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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is they call me Ben. We are joined with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul cape Cod deck it. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. A Wicked Hat episode,

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Speaker 1: The only way. We might run into a few of

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Speaker 1: those accents and today's show. So, by the way, at

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Speaker 1: agree with you, guys, Mom, I love it. Give us

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Speaker 1: attempting to add a little bit of levity to what

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Speaker 1: is going to be a story riddled with tragedy, lousy

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Speaker 1: with disaster, replete, and overflowing with untimely death. Today we

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Speaker 1: are talking about the Kennedy family, one of the most

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Speaker 1: influential political dynasties in recent US history. They're on the

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Speaker 1: The people would also often cite the years of the

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Speaker 1: Did you guys see there was a meme flitting around.

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Speaker 1: that I have not seen that one. Noute. Well, according

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Speaker 1: to some, despite their tremendous success in the world of

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Speaker 1: dark side. That's also not a debate. But today's question

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Speaker 1: is the Kennedy family cursed? I I don't know many

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Speaker 1: people have heard about this, Matt. I think you brought

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Speaker 1: these tragedies. But first we have to learn about who

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Speaker 1: their early timeline. Surprise, surprise, there they there. They come

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Speaker 1: we can recommend a book called The Patriarch, The Remarkable

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Speaker 1: Life and Turbulent Times of Joseph P. Kennedy if you

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Speaker 1: And he he went on to work as a US

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Speaker 1: about some of the notable individuals of the Kennedy clan. Right, First,

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Speaker 1: it gets crazy. So how did this curse begin? If

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Speaker 1: by Ted Kennedy, who survives and somehow retains a political career.

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Speaker 1: But that is commonly considered to be the nail in

425
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: the coffin of his presidential ambitions. Yeah. But again, somehow,

426
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: I would say, rightly, so, yeah, but then you're right,

427
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: somehow ended up being one of the most beloved senators

428
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: out there. Somehow soon we forget so, uh, what else

429
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: we have? Because this isn't all of it yet, is it? No? No,

430
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: we're still going through all this. Okay, you have Michael L. Kennedy.

431
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: He's one of Robert Robert Kennedy's children. He dies in

432
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: a skiing accident of all things, out in Colorado and

433
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: Apparently there was this Kennedy tradition of doing downhill skiing

434
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: while playing American football. So it's this weird thing where

435
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: they would split up the like if you're looking at

436
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: the whole slope, they would split the slope up into

437
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: varying fields. So like when you're in this section, you're

438
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: in one field and you can score, then you're in

439
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: this section, you can score in this field, and it

440
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: just kind of goes down, down, down. So what you're saying,

441
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: mad is that he was asking for it. No jeez, no, no, okay,

442
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: I misunderstood your meaning. I will I will say that. Uh.

443
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: Some onlookers who would view the this Kennedy tradition of

444
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: playing this game thought it was extremely dangerous. That's what

445
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It sounds it sounds really dumb. Michael lemoy

446
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: and Kennedy, why are you doing middle name? Well, the

447
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: the strange thing is that you get rid of your

448
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: polls because you need your hands to catch the football

449
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: and to throw it, and you're just going down these

450
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: big slopes and you're looking behind you sometimes to throw

451
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: the ball, looking ahead of you to throw the ball.

452
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, he unfortunately hit a tree in thirty nine, right, Yeah,

453
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: to come to his injuries that way nine years old.

454
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: And uh, then there's another aircraft incident, I believe. Oh, yes, yes,

455
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: this is John F. Kennedy Jr. Yes, that's what his

456
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: parents probably called him. They probably just screamed Junior at him,

457
00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: Julia Junior, study wicked hot. Yes, so John F. Kennedy's son,

458
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: the Jr. He was on his way to Martha's vineyard

459
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: up there in Cape Cod again flying a light plane,

460
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: like a small plane, and he crashed. He after he

461
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: got a little disoriented. I guess while he was in flight.

