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Speaker 1: Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Mistell Tondo,

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Speaker 1: it was a bright light. She didn't bolve anybody. She

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Speaker 1: didn't hurt anyone. I heard, like, I counted six shots

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Speaker 1: son Loady's gun. Because I heard the shots that I

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Speaker 1: didn't hear anything else, So I went back to sleep.

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Speaker 1: I really don't want to believe it for her, and

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Speaker 1: I really don't. She is stunning, she is Statue West,

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Speaker 1: She's a workout efficionado, gorgeous of brunette, A young teacher,

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Speaker 1: everything in front of her, her whole life. She is

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Speaker 1: Who's responsible? I mean, I see grace. This is crime stories.

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Speaker 1: Why did a teacher get gunned down in the home

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Speaker 1: there was no kidnap, there was no sex assault. Why

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Speaker 1: straight out to Jennifer Sakowski, crime online investigative reporter, And Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: what an article you wrote in crime online dot com?

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Speaker 1: You start at the beginning, don't leave anything out. I

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Speaker 1: want to start with the crime scene. Who, what, where? When? House?

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Speaker 1: So this story is based in el Equippa, Pennsylvania. Rachel Deltando, Okay, white, white, white,

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Speaker 1: Where is al Equippa? Well, where is that? Al Equippa

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Speaker 1: part of that great state. Alan, did I ask you?

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Speaker 1: I asked, Jennifer, Jennifer, where is it? It is a

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Speaker 1: suburb of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. That'll teach you, Alan Duke. Okay, Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: back to the story. So a suburb. From what I understand,

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Speaker 1: understand exactly where it is. So kind of a bedroom

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Speaker 1: is my understanding. It's like, you know what I always

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Speaker 1: think of Jackie. I always think of the Dick Van

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Speaker 1: Dyke show. Not to date myself, but remember, didn't they

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Speaker 1: But that's what al Equippa is to Pittsburgh, I'm told so, Jennifer.

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Speaker 1: She's out in the sleepy suburbs as they call them,

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Speaker 1: So Rachel DeLand. She was previously engaged, and she was

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Speaker 1: a teacher at Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School. At the charter school,

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Speaker 1: it's an online school where students learn from live certified

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Speaker 1: teachers through webcams. And in a minute, wait, woa wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: you're just giving me so much information. Hold on just

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Speaker 1: a moment. Two big red flags right there, not red flags,

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Speaker 1: but things of interest, Okay. And you know what I

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Speaker 1: always love with me is Ashley Wilcot, judge lawyer, founder

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Speaker 1: of childcrimewatch dot com, forensics guru Karen Smith out of Florida,

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Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst out of LA doctor Bethany Marshall, and of

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Speaker 1: course crime online investigative reporter Jennifer Sikowski. You know what

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Speaker 1: I love Ashley is? Now what was I going to say? Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: hear what she just said? Jennifer Szikowski Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: It happens when you have children. You just god right,

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Speaker 1: bethany jump in. I mean to have a wedding go

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Speaker 1: I just said, I just can't do the the dress

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Speaker 1: that you ordered two dresses. Alan. Don't you dare interrupt

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Speaker 1: choking on that a ten thousand dollars Jennifer Zigowski, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're on probation. You did not tell me the wedding

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Speaker 1: dress cost ten thousand dollars. Yea, what it did? It did?

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Speaker 1: be handmade by a New York designer. There was a

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Speaker 1: non transferable under any circumstances. Lisa del Tondo says she

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Speaker 1: Rachel del Tondo was measured. The family put down nearly

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Speaker 1: no refunds. I understood that. Four months after the contract

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Speaker 1: We will be sending a certified check out to del Tondo.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your efforts. His attorney sent us a letter stating,

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Speaker 1: She had been out having ice cream. You know what.

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, you're the forensics expert. Every detail matters, and

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Speaker 1: willing to spend ten thousand dollars on a teacher salary.

