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Speaker 1: in the hopes of becoming America's next Top Model. The

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Speaker 1: because you're dead to me. Today we are talking about

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Speaker 1: the groundbreaking reality television competition America's Next Top Model, and

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Speaker 1: we have Travell Anderson here to talk about it with us,

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Speaker 1: because this is like a Virgin the show where we

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Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Fran Toronto, and I have been preparing for

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Speaker 1: this episode for months. Literally, as the person who uses

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Speaker 1: someone else's Hulu account and gave that log in to

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Speaker 1: can confirm that France has been watching nothing but Top

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Speaker 1: Bottle from months. It is so addictive and really interesting

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Speaker 1: media about like this show and like canceling Tyra whatnot.

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Speaker 1: I think that kind of black nuanceenter a little boring,

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Speaker 1: but we'll get into that which today we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the uncancellable Tyra Banks. Yes, that's right. I

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Speaker 1: finally watched the new Scream movie last night. Five Cream,

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Speaker 1: it was generally a pretty good Scream movie. I don't

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Speaker 1: that they do bring back Kirby as played by Hayden Penetier.

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Speaker 1: I would die, Oh my gosh, this movie does confirm

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Speaker 1: need to bring her back. She needs to actually be

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Speaker 1: a lesbian this time. I want her to the same haircut.

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Speaker 1: Last night, I watched A Bug's Life, which stars Hayden

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Speaker 1: Penetier as Dot the like tiny princess, but the world

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Speaker 1: you ever watch Nashville? No, but I watched the first

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Speaker 1: and Connie Britten is a legend. Her Instagram bio is

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Speaker 1: still hey, y'all, y'all. Okay, wait back to Scream. The

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Speaker 1: franchise thrives on meta humor, and that's like always what

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Speaker 1: back and listen to our episode on Scream and Slasher Flicks,

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Speaker 1: The Final Doll, which is one of our better episode titles.

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Speaker 1: Are we excited about this restored gay kiss in the

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Speaker 1: but it's like empowered to do activism is activism, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is like empowered to do what,

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Speaker 1: Disney does. Yeah, and I'll just keep writing fan fiction.

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Speaker 1: But there's just nothing not even just like redeemable about

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Speaker 1: was stupid whatever, but she was ostracized immediately immediately for

428
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: being an atheist, which I thought was so bad as

429
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 1: but like they literally Robin did like a prayer circle

430
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: from this girl and on television and then after I think, um,

431
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: I feel like the whole tea with like Robin was

432
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't pose nude and that was like part

433
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: of elimination. And I remember Janne Stickinson being like, well,

434
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: if you don't want to pose nude, you can go

435
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: work at a factory or bakery or ben alight. Well

436
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: that's another thing with the first couple of seasons that

437
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: Jannas Dickinson was one of the judges, and she was

438
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean, just the amount of times that she said

439
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: the word tranny, like, oh, I mean, that was one

440
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: of their favorite words, like tranny, she mail like, and

441
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: jan was also saying egregiously anti black things, like they're

442
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: definitely egregiously the entire time. She's literally and like a

443
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: neo Nazi on the entire season. She's all right, she

444
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: was at the capital on Oh my God, I literally though,

445
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I just like I was, so there was

446
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: nothing redeemable about na. It was entertaining though at the time.

447
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: It was so entertained at the time. This woman is wild,

448
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: but like I can't look away. I was, I felt

449
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: I kind of I was bummed that I didn't watch

450
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: it live because there's so many components of it that

451
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: I would have found really entertaining. To be like a

452
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: little queer kid like um getting access to this like

453
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: glamorous fashion world, yes Hunt yes, like A and t M.

454
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: I always say introduced me to my first to possibility

455
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: models Miss j Alexander and Andre Leon Tally. It was

456
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: through this show. This show is icoonic. Okay, people don't

457
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: talk about it and left I know we were talking.

458
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: It also is the root for like half of the

459
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: memes on the internet. Actually literally so many mope but

460
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: make it fashion. But there's also um I think it's

461
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: and then the like the like woke versions of that

462
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: like feminism but make an intersectional. It was like, okay, girl,

463
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: there's in season fourteen there there's a contestant named Alaysia

464
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: and there's a moment where she gets saved and you

465
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: don't think she was going to get saved and she's

466
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: like kind of crying and rooting her fists like this,

467
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: and I was in time. I was like, that is

468
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: a meme that like it had no like things that

469
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: you have no idea where the girl fainting. Okay, you'll

470
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: have to be more specific because many you know the

471
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: girls who like who fainted them during judge. This would

472
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: have been her eyes roll back. She had like a

473
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: rare like you know, it's so funny. A lot exceptions

474
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: for because with her, she was dismissed and she came

475
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: back and they were like, oh, you're you're good. Don't

476
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: worry about it. You have to worry about this challenge.

477
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: But then some girls have literal medical emergencies like Danielle,

478
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: like just qualified and like the doctors like, do not

479
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: leave the hospital. It's against medical advice to the hospital,

480
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: and she leaves to the photo's like listen, she won,

481
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: and she won that season entire and Tyre always reads them.

482
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: She's like, when I was a model, there's always one

483
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: of those. I slept in a room with twelve other girls, okay,

484
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: and they steal my stuff and they didn't like because

485
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: I was black, And she loves that, Okay. As a

486
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Tyra her story, can you like set the scene for

487
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: us of where Tyra was in her career when Top

488
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: Model started. So Tyra had already become a major star,

489
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: like a major celebrity. She had already converted that kind

490
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: of model energy, particularly through Victoria's secret stuff, because allowed

491
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: her to show her personality and all of that. Victoria

492
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 1: was the culture. It was the culture at was this

493
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: post kyote Ugly. This, Oh my god, I forgot that

494
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: she was. I'm going to look at it. I please

495
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: look it up because kyote Ugly is two thousand when

496
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: the top Model start Top Model started in two thousand three.

497
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: If I'm not wow, oh my god, wow post coyote Ugly,

498
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: which iconic? I mean? Yes, She's my favorite thing, my

499
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: favorite Thanksgiving movie. Okay, I don't know why, but I

500
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: consider it a Thanksgiving movie. I see that, Yeah, I

501
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: see that. It gives November. Ye. Okay. So Tyra's already

502
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: an anointed celeb. She's already an annointed celeb, and then

503
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: she also has this just like personality that folks have

504
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: loved and seen in interviews or whatnot, right, and that

505
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: is what, you know, helped her get this show again.

