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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season forty four, episode

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Speaker 1: two of The Daily Night Guys for Tuesday, August fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: two eight. Team, my name's Jack O'Brien a K. You're

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Speaker 1: getting stripped from your garments, boy, running your jewels. Miles

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Speaker 1: Gray got me open like felope into a ks on

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Speaker 1: your head when you least expect. Jack O'Brien on the mike, boy,

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Speaker 1: protect you neck. That was good board a tang a

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Speaker 1: K and I'm thrilled to be joined. It's always by

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Speaker 1: my co host, Mr Miles. All right, Jack, I hope

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Speaker 1: you're ready because if you come without WU tank, get

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Speaker 1: ready for let myslave open the door, Lave open the door,

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Speaker 1: open the doll your heart townsend. All right, thank you

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Speaker 1: Matt Schlessel at mr Schlessel on Twitter for that AK.

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Speaker 1: We don't plan it, but it's just like in the

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Speaker 1: firmament that if one of us does like a cool song,

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Speaker 1: the other one is gonna do like like we're like

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Speaker 1: a purple mattress. We're both soft and firm at the

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Speaker 1: same time. And if they're ad by expires. If you're

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Speaker 1: losing this in the future, we'll scrub this because I'm

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Speaker 1: about to counter you with ghost bed is that first

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Speaker 1: of all, who as we are thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 1: by one of the great gonzo journalists and funniest, smartest

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Speaker 1: duds I know, Mr Robert Evans. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: rapt sorry, ok Matt yep oh yeah, okay, Matt hard assay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's up man? Yeah, not much. I was at a

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Speaker 1: unite the right two point oh, I know, a good

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Speaker 1: day and a half ago. Right, and on the side

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Speaker 1: of the yes, Yes, I've been a white supremacist. He's

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Speaker 1: taking it down from the inside, right white klansman. Uh

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Speaker 1: not quite as good a title. Uh so unimpressive, unimpressed

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Speaker 1: with their turn out. Yeah, it's more that I was

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Speaker 1: happy and gratified to see how many people came out

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Speaker 1: to march against them. Yeah. I think the importance of

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Speaker 1: getting five thousand, however many thousand people to show up

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Speaker 1: to protest Nazis when they march is important for the

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Speaker 1: same reason why you should do pull ups in the morning,

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Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna need to lift yourself up every day,

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Speaker 1: but every now and then you'll run into a situation

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Speaker 1: where it's useful to have that kind of strength, and

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Speaker 1: it's protested the same thing. It's like it's building a muzzle.

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Speaker 1: That's like a Chinese proverb. Yeah, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: do a pull up every day, you might have to

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Speaker 1: pull up with that energy. Well, we're going to hear

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Speaker 1: more wise Chinese proverbs from the mouth of Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: But first we are going to tell our listeners what

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Speaker 1: they're in store for. We're going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: Manifort trial where the defense just rested. We're not calling

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Speaker 1: witness uh, we call that a mic drop. We're going

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Speaker 1: to check out some of the highlights from def Con,

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Speaker 1: the hacker convention. What were they able to hack? Basically

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Speaker 1: a lot of terrifying anything with internet. Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: check in with the political story about how Trump doesn't

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Speaker 1: understand things like countries, time zones, just a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun details that aren't really surprising, but just about as

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Speaker 1: hilarious and embarrassing as you would expect from this White House.

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Speaker 1: We are going to introduce you to Bob Goodlot's son

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Speaker 1: Bobby and I was pronouncing but that is that's not

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Speaker 1: right now that he looks like it probably does not

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Speaker 1: like when it is pronounced like that. That's probably our

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Speaker 1: way to troll him in. Yeah, we're gonna ask Robert

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Speaker 1: what global conflicts he's keeping an eye because he has

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Speaker 1: always been on top of those since I've known him. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna check back in with Alma Rossa. We are

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Speaker 1: going to look at the weekend box office wherein the

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Speaker 1: meg dominated. We are going to have some beverage news

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Speaker 1: to beverage stories at the end of the episode. But first, Robert,

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Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history those about who you are. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've been looking a lot at ties between Patriot Prayer,

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Speaker 1: They're not a white nationalist group, they don't consider themselves

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Speaker 1: a fascist group, but they have a lot of ties

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Speaker 1: to people who are at Unite the Right. Their leader,

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Speaker 1: like they both anti com. You said they Yeah, Anti

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Speaker 1: about Proud Boys. Well no, no, no, that's I just

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Speaker 1: didn't catch it first. But it's better than no FAP,

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Speaker 1: which is what they call it. Uh. Patriot Prayer is

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Speaker 1: they have some connections to, like their their agenda doesn't

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Speaker 1: guys in the anti com chat room who were also

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Speaker 1: members of groups like the Traditional Workers Party. There's a

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Speaker 1: argue with that. What's right? That sounds good, That doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound like like national socialists, just like patriots. I like that,

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Speaker 1: I like patriot, I like prayer. Yeah, those are both

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Speaker 1: that defining yourself as white nationalist or is fascist is

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Speaker 1: counterproductive and cannot They tried right after to make that

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Speaker 1: But even then, like, yeah, someone has to be so

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Speaker 1: of what communists. Okay, I like this group. It works

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Speaker 1: in part they depend on the police because there's not

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Speaker 1: a successful strategy. And some of this is on the

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Speaker 1: anti fascist groups because you will see a lot of

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Speaker 1: unite the right. Two point, Oh, are the fascists who

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Speaker 1: have lost because they went full Hitler too fast. The

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Speaker 1: always stay here at the daily sye. Guys, don't go

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Speaker 1: You're saying that one of the counter protesters jumped up

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Speaker 1: when the when the Nazis were walking in with a

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Speaker 1: there have been all sorts of studies that indicate that

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Speaker 1: totally shocking, and yeah, be increasingly becoming a bigger problem

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Speaker 1: identified as a white national duty. Cool. Well, what's something

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Speaker 1: that's overrated? Robert Um, Oh jeez, I mean marjarine? Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank god, Yeah, it's time to stop big now, shout

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Speaker 1: But you go on to say your piece. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna say, if you just get some butter and

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Speaker 1: that's delicious. You make some honey butter. But if you

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Speaker 1: vegetables vegetable oil. Also, is that true? You just eat

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Speaker 1: honey and butter with will you stir it together? But

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Speaker 1: my adulthood, I'm just eating that mac. I'm immediate with

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Speaker 1: better sauce. It just makes it better. Yeah, make it

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Speaker 1: better with butter. Salted butter or unsalted butter, different situations

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Speaker 1: cover that the Great Chef's debate about salted or unsalted butter,

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Speaker 1: And it really is contextual unsalted as good as an ingredient.

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Speaker 1: power gel packet. I can't do that with margarine. Uh Like,

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Speaker 1: are there like bad things about margarine? Is it worse

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Speaker 1: for you or just for you? I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: read about what's good. It's more upset about the honey aspect.