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Speaker 1: I know how little they make, and she sunk all

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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, every one of these details to me

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Speaker 1: And I think that everything that you just outlined is

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Speaker 1: Who knows what she's got? Hans go hey, Karen, what's

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Speaker 1: your question? Because I'm interested if you're talking about forensics,

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Speaker 1: I want to know the ballistics, what kind of gun,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer to you, Okay, we've gone through the whole thing

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Speaker 1: The window steamed over, the engine running again. She begged

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Speaker 1: officers not to tell her for yance quote because he

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00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: would get mad. Now police find text messages and snapchat

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00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: messages suggesting Rachel and the teen had some sort of

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00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: relationship that can't be good, and she was suspended for

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Speaker 1: one month after this incident. One month now, Ashley Wilcot,

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Speaker 1: you're the juvenile judge and lawyer founder of child crimewatch

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00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: dot com. The school suspended her, Now if they had

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Speaker 1: believed that there had been a sex relationship, between her

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Speaker 1: and the boy. Under law, they would have to report it,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't they. They would have to report it. If and

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00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: this is where the if is, if he were under

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Speaker 1: seventeen at the time it occurred, at least in the

437
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: state of Georgia, he was okay, they would have to

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00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: report it. Absolutely. My fear is that the school did

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00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: an investigation and said, oh, not enough information, not enough evidence,

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Speaker 1: so we don't need to report it. That's not their decision.

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00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: That happens, but they should have reported it immediately. Well,

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00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: the police knew about it, so what was there to

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00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: report The police knew about It's not like the police

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00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: didn't know. And not only that, if there had been

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Speaker 1: a sex relationship, which would likely have been a dutory

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00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: rape scenario, she would have been prosecuted. But nothing happened.

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00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: That says to me there was not a sex relationship. Yeah.

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00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. What I do know is

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00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: she's dead. She was murdered, and whatever happened between her

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Speaker 1: and the boy, I mean, does not call for the

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Speaker 1: death penalty. I know that much. And I've got her

452
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: father and mother breaking down in tears because their daughter's

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Speaker 1: gunned down in their driveway Jennifer Szikowski Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, pick it up right there? What more

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Speaker 1: do we know? Well, another interesting aspect to this all. I,

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00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: of course the police did know about this, but when

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Speaker 1: this happened in February twenty sixteen, they did not go

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Speaker 1: to the school to let them know. The only way

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Speaker 1: the school found out was through this leaked email, which

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Speaker 1: was sent out anonymously. That tells me someone was out

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Speaker 1: to get her exposed. They wanted this expose right there.

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00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: Hold on, that's a major clue. And you're right, doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall and Karen Smith. I need you two ladies

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Speaker 1: on this, doctor Bethany, um number one, if someone is

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Speaker 1: going to go to the extent of leaking that email

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Speaker 1: or the was it the police report or what was

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Speaker 1: on the email? Jennifer, Well, yes, it contain multiple reports

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Speaker 1: from the police, from state and federal agencias I should

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Speaker 1: say databases, and those emailed reports contain internation such as

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Speaker 1: social security numbers and other identifying information that isn't readily

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Speaker 1: available to the public through public open records releases. And

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00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: because of that, because of that, what because of that?

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Speaker 1: As state investigation followed, there was more than regarding the

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Speaker 1: Alexippa Police Department. What were you going to say, Allen?

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Speaker 1: Besides the police report, the emails that were sent from

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Speaker 1: an anonymous actually fake email address said that this teenager

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Speaker 1: had a quote relationship with the teacher over text messages

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Speaker 1: and through Snapchat. Okay, repeat that one more time, Allen.

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Speaker 1: The anonymous email also said that Deltondo and the teen

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Speaker 1: had a quote relationship through text messages and also over

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Speaker 1: the social media site Snapchat. Guys. Rachel was suspended from

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Speaker 1: her teaching position and removed from the classroom, penning an investigation.

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Speaker 1: Now that's according to Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School CEO Brian Hayden. Now,

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Speaker 1: this occurred after an email was sent to several people,

485
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Speaker 1: including the school and members of the media, and it

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Speaker 1: included the Aliquippa police incident report describing the cops finding

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Speaker 1: her and the student together in a parking lot, an

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Speaker 1: empty parking lot. I might add, now the instant report

489
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: was two years old, but he is a mandatory reporter,

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Speaker 1: the CEO, Brian Hayden, and he notified Pennsylvania Child Line

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Speaker 1: as well as began his own investigation. She was never

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Speaker 1: charged by police. That's very significant. Now, according to the report,

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Speaker 1: you all know what happened. A guy was on a

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Speaker 1: regular patrol about two o'clock in the morning. An officer

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Speaker 1: noticed a car was parked near the old Equippo Hospital property.