506
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: This was that like that beginning era of like good

507
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: reality TV, right, the Simple Life American idol. Like I mentioned,

508
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: we should do a Simple Life episode. I've never seen, really, girl,

509
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: you haven't seen a lot over there for an end.

510
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: It's the conceit of the show. Why we do the podcast.

511
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: It was like a virgin the show where yesterday's pop

512
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: calls today's cake. You know um Jay Manuel famously like

513
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: the story he tells is that Tyra called him because

514
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: at the time he was her makeup artist. Tyra calls

515
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: him at like two o'clock in the morning, like, man,

516
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people get as mannequin

517
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: like talking and like he thought something was wrong, like

518
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: there was an emergency and like he was something there

519
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: was of emergency. And Tyra literally like rattled off the

520
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: entire concept for the show and she was like I

521
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: have this idea for the show and like you can

522
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: do the makeup and like blah blah blah, and she

523
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: like spewed out the whole kind of show and like

524
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: we forget that she created the show, like it's it's

525
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: not like a nowadays, we have a lot of celebrities

526
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: that are executive producers on things, which really only means

527
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: that you collect a lot of coin for like you know,

528
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: a kind of um you know, it's like a vanity title.

529
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: But like Tyra was so I feel heavily involved. She

530
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: made that, she made the pitch that she was super involved.

531
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: And you can also tell, like even now as a

532
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: lot of folks have been like revisiting the series right

533
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: and calling her out for some of the foolishness. Miss

534
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: Jay has done interviews, had had a whole Instagram series

535
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: of interviews spilling the realty of like how these stuff

536
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: came together, and he was saying the same thing. He

537
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: was like Tyra Banks was like super involved, but he

538
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: was like, I also super involved, Like we created these

539
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: ideas out of our head, but he was like, they're

540
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: also a reflection of that. The industry at that time

541
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: was doing racist ship. Do you remember any like specific

542
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: t that was like that like stuck out to you,

543
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: either from that series or otherwise from the JS. You know,

544
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: I think what it was is a lot of it

545
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: was just drama around you know, different judges, personalities, different

546
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: off camera issues. I don't know if y'all remember the

547
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: season with was it Naima? I think it was her season.

548
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: They were in somewhere in Africa, um and they had

549
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: this challenge where they had these male models who were

550
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: like around them and like, you know, she was felt

551
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: made to feel uncomfortable or whatever. I think it was Kenya.

552
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: But the key it was the girl that they dressed

553
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: up as an OWLD friend because she had gained right

554
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: she also became the plus size whatever. Yeah, Yeah, they

555
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: were like your plus size actually got a little stomach

556
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: plus anyway, but they were talking. He was talking about

557
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: how they were like trying to handle it and the

558
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: response because again he started doing this in the pandemic

559
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: when people had all these questions, but like, how could

560
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: you all do that in a post me to world.

561
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, you all recorded that and

562
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: you didn't say nothing. He's like, he's like, listen, you

563
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: know sometimes there are I mean, I didn't like his answer,

564
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: that's my disclaimer, okay, but he was just like, listen,

565
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: things happen that you all don't see. Um, and when

566
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, we've got to get the shot. Yes,

567
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean he I have some quotes. Um, you know.

568
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: Miss Ja noted Tyra also had bosses, but Jay Manuel said, um,

569
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: people are throwing her under the bus. But I think

570
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: at the same time, I can't defend her. I can't

571
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: get in her head about what she meant about a

572
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: lot of controversial things that happened. I'm just going to

573
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: stipulate this. Everyone keeps asking who allowed that, um, and

574
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: the Jays stood by and this and that. Let's be real.

575
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: Almost Tyra has as she has always said in the

576
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: press it was her show period, she was the host.

577
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: Heerd anything that happened on the show was sanctioned by

578
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: or was creative that Tyra put forward period. That is

579
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: so t it's with something like that, it's I mean,

580
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: there are a lot of I mean, there are a

581
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: lot of things handled in the show that are just

582
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: abhorrent and egregious. And like the multiple challenges where they

583
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: had the models be different races. Yeah, almost wants the

584
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: cycle like someone is meant to like it's the blackface challenge.

585
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: Literally that in the second Andre Leon Tally season they

586
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: do it was like Ghosties. They do a whole photoshoot

587
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: around crumping actually, and then Twiggies all I've never heard

588
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: of crumping before, but I don't know if they sees

589
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: a clump, but it looks delightful, like it's like so

590
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: so stupid. Listen, they were taking the culture and I

591
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: know that's idea. Of course it was, of course it

592
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: was um but yeah, I I don't know. I think

593
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: that when I look back on it now, especially with

594
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: something like that moment where like ken you was kind

595
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: of being grabbed in a way that was like so

596
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: not okay, Like it was some of these issues are

597
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: handled very badly, but not in the worst way, you know,

598
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: some of like some of the judges tried to stick

599
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: up for her, but they ultimately were like, but you

600
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: just got to deal with that, which is like not

601
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: how we would treat it today. But I think that's

602
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: a lot there's a lot of back and forth around

603
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: like how we hold things accountable, especially when they're from

604
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago, and that was unfortunately the culture

605
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: of the time, right, Like all of the models of

606
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: the heyday have these stories about like sexual harassment or

607
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: assault that they've had to deal with just as a

608
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: matter of being in the industry. So it makes since

609
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: that someone like a Tyra Banks or whoever else is

610
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes on this show with the women

611
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: are like, girl, just suck it up like this, like

612
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: you're about to get this contract, like you know, it

613
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: was all on camera, so it went bad bad, you

614
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: know how motherfucker's like used to talk right, Like I

615
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: remember there was a I think in season two there

616
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: was this girl who I mean, so many of the

617
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: girls had eating disorders, which it's like another it's just

618
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: another kind of like class of women that like are

619
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: so set up to fail, like for a show like this,

620
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: but like there's this girl who was like, I think

621
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: she actually ended up winning the second cycle you wanna

622
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: during her ghost sees like which everyone's so mean and

623
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: at these ghosties, but one of the people was like,

624
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: one of the people is like, yo, w on it,

625
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: like you really need to work on your like your body,

626
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: you need to work in your tone. And she like

627
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: very quietly, was like, but I'm assised to like literally

628
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: like and no one liked and when it campt saddest

629
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: thing I had ever heard, and it and it like

630
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: makes it worse than GM's Dickinson is calling literally calling

631
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: them fatty. Literally literally literally every single one, even the

632
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: smallest folks. The body fascism never stopped from her. I

633
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: I literally there were so few redeeming Oh my god,

634
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: I just hate Jannas Dickinson. She made great TV the

635
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: right Let's say that every time she was on my TV,

636
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: I was watching she had her own reality show. She

637
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: did it was like the Janice Dickinson modeling agents on

638
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: like oxygen because there were there are a lot of

639
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: people have tried to replicate the Formula Top model. There

640
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Speaker 1: was a Bravo modeling show for like a one season. Um,

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00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: I guess janesis show. What other modeling reality shows out there?

