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Speaker 1: Five years as an NFL head coach, Jets and Brown's

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Speaker 1: franchises that often have turmoil. The Buffalo Bills don't. Sean

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Speaker 1: mcdermot's the rare firing where even though he didn't have

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Speaker 1: a title after many years, a lot of the fans

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo did not like it. Eric Mangini is now

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Speaker 1: joining us live Fox Sports. Okay, let's let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: It was a little clunky at the press conference yesterday

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Speaker 1: and the press release was embarrassing. Were you comfortable as

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Speaker 1: a former coach with a firing.

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: I Actually I love when owners get up and give

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Speaker 4: a press conference because it gives you some insight into

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Speaker 4: the challenge that you have as a head.

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Speaker 3: Coach with some of the now you got.

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Speaker 4: You got a little peek in his conversations that take place.

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Speaker 4: But there's a lot of those things that you have

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Speaker 4: to navigate through with ownership, and you have an owner

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Speaker 4: that comes in and says, okay, I made the decision

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Speaker 4: in the moment, the most emotional moment you could get,

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Speaker 4: even though I felt like it was a catch which

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Speaker 4: would have won the game. And when you when you

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Speaker 4: hear things like that, it's just it's a precursor of

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Speaker 4: what's to come. And I think Sean McDermott maybe covered

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Speaker 4: up some of the meddling that that has gone on

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Speaker 4: in the organization.

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Speaker 3: Remember this group bought.

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Speaker 4: The Buffalo Sabers and there was a lot of hope

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Speaker 4: that when they bought the Sabers it would be really good.

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Speaker 4: And since they bought it, I think they've gone through

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Speaker 4: six head coaches and four gms and they had a

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Speaker 4: huge playoff drut. There's there's a track record here with

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Speaker 4: this owner group that maybe Sean's stability that he had

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Speaker 4: has has covered up and this could get a lot

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Speaker 4: worse before it gets better.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised when McDermott, in front of Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: and the owners suggested recently, I don't think we have

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl roster. I think we have some deficiencies

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Speaker 1: were you surprised that he would confront those guys.

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Speaker 4: No, you'd like to think that the GM and the

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Speaker 4: owner want to hear what you feel is the truth.

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Speaker 4: And when you have honest conversations, sometimes they're difficult conversations,

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Speaker 4: and you may disagree with my assessment, but I would

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Speaker 4: think that's what you would want from your head coach,

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Speaker 4: is what he feels is the truth about your situation.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise, how do you how do you ever get better?

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Speaker 4: If you're if you're constantly glossing over deficiencies because you're

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Speaker 4: worried about hurting people's feelings, then you have no chance

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Speaker 4: to grow. So go ahead, go hire someone that's a

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Speaker 4: yes man. Go hire someone that's gonna agree with every

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Speaker 4: personal decision. Go hire someone that's not going to have

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Speaker 4: conflict in the draft room or with free agency. And

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Speaker 4: typically what that gets is a whole lot of mediocrity.

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Speaker 4: And it's going to get possibly what they had in

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Speaker 4: Buffalo before McDermott got there, which was the longest NFL

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Speaker 3: You know to that point.

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Speaker 1: Now you know Brian Dable very well and you speak

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Speaker 1: very highly of him. Do you think he'd work in Buffalo?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, Brian is the ultimate Buffalo guy.

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Speaker 4: He grew up in Buffalo. He had literally work for

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Speaker 4: the Buffalo Tourism Bureau because he loves Buffalo so much.

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Speaker 4: So from that perspective, yeah, it's a great fit. He's

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Speaker 4: got a really good relationship with the most important player

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Speaker 4: and in my mind, did a significant amount to help

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Speaker 4: develop him from a fairly raw talent in college to

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how that cell would be in Buffalo

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Speaker 4: to move on from McDermott to Brian, and Brian being

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Look, I didn't agree with that either.

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Speaker 4: But so so there's a little there's that aspect of it,

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Speaker 4: and then it depends on how ownership feels about Brian's possibility.

