WEBVTT - How New Guilty Pleas Affect Trump Case in Georgia 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:08.440 This is Bloomberg Law with June Brusso from Bloomberg Radio. 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.160 We had begun our jury selection process this morning, but 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.200 I've been informed that there is a change of flea. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.079 For the second time in as many days, a lawyer 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.040 for Donald Trump took a plea on Friday in a 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:26.360 case accusing the former president and eighteen others of racketeering 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.840 as part of a scheme to keep Trump in power 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:30.920 after he lost the twenty twenty election. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.360 How do you plead to count fifteen conspiracy to commit 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.199 filing false documents in indictment number two three sc one 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.879 eight eight, nine four seven guilty. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.400 Kenneth Chesbro's plea to one felony charge came as jury 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.560 selection was getting underway in the trial, and a day 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.320 after fellow attorney Sidney Powell entered her own guilty plea 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.360 to six misdemeanor counts. The two guilty pleas, along with 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.920 a third from a bail bondsman last month, are victories 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.400 for a Fulton County District attorney, Finie Willis. The question 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.959 is how significant you're to answer? That question? Is Michael 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.039 Moore of Moore Hall, the former US attorney for the 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.480 Middle District of Georgia. So Michael, just how significant are 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:14.400 these three Please? 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.120 Well, anytime that there is a plea agreement where co 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.039 defendants agree to testify against a key defendant, that's a 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.520 big deal. But when you look at this endictment and 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.560 you look at the charges and specific the defendants who 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.920 have pled guilty, I'm not sure that this gets the 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.640 DA much further down the road. And really, this is 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.200 why the charges that Sidney Powell pled to were basically 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.200 dealing with a Coffee County issue and that part of 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.280 the state, and whether or not somebody access some voting 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.840 machines down there to do a review and whether or 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.000 not that was proper, I'm not sure anybody will ever 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.800 be able to put that directly back on the former president. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.320 When you look at the chessbro plea, he pleaded guilty 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.720 to charges surrounding the fake electors. And remember it was 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.320 really his legal memos that sort of set up the 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.320 idea of using this alternate slate of electors. And so 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.400 I think the former president would be able to say 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.600 I've relied on his advice and he told me what 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.640 to do, and you know, he was a lawyer, and 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.640 you know this kind of thing and they've done it 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.880 in Hawaii and it is different. But I just don't 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.000 know how far that goes. So there is some significance, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.480 and I think it's always useful information. You know, if 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.520 you think about a puzzle, you'd have to put all 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.519 the pieces together to see it. This is simply a 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.760 couple of pieces. But I think the DA will have 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.600 access to it may frankly become more useful to the 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.480 federal prosecution given what we know about that case, and 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.440 in that case it's a much more tailored type prosecution 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.480 with Trump as the defendant. And there may be some 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.360 information that Ms Powell has about individual meetings that she 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.640 had with the former president to give some context to 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.600 some of the allegations that special counsel is making. So 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.760 I don't think it was necessarily a game changer for 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.520 Fulton County, but it may be useful in Washington in 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:57.000 that case. 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.040 Okay, I have a lot of questions. The first is, so, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.560 for Bonnie Willis, was it really critical to avoid going 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.520 to trial with these two defendants and showcasing her evidence 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.080 to Trump? So was it more about that than it 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.160 was about the evidence they specifically might have? 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.600 I think so, I mean if you look at the 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.280 idea of having to put a case on to preview 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.120 the case and the complete book of evidence, if you will, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.239 for a more critical defendant. I don't think there was 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.840 any question that she didn't want to do that in 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.000 this case. And so to the extent that these two 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.280 defendants filed for some relief under the Speedy Trial Act 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.600 in the State of Georgia, which meant their case had 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.400 to be tried and started at least jury selected in October, 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.160 I think that put the DA a little bit under 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.360 the gun, and these were not two defendants were the 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.600 greatest cases that she wanted to go with first. So 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.040 what we saw then is a plea offer made. And 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.440 it's not uncommon for people to make plea offers. That's 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.720 sort of just playbook stuff for prosecutors. But we saw 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.200 a plea offer made that really was pretty insignificant. What 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:04.160 we saw obviously will misdemeanor please for miss Powell, and 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.600 a felony plea dealing with file and a paper and 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:12.160 preparing a paper for mister Chesbrook, both receiving probation, both 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.680 apparently being able to maintain their first defender of status 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.520 and so they'll have no criminal conviction at all, both 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.479 could vote, and both those kinds of things that we 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.000 think about often following a criminal conviction, those won't be 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.480 in place for them. So to think about this is 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.200 that these were the architects, or the masterminds, if you will, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:35.240 of the big election scheme and the fraud, the big life. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.280 The sentence of probation was pretty meager, especially then when 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.440 you stack that up against the sentences that we've seen 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.599 for some of the January the sixth defendants, who while 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.960 clearly that was at least it might beinion an insurrection 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.640 effort and an effort to go in and recav it 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.520 at the Capitol, but you're seeing many many of them 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.039 get jail time, which you have the people who came 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.640 up or who were responsible at least for the theories 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.440 and the stories that may have been the catalyst for 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.479 that day. They're getting dis demain or promoted sentences. So 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.440 it seems a lot, and that tells me that it 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.919 was likely that did not want this to be the 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.680 case that she put forward first. It also tells me 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.839 that now the judge will have another he had blocked 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.000 off I believe five months for the trial. This gives 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.600 some ability for them to maneuver and try to put 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.400 if they can squeeze another group of dependents in somewhere 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.159 in the first half of next year. I think you'll 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:28.200 see some effort to do that. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.200 Sidney Powell did have a lot of contact direct contact 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.960 with Trump, including that infamous Oval Office meeting where there 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.599 was screaming on December eighteenth of twenty twenty. So wouldn't 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.640 she be called at least to testify about her contacts 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:46.240 with Trump? 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.760 I think so, And I think she would do that 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:50.560 in the chords with the terms of any type of 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.560 pleague group. The question will be what information does she 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.520 give The help will really to prove in the rest 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.159 of the prosecution's case. And so she may say was 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.080 at the meeting and I was given my advice, and 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.760 people that the grove my advice that became heated. That 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:08.280 doesn't necessarily mean it's a criminal charge. So I think 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.599 she's looking at and they're probably considering her a being 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.359 a witness to again sort of give context to what 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.839 happened without necessarily being a key codefendant. Think about a 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.440 bank robbery case and you send your accomplice out to 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.400 buy the guns while you go steal the car. It's 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.000 going to be the getaway car, and then you meet 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.640 back at a certain place, you go in rob the bank. Well, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.160 clearly there's a great testimony to be had by one 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.160 defendant there against the other about what their role may 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.120 have been. I don't know, And frankly, we just don't know, 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.200 because there are parts of this case that we don't 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.600 have a complete vision to yet. But we don't know 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.720 how much information she has to directly sort of point 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.839 the finger Trump. There may be other people in the campaign. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.040 There may be other people that were there at that meeting. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.440 There may be other folks who she had contact with 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.719 about you know, we're going to look at these election 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.760 machines and that information be relevant, but it may not 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.719 be sort of the silver bullet that folks thought it 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:05.080 might be. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.919 Jess Brow's lawyer said his client had agreed to testify 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.160 against other co defendants, but he would be surprised if 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.960 you were called as a witness in any future case. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.480 He didn't snitch on anyone. He simply decided it was 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.400 time for him to put this behind him and go 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.120 on with his life. I mean, he didn't snitch on anyone. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.520 Well, that can be and I mean so somebody can 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.080 plead to an act. They could plead to conduct and 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.560 say yes, I did this, and while I may not 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.960 have believed that was wrong, you're telling me government that 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.760 was wrong. I did the conduct, so you charge me 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.160 with doing the act. So in this case, doing the 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.680 paperwork or whatever for the alternati electors. So I did that. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.560 If you're saying that's wrong, yes I did it, and 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.720 rather than go to trial, I'll let or so plea 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.600 and I'll testify that in fact I did it. But 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.480 it doesn't mean that that person has to have changed 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.000 their mind or changed their theory about why they So 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.280 you oftentimes see the defendants say, well, the government's got me. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.400 I did this. In fact, I did what they're saying. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.320 I had my own reasons for it, but this is 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.320 what I did it, and I do want to put 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.000 this behind me. I don't know how it could be 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.720 the I mean, he may not have snitched directly on somebody, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.600 but I think his testimony could come in and be 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:21.080 problematic for defendants certainly. So he may not have said, well, 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.200 John Doe, and I went to the printer and printed 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.600 these things off. You know, that would be directly snitching 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.360 on John Doe, but he may talk about the calls 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.040 that he made, the efforts that he had, the discussions 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.480 that he had to sort of implement this alternate slate 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.200 of electors. And at that point, and it's up to 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.800 the Trier fact which will likely be a jury to 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.160 decide whether or not those other defendants be off what 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.440 they did, based in part, at least upon some testimony 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:48.679 that print may give. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.720 I was wondering if Chesburrow's testimony would actually be more 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:58.200 dangerous for Johnny Spent or Rudy Giuliani, the other lawyers 0:08:58.360 --> 0:08:58.960 in the case. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.200 It could, and I thought his case was particularly unusual 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.400 in sense that you did have a lawyer charge of 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.760 criminal conduct for writing legal memoranium. And I think that 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.840 can be problematic and maybe a foreboding sign to other 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.160 lawyers who are charged in the case. You know, simply 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.520 because somebody has played guilty doesn't mean that they now 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.480 believe that the election was completely legitimate. And I think 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.640 that's maybe what people are thinking when they think about 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.439 the import of these particular pleas, like somehow these folks 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.480 have had a you know, come to Jesus moment and 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.280 have decided that everything they've ever done was wrong, and 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.640 it was all off or aught, And so they're entering 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.840 their plea that may not in fact be the case. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.480 They're required to acknowledge their criminal conduct or conduct in 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.800 a criminal case, but they're not necessarily required to give 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.760 up personally held beliefs, and so it may become it 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.319 may very become a fine life or prosecutor to walk 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.520 on with orn. I decided to call this witness because 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.600 they may say something that rings true with some potential juror, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.800 or they may say something that puts a cloud over 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.360 my allegations against another defend that you're that type of thing. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.160 And so that's why I say that it's always significant 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.040 to have co defendants flea, but it's not necessarily the 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.599 end of the case by any stretch of the imagination. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.720 Coming up, we'll talk about the implications for the federal case. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.400 This is Bloomberg attorney kennef Chesbro pleaded guilty to a 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.080 felony on Friday, just as jury selection was getting under 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.679 way and his trial on charges accusing him of participating 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.199 in efforts to overturn Donald Trump's loss in the twenty 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.120 twenty election in Georgia. His plea came a day after 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.120 fellow attorney Sidney Powell, who'd been scheduled to go to 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.800 trial alongside him, entered her own guilty plea to six 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.640 misdemeanor counts. I've been talking to Michael Moore of Moore Hall. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.400 You mentioned the Special Council's case. These two are also 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.080 co conspirators. I think it's three to five in the 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.560 Special Council's election interference case. Do you think the defense 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.120 has been in touch with the Special Council? I mean, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.680 do you plead in a state case when you have 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.400 exposure in a federal case. 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.240 I would think there has had to have been some discussions. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.080 I mean, but I also think there have been some 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.679 discussions between state prosecutors and federal prosecutors. You know that's 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.200 been pretty much disavowed. If they had any discussions, that 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.680 strikes me as strange and frankly out of the norm. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.040 So I would hope and expect that there was some 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.520 discussion about how these defendants would move forward in the 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.920 face and sort of the second Acts that was hanging 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.920 over their head, and that'd be in the federal case, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.960 so I do think. And then they may be called 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.800 to give testimony. And one thing to remember is they 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.600 are on probation in their own state probation here, Well, 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.640 one thing you can't do while your own probation has 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:39.000 commit other crimes. And so it would be a fool's 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.440 errand for them to go out and try to give 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.320 perjured testimony or false testimony in another court proceeding, especially 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.040 one in a federal court somewhere. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.439 Do you think the Special Council will try to give 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.760 them a deal or will end up indicting them based 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.439 on what they've pleaded to here. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.080 It would not surprise me if he simply tried to 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.240 give them some immunity for some testimony. And I say 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.920 that because it seems apparent to me the problems that 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:10.040 have been created by having a huge case with this 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.280 many defendants in Georgia into this Rico case. And I 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.040 think you saw Jack Smith's case, the Special Characters case 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.560 more narrowly tailored. And I think he recognizes, you know, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.319 I don't necessarily need to put all the menas in 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.080 the sea if I'm just going after the big fish 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.319 in my case. And I think that's that's what we're seeing. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.800 So I expect that they will use the leverage they 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.560 have over these dependents because of their probation and otherwise 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.640 to get them into a trupal testimony. I also think 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.599 you here in at some point acknowledge some type of 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.280 arrangement for their testimony he's made through their law game. 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.120 I've heard a lot that, you know, flipping encourages more 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.680 flipping encourages more flipping. Do you buy that that after 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:52.920 these three are going to see more. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:54.800 I think we're going to see more. But I don't 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.800 know that I attribute it just because somebody flipped. I mean, 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.480 you know, typically when you start flipping people on the 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.880 low end, there's not a lot of It's like tipping 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.240 over the dominoes at the end of the line. You know, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.800 there's just not a lot of movement after that. But 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.040 when you do tip a domino over, that's you know, 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:11.680 near the front of the line, that can make a 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.160 difference proposed further down. You may see a few people plead. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.360 But I mean, frankly, I really think that it was 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.600 the idea that you know, and if I were advising 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.200 these particular fits, it would have been, Look, can you 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.520 admit to this conduct? They're asking you to admit to it. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.880 That answer is yes, you're getting a misdemeanor. You know, 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.920 that's basically like a steam ticket at Georgia. You know, 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.120 they may be stacked on top of each other and 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.839 you're going to get twelve months probation for each one. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.960 But it's a misdemeanor. In miss Powerce case, in mister 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.920 Chessbrow's case, you know it's a felony, but you're not 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.120 gonna have a record because you can obey yourself with 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.720 certain first offendit of protection and that type of thing, 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.640 and so you know you can get this behind you. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.760 And the fines were nominal. I mean, they got to 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.160 write a letter of apology, you know, this kind of stuff. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.160 I don't know that that's that was something that I 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.280 feel like particularly compelling and the bi but okay, and 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.600 so it really was by all standards, I think a 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.240 good deal for these defendants to be able to basically 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.560 turn the page on this chapter. And so I don't 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.000 know that other defendants may get the same type of offer. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.840 I think the strategic move to file the speedy trial 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.640 demand played into the decision here, the fact that this 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.080 case is going to have to be tried. I think 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.320 all of this stuff was in the mix in the 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.120 state was willing to essentially let these two go, and 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.640 frankly too, because I think it was a tougher case. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.280 When you have lawyers sitting as defendants, you have unique 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.440 legal defenses that can be raised, and those are things 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.880 that the state may not want to deal with at 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.760 this point of the case, especially when they're looking at 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.240 other council like Eastman, Julian at that type of thing. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.480 So then you think, bottom line, Trump doesn't have that 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.680 much more to fear because these two flipped. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.680 Well, like I said, kind of at the houseset, it's 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.960 never a good day or a defendant to have is 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.760 or her co defendants flipped and start entering guilty please. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.880 And Trump has been sort of masterful in the way 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.800 he is controlled I think some witness and potential co defendants, 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.200 both by paying legal fees and you know, raising money 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.160 for him doing this kind of thing, And that is 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:08.720 one way I think he's trying to kind of keep 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.400 his timb on folks. But so I do think he 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.400 always has something to fear, and I think he has 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.880 to be thinking at this point, you know, I hope 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.520 this is the end. I don't think these folks are 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:18.960 going to hurt me, but I still need to be 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.760 aware of the possibility that other people who I may 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.240 not have as much influence with, they may in fact decide, 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:26.920 you know, that they're going to come forward with some 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.120 other you know, some of them more daming testimony. Ms 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.720 Powell's charges were so limited in the indictment, and you know, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.440 this was a very thorough indictment. And have they had 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.560 some additional overt acts? Have they had some additional predicate 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.400 acts that impacted her? I think we would have seen 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.920 that spelled out in the DA's case. But the allegations 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.320 that they made against Ms Powell were sort of specific 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.760 as it related to this incident in Coffee County, Georgia. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.360 The allegations against mister Chessbro, of course dealt with a 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:04.840 very new position relating to the alternative electors. Again, both 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.880 somewhat removed, I think from the former president. You know, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.360 there'll be a unique argument. I think that you will 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:12.760 hear and it will be a defense. I think you 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.760 may be seeing it somewhat now from Trump saying that 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:21.680 he wasn't represented by Sidney Powell. We may have in fact, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.200 now we may be seeing sort of the technical niceties 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.400 of who is the actual client. Is that Trump is 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.240 an individual? Is it or is it the Trump campaign 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.240 which Trump is not named as an individual, or is 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.880 it you know, another organization, And so we may start 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.520 seeing those maneuverings as well. It'll will be instancy who 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.880 Princess Mistyles says she was representing in a particular tie. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.480 Yeah, I was wondering when he said that she didn't 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.440 represent him. So where does that put his advice of 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.000 council defense? I mean, also, if all these people are pleading, 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.400 all his attorneys are pleading on him, are almost Yeah. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.760 I think that's a great that's a great question, and 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.680 I think it is also so maybe indicative of some 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.360 of the problems that we may see prosecutors have down 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.600 the road or jurors have as they think about the 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.600 case that is in the case and ultimately a pelic 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.040 courts on when you charge a president who basically is 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.040 a person sitting in an office that's getting advice from everybody, lawyer's, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.800 non lawyer's, cabinet people, chiefs of staff, you know, but 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.680 the lawyers are coming in telling them what to do. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.479 Does that mean he can't readily rely on that for 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.080 fear that he may They didn't represent him individually, but 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.280 they represented something to somebody that he may have been 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.000 associated with, or a group he may have been associated with. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.840 Does that mean that he loses that defense. I don't 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.040 think he does, because I think sort of the executive 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:39.520 privilege umbrella is made in fact to sort of cover 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.720 this very situation where you have advice coming from different people. 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.480 But it's a great point, and I think again it's 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.320 relevant because of the unique nature of this case and 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:53.000 bringing charges, especially the state charges against a former president 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.920 for conduct that occurred while he was a sitting president 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.800 of the United States, enjoying in fact that privilege. So 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.400 that's a question that I thank you. May find nine 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.280 folks and all a nice bench in Washington, d C. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:05.720 Making a decision about it. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.640 Some point sounds about right, Thanks so much, Michael. 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