Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups, histories writtled
Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn
Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt and done Ben,
Speaker 1: And right off the bat, by the way, it's stuff
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. You know that you
Speaker 1: clicked on the thing. You're listening to it. Some people
Speaker 1: have it on shuffle, you know what I mean? Well,
Speaker 1: guess what this is stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 1: And right off the bat, today we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about a thing that I got wrong, uh something that
Speaker 1: I don't know why I got it wrong, but I
Speaker 1: was just thinking, I think I got it wrong. Uh No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that you did. I think
Speaker 1: it was me because I just started rambling about it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're talking about A D and B C. And I said,
Speaker 1: I did the old thing that I guess I learned
Speaker 1: somehow in church. I don't know where I learned it,
Speaker 1: but the whole before Christ after death thing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's not at all what it is. Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we know this. We heard your emails and tweets
Speaker 1: and responses, and a lot of people were really courteous
Speaker 1: about this. Uh. I think we just misspoke because it's
Speaker 1: something that we we both knew, and when we're doing
Speaker 1: a casual conversation playing with live fire, Uh, some things
Speaker 1: can slip through. But Matt, go ahead and let us
Speaker 1: know what it what it stands for. Well, it means
Speaker 1: Anno domini, which is actually the year of our Lord
Speaker 1: a D. When you when you use a D. So
Speaker 1: my bad, you know, Matt, Honestly, I thought we would
Speaker 1: get a lot more listener mail from people who are
Speaker 1: angry at us because we were exploring the history of
Speaker 1: the Bible. It's even for having that conversation. But it
Speaker 1: didn't turn out that way, at least not yet. Maybe
Speaker 1: in a year after it's been floating around, we'll get
Speaker 1: some of that mail. Yeah, but thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for listening. And today we would like to start
Speaker 1: the podcast with a story. In nine seventy two, an
Speaker 1: employee at a French nuclear fuel processing plant notice something
Speaker 1: weird about the uranium or he was working on. All
Speaker 1: natural uranium contains three forms with different atomic masses. There's
Speaker 1: you two thirty eight, you two thirty four, and you
Speaker 1: two thirty five. Now, the last one is the most
Speaker 1: desirable because this is the one that you can use
Speaker 1: to sustain a nuclear reaction. And typically, you two thirty
Speaker 1: five makes up only about point seven two percent of
Speaker 1: the ore. But the sample of this guy is looking
Speaker 1: at it had point seven one seven. Now it's a
Speaker 1: small amount, a small difference. But this guy freaked out
Speaker 1: because there's only one way that that can happen, and
Speaker 1: that's through a nuclear reaction. So, uh, this poor guy,
Speaker 1: of course, he as you said, he freaks out. He
Speaker 1: lets the scientists know, you know, hey, where's this ore from?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Because I think they have nuclear power,
Speaker 1: uh somewhere, And the scientists trace this sample back to
Speaker 1: a place called the Oaklow uranium deposit in the highlands
Speaker 1: of Gabone or from part of the mind was way
Speaker 1: way shorter of uranium two thirty five than it should
Speaker 1: have been, As an article in Scientific American pointed out,
Speaker 1: there were about two missing and that is important because
Speaker 1: by way of measurement, that is enough to make about
Speaker 1: a dozen nuclear bombs. Yeah, so what the f is
Speaker 1: going on here? Ben? Yeah, that's what uh yeah, right right, Well,
Speaker 1: the answer comes from much earlier prediction, and they found
Speaker 1: as they were digging around in This happened in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, right, they find the weird uranium. In nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty three, these two guys, George weather Hill and the
Speaker 1: co author Mark Ingram, argued that some uranium deposits might
Speaker 1: have once been natural versions of nuclear reactors. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: So what they what they postulated is that somehow a
Speaker 1: stray neutron caused this You two thirty five to split,
Speaker 1: and then it gave off more neutrons and it caused
Speaker 1: this chain reaction. Yeah. That last part is from a
Speaker 1: scientists named Paul Kuroda at the University of Arkansas. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of conditions. He said, for this to occur,
Speaker 1: the deposit has to be at least longer than two
Speaker 1: thirds of a meter, which would be the length that
Speaker 1: the neutron would travel. The second thing you need is
Speaker 1: enough YOU two thirty five. Today, most of the concentrated
Speaker 1: deposits can't become reactors because the You two thirty five
Speaker 1: is just too low. The concentrations too low. And today
Speaker 1: it's less than one percent in a deposit, but two
Speaker 1: billion years ago it could have been around three percent, right.