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Speaker 4: To remember this is this is the guy that's going

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Speaker 3: The super Bowl and win the Super Bowl. Right now?

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think you know, Rabel, what what

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Speaker 1: do you think I mean to go? From last year

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Speaker 1: Drake May went from really promising to Wow, what do

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Speaker 1: you think Rabel's best asset is what I mean, He's

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Speaker 1: a tough guy. He's got a physical presence. You don't

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Speaker 1: and bottom line guy, you know. I mean, he's got

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Speaker 1: player friendly though. Uh, in all your workings and dealings

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Speaker 4: So So I coached Mike and and was there when

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Speaker 4: we brought him into New England. We originally brought Mike

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Speaker 4: the player that he was. He's what I can say,

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Speaker 4: Mike was one of the smartest, if not the smartest

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Speaker 4: player that I ever coached. And his ability to recall

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Speaker 4: things from from game plans you know that we had

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Speaker 3: And then he had the ability to.

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Speaker 4: He he could he could tease Bill Belichick in meetings

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Speaker 4: in a way that Bill would be okay with it,

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Speaker 4: so he could navigate through through that, which very few

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Speaker 4: players could do. Uh he and and it's a it's

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Speaker 4: a skill, so he could hang with the boys. He's

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Speaker 4: a guy's guy. He's got that element to it. He's

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Speaker 4: incredibly intelligent, and I think he has a level of

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Speaker 3: Hits with the players.

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Speaker 4: He understands what it's like to be a player, and

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Speaker 4: think the biggest thing column is he was part of

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Speaker 4: he left and he went to Ohio State and he

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Speaker 4: got a different perspective, and then he coached in Houston

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Speaker 3: Then he was a head coach in Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: He had that perspective, so he understands what it means

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Speaker 4: to be a patriot and to.

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Speaker 4: And he had all that experience with Bill and the

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Speaker 4: is what they needed to move on from Girod Mayo,

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Speaker 1: The Steelers awardedly boy, they like Mike McCarthy and I

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Speaker 1: hear about Chris Shooter. And my take is, you know,

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants and the Falcons got their coach,

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Speaker 1: which also means when you do it first, you get

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Speaker 1: the best receiver coach, the best coordinators, I mean Arthur

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Speaker 1: Blank and Lamar Finally now they're they're interviewing and writing checks.

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Speaker 1: Steelers just you know, they don't do this very often.

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Speaker 1: It's like that I said yesterday that Steelers have been

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Speaker 1: married for thirty five years. They're suddenly single. They don't

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Speaker 1: even know what a dating app is. They don't know

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. Look at the Steelers now, Eric, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, they don't do this. I mean, if you

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Speaker 4: Well, well, not necessarily. And the Ravens are in the

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Speaker 4: same boat. They haven't done it in what eighteen years,

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Speaker 4: so that both those organizations are going through that, and

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Speaker 4: because all these places that have openings, a lot of

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Speaker 4: but it's not necessarily true because guys are still under

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Speaker 1: Just a Belichick talk coming back into it. I don't

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Speaker 1: they have a strong GM. Maybe in next year and

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Speaker 1: that Bill wouldn't touch personnel, that would make sense.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's over to you think he's a viable candidate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know Nick was talking.

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Speaker 4: Nick Wright was talking about him possibly in Buffalo, and

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Speaker 4: I was much more like you where I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this isn't going to be a fit necessarily in the

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Speaker 4: It wasn't arousing endorsement, you know, coming off the lack

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Speaker 4: of success yet late in New England. But the reason

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Speaker 4: that I'd say that Buffalo could be a fit is

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Speaker 4: after watching ownership, I'm thinking, maybe you need to go

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Speaker 4: get a really strong guy that's not going to care

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Speaker 4: what He will not care what the owner says.

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Speaker 3: He it won't matter to him at all.