642
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean the very of the face, which I love.

643
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: Girl Campbells another person who's just great. These older models,

644
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: they're just great TV. They know what they're doing. Naomi

645
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: campbell Is. I mean, the show is not as good

646
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: as America's Next a Model, but Naomi as a TV

647
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: personality is on par with Tira pointblank period in a

648
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: completely different way, way, more erratic way. Angry are like

649
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: just nonsert, like the rate, like these women are like

650
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: on sets and she's screaming, Well, this is the woman

651
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: who famously threw her phone at her assistant. So oh,

652
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure she has thrown many more phones off the record,

653
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: probably thrown a lot of things. Now she's just got

654
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: it in the contract that you just expected actually though, Um,

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00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean Janice. Uh. The one moment that

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00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: did make me I have a really hard time with Jannis.

657
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: I was like, actually emotionally affected watching her just be

658
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: so horrible. Um. But one of the moments that did

659
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: stick out to me was during Jade's season. Um, there's

660
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: a contest named Gina who is like kind of struggling.

661
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: She was the only Asian model, like, and she was

662
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: being bullied by Jade and Jay we have to talk about.

663
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: But like Janice, who had already been ousted from the

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Speaker 1: show because her entire basically got into a fight about

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00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: plus size models. From what I understand, I think the

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00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: t is that like Jane's just point blank period didn't

667
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: want plus size models on the show, and I was like,

668
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: it's important to me or whatever, among other agreements, and

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00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: then she was fired from the show. She came back

670
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: for occasional cameos and she took these girls out for

671
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: dinner and like no, like I think probably fed by

672
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: the producers knowing that they like Jade and this girl

673
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: Gina were like fighting. Was like Gina, like, what's going on?

674
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: Telling me? And Gina was like I don't want to.

675
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you what She was like

676
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: very resistant, and Janice was like, no, you have to

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00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: fucking tell like literally bullied her into telling her. And

678
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: then Gina was like, okay, well it's Jade, Like she

679
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: is like really mean to me, and Janice is like,

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00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: we never rat out our sisters, and she literally says

681
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: to Gina, says to this child she says, you're dead

682
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: to me, bitch buzz and I was like, such such good.

683
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: It's so funny because these such a good. A lot

684
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: of these girls are like like they even if they're

685
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: like twenty one, they feel like they're fifteen. Like they

686
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: are all so yeah, they are also and for and

687
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: these judges treat them like they're five. They want to

688
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: shake them up. They're like, listen, you wanted this, you

689
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: want to be in this business. I'm going to treat

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00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: you like But you know, some of the girls came

691
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: in with very strong personalities, like my absolute favorite contestant

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00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: of all time, ferrand with the walk and with the tips,

693
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: which I do want to was was a contestant from

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Speaker 1: cycle six, and she came in with Ferranda's tips for

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Speaker 1: successful interaction, which she posted around the house. Here just here,

696
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: just a few of them. Tips for successful interaction. Number one,

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Speaker 1: I will treat you in a way that is identical

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00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: to or worse than the way you treat me reciprocity.

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00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: Number two, I am the best person to discuss me

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Speaker 1: with Queen. Three. If you need anything other than emergency items,

701
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: please do not ask me. That's very you, honestly. Number

702
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: four stay out of my personal business unless I invite

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00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: you in Oh my God. They went to Thailand for

704
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: this season, and one of my favorite Frondo moments again

705
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: making these girls do things that are not in their

706
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: uncultural wheelhouse. They all had to do traditional Thai dance,

707
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: and like it was all about like mimicking very precise

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00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: movements and all like there were four girls left, I think,

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00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: and all three of the girls like try to do

710
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: this very precise tight ends and Franda gets up there

711
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: and abandons all of the Korea. It's in front of

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00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: a live audience and front to get the loudest applause

713
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: traditional time. It was wild, but it was super ientertated

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00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: with the resurgence of the Top Model in the pandemic,

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00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: they've been doing these zoom interviews with folks and talking.

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00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: I've seen some of the girls on TikTok's I forget

717
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: what her name was, but she won one of the

718
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: All Star seasons and she was talking about how they

719
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: like gossl at her, and I mean, I think there's

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00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of trauma around Top Model

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00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: for everyone of them. Yeah. Danny Danielle, who was the

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00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: season they went to Thailand, she did this whole interview

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00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: because folks were upset that Tyra and the judges made

724
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: her closer gap all right, right and had surgery. Um,

725
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: And so she did this whole Instagram live thing like

726
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: clearing the air and like being great, super grateful for

727
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: it or whatever she is that that's what she said. Yeah,

728
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: she was like, I was super grateful for it. She

729
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: was like, could I have had a career with my

730
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: big gap that big? She's like maybe, but like she's like,

731
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: life is really good for me right now. And I

732
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: closed my I closed my gap a little, and I

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00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: won the competition. She did win, and she was so incredible.

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Speaker 1: But even after she closed her gap, they were like,

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00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: well your accent, honey, and they were like dragging her

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00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: for her app and it's like, but yeah, um, oh god,

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00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: I feel like um. Also from these early seasons, so

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Speaker 1: I watch so Tiffany. Of course we have to get

739
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: to Tiffany. Tiffany was in Triumphs for season three and

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Speaker 1: then made it to the cycle four or whatever, which

741
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: I didn't realize, but like watching the third and then

742
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: the fourth cycles like in succession and knowing the legacy

743
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: of Tiffany, it felt like the hero's journey. It was

744
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: like Joseph camp Bowl level like epic of like, what

745
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: when was this going to happen to Tiffany and under

746
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: what circumstances? Because I actually didn't know the context, and

747
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: it's crazy, what like the reason that for this to

748
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: be the thing that Tyra blew up about. I'm really

749
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: curious as to like what was going on behind the scenes,

750
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: because what Tyra was mad about was so was such

751
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: a non issue, which was that she felt that Tiffany

