Speaker 1: Get the bag off the TV. I'm not watching that.
Speaker 1: Two she lays stand before me. Hey, two folks stand
Speaker 1: before me. But I only have one photo in my hands,
Speaker 1: and that photo represents the person who will continue on
Speaker 1: in the hopes of becoming America's next Top Model. The
Speaker 1: person I do not name must immediately return to your house,
Speaker 1: pack your bags, and get the funk out of here,
Speaker 1: because you're dead to me. Today we are talking about
Speaker 1: the groundbreaking reality television competition America's Next Top Model, and
Speaker 1: we have Travell Anderson here to talk about it with us,
Speaker 1: because this is like a Virgin the show where we
Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you,
Speaker 1: and I'm Fran Toronto, and I have been preparing for
Speaker 1: this episode for months. Literally, as the person who uses
Speaker 1: someone else's Hulu account and gave that log in to
Speaker 1: Fran and sees what Fran is watching on Hulu, I
Speaker 1: can confirm that France has been watching nothing but Top
Speaker 1: Bottle from months. It is so addictive and really interesting
Speaker 1: to watch. We'll get into interesting is a good word
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that honestly,
Speaker 1: a lot of the conversations people are having on social
Speaker 1: media about like this show and like canceling Tyra whatnot.
Speaker 1: I think that kind of black nuanceenter a little boring,
Speaker 1: but we'll get into that which today we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the uncancellable Tyra Banks. Yes, that's right. I
Speaker 1: finally watched the new Scream movie last night. Five Cream,
Speaker 1: five Cream. Have you seen it yet? Yeah? Okay, I did.
Speaker 1: When Dewey died. I mean I didn't cry, but I
Speaker 1: felt a little emotional. What about the Dewy death made
Speaker 1: you cry? I don't know, it just was and it
Speaker 1: was more like um Courtney Cox's reaction to it, and
Speaker 1: like her extension work of like whipping her head around
Speaker 1: and her hair being everywhere, like you know, not a
Speaker 1: tear falling from her eyes, but it was. I thought
Speaker 1: it was generally a pretty good Scream movie. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was quite as smart as the last Scream movie.
Speaker 1: It was a standout. It was a really good um
Speaker 1: revamping of the formula with Emma Roberts. And I really
Speaker 1: hope that since there is a six one being made,
Speaker 1: that they do bring back Kirby as played by Hayden Penetier.
Speaker 1: I would die, Oh my gosh, this movie does confirm
Speaker 1: that she's alive and survived the last movie, so they
Speaker 1: need to bring her back. She needs to actually be
Speaker 1: a lesbian this time. I want her to the same haircut.
Speaker 1: Last night, I watched A Bug's Life, which stars Hayden
Speaker 1: Penetier as Dot the like tiny princess, but the world
Speaker 1: is ready for a for a Penetier assance. Absolutely, did
Speaker 1: you ever watch Nashville? No, but I watched the first
Speaker 1: couple of seasons and like, that's the first couple of seas.
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say, the first couple of episodes.
Speaker 1: I watched the first couple. I watched the first three
Speaker 1: seasons and it was gripping, and Hayden was great in it,
Speaker 1: and Connie Britten is a legend. Her Instagram bio is
Speaker 1: still hey, y'all, y'all. Okay, wait back to Scream. The
Speaker 1: franchise thrives on meta humor, and that's like always what
Speaker 1: it's been about. But I feel like they tried to
Speaker 1: make the magic happen too many times with this movie,
Speaker 1: because like the meta humor I think was so absurd
Speaker 1: in the fourth movie, Like what they are trying to
Speaker 1: get away with in terms of meta jokes has like
Speaker 1: accrued and accrud and a crude movie by movie, and
Speaker 1: now by this movie, it's like I wish you had
Speaker 1: started fresh and found other jokes to make, because I
Speaker 1: actually didn't feel like there were a lot of jokes,
Speaker 1: or at least ones that I remember, outside of the
Speaker 1: fact that like, oh, we're in a scary movie, and
Speaker 1: it's funny that we're talking about scary movies, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I get that. It just
Speaker 1: became repetitive to me in in a way that I
Speaker 1: had never felt watching other screen movies. But if you
Speaker 1: want to hear more about screen movies, you can go
Speaker 1: back and listen to our episode on Scream and Slasher Flicks,
Speaker 1: The Final Doll, which is one of our better episode titles.
Speaker 1: Are we excited about this restored gay kiss in the
Speaker 1: hot Buzz Lightyear movie? Only if it looks like the
Speaker 1: fan art that I sent you of Buzz pulling Woody's string.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you first of all, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure everyone has already discussed this on the internet, but
Speaker 1: Buzz is so hot in this trailer, and we know
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be the gay one, which suck,
Speaker 1: but like apparently the gay kiss scene was restored into
Speaker 1: the movie as which means it was previously edited or
Speaker 1: censored out, which Disney has a history of doing. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably like a peck of the frame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be as lame as honestly Robert Pattinson kissing
Speaker 1: Zoe Kravitz in the Batman Movie, if not worse unless
Speaker 1: buzz like your show's whole I'm not interested. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: what sucks because he's a toy. Yeah, And I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring it up as like an extension of like
Speaker 1: last week's convo about like the whole like don't say
Speaker 1: a Gay Bell thing. It actually is like so shitty
Speaker 1: that they get to have like a press release or
Speaker 1: headline about this new gay moment that was already like
Speaker 1: censored out, like in reaction to like all this outrage
Speaker 1: over they don't say gay Bell. It's like everything. I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty transparent though, because everything I've seen about
Speaker 1: it immediately then says this comes after Disney staffers revolted
Speaker 1: following their CEOs funk up of supporting the Don't Say
Speaker 1: Gay bill, So I don't know, it's like pretty transparent.
Speaker 1: And probably we'll still see the movie. Yes, I'm definitely
Speaker 1: gonna see it. I think that honestly, the virgins have
Speaker 1: to know that. Like you and I, we have this
Speaker 1: like like recurring bit on our show. We're like something
Speaker 1: is announced about a new gay character in a Marvel
Speaker 1: movie or like a new gay something in a Disney whatever,
Speaker 1: and we're always like, like it's so annoying, and like
Speaker 1: the reason this is like so frustrating is because corporations
Speaker 1: get to like do extremely like homophobic and transphobic things
Speaker 1: and then like spin it around and like profit off
Speaker 1: of it by way of like quote unquote representation matters
Speaker 1: kind of bullshit, you know, but it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we just over emphasize the importance of representation and we
Speaker 1: say representation matters, and like if you go and see
Speaker 1: our representation, it's like activism and like you feel empowered,
Speaker 1: but it's like empowered to do activism is activism, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is like empowered to do what,
Speaker 1: like empowered to fight entities like Disney. Like that is
Speaker 1: like literally the movie is proselytizing something that is in
Speaker 1: direct diametric opposition to the very values that the actual
Speaker 1: institution stands for. And the only reason that they're going
Speaker 1: back on their ways is because they're realizing that they're
Speaker 1: losing profit. Like I just you can never look to
Speaker 1: a corporation like Disney for a meaningful political action, And
Speaker 1: I get it. I want children to also grow up
Speaker 1: in a world where they see themselves reflected in the
Speaker 1: media they consume, but it exists other places. They'll find
Speaker 1: it other places. And like Disney is just always going
Speaker 1: to be too scared about alienating their conservative consumers, then
Speaker 1: about pandering to what they see as a very small
Speaker 1: minority of the marketplace until someone hires me to do
Speaker 1: a gay Prince story. I refuse to believe that anything
Speaker 1: Disney does. Yeah, and I'll just keep writing fan fiction.
Speaker 1: I should speaking of I did like that line and
Speaker 1: scream where you were like, are you saying I'm in
Speaker 1: fan fucking fiction? It was that was actually really good.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of fan fiction. Um Fran implored me to
Speaker 1: watch the new Apple TV series We Crashed this weekend,
Speaker 1: is fan fiction about the lives of Adam Newman and
Speaker 1: his wife, who were the founders of We Work. It's
Speaker 1: not good. It's not good. Right, it's not good, And like,
Speaker 1: why is it called we crashed? It should be like
Speaker 1: we flopped, We flopped, But it's it's based on a podcast,
Speaker 1: which like similarly to The Dropout. It's like this TV
Speaker 1: show about a scam. It's based on a podcast that
Speaker 1: like investigates the lives of the people who perpetrated the
Speaker 1: scam and tries to figure out why they did it.
Speaker 1: But there's just nothing not even just like redeemable about
Speaker 1: the two characters. It's just they're just not interesting. And
Speaker 1: Jared leto, we need to stop letting him into makeup trailers.
Speaker 1: And you know, I watched the documentary about the whole
Speaker 1: We Work thing, and I went back and looked at
Speaker 1: photos of Out of Newman after watching the show this weekend,
Speaker 1: and like, the stuff that Jared let us doing is
Speaker 1: not even making him look like the person he's playing.
Speaker 1: It's just drag. It's so dumb. Yeah, it's frustrating. There's
Speaker 1: nothing compelling about their romance to me, like, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I also agree, I don't understand why Anna is taking
Speaker 1: this role. Like I'm really proud of her for, you know,
Speaker 1: disappearing into the character by bringing her voice to a
Speaker 1: slightly lower register so that she sounds like poor sha ROSSI.
