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Speaker 2: Hello, folks, welcome to a new episode of The Sox
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Speaker 2: host Josh Nelson, and we're recording this episode on Sunday night,
Speaker 2: August twenty third. And what a dramatic weekend was for
Speaker 2: the Chicago White Sox as they win the series against
Speaker 2: the New York Mets thanks to the lawn ball so
Speaker 2: Ball Go Far, Team Go Far. The White Sox win
Speaker 2: both games thanks to the walk off home run from
Speaker 2: Jake Rogers and Tristan Peters. Of course, the most likely
Speaker 2: of home run hitters for the Chicago White Sox, but
Speaker 2: in this episode we'll also talk about the struggles for
Speaker 2: Luis Castillo and review this week's series. As the Texas
Speaker 2: Rangers are making a comeback in the American League picture
Speaker 2: postseason picture. Not only are they try and chase down
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Guardians for the wildcard spot, but they have
Speaker 2: tied with the Houston Astros and Americ League West, so
Speaker 2: this is a big series for the Texas Rangers this
Speaker 2: week in Chicago. Let's take a quick look at the
Speaker 2: American League Central standings and again the White Sox winning
Speaker 2: two out of three against the Mets, they still have
Speaker 2: the lead. They are sixty eight and sixty two. The
Speaker 2: Cleveland Guardians swept the Colorado Rockies, so they're back at
Speaker 2: sixty five and sixty six to They're back at just
Speaker 2: one game below five hundred and also back into the
Speaker 2: postseason picture. They currently host the or hold i should say,
Speaker 2: the final wildcard spot. The Minnesota Twins were swept by
Speaker 2: the San Diego Padres, so they're five and a half
Speaker 2: games back with the White Sox. The Kidsas City Royals
Speaker 2: swept the Detroit Tigers. That is a big surprise. So
Speaker 2: now the Tigers are closer to the Royals than they
Speaker 2: are to the White Sox. The Tigers are seven games
Speaker 2: back with the White Sox and just four games ahead
Speaker 2: of the Kansas City Royals. Would you take a look
Speaker 2: at the latest projections from fangrafts dot com. Fangrafts is
Speaker 2: now projecting that the White Sox have a seventy three
Speaker 2: point eight percent chance of reaching the postseason and their
Speaker 2: odds of winning the American League Central have increased to
Speaker 2: sixty one point three percent after this weekend. So let's
Speaker 2: continue talking about what happened this weekend and joining me
Speaker 2: is Sox Machines Baging Editor. It's Jim Margolus, and hello Jim,
Speaker 2: what a dramatic weekend for the Chicago White Sox. They
Speaker 2: now have eleven walk off wins this season. As you
Speaker 2: were writing up the first ten walkoff wins. Makes it
Speaker 2: so easy to do a top ten the best of
Speaker 2: the walkoff wins, but now you have another to consider,
Speaker 2: and I really think that this weekend the highlight is
Speaker 2: the lawn ball gym. The home runs were crucial in
Speaker 2: the White Sox winning this series.
Speaker 4: They were especially Game one, the finale one homer solo
Speaker 4: shot just happened to be all time. But until Grant
Speaker 4: Taylor had his worst ending in quite a long time,
Speaker 4: it was Andrew Benintendi doubling off the base of the wall,
Speaker 4: Miguel Vargus scoring from first, you know, the classic baseball action,
Speaker 4: scoring a run without the benefit of a homer, and
Speaker 4: that kind of worked for them. But yeah, it was
Speaker 4: the back to back to back homers before Rogers went
Speaker 4: deep in the ninth that defined it. And you know
Speaker 4: they kind of have to do that, and not in
Speaker 4: a bad way, but it just like the way teams
Speaker 4: are constructed, how important the home run is in every postseason,
Speaker 4: it's always a plot line is you need to figure
Speaker 4: out different ways to score runs in October. Invariably it's
Speaker 4: the team that hit the most homers that succeed in October.
Speaker 4: So as much as you'd like to have that kind
Speaker 4: of well rounded offense and have the really good sound
Speaker 4: performance with runners in scoring position, it's just the state
Speaker 4: of pitching in twenty twenty six, the state of hitting
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six to combat that pitching is such
Speaker 4: that it's really hard to string together three good played
Speaker 4: appearances in a row. And every team, or at least
Speaker 4: most teams struggle with runners in scoring position. This conversation
Speaker 4: we have about runners in scoring position with the White
Speaker 4: Sox happens basically across the league. So yeah, it is
Speaker 4: a you know, a I shouldn't say problem, but like
Speaker 4: a core identity of the White Sox. They have to
Speaker 4: hit the home run. And it's it's rather than I
Speaker 4: guess you moaning or saying like, well, they gotta figure
Speaker 4: out other ways to score. Probably the simpler way to say,
Speaker 4: keep hitting homers, keep having balls hit over the top
Speaker 4: of the fence and over hit, over gloves and over
Speaker 4: whatever it takes to get the ball over the fence.
Speaker 4: It's a lot simpler that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there was this tweet that I saw from
Speaker 2: ESPN Insights that Tristan Peters walk off home run on
Speaker 2: Sunday was the White Sox fit walk off home run
Speaker 2: this season. That's the most major League Baseball in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six. Tristan Peters is the fifth different White Sox
Speaker 2: hitter to have a walk off home run. So the
Speaker 2: list is Bradon Montgomery, Edgar Carrow, Jake Rodgers, Miguel Vargus,
Speaker 2: and now Tristan Peters, and for this White Sox team,
Speaker 2: again thanks to this weekend, they continue to climb up
Speaker 2: as far as the leader board for most home runs
Speaker 2: hit by any team in Major League Baseball. The Washington
Speaker 2: Nationals still lead the league with one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: three home runs. The Yankees are second, which is impressive
Speaker 2: because they really haven't had Aaron Judge for most of
Speaker 2: the season. They have one hundred and seventy nine home runs.