752
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: after being fired, after being like, you know, dismissed from

753
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: the show, was not sad enough. But they literally made

754
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: her go to They made her go to Anger Management

755
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: after cycle three because she got into a bar fight

756
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: with some literal racist do you remember this. They were

757
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: at Barney's Beanery and some racist woman like throw a

758
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: bottle at her, and because she tried to defend herself,

759
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: they were like, you have to go to Anger Management

760
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: or something like that. And so she comes back the

761
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: show and Tyra's like mad at her for not expressing emotions,

762
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: of which he's gone to like quote unquote treatment to

763
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: like contain her emotion. It was but it was great TV,

764
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: and I will say it was incredible, excellent TV. And

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00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: I also have just say also from that season, there's

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00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: a moment where Tiffany and Brandy they were like two

767
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: little friends. They were two friends that were like in

768
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: season four. And then there's another contestant that like comes

769
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: out as like by um in in the in the

770
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: in the during the season. Yeah, the weird one who

771
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: had the bacteria, the flesh eating bacteria. Oh my god,

772
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: the flesh eating and she was like a little was

773
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: going on on the show. And I just remember like

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00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: she basically was like one on one with another girl

775
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: in there in the private and the privacy quote unquote

776
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: of her bedroom, telling this girl like, I think the

777
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: reason I've been so crazy lately is like I have

778
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: a secret and I'm by. And then it pans over

779
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: to Tiffany and Brandy behind the door listening, and they

780
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: turned to each other and she says like to this girl,

781
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: like I'm by, and Tiffany turns to I'm the other girl.

782
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, she's gay. And then they

783
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: walked into the room and they were like we love

784
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: you so much, like we support like it's this that

785
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: was so cute. It was so cute. My favorite part

786
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: of every season is obviously episode three the makeover. There

787
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: used to be a YouTube compilation that was just every

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00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: makeover on Top and I could definitely watch that. I

789
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: mean the tears, the tears, but like sometimes they were

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00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: justified because some of those makeovers were whack. Yes, yes,

791
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: but the majority of the tears were the girls who

792
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: had long hair, who felt like they would look like

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00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: a boy when they cut their hair off, when they

794
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: when they got the Mia Pharoh and Roseberry's baby special

795
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: every every seasvery season, and the like this is gonna

796
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: make you so edgy, this is gonna make you so

797
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: mod and like the girls just like it's always really

798
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: funny when someone gets a very dramatic makeover and then

799
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: gets sent home that episode. Now you have to leader

800
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: and let them people cut your hair. Almost every season

801
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: somebody they change somebody's hair this way and tire was like,

802
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: that's not what I asked for. You gotta go do

803
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: it again. Or there was a season where one of

804
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: the black girls got this like really painful we've put

805
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: in and the entire was like, that's not what I wanted.

806
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: So she had to go back and they had to

807
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: take it out and do it all over again, and

808
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: they're always having white people. Do these like black women's hair,

809
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: especially in the early season. Do you have any favorite

810
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: contestants and or like wacky moments from earlier seasons. Um,

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00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: My favorite contestant of all time is Eva the Diva

812
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: pigfurt Um that season three, she was amazing great television

813
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: three is a close second. But I love the drama, okay,

814
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: I love the girls. You know when somebody ate breeze

815
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: uh food, Oh my god, and she was so upset

816
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: about it. I was like, yes, that's what I like. Okay.

817
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: There was another there was another black girl who was queer. Um.

818
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: I forget which season, maybe season three, um, who just

819
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: like had an attitude the entire time. She was ball headed,

820
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: dark skin. I was like, yes, girl, just be a

821
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: bit why. She was the first lesbian on the show,

822
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: and I remember when this bye girl came through, she

823
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: was like, I just want to be the first lesbian

824
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: America's next to mine. I was like she was. There

825
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 1: was a lesbian cycle wything. Do you have any favorite challenges? Oh,

826
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: favorite challenges? I know what mine is. My favorite challenge

827
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: is season three with the jewelry beauty shot with the

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00:48:53,719 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: hands um. And that's my favorite shoe of all because

829
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: the drama that Eva gave us that episode, because obviously

830
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: you gotta spider a girl. I want to face like

831
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: I get a girl. Um. But that was just so wonderful.

832
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: The photos for all of the girls were gorgeous. I

833
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: was like, this, this is this is modeling, frand this

834
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: is modeling. My favorite photo shoot was the Seven Deadly

835
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: Sins in cycle four where they were in the coffin

836
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: and they made the girl who's best friend best friend

837
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: had just died, get into the coffin. But she was

838
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: so good she didn't win the challenge, but that is

839
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: I feel like that that photo like recirculates like every

840
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, every like nine months on Twitter. Um, it's

841
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: so good. But they also that was another one with

842
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: r Kenya where they made her be gluttony but all

843
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: the food and she was eating a burger and I

844
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: think and I think, um, someone said she looked like

845
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: a drag queen. Yeah, oh they were that was like

846
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: that was their favorite. Yeah, she's giving drag queen. But

847
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: sometimes it was a compliment and other times it wasn't. No,

848
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: it was always like you look like a man. It

849
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: was it was they said that about They kept calling

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00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: Jade to drag queen, but they would often say it

851
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: in like like as a positive thing, but that the

852
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: show really morphs and is inconsistent and how it like

853
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: compliments people because some women are rewarded for being skinny

854
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: and some women are punished for being skinny, and some

855
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: women are you know, it's it's like crazy, It didn't

856
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: make any sense, but it was great television keep saying, okay,

857
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: there is the season fourteen has obviously the challenge where

858
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: they have to they go to New Zealand and post

859
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: in front of the hobbiton this happened, So they go

860
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: to the Shire Girl. But that's the same season where

861
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: these girls walk down a runway where there's a huge

862
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: swinging pendulum in front of them that it's like as

863
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: if they're in the fucking Temple of Doom. The time

864
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: it perfectly so you don't get knocked over, and none

865
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: of the girls could do it, like none of the

866
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: girls had like rhythm, Oh my god. Um yeah. Also,

867
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: just any challenge where the girls have to read off

868
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: of a card or act like like Jade's cover Girl commercials.

869
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: If you have never seen Jade doing for Cover Girl commercial.