462
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: He was flying at night, which is you know, a

463
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: little dangerous because if your instruments go bad, it's it's

464
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: pretty rough out there. He ended up crashing the ocean

465
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: and he died there. Yes, it seems like these Kennedy's

466
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: were risk takers. True. True. Uh, there's more to the

467
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: story too, because this is just scratching the surface. I'm

468
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: sure you can figure out what we're going to dive

469
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: into next. But see if you're correct, you're not. After

470
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: this break, we have returned, and we must also acknowledge

471
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: the most widely known untimely deaths in the Kennedy Those

472
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: are the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in November twenty,

473
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, as he rides through Dallas, Texas. Lee

474
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald, who we later discover um was his assassin,

475
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: is gunned down at a police station two days later.

476
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: And this created, as we on this show, in this community,

477
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: very well known widespread conspiracies about the president's death. You

478
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: know where where was there more than one shooter? Was

479
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: he taken out by the government. I mean, it's too long,

480
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: dag Yes and his brother Robert F. Kennedy. Look, it

481
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you consider yourself a fan of the

482
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Speaker 1: Kennedy's or not. They were super into nepotism, and nepotism

483
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: is poisonous for the type of government that we are

484
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: supposed to have. I just have to put that in there.

485
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: I know that these people passed, I know these assassinations

486
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: were unjust, but it's doing everyone at disservice if we

487
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: ignore the fact that nepotism is a very, very bad thing.

488
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: You feel very strongly about this, Ben, You've mentioned it

489
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: before him, absolutely, and I will continue mentioning it until

490
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: somebody with a problem gets their brother or their cousin

491
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: in office and shuts down our show because it matters

492
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: that much. I hope I'm not poking the bear too

493
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: much here, guys. But regardless of the bear can take it.

494
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're I'm not saying that they're

495
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: inherently bad. Robert Robert F. Kennedy is the attorney general, right,

496
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: so he's holding one of the highest offices in the

497
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: land legally speaking, while his brother is arguably holding one

498
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: of the highest offices in the world. This is weird.

499
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: That's weird. Now, this is this whole thing him and

500
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: he gets he gets a bullet too. He gets an

501
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: assassin's bullet too. I mean assassinations in US politics. I

502
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: don't see them as being wide rife. No, they're relatively rare. Yeah,

503
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: so he is. He's thirty eight years old when and

504
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: he is calling for further investigations into the jfk assassination

505
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: because he believes there's more to the story. Like the

506
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: majority of Americans in the wake of the jfk assassination,

507
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: he thinks someone is lying. And on June six, ninety eight,

508
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: he is assassinated after winning the California Democratic primary. The

509
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: gunmen Sir Han Sir Han is alive now as we record.

510
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: This isn't this the one where he was supposedly some

511
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: kind of Manchurian candidate. He has at least maintained that

512
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: he has no memory of this, that he was programmed somehow,

513
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: and they are also. He also argues that forensic evidence

514
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: and eyewitness reports of the shooting back up his story

515
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: that he was not the fatal shooter. It's fascinating you

516
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: start digging into it. I don't remember if we've done

517
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: a huge thing on here and here did something? I

518
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: know we talked about it. Yeah, it may have been

519
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: like a like a hodgepodge kind of episode, but I

520
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: definitely remember talking about this sleeper age and kind of stuff. Yeah,

521
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: which is frightening. And the big question is can you

522
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: pull it off? How how much? It's I guess it's

523
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: more a degree of uh compulsion. It's not can we

524
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: make people do things it would not ordinarily do without

525
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: their own knowledge of their actions. That's how advertising works.

526
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: The question is how far can we push it? Well?

527
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: Can I take it just to quick aside in service

528
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: of this story, have you guys seen the latest Darren

529
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: Brown special on that miracle miracle? Yeah? And you, guys,

530
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: if you don't know who Darren Brown is, he is

531
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: what is deemed a mentalist. He is an expert at

532
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: everything from hypnosis to some more kind of sketchy pseudoscience.

533
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: He thinks he's accused of doing. There's a new linguistic programming.

534
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: I think is one of them. And he is a

535
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: master of implanting ideas into his subjects heads, and he

536
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: is very good at picking out who will be most

537
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: susceptible to said implanted ideas. And when you see him

538
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: do his thing, it's hard to like poo pooh it

539
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: and it it really does make me think, like what

540
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: you're saying, Ben, how far could you push that if

541
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: you weren't just a showman trying to make a cool

542
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: Netflix special. I have followed that guy for years. Same

543
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: I think longtime listeners have heard us mentioned some of

544
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: his cooler tricks. It's weird that all of a sudden, though,

545
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: he's getting Netflix specials and he's been around for twenty years.