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Speaker 1: What is something you think is underrated? Um, besides honey butter,

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Speaker 1: besides honey butter, I think the danger of fascist activists

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Speaker 1: is underrated because I think people look at the tiny numbers,

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Speaker 1: and people look at the fact that most Americans don't

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Speaker 1: the fact that, like Laura Ingram was on Fox News

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Speaker 1: recently saying that immigration is changing the nature of America

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Speaker 1: and we didn't vote for that ship. Like the ideas

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Speaker 1: that these people who are outright fascists have injected into

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Speaker 1: And I think the threat of that is generally underrated

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Speaker 1: to full on worry about this and start putting your

428
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Speaker 1: echo inside of like a sound proof box or anything

429
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,239
Speaker 1: like that. It also requires pretty sophisticated access to like

430
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Speaker 1: your WiFi network. Uh, so I think you'll be all right.

431
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Speaker 1: But it was just interesting enough to know, Yeah, the

432
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Speaker 1: thing that you thought can happen can happen without them

433
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Speaker 1: addressing that. And then last year that the deaf Con

434
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Speaker 1: conference got a huge press buzz because they did a

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Speaker 1: lot of work with voting machines. Uh, and they showed

436
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: how you could just hop in that thing and just

437
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: mess with the vote tylers or whatever. And this year

438
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: they have fixed that. They did they did, they totally

439
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: worked that out, except this year they supped the anti

440
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: and again there was no different. They took a lot

441
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Speaker 1: of the machines that a lot of states you when

442
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: they're using electronic voting. Uh. They were able to upload

443
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: their own malicious software. They could change vote talies, and

444
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: one of them even just pulled like the hot fire.

445
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: What's that? That one gift with the Duode just go

446
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: out with his hands on his cheeks like this. He

447
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: had that gift. Just play on the screen because you

448
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: can do anything. But the real fun part about this

449
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: one is they also had forty children between the ages

450
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: of six and seventeen attempt to infiltrate replicas of these

451
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: election board websites for several swing swing states. And so

452
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: what they did is just built out like the exact

453
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Speaker 1: architecture of these websites and just said, have added kids

454
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: if you know, like young aspiring hackers, do your worst. Uh.

455
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: And let's just say the kids are all right at hacking,

456
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: because we are fucked. They were able to some of

457
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: these kids were able to exploit vulnerabilities that they were

458
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Speaker 1: able to tamper with vote tabulations, change the names of candidates. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And one eleven year old reportedly hacked into a mock

460
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Speaker 1: up of the or the secretary of State's website and

461
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: change the voting results within ten minutes. But election officials

462
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: were like, hey, hey, I'm not really impressed by that.

463
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: Most elections are done in what four or five minutes? Yeah, exactly,

464
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: And they're like, you know, the environment is completely different. Yeah,

465
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: because a noisy conference hall is much different than the

466
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Speaker 1: empty gymnasiums being overseen by octogenarians asking you when where

467
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: do you live? Yeah, so you know, again, if the

468
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: kids are if it's that easy for you know, younger

469
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 1: people with just sort of the basic skills to do it,

470
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: I think maybe we should be looking into this a

471
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: little bit more rather than you know, passing the blame

472
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, well, this is this, you know,

473
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not worried. We're not really impressed by this.

474
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Speaker 1: It's scary because the details of this, like they and

475
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: some of the hecks, they change the candidates names and

476
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: like the things they changed the two are like Bob

477
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: the Builder and Richard Nixon's head, So it's like a

478
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: mixture of like juvenile sensibilities and right they're like, so

479
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: just fucking yeah, destroy this thing. I follow a lot

480
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: of these people on Twitter, a lot of folks who

481
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: are at Defcon, a lot of hackers, because I don't

482
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: understand that at all. So I just try to listen

483
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: to what the people who do say. And there was

484
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: a big thread of people who do security for these

485
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: things and who actually have been part of coding voting

486
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: machines for like Divald and stuff, saying this is the

487
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: only field of coders you will find this for. None

488
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: of us think electronic voting is a good idea. None

489
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: of the people responsible for securing electronic voting machines think

490
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: that it's a good idea to vote electronically because they're

491
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: just not secure and you can't really point to hard

492
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Speaker 1: evidence like a paper receipt or something or like you

493
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: know how we have in California, like the ink the

494
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: inked up voting card we get. So yeah, they also

495
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: hacked police body cameras, voicemail. The Internet of Things is

496
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: horrifically secure. The body camera was wild because they're you know, people,

497
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: hackers were able to remotely download the footage, edit it,

498
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: and then re upload it, and they weren't like it

499
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: was untraceable, Like you wouldn't have known that someone had

500
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Speaker 1: just switched out of video filing there. So that cool. Hey,

501
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Hey, so what else they know? They're

502
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: able to live stream footage, So they're saying, you know,

503
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: criminals could just basically tap into a feed and be like, okay,

504
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: that's where you are. Okay, that's pretty cool. It's one

505
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: of those things. It's it's weird. Because like in the nineties, um,

506
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of similar to what happened with gaming

507
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: in the nineties, where there were all these pundits like

508
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: screaming about how dangerous video games were and it was bullshit.

509
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: And so now when people try to point to like, no,

510
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: there's actually some some things we need to be concerned

511
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: about psychologically of what like violent video games due to people,

512
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't get any traction because we were so used

513
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: to like being bullshit, it being bullshit. It's the same

514
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: thing with hackers. Were so used to movies in nine

515
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: where people were hacking cars and stuff, and it was like,

516
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: that's not possible, but now it is. But now we

517
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: have autonomous cards, they can be hacked, remotely, started, remotely stopped,

518
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: whatever you mean. So are like our reflex to reject

519
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: that as a possibility is out of sync with the reality.

520
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: The voicemail one was really interesting though, because I never

521
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: thought of how that works. But so what they were

522
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: saying is like, you know, a lot of our mobile

523
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: carriers they were just terrible at securing voicemail because we're

524
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: still using like four digit pins. Most people don't even

525
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: know what their pin is because you can just dial

526
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: it straight from your phone now, and it's usually just

527
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: the last four it'll default to being the last four

528
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: digits of your phone number. Uh so yeah, So then

529
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: basically what hackers can do they can just brute force

530
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: access your ship because there's also no limit of the

531
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: number of like incorrect passwords you enter. It just locks

532
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: it down, so you can just have at it. Uh

533
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: And then once they do that, they can get into

534
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: your voicemail system. They can request like like WhatsApps send

535
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: like you know, the targets code via a phone call,

536
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: and if they don't pick it up and goes to voicemail,

537
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: then they can access the voicemail, get the code and

538
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: then put your ship like you know, log into your PayPal, eBay,

539
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: other ship just by using this like voicemail hack. So

540
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: that's another cool, pretty cool thing that's going well. Fortunately

541
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: we have our top minds at the top of the

542
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: government just sort of hold locking everything down as they

543
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: actually just pull a bunch of funding from from that. Yes, yeah, yeah,

544
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: So Politico has a new article out that reveals that

545
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: the president you know from past people who have left

546
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: the White House and are not coming with the same

547
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: energy as Amar Rosso. So they're just like dropping these

548
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: anonymous hints or anonymous quotes to journalists. But the anonymous

549
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: quotes are pretty scary. They say that the president doesn't

550
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: seem to grasp the concept of time zones. Uh like,

551
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: when because he always wants to call Abe, Japan's Prime

552
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: minister in the middle of the night, He's like, yeah,

553
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: let's give him a call at three in the afternoon.