870
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: Please please go watch it. It is so iconic, as

871
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: is like almost everything Jade did the whole season. That

872
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 1: was this one of the acting challenges. It's my favorite

873
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: Tyra mal in existence is um. There's like a girl

874
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: in the confessional and she goes um. So we got

875
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: a Tyra mail today that said prepare to die. Like

876
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: that was it. But they were going to an acting

877
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: challenge where they had to pretend to die or something

878
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: with a really famous actor. I can't remember his name,

879
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: he can't have he can't he he was so he

880
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: was so famous Tyram. It was always like a black

881
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: act like it was Ko or like that's Hey Digs

882
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: or like it was it was Diggs or shamar More.

883
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: It was always that type of black actor that she

884
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: would bring to be there, you know, scenemate for those

885
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: types of chance. I'm always I'm very interested in like

886
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: who tires friends are, because like and like who who

887
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: she inducts into the show, because to put someone like

888
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: miss j in this show in two thousand three is radical,

889
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: Like and I don't even I don't even say that

890
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: with any facetiousness. And it's like, I think, because no one,

891
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: how have people hadn't really heard of Miss J outside

892
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: of the industry. Yeah, outside of the industry, and here

893
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: like Miss J is like like in his own clothes,

894
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, Like and I thought that that was like

895
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: so amazing because she knew that he was the best

896
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: at what he did, and he was he really was

897
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: still is. Some would say, so like I love Miss J.

898
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, I could talk about that one long time. Yeah,

899
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: talk talk to us about Miss J. Jason meant amazing,

900
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, because again it was through top model that

901
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: I saw this like black man who was like super effeminate,

902
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, there's something there that's like

903
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: resonating with me and my experience. Um and so, and

904
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: the fact that ms J was just like themselves, like

905
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: it was one of one. You could tell no one

906
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: else had that personality. They were like fully in themselves

907
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: and like knew their power and they knew that when

908
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: they walked in the room, you were paying attention, right,

909
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: and like that's what I try to embody today, right,

910
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: um and so, like Miss J was everything. And to

911
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: see them having already been like super successful in the

912
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: industry as some as a model themselves, and then as

913
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: somebody who was teaching, Naomi teaching, Tira teaching, camor Ley Simmons,

914
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: UM and all of the girls of the time. Transition

915
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: that into this personality media personality moment that he currently has. Amazing.

916
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: It's so well deserved, deserved, beyond for sure. Did ms

917
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: stay till the very end? Um, No, miss j Um.

918
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to say they had a falling out,

919
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: but they weren't asked back. You know, when they were

920
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: doing the revamping, Um, this is around the red or

921
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: us um time but like short for it, Um, when

922
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: they were just like trying to cycle in new talent.

923
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: They were doing stupid stuff like this was the British invasion,

924
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: this was the petite cycle, this was the it was.

925
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: It was like everybody was sure, everyone was everyone was

926
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: Christian China, like it was a thing. Um. Like this

927
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: is before they started doing guys um on the show, UM,

928
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: which those seasons were interesting. There were three of them,

929
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: mightfully um three too many three too many um in

930
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: two guys one not Marco and Keith whatever his name. Um,

931
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: he's now got his you know penis print all over

932
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: the internet. Watch penis print for what you know. He's

933
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: just like one of those thirst trappers on Instagram like

934
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: the game. I thought you meant that he got his

935
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: like penis like molded and sold. He was, listen, you

936
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: got a diversify your income these days, Well let's get

937
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: the corporate card out and by what listen? Um. I

938
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: also had no idea that Raja did all the makeup.

939
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: Raja was the makeup artist for the first yes, many

940
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: seasons it was. Yeah, it was a long time, and

941
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: she was featured like very often, and I think ru

942
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: saw didn't Rue or someone from his camp see her

943
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: on ANTM and was like, you need to be on

944
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: Drag Race. I think, well, there was an episode where

945
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: she did drags Dira. Oh my god. Yeah, I forgot

946
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: about that, and she did look like Tyra. She did well.

947
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: They were best friends right at a point, um, which

948
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: is why Roger did Tyra for Drag Race for Snatch Game.

949
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: Oh and one, I believe I forgot about that. Wow.

950
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of Tyra, did you watch the Tyra Banks Show,

951
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: the talk show? Yeah, I mean I saw like the

952
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: Beyonce interview that she did, which is you know, iconic

953
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: moment in in in television history. Um, so yeah, I

954
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: was watching it, but I wasn't like it wasn't like

955
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: appointment television. It was for me. I there was a

956
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: semester in college where I made my schedule around the

957
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 1: need to be at home and watch Tyra every day.

958
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: It was it was my roommate, and I would watch

959
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: it every afternoon. I was obsessed. What did you love

960
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: about it? Just that she was like so cuckoo and

961
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: like wacky and like kind of bad at being a

962
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: talk show host, but like that's what made her so

963
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: good at and like I loved the like the like

964
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: weird nothing episodes even more than the ones where she

965
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: had really good guests. Like one of my favorite episodes

966
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: is the one where she has the woman on who

967
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: married the Eiffel Tower. Oh my god, truly iconic. Also

968
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: her interview with Naomi where she's like, she's like, why

969
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: did you hate me so much? My name was like,

970
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't even think of you. You know, I caught it.

971
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: There were great moments on that TV show. Remember the

972
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: one where she I think she had like was it

973
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: a cat scan or something on the show to prove

974
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: that her breasts were real. There was another one where

975
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, kiss my fat ass, or

976
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: when she um was a homeless person for a dame

977
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: when she was a fat person, which inspired the challenge

978
00:57:54,200 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: that first introduced us to isis on America's Next Top Model? What? Yes,

979
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: that is the reason why, because iis initial introduction is

980
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: in the background on the previous season that she was

981
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: on because they did a homeless fashion shoe and they

982
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: had real people experiencing homelessness, which Isis was. At the time,

983
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: I didn't realize and they kept saying, who's that hero

984
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: in the background because she's serving I survey And then

985
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: it became this whole big deal because she was trans

986
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: and they were like, it was a lot. And then

987
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: of course get the fag off the tv um. Something

988
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: that Tyra does so well that flourished in ant him

989
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: and then you know, transcended in her talk show was

990
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: her innate ability to uncover what people's greatest fears are

991
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: and then use them against them. Yes, you can tell

992
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: that Tyra either loved fear factor or invented fear factor.