Speaker 1: But it's like the soundtrack also, like rather the score
Speaker 1: really positions the two of them as this like tragic
Speaker 1: hero story, like you're really kind of ass yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're but they're trying to make you feel like a
Speaker 1: lot more empathy for like their romance, but there's nothing
Speaker 1: compelling about it. And like, I think like it would
Speaker 1: have been so much more successful if Anne Hathaway was
Speaker 1: a huge asshole instead of like a subtle kind of
Speaker 1: vegan ass well, the show was very sympathetic towards her.
Speaker 1: I do. I do like how Rebecca, who Anne Hathaway
Speaker 1: is playing, is the cousin of Gwyneth Paltrow, and I
Speaker 1: love every time they mentioned Gwyneth or like at her wedding,
Speaker 1: people keep asking if Gwyneth is going to come and
Speaker 1: she gets increasingly furious about it. I thought that was
Speaker 1: funny and like, Anne Hathaway must know Gwyneth Paltrow, but
Speaker 1: Gwyneth is very like mean, she loves like self referential humor,
Speaker 1: so she has no idea the show exists, so she
Speaker 1: probably doesn't even know this woman is her cousin exactly exactly. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that just and like thrives when she gets
Speaker 1: to play an asshole, like when I think of Oceans
Speaker 1: eight or The Witches, the Witches or um even Catwoman,
Speaker 1: Like she actually is really good at being a bit
Speaker 1: And I kind of wish that I had seen it here.
Speaker 1: But when thing's for sure, Jared Leto he went on
Speaker 1: down to the dere Kensley School of Dialect Coaching and
Speaker 1: he brought us a brand new accent and let me
Speaker 1: tell you, I actually enjoy it. It's horrible, but I
Speaker 1: I do like the accent. Um. Okay, did you listen
Speaker 1: to the new Charlie xc X this weekend? I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's really good. I think it needs to
Speaker 1: be twice as long as it is. It is. It
Speaker 1: is an EP, it is not an album. Um, but
Speaker 1: it's really good. I I guess I hadn't spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time with the stuff that she's already released.
Speaker 1: The arena song is good, Aby is good. I really
Speaker 1: like Constant Repeat, Yuck is great. It's a really solid
Speaker 1: little album. Um, and I just it. It's just insane
Speaker 1: that it's thirty three minutes long, but I guess like
Speaker 1: it's it's all killer, no filler, and like Charlie just
Speaker 1: like didn't make the filler tracks, which you know, I
Speaker 1: guess is is what it is. I just would like
Speaker 1: a little more. I think I would too. I felt like,
Speaker 1: I mean, Yuck is also my favorite song, even though
Speaker 1: it's like pretty much a do Jaquet song. I mean,
Speaker 1: she does her kind of signature vocal distortion thing on
Speaker 1: these tracks, but not the kind of like Sophie esque hyperpop.
Speaker 1: I'm glad she's moved on from hyperpop and didn't get
Speaker 1: stuck in it because her last couple releases. While while
Speaker 1: I do think Charlie is always on the cutting edge
Speaker 1: of what's next in pop music, like it was starting
Speaker 1: to feel like she was staying at that party a
Speaker 1: little too long, and I'm happy that she has has
Speaker 1: looked forward exactly, and like I don't know, I really
Speaker 1: like I didn't really listen to new Shapes, and then
Speaker 1: I went back and I was like, oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: Caroline's like verse on this like eats and like I
Speaker 1: love the first song cry Charlie, Caroline Chris, my friend
Speaker 1: my friend Ryan was like, thoughts of trap stamp right there,
Speaker 1: some gay is going to get that it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what is next for her, what her touring.
Speaker 1: This album looks like. I did find myself thinking, like,
Speaker 1: do any straight people sent to Charlie because she feels like,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean this in a mean way, like
Speaker 1: Charlie feels like an inside joke, Like she feels like
Speaker 1: a meme that is only for gay people. It feels
Speaker 1: like music only gay people can hear. And I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some straight people who listen to Charlie,
Speaker 1: but like, but this does feel like, especially since it's
Speaker 1: ending her contract with a record label, it feels like
Speaker 1: a sellout album. And when I say sell out, I
Speaker 1: don't mean that a negative way. I actually don't mind
Speaker 1: when artists sell out sometimes. In fact, I think sometimes
Speaker 1: their music gets better. But this album really feels like
Speaker 1: it's here for bangers and for TikTok sounds. And I
Speaker 1: also think she played with that in the promotion. She
Speaker 1: like tweeted a lot of things that were like doing
Speaker 1: this for my label, that kind of stuff. Like I
Speaker 1: think she is playing into the idea of herself as
Speaker 1: like a major label pop star, and like that's part
Speaker 1: of the persona she's putting on for this album cycle, right,
Speaker 1: and that's I think maybe why the first video was
Speaker 1: a funeral, because she's like killing part of her career.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh I love that. Honestly, if if she
Speaker 1: continues to sell out, I will see her Vegas residency.
Speaker 1: I I really wonder what the rest of her career
Speaker 1: is going to look like and like, in you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years, who is the artist that Charlie xc X
Speaker 1: is going to be. I think that this could be
Speaker 1: the album where it's no longer like, you know, a
Speaker 1: gay dog whistle, or she could really you know, stay
Speaker 1: a niche artist and just like keep making really like
Speaker 1: forward thinking pop music. I guess we should wrap up
Speaker 1: with talking about drag race Um. This week was the
Speaker 1: lip Sync smack Down Extravaganza. I mean, despite being furious
Speaker 1: that no one was eliminated last week, I did think
Speaker 1: this was a fun episode. I liked all the queens
Speaker 1: having the chance to lip sync, and it just further
Speaker 1: confirmed for me that Willow Hill will win this season.
Speaker 1: I will say I don't think she necessarily like outright
Speaker 1: one that lip sync over Bosco. I think there's an
Speaker 1: argument to be made either way, Like they were both
Speaker 1: doing kind of similar things I think energetically. But she's
Speaker 1: playing the game very smart, she really is. I mean
Speaker 1: it's she's been hiding her talent from the beginning. And
Speaker 1: if I picking picking Bosco because she knew that Bosco
Speaker 1: would pick the song she wanted to, She's ing for
Speaker 1: d Chess. That is so good, And I will disagree
Speaker 1: with you slightly. I think willow Hill's lip sync is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite performances I have seen on drag
Speaker 1: Race period. It's good. It was good, but it's it
Speaker 1: was the kind of lip sync that like, it was good,
Speaker 1: but if I was watching it in a bar, I
Speaker 1: would probably like use the chance to like walk over
Speaker 1: and get a drink. Okay, so I haven't. I'm having
Speaker 1: the inverse reaction because the reason I loved it so
Speaker 1: much is because it wasn't drag Race lip singing. It
Speaker 1: was not I am a lip sync assassin. It was
Speaker 1: not like I am lip syncing for my life right now.
Speaker 1: It was I am at a bar performing for people
Speaker 1: that I love, and I'm serving you face And the
Speaker 1: only way you're going to enjoy this performance is if
Speaker 1: you look me dead in the eyes. And I feel
Speaker 1: like because she had so much performance in her eyes,
Speaker 1: and she did very minimal but very effective things with
Speaker 1: her body that we're surprising and like unexpected. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I was like, that is such a sweet
Speaker 1: spot for me. And I felt like I was at
Speaker 1: the Rosmann or something watching like one of my girls
Speaker 1: performance so straight but like with total precision. And I
Speaker 1: feel like the thing that precision is a very good
Speaker 1: word to use. Yeah, And I think the other thing
Speaker 1: is like when it comes to like drag grace lip
Speaker 1: snks in general, nine times out of ten, especially Jasmine Kennedy,
Speaker 1: you are not selling in the face. Jasmine Kennedy said,
Speaker 1: I can't stand her. I really felt for her super hard,
Speaker 1: but like she I've just never really enjoyed any of
Speaker 1: her lip syncs. I don't think she has control of
Speaker 1: her body. It's so chaos. Dick. Yeah, I think she'll
Speaker 1: be better in like five years maybe, but yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: it's not right. But the Jasmine Kennedy problem is a
Speaker 1: problem that a lot of these girls have. Is like
Speaker 1: they have the kicks and the flips and the splits
Speaker 1: and the stunts and whatever, but if you're not selling
Speaker 1: it in the eyes, your performance is like empty. And
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of these girls lose it
Speaker 1: in the eyes, which is like which sucks because they're
Speaker 1: probably it's a really nerve wracking place to perform, like
Speaker 1: it's really hard to stay focused. But like Willow went
Speaker 1: into the zone and it's so hard to really sell
Speaker 1: it in the eyes. And I think that that is
Speaker 1: like what she accomplished, and it's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: performances I've ever seen on Drive right. I do think
Speaker 1: she used the medium the best, Like she knew that
Speaker 1: she was on television and that if she did a
Speaker 1: very precise, captivating performance it would it would read really well,
Speaker 1: not only in the room but on camera. I just
Speaker 1: think she's very smart and she will win. I don't.
Speaker 1: But today we are here to discuss none other than
Speaker 1: America's next top the the reality competition show. I think
Speaker 1: like that that started it all in a way. She
Speaker 1: was that girl, America's next to Idol was that girl.