Speaker 2: The Cubs hit a lot of home runs this weekend
Speaker 2: against the Seattle Mariner, so the White Sox and Cubs
Speaker 2: fittingly are both tied with one hundred and seventy four.
Speaker 2: The Astros are one home run behind. They have one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three. The Reds have one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty nine, the Braves have one hundred and sixty seven,
Speaker 2: and so do the Dodgers. So a lot of the
Speaker 2: teams that are in the postseason race are closer to
Speaker 2: the top of the home run leader board when it
Speaker 2: comes to Major League Baseball. But then again, for the
Speaker 2: purest and for the old school, they will point at
Speaker 2: the Milwaukee Brewers towards the bottom and say the Brewers
Speaker 2: are the best record of Ajor League Baseball and they
Speaker 2: don't hit a lot of home runs, So that is
Speaker 2: a fair counterpoint. But there's more wedding teams towards the
Speaker 2: top when it comes to the home runs. But Jim,
Speaker 2: the White Sox are on pace to hit two hundred
Speaker 2: and seventeen home runs. To me, that is eye opening.
Speaker 2: If you told me before the season that the White
Speaker 2: Sox have a great chance of hitting two hundred home runs,
Speaker 2: I'd be wondering, from who is Austin Hayes hitting twenty
Speaker 2: five home runs this season? But here we are, and
Speaker 2: I definitely think they're going to hit two hundred. But
Speaker 2: I guess the question is, do you see this White
Speaker 2: Sox team reaching this projection of hitting close to two
Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen home runs this season?
Speaker 4: Some context for two seventeen, just because I wanted to
Speaker 4: see exactly where this fits in terms of what other
Speaker 4: teams have done. That would tie for fifth among all
Speaker 4: White Sox teams, all of them in the aughts. So
Speaker 4: two thousand and four they hit two forty two, two
Speaker 4: thousand and six, two thirty six, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 4: two thirty five, twenty three to twenty two thousand and
Speaker 4: two two seventeen, so they would tie that team and
Speaker 4: then you have actually, yeah, the first one, two three,
Speaker 4: seven years or all in the oughts, because then you
Speaker 4: have two thousand and two followed by two thousand and
Speaker 4: two thousand and one. Uh So, if it feels like
Speaker 4: it's that great of offense, it doesn't feel like that.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't have the yeah kind of a
Speaker 4: big three. You don't have Frank Thomas, you know in
Speaker 4: his you know, last Hurrah. I guess like in terms
Speaker 4: of his original prime you don't have that kind of
Speaker 4: big masher there. Uh to where you think, like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is two hundred homer is easy. So I'm inclined
Speaker 4: to say no. But then if you think about and
Speaker 4: you say, you're like, well, you know, they're it feels
Speaker 4: like they've eased up their pace, but not really, especially
Speaker 4: in August to where like they're still on that kind
Speaker 4: of two hundred and twenty home run pace and you're seeing, yeah,
Speaker 4: guys in the downswing a little bit like Cools Montgomery
Speaker 4: has slowed up, and like, but who's compensating for him? Well,
Speaker 4: you're going to talk about a communist six weeks and
Speaker 4: you know, so he can make up the pace that
Speaker 4: he lost in the first half. And you see like
Speaker 4: the Andrew Benintendi, Randall Gritchik, the R Andrew DH doing fine.
Speaker 4: You have like Brad Montgomery who's kind of underachieving from
Speaker 4: a power perspective. Tristan Peters seems like he's been he
Speaker 4: had been underachieving from a power perspective. It seems like
Speaker 4: after that lull that he went into after the All
Speaker 4: Star break, it seems like he's getting back into bringing
Speaker 4: pictures into his happy zones a little bit more. And
Speaker 4: then you know, maybe Kyle Teal comes back and provides
Speaker 4: a little bit of something that the Catchers haven't really had.
Speaker 4: So there's probably a way to compensate for guys who
Speaker 4: might have to ease up or might Yeah, like Colson
Speaker 4: Montgomery if he just has kind of formed the rest
Speaker 4: of the season, somebody will need to step up to
Speaker 4: brought by what we did in the first half, and
Speaker 4: maybe there's enough depth there to make it happen. So
Speaker 4: normally I kind of always bet the under on this
Speaker 4: or say like, yeah, they're not going to quite get there,
Speaker 4: but let's say they hit it, Like yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know if they get to two twenty but I feel
Speaker 4: like they could as a team get up to the
Speaker 4: two seventeen level.
Speaker 2: It's just fascinating that we are talking about one of
Speaker 2: the best home run hitting teams in White Sox franchise history.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six, Like again, a season of surprises. This
Speaker 2: has been leading the charge. I think Jim for this surprise,
Speaker 2: I think it catches a lot of people off card.
Speaker 2: You hear it in national broadcast when they talk about
Speaker 2: the White Sox. Now it's yeah, the White Sox still
Speaker 2: leading the Central Did you know the White Sox lead
Speaker 2: the American League in runs scored? And I didn't know
Speaker 2: that before this weekend. And that's a great fun little
Speaker 2: trivia nugget for the Chicago White Sox. And it kind
Speaker 2: of needs to right now, right because of how the
Speaker 2: pitching situation is. But this is where as a White
Speaker 2: Sox fan, Yes, Saturday did not go well, but it
Speaker 2: didn't really feel like sitting in the stands gym, that
Speaker 2: that game was really over until like the eighth inning,
Speaker 2: even when the White Sox were down seven to three
Speaker 2: and they were threatening when they had the bases loaded,
Speaker 2: that there was this feeling in the ballpark that they're
Speaker 2: going to figure it out, like they're gonna come back,
Speaker 2: just like the night before when the Mets had full
Speaker 2: control of that game, gym up four to nothing and
Speaker 2: then in a blink of an eye, three straight home
Speaker 2: runs and the game is tied. Like while the offense
Speaker 2: could be frustrating and it's not fun watching Colson Montgomery,
Speaker 2: Munataka Americami gym strike out, especially with runners in scoring position,
Speaker 2: but this team is still leading the pace in the
Speaker 2: American League and runs scored. And this is where I
Speaker 2: think other teams getting closer to the postseason can't sleep
Speaker 2: on the White Sox because if you do, they have
Speaker 2: this amazing ability to have these big innings to the
Speaker 2: home run.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that stat the White Sox leading the
Speaker 4: American League at run scored says about as much about
Speaker 4: them as it does the American League, because I looked
Speaker 4: it up just to see where's it fit league wide
Speaker 4: or like Major League Baseball wide, and it's a distant sixth.