546
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: You think it's us, you guys, hope so. I'd like

547
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: to think so, But for our purposes, I think the

548
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: fantastic players. There's so many questions that remain about these assassinations. Uh.

549
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: We got pretty cautiously optimistic earlier this year when some

550
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: UH formally classified statements about the JFK assassination were due

551
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: to be released, but not much, not much CA there

552
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: wasn't much in there. Yeah. Yeah, like that old Onion

553
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: article where the CIA says they found out they've been

554
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: using black highlighters for the past few decades. So these

555
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: are the two most popular ones, but there are other

556
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: stories that get ignored, And we would be remiss if

557
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: we did not point out a story a tragedy in

558
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: the Kennedy family that for decades was just not talked about,

559
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: not just not talked about by the Kennedy's themselves, but

560
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: not talked about by their support staff, the various I

561
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: guess people that they bound to obey them or however

562
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: you would describe that relationship. Uh. And they the President

563
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: talked about it either. And that is Rosemary Kennedy, who

564
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: was one of the daughters of Rose Kennedy and daughter

565
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: of Joe Kennedy. She was arguably intellectually disabled in a

566
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: family a very high standards, and her father scheduled a

567
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: lobotomy for her, of course without her consent. A catastrophic

568
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: operation that left her with the mental capacity of a toddler.

569
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: Well yeah, when she I think she was twenty three

570
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: one in this predates all the other stuff. So there's

571
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: also some rumors out there that maybe again you kind

572
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: of gotta go out on a limb for this stuff,

573
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: but maybe somehow she's taking revenge on her family. Oh yeah,

574
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: such a barbaric thing to do to someone. And you know,

575
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: it was just such a blind shot in the dark,

576
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, just nothing backing it up. What would they

577
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: have said was a reason that this would be a

578
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: good thing to do. Well, by the way she was

579
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: assertive and she was rebellious as she was getting older,

580
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: so like she was endangering the Kennedy name. Essentially, she

581
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: had ideas seriously so this and didn't perhaps have the

582
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: sense of nuanced diplomacy and brand building that these folks

583
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: were doing on their way to becoming your next American empire.

584
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: So the way it was most likely sold was this

585
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: will make her more amenable and docile. That's the way

586
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: people handle a botomies. Oh my god, it'll help them

587
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: be calm forever. Yeah, spoiler alert for one flew over

588
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: the cuckoo's nest like that time and one flew over

589
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: the cuckoo's nest. There you go. Oh man, that's such

590
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: a great book. By the way that I think, I

591
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: think this is the best horror movie version of the

592
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: Kennedy Curse is that they do this horrible thing to

593
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: their one child, and it's kept a secret, and she's

594
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: actually somehow taking especially the one child being somewhat precocious

595
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: and willful. I guess, and you know, and then I'm

596
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: going to shut you down. You didn't think I was

597
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: good enough to be part of your you know, family line. Well,

598
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: here we that's a very compelling Yeah, that's that's a

599
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: very compelling story that I have to ask you, guys

600
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: and everyone listening. Do you all believe in something like karma?

601
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a possibility. I don't know. It's

602
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a name we give for something very

603
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: ephemeral and and indescribable. I said to someone the other day.

604
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: God is the name we give for improbable happenstance, you

605
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean, where like things just line up

606
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: in a certain way, things work out, and you call

607
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: it God or something. That's just how I see this.

608
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: Very similarly, it is the opposite though things aligne in

609
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: a very horrible way over a long period of time,

610
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: a dark coincidence. I don't know if bad things happen

611
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: to people who deserve them. I think often people who

612
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: are not constrained by things like empathy or the human

613
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: race being viewed as a team sport. I think they

614
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: go around doing terrible things without foreseeable or predictable consequence

615
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: because they just steamroll or anyone that's in their way

616
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: and they have no uh scruples. Yeah, you hear that. Kids,

617
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: That's how you get ahead in life. You don't be nice,

618
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: You become a steam roller, and then you hit go

619
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: and that's it done until until the good, the good

620
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: guys who do exist find you and stop you. It's

621
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: just I don't know, Well, it's hard to stop a

622
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: steam roller. The only way you can really stop a

623
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: steamroller is if you got a hill, then you're good man.