Speaker 1: And next you'll need a neutron moderator of some sort,
Speaker 1: something that can slow the neutrons given off when a
Speaker 1: nucleus splits and make them more likely to hit and
Speaker 1: split other atoms. And the last thing is you have
Speaker 1: to have no substantial amount of bore on lithium or
Speaker 1: any other substances that would absorb the atoms and halt
Speaker 1: the reaction. So this sounds like a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: to have happened by chance, right, Yes, it turns out
Speaker 1: this all I actually did just happen as far as
Speaker 1: we can tell in gabone about two billion years ago,
Speaker 1: and not just once, but about sixteen times. So physicists
Speaker 1: around the world studied this evidence. They looked at these
Speaker 1: natural nuclear reactors, and they all came together to share
Speaker 1: their work on this quote Oaklow phenomenon at a special
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five conference in the capital of Kimbo. And
Speaker 1: the fossil reactor wasn't just known for uranium that I'd
Speaker 1: like to read quote from Scientific American When they were
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how this could happen. Some of
Speaker 1: the neutrons released during the fission of uranium two thirty
Speaker 1: five were captured by the more abundant uranium two thirty eight,
Speaker 1: which became uranium two thirty nine, and after admitting to electrons,
Speaker 1: turned into plutonium to thirty nine. More than two tons
Speaker 1: of this plutonium isotope were generated within the oakload deposit UH,
Speaker 1: and the quote goes on, although almost all of this material,
Speaker 1: which has a twenty four thousand year half life, has
Speaker 1: since disappeared. Primarily they think through natural decay. Some of
Speaker 1: the plutonium itself underwent fission as it tested by the
Speaker 1: presence of its characteristic fission products. The abundance of those
Speaker 1: lighter elements allowed scientists to deduce that fission reactions must
Speaker 1: have gone on for hundreds of thousands of years. So
Speaker 1: not only was this a natural nuclear reactor that just
Speaker 1: sort of happened, but it also just sort of happened
Speaker 1: for hundreds of thousands of years. From the amount of uranium,
Speaker 1: they think that it released about fifteen thousand megawatt years overall,
Speaker 1: So the average power output was a little disappointing, a
Speaker 1: little less than a hundreds, but still that's enough to
Speaker 1: run some toasters maybe, yeah, And two billion years ago,
Speaker 1: toast was like the main thing man if you didn't
Speaker 1: have toast, then, who are you get out of here
Speaker 1: before anybody? Before anybody finishes that email, we know that
Speaker 1: there weren't toasters, Yeah, or as far as we know, right,
Speaker 1: Let's get it safe. So they were able to do
Speaker 1: some forensic work on this by analyzing zenon h, a
Speaker 1: heavy inert gas, and this gas can stay imprisoned in
Speaker 1: minerals for billions of years, and because it's rare, scientists
Speaker 1: can use it to detect and trace these nuclear reactions,
Speaker 1: even those that occur in primitive meteorites before the Solar
Speaker 1: system happened. That's uh, hold on a second, calculating understanding. Nope, okay,
Speaker 1: so Ben, let's get to the meat at this seriously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do this happened? Why? Why didn't when when it
Speaker 1: became this more volatible version of uranium, why didn't it
Speaker 1: just explode or decayed further? Yeah? Yeah, since we're family,
Speaker 1: should I guess the best way to say it is,
Speaker 1: why didn't the sleeve hit the fan? Yeah? And then
Speaker 1: we get all the rest of the uranium up into
Speaker 1: the fan and then just got yeah, all the change
Speaker 1: fell out of its Yeah. Uh, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: And from what we're seeing, at least everything we found
Speaker 1: is that the oaklow reactors kind of regulated themselves in
Speaker 1: a really neat way. The most likely candidate for this
Speaker 1: regulation would be groundwater. So here's what they think happened.
Speaker 1: They think that the nuclear chain reaction was happening and
Speaker 1: there was water around to act. Is that neutron moderator
Speaker 1: to slow the neutron so that they can continue the
Speaker 1: reaction as the as the reactor or in the reaction
Speaker 1: area maybe is a better way to say. It reached
Speaker 1: the critical level or critical temperature, the water boiled away,
Speaker 1: and then the chain reaction would have ceased and cooled off, uh,
Speaker 1: to the point where water could come back, and then
Speaker 1: it starts again. Oh, that's crazy. So it was functioning
Speaker 1: as a nuclear reactor the way it the way we
Speaker 1: use them now, by dipping the rods into the water
Speaker 1: and then taking the rods out of the water and
Speaker 1: causing the reaction. This is like, it's crazy, whoa man?