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Speaker 1: Cops went up to it. The windows were steamed over.

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Speaker 1: The engine, this says, was not running. The officer identified

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Speaker 1: Rachel and asked why she and the boy were there.

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Speaker 1: According to the report, she told officer she was just talking.

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Speaker 1: He was her former student and they were friends. She

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00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: did not want her fiance to know she was part

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00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: here because he would get mad. She maintained he was

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: only She was only there because the team was upset

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00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: and needed somebody to talk to. Officers drive the team

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00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: home and told her there were better places to talk

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Speaker 1: to a team than in a parked car at two

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Speaker 1: am in the morning. Now to you, doctor Bethany, Back

508
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Speaker 1: to my original question before I went down a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: Who would be so vengeful they would send this email

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Speaker 1: not just to the school, but to media as well.

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00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: What about that? Could it be the person that murdered her?

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00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely and so vengeful They sent it from a dummy account.

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00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: And my understanding is the state police started to investigate

514
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: the local police because the policemen found her in this

515
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: car with the steam windows, but never filed a proper

516
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: child abuse report with authorities and has actually pointed out,

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00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, policemen are mandated reporters. They don't have to

518
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: report child abuse. They report suspicion of child abuse. So

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00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: there was adequate suspicion, the police officers should have filed

520
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: another report with the local authorities. But I want to

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00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: know who was stalking Rachel. Someone someone was stalking work.

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Speaker 1: This is a form of cyberstalking. Was it the fiance's parents,

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00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: was it the seventeen year old, the seventeen year old friends,

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00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: the seventeen year old parents. Somebody was obsessed with the way.

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00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: How could some kid get ahold of information like that?

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Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott child crimewatch dot com. I don't see a

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00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: teen boy imaging to hack in and get police reports

528
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: like that. I I do. I do see it and

529
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: believe it or not. Some of these kids, and remember

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00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: it was a charter school, right, so he may have

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00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: had the ability and the skilled to do it. These

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00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: kids can work computers. Now I don't know that he did,

533
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: but I think it's absolute resolutely possible. But the one

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00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: that really my gut, my gut, is are the police

535
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: looking at the ex fiance because if he was the

536
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: jilted fiance because it got broken off because of her

537
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: actions and choices, well then he may have a lot

538
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: of hostility towards her. Two Karen Smith, forensics expert, police

539
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: are saying in the last hours actually that this was

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00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: definitely a crime of passion. Why, well, you have a

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Speaker 1: significantly narrowed down suspect pool at this point based on

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00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: everything that we've heard. You have a jilted fiance, you

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00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: have a state investigation of a police agency. You have

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00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: a kid who was apparently involved in some way, shape

545
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: or form with this teacher and victim. So you have

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00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: all of these people who have motive. Motive, You have

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00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: motive means an opportunity. It's going to come down to motives.

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Speaker 1: And at this point, did you say earlier that she

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00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: had ten gunshot wounds to her chest? Is that correct?

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00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: At least? Listen, that is somebody who was either very

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Speaker 1: close to her facing her when they fired those shots,

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Speaker 1: or somebody who knew how to use a weapon, how

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Speaker 1: to aim it, and how to do a close grouping

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00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what. That sets off some serious

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00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: red flags in my brain and a path that I

556
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: don't care to go down because that says police officer

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00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: to me. And I hate to say that, but that's

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00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: how we are trained. You shoot, you aim small, and

559
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: you miss small, and that I don't see. Are you

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00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: saying a cop did this? No, I'm not saying that.

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00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, if you have a leaked

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Speaker 1: email that this husband fiance got a hold of and

563
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: it was leaked from the police department, was it his buddy?

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00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: Did this ex fiance do gun training with his buddy?