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Speaker 4: And even though he won't be in control of personnel

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Speaker 4: and Buffalo, he'll still be He'll be willing to push back,

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Speaker 4: but I can't imagine that that's what they're really looking for,

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Speaker 4: although Bill would be the most plug and play guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know in that in that division, it's a it's hot.

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Speaker 3: That's another hard sell for the for the fan base.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Seahawks Rams, It'll be on Fox. The I said,

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Speaker 1: if I get the older coach McVeigh, the more experienced

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Speaker 1: quarterback Stafford, Seattle's really young. This is a big, big spot.

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Speaker 1: And listen, they deserve all the credit in the world.

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Speaker 1: Now they're down to just one back they trust.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Both teams are remarkably healthy. But I do get in

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Speaker 1: some key spots. I mean, I Kevin Dotson and McVeigh. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Davonte Adams, They've got Seattle's young, DeMarcus Lawrence

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Speaker 1: in being in this game multiple times.

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Speaker 5: Or is that overstated?

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Speaker 4: He's done an amazing and amazing job in this game.

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Speaker 5: How do you think that works? And what will it

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Speaker 3: I was in the interview.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Eric Mangini as all as coach, great senior.

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Speaker 3: Colin great, seeing you too, stay warm over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just I think the Rams.

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Speaker 8: I've never heard you this hot for the hot stove

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Speaker 1: Well, man, I just I'm looking at the Yankees and

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Speaker 5: Why is that what?

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Speaker 10: Because they're not winning, They're not a threat. That's my

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Speaker 1: If the Dodgers lose Game seven, you wouldn't be nearly

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Speaker 8: By the way, do you think the NBA would love

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Speaker 10: Now they got a different championship every year. Like I

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Speaker 8: Is thrilled that the Dodgers are crushing it and have

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Speaker 10: Oh, everybody's talking Houston.

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Speaker 1: If health, he's going to be great, Cubs are better,

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Speaker 1: By the way, there again spending a ton of money.

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Speaker 5: It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in noon. Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: I've never been in a city where it's minus ten degrees,

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Speaker 5: At the end of the show, it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It will feel like tomorrow minus thirty five degrees. You

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Speaker 10: Wait, wait, come on, is that real? Minus thirty five.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's what it feels.

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Speaker 1: If Brady wasn't on the show tomorrow, I may just

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Speaker 5: Tell the bosses whooping cough.

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Speaker 10: Well, are you sure? Are you in Chicago or Greenland

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Speaker 10: Where are you broadcasting from? I am minus thirty five.

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Speaker 5: I went to Iceland two summers ago.

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Speaker 1: Iceland's great in the summer. Chicago is terrific in the summer.

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Speaker 1: So tomorrow is going to be uh, you know, life

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Speaker 2: Turn on the news. This is the headline news.

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Speaker 8: All right, let's start with the NFC Championship game. Because

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Speaker 8: I did not know this awesome fact. Our staff got

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Speaker 8: Davante Adams and the Rams are playing the Seahawks.

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Speaker 10: Did you know that.

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Speaker 8: This is his fifth NFC Championship game. Colin Davante Adams

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Speaker 8: zero to four in the NFC Championship Game, has never

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Speaker 8: played in a Super Bowl heres, but here he is

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Speaker 8: talking to the media about that.

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Speaker 5: Fifth pip Yes, oh, okay, fifth SC title.

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Speaker 3: Game the Super Bowls.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so I should reminder, haven't been here so many

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Speaker 9: times and understanding exactly what it takes to you know,

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Speaker 9: get where world'imately trying to go. So it's obviously exciting

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Speaker 9: to achieve, you know, the minor goals along the way

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Speaker 9: that you ultimately need to do to get where you

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Speaker 9: want to be. But it just feels like almost like

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Speaker 9: a mythical thing to me at this point, you know,

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Speaker 9: like you do everything you can to get there, and

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Speaker 9: it's been it's been so hard and been working so

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Speaker 9: hard at it.