624
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: Or with a bigger steam roller, there you go. Yeah,

625
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: like a giant zamboni. I know they're not steam rollers.

626
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, zam bony, have you seen

627
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: there are fantastic inventions? Makes me think of a magician? Yes, yeah,

628
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: uh Zamboni. Right, that's the ice. You know, you got

629
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: just the great zamboni, you know. So also, to be

630
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: fair to the controversial figure of Joe Kennedy, it is

631
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: completely possible that they legit at Lee thought this would

632
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: help that they wouldn't be crippling their daughter. Yeah, when

633
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: you have a doctor telling you this is a little

634
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: helperth No, I know even today, we we we just

635
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: we take the doctor's word and face value. Even with that,

636
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to our own health, it's so easy

637
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: to just like, well, this is you're you're the expert.

638
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: This company is paying me to tell you that this

639
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: drug is awesome for what you got. Did you see

640
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: that thing where an artist put a giant sculpture of

641
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: a heroin spoon outside of that company that makes all

642
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: the opioids we got arrested for like impeding a thoroughfare.

643
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: It's like a really clause. What's the company's name now?

644
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It's not Bear, is it? No? Hang,

645
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: it was the Purdue, the Purdue Family Pharmaceutical Company. Not

646
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: the chicken. Not the chicken, No, not the chip, not

647
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: to align the chicken produce that there they are unrelated

648
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: to the opiate produce. But you know what's A great

649
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: point about that is there a lot of people with

650
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: the last named Kennedy who are not themselves related to

651
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: these Kennedy's, so we should we should point that out.

652
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: We should also ask is this a true curse or

653
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: is this just a murky set of terrible, indefensible coincidences.

654
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: Skeptics argue that what appears to be a curse is

655
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: more likely just cherry picking. We're only finding notably tragic

656
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: events from this huge family, and that it's also not

657
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: improbable or even unlikely for a similar large family to

658
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: have similar disasters, regardless of their social standing. So if

659
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: we just expand our sample size large enough from that

660
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: Smith knew you an example or whatever, then will eventually

661
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: be able to find someone who is in a plane crash,

662
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: someone who got a very specific type of cancer. It's

663
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: the same even when you start tracing people's lineages and

664
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, everyone's related to everyone. Right,

665
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: long enough timeline, big enough sample size, stuff happens. Right.

666
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: But you guys, I'm just gonna ask you, Matt, curses

667
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: do you do I believe in them? Oh? Man, that's tough,

668
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: because if you don't believe in curses, you better believe

669
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: you're getting cursed. But no, I I don't really believe

670
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: in curses. But that's just because I guess my life

671
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: has been pretty good so far. So you know, yeah,

672
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: what about you know, there's compelling stuff out there. I'm

673
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: always a little bit of offense sitter when it comes

674
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: to this kind of stuff. But I don't know. Sometimes

675
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I sometimes I feel pulled in one way or the

676
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: other depending on what I'm looking at, you know what

677
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I try not to have

678
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: a hard fast no to anything. I try to be

679
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: open now, I just in general, you know, Like you know,

680
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm definitely skeptical about a lot of things, but I

681
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: am always open to being convinced otherwise. And when you

682
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: look at this stuff just stacked up the way we

683
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: looked at it, sums up well, I don't know, here's

684
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: the deal, do you? What do you think? Ben? Oh? Well, okay,

685
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: So in full disclosure, I should say that various parts

686
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: of my family do completely believe in this, for various

687
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: reasons that we will not get into. But Ted Kennedy

688
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: himself seemed to believe that there was a cursive foot

689
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: He publicly mentioned the phrase in nineteen nine, when he

690
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: was testifying about that time that he abandoned and drowned

691
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: Mary Joe Copectney. That curse that you know, befell him

692
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: as he escaped, And yeah, I gotta be really tough

693
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: for him to again his cushy job to again leave

694
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: a woman in a car to die of his fhyxiation

695
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: just for taking ride with him. That's what he did.