Speaker 1: That's weird to think about that a natural process could
Speaker 1: do the same thing that we spend hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars to produce. Yeah, it just happened,
Speaker 1: and it but it did it over a long period
Speaker 1: of time, and still that's that's mind boggling. Okay, So
Speaker 1: when they're looking at the Oaklow reactor, they found that
Speaker 1: it switched on for about thirty minutes then off for
Speaker 1: at least two and a half hours. And they see
Speaker 1: this in almost to all the deposits. So not only
Speaker 1: is the groundwater going over it and accounting for the
Speaker 1: self regulation, it protected these reactors from destruction. And in
Speaker 1: this way it was really effective. Not only was it
Speaker 1: not allowing any kind of melt down or explosion during
Speaker 1: these kinds of years, but it was just regulating the
Speaker 1: thing to an extent where you have this beautiful chain
Speaker 1: reaction that they can now see. And here's another weird
Speaker 1: thing that just happened. It stored nuclear waste really well.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that humans still haven't really cracked
Speaker 1: the code on. There are some amazing ideas as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, about how to warn future civilizations, not
Speaker 1: necessarily humans, to stay away from nuclear waste, trying to
Speaker 1: come up with a universal sign that anyone from any
Speaker 1: time would be able to go okay, I'm not going
Speaker 1: near there. Yeah, it's crazy when you think about that.
Speaker 1: If the human race were to just die. Uh, something
Speaker 1: happens only only a few enclaves of people are a
Speaker 1: lot alive for a while, and then by a few
Speaker 1: under years they've dwindled and like the last person dies. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then buildings crumble, great stone monuments also crumble. The
Speaker 1: season and the forest take over the cities, and eventually
Speaker 1: the only thing that an alien civilization would see there
Speaker 1: was a sign we were there would be nuclear waste,
Speaker 1: which is totally like because it would be anomalous in
Speaker 1: the natural settings. They would they would find the Oaklow.
Speaker 1: It would it would be like stumbling upon that of
Speaker 1: their own, our version of the oaklow reactors. Just now
Speaker 1: they're in these weird deposits. Why is all this ranium
Speaker 1: and plutonium over here? Yeah, And that's that's a that's
Speaker 1: a weird thing. Because although we have not cracked the code,
Speaker 1: we being the human species, not you and I'm at um,
Speaker 1: we do know that this proves a tremendously efficient nuclear reactor,
Speaker 1: if not a tremendously powerful one. And that's where we
Speaker 1: go to the crazy stuff. Because we have been saying
Speaker 1: for the entirety of this podcast, and all of that
Speaker 1: just happened or didn't. Oh, don't, don't doom. So here's
Speaker 1: the deal. Uh. We talked about this in the vlog
Speaker 1: when we were covering this, and in the vlog we
Speaker 1: talked about how they buried the lead and when these
Speaker 1: scientific American articles and they said, um, well, what maybe
Speaker 1: we should just do the quote. Okay, here's the quote.
Speaker 1: The oaklow reactors may teach scientists about possible shifts in
Speaker 1: what was formerly thought to be a fundamental physical constant,
Speaker 1: one called alpha, which controls such universal qualities as the
Speaker 1: speed of light. Boom, I. I I can't think of an
Speaker 1: appropriate sound effect. Maybe our superproducer Noel has one. H Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the perfect one, because that is mind blowing,
Speaker 1: the idea that all of these constants we perceive in
Speaker 1: the universe may not be as constant as we think.
Speaker 1: You know, do they change if you're in another neighborhood
Speaker 1: of reality? It's possible. But we have to remember this
Speaker 1: is one one version, one one subject, one time that
Speaker 1: we're noticing that this constant isn't the same, right, right yep.
Speaker 1: So any of you out there, you know, shrugging and
Speaker 1: going oh god, they don't understand the just note that
Speaker 1: we we do understand that this is one instance of
Speaker 1: a constant that seems to not be the same right
Speaker 1: speed of light. It just sounds so emo. Now they
Speaker 1: just don't understand the speed of light. Um, yeah, it's true,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a really good observation because what we're
Speaker 1: finding is, uh is bizarre because we know that now
Speaker 1: a reaction like this probably wouldn't occur in the wild.
Speaker 1: There's simply not enough uranium in those deposits. So well,
Speaker 1: how how did it work differently? Was there just more
Speaker 1: you two thirty five in these deposits? Did it somehow
Speaker 1: take less of it? Did nuclear reactions I don't know
Speaker 1: worked differently. What we're seeing is that the fundamental concepts
Speaker 1: of the glue binding the spine of the universe into
Speaker 1: a book may just be non existent or as you said,
Speaker 1: just in our neighborhood or Ben, here's the best theory.