554
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, but it's in the middle of the

555
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: night where he is, and but he keeps bringing that

556
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: up like he can't it doesn't registers. And again that's

557
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: a part where I'm almost like, Okay, he could just

558
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: be impulsive and he just wants me wants in that

559
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: that he has trouble and staying time zones, but he

560
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: could also It also shows there could be something wrong

561
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: with his ability to to retain information. Where someone is saying, no,

562
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: we can't call him because eleven at night there then

563
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: five minutes later you say the same ship. It's another

564
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: example of like a thing if he was just a guy,

565
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be because there's a lot of people who

566
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: don't really have a strong understanding of time zones. There's

567
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people who can't pronounce Bhutan or Nepal,

568
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of He called them nipple and button. Yeah, Like, legit,

569
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: this is not a joke. This is in the article

570
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: where he's he was. I think it was because he

571
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: was prepping for a meeting with India and he's like,

572
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: what's his other ship here? And they're like, that wasn't

573
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: prepping for it. It was during the meeting with India. Oh,

574
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: and he's like, what's this other ship? He's like the

575
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: countries of Bhutan and Nepal, and he's like, nipple button,

576
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: nipple button, But he didn't know that would be hard

577
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: to button. Yeah, I'm sorry, go on. No. I was

578
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: just saying like if he was, if he was a

579
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: normal dude, this wouldn't be a problem. Would be totally

580
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: understandable because there's a lot of ship to keep track

581
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: of in the world. For of us, you pick your battles.

582
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: But he's the president. The president should know these things. Yeah,

583
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: president like reading. Even One of my favorite details from

584
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: the article is that so during a meeting with Abbe

585
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: at mar Lago in April, he repeatedly praised Ji Jim Ping,

586
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: according to this former n SC official, and everyone was

587
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: cringing because Japan and China are rivals, but presumably Trump

588
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh another Asian guy. Uh yeah, but I

589
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: like the other one that I just met. Hey, your

590
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: cousin's pretty chill, right, And people are like, yo, that

591
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: is you're not supposed to talk about how much you

592
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: love China to Japan. That's not a good look. Why

593
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: was that? It's called diplomacy? Um. The Washington Post reported

594
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: that he sometimes puts on Indian accent and imitates the

595
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: way their leader speaks well, real quick, so, like I said.

596
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: On the gist uh Slate's daily podcast, a Republican strategists

597
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: said that, you know, people who have worked at the

598
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: White House say that if people heard how he talked

599
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: about black people and women on a daily basis, they

600
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: burned the place to the ground. Was the direct quote.

601
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: But one thing he does love doing is talking on

602
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: the phone. He just calls leaders of foreign countries. He

603
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: loves calling McCrone from France and just like chatting, and

604
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: McCrone has to be like, hey, what are we talking about?

605
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Because he's very busy, you know, right, just like you

606
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: don't just like call to check in with someone and

607
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: be like hey, so what's up? And you know, they

608
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: try and get him to focus on like deliverables and like,

609
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, because he's the president and the other leaders have,

610
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, things to do, so there needs to be

611
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: some transaction. But he doesn't get that and he just

612
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: like hangs out like a you know, eighties teenager is like, hey,

613
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: I heard you. You guys won the World Cup? Who

614
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: do you guys are thinking of football game? The Eagles

615
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: or the French national team. Come on down the gridiron,

616
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: let's see what's up. Um, just like I'm sorry, what

617
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: is this call about? Right? I don't know, I'm lonely.

618
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: There's a joke with Japanese diplomats that Abbe has had

619
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: one meeting with Trump seven times because he's has to

620
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: go back over the same issues every time he talks

621
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: to him. Um oh man, yeah, so and then I

622
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: like how the that goes on. Abbe and his aids

623
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: have avoided telling Trump that he contacts them too often

624
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: for fear of harming their friendly relationship. Oh Japan They're

625
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: just okay, well yeah, it's it's so Japanese too, or

626
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: even like you're doing high stakes governmental business, and it

627
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: was just more like I get you know, I get

628
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: it for diplomacy too, but I can also see how

629
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: just being Japanese too, it's like, let's let's not call

630
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: out his shape to his face too, because it's I mean,

631
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: despite how he acts, he's still the most power our

632
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: full person on the planet. So uh yeah, yeah, it's

633
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: just probably about, Hey, how's your cousin doing. Do you

634
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: think about the tariffs off? Do you talk to him?

635
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: Are you? Guys? Don't? Are you? Do you have a

636
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: dinner or something to Bob good Lot? Let's talk about

637
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: this dude. Oh, Bob good Lot. I mean, look, he's

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Speaker 1: it's just a quick story because he is, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a Freedom Caucus hack. He's mr. He loves to

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Speaker 1: grandstand for anything super right, like Benghazi. He was all

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Speaker 1: about it. Uh in the Russia. Uh, like the Russia hearings,

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00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: he's been grandstanding. This is just his vibe is just

643
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: he's just one of those repulsive Freedom Caucus Republicans who

644
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: is all about protecting the president and disregarding fact or

645
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: honesty or having things like pride or shame, things like that.

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Speaker 1: But his son is out here on Twitter just getting

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Speaker 1: just I don't know, just getting messy. Uh. You know

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Speaker 1: his son, Bobby good Lot. Uh he he tweeted, he

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Speaker 1: just quote tweeted quote. I just gave the maximum allowed

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Speaker 1: donation to Jennifer Lewis, a Democrat running for my father's

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Speaker 1: congressional seat. I've also gotten five other folks to commit

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Speaker 1: to donate the maxen is a year to flip districts.

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Speaker 1: Let's do this' basic saying I'm giving money to somebody

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Speaker 1: to get my dad the funk out of Congress. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And that got that tweet went bookoo because yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Bob good Lot is just one of the most unsavory

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Speaker 1: characters in the house. And I do love this new

658
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Speaker 1: trend because it happened with Stephen Miller to people people's relatives,

659
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Speaker 1: like throwing them under the bus for being monsters. I

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Speaker 1: think it's probably good because in the future you'll be like, wait,

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Speaker 1: your Bobby good Lot. You're like, but the tweet though,

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Speaker 1: you saw the tweet. Oh yeah, alright, alright, gang gang.