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Speaker 1: And I know that's kind of a rabbit hole, but

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Speaker 1: it's a possibility. You have to look at the gunshots,

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00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: you have to look at the grouping, and you have

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Speaker 1: to look at where the shooter was standing in relation

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Speaker 1: are investigating and searching for the truth in the brutal

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Speaker 1: murder of a young brunette teacher, Rachel Deltondo gunned down

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Speaker 1: and her mother's driveway. Also, who would do that in

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Speaker 1: the moms' driveway to so much heartache to her family?

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Speaker 1: Right now, investigators are saying in the last hours it

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Speaker 1: was definitely a quote crime of passion. They say the

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Speaker 1: murderer of this young teacher in the driveway a crime

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Speaker 1: of passion. And investigators say they will take all the

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Speaker 1: time they need to find who killed Rachel Deltondo. They're

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Speaker 1: canvassing the neighborhood. They're reviewing surveillance tapes, they are looking

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Speaker 1: at cell phones and computers, texts, communications, and they're investigating

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Speaker 1: everyone driving in Elquippa that area that night and was

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Speaker 1: anywhere near the home. Take a listen to this. We're

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Speaker 1: getting video cameras, we are downloading information, we are interviewing witnesses.

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Speaker 1: We are doing everything we can investigating everyone that was

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Speaker 1: driving around al Equippa that night that was anywhere near

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Speaker 1: this young lady's house. They are confirming they do not

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Speaker 1: have a suspect. Ashley Wilcott, you were speaking, what was

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00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: your question? Does anyone know what the ex fiance does

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Speaker 1: for a living, is he in law enforcement? Related to

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Speaker 1: law enforcement? Because of the discussion already about the shooting

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Speaker 1: and the ten shots and where it was and was,

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Speaker 1: you know, law enforcement trained would know how to kill

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Speaker 1: someone in that manner. I think we're really extrapolating way,

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Speaker 1: way too far. Jennifer Szigowski Crime Online by saying that

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Speaker 1: this is cop related. Jennifer, Okay, So I think it's

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Speaker 1: important to note after the first email will send on

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Speaker 1: October twenty sixth of twenty seventeen, the very next day,

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Speaker 1: in October twenty seventh and another email was sent to

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Speaker 1: the press and acquaintances of Rachel alleging a cover up.

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00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: That email said, quote the reason this report was not

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Speaker 1: fire in February twenty sixteen with the Alexippa School Districts,

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Speaker 1: Children and Youth Services and a mandated report to the

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Speaker 1: Department of Education was because it was an an attempted

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Speaker 1: to cover up, a cover up. What could that possibly mean, Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: A cover up? It went way because the cop leaked it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean it could be that it could be that

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Speaker 1: the cop leaked it, that somehow the fiancee got ahold

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Speaker 1: of it. There's so many questions right now that that

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00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: earth not answered quite yet. What we do know, though,

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Speaker 1: is that a state investigation followed the leak reporting. Um

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Speaker 1: you know that the email and the investigation was regarding

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Speaker 1: the Alexhippa Police Department. The death of a young woman

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Speaker 1: gunned down and her family's driveway in Beaver County is

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Speaker 1: definitely a homicide. She was shot at least ten times,

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Speaker 1: but she had already been a victim, the victim of

641
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Speaker 1: a confidential information leak. Somebody within the police department or

642
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: someone that could hack into the police department gave out

643
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Speaker 1: this information and it ended in the breakup of her engagement.

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Speaker 1: After that, she's gunned down in the driveway. The family

645
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Speaker 1: inside had no idea what was happening. Now. One thing

646
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: they're doing right now, Karen Smith, is they're trying to

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Speaker 1: find out who was in the neighborhood. How can they

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Speaker 1: do that, Karen, you're the forensic expert. Other than getting

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Speaker 1: neighbors surveillance cameras, how about a sting ray. If they

650
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Speaker 1: could get hold of a sting ray device where they

651
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: can pick up all the cell phones that were there

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Speaker 1: in the thirty minutes before and the thirty minutes after. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that is going to be key. Get the cell phone

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Speaker 1: tower pings, find out who was in the area, get

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Speaker 1: her cell phone. You know, who was contacting her? Was

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00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about stalking earlier with somebody sending

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Speaker 1: her multiple texts or multiple emails and he threatening emails

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Speaker 1: or texts, phone calls that came into her. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to talk to any of her contacts? Who was

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00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: this x fiance? Again, we go back to motives. Who