993
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: Like shout out to the producers. They were working. They

994
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: were working between like Tarantula us and like suspending these

995
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: girls at like great heights over like invisible cat looks

996
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: and like all this different stuff. But there's the only

997
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: episode of Tyra that I remember seeing as a kid

998
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: was an episode where she talks about the greatest fears

999
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: and she has all these like kind of everyday people

1000
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: come on and say, oh, my greatest fear is so,

1001
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: and so she says, like, let's say, my greatest fear

1002
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: is cats, and she'd bring out like ten. Yeah. There

1003
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: was this one girl who her greatest fear was like

1004
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: pennies and loose change, and so Tyra put like a

1005
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: Rolex watch at the bottom of like a tub of

1006
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: pennies and she's like, if you want to watch, you

1007
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: have to get it. And this girl had like this

1008
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: long acrylic manicure and she's like just shuffling away pennies

1009
00:59:44,400 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: with like her nail. Tyra, It's so funny, like her

1010
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: getting cast in life size as this like which I've

1011
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: never seen Iconic the original and the sequel. Literally, I

1012
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: haven't seen the sequel. But isn't the sequel a Christmas movie? Yes?

1013
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was, like I think that the movie

1014
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: it's like Thanksgiving. It's a Thanksgiving movie. Like casting her

1015
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: as like a deranged and naive plastic doll like typecast

1016
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: Like literally she is like and I'm not even like

1017
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: she's literally like the Barbie of our generation, you know

1018
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like she she encompassed, she is, she's

1019
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: she is every woman in America's Next Time and now she's,

1020
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: um what is she? She judges she's dancing with Apparently

1021
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: she's not very good. Have you guys watched it? No? No,

1022
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: but like of course she's not good. She also did

1023
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: America's Got Talent as well, and he wasn't good at

1024
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: that either, Like that's not her thing where because like

1025
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: she's she's got She's got a lot of personality that

1026
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: she does. I'm still waiting for Model land O tell

1027
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: us about the park. It was supposed to be a

1028
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: theme park, right, and because it was based off of

1029
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: a book like any she wrote when she wrote it,

1030
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: allegedly her name's on the cover. Um, but yeah, she

1031
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: has this whole world. She's also has now a isn't

1032
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: it like an app? Like a game? Oh my god?

1033
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: Is it like Kim Kardashian Hollywood? Yeah, it's like one

1034
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: of those. And it was like a huge deal. I

1035
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: imagine that. Yeah, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure she's

1036
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: got lots of irons in the fire. What do you

1037
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a lot because she's also got an

1038
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: ice cream store called Smiles Cream, Great Santa Monica, your kid.

1039
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm fairly sure this was a story that I covered

1040
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: on one a day. Tyra banks Is net worth is

1041
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: estimated to be ninety million. It should be I think

1042
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: that's how I think that's a little high. I don't know.

1043
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: She is a mobile bankable productions are I feel like

1044
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: she also has an expensive lifestyle. I'm sure she does,

1045
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, but still, and she's got that kid. Now

1046
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: she's probably reporting net losses. But my cream, Oh my god,

1047
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know she got she got? She's always working.

1048
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: Can you smile? I mean, can anyone really smile other

1049
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: than Tyra? I don't think. I mean I feel like

1050
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm actually learning about modeling and how to move my

1051
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: body by watching the show. Like there's so many things

1052
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: Where'm like, oh, it's like you need all your lettings out,

1053
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, like even when you look it feels uncomfortable,

1054
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it looks you want the eye to go.

1055
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be straight lines, you know.

1056
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: I also felt like Tyro was kind of I feel

1057
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: like Tyra was the only judge that, despite giving also

1058
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: deranged and unfair feedback, gave the most constructive feedback and

1059
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: was often right about like modeling things, where like Janis

1060
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: was just like, you're fat and ugly, and Nigel Barker

1061
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: was like I want to I would, I would to

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01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: suck the lin from between listen, Okay, I just couldn't

1063
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: get it. Absolutely still today, yesterday, today, tomorrow. No, that's I.

1064
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: I do not endorse Janice and Nigel do. Both have

1065
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: virtually no constructive criticism, virtually no authority on literally anything,

1066
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: and offer their opinions on every and to me like

1067
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: Nigel is as charmless as like honestly like Jeffrey Bower

1068
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: Chapman and Drag Race Canada like he was just sub

1069
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: I thought he was so horrible on top of being

1070
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: kind of a predator. Would drag Grace even exists without

1071
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: Top Model? I don't think it would literally literally would?

1072
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what is the legacy of Top Model? Top

1073
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: Top Model is the mother of so much of what

1074
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: you see on TV. Right, Like, this was part of

1075
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: an era and it was one of the biggest shows

1076
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: on TV at a time, right, which is a lot

1077
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: to say when you're competing with the American Idols, which

1078
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: was also huge right in those first six or those years.

1079
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: Um and so now I think the love is blinds

1080
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: of the world can look and take something from took

1081
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: something from a top model, your project Runways, your next

1082
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: in fashions, your like all of these like reality competition shows,

1083
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: particularly the ones that have people like living together as

1084
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: well in that aspect you're making the bands. All of

1085
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: that goes back to bank. That is one thing I've

1086
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: always wished was part of Drag Race was them living together.

1087
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: And I do kind of wish I would love that

1088
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: would see well, I would love to see more drag

1089
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: content that's not um that is yeah, that is not

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: a competition, Like it would be so fun to have

1091
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: like a drag queen. Real World. Yeah, that show is

1092
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: going to be on TV for a long time. They're

1093
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: going to have to figure out a way to reinvent it.

1094
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the next iteration is like the coel you

1095
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: get to see the queen's living to the unreal world. Yeah,

1096
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: the realness world, the realness world watching America's Next Top Model,

1097
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: even though you know the ja'son Tyra are so like

1098
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: untouchable in terms of like a judges panel has actually

1099
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: made me appreciate like Ru and Michelle and Ross and

1100
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: Carson like a lot more because I think that there,

1101
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: I think that what they just to like compare a

1102
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: little bit, like I do think that, Like I mean,

1103
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: obviously what they do is so singular and amazing, but

1104
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: there is like a genuine interest in like the drag

1105
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: Queen's exceeding. You know that each of the judges like

1106
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: kind of are invested in and like want them to

1107
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: be better where America's next time model just because I

1108
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: mean I don't necessarily blame them entirely, like that's the

1109
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: state of reality TV at the time, but like they

1110
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: more so reveled off of kind of really distorted ideas

1111
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: about the modeling industry and like exaggerated and provoked these

1112
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 1: girls by kind of using these like crazy like things

1113
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: that they were like, well this happened to me. I

1114
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: had to post with the live crocodile, So now you

1115
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, um like it I think that,