Speaker 4: You have the Cubs leading the way, the Nationals basically
Speaker 4: within two runs of each other at the top at
Speaker 4: six eighty four and six eighty two, the Dodgers six
Speaker 4: fifty three, Pirates tied at six fifty three, Pirates being
Speaker 4: tied with the Dodgers, that's a surprise. Then the Brewers
Speaker 4: at six fifty so then thirty two runs later, you
Speaker 4: get to the White Sox at number six, and that's
Speaker 4: good for the White Sox, Like that's where you want
Speaker 4: the White Sox to be overall, like six and baseball, sure,
Speaker 4: you know that's that's great, but tops the American League.
Speaker 4: It's like, man, I guess with Aaron Judge being out,
Speaker 4: with the Blue Jays being a disappointment, I think you're
Speaker 4: probably expecting those teams be one to two in run scored,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's just it's not happening.
Speaker 2: Jim mentioned it earlier, but it is one of the
Speaker 2: storylines of this series. The White Sox struggles with runners
Speaker 2: in scoring position. They went two for nineteen this series
Speaker 2: with runners in scoring position. So if you are looking
Speaker 2: for ways to improve, this would be an area for
Speaker 2: Andrew bettat Teddy Jim he had four plate appearances with
Speaker 2: the bases loaded in this series and all he could
Speaker 2: muster was a sackfly. He had three plate appearances with
Speaker 2: the bases loaded on Saturday. It just couldn't come up
Speaker 2: with that big hit. For the season, the White Sox
Speaker 2: have a seven to twenty three OPS with runners in
Speaker 2: scoring position that ranks twentieth in Major League Baseball. I wonder,
Speaker 2: I guess I should ask, is this going to be
Speaker 2: the White Sox offensive achilles heel as far as trying
Speaker 2: to hold everyone off in the American League Central or
Speaker 2: even looking ahead to the postseason of if they don't
Speaker 2: win as seasies, this might be a reason why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like that's a self fulfilling prophecy in
Speaker 4: a way, because that's just another way to say that
Speaker 4: you didn't score runs, okay, and you know that that's
Speaker 4: the way you get outscored, like you typically don't get
Speaker 4: out scored not hitting at all, or you know, just
Speaker 4: we you know, we lost. Uh, you know, like the
Speaker 4: White soxers saying we lost in a three game series
Speaker 4: and we got swept and we only came up with
Speaker 4: six hits over the entire series. That's what it'd be
Speaker 4: like if they lost without hitting with runners in scoring position.
Speaker 4: So it almost feels like it's like the uh, you know,
Speaker 4: the horses behind the cart. They're just saying like it's uh,
Speaker 4: if they lose, that's probably going to be culprit no
Speaker 4: matter what, no matter what team loses, it's gonna because
Speaker 4: they didn't come up with enough clutch hits and that
Speaker 4: means that they you know, they were out pitched as well,
Speaker 4: because that means that your pitchers didn't keep the other
Speaker 4: offense in check and they didn't shut doors they limit damage.
Speaker 4: So that's why it's such a tricky thing to talk about.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's understandable. I think, especially with strikeouts, sometimes
Speaker 4: you can point the finger at strikeouts and if they're chasing,
Speaker 4: if they are getting pitched backwards predictably, and I think
Speaker 4: you see this with looking at strike three down the middle.
Speaker 4: I think that's maybe a case where you're getting out
Speaker 4: thought where your plan didn't work. You're not having the
Speaker 4: right approach. Like that's one thing where you can say
Speaker 4: they're in their heads or they are just they once
Speaker 4: they get to two strikes or once they get even
Speaker 4: down one, their entire plan becomes scrambled. That's something you
Speaker 4: can say. But I think if it's a case where
Speaker 4: you're two for seventeen, but you strike out like four
Speaker 4: times and you hit grounders or you hit like pop
Speaker 4: up like, that's becomes a case of like, did you
Speaker 4: do you have like the inability to hit in the
Speaker 4: clutch or just have a normal series and you went
Speaker 4: two for seventeen. The other team went three for sixteen,
Speaker 4: and that's all it took. Like the other team doesn't
Speaker 4: necessarily upper form you just it's the margins are so
Speaker 4: thin in a lot of games and especially the postseason,
Speaker 4: when the teams get better, that it does come down
Speaker 4: to you know, one or two bets over the course
Speaker 4: of a game or maybe even over the course of
Speaker 4: an entire series, to where it's hard to you can
Speaker 4: point to it. And certainly, like every team is looking
Speaker 4: to get better, and the White Sox wouldn't say we're
Speaker 4: fine with runners in scoring posision. It's just really a
Speaker 4: hard thing to try to address and try to We've
Speaker 4: seen the White Sox kind of do this before and
Speaker 4: in terms of trying to diversify the offense, and they
Speaker 4: just end up scoring fewer runs because if you have
Speaker 4: less power, you score a fewer runs, and if you
Speaker 4: try to sequence and stack all your hits, well that's
Speaker 4: a hard way to make a living. So like, that's
Speaker 4: why I tend to not follow this path too far,
Speaker 4: just because I think you invite creating problems by trying
Speaker 4: to solve a very specific one.
Speaker 2: I guess the good news is they had that many opportunities.
Speaker 2: Like they're getting on base, they were getting hits, they
Speaker 2: were drawing walks. Miguel Vargas drew four walks. He had
Speaker 2: a great obp day on Saturday against the New York Mets.