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Speaker 1: was in the neighborhood, who was around her house? This

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Speaker 1: is you know, it's a small town. You've said, it's

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Speaker 1: a small suburb. There can't be that many people, including

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Speaker 1: the neighbors who were in that area at the time. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's another clue. What about this, asked she Willcott general

666
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Speaker 1: judge and lawyer. The moment they keep saying this over

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Speaker 1: and over, the moment she put one foot on the driveway,

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Speaker 1: the moment she stepped out of the car coming home

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Speaker 1: from the ice cream shop she was gunned down. That

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Speaker 1: says to me someone was lying in wait, because the

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Speaker 1: likelihood of them driving by at that exact moment and

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Speaker 1: shooting her is highly unlikely. That means, in my mind,

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Speaker 1: somebody was lying in wait. That's a death penalty case.

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Speaker 1: By the way, when you lie in wait way to

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Speaker 1: en ambush somebody. That also says to me that this

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Speaker 1: could have even been a hit job. Somebody had it

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Speaker 1: out for her. They leaked this email, they leaked this

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Speaker 1: information to ruin her, and then they either killed her

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Speaker 1: themselves or hired somebody to do it. Can't you just

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Speaker 1: see about locals in the area that had it out

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Speaker 1: for her do this? Now, everybody's looking at the fiance.

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Speaker 1: He's not a suspect, He's not a person of interest,

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Speaker 1: all right. This is what I do know. Though, Jackie

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Speaker 1: has come up with information that the Pennsylvania State Police

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Speaker 1: have opened an investigation and to the Aliquippa Police Department

686
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Speaker 1: on misuse of law enforcement data from the Law Enforcement

687
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Speaker 1: Assistance Network. A police spokesperson, Ryan Turkowski has stated this openly.

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Speaker 1: So all Equippa police are being investigated for misuse of information.

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Speaker 1: Is it related to Rachel's case where they let somebody

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Speaker 1: leak this police report that did not amount to a

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Speaker 1: hill of beans. We don't know, but certainly certainly it is.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen, detective police. Also, we're stating they have

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Speaker 1: some home security surveillance video and they're looking at it

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Speaker 1: right now. So back to you, Karen Smith, what what

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Speaker 1: can they do look at surveillance video maybe you sting ray.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody has that, but you can borrow it. I

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Speaker 1: know New York City has it. That's not you know,

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Speaker 1: two hours away to trap all the cell phone usage nearby,

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Speaker 1: or maybe they could do it from cell phone data

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Speaker 1: from a tower. Karen, Absolutely, they can. They can do

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Speaker 1: all of those things, including the video surveillance, which will

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Speaker 1: show the vehicles that were in the area. You know,

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Speaker 1: if it's good video surveillance, you may get a peak

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Speaker 1: of who was driving that car at the time they

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Speaker 1: were in the area. You know, businesses, you can't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere today, Nancy without being videotaped fifty six thousand times

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Speaker 1: a day. They have to look at all the Well,

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Speaker 1: we've got another clue. We've got another clue. We have

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Speaker 1: just managed to find out what the teen boys mother

710
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Speaker 1: has to say Target Elevins. Red Girl obtained a copy

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Speaker 1: of the police report about that night and took it

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Speaker 1: to the student's mom. I don't know if you've seen this.

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Speaker 1: This is a copy of the police report. Are you

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Speaker 1: there a police report? The former student was her then

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old son. I really don't want to believe it,

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Speaker 1: but she's only just finding out about the incident. I

717
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: have been going around. According to the police report, the

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Speaker 1: officer asked the teacher what was going on. Both the

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Speaker 1: student and teacher said they were quote talking and we're

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Speaker 1: just friends. If this is true, why wasn't I notified?

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Speaker 1: Police send us a statement saying the incident was investigated

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Speaker 1: twice and was quote unfounded. That answer isn't good enough

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Speaker 1: for this mom. I'm looking to obtain a lawyer to

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Speaker 1: find out what is actually going on. That is from

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Speaker 1: local channel eleven wp XI, and they confront the boy's

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Speaker 1: mother and she knew nothing about it. Okay, So that's

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Speaker 1: given me a lot of clues to you, Jennifer Sakowski

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Speaker 1: crime online dot Com. Somebody hated this woman, this young teacher,

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Speaker 1: so much they ruined her reputation. They destroyed plans for

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Speaker 1: her wedding, She was suspended from school, the police decided

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Speaker 1: there was no further action to be taken on the case.

