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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks did is Friday, December nineteenth, and a

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Speaker 1: breaking story overnight. Police say that the man responsible for

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Speaker 1: other new information is they say he's also responsible for

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Speaker 1: killing an professor. And with that, welcome to this because

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Speaker 1: a little early and breaking episode here of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Ropes for whatever reason was we were going to bed

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Speaker 1: last night, we said, hey, we're probably gonna have to

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Speaker 1: hop up again on early there was some sense that

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Speaker 1: they were about to get this guy last Yes.

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Speaker 2: They were teasing the news media, so to speak, earlier

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Speaker 2: in the evening saying we think we have our guy,

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Speaker 2: we think we know or we've identified our person of interest.

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Speaker 2: And we went to bed around nine something last night,

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Speaker 2: and everything broke wide open in the hours that followed

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Speaker 1: And so we wake up this morning and a lot

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Speaker 1: of you are going to be waking up and getting

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Speaker 1: this news that, yes, the person responsible for the shooting

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Speaker 1: And we found out the person responsible for the shooting

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Speaker 1: was the responsibility all of that one man they have

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Speaker 1: now identified as Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente, forty eight year

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Speaker 1: old man, who was found dead of a self inflicted

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Speaker 1: gunshot wound and of all places, a storage facility in Salem.

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Speaker 1: This story, I guess we're getting the details and starting

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Speaker 1: and right now we don't have a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: No, we know a few connections that police have been

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Speaker 2: able to string together. But it's even fascinating how they

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Speaker 2: caught this guy in the first place. You woke me up,

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Speaker 2: I think I turned over at two am and you said, babe,

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Speaker 2: they got him, and he killed the MIT professor too,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god. But I tried

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Speaker 4: Which I did.

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Speaker 2: But yes, waking up and seeing these details, it is

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Speaker 2: a second person we want to find because we think

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Speaker 4: And turns out they were right.

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Speaker 3: That was the right move to make.

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Speaker 1: So folks we're gonna get you called up and give

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Speaker 1: you the very latest about what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: But the shooter, police say the shooter is no longer

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Speaker 1: out there. That shooter is dead, Cloudio Manuel Nevis Valente,

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Speaker 1: forty eight years old. We're going to get more information

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Speaker 1: about him. But that is the person police say we

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Speaker 1: have been seeing for the past week on all those

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Speaker 1: surveillance videos that they have been putting out. Then robe

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Speaker 4: Hell, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yes, he actually encountered the Cloudio Valente in

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Speaker 4: So I actually thought this is pretty remarkable. He followed

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Speaker 1: They say this all the time, don't aren't we trained?

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Speaker 1: Now we see something out of place. This was so

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Speaker 4: I cannot imagine doing that, but he did.

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Speaker 2: He follows him out there, and then he sees more

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Speaker 3: He said, unlocks it with the fob.

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Speaker 4: He unlocked it and then kept walking.

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Speaker 3: That's weird, why would you do that?

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Speaker 4: So then he followed him what around the corner?

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Speaker 1: To think now, in that moment, he had no idea

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Speaker 4: That is so eery to think.

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Speaker 2: And he's probably thinking himself, Wow, I was a lot

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Speaker 4: That is very courageous, And I.

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Speaker 1: Guess rome's what was he supposed to do next. I'm

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Should I have alerted somebody? Should I have gone and say?

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Speaker 1: But this is what I guess in our culture over

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Speaker 1: He did something about it and followed the guy. This

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Speaker 2: It is remarkable that he'd and then confronted him and said,

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Speaker 4: You're acting strangely.

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate the fact that maybe all of the

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Speaker 2: news coverage we've had of people trying to thwart potential

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Speaker 2: mass shootings or terrorist attacks like these are the These

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Speaker 2: to say, if you see something, say something, and that's

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Speaker 2: exactly what this guy did.

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Speaker 3: You know you say that as well.

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Speaker 1: I think about the Bandai Beach shooting in Australia and

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Speaker 1: maybe saving lives. This guy may have saved lives. Sure

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Speaker 1: in that moment, that interaction, he had no idea, but

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Speaker 1: knows whether the damage he might have done. But this

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Speaker 1: He's going to be everywhere telling his story. This is

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Speaker 1: I find this to be just unreal.

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Speaker 2: And so after he confronted Valente and said your car

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Speaker 2: So he took note of the car. He took note

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Speaker 3: Period, this and this is unbelievab. He went on red.

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Speaker 1: I think he finally realized that y'all have been looking

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Speaker 1: up to two officers. Yeah, yeah, and so he was

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Speaker 1: the right thing with this description of this Nissan CenTra.

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Speaker 3: Was it that he had rented?

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Speaker 1: Now they tracked this car this system, you know, this

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Speaker 3: Take a picture of your license plate.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, when they give you your a toll charge

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Speaker 1: It's that kind of system of cameras that were able

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Speaker 2: And they knew who rented it because they were able

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Speaker 2: to Boston, I guess from Vegas, correct, and he rented

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Speaker 1: Where they shot the professor, and then ends up in Salem,

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Speaker 4: And is it Do we know that?

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Speaker 2: Because because we saw what late afternoon early evening police

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Speaker 4: You're not exactly sure when he died.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: They looked really frustrated that they even had to acknowledge

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Speaker 2: That hinders an investigation or your ability to capture someone

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Speaker 2: because they're following the headlines most likely, and if they

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Speaker 1: But you said hinder an investigation, and this investigation that's

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Speaker 3: So this has been a hell of a week for

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Speaker 2: It's sad because, if you think about it, the Brown

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Speaker 4: The MIT professor didn't die until the.

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Speaker 2: Fifteenth, So it's just said those two days cost a

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Speaker 1: And again we're trying to figure out the why still

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Speaker 1: now the suspect was found, the authority say again, this

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Speaker 1: and found two guns with him, and they say also

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a forty eight year old man by

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Speaker 1: the name of Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente is the name. Now,

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Speaker 1: who is he and what's his connection to Brown? His

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two thousand to two thousand and one.

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Speaker 2: He was only there for one year in a graduate program, correct,

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Speaker 2: But they said he knew that building, well, that is

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Speaker 2: there more than twenty years ago. We also know he's

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Speaker 2: a Portuguese national. And there's your connection to the MIT

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Speaker 2: physics professor who is also Portuguese, Nuno Lrero, and they

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Speaker 2: apparently went to school for some time together in Portugal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some elite engineering school there. That's not a coincidence.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what the relationship was, but that is not

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Speaker 3: That this took place.

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Speaker 1: They always check no criminal history with this guy, nothing

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Speaker 1: in his background. Last known address was Miami. He did,

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Speaker 1: I think you mentioned Vegas. He had spent some time

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Speaker 1: legal permanent resident of the United States. He first entered

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Speaker 2: Yes and now Trump Christy Noman announced it has completely

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Speaker 2: suspended that program, saying it is done.

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Speaker 3: We always appreciate you spending some time with us. I'm TJ.

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