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk of our Commi's cold right now,
Speaker 2: Coles Montgomery is cold right now. But yet the White
Speaker 2: Sox still won this series. I find that to be
Speaker 2: a positive, and thanks to the home run, that is
Speaker 2: a way that you can overcome if you're having difficulties
Speaker 2: finding that one extra hit with runners in scoring position.
Speaker 2: I'm happy with the nineteen number. If the White Sox
Speaker 2: were six for nineteen, maybe they sweeped the Mets, Maybe
Speaker 2: they figure out a way to win on Saturday. But
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring that up because that's one of
Speaker 2: the stats from this weekend. But maybe a cap tip.
Speaker 2: The biggest out of all that happened this weekend, Congratulations
Speaker 2: to Sam Antonachi. He now sets the new single season
Speaker 2: record for getting hit by a pitch Jim twenty four.
Speaker 2: He did it, so congratulations to Sam. The new hit
Speaker 2: by Pitch Kden for the Chicago White Sox. What an honor, Jim.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked that he did it too, on a
Speaker 4: ball that barely clipped his leg, like a seam of
Speaker 4: the ball hit a seam of his pants in that
Speaker 4: being good enough, just a real sense of you know
Speaker 4: his body and you know what can move and what
Speaker 4: can't and what gets locked down, especially since later in
Speaker 4: the game a j Ewing got his elbow out of
Speaker 4: the way of a Grant Tailor fastball, and obviously you
Speaker 4: know Grant Taylor fastball. Yeah you're not, Yeah, but Sam
Speaker 4: and to not you know, like a guy with his
Speaker 4: skill set probably doesn't get out of the way or it
Speaker 4: gets like the right part of his shoulder or tricep
Speaker 4: in the way and takes a glancing blow. And and
Speaker 4: you know the that that prevented the Mets because Ewing
Speaker 4: got of the way. You know, coward that he is.
Speaker 4: I say that jokingly because that I get invited to
Speaker 4: stand into a batting cage and take a ninety five
Speaker 4: mile per hour fastball or don't have any interest in
Speaker 4: doing that, but just with without having I guess the
Speaker 4: technique or Antonachi just kind of having that be such
Speaker 4: a part of his game is just like I gotta
Speaker 4: get on base no matter what, and I will especially
Speaker 4: the bases loaded. Uh, you would imagine see that those
Speaker 4: shoulders kind of fixed in place there and just only
Speaker 4: rotating with the hip to try to get a piece
Speaker 4: of them. But that you know, that changed the game
Speaker 4: with you and getting on the way. So I think,
Speaker 4: you know, it is a testament to Antonagi's ability to
Speaker 4: just kind of understand where his body is going to
Speaker 4: be and what parts can afford to be fixed in
Speaker 4: place and still not miss a game. With this, I
Speaker 4: will say that's a little bittersweet that. You know, Minni
Speaker 4: Minoso held that record for fifty six so seventy years
Speaker 4: share of it. Like Carlos Quinton seemed like he should
Speaker 4: have lapped them, but you know he had the injury
Speaker 4: in that one year. But like Minoso led that led
Speaker 4: the league ten times and hit by pitches. That was
Speaker 4: a big part of his game. That was, you know,
Speaker 4: part of how he got in base so much, and
Speaker 4: then you know he ran like hell when he got
Speaker 4: on the bases, and it was really a big part
Speaker 4: of the identity of those teams. So to see him
Speaker 4: not off that perch is a little sad, But then
Speaker 4: I remember that Minosa is in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: and all those little things of just like you know,
Speaker 4: you gotta remember how he's hit by pitches and how
Speaker 4: he led the league in triples and stolen bases and
Speaker 4: really redefined the game, and a lot of that's you
Speaker 4: got to remember this guy is because he wasn't in
Speaker 4: the Hall, and so now that he is, it's a
Speaker 4: lot simpler to say, oh, he's a Hall of Famer
Speaker 4: and then have that summarize or be a shorthand reference
Speaker 4: for just how good he was in a variety of ways.
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to Sam. Maybe he could get to thirty.
Speaker 2: He's currently second right now in Major League Baseball with
Speaker 2: twenty four hit by pitches. Ivan Herrera for Saint Louis
Speaker 2: has been hit by a pitch twenty seven times, so
Speaker 2: we may have a couple of players who reached the
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sox Machi podcast. Let's quickly review
Speaker 2: what happened for Luis Castillo. So even though the home
Speaker 2: runs and the walk off wins, very exciting, very happy
Speaker 2: to be a White Sox fan winning that series against
Speaker 2: the Mets, Luis Castillo is a big reason why Saturday
Speaker 2: went sideway for the White Sox, as he did not
Speaker 2: get through the third inning. He threw eighty two bitches.
Speaker 2: He threw over forty pitches in that third inning and
Speaker 2: still couldn't get out of the inning. So his final
Speaker 2: line was two and two thirds against the Mets with
Speaker 2: eight hits, four earned runs allowed, one walk, and three strikeouts.
Speaker 2: And since Castillo has joined the Chicago White Sox in
Speaker 2: four starts, it's only eighteen and a third innings. His
Speaker 2: earn run average with the White Sox is five point
Speaker 2: eight nine, he's walked five and he has struck out nineteen.
Speaker 2: Ten of those strikeouts came in the one start against Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of brought into attention for me Jim.
Speaker 2: As far as the trade deadline moves for the White Sox,
Speaker 2: we graded Chris Gatz. You gave him a CE I
Speaker 2: split C plus James Vegan. Now the Sun Times gave
Speaker 2: them a B. And when we're looking at these moves
Speaker 2: and the immediate impact, I know it's just three weeks
Speaker 2: after the trade deadline, but the White Sox are not
Speaker 2: getting much from Luis Castillo. Huascar brazobah Is, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on with him, as he gave up
Speaker 2: another home run on Saturday night, Brenton Doyle has been okay,
Speaker 2: Joey Bart probably missing the rest of this season because
Speaker 2: of an injury. So the best acquisition so far is
Speaker 2: Jose Orchidi, which we all predicted when the White Sox
Speaker 2: made that trade. What are we supposed to do with this?