Speaker 1: I mean she was a year after American Idol, which
Speaker 1: you know, fine, but a t M that girl, and
Speaker 1: it created this like it created this wave of competition
Speaker 1: shows like it, like Project Running with a year after
Speaker 1: Drag Race was a few years after, Like so many
Speaker 1: shows used a t M as the template. I don't
Speaker 1: give Tyra Banks for credit en, yes, y'all to, but
Speaker 1: that's why I'm here. I was because Tyra Banks deserves Okay,
Speaker 1: she is all of these kids it's parents, you know
Speaker 1: that are all these ugly shows that are on TV
Speaker 1: right now? She is mother, Well she is. Let's give
Speaker 1: some context. So I watched Top Model as it was airing. Fran,
Speaker 1: you had never seen it until I kind of bullied
Speaker 1: you into using my um Hulu login because you were
Speaker 1: using the Hulu that had ads. Man, I said, I
Speaker 1: can't deal with this anymore. That is literally well, I
Speaker 1: used my friends Hulu account and he pays to not
Speaker 1: have ads, so I like to share the wealth, of course,
Speaker 1: but like I would never have a Hulu account with
Speaker 1: ads also, and also Rose would never give me a
Speaker 1: Hulu account out of the kindness of her heart. It
Speaker 1: was weird France apartment. I was like, I can't deal
Speaker 1: with that here, and it has kind of messed up
Speaker 1: my algorithm a little bit because because I will go
Speaker 1: to watch something and like it's like you already watched
Speaker 1: this week's Abbott's element Abbott Elementary and like, well, no,
Speaker 1: Fran watched it. Should I be logging in his mommy,
Speaker 1: which is the other profile. No, that's Ryan's actual mom
Speaker 1: Ryan mom. No, it's Ryan's account. That's what I'm telling you. Okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm sorry, Ryan, I'm using your account. So Fran
Speaker 1: had never seen Top Model, has only recently delved in
Speaker 1: what have you been watching since the beginning watching since
Speaker 1: the beginning season one? Adrian Curry Mary who was married
Speaker 1: to um but of the Brady Bunch. She was I
Speaker 1: forgot about one of the original I actually was thinking
Speaker 1: about this recently because, um, do you listen to who
Speaker 1: Weekly or do you know the podcast? So they were
Speaker 1: one of their callin shows. Someone asked about her and
Speaker 1: if she was still married to the Brady Bunch guys.
Speaker 1: She's not. She lives on a farm with with the
Speaker 1: guy who does the voice for like every movie trailer,
Speaker 1: Like he's like he's the guy who's like in a
Speaker 1: world where you know he like does So she's married
Speaker 1: to him and and the Brady Bunch guy makes furniture.
Speaker 1: He makes Oh, he makes the patio furniture that was
Speaker 1: used in the Megan Marco Oprah interview. That is so specific. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you have more details on this, please go listen
Speaker 1: to Who Weekly. But anyway, Adrian Curry, Yes, the first season,
Speaker 1: I was there from the beginning. I've seen it. I've
Speaker 1: seen twenty two out of the twenty four cycles. There
Speaker 1: were a couple of years where I had to dig
Speaker 1: out that is a lot of viewing it is, and
Speaker 1: then I rewatched it all during the pandemic watch seasons
Speaker 1: or do you stop at a certain I started from
Speaker 1: the beginning and went to the end, to the end,
Speaker 1: I have to admit, Okay, even though I watched from
Speaker 1: the beginning, I've only seen probably the first eight seasons,
Speaker 1: and then I did watch the reboot seasons with Rita
Speaker 1: or of course Red Alert. I mean I did as well,
Speaker 1: but but I missed I missed the like from eight on,
Speaker 1: and so I missed all the ones with Andre Leon Tally.
Speaker 1: I missed the ones where they've brought in male models
Speaker 1: less iconic, but they gave us now DeMarco, so shout
Speaker 1: out to care about um. I just for the virgins
Speaker 1: wrapping the Virgins out here. I had maybe seen one
Speaker 1: or two episodes, like as a kid, my mom and
Speaker 1: sister used to watch it, but like preparing for this episode,
Speaker 1: I've watched the first six seasons, and then to Andre
Speaker 1: Leon Tally seasons and then Jade's season as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh that's a great that's a great overview. I really
Speaker 1: wanted to watch isis is season in time, but then
Speaker 1: I was like, I actually don't want to watch her
Speaker 1: endure a bunch of transper I recently revisited it for
Speaker 1: a book I'm writing, and it's well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think season one is a great place to start or
Speaker 1: also just to talk broadly about very wacky things that
Speaker 1: come from them. Well maybe maybe the early season. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember a lot of season one. Season two
Speaker 1: is my favorite season. Iguana. You know, they can't call
Speaker 1: her iguana the whole time. So Shandy who famously cheating
Speaker 1: on her boyfriend, you had sex, Oh my god, sex
Speaker 1: the little bitch ass boyfriend on the phone. That was
Speaker 1: an amazing season. And then you Wanna you wanna the
Speaker 1: helmet and the helmet photos so good, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about the early seasons, which
Speaker 1: still actually happens and throughout um, is that the like
Speaker 1: Christian and or conservative girls that are always cast on
Speaker 1: this every every cycle has like like one or two
Speaker 1: or three of these Christian girls and they immediately become
Speaker 1: the villains of the show. Do you remember Robin Um
Speaker 1: Robin was the black one cycle one, cycle one when
Speaker 1: she was like super religious, super and she was also
Speaker 1: the plus size and she was the plus and I
Speaker 1: say plus size and plus she was a size ten,
Speaker 1: notably sex but like that she was like I remember
Speaker 1: her being there was wasn't there like drama in a
Speaker 1: challenge where like they had to pose nude or in
Speaker 1: like lingerie and she didn't want to do it because
Speaker 1: of her Christian values. But then behind the scene she
Speaker 1: had like Mr J or whatever for her. I remember
Speaker 1: Ja Manuel being like listen here, like this is you
Speaker 1: are contradicting yourself. But I also loved that, like the
Speaker 1: one who there was a girl who almost won that
Speaker 1: season who had the whole time is complaining about how
Speaker 1: she thought the show was trivial and she thought modeling
Speaker 1: was stupid whatever, but she was ostracized immediately immediately for
Speaker 1: being an atheist, which I thought was so bad as
Speaker 1: but like they literally Robin did like a prayer circle
Speaker 1: from this girl and on television and then after I think, um,
Speaker 1: I feel like the whole tea with like Robin was
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't pose nude and that was like part
Speaker 1: of elimination. And I remember Janne Stickinson being like, well,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to pose nude, you can go
Speaker 1: work at a factory or bakery or ben alight. Well
Speaker 1: that's another thing with the first couple of seasons that
Speaker 1: Jannas Dickinson was one of the judges, and she was
Speaker 1: I mean, just the amount of times that she said
Speaker 1: the word tranny, like, oh, I mean, that was one
Speaker 1: of their favorite words, like tranny, she mail like, and
Speaker 1: jan was also saying egregiously anti black things, like they're
Speaker 1: definitely egregiously the entire time. She's literally and like a
Speaker 1: neo Nazi on the entire season. She's all right, she
Speaker 1: was at the capital on Oh my God, I literally though,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just like I was, so there was
Speaker 1: nothing redeemable about na. It was entertaining though at the time.
Speaker 1: It was so entertained at the time. This woman is wild,
Speaker 1: but like I can't look away. I was, I felt
Speaker 1: I kind of I was bummed that I didn't watch
Speaker 1: it live because there's so many components of it that
Speaker 1: I would have found really entertaining. To be like a
Speaker 1: little queer kid like um getting access to this like
Speaker 1: glamorous fashion world, yes Hunt yes, like A and t M.
Speaker 1: I always say introduced me to my first to possibility
Speaker 1: models Miss j Alexander and Andre Leon Tally. It was
Speaker 1: through this show. This show is icoonic. Okay, people don't
Speaker 1: talk about it and left I know we were talking.
Speaker 1: It also is the root for like half of the
Speaker 1: memes on the internet. Actually literally so many mope but
Speaker 1: make it fashion. But there's also um I think it's
Speaker 1: and then the like the like woke versions of that
Speaker 1: like feminism but make an intersectional. It was like, okay, girl,
Speaker 1: there's in season fourteen there there's a contestant named Alaysia
Speaker 1: and there's a moment where she gets saved and you
Speaker 1: don't think she was going to get saved and she's
Speaker 1: like kind of crying and rooting her fists like this,
Speaker 1: and I was in time. I was like, that is
Speaker 1: a meme that like it had no like things that
Speaker 1: you have no idea where the girl fainting. Okay, you'll
Speaker 1: have to be more specific because many you know the
Speaker 1: girls who like who fainted them during judge. This would
Speaker 1: have been her eyes roll back. She had like a
Speaker 1: rare like you know, it's so funny. A lot exceptions
Speaker 1: for because with her, she was dismissed and she came
Speaker 1: back and they were like, oh, you're you're good. Don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. You have to worry about this challenge.
Speaker 1: But then some girls have literal medical emergencies like Danielle,
Speaker 1: like just qualified and like the doctors like, do not
Speaker 1: leave the hospital. It's against medical advice to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and she leaves to the photo's like listen, she won,
Speaker 1: and she won that season entire and Tyre always reads them.
Speaker 1: She's like, when I was a model, there's always one
Speaker 1: of those. I slept in a room with twelve other girls, okay,
Speaker 1: and they steal my stuff and they didn't like because
Speaker 1: I was black, And she loves that, Okay. As a
Speaker 1: Tyra her story, can you like set the scene for
Speaker 1: us of where Tyra was in her career when Top
Speaker 1: Model started. So Tyra had already become a major star,
Speaker 1: like a major celebrity. She had already converted that kind
Speaker 1: of model energy, particularly through Victoria's secret stuff, because allowed
Speaker 1: her to show her personality and all of that. Victoria
Speaker 1: was the culture. It was the culture at was this
Speaker 1: post kyote Ugly. This, Oh my god, I forgot that
Speaker 1: she was. I'm going to look at it. I please
Speaker 1: look it up because kyote Ugly is two thousand when
Speaker 1: the top Model start Top Model started in two thousand three.
