick said, you know, there's gotta be a 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.680 way to make a more immersive experience to watching a 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.440 film besides just you know, sitting there passively. What if 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.560 I created something called the sensor rama. Yeah, yeah, we 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.560 were talking about that and that with all the air 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.520 and the vibration, the So I think we've visited the 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.839 sense of rama many times, and we should because it's 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.800 really the root of all modern technology that weirdly enough, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.079 automated cars straight from the censor rama. Nineteen sixty six 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.800 was when Professor Ivan Sutherland, I'm sure you spoke of him. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.319 He was the one who created a head mold displays, right, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.040 So then you get up to uh, from that early work, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.400 that's what kind of laid the technical groundwork for augmented reality, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.160 but real augmented reality is as we understand it today 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.520 kind of dates back to the early nineteen nineties. That's 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.800 when a guy named Tom Coddle had come up with 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.520 a design for Boeing. He was actually reading about that. Yeah, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.679 it was for for the engineers to help them put 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.000 together wiring. Well, it was really meant for manufacturers and 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.480 machinists to be able to build the stuff that Bowing needed, 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.240 but to be able to see where cables were going 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.920 to go. So the cables had not been laid in 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.199 yet there this is just the manufacturing phase where they're 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.800 actually making the metal components for a Boeing aircraft, for example. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.400 But by putting on these headsets, they could take a 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.760 look at the uh, the stuff that was in process 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.400 of being manufactured, and see where the cables were going 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.600 to go, to make sure that they were allowing enough 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.959 clearance and creating the right type of framework to support 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.760 the cables so that the finished product would actually work 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.719 the way it was supposed to. And it meant that 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.240 they didn't have to constantly consult a manual or call 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.920 up one of the engineers who had designed the thing 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.160 and say, all right, you know, I'm trying to build 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.480 this thing due to your specifications, but I can't see 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.920 where it's gonna go because it's not there yet. So 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.600 this was kind of a way of getting around that, 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.920 and he has been said to essentially have coined the 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:52.280 term augmented reality. Uh In lb Rosenberg worked on a 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.200 user directed system for the United States Air Force called 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.720 Virtual Fixtures that was also an early example of augmented reality, 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:04.600 and a trio named Blair McIntyre. Stephen Finer, and Dorrie 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.840 Seligman wrote a paper about a head meld display and 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:10.920 a program that you could use when you were working 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.240 with a particular type of printer. They called it Karma, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:19.360 which was knowledge based augmented reality for maintenance assistance. The 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.280 idea being that, all right, you know, these printers are 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.080 starting to get a little complicated, and sometimes your average 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.000 office worker doesn't know how to load the paper incorrectly 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.000 or a clear paper jam, And by using this sort 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.160 of head meld display and looking at the printer itself, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.920 they could be guided to using this without having to 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.040 consult a manual, which does not necessarily lend itself to 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.920 a an easy translation of actual actionable things you can do, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.760 you know. Yeah, most of the manuals that I've seen 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:52.120 are really cryptic. Yeah, well, they have an augmented reality 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.760 guide on how to smash your printer to pieces. No, 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.400 there was no office space app at that point, but 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.920 I think you know, probably would at one point say 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.040 have you tried turning it off and on again? But really, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.520 if they could overlay a video of the computer just 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:11.040 just exploding spontaneously, that would I would buy. Sorry, I 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.760 think we see how the technophobes in the room feel 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.760 about this now that augmented reality really got a big boost, 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.000 Like in these early nineties, it was pretty much the 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:25.320 domain of research facilities some universities. No one outside of 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.720 those worlds really had access to any of this. I 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.360 really cared about it because this was the same time 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.440 when the initial virtual reality revolution was taking place and 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.080 then kind of collapsed in on itself. Talked about that. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.600 So this this uh also affected augmented reality because it's 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.720 a related field. Well. In the late nineties nineties, uh 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:50.840 Hirokazu Kato produced an a R toolkit called a R Toolkit, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:56.000 which that included a tracking system and included source code 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.400 that people could use and and camera calibration code that 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.480 would allow people to use headsets and various operating systems 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.760 to create an augmented reality system that had real time 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.200 tracking and incorporated in it, which really is what made 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.560 it truly useful and not to be too obvious, but 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.680 just if y when we say a are that stands 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:20.520 for reality. So that's kind of the lowdown on the 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:25.000 basic UM way that or you know, how augmented reality 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.040 developed Since those late ninety nineties, a lot of different 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.080 applications came out, but again, the really early ones were 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.400 pretty much restricted to engineering schools, that kind of thing. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.280 It wasn't until the revolution of the smartphone really started 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.040 seeing them come out. Yeah, I was about to say 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:46.000 that that since um, since you know, head mounted displays 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.760 are still very expensive and very temperamental. Um, we don't 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.560 really have a good cheap product like that out yet. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.600 We're waiting on the Oculus Rift. But then then Oculus Rift, 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.640 you can't see through it. It's a monitor had a 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.400 camera U live live video feed, in which case you 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.240 could argue whether that was augmented reality or more virtual 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.520 reality because you're seeing an actual camera feed as opposed 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:15.240 to UH, an optical view, like like a lens that's clear. Um. Sure, sure, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.320 I guess something like Google Glass or um. I mean, 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.040 there's there's a couple other consumer products out there, and 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.080 most of these are very limited, like you were saying that, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.240 they don't really have a lot of augmented reality uh functionality. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.480 Yet the thing about them is that obviously their main 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.880 future application I think is augmented It would be hard 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.040 to argue against that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, but 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:38.919 you know, until we come up with that kind of thing. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.840 We've got smart watches and smartphones and uh, and you know, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.080 video applications like the like that game I have Judgment 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.040 that came out for the PS three back in two 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.960 thousand seven, UM, which was a sort of augmented reality 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.160 Magic the Gathering. It was made by Wizards of the Coast. 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:55.919 And so you had a gaming mat and you had 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.199 collectible cards and uh, and you play it on this 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.720 mat and you pointed the PlayStation I at it and 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.359 up on the video screen. You know, your little characters 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:06.919 would come out with the cards and move around and 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.480 do acky stuff. What this reminds me of and it 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.520 is kind of another example of augmented reality that comes 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.720 from science fiction is the Star Wars Hollow chess game 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.359 that's very much kind of augmented reality because the chess 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.440 pieces themselves moved around on a physical board, and there 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.480 was an actual board there, but the pieces were virtual representations. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.080 Now in that case, we're also talking about holograms. And 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:30.800 if you really want to hear us talking about holograms, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.680 just go back like forty episodes or something. So there's 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.200 still all kinds of questions about what we will eventually 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.960 be able to do in terms of holographic projection. But 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.959 one thing we do know we can certainly do is 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.280 mess with screens. You know, take a photo of the 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.920 world or a lens view of the world and add 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.520 overlay data on a screen that's flat in front of 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.639 your eyes. Yes, absolutely, And and also artists and and 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.760 museums have been really interested in this for for several 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.000 years now. Back in two five as an art installation 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.159 in Mexico City where um kids could put on these 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.200 kind of simple smocks or little pieces of headgear and 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:10.080 stand in front of a video assisted mirror and and 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.960 it would overlay images of elaborate costumes depending on which 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.679 little clothing markers they had put on. Stuff like that 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.560 and you know, and and also of course museums have 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.840 stuff like self guided audio tours that you can pick 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:24.680 up a little MP three player and take it around 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.600 with you. But a lot of them are experimenting with 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.840 different ways to to give people apps on their smartphones 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.119 or or eventually on something like Google Glass that they 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.600 can walk around and and find out more information about 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.280 all the cool stuff there see. That would be great. 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.040 I would love to be able to look at a 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.119 piece of art and not have to hunt down the 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.040 accompanying little um plaque that's next to it. If I could, 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.840 if I could stand back and admire the art, and 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.239 then also have the information come up and then go 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.879 away whenever I wanted it to to, you know, not 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.800 impede my view, that would be amazing. Well, we we 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.440 will talk more about the potential future applications of augmented 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.480 reality towards the end. But one thing that's even cooler 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.600 in that view is that data could be dynamic in 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:10.800 that sense, Like say you're looking at a painting in 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.879 a museum. Um it couldn't. It could just pop up 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.399 with information about the painting overlaid onto your screen, but 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.480 it could also do more. It could point out specific 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.920 parts of the painting and highlight them and say like, well, 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.040 here's where the artist used this type of shading or 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.399 this type of technique, or this is this is a 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.320 great example. People have questions about what this figure in 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.399 the back represents, and that's something that a plaque on 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.040 the site certainly couldn't do. I would love to have it. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.639 Well we'll go, I'll say what I would love I've 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.400 been a reality to do. At the end, let's talk 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.320 a little about something about the earlier apps as well. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.720 Like one that I always think about is Yelp. And 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.080 the reason I think of Yelp is they have that little, uh, 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.080 that little program where you can actually hold your smartphone 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.639 up and it looks takes information from the GPS, the 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.080 comp us, the camera, and then allows you to do 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:04.800 exactly what I was saying at the top of the show, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.720 where you want to try and find a specific type 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.680 of business. For me, it's always restaurants. It's the only 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:12.919 thing I ever use it for. But i might be 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.480 someplace that I'm not familiar with and I'll pull that 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:17.680 up and then I'll do like a full three degree 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.520 turn to see what restaurants happened to be nearby, and 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.520