Speaker 1: What if this is a sign of ancient technology. What
Speaker 1: if this was made this way? What if what if
Speaker 1: aliens or what if we're the aliens who found the
Speaker 1: nuclear waste? You know, are we a butterfly having a dream,
Speaker 1: et cetera? Right, Yeah, yeah, I can't remember. I'm kidding,
Speaker 1: We do remember the whole quote, but but it is
Speaker 1: a nice way to flip the perspective. So, yeah, what
Speaker 1: it was somehow made. Here's the deal. If it was
Speaker 1: made by people, and if ancient history is remotely true,
Speaker 1: then uh, people would have to be around way longer
Speaker 1: than we thought. It's if this thing really is two
Speaker 1: billion years old, then there's no one we know of
Speaker 1: who would be capable of doing that. People weren't around,
Speaker 1: We were just a twinkle in the Universe's I unless
Speaker 1: it's been so long since the previous iteration of intelligence
Speaker 1: on this planet, Ben that we didn't find anything, like
Speaker 1: you said, but the uranium deposit, which is weird because
Speaker 1: that from what we know about the formation of the Earth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whomever was surviving, right, who would be intelligent enough to
Speaker 1: create a nuclear reaction? They had to be some hard
Speaker 1: cases because Earth was a brutal place and billions of
Speaker 1: years ago. I just I don't know. We we received
Speaker 1: some interesting letters from people before about doing an ancient
Speaker 1: technology podcast, and we know that a lot of the
Speaker 1: skeptical folks listening to the audience will roll their eyes
Speaker 1: and say this is not worth it. But newsflash, Uh,
Speaker 1: there there really has been ancient lost technology that was rediscovered, right. No. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can look at the anti Cathera mechanism. We we
Speaker 1: talked about that before in a video podcast a long
Speaker 1: time ago. Yeah, I'd love to do an audio show
Speaker 1: about that. Then you even got the Greek fire right, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is uh that was a weapon that the Greeks
Speaker 1: would use and the secret of making this was lost
Speaker 1: for a very long time. That's not the only example,
Speaker 1: of course, we can have an entire other show about
Speaker 1: historical or archaeological and achronisms, you know, things out of time, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Baghdad batteries, which I think was used for silver plating,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. We'll wait for it, sorry, matt um.
Speaker 1: So we want to know what you think. Now we've
Speaker 1: gotten we've gotten some great letters about especially in uh
Speaker 1: South Asia areas, Pakistan, uh Bangladesh, India. We've gotten letters
Speaker 1: about various descriptions of what maybe ancient technology, and we
Speaker 1: know that historically India is a powerhouse of um brilliant innovations.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of If you're not familiar with
Speaker 1: some of the history of inventions and concepts that come
Speaker 1: from South Asia, then you know taking afternoon off. Tell
Speaker 1: your Bossory, and I'll learn about the world. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: doesn't everybody get a day off to learn about the
Speaker 1: world at least the day. And we'd like to know
Speaker 1: your suggestions of what sort of ancient technology we should
Speaker 1: look at, and if you think it is possibly tell
Speaker 1: us this. Uh. Do you think it is possible that
Speaker 1: being that humanity as we know it has gotten the
Speaker 1: entire story of history? Wrong? Uh? And when I when
Speaker 1: I say that, what I mean is, do you think
Speaker 1: it's possible that there could have been some other civilization
Speaker 1: that was responsible for um, nuclear reactors? Because it looks
Speaker 1: like everything we see, it looks like these just happened
Speaker 1: as ridiculously weird as that sounds, and if you have
Speaker 1: to be explained perfectly, but they've been explained adequately at
Speaker 1: least for me. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like just the
Speaker 1: lottery of strange coincidences and just right moments, unless that
Speaker 1: is somehow an intelligent force made them. But then the
Speaker 1: question would be why haven't we seen any thing else?
Speaker 1: Because you know, Ben, I hear that there are no coincidences,
Speaker 1: at least that's what I hear. I got a fortune
Speaker 1: cookie that said that one time that was a weird
Speaker 1: moment in my life. So I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is also not a coincidence. Yeah, you ever have them,
Speaker 1: those days where everything seems laden with meaning and symbolic
Speaker 1: and stuff all the time. It happens to me when
Speaker 1: I don't get enough sleep, which is all the time. Alright, guys,
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