Speaker 1: If I'm not wow, oh my god, wow post coyote Ugly,
Speaker 1: which iconic? I mean? Yes, She's my favorite thing, my
Speaker 1: favorite Thanksgiving movie. Okay, I don't know why, but I
Speaker 1: consider it a Thanksgiving movie. I see that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: see that. It gives November. Ye. Okay. So Tyra's already
Speaker 1: an anointed celeb. She's already an annointed celeb, and then
Speaker 1: she also has this just like personality that folks have
Speaker 1: loved and seen in interviews or whatnot, right, and that
Speaker 1: is what, you know, helped her get this show again.
Speaker 1: This was that like that beginning era of like good
Speaker 1: reality TV, right, the Simple Life American idol. Like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: we should do a Simple Life episode. I've never seen, really, girl,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen a lot over there for an end.
Speaker 1: It's the conceit of the show. Why we do the podcast.
Speaker 1: It was like a virgin the show where yesterday's pop
Speaker 1: calls today's cake. You know um Jay Manuel famously like
Speaker 1: the story he tells is that Tyra called him because
Speaker 1: at the time he was her makeup artist. Tyra calls
Speaker 1: him at like two o'clock in the morning, like, man,
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people get as mannequin
Speaker 1: like talking and like he thought something was wrong, like
Speaker 1: there was an emergency and like he was something there
Speaker 1: was of emergency. And Tyra literally like rattled off the
Speaker 1: entire concept for the show and she was like I
Speaker 1: have this idea for the show and like you can
Speaker 1: do the makeup and like blah blah blah, and she
Speaker 1: like spewed out the whole kind of show and like
Speaker 1: we forget that she created the show, like it's it's
Speaker 1: not like a nowadays, we have a lot of celebrities
Speaker 1: that are executive producers on things, which really only means
Speaker 1: that you collect a lot of coin for like you know,
Speaker 1: a kind of um you know, it's like a vanity title.
Speaker 1: But like Tyra was so I feel heavily involved. She
Speaker 1: made that, she made the pitch that she was super involved.
Speaker 1: And you can also tell, like even now as a
Speaker 1: lot of folks have been like revisiting the series right
Speaker 1: and calling her out for some of the foolishness. Miss
Speaker 1: Jay has done interviews, had had a whole Instagram series
Speaker 1: of interviews spilling the realty of like how these stuff
Speaker 1: came together, and he was saying the same thing. He
Speaker 1: was like Tyra Banks was like super involved, but he
Speaker 1: was like, I also super involved, Like we created these
Speaker 1: ideas out of our head, but he was like, they're
Speaker 1: also a reflection of that. The industry at that time
Speaker 1: was doing racist ship. Do you remember any like specific
Speaker 1: t that was like that like stuck out to you,
Speaker 1: either from that series or otherwise from the JS. You know,
Speaker 1: I think what it was is a lot of it
Speaker 1: was just drama around you know, different judges, personalities, different
Speaker 1: off camera issues. I don't know if y'all remember the
Speaker 1: season with was it Naima? I think it was her season.
Speaker 1: They were in somewhere in Africa, um and they had
Speaker 1: this challenge where they had these male models who were
Speaker 1: like around them and like, you know, she was felt
Speaker 1: made to feel uncomfortable or whatever. I think it was Kenya.
Speaker 1: But the key it was the girl that they dressed
Speaker 1: up as an OWLD friend because she had gained right
Speaker 1: she also became the plus size whatever. Yeah, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were like your plus size actually got a little stomach
Speaker 1: plus anyway, but they were talking. He was talking about
Speaker 1: how they were like trying to handle it and the
Speaker 1: response because again he started doing this in the pandemic
Speaker 1: when people had all these questions, but like, how could
Speaker 1: you all do that in a post me to world.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, you all recorded that and
Speaker 1: you didn't say nothing. He's like, he's like, listen, you
Speaker 1: know sometimes there are I mean, I didn't like his answer,
Speaker 1: that's my disclaimer, okay, but he was just like, listen,
Speaker 1: things happen that you all don't see. Um, and when
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, we've got to get the shot. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean he I have some quotes. Um, you know.
Speaker 1: Miss Ja noted Tyra also had bosses, but Jay Manuel said, um,
Speaker 1: people are throwing her under the bus. But I think
Speaker 1: at the same time, I can't defend her. I can't
Speaker 1: get in her head about what she meant about a
Speaker 1: lot of controversial things that happened. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: stipulate this. Everyone keeps asking who allowed that, um, and
Speaker 1: the Jays stood by and this and that. Let's be real.
Speaker 1: Almost Tyra has as she has always said in the
Speaker 1: press it was her show period, she was the host.
Speaker 1: Heerd anything that happened on the show was sanctioned by
Speaker 1: or was creative that Tyra put forward period. That is
Speaker 1: so t it's with something like that, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of I mean, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of things handled in the show that are just
Speaker 1: abhorrent and egregious. And like the multiple challenges where they
Speaker 1: had the models be different races. Yeah, almost wants the
Speaker 1: cycle like someone is meant to like it's the blackface challenge.
Speaker 1: Literally that in the second Andre Leon Tally season they
Speaker 1: do it was like Ghosties. They do a whole photoshoot
Speaker 1: around crumping actually, and then Twiggies all I've never heard
Speaker 1: of crumping before, but I don't know if they sees
Speaker 1: a clump, but it looks delightful, like it's like so
Speaker 1: so stupid. Listen, they were taking the culture and I
Speaker 1: know that's idea. Of course it was, of course it
Speaker 1: was um but yeah, I I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: that when I look back on it now, especially with
Speaker 1: something like that moment where like ken you was kind
Speaker 1: of being grabbed in a way that was like so
Speaker 1: not okay, Like it was some of these issues are
Speaker 1: handled very badly, but not in the worst way, you know,
Speaker 1: some of like some of the judges tried to stick
Speaker 1: up for her, but they ultimately were like, but you
Speaker 1: just got to deal with that, which is like not
Speaker 1: how we would treat it today. But I think that's
Speaker 1: a lot there's a lot of back and forth around
Speaker 1: like how we hold things accountable, especially when they're from
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago, and that was unfortunately the culture
Speaker 1: of the time, right, Like all of the models of
Speaker 1: the heyday have these stories about like sexual harassment or
Speaker 1: assault that they've had to deal with just as a
Speaker 1: matter of being in the industry. So it makes since
Speaker 1: that someone like a Tyra Banks or whoever else is
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes on this show with the women
Speaker 1: are like, girl, just suck it up like this, like
Speaker 1: you're about to get this contract, like you know, it
Speaker 1: was all on camera, so it went bad bad, you
Speaker 1: know how motherfucker's like used to talk right, Like I
Speaker 1: remember there was a I think in season two there
Speaker 1: was this girl who I mean, so many of the
Speaker 1: girls had eating disorders, which it's like another it's just
Speaker 1: another kind of like class of women that like are
Speaker 1: so set up to fail, like for a show like this,
Speaker 1: but like there's this girl who was like, I think
Speaker 1: she actually ended up winning the second cycle you wanna
Speaker 1: during her ghost sees like which everyone's so mean and
Speaker 1: at these ghosties, but one of the people was like,
Speaker 1: one of the people is like, yo, w on it,
Speaker 1: like you really need to work on your like your body,
Speaker 1: you need to work in your tone. And she like
Speaker 1: very quietly, was like, but I'm assised to like literally
Speaker 1: like and no one liked and when it campt saddest
Speaker 1: thing I had ever heard, and it and it like
Speaker 1: makes it worse than GM's Dickinson is calling literally calling
Speaker 1: them fatty. Literally literally literally every single one, even the
Speaker 1: smallest folks. The body fascism never stopped from her. I
Speaker 1: I literally there were so few redeeming Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just hate Jannas Dickinson. She made great TV the
Speaker 1: right Let's say that every time she was on my TV,
Speaker 1: I was watching she had her own reality show. She
Speaker 1: did it was like the Janice Dickinson modeling agents on
Speaker 1: like oxygen because there were there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people have tried to replicate the Formula Top model. There
Speaker 1: was a Bravo modeling show for like a one season. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess janesis show. What other modeling reality shows out there?
Speaker 1: I mean the very of the face, which I love.
Speaker 1: Girl Campbells another person who's just great. These older models,
Speaker 1: they're just great TV. They know what they're doing. Naomi
Speaker 1: campbell Is. I mean, the show is not as good
Speaker 1: as America's Next a Model, but Naomi as a TV
Speaker 1: personality is on par with Tira pointblank period in a
Speaker 1: completely different way, way, more erratic way. Angry are like
Speaker 1: just nonsert, like the rate, like these women are like
Speaker 1: on sets and she's screaming, Well, this is the woman
Speaker 1: who famously threw her phone at her assistant. So oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she has thrown many more phones off the record,
Speaker 1: probably thrown a lot of things. Now she's just got
Speaker 1: it in the contract that you just expected actually though, Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean Janice. Uh. The one moment that
Speaker 1: did make me I have a really hard time with Jannis.
Speaker 1: I was like, actually emotionally affected watching her just be
Speaker 1: so horrible. Um. But one of the moments that did
Speaker 1: stick out to me was during Jade's season. Um, there's
Speaker 1: a contest named Gina who is like kind of struggling.