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Speaker 1: I did my part. Yeah, I'm maxed out. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: maxed out to Jennifer Lewis campaign. You think, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: may be his son, I maybe Bobby good Lot Jr.

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Speaker 1: But I'm maxed out to us. Yet I'm doing my best. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it must be tough though, when you have

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Speaker 1: these fam real relationships to these people who are so

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Speaker 1: like you have the same name or whatever related to

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Speaker 1: Rick Santorum. Yeah, you are family relation. Wow. And he's

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Speaker 1: a real piece of ship. Yeah, hey, come on, I

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Speaker 1: mean we don't we can't say that he's a real

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Speaker 1: piece of santorum. Yeah, there we go. Which is that

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Speaker 1: is created? Yeah, when you when you're having anal sex

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Speaker 1: ring and the poop and the come all gets sort

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Speaker 1: of that Santorum as I understand him up, that is

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Speaker 1: uh wow, welcome to our new show. No, that's that's

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Speaker 1: what a santorum. They made that because he was such

679
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Speaker 1: an asshole to that who made that, like the gay

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Speaker 1: community made that. I can add that their term for

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Speaker 1: that foam wow. Just to make sure he is not

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Speaker 1: for he lives in infamy. You will be remembered. But

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Speaker 1: I mean to Bobby good lots credit. You know, Donald

684
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Speaker 1: Trump Jr. Supposedly hated his dad like his whole life

685
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Speaker 1: and was you know, kind of abused by him, and

686
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: it was just like this guy's the fucking worst. But

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00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: when it became you know, politically and socially a good

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Speaker 1: thing for him to, you know, say that he fucked

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Speaker 1: with his dad. He did that because you know, yeah, yeah,

690
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: like he's cool with his dad now. I mean, oddly enough,

691
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Speaker 1: he could be the one who brings it all fucking down,

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Speaker 1: because he's the one who, from what we see, seems

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Speaker 1: like to have had the most direct contact with Russia

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Speaker 1: repeatedly what should be what should be a fitting end,

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Speaker 1: all right, Robert, I wanted to check him with you

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Speaker 1: on just what's going on internationally. You're someone who has

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Speaker 1: been on top of ship that, like we're talking about

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Speaker 1: it today and the news, but you were on top

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Speaker 1: of it years ago when it was first like popping off,

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Speaker 1: Like the crimea revolution is a big issue in US

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Speaker 1: Russia relations today, and you wrote an article about that,

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: like as it was happened. When we work together back

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00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: at Cracked, you were like on top of it and

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Speaker 1: like interacting with the rebels like when that was first

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Speaker 1: popping off. Yeah, and I that was my first I

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00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: would consider my first like real piece of journalism was

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Speaker 1: interviewing a bunch of protesters at the midn Um And

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Speaker 1: in general, what I'll say is, if things go badly

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Speaker 1: in the next couple of years, like really really badly,

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Speaker 1: like like global conflict, you know, expanding to the size

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen in decades badly. I think historians in

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Speaker 1: the future might trace back the starting of whatever hostilities

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Speaker 1: erupt as far back as two thousands seven, like when

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Speaker 1: we're looking at like now, like we look at World

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Speaker 1: War two and you're like, when does it start? And

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say nineteen thirty eight, you know,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to nineteen thirty nine or forty. I think

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Speaker 1: they might trace this global conflict that I do believe

719
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: we are in a global conflict right now, and I

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Speaker 1: think the war fighting to main that it is mainly

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Speaker 1: occurred in is the Internet, but it has physical battle

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Speaker 1: fields and Ukraine, in Syria, in Iraq, in other countries

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Speaker 1: on the world. And I think we may trace the

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Speaker 1: beginning of that conflict back to two thousand seven UM

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Speaker 1: when Russia launched an unprecedented cyber attack against Estonia, which

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Speaker 1: was at that point and I think it's still at

727
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Speaker 1: this point, the most wired nation on the planet. All

728
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Speaker 1: of their banking, their voting, all their government work was

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00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: essentially carried out online. So it was a devastating attack

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Speaker 1: that was launched on them. Their system is actually really cool,

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Speaker 1: Like when you read about how Estonia is set up,

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Speaker 1: like it's all this really uh intuitive stuff that it's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is how the internet should have simplified our life.

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Speaker 1: But because we are sort of this corporatocracy, all the

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Speaker 1: different ways that corporateocracies are inefficient have made it so

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Speaker 1: that we're not able to take advantage of that. But

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Speaker 1: read up on Estonia. They really do a cool thing,

738
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Speaker 1: and they are the whole country right now is ready

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Speaker 1: and is in a semi permanent state of being ready

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Speaker 1: for mass mass national war with Russia. Um And then

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Speaker 1: of course in two thousand and eight we had a

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Speaker 1: war between Russia and Georgia and some people will say

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Speaker 1: it only lasted like five days, and some people will

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Speaker 1: say and in fact, the u N has said that

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Speaker 1: the actual fighting started when Georgian troops started firing on

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Speaker 1: separatist troops that then brought the Russians in. But leading

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Speaker 1: up to it, there was an internet blitz, there was

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Speaker 1: a propaganda blitz, there was a you know, arming of

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Speaker 1: these these sort of breakaway groups by the Russian. So

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00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: it's very complicated, but it's you can almost look at

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Speaker 1: what happened in Georgia and what happened in Estonia as

752
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: a lead up to what happened in Ukraine, because after

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Speaker 1: in two this and fourteen, basically a bunch of protesters

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Speaker 1: rose up against the government of Victor Yanukovich, who was

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Speaker 1: the President of Ukraine and had brutally suppressed with extreme

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Speaker 1: violence protests in the center of the city. That led

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Speaker 1: to a larger protest movement geared at unseating him. And

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Speaker 1: he was pro Russian. He was very pro Russian. He

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00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: wanted to bring pull the country out of a deal

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Speaker 1: that it had made that would bring it closer to

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Speaker 1: the EU in favor of going close to Russia, which

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Speaker 1: most Ukrainians supported going getting closer to the EU, except

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Speaker 1: for in the east. And when I went over, I've

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in Eastern Ukraine talking to

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Speaker 1: people who supported the separatists at first uh and talking

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Speaker 1: to people who lived in those areas. When because the

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00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: civil war started after that, like after these protesters in

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Speaker 1: western Ukraine unseated the president, the civil war began in

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Speaker 1: Eastern Ukraine, and that civil war was largely there were

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Speaker 1: some local rebels who started fighting, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: the first wave and a lot of the current fighters

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Speaker 1: there are Russian soldiers who just pulled off their uniform

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Speaker 1: patches across the border, their artilleries rushing their tanks are Russian. Um.