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Speaker 5: So we're close. We just got to finish it off.

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Speaker 1: He's been banged up in the second half, but when

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Speaker 1: he was healthy this year and has been healthy, he

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Speaker 1: is a red zone weapon.

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Speaker 8: He is hard led the NFL and receiving touchdowns with fourteen,

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Speaker 8: but did not play Week sixteen. Colin I looked up

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Speaker 8: his four NFC Championship games and the stats. So the

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Speaker 8: one rookie year against Seattle, he had one catch for

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Speaker 8: seven yards. A couple of years later against Atlanta, remember

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Speaker 8: that blowout, Matt Ryan and company had three catches sixteen yards.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he did have a good one against Kaepernick.

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Speaker 8: They got smoked nine for one thirty eight and then

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Speaker 8: won against Tampa and Tom Brady remember that kid.

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Speaker 10: That was a crazy game.

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Speaker 8: I get nine for sixty seven, so four NFC title

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Speaker 8: games only one touchdown for Devonte.

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Speaker 1: Well, he takes a beating. I mean this guy he

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Speaker 1: is built tough, like the truck commercial.

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Speaker 9: He is.

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Speaker 1: He has built hard and tough. This guy takes a beating.

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Speaker 1: I mean he gets flattened because he's willing to go

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Speaker 1: places a lot of guys aren't willing to go. So

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Speaker 1: I just have a lot of respect for the how

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Speaker 1: he plays. He's hurt a lot, but he's willing to

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Speaker 1: make tough catches. And he has been blistered about four

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Speaker 1: times in the second half of the season and like

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Speaker 1: bloody lip and your wonder if the face mask is

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Speaker 1: still attached.

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Speaker 5: He is, he is built for it.

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Speaker 1: He's one of those guys. He is you know, say

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Speaker 1: the same for Puka, Puka and Davonte. I mean they

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Speaker 1: are hard to bring down. They are difficult guys to defend.

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Speaker 1: They're just stronger. I mean some guys just you know,

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Speaker 1: and maybe it's a lot of receivers but not a

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Speaker 1: lot of body fat. Just you can see how great

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Speaker 1: a shape they're in. And he is, he is built

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Speaker 1: for it. He is a tough player.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, really impressive stuff.

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Speaker 8: All right, let's go to Denver, the other championship game

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Speaker 8: that nobody's really talking about.

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Speaker 5: JAREDT.

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Speaker 8: Stidham colin as your starting quarterback. He's stepping in for

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Speaker 8: bow Nicks. I gotta say, some of these Stidham takes

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Speaker 8: are getting a little wacky. I want to remind people

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Speaker 8: he has not thrown a pass in the NFL since

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Speaker 8: December twenty twenty three, not thrown a pass. And by

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Speaker 8: the way, that was a week week eighteen game that

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Speaker 8: didn't matter.

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Speaker 10: It was all backups.

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Speaker 8: Nevertheless, Sean Payton says he's built for this moment.

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Speaker 11: That's his personality. He's gonna he's gonna rip it, you know,

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Speaker 11: and that'll be our approach. I mean, hey, he's got

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Speaker 11: this calm demeanor that I think suits him well. He's

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Speaker 11: played in big games college and you know, I said

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Speaker 11: this at the start of the season, I felt like

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Speaker 11: our two was inside the best thirty two.

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Speaker 5: I think you know why not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I will say that the smart teams in

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Speaker 1: this league do a good job of having good backups.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, Garoppolo doesn't he back up

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Speaker 1: Stafford if Stafford went down in the fourth quarter. Garoppolo's

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Speaker 1: made a lot of big throws at a lot of

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Speaker 1: big games. Jared Stidham, he signed to a twelve million

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Speaker 1: dollar deal when they had Russell Wilson's salary on the

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Speaker 1: books for multiple years. So I say this all the time.