696
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he didn't do good legislation, but

697
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: he also again abandoned, somewhat left him in a car

698
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: to die, basically got away with murder and got away

699
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: with Yeah, so let's let's just play the clip. You

700
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: can hear him say it's a curse, Whether some awful

701
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: curse did actually hang over all the Kennedys, whether there

702
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: was some justifiable reason for me to doubt what had

703
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: happened and to delay my report. And to your question, no,

704
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: there's another factor here, and it's one that doesn't often

705
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: get seriously considered in the mass media. Because we call

706
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: something a curse, we're conjuring these images right of this,

707
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: this nefarious warlock, a sorcerer, a witch, the evil eye,

708
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: a pox on your house, and all all these highly

709
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: dramatic fictional stuff. Yeah, grim wise, I have newt right uh,

710
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: secret secret arcane markings in the house where you can't

711
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: see wright written in blood, written in blood. Grandma's You

712
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: ever been cursed by a grandma? That's pretty that's the

713
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: worst kind of curse. The grandmother curse, the worst kind

714
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: of curse in the first the words of a g

715
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: a mother. Right, so hold the horses, she's heading for

716
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: the buck wheat. That's how my grandmother cursed. But there

717
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: there can be something foul foot the functions like a

718
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: curse without it necessarily being supernatural. One of these could be.

719
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: One example of this would be a blood feud. So if,

720
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: for instance, and I will not use us as examples

721
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: because I don't want to jinx us, right, that's just

722
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: another version that's like like low level curse. I want

723
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: to jinks us. So let's say that when you curse

724
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: yourself by accident or whomever said, I hated that game,

725
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 1: when people we say the same thing. Yeah, people say

726
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: it's a conspiracy by the Coca Cola company to get

727
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: you to buy other people cokes. That that's right, it's

728
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: one you want me a coke? What? Yeah, that's the

729
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: that's a big thing you have to buy coke for really,

730
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: So there can be a vendetta in curse form that

731
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: functions like a curse but have supernatural stuff. It just

732
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: has a group of people who have agreed to carry

733
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: out actively right, just tormenting members of another like hat

734
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: Fields and McCoy's or something like that, or you know, poisonings, um,

735
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: political assassinations, you know, crimes of that level too, right, right,

736
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: right exactly. And when you're a big giant political dynasty

737
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: like the Kennedy's, you're a target. Man, You've gotta you're

738
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: moving target. That's exactly what I'm thinking, because the primary

739
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: examples for people who believe there is a curse in

740
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: something that operates like it would be the allegations of

741
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: the assassination of RFK being related to his investigation of

742
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: his brother's assassination. That for people who believe they are related.

743
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: And I'm one, I rarely stay my personal opinion on

744
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: the show. But too much stuff, too too much stuff

745
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: adds really brought a full circle. Man, that's really interesting.

746
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: It's a really at point you make that this you know,

747
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: curse is another name for a phenomenon that you can't

748
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: fully explain. When you really start to look at this situation,

749
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: it really starts to feel more like they just had

750
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: a lot of enemies. Yeah. I mean, they definitely had

751
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: quite a few conflicts. I don't think you can get

752
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: at that level without it. But whether you want to

753
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: call it a curse, the result of being above the

754
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: law for generations, or just playing bad luck, the Kennedy

755
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: family remains beset by problems in the modern day. That

756
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: is correct, folks. The tragedies did not stop after the assassinations.

757
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: They did not stop with the stuff we mentioned, And

758
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: the Kennedy's are not always the victims in these situations. Uh.

759
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: In seventy three UH nine. Seventy three August, Joseph P.

760
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: Kennedy the Second crashed a jeep, paralyzed his passenger. David

761
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: Kennedy Drop died of a drug overdose in Palm Beach

762
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: in in April uh and then William Kennedy Smith was

763
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: arrest it and charged with the rape of a young

764
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: woman in the Palm Beach Kennedy a state in April

765
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: of h He has received numerous charges of sexual assault.