1116
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I'm being so serious about the

1117
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: show and it was like widely entertaining, but like it's

1118
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: so funny like that there's such a it is there's

1119
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: such an unprecedented like level of like gaslighting and maneuvering

1120
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: that production and the judges had to do in order

1121
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: to convince all these girls that this was completely normal,

1122
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: like and that they actually get something out of it

1123
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: that they would get because like, I don't think the

1124
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: prize that was offered in Top Model was like all

1125
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: that amazing, like guess getting a contract. It seemed amazing,

1126
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: But I think what they were promising them more than anything,

1127
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: And I think what sets it apart, what sets it

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01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: apart from a lot of other reality competitions is they

1129
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: were offering the models and even the ones who didn't win, careers,

1130
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: Whereas a lot of these other reality TV shows it

1131
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: was either it was like you won and that was

1132
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: kind of it, like you got whatever the prize was

1133
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: and that was it. With Top Model, it was we're

1134
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: giving you and like the tools to be a working model. Yeah,

1135
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: And that's another thing, right, like that Top Model came

1136
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: at a time where they like the tangible things that

1137
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: you could get from it, Like the fashion industry at

1138
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: that time was this like exclusive type place. You didn't

1139
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: know how to get your your foot in the door.

1140
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: If you're in Idaho, and you want a model, right.

1141
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: Top Model kind of was that entry way for a

1142
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: lot of girls to get that first contract or even

1143
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: just to get some experience taking some photos, like legitimately right,

1144
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: because a lot of the girls didn't have any experience.

1145
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: And then when drag Race came around, and now the

1146
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: current iteration of drag Race, like there's there's such like

1147
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: a um a marketing commodities world, merchandizing world around the

1148
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: show where like I feel like you you have to

1149
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: be a little bit more aware of of shit, right

1150
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: because your career. You can be on one episode of

1151
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: Drag Race and go on to have a really amazing career.

1152
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: You couldn't be on one episode of Top Model and

1153
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: go on to have a great career. And you can't

1154
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:54,480
Speaker 1: come in. You can't come into drag Race though um unfinished.

1155
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: You can't come in without knowing what you're doing. And

1156
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: on Top Model you could. You people would come in

1157
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: and they would teach you how to walk, they would

1158
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: give you a makeover, they would teach you how to pose.

1159
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: Like you know, there was as abusive I think as

1160
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: it was definitely like it was like a modeling boot camp. Yeah,

1161
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: it was, And that was like her imagination of the

1162
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: show like Tyro's and I totally agree with you. I

1163
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: think that you know, as much as we talk about

1164
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: it now and the way that we cancel Tyra like

1165
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: every five years or whatever, it's like she really did

1166
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: want Like I think Tyra thought she was helping nine

1167
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: times out of tack. Absolutely she was helping in a

1168
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: really weird, problematic way, Like she was replicating a lot

1169
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: of the harm, right that she experienced in the form

1170
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: of these challenges. But like that was the industry, right,

1171
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: It was that traumatic. It was that traumatic, and so

1172
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: like it's a weird way to say, but like I

1173
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: think she thought that she was doing them a favor.

1174
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the girls would say,

1175
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: you know what it was like today post trauma, it

1176
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: was a ship show. But like I learned some things

1177
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: that I needed to learn in that that shitty situation

1178
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: that like helped me navigate this industry in the ways

1179
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: that like we're better, right, Like it's really weird and

1180
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: complex and complicated, um, but like I think that's how

1181
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: we should like look at the show and look at

1182
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: Tyra in the first place. Is like it's complicated totally,

1183
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: and to what you said earlier about how like Tyra

1184
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: had bosses too, Like she's gone on record to talk

1185
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 1: about how she had to fight to get plus size

1186
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: models or fight to get you know, certain kinds of

1187
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: representation on the show against the will of like her executives.

1188
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, it's I think if

1189
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: we were to make if we were to you know,

1190
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: reboot the show today, which like you know, they want

1191
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: to reboot everything, so it might not be that far.

1192
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: They've rebooted this twice already, Yes, exactly exactly. It's like

1193
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: who will the judge be next time? Who will the

1194
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: host be naming? But they would never tire would never

1195
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: think I think it's time for Tira to come back.

1196
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: I would do well, you know, she came back for

1197
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: like the last two seasons or something like that after

1198
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: Rita Aura. But it was they were trying to make

1199
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: it too modern to like it was. It wasn't working. Yeah, yeah,

1200
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to woke. It was really weird because

1201
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: it it became very social media heavy, so it was

1202
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: like you had to take your your selfees was like

1203
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: part of it. It was really Brian Boy was like

1204
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: the social media like representative or whatever. It was really

1205
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: interesting times to say that. Well, I guess now, like

1206
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: what would even how would it even work? Because modeling

1207
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: has changed so much. You know, I'm not here for

1208
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: like the woke of occasion of like most reboots, Like

1209
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, especially with like the end

1210
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: just like that of it all and things like that.

1211
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: But I do think that, you know, if the former

1212
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 1: iteration of like a and yeah kind of like profits

1213
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: off of and like corrupts, what are the worst parts

1214
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: of the modeling industry? I do think that there's a

1215
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: seamless way to instead like have it be like to

1216
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: highlight the industry's shortcomings and to like tell these girls

1217
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: that it's like something that you have to go through,

1218
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: but it's still it's like normal, Like there there was

1219
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: there was a way that Tyra could have affected change

1220
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 1: or could affect change, as opposed to just upholding existing

1221
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,440
Speaker 1: terrible things about the industry, you know what I mean. Um,

1222
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: but I mean the industry still is that terrible. I

1223
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: mean the guy because I think I think that she

1224
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: thought and she probably would still feel like she did

1225
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: effect change, right, because like it was it was hard

1226
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: and it was traumatic, and you know, like but I

1227
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: remember the bullshit that they put Takara through in season

1228
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 1: three as like the first real big girl right on

1229
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: the show. And then to see was I think with

1230
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: Psycho ten was Whitney who was the first and only

1231
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: plus size winner of Drag Race, Drag Race of Top Model,

1232
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: which I mean one and the same, Yeah, I here

1233
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: you go. Um. But like there there were instances where

1234
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: different types of beauties were featured on the show. Um,

1235
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: and some of them when we look at them today

1236
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: were like eel, that's disgusting. Like with Isis, for example,

1237
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: all of the ship around her is like um. But

1238
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:39,919
Speaker 1: you know, as times have changed, the show try to change.