Speaker 1: She was the only Asian model, like, and she was
Speaker 1: being bullied by Jade and Jay we have to talk about.
Speaker 1: But like Janice, who had already been ousted from the
Speaker 1: show because her entire basically got into a fight about
Speaker 1: plus size models. From what I understand, I think the
Speaker 1: t is that like Jane's just point blank period didn't
Speaker 1: want plus size models on the show, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's important to me or whatever, among other agreements, and
Speaker 1: then she was fired from the show. She came back
Speaker 1: for occasional cameos and she took these girls out for
Speaker 1: dinner and like no, like I think probably fed by
Speaker 1: the producers knowing that they like Jade and this girl
Speaker 1: Gina were like fighting. Was like Gina, like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Telling me? And Gina was like I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you what She was like
Speaker 1: very resistant, and Janice was like, no, you have to
Speaker 1: fucking tell like literally bullied her into telling her. And
Speaker 1: then Gina was like, okay, well it's Jade, Like she
Speaker 1: is like really mean to me, and Janice is like,
Speaker 1: we never rat out our sisters, and she literally says
Speaker 1: to Gina, says to this child she says, you're dead
Speaker 1: to me, bitch buzz and I was like, such such good.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because these such a good. A lot
Speaker 1: of these girls are like like they even if they're
Speaker 1: like twenty one, they feel like they're fifteen. Like they
Speaker 1: are all so yeah, they are also and for and
Speaker 1: these judges treat them like they're five. They want to
Speaker 1: shake them up. They're like, listen, you wanted this, you
Speaker 1: want to be in this business. I'm going to treat
Speaker 1: you like But you know, some of the girls came
Speaker 1: in with very strong personalities, like my absolute favorite contestant
Speaker 1: of all time, ferrand with the walk and with the tips,
Speaker 1: which I do want to was was a contestant from
Speaker 1: cycle six, and she came in with Ferranda's tips for
Speaker 1: successful interaction, which she posted around the house. Here just here,
Speaker 1: just a few of them. Tips for successful interaction. Number one,
Speaker 1: I will treat you in a way that is identical
Speaker 1: to or worse than the way you treat me reciprocity.
Speaker 1: Number two, I am the best person to discuss me
Speaker 1: with Queen. Three. If you need anything other than emergency items,
Speaker 1: please do not ask me. That's very you, honestly. Number
Speaker 1: four stay out of my personal business unless I invite
Speaker 1: you in Oh my God. They went to Thailand for
Speaker 1: this season, and one of my favorite Frondo moments again
Speaker 1: making these girls do things that are not in their
Speaker 1: uncultural wheelhouse. They all had to do traditional Thai dance,
Speaker 1: and like it was all about like mimicking very precise
Speaker 1: movements and all like there were four girls left, I think,
Speaker 1: and all three of the girls like try to do
Speaker 1: this very precise tight ends and Franda gets up there
Speaker 1: and abandons all of the Korea. It's in front of
Speaker 1: a live audience and front to get the loudest applause
Speaker 1: traditional time. It was wild, but it was super ientertated
Speaker 1: with the resurgence of the Top Model in the pandemic,
Speaker 1: they've been doing these zoom interviews with folks and talking.
Speaker 1: I've seen some of the girls on TikTok's I forget
Speaker 1: what her name was, but she won one of the
Speaker 1: All Star seasons and she was talking about how they
Speaker 1: like gossl at her, and I mean, I think there's
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of trauma around Top Model
Speaker 1: for everyone of them. Yeah. Danny Danielle, who was the
Speaker 1: season they went to Thailand, she did this whole interview
Speaker 1: because folks were upset that Tyra and the judges made
Speaker 1: her closer gap all right, right and had surgery. Um,
Speaker 1: And so she did this whole Instagram live thing like
Speaker 1: clearing the air and like being great, super grateful for
Speaker 1: it or whatever she is that that's what she said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was like, I was super grateful for it. She
Speaker 1: was like, could I have had a career with my
Speaker 1: big gap that big? She's like maybe, but like she's like,
Speaker 1: life is really good for me right now. And I
Speaker 1: closed my I closed my gap a little, and I
Speaker 1: won the competition. She did win, and she was so incredible.
Speaker 1: But even after she closed her gap, they were like,
Speaker 1: well your accent, honey, and they were like dragging her
Speaker 1: for her app and it's like, but yeah, um, oh god,
Speaker 1: I feel like um. Also from these early seasons, so
Speaker 1: I watch so Tiffany. Of course we have to get
Speaker 1: to Tiffany. Tiffany was in Triumphs for season three and
Speaker 1: then made it to the cycle four or whatever, which
Speaker 1: I didn't realize, but like watching the third and then
Speaker 1: the fourth cycles like in succession and knowing the legacy
Speaker 1: of Tiffany, it felt like the hero's journey. It was
Speaker 1: like Joseph camp Bowl level like epic of like, what
Speaker 1: when was this going to happen to Tiffany and under
Speaker 1: what circumstances? Because I actually didn't know the context, and
Speaker 1: it's crazy, what like the reason that for this to
Speaker 1: be the thing that Tyra blew up about. I'm really
Speaker 1: curious as to like what was going on behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: because what Tyra was mad about was so was such
Speaker 1: a non issue, which was that she felt that Tiffany
Speaker 1: after being fired, after being like, you know, dismissed from
Speaker 1: the show, was not sad enough. But they literally made
Speaker 1: her go to They made her go to Anger Management
Speaker 1: after cycle three because she got into a bar fight
Speaker 1: with some literal racist do you remember this. They were
Speaker 1: at Barney's Beanery and some racist woman like throw a
Speaker 1: bottle at her, and because she tried to defend herself,
Speaker 1: they were like, you have to go to Anger Management
Speaker 1: or something like that. And so she comes back the
Speaker 1: show and Tyra's like mad at her for not expressing emotions,
Speaker 1: of which he's gone to like quote unquote treatment to
Speaker 1: like contain her emotion. It was but it was great TV,
Speaker 1: and I will say it was incredible, excellent TV. And
Speaker 1: I also have just say also from that season, there's
Speaker 1: a moment where Tiffany and Brandy they were like two
Speaker 1: little friends. They were two friends that were like in
Speaker 1: season four. And then there's another contestant that like comes
Speaker 1: out as like by um in in the in the
Speaker 1: in the during the season. Yeah, the weird one who
Speaker 1: had the bacteria, the flesh eating bacteria. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the flesh eating and she was like a little was
Speaker 1: going on on the show. And I just remember like
Speaker 1: she basically was like one on one with another girl
Speaker 1: in there in the private and the privacy quote unquote
Speaker 1: of her bedroom, telling this girl like, I think the
Speaker 1: reason I've been so crazy lately is like I have
Speaker 1: a secret and I'm by. And then it pans over
Speaker 1: to Tiffany and Brandy behind the door listening, and they
Speaker 1: turned to each other and she says like to this girl,
Speaker 1: like I'm by, and Tiffany turns to I'm the other girl.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, she's gay. And then they
Speaker 1: walked into the room and they were like we love
Speaker 1: you so much, like we support like it's this that
Speaker 1: was so cute. It was so cute. My favorite part
Speaker 1: of every season is obviously episode three the makeover. There
Speaker 1: used to be a YouTube compilation that was just every
Speaker 1: makeover on Top and I could definitely watch that. I
Speaker 1: mean the tears, the tears, but like sometimes they were
Speaker 1: justified because some of those makeovers were whack. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but the majority of the tears were the girls who
Speaker 1: had long hair, who felt like they would look like
Speaker 1: a boy when they cut their hair off, when they
Speaker 1: when they got the Mia Pharoh and Roseberry's baby special
Speaker 1: every every seasvery season, and the like this is gonna
Speaker 1: make you so edgy, this is gonna make you so
Speaker 1: mod and like the girls just like it's always really
Speaker 1: funny when someone gets a very dramatic makeover and then
Speaker 1: gets sent home that episode. Now you have to leader
Speaker 1: and let them people cut your hair. Almost every season
Speaker 1: somebody they change somebody's hair this way and tire was like,
Speaker 1: that's not what I asked for. You gotta go do
Speaker 1: it again. Or there was a season where one of
Speaker 1: the black girls got this like really painful we've put
Speaker 1: in and the entire was like, that's not what I wanted.
Speaker 1: So she had to go back and they had to
Speaker 1: take it out and do it all over again, and
Speaker 1: they're always having white people. Do these like black women's hair,
Speaker 1: especially in the early season. Do you have any favorite
Speaker 1: contestants and or like wacky moments from earlier seasons. Um,
Speaker 1: My favorite contestant of all time is Eva the Diva
Speaker 1: pigfurt Um that season three, she was amazing great television
Speaker 1: three is a close second. But I love the drama, okay,
Speaker 1: I love the girls. You know when somebody ate breeze
Speaker 1: uh food, Oh my god, and she was so upset
Speaker 1: about it. I was like, yes, that's what I like. Okay.
Speaker 1: There was another there was another black girl who was queer. Um.
Speaker 1: I forget which season, maybe season three, um, who just
Speaker 1: like had an attitude the entire time. She was ball headed,
Speaker 1: dark skin. I was like, yes, girl, just be a
Speaker 1: bit why. She was the first lesbian on the show,
Speaker 1: and I remember when this bye girl came through, she
Speaker 1: was like, I just want to be the first lesbian
Speaker 1: America's next to mine. I was like she was. There
Speaker 1: was a lesbian cycle wything. Do you have any favorite challenges? Oh,
Speaker 1: favorite challenges? I know what mine is. My favorite challenge
Speaker 1: is season three with the jewelry beauty shot with the
Speaker 1: hands um. And that's my favorite shoe of all because
Speaker 1: the drama that Eva gave us that episode, because obviously
Speaker 1: you gotta spider a girl. I want to face like
Speaker 1: I get a girl. Um. But that was just so wonderful.