766
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: This was the only one to go to court and

767
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: he was acquitted. No way, Yeah, sarcastic if you couldn't

768
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: tell if you're interested in that aspect of um certain

769
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: Kennedy's and but if there's also rumors about a lot

770
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: of the other male Kennedy's having to do with sexual

771
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: assault and rape and some of these things. Most of

772
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: these are allegations that cannot be proven. But uh, you

773
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: can go to the New York Post and you can

774
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: read something by Maureen Callahan and it's called the Real

775
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: Curse of the Kennedy's and it deals a lot um

776
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: with some of these allegations. And then we have the

777
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: case of Michael's Skekel, a nephew of Robert Kennedy's widow,

778
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: ethel Kennedy, who was convicted of bludgeoning his neighbor in

779
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: two thousand two. Wait, wait, wait, this is the first

780
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: non Kennedy name we've had in this sort of tale.

781
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Why is he Escagill and not a Kennedy. This is

782
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: the red man to the woutang this kind of situation earlier. Yeah,

783
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: both were fifteen at the time. I feel like we talked.

784
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: Do we talked about this in the chap Aquittic episode?

785
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't think we have. Oh well, uh, he was

786
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: accused of bludgeoning a girl named Martha Moxley to death

787
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: with a golf club when they were both fifteen. Uh,

788
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: there were some other kids that were there. Uh. He

789
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: was granted a new trial and twenty and freed on bail. Uh.

790
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: Three years later, prosecutors appealed the court reinstated his conviction. Uh,

791
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: he's asked them to reconsider. He's still on bail. Jeez.

792
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: But so that was two thousand two when he was

793
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: first like taking a court for that stuff. That's when

794
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: he was convicted. Yeah, and he was convicted of doing that,

795
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: but he was convicted in two thousand two, but the

796
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: crime occurred in nine. Uh. And then we we had

797
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: those two in the nineties, by the way, the skiing

798
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: accident and then I think one car accident or was

799
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: that a plane crash plane crash? Yeah, yeah, that was

800
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: JFK jr. Is plane crash. So two in the nineties.

801
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: Then there after that, and then we get to two

802
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, May sixteenth, this is when Mary Richardson Kennedy

803
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: was found Um. Uh, she had committed suicide. She was

804
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: found there on the estate in Bedford, New York. And

805
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: that remember that thing that we were talking about the

806
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: real curse of the Kennedy's it surrounds that particular suicide. Um,

807
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: if you're interested again, if you want to read more, well, okay,

808
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: And on this note, of course, um, as Matt said,

809
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: every death is too soon, and so we hope that

810
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: we hope that it's except for Hitler. Hitler, sure, and

811
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: so of course we hope that more family is not

812
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: beset by problems like this. We also want to know

813
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: what do you think? Do you think there is a

814
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: genuine curse or is this just an agglomeration of coincidence

815
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: framed in a specific way, you know? Yeah? And if

816
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: if you do think it is a curse, why do

817
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: you think it's happening. What's the what's the core of it? Um?

818
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: The inciting incident, I guess because there's always one of those.

819
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: If there is a curse, And I'm interested. If a

820
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: Kennedy ran for president today, what you vote for them

821
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: on principle? Like just because it's a name is what

822
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: we're asking you, Like, name recognition, how far how much

823
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: does that play into the story. And we're just thinking

824
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: about it's because we're thinking about changing our names honestly

825
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: to Kennedy to so that we can run for office.

826
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: So all three of us, all three, all four of

827
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: us falls it on this. It's a full disclosure. We're

828
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: all going to start flying small aircraft. But you know,

829
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: we'll be careful and it has to be four of

830
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: us so that we're not kkk y, you know what

831
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean. Just think of the memes we gotta have

832
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: for once one of us goes down, though we're screwed.

833
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: Maybe we should each just get take the name of

834
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: a political dynasty. Okay, there could be a Roosevelt Um, Roosevelt, Kennedy,

835
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: Bush Clinton. Oh who got stuck with Bush? I'll be Bush.

836
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: That's good. It's all say. I knew the Golden pipes

837
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: would would rear their beautiful dulcet tones eventually. And since

838
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: we we finally got some amazing uh Matt pressions, Matt

839
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: impressions there, that means we can Matt libs, Matt lips.

840
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: There we go. That's worth it. We can now bid

841
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: this episode to do in peace, lay it to rest,

842
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: and hope that stragedies do not continue. And the Kennedy family,

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