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Speaker 1: So the guys that you were kind of interacting with,

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Speaker 1: the men and women, I guess we're the reason that

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00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: we started writing about it. It It cracked is like it

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Speaker 1: was just this incredible scene of like they built a

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Speaker 1: snow fort. Yeah, this is protests in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the in the middle of the city, and you know

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Speaker 1: we're fighting government catapults and like burning tires out of

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Speaker 1: an ice fortress. It was just this crazy story. Um.

782
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Speaker 1: And Paul Manafort was behind a lot of that and

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Speaker 1: was apparently, according to Paul maniforts Otters, he was the

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Speaker 1: one who urged the Ukrainian government to crack down violently

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Speaker 1: on the protesters. Yes, so much blood on this. And

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Speaker 1: if you talk to Ukrainians about what they saw as

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Speaker 1: the lead up to that. Starting a year or two

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Speaker 1: before hostility started, there was a propaganda blitz in Russian

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Speaker 1: media aimed at creating a divide between Western and Eastern Ukraine. Um,

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Speaker 1: much as there was a propaganda blitz in the United

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Speaker 1: States and at creating a divide between the left and

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Speaker 1: the right, or not creating, but further widening, because there

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Speaker 1: was also there was a divide between east and western

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Speaker 1: US was Texas and California secession. Yeah, right, so right

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00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: and left certainly hate each other. I think my point

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Speaker 1: is that you number one, and this is something the

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Speaker 1: Defense Department came out last year in the report and

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Speaker 1: said that the United States has fallen behind in the

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Speaker 1: Internet as a war fighting domain, and it is a

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Speaker 1: very important war fighting domain. And if you look at

801
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: it that way, this conflict has been going on for

802
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: a decade now, um, and you have to connect. So

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00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: Number one, a lot of the fighters who provided manpower

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Speaker 1: for the civil war in Ukraine were essentially propagandist on

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00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: the Internet. There's a video called I Russian Occupier those

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00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: few millions of times, and I've talked to at least

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Speaker 1: one pro Russian insurgeon who fought on the side of

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Speaker 1: the Russian back separatists, who was radicalized by this video,

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Speaker 1: and it used a lot of video game imagery and

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Speaker 1: it seems very similar to a video called The Lion

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Speaker 1: of Europe that's about Hitler that I've noticed a number

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00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: of right wing and fascist activists in the United States

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Speaker 1: point to is like a video that radicalized them, and

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Speaker 1: these the same. They're set up almost as movie trailers,

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Speaker 1: and they use a lot of like video game style imagery.

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Speaker 1: And it's I get to this point where I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: am I just because I spend so much time thinking

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Speaker 1: on this, am I like have I gone crazy? Like?

819
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: Am I building this up to be more than it is?

820
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: But I do think there's a global conflict and people

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Speaker 1: social media has a death count, um, a substantial death

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Speaker 1: count because there were, you know, thousands of soldiers in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine who were reached out to and radicalized through the

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Speaker 1: Internet and wound up fighting there because they were convinced

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00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: to leave their homes and go fight there because of

826
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Speaker 1: stuff they saw on the internet. And the same thing

827
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: is true in Syria Interact twenty to thirty soldiers who

828
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: were radicalized online through Twitter, through Facebook, through YouTube. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's like in the past in traditional warfare, you would

830
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Speaker 1: go invade and then try to win hearts and minds,

831
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Speaker 1: And now you start out with the hearts and minds

832
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Speaker 1: and try and like win people over to your cause

833
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: and then radicalized them. I guess, yeah. And so that's

834
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Speaker 1: like I would say, in terms of where I'm looking

835
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Speaker 1: at right now, I think there's a possibility that we're

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Speaker 1: going to see more violent conflict between the Syrian government

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Speaker 1: now that the civil war is winding down and the

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Speaker 1: Turkish government. Um. And I don't know where the US

839
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Speaker 1: is going to fall on that or where Russia is

840
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: going to fall in that, because both the US and

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Speaker 1: Russia have you know, the US has supported the Koords

842
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: in Syria, who are now allied pretty closely and increasingly

843
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: closely with the Syrian government. The Russians have supported the

844
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Speaker 1: Syrian government, but the US and Russia have both also

845
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: supported and sold arms to the Turkish from it. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's really hard to see what's going to happen there.

847
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: But just generally, I mean, we've talked on this show, uh,

848
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Speaker 1: producer Nick Stump was talking about how you know, there

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Speaker 1: there's this idea that we're no longer in a place

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Speaker 1: where we can understand conflicts regionally, and it's more, you know,

851
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: because the Internet has just kind of broken down those barriers.

852
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: It's just ideological conflicts that spread that aren't based on

853
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: where you live, but they're just you know, being fought

854
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: across the world on the Internet, and the actual military

855
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: power of a state, at least at this point in

856
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: whatever conflict is going on, matters a lot less than

857
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: their ability to project power through the Internet. Because the

858
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: Russian military on paper is very weak. Um. They they

859
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: are not on paper a threat to the United States

860
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 1: or Tornato. Um, there's just they They've got this tank

861
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: called the Armada that was there a bunch of viral

862
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: stories for five years back about it, about how much

863
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: deadlier it is than all of NATO's tanks, and the

864
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: UN are covered. PostScript of that is that Russia's ordered

865
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: less than a hundred of them and is cut back

866
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: on their orders substantially, and it's cost them something like

867
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: a trillion dollars just their equivalent of the F thirty five.

868
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: It's a big boondoggle that's expensive and not effective. The

869
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Russian military is not effective, would not be an effective

870
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: war fighting force in the conventional sense. But it's been

871
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: very effective in Syria. It's been very effective in Ukraine

872
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: because they have married the use of fairly small surgical

873
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: amounts of force to the use of very successful propaganda

874
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: and media campaigns. A couple that will like some insurgency

875
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: movement and you're like boom, and the US is bad

876
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: at that. Yeah. Yeah, because used to be like, you know,

877
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: like raindown pamphlets of propaganda by air back in the right.

878
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah that was like that was twitter back then, and

879
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: now it's just straight up no you got it on

880
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: your phone. All right, Well that was very interesting. Thank

881
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: you for that. We're going to take another quick break

882
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. And we're back and I

883
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: was almost surprised that we're back in and that delivery

884
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. So, speaking of surprises, the Meg so

885
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: follow the Meg exactly. I mean, I know it's a movie,

886
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: what what is about. It's about a an extinct species

887
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: of shark that was like basically a giant great white

888
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: except more deadly and like more angry and better at killing. Um.

889
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: It's called the Megalodon is the full name for it. Uh.