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Speaker 1: I just trust Shanahan like Garoppolo. McVay likes Garoppolo. I

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Speaker 1: think Garoppolo's got some talent. Jarrett Stoodham Sean Payton, with

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson making a fortune, said, now I'm gonna pay

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Speaker 1: that guy too. I'm gonna pay him, so I trust

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Speaker 1: that he's going to be pretty solid. I mean, my

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Speaker 1: guess is again, when it comes to quarterbacks, everybody was

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Speaker 1: bailing on Donald. Shanahan wasn't, Kevin O'Connell wasn't, Mike McDonald wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Like, I trust who the smart coach is.

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Speaker 8: Like just a quick fact check, Jimmy Garoppolo is a

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Speaker 8: starting quarterback who went to the Super Bowl, okay with

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Speaker 8: the Niners in Shanahan and.

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Speaker 10: On Peyton's point about he played in some big games

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Speaker 10: in college, so I looked it up.

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Speaker 8: Jarrett Stidham lost a Peach Bowl to the UCF Knights

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Speaker 8: and then won a Music City Bowl against the person Domon.

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Speaker 10: Sorry Purdue, So let's settle down, Sean with the big games. Okay,

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Speaker 10: he hasn't thrown.

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Speaker 8: A pass, no live action bullets in the last two seasons.

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Speaker 8: He goes in for a couple of kneel downs. Colin,

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Speaker 8: this is a humongous step up in class for Jared

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Speaker 8: Sidham and he's facing vrabel and a pretty damn good

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Speaker 8: defense that their defensive front, you can't run on them.

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Speaker 10: Since Milton Williams came back.

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Speaker 8: I think they've given up sixty three total rushing yards

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Speaker 8: in two games. So now a quarterback who hasn't brought

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Speaker 8: to pass it two years is face has no run game.

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Speaker 3: What's it?

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Speaker 10: What's he doing here?

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Speaker 1: This is just.

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Speaker 10: I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 8: I think we both are looking to make a case

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Speaker 8: for the dog. But if you give me a touchdown,

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Speaker 8: maybe maybe I'll take them. Final story, Colin, it's over

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Speaker 8: for Brandon Ayuk in San Francisco forty nine or GM.

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Speaker 10: John Lynch made.

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Speaker 8: That clear yesterday when he was asked about Ayuk's outlook

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Speaker 8: with the team.

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Speaker 12: It's safe to say that he that you know, he's

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Speaker 12: played his last snap with the Niners. It's unfortunate, you know,

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Speaker 12: situation that just went awry, and you know, we I

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Speaker 12: will look long and hard at you know what, what

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Speaker 12: could have been done differently, But sometimes just doesn't work out.

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Speaker 12: And I think that this was this is a case

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Speaker 12: where that happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've they've been a little too willing in San

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Speaker 1: Francisco to pay receivers.

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Speaker 8: I don't say say more, well, I mean I don't

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Speaker 8: they kind of they got hoodwink by the guy.

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Speaker 10: Remember he scrubbed his social media. He acted like you

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Speaker 10: I want to be in.

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Speaker 8: San fran He said all the right things, got the bag,

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Speaker 8: and then basically dipped out.

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Speaker 2: Colin.

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Speaker 10: He's not returning text messages from the coach. I know

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Speaker 10: what the hell is that?

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Speaker 5: Well, when I.

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Speaker 8: Stopped, when I stopped responding to your text, you can

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Speaker 8: know that I'm checked out.

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Speaker 10: I got the bag and I'm not I'm not coming

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Speaker 10: back to work.

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Speaker 8: Like that's not a professional wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Well receivers, you know, there's big personalities at that position.

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Speaker 5: They want to be respected.

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Speaker 8: So I don't know, you got to earn respect, you know,

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Speaker 8: I just don't give you all. I had a one

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Speaker 8: hundred thousand yard season. Give me all the money. I mean,

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Speaker 8: Niner's got a lot of cleanup to do with this guy.

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Speaker 8: I don't know where who takes a chance on this guy,

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Speaker 8: somebody desperate.