1239
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever get another Top Model. I

1240
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: don't think we need that. I don't I don't want that. Um.

1241
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: But for what it was and what it did, I

1242
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: do think that it you know, it made some shifts,

1243
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: it did something. It was and very bad, very bad. UM.

1244
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: So Car is also a really good example of like

1245
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: how the women who really did win the show were

1246
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: the ones that could try and come about out of

1247
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: it as untraumatized as possible. And to Car was one

1248
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: of those women that just like refused to be gas

1249
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: like I think Brando was one of I think Jade

1250
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: was kind of like that, like like people. I think

1251
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: actually Tiffany was one of those girls too, because like

1252
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: there's this there's a challenge during her season where they're

1253
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: doing they have to do this shoot as like a

1254
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: tennis player, and they tell the photographer to be as

1255
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: mean to the girls as possible to kind of show

1256
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: them that they're always going to deal with assholes. And

1257
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: Tiffany was the only one that was like, you're being

1258
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: an asshole, you know. Like so like the girls that

1259
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: could say like, wait, this isn't reality, like there were

1260
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: there were girls who said I'm doing this on my turn. Yeah,

1261
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: and Danielle to like she refused to close her gap

1262
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: at first. She did, she didn't, you know she I

1263
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: think that was like kind of effective, but she did.

1264
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: She did close eventually. Yeah, but listen, I'm in this competition.

1265
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: It's free dental. Its free dental, you know, a free dental,

1266
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,839
Speaker 1: and like a like a free like Sally Hershberger haircut

1267
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 1: girl I would do and I would have a spider

1268
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: on my face for a sallyber cut. Oh yeah, you could.

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Speaker 1: You could put me in a grave and dress me

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Speaker 1: up a clown and I would go in a grave

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Speaker 1: just with not even for that's actually one of my

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Speaker 1: top like sexual fantasies is to have sex in an

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Speaker 1: open grave. That that track, So like okay, now, I

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Speaker 1: think I think the thing that's maybe freshest on Virgin's

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Speaker 1: minds are people that consume antim is like every like

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Speaker 1: I feel like you are probably have bared witness to

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Speaker 1: every iteration of it. But like every five years we

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Speaker 1: canceled Tyra, but like this most recent cancelation was like

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Speaker 1: very loud and happened to think during the pandemic because

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Speaker 1: I think the show was on Hulu or something, and

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Speaker 1: Tyra tweeted an apology that was not very effective. She said,

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Speaker 1: we messed up. Yeah, yeah, um. But then she I

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Speaker 1: was actually like shockingly moved by a YouTube apology that

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Speaker 1: she did around the same time. She was on some

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Speaker 1: YouTube show, and of course they brought up all the

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Speaker 1: controversy that was kind of circulating on social at this

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Speaker 1: time about things that have happened that were egregiously you know,

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Speaker 1: racist or fat phobic or transphobic or whatever. All of

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Speaker 1: the Albeism, all of them, all of the Obius and

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Speaker 1: Islam and she said, Um, you know, I have apologized

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Speaker 1: for this before. I feel like I've apologized for it

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Speaker 1: in my book, and I've apologized for on my TV show,

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Speaker 1: and I will continue to apologize for it every time

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Speaker 1: it comes up. She's like, it is my job too

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01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 1: apologize over and over because that is like what I

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Speaker 1: can do. That's like what I should do as someone

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Speaker 1: who's being held account And I'd never heard even though

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Speaker 1: ty relax a lot of nuance and a lot of

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Speaker 1: different I was actually so shook because I'd never heard

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Speaker 1: an apology. I've never heard a celebrity be that. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, say that there's humility

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Speaker 1: to Tyrade. I don't know exactly what she didn't. She didn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, bust out the notes up. And she's not

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Speaker 1: shirking responsibility, right, because that's what we often see, right.

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Speaker 1: It often is somebody being like, oh I was just

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Speaker 1: I was just a face for it, or you know,

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Speaker 1: the the network or or what or that was just

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Speaker 1: our that's how we did things at the time. It

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Speaker 1: is what it is type of energy. She's like taking

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Speaker 1: a little bit of response. She was like, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: did some fun the ship. Yeah we compatized them girl

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Speaker 1: up because I think if she did any of the

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Speaker 1: other stuff, she would also be shirking like the power

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Speaker 1: of it being her show, because like I think both

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Speaker 1: are true, Like, yes, they did funked up stuff under

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Speaker 1: her guidance, but also she created tell show that changed culture.

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Speaker 1: She created she also, I don't know if a lot

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Speaker 1: of people know this. Kenya Barris was also on the

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Speaker 1: ground root ground floor of America's Next top Mottel and

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Speaker 1: he would go on to do all of his foolishness

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Speaker 1: that he's doing right now so impact Tyra b look us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know Tyris, Like I still love Tyras so much.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I feel like the course any like anytime

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Speaker 1: someone calls for mother, I never had ever would want.

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Speaker 1: And she kind of played that part like she really

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Speaker 1: she would sit down with the girls and be like,

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Speaker 1: tell me about your when she stood up and barked

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Speaker 1: like a dog kid. Next week, we will be back

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Speaker 1: with a very special episode. We're gonna been up the

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Speaker 1: confessional and listen to and react to some of the

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Speaker 1: suggestions us been making. Very exciting um reminder that you

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Speaker 1: can call in and tell us what you want us

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Next, whether that's you know, a cultural phenomenon,

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Speaker 1: a movie, a book, um, you know, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: You can call at three to three pennants. That's three

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Speaker 1: to three seven three six two six two three. Leave

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Speaker 1: us a review on Apple Podcasts. Um. You can also

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Speaker 1: let us know they're what you want us to talk about,

1339
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: or you can just tell us what you think of

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Speaker 1: the show. If you think we're hot, I'm your co host,

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Speaker 1: Rose damn You. You can find me um on social

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Speaker 1: media at Rose damn You and I'm friend. You can

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Speaker 1: find me at France Wish go anywhere you want. Like

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Speaker 1: a Virgin is an I Heart Radio production. Our producer

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Speaker 1: is Figgy Intern with support from Lizzie Hoffman, Julian Weller,

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Speaker 1: Jess Crane, Chitch and Mickey You tour until next time.

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Speaker 1: See you, Letter Virgins. You want to be on top?

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Speaker 1: No we don't. No no, no, I really don't. Don't

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Speaker 1: make me do it. You want to be on the bottom, yes, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no