Speaker 1: The photos for all of the girls were gorgeous. I
Speaker 1: was like, this, this is this is modeling, frand this
Speaker 1: is modeling. My favorite photo shoot was the Seven Deadly
Speaker 1: Sins in cycle four where they were in the coffin
Speaker 1: and they made the girl who's best friend best friend
Speaker 1: had just died, get into the coffin. But she was
Speaker 1: so good she didn't win the challenge, but that is
Speaker 1: I feel like that that photo like recirculates like every
Speaker 1: you know, every like nine months on Twitter. Um, it's
Speaker 1: so good. But they also that was another one with
Speaker 1: r Kenya where they made her be gluttony but all
Speaker 1: the food and she was eating a burger and I
Speaker 1: think and I think, um, someone said she looked like
Speaker 1: a drag queen. Yeah, oh they were that was like
Speaker 1: that was their favorite. Yeah, she's giving drag queen. But
Speaker 1: sometimes it was a compliment and other times it wasn't. No,
Speaker 1: it was always like you look like a man. It
Speaker 1: was it was they said that about They kept calling
Speaker 1: Jade to drag queen, but they would often say it
Speaker 1: in like like as a positive thing, but that the
Speaker 1: show really morphs and is inconsistent and how it like
Speaker 1: compliments people because some women are rewarded for being skinny
Speaker 1: and some women are punished for being skinny, and some
Speaker 1: women are you know, it's it's like crazy, It didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense, but it was great television keep saying, okay,
Speaker 1: there is the season fourteen has obviously the challenge where
Speaker 1: they have to they go to New Zealand and post
Speaker 1: in front of the hobbiton this happened, So they go
Speaker 1: to the Shire Girl. But that's the same season where
Speaker 1: these girls walk down a runway where there's a huge
Speaker 1: swinging pendulum in front of them that it's like as
Speaker 1: if they're in the fucking Temple of Doom. The time
Speaker 1: it perfectly so you don't get knocked over, and none
Speaker 1: of the girls could do it, like none of the
Speaker 1: girls had like rhythm, Oh my god. Um yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: just any challenge where the girls have to read off
Speaker 1: of a card or act like like Jade's cover Girl commercials.
Speaker 1: If you have never seen Jade doing for Cover Girl commercial.
Speaker 1: Please please go watch it. It is so iconic, as
Speaker 1: is like almost everything Jade did the whole season. That
Speaker 1: was this one of the acting challenges. It's my favorite
Speaker 1: Tyra mal in existence is um. There's like a girl
Speaker 1: in the confessional and she goes um. So we got
Speaker 1: a Tyra mail today that said prepare to die. Like
Speaker 1: that was it. But they were going to an acting
Speaker 1: challenge where they had to pretend to die or something
Speaker 1: with a really famous actor. I can't remember his name,
Speaker 1: he can't have he can't he he was so he
Speaker 1: was so famous Tyram. It was always like a black
Speaker 1: act like it was Ko or like that's Hey Digs
Speaker 1: or like it was it was Diggs or shamar More.
Speaker 1: It was always that type of black actor that she
Speaker 1: would bring to be there, you know, scenemate for those
Speaker 1: types of chance. I'm always I'm very interested in like
Speaker 1: who tires friends are, because like and like who who
Speaker 1: she inducts into the show, because to put someone like
Speaker 1: miss j in this show in two thousand three is radical,
Speaker 1: Like and I don't even I don't even say that
Speaker 1: with any facetiousness. And it's like, I think, because no one,
Speaker 1: how have people hadn't really heard of Miss J outside
Speaker 1: of the industry. Yeah, outside of the industry, and here
Speaker 1: like Miss J is like like in his own clothes,
Speaker 1: you know, Like and I thought that that was like
Speaker 1: so amazing because she knew that he was the best
Speaker 1: at what he did, and he was he really was
Speaker 1: still is. Some would say, so like I love Miss J.
Speaker 1: You know, I could talk about that one long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk talk to us about Miss J. Jason meant amazing,
Speaker 1: you know, because again it was through top model that
Speaker 1: I saw this like black man who was like super effeminate,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, there's something there that's like
Speaker 1: resonating with me and my experience. Um and so, and
Speaker 1: the fact that ms J was just like themselves, like
Speaker 1: it was one of one. You could tell no one
Speaker 1: else had that personality. They were like fully in themselves
Speaker 1: and like knew their power and they knew that when
Speaker 1: they walked in the room, you were paying attention, right,
Speaker 1: and like that's what I try to embody today, right,
Speaker 1: um and so, like Miss J was everything. And to
Speaker 1: see them having already been like super successful in the
Speaker 1: industry as some as a model themselves, and then as
Speaker 1: somebody who was teaching, Naomi teaching, Tira teaching, camor Ley Simmons,
Speaker 1: UM and all of the girls of the time. Transition
Speaker 1: that into this personality media personality moment that he currently has. Amazing.
Speaker 1: It's so well deserved, deserved, beyond for sure. Did ms
Speaker 1: stay till the very end? Um, No, miss j Um.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say they had a falling out,
Speaker 1: but they weren't asked back. You know, when they were
Speaker 1: doing the revamping, Um, this is around the red or
Speaker 1: us um time but like short for it, Um, when
Speaker 1: they were just like trying to cycle in new talent.
Speaker 1: They were doing stupid stuff like this was the British invasion,
Speaker 1: this was the petite cycle, this was the it was.
Speaker 1: It was like everybody was sure, everyone was everyone was
Speaker 1: Christian China, like it was a thing. Um. Like this
Speaker 1: is before they started doing guys um on the show, UM,
Speaker 1: which those seasons were interesting. There were three of them,
Speaker 1: mightfully um three too many three too many um in
Speaker 1: two guys one not Marco and Keith whatever his name. Um,
Speaker 1: he's now got his you know penis print all over
Speaker 1: the internet. Watch penis print for what you know. He's
Speaker 1: just like one of those thirst trappers on Instagram like
Speaker 1: the game. I thought you meant that he got his
Speaker 1: like penis like molded and sold. He was, listen, you
Speaker 1: got a diversify your income these days, Well let's get
Speaker 1: the corporate card out and by what listen? Um. I
Speaker 1: also had no idea that Raja did all the makeup.
Speaker 1: Raja was the makeup artist for the first yes, many
Speaker 1: seasons it was. Yeah, it was a long time, and
Speaker 1: she was featured like very often, and I think ru
Speaker 1: saw didn't Rue or someone from his camp see her
Speaker 1: on ANTM and was like, you need to be on
Speaker 1: Drag Race. I think, well, there was an episode where
Speaker 1: she did drags Dira. Oh my god. Yeah, I forgot
Speaker 1: about that, and she did look like Tyra. She did well.
Speaker 1: They were best friends right at a point, um, which
Speaker 1: is why Roger did Tyra for Drag Race for Snatch Game.
Speaker 1: Oh and one, I believe I forgot about that. Wow.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Tyra, did you watch the Tyra Banks Show,
Speaker 1: the talk show? Yeah, I mean I saw like the
Speaker 1: Beyonce interview that she did, which is you know, iconic
Speaker 1: moment in in in television history. Um, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: was watching it, but I wasn't like it wasn't like
Speaker 1: appointment television. It was for me. I there was a
Speaker 1: semester in college where I made my schedule around the
Speaker 1: need to be at home and watch Tyra every day.
Speaker 1: It was it was my roommate, and I would watch
Speaker 1: it every afternoon. I was obsessed. What did you love
Speaker 1: about it? Just that she was like so cuckoo and
Speaker 1: like wacky and like kind of bad at being a
Speaker 1: talk show host, but like that's what made her so
Speaker 1: good at and like I loved the like the like
Speaker 1: weird nothing episodes even more than the ones where she
Speaker 1: had really good guests. Like one of my favorite episodes
Speaker 1: is the one where she has the woman on who
Speaker 1: married the Eiffel Tower. Oh my god, truly iconic. Also
Speaker 1: her interview with Naomi where she's like, she's like, why
Speaker 1: did you hate me so much? My name was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even think of you. You know, I caught it.
Speaker 1: There were great moments on that TV show. Remember the
Speaker 1: one where she I think she had like was it
Speaker 1: a cat scan or something on the show to prove
Speaker 1: that her breasts were real. There was another one where
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, kiss my fat ass, or
Speaker 1: when she um was a homeless person for a dame
Speaker 1: when she was a fat person, which inspired the challenge
Speaker 1: that first introduced us to isis on America's Next Top Model? What? Yes,
Speaker 1: that is the reason why, because iis initial introduction is
Speaker 1: in the background on the previous season that she was
Speaker 1: on because they did a homeless fashion shoe and they
Speaker 1: had real people experiencing homelessness, which Isis was. At the time,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize and they kept saying, who's that hero
Speaker 1: in the background because she's serving I survey And then
Speaker 1: it became this whole big deal because she was trans
Speaker 1: and they were like, it was a lot. And then
Speaker 1: of course get the fag off the tv um. Something
Speaker 1: that Tyra does so well that flourished in ant him
Speaker 1: and then you know, transcended in her talk show was
Speaker 1: her innate ability to uncover what people's greatest fears are
Speaker 1: and then use them against them. Yes, you can tell
Speaker 1: that Tyra either loved fear factor or invented fear factor.