890
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: And if you were obsessed with sharks, uh, like I

891
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: was when I was a kid, it's like, you know,

892
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: just this mythical creature that's like in terms of scale,

893
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: it's like to a great white shark, with a great

894
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: white shark is to a salmon. Yes, yeah, yeah, wait,

895
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: this already happened that there was like Mega Shark Verse,

896
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: Giant Octopus. There's been a lot of movies Shark Verse, Crocosaurus.

897
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like puzzle through this because so I

898
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: I pay attention to the box office. They're usually like

899
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: on Friday, they will put out their box office prediction,

900
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: like these box office analysts, and they'll usually be between

901
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: like five and ten percent. Like sometimes they're just like

902
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: right on point, being able to predict exactly what something's

903
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna make. The meg came out this weekend. It doubled

904
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: what box Office Mojo was predicting. It pulled in a

905
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty d forty six point nine million dollars globally.

906
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: Nobody really oh yeah, oh yeah, it destroyed Solo. It's uh,

907
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: it might be more than Solos made Disney. Yeah. But

908
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to figure out, like what about this

909
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: connected so much with people. I'm thinking there's something about

910
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: so there's been shark movies since Jaws. There's Deep bluecy Uh,

911
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: there are shittier shark movies like, uh, you know, Shark

912
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: Nado and stuff like that. But I wonder if there's

913
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: something to it being a singular like there's been sharks

914
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: movies like where they're multiple sharks, but not a like

915
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: singular shark movie. And I think there's like something about

916
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: one giant man eating shark that makes I don't know,

917
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 1: that appeals to us a little bit more. I also,

918
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Jack, you and I have been making content

919
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: for people on the Internet for a very long time,

920
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: and we've noticed that it's definitely cyclical what people are

921
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: interested in. When we were both at Cracked in the

922
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: early years have Cracked, some of our most successful articles

923
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: were lists of weird prehistoric animals and monsters and in

924
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: starts that were scary, and then for years you couldn't

925
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: get people to read that stuff. And maybe it's just

926
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: that that ship swung back around and people are interested again. Yeah,

927
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I yeah, they're that. I think that's definitely true.

928
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: I think people have always been interested in big prehistoric creatures.

929
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: I think what happened at Cracked was that we created

930
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: a type of article that we were the only ones

931
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: doing it, and then BuzzFeed and a bunch of other

932
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: websites like basically saw that those articles were popular, and yeah,

933
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: the list of well and they like flooded the Internet

934
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: with articles that were indistinguishable from hours. They weren't quite

935
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: as good as ours, but they were like easy to

936
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: confuse with it, and when you're on the internet, you

937
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: can't tell the difference. For these these fifteen teen celebs

938
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: have taken a turn from the buzzfeeds out a terrible version.

939
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: But I but to your point about like the cyclical

940
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: nature of things. One thing we did notice in their

941
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: early days, and I think up until the end at Cracked,

942
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: was that robots were no longer scary to people. Like

943
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: in the eighties they were like a thing that the

944
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: whole world was terrified of, and they were all these

945
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: movie franchises and not included. Yeah, and then like starting

946
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: in about two thousand eight, two thousand nine, we just

947
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 1: like couldn't get people to read about robots in any

948
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: way unless it was like this, robots fucking cool and

949
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: does the thing that's going to solve a problem that

950
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: you have. We had at least exactly one article about

951
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: drones that got decent traffic, and then no one wanted

952
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: to read about drone war anymore. Right, that's right. Um.

953
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if some of it might also be though,

954
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: like right now, you've got a bunch of very It's

955
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: a very political time in the country, and you've got

956
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: a lot of very political movies black Kkke Klansman or

957
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: however we're supposed to pronounce its Klansman, Sorry to bother you. Um,

958
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: and like a lot of political stuff that's dropped recently,

959
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: and maybe people were like, oh, it's just a movie

960
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: about a big gass shark. That seems like it'll be

961
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to think about the that

962
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: is what. It's so broad. Yeah, and completely it's basically shark.

963
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: It distills Shark Weeks, the energy of Shark Week and

964
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: puts it into a movie that like they also engineered

965
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: to be accessible to China and America. Uh and I

966
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: think because put up forty six million in America, it

967
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: put up fifty million in China, right, that rarely has

968
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: really when you get that on screen dual of Jayson's

969
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Stephen and Lee Bing Bing, I mean, you know that's

970
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: his money in the register, bling bling. But with these two,

971
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: I think it's just because it's so uh, it's just

972
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: easy to understand big ash shark motherfucker's are scared of

973
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: humans can understand the appeal of that. Like Star Wars,

974
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: where there's a lot of cultural things as to whether

975
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 1: or not you shared story interesting. Oh yeah, big shark

976
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: attacking people. I'm scared of sharks. I've swam, like right,

977
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: and I think yeah, because like the shallows or forty

978
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: seven down, those are a little more nuanced for films,

979
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: and they're multiple sharks. I'm telling you that has something

980
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: to do with it. One of the shallows was just one, right,

981
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: was it just? It was just it was that lady

982
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: who goes out swimming gets the ship bitten out of her,

983
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: and that was a pretty fun I enjoyed that. They're intense,

984
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think with this one, you can just

985
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: look at a shot where like one shark is size

986
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: of like nine people and you're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

987
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: yeah that's shot in the trailer of like there's a

988
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: bunch of people swimming and you see the shark's mouth

989
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: and the water and big as all, and you're like, Okay,

990
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: I wanted a bunch of people. Yeah. Yeah, it's like

991
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: a Roland Emeric movie, but with a shark. Yeah exactly.

992
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: Um So yeah, maybe maybe we're just or maybe I

993
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: was overthinking it and it's just like, yeah, it's a

994
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: roll in emeric movie with the giant shark. Yeah, well,

995
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: I guess that's how much we're dumbing things down where

996
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: she were like, surely people's tastes have to be a

997
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: little more refined than some like such an aggressively BEV

998
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: movie or whatever. But at the end of the day,

999
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: you just want to see some motherfucker's getting by sharks

1000
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: eaten by sharks. Uh suproduce around a Hosnie is writing

1001
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: a question to me Team Field Trip, which, yes, yeah,

1002
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: I think that's good to go hunt down the megludon

1003
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: that lives in the Marianna's trench, right, but we we

1004
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: hijack James Cameron submarine and write it down there with

1005
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of shotguns and take out that damn fish.

1006
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, or why don't you get meg tattoos or

1007
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: that either? I thought that's what she meant by Team

1008
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: fieldtom tattoos. I'm just get a big shark on my throat.

1009
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: But I mean the first the first Jaws as a

1010
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: B movie executed by like a hitchcocky great director, and

1011
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: the first Jurassic Park. I'd say the same thing. And

1012
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: even though the first Jurassic Park has the raptors that

1013
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: still has this like the t Rex is like the

1014
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: singular uh monster that's like lurking out there that you're

1015
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: constantly aware of. It's not just like a bunch of

1016
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: different Have you seen what the projections are for this weekend?

