WEBVTT - Smize Cream (feat. Tre'vell Anderson) 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:05.760 Get the bag off the TV. I'm not watching that. 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:18.040 Two she lays stand before me. Hey, two folks stand 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.640 before me. But I only have one photo in my hands, 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.800 and that photo represents the person who will continue on 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.480 in the hopes of becoming America's next Top Model. The 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.160 person I do not name must immediately return to your house, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.600 pack your bags, and get the funk out of here, 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:41.200 because you're dead to me. Today we are talking about 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:49.240 the groundbreaking reality television competition America's Next Top Model, and 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.319 we have Travell Anderson here to talk about it with us, 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:55.560 because this is like a Virgin the show where we 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.240 give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.600 and I'm Fran Toronto, and I have been preparing for 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:07.920 this episode for months. Literally, as the person who uses 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.000 someone else's Hulu account and gave that log in to 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.480 Fran and sees what Fran is watching on Hulu, I 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.080 can confirm that France has been watching nothing but Top 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:22.760 Bottle from months. It is so addictive and really interesting 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.000 to watch. We'll get into interesting is a good word 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.839 for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that honestly, 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.639 a lot of the conversations people are having on social 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.840 media about like this show and like canceling Tyra whatnot. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.320 I think that kind of black nuanceenter a little boring, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.400 but we'll get into that which today we're going to 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:49.320 talk about the uncancellable Tyra Banks. Yes, that's right. I 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.000 finally watched the new Scream movie last night. Five Cream, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.680 five Cream. Have you seen it yet? Yeah? Okay, I did. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.120 When Dewey died. I mean I didn't cry, but I 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:04.800 felt a little emotional. What about the Dewy death made 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.520 you cry? I don't know, it just was and it 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.200 was more like um Courtney Cox's reaction to it, and 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.200 like her extension work of like whipping her head around 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.840 and her hair being everywhere, like you know, not a 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.959 tear falling from her eyes, but it was. I thought 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.880 it was generally a pretty good Scream movie. I don't 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:31.320 think it was quite as smart as the last Scream movie. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.519 It was a standout. It was a really good um 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:39.040 revamping of the formula with Emma Roberts. And I really 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.560 hope that since there is a six one being made, 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.840 that they do bring back Kirby as played by Hayden Penetier. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:51.480 I would die, Oh my gosh, this movie does confirm 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:56.040 that she's alive and survived the last movie, so they 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:57.760 need to bring her back. She needs to actually be 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.480 a lesbian this time. I want her to the same haircut. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.200 Last night, I watched A Bug's Life, which stars Hayden 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.520 Penetier as Dot the like tiny princess, but the world 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.240 is ready for a for a Penetier assance. Absolutely, did 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:16.680 you ever watch Nashville? No, but I watched the first 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.079 couple of seasons and like, that's the first couple of seas. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.840 I thought you were gonna say, the first couple of episodes. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.200 I watched the first couple. I watched the first three 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:28.400 seasons and it was gripping, and Hayden was great in it, 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:32.400 and Connie Britten is a legend. Her Instagram bio is 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.800 still hey, y'all, y'all. Okay, wait back to Scream. The 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.520 franchise thrives on meta humor, and that's like always what 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.320 it's been about. But I feel like they tried to 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.320 make the magic happen too many times with this movie, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.680 because like the meta humor I think was so absurd 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.360 in the fourth movie, Like what they are trying to 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.920 get away with in terms of meta jokes has like 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.680 accrued and accrud and a crude movie by movie, and 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.840 now by this movie, it's like I wish you had 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.200 started fresh and found other jokes to make, because I 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.360 actually didn't feel like there were a lot of jokes, 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.680 or at least ones that I remember, outside of the 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.360 fact that like, oh, we're in a scary movie, and 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.880 it's funny that we're talking about scary movies, you know 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.440 what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I get that. It just 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.880 became repetitive to me in in a way that I 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.120 had never felt watching other screen movies. But if you 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.320 want to hear more about screen movies, you can go 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.839 back and listen to our episode on Scream and Slasher Flicks, 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.400 The Final Doll, which is one of our better episode titles. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:37.040 Are we excited about this restored gay kiss in the 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.480 hot Buzz Lightyear movie? Only if it looks like the 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.960 fan art that I sent you of Buzz pulling Woody's string. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.279 Let me tell you first of all, I mean, I'm 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.520 sure everyone has already discussed this on the internet, but 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.880 Buzz is so hot in this trailer, and we know 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.920 that he's not going to be the gay one, which suck, 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:06.440 but like apparently the gay kiss scene was restored into 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.080 the movie as which means it was previously edited or 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.880 censored out, which Disney has a history of doing. And 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:18.400 you know, it's probably like a peck of the frame. Yeah, 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.600 it's gonna be as lame as honestly Robert Pattinson kissing 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.080 Zoe Kravitz in the Batman Movie, if not worse unless 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:29.960 buzz like your show's whole I'm not interested. Yeah, and 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.160 what sucks because he's a toy. Yeah, And I wanted 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.080 to bring it up as like an extension of like 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.960 last week's convo about like the whole like don't say 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.279 a Gay Bell thing. It actually is like so shitty 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.400 that they get to have like a press release or 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.599 headline about this new gay moment that was already like 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.160 censored out, like in reaction to like all this outrage 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.160 over they don't say gay Bell. It's like everything. I 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.120 think it's pretty transparent though, because everything I've seen about 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:07.320 it immediately then says this comes after Disney staffers revolted 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.720 following their CEOs funk up of supporting the Don't Say 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.640 Gay bill, So I don't know, it's like pretty transparent. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.799 And probably we'll still see the movie. Yes, I'm definitely 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.080 gonna see it. I think that honestly, the virgins have 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:22.919 to know that. Like you and I, we have this 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:27.480 like like recurring bit on our show. We're like something 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.839 is announced about a new gay character in a Marvel 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.040 movie or like a new gay something in a Disney whatever, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.880 and we're always like, like it's so annoying, and like 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.840 the reason this is like so frustrating is because corporations 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:45.520 get to like do extremely like homophobic and transphobic things 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.680 and then like spin it around and like profit off 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.919 of it by way of like quote unquote representation matters 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.520 kind of bullshit, you know, but it's like, I don't know, 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.680 we just over emphasize the importance of representation and we 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.680 say representation matters, and like if you go and see 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.640 our representation, it's like activism and like you feel empowered, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:10.160 but it's like empowered to do activism is activism, yeah, exactly. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.720 And that's the other thing is like empowered to do what, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.560 like empowered to fight entities like Disney. Like that is 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:21.720 like literally the movie is proselytizing something that is in 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.640 direct diametric opposition to the very values that the actual 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.840 institution stands for. And the only reason that they're going 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.800 back on their ways is because they're realizing that they're 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.680 losing profit. Like I just you can never look to 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:44.600 a corporation like Disney for a meaningful political action, And 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.480 I get it. I want children to also grow up 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.800 in a world where they see themselves reflected in the 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.800 media they consume, but it exists other places. They'll find 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.920 it other places. And like Disney is just always going 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:06.440 to be too scared about alienating their conservative consumers, then 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:11.200 about pandering to what they see as a very small 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:17.120 minority of the marketplace until someone hires me to do 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.000 a gay Prince story. I refuse to believe that anything 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.960 Disney does. Yeah, and I'll just keep writing fan fiction. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.240 I should speaking of I did like that line and 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.480 scream where you were like, are you saying I'm in 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.439 fan fucking fiction? It was that was actually really good. 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:39.040 I'm speaking of fan fiction. Um Fran implored me to 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.559 watch the new Apple TV series We Crashed this weekend, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.520 is fan fiction about the lives of Adam Newman and 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.080 his wife, who were the founders of We Work. It's 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.280 not good. It's not good. Right, it's not good, And like, 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.520 why is it called we crashed? It should be like 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:02.280 we flopped, We flopped, But it's it's based on a podcast, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.760 which like similarly to The Dropout. It's like this TV 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.680 show about a scam. It's based on a podcast that 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:14.120 like investigates the lives of the people who perpetrated the 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.319 scam and tries to figure out why they did it. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:21.040 But there's just nothing not even just like redeemable about 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.640 the two characters. It's just they're just not interesting. And 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.040 Jared leto, we need to stop letting him into makeup trailers. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.400 And you know, I watched the documentary about the whole 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.959 We Work thing, and I went back and looked at 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.920 photos of Out of Newman after watching the show this weekend, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.959 and like, the stuff that Jared let us doing is 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.800 not even making him look like the person he's playing. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.200 It's just drag. It's so dumb. Yeah, it's frustrating. There's 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.720 nothing compelling about their romance to me, like, I don't understand. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.040 I also agree, I don't understand why Anna is taking 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.160 this role. Like I'm really proud of her for, you know, 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.280 disappearing into the character by bringing her voice to a 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.160 slightly lower register so that she sounds like poor sha ROSSI. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:09.600 But it's like the soundtrack also, like rather the score 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:14.720 really positions the two of them as this like tragic 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.760 hero story, like you're really kind of ass yeah, and 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.040 you're but they're trying to make you feel like a 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.240 lot more empathy for like their romance, but there's nothing 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.520 compelling about it. And like, I think like it would 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.760 have been so much more successful if Anne Hathaway was 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.720 a huge asshole instead of like a subtle kind of 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.040 vegan ass well, the show was very sympathetic towards her. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.680 I do. I do like how Rebecca, who Anne Hathaway 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.120 is playing, is the cousin of Gwyneth Paltrow, and I 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.720 love every time they mentioned Gwyneth or like at her wedding, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.120 people keep asking if Gwyneth is going to come and 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.200 she gets increasingly furious about it. I thought that was 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.560 funny and like, Anne Hathaway must know Gwyneth Paltrow, but 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.560 Gwyneth is very like mean, she loves like self referential humor, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.680 so she has no idea the show exists, so she 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:09.040 probably doesn't even know this woman is her cousin exactly exactly. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.680 I think that just and like thrives when she gets 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.040 to play an asshole, like when I think of Oceans 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:20.120 eight or The Witches, the Witches or um even Catwoman, 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.880 Like she actually is really good at being a bit 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.480 And I kind of wish that I had seen it here. 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.680 But when thing's for sure, Jared Leto he went on 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.480 down to the dere Kensley School of Dialect Coaching and 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.800 he brought us a brand new accent and let me 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.839 tell you, I actually enjoy it. It's horrible, but I 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.520 I do like the accent. Um. Okay, did you listen 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.120 to the new Charlie xc X this weekend? I did. Yeah, 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.560 I think it's really good. I think it needs to 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.320 be twice as long as it is. It is. It 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.280 is an EP, it is not an album. Um, but 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.680 it's really good. I I guess I hadn't spent a 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.199 lot of time with the stuff that she's already released. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.040 The arena song is good, Aby is good. I really 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:06.040 like Constant Repeat, Yuck is great. It's a really solid 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:10.080 little album. Um, and I just it. It's just insane 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.640 that it's thirty three minutes long, but I guess like 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:18.120 it's it's all killer, no filler, and like Charlie just 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.520 like didn't make the filler tracks, which you know, I 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.800 guess is is what it is. I just would like 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.719 a little more. I think I would too. I felt like, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.079 I mean, Yuck is also my favorite song, even though 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.760 it's like pretty much a do Jaquet song. I mean, 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.520 she does her kind of signature vocal distortion thing on 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.080 these tracks, but not the kind of like Sophie esque hyperpop. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.160 I'm glad she's moved on from hyperpop and didn't get 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:50.960 stuck in it because her last couple releases. While while 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.600 I do think Charlie is always on the cutting edge 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.240 of what's next in pop music, like it was starting 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.000 to feel like she was staying at that party a 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:03.120 little too long, and I'm happy that she has has 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:08.080 looked forward exactly, and like I don't know, I really 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.080 like I didn't really listen to new Shapes, and then 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.679 I went back and I was like, oh yeah, like 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.760 Caroline's like verse on this like eats and like I 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.440 love the first song cry Charlie, Caroline Chris, my friend 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.040 my friend Ryan was like, thoughts of trap stamp right there, 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.920 some gay is going to get that it'll be interesting 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.600 to see what is next for her, what her touring. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.760 This album looks like. I did find myself thinking, like, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:39.360 do any straight people sent to Charlie because she feels like, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.080 and I don't mean this in a mean way, like 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.000 Charlie feels like an inside joke, Like she feels like 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.480 a meme that is only for gay people. It feels 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.640 like music only gay people can hear. And I know, 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.240 I'm sure there are some straight people who listen to Charlie, 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.120 but like, but this does feel like, especially since it's 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.920 ending her contract with a record label, it feels like 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.480 a sellout album. And when I say sell out, I 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.720 don't mean that a negative way. I actually don't mind 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.720 when artists sell out sometimes. In fact, I think sometimes 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.720 their music gets better. But this album really feels like 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.200 it's here for bangers and for TikTok sounds. And I 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.960 also think she played with that in the promotion. She 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.560 like tweeted a lot of things that were like doing 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.160 this for my label, that kind of stuff. Like I 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.480 think she is playing into the idea of herself as 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.240 like a major label pop star, and like that's part 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.880 of the persona she's putting on for this album cycle, right, 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.120 and that's I think maybe why the first video was 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.480 a funeral, because she's like killing part of her career. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:48.760 Oh yeah, Oh I love that. Honestly, if if she 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.280 continues to sell out, I will see her Vegas residency. 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.200 I I really wonder what the rest of her career 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.480 is going to look like and like, in you know, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.720 twenty years, who is the artist that Charlie xc X 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:05.920 is going to be. I think that this could be 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.480 the album where it's no longer like, you know, a 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.280 gay dog whistle, or she could really you know, stay 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.120 a niche artist and just like keep making really like 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.000 forward thinking pop music. I guess we should wrap up 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.560 with talking about drag race Um. This week was the 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:28.640 lip Sync smack Down Extravaganza. I mean, despite being furious 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.200 that no one was eliminated last week, I did think 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.800 this was a fun episode. I liked all the queens 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.080 having the chance to lip sync, and it just further 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.280 confirmed for me that Willow Hill will win this season. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:45.680 I will say I don't think she necessarily like outright 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.400 one that lip sync over Bosco. I think there's an 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.320 argument to be made either way, Like they were both 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:57.120 doing kind of similar things I think energetically. But she's 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.440 playing the game very smart, she really is. I mean 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.880 it's she's been hiding her talent from the beginning. And 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:08.080 if I picking picking Bosco because she knew that Bosco 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.200 would pick the song she wanted to, She's ing for 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:16.840 d Chess. That is so good, And I will disagree 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.280 with you slightly. I think willow Hill's lip sync is 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.080 one of my favorite performances I have seen on drag 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.640 Race period. It's good. It was good, but it's it 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.080 was the kind of lip sync that like, it was good, 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:33.840 but if I was watching it in a bar, I 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.840 would probably like use the chance to like walk over 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.720 and get a drink. Okay, so I haven't. I'm having 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.160 the inverse reaction because the reason I loved it so 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:48.120 much is because it wasn't drag Race lip singing. It 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.720 was not I am a lip sync assassin. It was 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.080 not like I am lip syncing for my life right now. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.520 It was I am at a bar performing for people 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.040 that I love, and I'm serving you face And the 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.840 only way you're going to enjoy this performance is if 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.080 you look me dead in the eyes. And I feel 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.720 like because she had so much performance in her eyes, 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.639 and she did very minimal but very effective things with 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.800 her body that we're surprising and like unexpected. I was 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.840 just like, I was like, that is such a sweet 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.960 spot for me. And I felt like I was at 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.560 the Rosmann or something watching like one of my girls 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:28.520 performance so straight but like with total precision. And I 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.480 feel like the thing that precision is a very good 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.920 word to use. Yeah, And I think the other thing 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.880 is like when it comes to like drag grace lip 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.680 snks in general, nine times out of ten, especially Jasmine Kennedy, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:47.000 you are not selling in the face. Jasmine Kennedy said, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.680 I can't stand her. I really felt for her super hard, 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.439 but like she I've just never really enjoyed any of 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.399 her lip syncs. I don't think she has control of 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.520 her body. It's so chaos. Dick. Yeah, I think she'll 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.879 be better in like five years maybe, but yeah, I agree, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.720 it's not right. But the Jasmine Kennedy problem is a 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.679 problem that a lot of these girls have. Is like 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.520 they have the kicks and the flips and the splits 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.000 and the stunts and whatever, but if you're not selling 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.840 it in the eyes, your performance is like empty. And 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.440 I think that a lot of these girls lose it 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.600 in the eyes, which is like which sucks because they're 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.040 probably it's a really nerve wracking place to perform, like 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.040 it's really hard to stay focused. But like Willow went 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.680 into the zone and it's so hard to really sell 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.320 it in the eyes. And I think that that is 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.440 like what she accomplished, and it's one of my favorite 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.360 performances I've ever seen on Drive right. I do think 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.800 she used the medium the best, Like she knew that 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.359 she was on television and that if she did a 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.480 very precise, captivating performance it would it would read really well, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.320 not only in the room but on camera. I just 0:18:54.320 --> 0:19:09.280 think she's very smart and she will win. I don't. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.200 But today we are here to discuss none other than 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:19.280 America's next top the the reality competition show. I think 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.119 like that that started it all in a way. She 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.200 was that girl, America's next to Idol was that girl. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.760 I mean she was a year after American Idol, which 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.119 you know, fine, but a t M that girl, and 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:36.080 it created this like it created this wave of competition 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.520 shows like it, like Project Running with a year after 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.320 Drag Race was a few years after, Like so many 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.800 shows used a t M as the template. I don't 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:52.280 give Tyra Banks for credit en, yes, y'all to, but 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:56.480 that's why I'm here. I was because Tyra Banks deserves Okay, 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.879 she is all of these kids it's parents, you know 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.240 that are all these ugly shows that are on TV 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:08.000 right now? She is mother, Well she is. Let's give 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.560 some context. So I watched Top Model as it was airing. Fran, 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.000 you had never seen it until I kind of bullied 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.280 you into using my um Hulu login because you were 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.679 using the Hulu that had ads. Man, I said, I 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.959 can't deal with this anymore. That is literally well, I 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.679 used my friends Hulu account and he pays to not 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.480 have ads, so I like to share the wealth, of course, 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.840 but like I would never have a Hulu account with 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.560 ads also, and also Rose would never give me a 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.720 Hulu account out of the kindness of her heart. It 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.800 was weird France apartment. I was like, I can't deal 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:51.399 with that here, and it has kind of messed up 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.240 my algorithm a little bit because because I will go 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.000 to watch something and like it's like you already watched 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.480 this week's Abbott's element Abbott Elementary and like, well, no, 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.800 Fran watched it. Should I be logging in his mommy, 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.480 which is the other profile. No, that's Ryan's actual mom 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:11.240 Ryan mom. No, it's Ryan's account. That's what I'm telling you. Okay, 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.960 well I'm sorry, Ryan, I'm using your account. So Fran 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.479 had never seen Top Model, has only recently delved in 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.000 what have you been watching since the beginning watching since 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:27.760 the beginning season one? Adrian Curry Mary who was married 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.320 to um but of the Brady Bunch. She was I 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.600 forgot about one of the original I actually was thinking 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.200 about this recently because, um, do you listen to who 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.640 Weekly or do you know the podcast? So they were 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.119 one of their callin shows. Someone asked about her and 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.920 if she was still married to the Brady Bunch guys. 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.320 She's not. She lives on a farm with with the 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:54.320 guy who does the voice for like every movie trailer, 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.119 Like he's like he's the guy who's like in a 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.000 world where you know he like does So she's married 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.200 to him and and the Brady Bunch guy makes furniture. 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.000 He makes Oh, he makes the patio furniture that was 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:12.720 used in the Megan Marco Oprah interview. That is so specific. Yeah, 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.720 if you have more details on this, please go listen 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.480 to Who Weekly. But anyway, Adrian Curry, Yes, the first season, 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.720 I was there from the beginning. I've seen it. I've 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.199 seen twenty two out of the twenty four cycles. There 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:26.560 were a couple of years where I had to dig 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:30.320 out that is a lot of viewing it is, and 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:34.280 then I rewatched it all during the pandemic watch seasons 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.239 or do you stop at a certain I started from 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.679 the beginning and went to the end, to the end, 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:42.000 I have to admit, Okay, even though I watched from 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:47.240 the beginning, I've only seen probably the first eight seasons, 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.760 and then I did watch the reboot seasons with Rita 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:54.960 or of course Red Alert. I mean I did as well, 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:59.840 but but I missed I missed the like from eight on, 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.359 and so I missed all the ones with Andre Leon Tally. 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.200 I missed the ones where they've brought in male models 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:11.000 less iconic, but they gave us now DeMarco, so shout 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:14.280 out to care about um. I just for the virgins 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.600 wrapping the Virgins out here. I had maybe seen one 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.480 or two episodes, like as a kid, my mom and 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:23.480 sister used to watch it, but like preparing for this episode, 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:28.320 I've watched the first six seasons, and then to Andre 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:32.160 Leon Tally seasons and then Jade's season as well. Okay, 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.000 oh that's a great that's a great overview. I really 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.199 wanted to watch isis is season in time, but then 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:38.760 I was like, I actually don't want to watch her 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:43.040 endure a bunch of transper I recently revisited it for 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:47.040 a book I'm writing, and it's well, I mean, I 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.440 think season one is a great place to start or 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.560 also just to talk broadly about very wacky things that 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:56.879 come from them. Well maybe maybe the early season. I don't. 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.280 I don't remember a lot of season one. Season two 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:05.159 is my favorite season. Iguana. You know, they can't call 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:08.560