Speaker 1: Like shout out to the producers. They were working. They
Speaker 1: were working between like Tarantula us and like suspending these
Speaker 1: girls at like great heights over like invisible cat looks
Speaker 1: and like all this different stuff. But there's the only
Speaker 1: episode of Tyra that I remember seeing as a kid
Speaker 1: was an episode where she talks about the greatest fears
Speaker 1: and she has all these like kind of everyday people
Speaker 1: come on and say, oh, my greatest fear is so,
Speaker 1: and so she says, like, let's say, my greatest fear
Speaker 1: is cats, and she'd bring out like ten. Yeah. There
Speaker 1: was this one girl who her greatest fear was like
Speaker 1: pennies and loose change, and so Tyra put like a
Speaker 1: Rolex watch at the bottom of like a tub of
Speaker 1: pennies and she's like, if you want to watch, you
Speaker 1: have to get it. And this girl had like this
Speaker 1: long acrylic manicure and she's like just shuffling away pennies
Speaker 1: with like her nail. Tyra, It's so funny, like her
Speaker 1: getting cast in life size as this like which I've
Speaker 1: never seen Iconic the original and the sequel. Literally, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the sequel. But isn't the sequel a Christmas movie? Yes?
Speaker 1: I thought it was, like I think that the movie
Speaker 1: it's like Thanksgiving. It's a Thanksgiving movie. Like casting her
Speaker 1: as like a deranged and naive plastic doll like typecast
Speaker 1: Like literally she is like and I'm not even like
Speaker 1: she's literally like the Barbie of our generation, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like she she encompassed, she is, she's
Speaker 1: she is every woman in America's Next Time and now she's,
Speaker 1: um what is she? She judges she's dancing with Apparently
Speaker 1: she's not very good. Have you guys watched it? No? No,
Speaker 1: but like of course she's not good. She also did
Speaker 1: America's Got Talent as well, and he wasn't good at
Speaker 1: that either, Like that's not her thing where because like
Speaker 1: she's she's got She's got a lot of personality that
Speaker 1: she does. I'm still waiting for Model land O tell
Speaker 1: us about the park. It was supposed to be a
Speaker 1: theme park, right, and because it was based off of
Speaker 1: a book like any she wrote when she wrote it,
Speaker 1: allegedly her name's on the cover. Um, but yeah, she
Speaker 1: has this whole world. She's also has now a isn't
Speaker 1: it like an app? Like a game? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Is it like Kim Kardashian Hollywood? Yeah, it's like one
Speaker 1: of those. And it was like a huge deal. I
Speaker 1: imagine that. Yeah, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure she's
Speaker 1: got lots of irons in the fire. What do you
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a lot because she's also got an
Speaker 1: ice cream store called Smiles Cream, Great Santa Monica, your kid.
Speaker 1: I'm fairly sure this was a story that I covered
Speaker 1: on one a day. Tyra banks Is net worth is
Speaker 1: estimated to be ninety million. It should be I think
Speaker 1: that's how I think that's a little high. I don't know.
Speaker 1: She is a mobile bankable productions are I feel like
Speaker 1: she also has an expensive lifestyle. I'm sure she does,
Speaker 1: you know, but still, and she's got that kid. Now
Speaker 1: she's probably reporting net losses. But my cream, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't know she got she got? She's always working.
Speaker 1: Can you smile? I mean, can anyone really smile other
Speaker 1: than Tyra? I don't think. I mean I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm actually learning about modeling and how to move my
Speaker 1: body by watching the show. Like there's so many things
Speaker 1: Where'm like, oh, it's like you need all your lettings out,
Speaker 1: you know, like even when you look it feels uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it looks you want the eye to go.
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be straight lines, you know.
Speaker 1: I also felt like Tyro was kind of I feel
Speaker 1: like Tyra was the only judge that, despite giving also
Speaker 1: deranged and unfair feedback, gave the most constructive feedback and
Speaker 1: was often right about like modeling things, where like Janis
Speaker 1: was just like, you're fat and ugly, and Nigel Barker
Speaker 1: was like I want to I would, I would to
Speaker 1: suck the lin from between listen, Okay, I just couldn't
Speaker 1: get it. Absolutely still today, yesterday, today, tomorrow. No, that's I.
Speaker 1: I do not endorse Janice and Nigel do. Both have
Speaker 1: virtually no constructive criticism, virtually no authority on literally anything,
Speaker 1: and offer their opinions on every and to me like
Speaker 1: Nigel is as charmless as like honestly like Jeffrey Bower
Speaker 1: Chapman and Drag Race Canada like he was just sub
Speaker 1: I thought he was so horrible on top of being
Speaker 1: kind of a predator. Would drag Grace even exists without
Speaker 1: Top Model? I don't think it would literally literally would?
Speaker 1: I mean, what is the legacy of Top Model? Top
Speaker 1: Top Model is the mother of so much of what
Speaker 1: you see on TV. Right, Like, this was part of
Speaker 1: an era and it was one of the biggest shows
Speaker 1: on TV at a time, right, which is a lot
Speaker 1: to say when you're competing with the American Idols, which
Speaker 1: was also huge right in those first six or those years.
Speaker 1: Um and so now I think the love is blinds
Speaker 1: of the world can look and take something from took
Speaker 1: something from a top model, your project Runways, your next
Speaker 1: in fashions, your like all of these like reality competition shows,
Speaker 1: particularly the ones that have people like living together as
Speaker 1: well in that aspect you're making the bands. All of
Speaker 1: that goes back to bank. That is one thing I've
Speaker 1: always wished was part of Drag Race was them living together.
Speaker 1: And I do kind of wish I would love that
Speaker 1: would see well, I would love to see more drag
Speaker 1: content that's not um that is yeah, that is not
Speaker 1: a competition, Like it would be so fun to have
Speaker 1: like a drag queen. Real World. Yeah, that show is
Speaker 1: going to be on TV for a long time. They're
Speaker 1: going to have to figure out a way to reinvent it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the next iteration is like the coel you
Speaker 1: get to see the queen's living to the unreal world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the realness world, the realness world watching America's Next Top Model,
Speaker 1: even though you know the ja'son Tyra are so like
Speaker 1: untouchable in terms of like a judges panel has actually
Speaker 1: made me appreciate like Ru and Michelle and Ross and
Speaker 1: Carson like a lot more because I think that there,
Speaker 1: I think that what they just to like compare a
Speaker 1: little bit, like I do think that, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously what they do is so singular and amazing, but
Speaker 1: there is like a genuine interest in like the drag
Speaker 1: Queen's exceeding. You know that each of the judges like
Speaker 1: kind of are invested in and like want them to
Speaker 1: be better where America's next time model just because I
Speaker 1: mean I don't necessarily blame them entirely, like that's the
Speaker 1: state of reality TV at the time, but like they
Speaker 1: more so reveled off of kind of really distorted ideas
Speaker 1: about the modeling industry and like exaggerated and provoked these
Speaker 1: girls by kind of using these like crazy like things
Speaker 1: that they were like, well this happened to me. I
Speaker 1: had to post with the live crocodile, So now you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, um like it I think that,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I'm being so serious about the
Speaker 1: show and it was like widely entertaining, but like it's
Speaker 1: so funny like that there's such a it is there's
Speaker 1: such an unprecedented like level of like gaslighting and maneuvering
Speaker 1: that production and the judges had to do in order
Speaker 1: to convince all these girls that this was completely normal,
Speaker 1: like and that they actually get something out of it
Speaker 1: that they would get because like, I don't think the
Speaker 1: prize that was offered in Top Model was like all
Speaker 1: that amazing, like guess getting a contract. It seemed amazing,
Speaker 1: But I think what they were promising them more than anything,
Speaker 1: And I think what sets it apart, what sets it
Speaker 1: apart from a lot of other reality competitions is they
Speaker 1: were offering the models and even the ones who didn't win, careers,
Speaker 1: Whereas a lot of these other reality TV shows it
Speaker 1: was either it was like you won and that was
Speaker 1: kind of it, like you got whatever the prize was
Speaker 1: and that was it. With Top Model, it was we're
Speaker 1: giving you and like the tools to be a working model. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's another thing, right, like that Top Model came
Speaker 1: at a time where they like the tangible things that
Speaker 1: you could get from it, Like the fashion industry at
Speaker 1: that time was this like exclusive type place. You didn't
Speaker 1: know how to get your your foot in the door.
Speaker 1: If you're in Idaho, and you want a model, right.
Speaker 1: Top Model kind of was that entry way for a
Speaker 1: lot of girls to get that first contract or even
Speaker 1: just to get some experience taking some photos, like legitimately right,
Speaker 1: because a lot of the girls didn't have any experience.
Speaker 1: And then when drag Race came around, and now the
Speaker 1: current iteration of drag Race, like there's there's such like
Speaker 1: a um a marketing commodities world, merchandizing world around the
Speaker 1: show where like I feel like you you have to
Speaker 1: be a little bit more aware of of shit, right
Speaker 1: because your career. You can be on one episode of
Speaker 1: Drag Race and go on to have a really amazing career.
Speaker 1: You couldn't be on one episode of Top Model and
Speaker 1: go on to have a great career. And you can't
Speaker 1: come in. You can't come into drag Race though um unfinished.
Speaker 1: You can't come in without knowing what you're doing. And
Speaker 1: on Top Model you could. You people would come in
Speaker 1: and they would teach you how to walk, they would
Speaker 1: give you a makeover, they would teach you how to pose.