1017
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: They think it's gonna double. They think the mega is

1018
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: gonna double. I can see that because it's it's a surprise.

1019
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: Something is a surprise. People start piling on another thing

1020
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: in one of these articles are meaning that an analyst

1021
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: did point out was sort of like it comes at

1022
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: the right time where all the traditional tent pole movies

1023
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: in the summer have already happened. People are right about

1024
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: to go to school, so you get your last hurrah

1025
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: in and it's like nothing to we like you'd not

1026
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: really have to wrap your head around it. So they're

1027
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: kind of found like a good lull. I think Crazy

1028
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: Rich Asans is going to do well this weekend too, Yeah,

1029
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: I think so. I hope that next year is nine

1030
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: or is fifty movies about sharks in fifty movies with

1031
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: Ken Jong character and it could be the sharks just

1032
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: kind of are a great metaphor for the time we

1033
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: live in now, where like we're innocent people and there

1034
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: are just a few disgusting sharks out there wanting to

1035
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: do the rest. Yeah, I mean the sharks clearly represents

1036
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, but I didn't. But I'm a spectrum cable

1037
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: um because they do not, I got words for them.

1038
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: All Right, it's time for beverage up date to beverage

1039
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: related stories. For some reason, they just happened to come

1040
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: across the transom at the same time. Miles, let's talk

1041
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: about the old can I get a cup for water skins? Okay,

1042
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't know about job, but when you're in high school,

1043
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: this is standard operating procedure when you have no money,

1044
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: which one a little bit of a soda at a

1045
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: fast food restaurant. You go up there and you say,

1046
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: can I get a cup for water please? And they

1047
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: give you the plastic sea through cup because they want

1048
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: to make sure. So this is a all about a

1049
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: man who took this a little too far. So this

1050
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: fort eight year old man, Daniel Stein in Montana, he

1051
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: pulled the same trick at Arby's and employees saw that

1052
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: he just went for the sweet sweet soda. Uh confronted him,

1053
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: he ran out, and then as he kept confronting him,

1054
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: the dude tried to the man who is the perpetrator,

1055
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: started like attacking him, tried to kick at him. So

1056
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: the boy was just like all right, fun. This called

1057
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: the cops world's most dedicated Arby's. I know the way, Like,

1058
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: come on, Liam Neeson settled, then down. I'm gonna go

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00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: on to Lim and say that was not a person

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00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: of color who was working, because you'd be like, yeah,

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00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: then anyway, excuse me, sir, you have lemonade in there.

1062
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: So the cops show up this guy, this dude data signed.

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00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: He ran into a Denny's hit in the bathroom. He

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't come out. The officers tried to get him out.

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00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: They had to physically try and open the door. He

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00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: started resisting, started fighting with the officers. He had to

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00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: be tazed. And now my man is looking at so

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00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: many charges belany robbery, then four misdemeanorsal trespass, disorderly conduct,

1069
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: obstructing a piece officer, and resisting arrest. What is the

1070
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: felony robbery because you want to save a couple of pennies. Wait,

1071
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: the felony robbery is just putting inside the water cup.

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00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if you if mother, if you steal

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00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: anything and then commit a violent crime. It can be

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00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: pumped up to a felony. An assaulting an officer is

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00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: a very broad term. Yeah, you can just be like,

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00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: they don't touch me. Oh you an officer. I've been

1077
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: covering protests. I've been shoved by a lot of police officers. Uh.

1078
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: And if you shove back, that's that's assaulting. Your head

1079
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: will be cracked. Yeah, that's what they're looking for. Um.

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00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: And then another beverage news. I just like that. This

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00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: is oh that oh this news story. Yeah, this is

1082
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: a bummer. This is more of a hack. And I

1083
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 1: saw this. Do you guys see this? This was going around,

1084
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: This is going around. It's like from an old article.

1085
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: But suddenly like a lot of people started writing it

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00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: up again. So we find out that there's a thing

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00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: flight attendants do not do. There's one thing that a

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00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: lot of flight attendants they just know better. When you're

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00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: on a flight, you do not do this one thing,

1090
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: and that is to drink straight up coffee or tea

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00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: on an airplane, or drink any of the fucking tap

1092
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: water on a plane, because it is disgusting. Right, So

1093
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: this is any anything that does not come in a bottle,

1094
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: a bottle or a can that is like where you

1095
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: can see that the seal has been broken. Like doctors

1096
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: even say, don't fill up a water bottle for a baby.

1097
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: Like now we're not talking about like in the sink

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00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, obviously you don't use that, but like

1099
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: even the drinking water that the carry around. Yeah, so

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00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: they said, yeah, or if you're immunocompromised, don't you know

1101
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: because there was a study. This is like fourteen years ago,

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00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: but still I think it still holds true. I think

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00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: they refer to some other more relevant stuff too. But

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00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: they said an a sample of hundred fifty eight planes

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00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: contained cauliform. Two of the airplanes are found to have

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00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: dangerous E. Coli in the water. And then another thing,

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00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: they say, the e p A study found that one

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: in every eight plane as fails the agency's standards for

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: water safety. Now, keep in mind the e p A

1110
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: is the government body that they look over and they

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00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: make sure the standards for plane water isn't in their purview.

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00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: So considering where the e p A is right now,

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00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: I don't think I would probably worry even more whatever

1114
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: the fund is in there, because I don't think anybody's

1115
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: gonna be checking now. I say, roll the dice, don't

1116
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: be don't be a wiss. Rolled the dice, drink the

1117
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: drink the water. Drink as much as they will give you,

1118
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: and you will be stronger. It's the same reason I

1119
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: suggest licking the floor of bathrooms when you're at the bar,

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00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: just it just makes you strong. That my mom cannot

1121
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: recommend Robert's advice on this. Uh. Robert also likes to

1122
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: make drugs that haven't been taken by humans in a

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00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: hundred years, as a whole book about that. So I'm

1124
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: just saying, when society collapses, those of us who have

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00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: been drinking the filthy airplane coffee will be the ones

1126
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: who build the world. I mean, anybody who I think

1127
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: had it was a dirty little kid and God just

1128
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: shipped all over you like dirt and you're just eating

1129
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: garbage or whatever like I used to. You're you got

1130
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: that good, good diversity hopefully in your music. Yeah, that's

1131
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: strong constitution. It's like Danny DeVito, that's why he's unkillable.

1132
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: I assumed that he is the same as he isn't

1133
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 1: always sunny, and he's trash. Your second Danny DeVito ref same.

1134
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Speaker 1: One of the better myths that I've had busted for

1135
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: me is, for some reason, I always assumed planes where

1136
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before, but in case you

1137
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: didn't hear that episode, I always assumed that it was

1138
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: the air being like spit back at us through the

1139
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: air filters and planes that like the air was full

1140
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: of germs. And it's just that every surface in an airplane,

1141
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: like they don't get cleaned everyone like how quickly they

1142
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: go in for like five minutes they Yeah, So it's

1143
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: like sitting in a you know, public restroom. Literally like

1144
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: you're sitting in a bar restroom and you're putting your

1145
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: face down on it and you're you know, it's really

1146
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: bad for you. So like the first if you want

1147
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: to avoid germs, if you just wear a biohazard suit, right,

1148
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: but no, just like wipe down your seat, wipe down

1149
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: everything around you. That's uh one of the best things

1150
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: or you do I do. I buy a plane outfit

1151
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: which is a really cheap's just T shirt and pants

1152
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: from you know, a thrift store, and I throw it

1153
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: away pond landing. I don't want to wear it no

1154
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: publicly as I walk off like I'm wearing an oversized

1155
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: tweetie bird shirt like weird sweatpants like what is He

1156
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: explained about a lot about how people dress on planes.

1157
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people who are that concerned about

1158
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 1: their gramps who have like throwaway clothes. Uh, Robert, it's

1159
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun having you man. Thank you.

1160
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you online? Well, they

1161
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: can find my podcast Behind the Bastards. We just had

1162
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: another episode drop on Tuesday. Uh, and we'll have another

1163
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: one coming out on Thursday. It's a two part series

1164
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: on Charles Coke, The Luke Skywalker of rich People. So

1165
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: I recommend checking that out, The Luke Skywalkers People. That's

1166
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: how he views himself. He just said was a Nazi,

1167
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: well not, his dad built a critical piece of infrastructure

1168
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: for the Nazis, and also said that the Nazis were

1169
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: the people who had the best culture in the world

1170
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: in night right. Yeah, and also by a Nazi nanny, yes,

1171
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: who made who measured his poop every morning, right, and

1172
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: literal Nazi went and was like, yeah, hey, I've loved

1173
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: being your nanny. But this Nazi things popping off over

1174
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: during World War Two. I'm going to go back to Germany.

1175
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: She left in nights how they're going to celebrate the

1176
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: victory over France with Hitler. That's tight. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I just like Luke skyro Gary also heard his uncle

1178
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: Ben and on Brew were tragically killed. Yes, yes, and

1179
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: that that I'm not going to make fun of him

1180
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: for that. I mean, And you know, I think Charles

1181
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: cokestream was just to go to Tashi station for some

1182
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: power converters. Yeah, that's that's what all of us want. Yeah. Yeah.

1183
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: You can also find me on Twitter at I right, okay,

1184
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: and you can find my book that Jack mentioned on Amazon,

1185
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: a Brief History Advice, So that's where you can find me.

1186
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: And also, do you have a tweet you've been enjoying. Yes, yes,

1187
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: it's the guy who did the tweet about a genie

1188
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: and he asked the genie to uh. The genie said

1189
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: he had two wishes, and his first wish was to

1190
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: replace every every G with a P, and his second

1191
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: wish was to replace an E at the end of

1192
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: every word with an S. And so the genie's name

1193
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: was Penis by the end of the joke. It's a

1194
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: great it's a great Twitter gag. That is awesome. H

1195
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: miles where can people find you? You can find me

1196
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at miles of Gray, and you know,

1197
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: shout out to Christi Yamagucci name who through some Reddit sleuthing,

1198
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: I figured out that there is a dailis like I

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Speaker 1: subreddit that they'd be running. So shout out to guy

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Speaker 1: subreddit where you guys talk about the show. I see

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01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: you out there. I'm stalking on Twitter. Uh. And in

1202
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: terms of a tweet that I'm feeling uh comes from

1203
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: Alexei Alexander, which who she wrote a tweet said, shout

1204
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: out to white mail critics who have trouble connecting to

1205
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: crazy rich Asians and black Klansman. Does it not speak

1206
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: to your experience? What's that like? I'm so lucky to

1207
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: have all these movies teaching multicultural feminists or Arabs and

1208
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: creative industries like myself. I can't imagine. All right, And

1209
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: a tweet I was enjoying from Omar nadjom it starts

1210
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: out teacher sees student sharing a note. Teacher, why don't

1211
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: you read that out loud? Student reading note? Dear teacher,

1212
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: this is an intervention. Your method that discipline be a

1213
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: public humiliation or uninspired carbon copies of Hollywood trumps. We

1214
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: wrote this letter as a class uh and you can

1215
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can

1216
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. Were at the

1217
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook campage. On

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Speaker 1: the website daily zeis dot com. You can find footnote

1219
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: for this episode in the description of the episode as

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01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: well as on our website. Footnotes are why we link

1221
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: off to the information that we've talked about source that ship,

1222
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: and we also link off to the song that we

1223
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: write out on miles. What's that gonna be? What is

1224
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: that going to be? I think I want to play

1225
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: a raven lin A song and I know during four

1226
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: twenty week I've played a track from her that was

1227
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: called Sticky, that was produced by Steven Lacey that has

1228
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: like a very sort of new R and B vibe

1229
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: to it. This is a track called sleep Talking. The

1230
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: production is much more you know, beady. I got that

1231
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: little bit of sort of fly low extra percussion in

1232
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: the background, but this is sleep Talking by raven Linna.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna write out on that. We will

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast to

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01:04:30,440 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: get by m h full unto the world, will not

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01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: make a side? Where can we be like child trend?

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01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: Then she in the crowd turn to the round. Do

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01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: let's make a shid? Can we can we? Can we

1239
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: be like child trend? Don't she in the crowd sleep

1240
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: and side by side, our fingers intertwined. We never seem

1241
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: to find or I think so, you say when we

1242
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: are awake, I cannot closure. I'll cv up your hide.

1243
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: Ask if for trying to hide that things will never

1244
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: find out. Wish you would say that's will be open.

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01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: Our stomach is not enough normal, or maybe I'm not

1246
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: everything you've got normal? Or I used to listen to

1247
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: your hearts feed while you're dreaming softly. I wish you

1248
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: would have told me that she do not s no more.

1249
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: I wish you would have spoken before our finger's broken.

1250
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: It's and their DP on your dreaming vegans with no

1251
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: worries and stories of life way back when when your

1252
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: sister would issue and still you she issue. I'm sorry,

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01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that hads you end love and thirty

1254
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: speaking slowly, say it's only when we say you wait,

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01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: said you only I would not pretend this. I needed

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01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: that but often if we would not pretend that we

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: could be friends when I left it, if you when mystaying,

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01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: your peaceful answer to to be when thirty. You're so

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01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: so lucky that I do not trust me. You only

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01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: speak away if your hands can help me? How do

1261
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: I understand? How do I understand? But you can't. Can't

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01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: come guy? It can we can? We? Can? We be

1263
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: like child trunk speaking right to me. You people always

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Speaker 1: round and lostly symptoms simm