Speaker 2: I know it's only three weeks, Jim, And sometimes we
Speaker 2: fall into this trap as far as the sports media world,
Speaker 2: where we just instantly have to come up with a
Speaker 2: verdict on how moves went. But is there something here?
Speaker 2: Maybe the lesson learned from the Miguel Vargas trade where
Speaker 2: we really harshly graded Chris s Gatz and what the
Speaker 2: White Sox did in that move. When now we look
Speaker 2: at how that move happened two years ago, and everyone's
Speaker 2: thrilled because not only are the White Sox taking advantage
Speaker 2: of Miguel Vargas now and his production, but they still
Speaker 2: have Eric Betty Funny how baseball life works. So I guess,
Speaker 2: with that experience of just two trade deadlines ago and
Speaker 2: how Vargas has become the player that he has, should
Speaker 2: we be a little bit more cautious before casting judgment
Speaker 2: and what happened to the White Sox at this trade deadline?
Speaker 4: Yes, and no. I would say that when it comes
Speaker 4: to like wasatcar Brasabon and the way he's pitched so far,
Speaker 4: like he's there for immediate help. He was supposed to
Speaker 4: be plug and play. It looked like a fine pickup
Speaker 4: for a decent price, and fine in terms of like
Speaker 4: we say, like satisfactory, not fine in terms of like
Speaker 4: very good. You look like he was more or less
Speaker 4: fit the bill for what they needed is just right
Speaker 4: hand and depth. But looking into his late season performances,
Speaker 4: there's a tendency of fur fade there. And he faded
Speaker 4: with the met when they acquired him from the Marlins
Speaker 4: for the last couple of months, and so that and
Speaker 4: then fangrafts commentaries as well, saying like, well he could
Speaker 4: very well turn into a pumpkin reading the post and
Speaker 4: comments there, and sure enough, like it happened immediately. So
Speaker 4: that's one where you think, like, well, was there a
Speaker 4: scouting mist there or was there a case of just
Speaker 4: you know, maybe not paying enough heat, especially for a
Speaker 4: season where he's being worked fairly regularly. Is thirty six
Speaker 4: years old. He's a young thirty six in terms of
Speaker 4: major League mileage, but he's he's lived quite the career.
Speaker 4: So that's one where I'd say, like, it's that doesn't
Speaker 4: quite fit the Vargas path. Same thing with Castillo. That
Speaker 4: was the one I was most skeptical about because it
Speaker 4: seemed like they were running a risk of taking a
Speaker 4: bad Sir Anthony, Diminga's contract and making it worse because
Speaker 4: of just either Diminga's fatigue or feeling like there's a
Speaker 4: by low gamble here with Castillo. But if it's not,
Speaker 4: then like now you're with a more onerous contract to
Speaker 4: try to have to unload or work around on the books,
Speaker 4: especially if they're not ready to really scale up their
Speaker 4: spending yet. So that's one where I kind of concerned
Speaker 4: me in terms of, like, is this like a just
Speaker 4: a panic move and just the the operative of getting
Speaker 4: out from under Domingas and avoiding awkwardness of the bullpen.
Speaker 4: He invited a different kind of problem by bringing in Castillo.
Speaker 4: I think Doyle might be the one that fits the
Speaker 4: Vargas one of the most. He's not like a post
Speaker 4: type prospect. He's had a few years, and he's had
Speaker 4: like one good year already with the Rockies, but in
Speaker 4: terms of hasn't been able to recapture it. You know,
Speaker 4: he's been kind of out of sorts. He came to
Speaker 4: the White Sox wanting to feel like he used to,
Speaker 4: and the White Sox might have an idea for it.
Speaker 4: In the meantime, serves a purpose of helping protect Tristan
Speaker 4: Peters a little bit against lefties and gives the White
Speaker 4: Sox as true centerfielders, so Peters doesn't have to be
Speaker 4: out there if the White Sox really would rather or
Speaker 4: avoid it. So he already serves a purpose now the
Speaker 4: way like Vargas served a purpose by getting starts even
Speaker 4: when it was going awful for him and he looked miserable.
Speaker 4: And that's the one guy I would say, like, let's
Speaker 4: wait for next year for that one to kind of
Speaker 4: have a verdict there because at least he's playing defense
Speaker 4: up the middle and that helps his team. But I
Speaker 4: think with Castillo and Brasobauond and just you know Castillo, yeah,
Speaker 4: he has another year of control. Brazo Bond's got multiple
Speaker 4: years of team control, so you don't want to write
Speaker 4: him off immediately. But they were veterans acquired for immediate help.
Speaker 4: And when Castillo doesn't go three innings and with Brazemon
Speaker 4: gets he's he's getting rocked right now. I mean it's
Speaker 4: not only runs, but just just a stream of hard
Speaker 4: hit balls and balls hit in the air. The ground
Speaker 4: ball rates like half of what it was with the Mets.
Speaker 4: Like that's that's scary, or like that's uh, now that's
Speaker 4: the front man or bulman. He might be optioned. The
Speaker 4: White Sox might have to option him if it keeps
Speaker 4: going that way, just because of it's not working and
Speaker 4: and when's he going to pitch? So that's I think,
Speaker 4: you know, and Joey Bart is irrelevant just because of
Speaker 4: two games bad luck. They have Jake Rodgers. Now he
Speaker 4: fits that veteran catcher bill, so you just shrug off
Speaker 4: that one. But yeah, I think that's you can't quite say,
Speaker 4: you know, wait for Miguil Vargas, just because they are
Speaker 4: competing this year. And while these moves have twenty twenty
Speaker 4: seven value, theoretically, Chris Getz really needed to help twenty
Speaker 4: twenty six as well, given where the team is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I'm a bit surprised that they're not
Speaker 2: getting much out of Luis Castillo Jim, at least on
Speaker 2: the innings front, like a first start, four innings, second start,
Speaker 2: best start, and one that we thought was going to
Speaker 2: spur a comeback for Luis Castilla when he went seven
Speaker 2: innings against Cincinnati his last two his third start against
Speaker 2: the Cubs, four and two thirds innings. Can't get out
Speaker 2: of the fifth inning. Maybe if Vargas makes that defensive player,
Speaker 2: if he doesn't throw it past Mark, maybe Castillo gets
Speaker 2: through that fifth inning. But he just did not. He
Speaker 2: didn't have like a strikeout pitch against the Mets, like,
Speaker 2: he just could not get out of that third inning.
Speaker 2: Just really high pitch counts, only going two and two thirds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just he just couldn't figure out an outpitch like against
Speaker 2: the Mets. And it's only eighteen innings that he's covered
Speaker 2: in forced arts And I really thought this is a
Speaker 2: guy that could give you at least five you know,
Speaker 2: the White Sox really need that right now. And if
Speaker 2: he is a liability, I know we're talking about like
Speaker 2: the White Sox starting rotation is like three guys and
Speaker 2: then it's two bullpen games, but really it just feels
Speaker 2: like two and a half starting pitchers. I have confidence
Speaker 2: in Anthony K. Jim. I have confidence that Sean Burke
Speaker 2: no idea what Luis Castillo. Like, right now, out of
Speaker 2: the first four starts, it's more likely that they're going
Speaker 2: to have to use the bullpen for at least five
Speaker 2: innings in a Luis Castillo's start, and that completely defeats
Speaker 2: the purpose and why the White Sox acquired him in
Speaker 2: the first place. So I kind of put the onus
Speaker 2: on Castillo here because Jim, he's the veteran, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know how quickly the White Sox can make adjustments
Speaker 2: with him, And I know that they want him to
Speaker 2: throw more change ups as far as like the pitch
Speaker 2: calling mix. But he's got to step it up here, man,
Speaker 2: Like that can't happen again like it did against the Mets.
Speaker 2: So the next time he makes a start for the
Speaker 2: White Sox, it's going to be a big one. It's
Speaker 2: going to be in Minneapolis at Target Field against the
Speaker 2: Twins who are still holding out for Hope. Jim, they
Speaker 2: really need Luis Castillo to figure this out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's especially when you look at the other starters
Speaker 4: that went, Like watching Clay Holmes pitch pretty well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the case where it seemed like, I know, Chris
Speaker 4: gets has to worry about next year's rotation as well,
Speaker 4: and that you know, this was an opportunity to try
Speaker 4: to find somebody who's an awkward fit for their team.
Speaker 4: And so, like I understand the appeal of trading Dominga,
Speaker 4: So you don't want your roster for Castillo, it's a
Speaker 4: change of scene to re trade for both one team's
Speaker 4: headaches might become a benefit to the other team just
Speaker 4: because of opportunities. There's so many bullpen spots, there are
Speaker 4: so many rotation spots. The barrier for contributing is relatively
Speaker 4: low when you need a fifth starter or if you
Speaker 4: need like a sixth inning reliever. So you understand why
Speaker 4: Chris gets saw an opportunity here, But it did feel
Speaker 4: kind of too cute by half just trying to see
Speaker 4: like pull you know, not that he's trying to pull
Speaker 4: an over in the Mariners. Like everybody's got needs and
Speaker 4: ideally like every trade would be win win, or at
Speaker 4: least a lot of trades would be win win, because
Speaker 4: you know, you want reason to keep trading, You want
Speaker 4: a reason to to uh for teams to see your
Speaker 4: roster as a way to solve problems and vice versa.
Speaker 4: But it almost seemed like yes, you know, Castillo has
Speaker 4: been this awkward fit the whole time. He hasn't been
Speaker 4: able to get guys out. Yes, he throws change up
Speaker 4: more when he's been throwing sliders for years. It did
Speaker 4: seem a little bit too on the nose to be
Speaker 4: that simple, and so far it's proven the case. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess the good news is a few turns left
Speaker 4: the rotation. Probably Davis Martin is when he's ready to return.
Speaker 4: That might be when there's a big reckoning with any
Speaker 4: rotation spots and who who gets kicked down. You're seeing
Speaker 4: Eric Fetti bounce back in this bulk role after being
Speaker 4: bumped the bullpen like maybe he's earned a reason to
Speaker 4: hang around in his current rotation arrangement after being bumped
Speaker 4: out by Castile when he arrived. So yeah, I think
Speaker 4: I'm looking at Davis Martin's return is for when this
Speaker 4: conversation gets a lot more serious.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I did not take that into consideration of
Speaker 2: Castillo b moved to the Jim. It's so much money.
Speaker 2: That's why it's a lot of money. But it's all
Speaker 2: about performance now for the rest of the season, and
Speaker 2: Castillo really needs to pick it up that end. Brazobond.
Speaker 2: The White Sox have to figure out what's going on
Speaker 2: with him too. I don't know if anyone's ready to
Speaker 2: go in Charlotte to replace Brasobon, but the White Sox
Speaker 2: need more out of the guys they acquired before the
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sox with Chip podcast at Texas
Speaker 2: Rangers now visit the Chicago White Sox. And you wouldn't
Speaker 2: believe it, but the Rangers at sixty five and sixty six,
Speaker 2: are currently tied for first place in the America League
Speaker 2: West with the Houston Astros. They won their last game.
Speaker 2: They are five and five in their last ten. They
Speaker 2: have not been great on the road this year. They
Speaker 2: are twenty nine and thirty seven. All three games between
Speaker 2: the White Sox and Ras this week are at six
Speaker 2: forty pm Central Time. Your first game on Monday night,
Speaker 2: it's Kumar Rocker, who has been awesome against the White Sox.
Speaker 2: So that's the bad news. The White Sox have to
Speaker 2: figure out Kumar Rocker. But Jose Erkidi is right now.
Speaker 2: They're going to be the starter for the White Sox,
Speaker 2: the projected bulk guy. We'll see how far he goes again.
Speaker 2: He was electric against the Chicago Cubs at his last outing.
Speaker 2: On Tuesday night, it's Jacob de Gram for the Texas
Speaker 2: Rangers against Anthony K for the White Sox. And on
Speaker 2: Wednesday nights it's McKenzie Gore for the Texas Rangers against
Speaker 2: Sean Burke and Jim This is an interesting series because
Speaker 2: Texas really needs this one to keep their postseason hopes alive.
Speaker 2: This is not an easy pitching matchup for the White
Speaker 2: Sox offense. Kumar Rocker has had outstanding starts against the
Speaker 2: White Sox, but the White Sox did hit Jacob de
Speaker 2: Gram a little bit, and we'll see how they fare
Speaker 2: against McKenzie Gore. But at least on the pitching front
Speaker 2: here for the White Sox, they got Anthony K and
Speaker 2: they got Sean Burke going. It's been a lot of stress.
Speaker 2: It's been a lot of anxiety watching these White Sox
Speaker 2: games the last couple of weeks, and I have a
Speaker 2: feeling it's going to be more of the same in
Speaker 2: this series. It gets a Texas Rangers. How are you
Speaker 2: feeling about this series between the White Sox and Rangers.
Speaker 4: I would like to see the White Sox win two
Speaker 4: out of three, and not just for the obvious benefits
Speaker 4: of hosting a White Sox podcast where we want people
Speaker 4: to enjoy the product, but also because of you know,
Speaker 4: watching the NL or Ale West just not surface a
Speaker 4: real threat and kind of giving the Central a little
Speaker 4: bit of a boost just by no longer being the
Speaker 4: default bad division or of the division where just like,
Speaker 4: what are these records even reminds me of nineteen ninety
Speaker 4: four before the strike? Oh yeah, the Rangers were leading
Speaker 4: the Ale West at fifty two and sixty two, ten
Speaker 4: games that are five hundred good enough to lead just
Speaker 4: the Royals were in third place in the AL Central
Speaker 4: that year at sixty four and fifty one. That's that's
Speaker 4: how that was like the end of the kind of
Speaker 4: that Royals era of being like a real respectable team
Speaker 4: like year in and year outs in the eighties and nineties,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of where it all started falling apart
Speaker 4: from them. But yeah, it's I haven't been able to
Speaker 4: figure out the Rangers all year. Haven't been able to
Speaker 4: figure out the mirror. I guess easier to figure out
Speaker 4: the Mariners now, just because they've had some really ugly
Speaker 4: games and cal Rally doesn't look like he's gonna rally
Speaker 4: this year, and you realize how much of the Mariners
Speaker 4: kind of built around him offensively, And yeah, it's not
Speaker 4: to going from a near MVP season to average would
Speaker 4: be something, but to go from near MVP and build
Speaker 4: your team kind of around that person to one of
Speaker 4: the worst players in the league is really remarkable. And
Speaker 4: then the Astros, I think have been kind of what
Speaker 4: I thought the Astros would be and that just kind
Speaker 4: of getting thinned out over the years, but still formidable
Speaker 4: if you catch them the right series. So I feel
Speaker 4: like I understand the Astros, but the Rangers, and uh,
Speaker 4: I guess the Rangers now, the one team I you know,
Speaker 4: still standing, seems like they could get a hide any
Speaker 4: time because like the name brand pitching like de Gram
Speaker 4: and Gore, it's a good uh you know, back to
Speaker 4: back starters and they they're able to have like a
Speaker 4: rotation turn that looks really impressive, but just the results
Speaker 4: aren't there. The lineups sometimes a little bit short. Even
Speaker 4: though it's name brand talent. There too, and yeah, it's
Speaker 4: it's not an easy matchup for the White Sox. But
Speaker 4: I think the Rangers in the entire year have been
Speaker 4: playing a little bit like behind teams or other teams
Speaker 4: are giving them a hard time that they wouldn't expect.
Speaker 4: So the White Sox seem like, yeah, there's a strain
Speaker 4: of pessimism, I would say, And I'm sure you've noticed
Speaker 4: this too, and the comments and you know elsewhere, just
Speaker 4: you're waiting for the bomb to fall out. But I
Speaker 4: think the yeah, the Rangers are a decent team there.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I would say kind of close to the
Speaker 4: Reds a little bit, and that's the Red Star White Sox.
Speaker 4: But just you know, they're they're in that middle class
Speaker 4: and they should be able to win any series. But
Speaker 4: also there's a reason why they're still under five hundred
Speaker 4: this points, and uh, the White Sox there's a reason
Speaker 4: why they're over five hundred. So uh but I really
Speaker 4: want to see a team win the division under five hundred,
Speaker 4: just to uh make it, make the make October real weird.
Speaker 4: And I would like the White Sox to have hand
Speaker 4: in that.
Speaker 2: Fly that banner, right, yeah, banners fly forever. America League
Speaker 2: Quest champion seventy and eighty three.
Speaker 4: The White Yeah, and the way it happened the White Sox,
Speaker 4: the White Sox would take it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it happened the last three years. Absolutely yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The White Sox have already hit the over for their
Speaker 2: over under total wins for the season. Those bets cashed
Speaker 2: if you were on the over for win total for
Speaker 2: the White Sox in late August, which is a a
Speaker 2: pleasant surprise. Though. The other thing I'm gonna be paying
Speaker 2: attention to other than can the White Sox score runs
Speaker 2: against Kumar Rocker Jim, because again, Rocker has been excellent
Speaker 2: against the White Sox in his young career. If who's
Speaker 2: a Yrkidi held go five or six innings, fantastic. But
Speaker 2: this is also the end of this sixteen straight game
Speaker 2: stretch over sixteen days, and the White Sox get a
Speaker 2: much needed day off on Thursday, and then it's a
Speaker 2: key series against the Minnesota Twins, and I'm looking to
Speaker 2: see if Davis Martin's gonna be ready to rejoin the
Speaker 2: White Sox. He's eligible to come back. But I know
Speaker 2: you cover the minor keys for us, and you've been
Speaker 2: keeping an eye on how guys are faring in Charlotte,
Speaker 2: and I just don't think the White Sox can continue
Speaker 2: doing this whole back to back bull type of games
Speaker 2: to get through September, And I know September call up
Speaker 2: period is also coming up. Is this also a week
Speaker 2: to kind of keep an eye on Charlotte to see
Speaker 2: who deserves another chance to be a starting pitcher, Like,
Speaker 2: is it possible we could see maybe Noah Schultz or
Speaker 2: Drew Thorpe or even Shane Smith joined the White Sox
Speaker 2: this upcoming weekend in Minneapolis to take a start.
Speaker 4: I would rule out Smith not going well for him.
Speaker 4: The fastball was at ninety three his last start on Sunday,
Speaker 4: so it's yeah, and I think he has to bully
Speaker 4: hitters with the fastball in order to be what he
Speaker 4: was last year, and it doesn't seem like he's able
Speaker 4: to summon that, so set him to the side. I
Speaker 4: think the candidates are you know, Schultz, you mentioned right
Speaker 4: now he's being limited to fore innings, Like, I'm not
Speaker 4: sure what the plan is the rest of the season
Speaker 4: for him if he's thrown four innings not you know,
Speaker 4: maybe it's like a left handed version of Fetti to
Speaker 4: where like he's more of a bulk guy then a
Speaker 4: starter who's gonna give you six. But like his development
Speaker 4: is kind of in a holding pattern right now as
Speaker 4: they try to get him through the rest of the year.
Speaker 4: I would say maybe Drew Thorpe would be the most
Speaker 4: ready of the starters, just because he's been completing five
Speaker 4: with ease. The change up looks like it's back for him.
Speaker 4: It's just a matter of like, does he have enough
Speaker 4: power to really allow the change it to play up
Speaker 4: that often? And are the slider and cutter distinct pitches
Speaker 4: at the major league level? Do you hit or see
Speaker 4: them differently? Do they help set them up different ways?
Speaker 4: As he goes through the lineup multiple times, But based
Speaker 4: on what he's shown in Triple A as he completes
Speaker 4: his rehab, stant looks like he's at least ready to
Speaker 4: show what that looks like against major league hitters. If
Speaker 4: it doesn't go well, it doesn't go well. But in
Speaker 4: terms of just how easily he's throwing five and competing
Speaker 4: in the strike zone and getting swings and misses with
Speaker 4: that change up when he sets it up, and he's
Speaker 4: setting it up, then yeah, may as well go with him.
Speaker 4: I think Jonathan Cannon's other guy who's just if they
Speaker 4: need somebody to go six, like he's been going six
Speaker 4: when it's going well. Sometimes it doesn't go well, but
Speaker 4: he's been able to like absorb a rough inning and
Speaker 4: keep going. I think he's more of a part in
Speaker 4: the pun But like fodder, you canon fodder, He's more
Speaker 4: somebody you put in there just to buy a day.
Speaker 4: If it goes well, goes well. If not, you can
Speaker 4: still try to push them five innings plus and just
Speaker 4: save your bullpen. He's probably the best case for that
Speaker 4: if you don't necessarily care about his era how it
Speaker 4: looks at the end of the season. And then David
Speaker 4: Sandlin is there as well. He's pitching okay in terms
Speaker 4: of results. The peripherals don't quite match it, and it's
Speaker 4: hard to know based on the stuff is legit in
Speaker 4: terms of like velocity, the sharpness of his curveball, Like
Speaker 4: when he executes a great curve ball off a fast while,
Speaker 4: you get like, oh, this is a major league pitch combination.
Speaker 4: And maybe he doesn't get strikeouts because like hitters are
Speaker 4: just off balance and they're able to make contact. But
Speaker 4: you know he's limiting hit and maybe that's how it
Speaker 4: manifests itself. But you know, we've seen him, you know,
Speaker 4: a few times at the major league level and can
Speaker 4: hit a wall and you have to worry about that.
Speaker 4: So I think I would put him with Schultz on
Speaker 4: the second tier. I think Thorpe is top tier for
Speaker 4: me in terms of choices, and then you blow them
Speaker 4: as cannon for one reason, and then Sandlin and Schultz
Speaker 4: for the other reason of just like you might get
Speaker 4: three dynamic innings, but after that's beyond guard.
Speaker 2: All right, No, that's good insights. So thank you for that, Jim.
Speaker 2: And again we'll see how this week shakes out. Of course,
Speaker 2: we're all going to be paid attention to how the
Speaker 2: White Sox fair gets the Rangers this week at great Field.
Speaker 2: But even after the day off, the White Sox hopefully
Speaker 2: could find some answers as we inched close to September
Speaker 2: for the final run of the twenty twenty six season,
Speaker 2: thirty two more games left to go, Jim, here you go.
Speaker 2: This is the mad dash to the finish line for everybody,
Speaker 2: and it seems like a lot of teams are still
Speaker 2: live in the Marrikie League, and the White Sox still
Speaker 2: have the second seed and still leading the American League Central.
Speaker 4: Of course, thirty two games, that will feel thirty two games,
Speaker 4: it will feel like sixty four.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna feel. It's gonna be a law month.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a long months like in his White
Speaker 2: Sox team.
Speaker 4: It's like when you know, teams go to extra innings
Speaker 4: and they say free baseball, and it's like free baseball
Speaker 4: the month. It sounds fun. It's not, but it is
Speaker 4: fun for games to count, for decisions to matter, for
Speaker 4: players and coaches. The second guests like, it's after three
Speaker 4: years being what the last three years were, it's nice
Speaker 4: to get this granular and for it starts to matter,
Speaker 4: and for over achievement under achievement to resonate this much.
Speaker 2: It's that Paul run me, look at us. Can you
Speaker 2: believe it? I can't. But it's a great time to
Speaker 2: be a White Sox fan. It was a dramatic series
Speaker 2: win against the Mets. Let's see if there's more dramatics
Speaker 2: this week against the Texas Rangers. But that will do
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