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Speaker 1: Well he'll have a market. Talent has a market. He's

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Speaker 1: telling not playing a lot lately, but he's got a market.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Joe Shane, Joe Shane, pick up the phone called

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Speaker 10: Brandon grab.

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Speaker 5: It's not what we need for the culture in New York.

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Speaker 5: Ah Jmack of.

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Speaker 2: The news, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that.

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Speaker 2: The herd Line News.

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Speaker 5: Good games. It's Tom Brady's on tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I said that, Yeah, I'm being soft on this negative

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Speaker 1: ten stuff feels like minus thirty five.

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Speaker 5: It's called Jackets coats.

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Speaker 1: Although I will say somebody told me today they often

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Speaker 1: change the train schedule when it gets real cold, like

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Speaker 1: they have to go, they can change it and modify

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Speaker 1: the train schedule. So now I'm not hitchhiking to work.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not exactly sure how I'm gonna get here,

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Speaker 1: but it will be. You know what you got Brady

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Speaker 1: on You just make it happen.

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Speaker 5: You just gonna make it happen, you know, speaking of Rams.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks. We had Greg Cosell on about an hour

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Speaker 1: and a half ago. The Rams have moved the ball

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Speaker 1: in Seattle, and the Rams have run the ball in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: and that's just not what anybody can do. Because Seattle's

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Speaker 1: interior d line has been outstanding. They have hit on

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Speaker 1: so many draft picks. They just it's a roster. And

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Speaker 1: then when they got Rashid Sahat at the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: their special teams got jet fuel. So I mean Christian

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey in two games in the last month was invisible

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Speaker 1: against Seattle, like just where is he? Here? Was Greg

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Speaker 1: Kosel earlier on the Seahawks prepping for the Rams.

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Speaker 7: Walker's been much better. Walker has been attacking downhill much

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Speaker 7: more so over the last three four games, and that

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Speaker 7: has allowed them to stay on schedule. And it's also

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Speaker 7: with their defense allowed Donald not to have to throw

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Speaker 7: that many balls. Now, whether that happens in this game,

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Speaker 7: that's hard to know. You don't know how it's going

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Speaker 7: to play out. But in an ideal world, I don't

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Speaker 7: think they want Sam Donald dropping back thirty five times.

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Speaker 7: I think they want it to be a very balanced

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Speaker 7: offense and have their defense in some ways control the

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Speaker 7: paying tempo of the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think, And that sounds like a shot

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Speaker 1: at Darnold. But by and large, outside of I mean,

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Speaker 1: even Josh Allen, as good as Josh Allen is, it

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Speaker 1: feels like Josh Allen is pressing, trying to do do

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Speaker 1: much and how many turnovers did he have this weekend?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: So, I don't think. I mean Brady was the exception.

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Speaker 1: He never threw a lot of picks. Mahomes doesn't throw

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Speaker 1: a lot of picks most. I mean Jalen Hurts. I

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Speaker 1: mean Dak Prescott's a great example. Dak's very good. There's

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Speaker 1: some stat with Dak Prescott. If you make him throw

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Speaker 1: it's like thirty seven times and over he's a sub

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Speaker 1: five hundred quarterback. It's like thirty six times and fewer.

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Speaker 1: He's got a great record. So I think for most

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this league, maybe Stafford is one of those exceptions.

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Speaker 1: I think you want him throwing about twenty seven twenty

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Speaker 1: eight times. You want a really good run game. You know,

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Speaker 1: Zach Charboney, that running back Michigan UC to the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: He's been good against the Rams. He's not playing that

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Speaker 1: doesn't help. It's got a little bit of depth there

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Speaker 1: at running back atch Walker's offense, though from behind center.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to go down as one for

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Speaker 1: the Ages, and Tom Brady stops by tomorrow break it

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Speaker 1: all down. He'll be doing that game with the KB

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Speaker 1: Kevin Burkhart, We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: On Friday. I hope I can get here.