Speaker 1: Like you know, there was as abusive I think as
Speaker 1: it was definitely like it was like a modeling boot camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, And that was like her imagination of the
Speaker 1: show like Tyro's and I totally agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think that you know, as much as we talk about
Speaker 1: it now and the way that we cancel Tyra like
Speaker 1: every five years or whatever, it's like she really did
Speaker 1: want Like I think Tyra thought she was helping nine
Speaker 1: times out of tack. Absolutely she was helping in a
Speaker 1: really weird, problematic way, Like she was replicating a lot
Speaker 1: of the harm, right that she experienced in the form
Speaker 1: of these challenges. But like that was the industry, right,
Speaker 1: It was that traumatic. It was that traumatic, and so
Speaker 1: like it's a weird way to say, but like I
Speaker 1: think she thought that she was doing them a favor.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the girls would say,
Speaker 1: you know what it was like today post trauma, it
Speaker 1: was a ship show. But like I learned some things
Speaker 1: that I needed to learn in that that shitty situation
Speaker 1: that like helped me navigate this industry in the ways
Speaker 1: that like we're better, right, Like it's really weird and
Speaker 1: complex and complicated, um, but like I think that's how
Speaker 1: we should like look at the show and look at
Speaker 1: Tyra in the first place. Is like it's complicated totally,
Speaker 1: and to what you said earlier about how like Tyra
Speaker 1: had bosses too, Like she's gone on record to talk
Speaker 1: about how she had to fight to get plus size
Speaker 1: models or fight to get you know, certain kinds of
Speaker 1: representation on the show against the will of like her executives.
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, it's I think if
Speaker 1: we were to make if we were to you know,
Speaker 1: reboot the show today, which like you know, they want
Speaker 1: to reboot everything, so it might not be that far.
Speaker 1: They've rebooted this twice already, Yes, exactly exactly. It's like
Speaker 1: who will the judge be next time? Who will the
Speaker 1: host be naming? But they would never tire would never
Speaker 1: think I think it's time for Tira to come back.
Speaker 1: I would do well, you know, she came back for
Speaker 1: like the last two seasons or something like that after
Speaker 1: Rita Aura. But it was they were trying to make
Speaker 1: it too modern to like it was. It wasn't working. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to woke. It was really weird because
Speaker 1: it it became very social media heavy, so it was
Speaker 1: like you had to take your your selfees was like
Speaker 1: part of it. It was really Brian Boy was like
Speaker 1: the social media like representative or whatever. It was really
Speaker 1: interesting times to say that. Well, I guess now, like
Speaker 1: what would even how would it even work? Because modeling
Speaker 1: has changed so much. You know, I'm not here for
Speaker 1: like the woke of occasion of like most reboots, Like
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, especially with like the end
Speaker 1: just like that of it all and things like that.
Speaker 1: But I do think that, you know, if the former
Speaker 1: iteration of like a and yeah kind of like profits
Speaker 1: off of and like corrupts, what are the worst parts
Speaker 1: of the modeling industry? I do think that there's a
Speaker 1: seamless way to instead like have it be like to
Speaker 1: highlight the industry's shortcomings and to like tell these girls
Speaker 1: that it's like something that you have to go through,
Speaker 1: but it's still it's like normal, Like there there was
Speaker 1: there was a way that Tyra could have affected change
Speaker 1: or could affect change, as opposed to just upholding existing
Speaker 1: terrible things about the industry, you know what I mean. Um,
Speaker 1: but I mean the industry still is that terrible. I
Speaker 1: mean the guy because I think I think that she
Speaker 1: thought and she probably would still feel like she did
Speaker 1: effect change, right, because like it was it was hard
Speaker 1: and it was traumatic, and you know, like but I
Speaker 1: remember the bullshit that they put Takara through in season
Speaker 1: three as like the first real big girl right on
Speaker 1: the show. And then to see was I think with
Speaker 1: Psycho ten was Whitney who was the first and only
Speaker 1: plus size winner of Drag Race, Drag Race of Top Model,
Speaker 1: which I mean one and the same, Yeah, I here
Speaker 1: you go. Um. But like there there were instances where
Speaker 1: different types of beauties were featured on the show. Um,
Speaker 1: and some of them when we look at them today
Speaker 1: were like eel, that's disgusting. Like with Isis, for example,
Speaker 1: all of the ship around her is like um. But
Speaker 1: you know, as times have changed, the show try to change.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever get another Top Model. I
Speaker 1: don't think we need that. I don't I don't want that. Um.
Speaker 1: But for what it was and what it did, I
Speaker 1: do think that it you know, it made some shifts,
Speaker 1: it did something. It was and very bad, very bad. UM.
Speaker 1: So Car is also a really good example of like
Speaker 1: how the women who really did win the show were
Speaker 1: the ones that could try and come about out of
Speaker 1: it as untraumatized as possible. And to Car was one
Speaker 1: of those women that just like refused to be gas
Speaker 1: like I think Brando was one of I think Jade
Speaker 1: was kind of like that, like like people. I think
Speaker 1: actually Tiffany was one of those girls too, because like
Speaker 1: there's this there's a challenge during her season where they're
Speaker 1: doing they have to do this shoot as like a
Speaker 1: tennis player, and they tell the photographer to be as
Speaker 1: mean to the girls as possible to kind of show
Speaker 1: them that they're always going to deal with assholes. And
Speaker 1: Tiffany was the only one that was like, you're being
Speaker 1: an asshole, you know. Like so like the girls that
Speaker 1: could say like, wait, this isn't reality, like there were
Speaker 1: there were girls who said I'm doing this on my turn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Danielle to like she refused to close her gap
Speaker 1: at first. She did, she didn't, you know she I
Speaker 1: think that was like kind of effective, but she did.
Speaker 1: She did close eventually. Yeah, but listen, I'm in this competition.
Speaker 1: It's free dental. Its free dental, you know, a free dental,
Speaker 1: and like a like a free like Sally Hershberger haircut
Speaker 1: girl I would do and I would have a spider
Speaker 1: on my face for a sallyber cut. Oh yeah, you could.
Speaker 1: You could put me in a grave and dress me
Speaker 1: up a clown and I would go in a grave
Speaker 1: just with not even for that's actually one of my
Speaker 1: top like sexual fantasies is to have sex in an
Speaker 1: open grave. That that track, So like okay, now, I
Speaker 1: think I think the thing that's maybe freshest on Virgin's
Speaker 1: minds are people that consume antim is like every like
Speaker 1: I feel like you are probably have bared witness to
Speaker 1: every iteration of it. But like every five years we
Speaker 1: canceled Tyra, but like this most recent cancelation was like
Speaker 1: very loud and happened to think during the pandemic because
Speaker 1: I think the show was on Hulu or something, and
Speaker 1: Tyra tweeted an apology that was not very effective. She said,
Speaker 1: we messed up. Yeah, yeah, um. But then she I
Speaker 1: was actually like shockingly moved by a YouTube apology that
Speaker 1: she did around the same time. She was on some
Speaker 1: YouTube show, and of course they brought up all the
Speaker 1: controversy that was kind of circulating on social at this
Speaker 1: time about things that have happened that were egregiously you know,
Speaker 1: racist or fat phobic or transphobic or whatever. All of
Speaker 1: the Albeism, all of them, all of the Obius and
Speaker 1: Islam and she said, Um, you know, I have apologized
Speaker 1: for this before. I feel like I've apologized for it
Speaker 1: in my book, and I've apologized for on my TV show,
Speaker 1: and I will continue to apologize for it every time
Speaker 1: it comes up. She's like, it is my job too
Speaker 1: apologize over and over because that is like what I
Speaker 1: can do. That's like what I should do as someone
Speaker 1: who's being held account And I'd never heard even though
Speaker 1: ty relax a lot of nuance and a lot of
Speaker 1: different I was actually so shook because I'd never heard
Speaker 1: an apology. I've never heard a celebrity be that. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, say that there's humility
Speaker 1: to Tyrade. I don't know exactly what she didn't. She didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, bust out the notes up. And she's not
Speaker 1: shirking responsibility, right, because that's what we often see, right.
Speaker 1: It often is somebody being like, oh I was just
Speaker 1: I was just a face for it, or you know,
Speaker 1: the the network or or what or that was just
Speaker 1: our that's how we did things at the time. It
Speaker 1: is what it is type of energy. She's like taking
Speaker 1: a little bit of response. She was like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: did some fun the ship. Yeah we compatized them girl
Speaker 1: up because I think if she did any of the
Speaker 1: other stuff, she would also be shirking like the power
Speaker 1: of it being her show, because like I think both
Speaker 1: are true, Like, yes, they did funked up stuff under
Speaker 1: her guidance, but also she created tell show that changed culture.
Speaker 1: She created she also, I don't know if a lot
Speaker 1: of people know this. Kenya Barris was also on the
Speaker 1: ground root ground floor of America's Next top Mottel and
Speaker 1: he would go on to do all of his foolishness
Speaker 1: that he's doing right now so impact Tyra b look us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know Tyris, Like I still love Tyras so much.
Speaker 1: Of course, I feel like the course any like anytime
Speaker 1: someone calls for mother, I never had ever would want.
Speaker 1: And she kind of played that part like she really
Speaker 1: she would sit down with the girls and be like,
Speaker 1: tell me about your when she stood up and barked
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Speaker 1: a Virgin is an I Heart Radio production. Our producer
Speaker 1: is Figgy Intern with support from Lizzie Hoffman, Julian Weller,
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Speaker 1: No we don't. No no, no, I really don't. Don't
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