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Speaker 1: She was never charged, and now she's been gunned down

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Speaker 1: in the driveway. Where does it stand right now? Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: were right now, well, they obviously are investigating every possible

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Speaker 1: angle that they can. As you said before, who was

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Speaker 1: driving by their investigating it as a crime of passion.

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Speaker 1: At this point, they do not believe that there's just

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Speaker 1: a random killer running around in the neighborhood. And I

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Speaker 1: also did want to mention she Rachel spoke with The

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Speaker 1: Beaver Counting in December of twenty seventeen, and she said

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Speaker 1: she told the newspaper that the relationship with the boy

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Speaker 1: was merely a friendship, but she added that she was

743
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Speaker 1: receiving death threats following the emails and subsequent media reports. Man,

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Speaker 1: what a twisted tale this is all turned out to be.

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Speaker 1: From the broken engagement to the ten thousand dollars dress

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Speaker 1: couldn't get a refund, to the late emails, the death threats,

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Speaker 1: and now a cold blood did murder. I've ever actually

748
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Speaker 1: committed a crime, but if everything came out that I

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Speaker 1: would did when I was thirty years old, I would

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Speaker 1: be mortified. You have the same thought, man, This poor

751
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Speaker 1: woman has been so exposed by whoever was stalking her.

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00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Rachel Biltondo ultimately had no privacy in her life. Well,

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, doctor Bethany, don't you kind of

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Speaker 1: sign up for that when you have a relationship of

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Speaker 1: any sort with a team boyd Right, But we don't

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Speaker 1: know what was going on for Rachel. I mean, because

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Speaker 1: I'm a clinician, I think was she bipolar which causes

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Speaker 1: hyper sexuality. Did she have lapses in judgment because of

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Speaker 1: substance abuse? Was she being stalked by her boyfriend or

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Speaker 1: her fiance at the time, and because of that she

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Speaker 1: turned to a student and again a fatal, fatal lack

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Speaker 1: of judgment. But I don't think anybody deserves to have

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Speaker 1: their whole private history exposed because somebody hates them and

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Speaker 1: somebody is stalking them. See, this is the problem that

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Speaker 1: we see with stalking. The stalker always investigates the victim,

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Speaker 1: exposes every wrongdoing in the victim's life, puts it on

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Speaker 1: the internet, puts it on the news, puts it everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And then the stalking victim is the one who gets

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Speaker 1: vilified in the end. And I don't think any of

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Speaker 1: us want my life on trial. You know what's interesting,

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, you know what's interesting. And I know she

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Speaker 1: had some sort of an inappropriate relationship with the teen boy.

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Speaker 1: I know that, but my heart is broken for her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right. Everything. Imagine the worst thing you've

775
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: ever done being exposed to the world. Your wedding's called off.

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Speaker 1: Everybody finds out about this bad thing you did, and

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Speaker 1: she ended up gunned down in her driveway, and you'll, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry to interrupt. But before being gone down,

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Speaker 1: she loses her job, She has a police report filed,

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Speaker 1: she has to move back in with her parents in

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Speaker 1: her early thirties. That might seem like a small detail,

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Speaker 1: but nobody wants to move back into the frontal home

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00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: at that age, probably has no financial resources. The wedding's

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Speaker 1: called off, there's social humiliation in front of all of

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Speaker 1: her family and friends. There's the threat of this police

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Speaker 1: report being continually leak. Then she's gone down in the

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Speaker 1: driveway on Mother's Day in front of friends. She's coming

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Speaker 1: home from an ice cream shop. So I know because

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Speaker 1: I see stocking victims in my practice. We see pictures

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Speaker 1: of this teacher, full of life. She's gorgeous, she's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: But this is a young woman who is truly being terrorized.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to find out pretty soon who was

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Speaker 1: terrorizing her. If you have information as to the murder

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Speaker 1: of this beautiful young teacher, Rachel Deltondo. Please call anonymous

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend