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Speaker 1: the Monday show. Me Around the NFL Podcast have a

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Speaker 1: billion dollar idea. Welcome to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Kansas. I'm coming

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Speaker 1: to you from city filled with heroes and bunkers. Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesley, What is up? Gentleman? Hey d it's a

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Speaker 1: gentleman instead of boys. Finally, classy, sophisticated. Um, how is everybody?

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Speaker 1: How was your weekend? I like the weekends. It is

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Speaker 1: quite a difference, I mean with the schools and the shows.

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Speaker 1: Like it's a relief to get to the weekends. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I find myself drifting away on the weekends. I kind

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Speaker 1: of need this daily UM exercise that we do to

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Speaker 1: keep us or keep me somewhat sane. UM. I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the weekend quite a bit. I was talking to Erica

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Speaker 1: before the show that I've started to look back over

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Speaker 1: the past couple of months of like the things that

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Speaker 1: always be able to do this, and it was remind

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Speaker 1: I remind I thought about the night that Dan and

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Speaker 1: I we almost went to France UM and to Paris

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Speaker 1: from UM a late night UK bar, but we thought

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Speaker 1: it's too audacious an idea. We'll do what another tense like,

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Speaker 1: I wish we had done that. Now I'm just looking

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Speaker 1: back saying, like that will that may never happen again?

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Speaker 1: And you know, with the way things of working out now,

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Speaker 1: with the world turned upside down and then the uncertain

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Speaker 1: nature of the NFL season, I'm very worried that we

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Speaker 1: won't get to go to London this year. And who knows,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, now you're talking two

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Speaker 1: years down the line, you know where the world is

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Speaker 1: filled with unknowns. I guess what is the lesson here? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Grab life by ther carpet and and the lesson is

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Speaker 1: Dan is now in into other countries, um, other than

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Speaker 1: our own, which I like. That's good. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a trope being perpetuated by you guys. But I do

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Speaker 1: that stuff with you all the time. So UM. I

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Speaker 1: didn't really come that close to going to France either.

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Speaker 1: That was more assessler fever dream that maybe I could

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Speaker 1: that would have been great because who knows. We got

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Speaker 1: a nice show coming up today. Did everybody watch the

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Speaker 1: Last Dance? Definitely? I have yet to do that, but

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Speaker 1: thousand sports writers tweeting about it. I thinks exact same time,

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Speaker 1: Mark will never watch it. I will watch it. I

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Speaker 1: have I will watch it and catch up and we'll

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Speaker 1: watch it. But I haven't yet. Hyes, I thought of

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Speaker 1: you while I was watching it, because you spoke very

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Speaker 1: eloquently on the on the matter on our Twitter show

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Speaker 1: on Friday. And Michael Wilbon is a guy I think

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Speaker 1: we all respect. At one point he was one of

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Speaker 1: the talking heads and if you don't know the Last Dance,

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Speaker 1: it's a ten part ESPN documentary about Michael Jordan's focusing

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Speaker 1: there's only really three guys in the history of American

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Speaker 1: and it's Michael Jordan's did get me thinking that football is,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, there's something more than just like racking

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Speaker 1: And Ricky has put up at the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: he's so exciting. Right, Let's say this about Jordan's. Likeing

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Speaker 1: And what we have, we have stuff to get to

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Speaker 1: we should move on, although would be fun to do

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Speaker 1: an entire Michael Jordan's NFL podcast. That seems weird. But

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Speaker 1: so it he's he's different. But thinking about your question,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's football is too much of a team sport,

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Speaker 1: You know, Michael Jordan's globalized basketball. Muhammad Ali met with

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Speaker 1: Bob McGinn is joining us from the athletic to break

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Speaker 1: down all the great draft heat and there's so much

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Speaker 1: But before that, let's do some news I've been telling

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Speaker 1: at any cost. Jordan is the most talented player in

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Speaker 1: the NBA by five, the show of the nineties, the

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Speaker 1: team of the nineties. Whenever they speak, Michael Jordan's she speaks.

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Speaker 1: We created an image that people want to live up to.

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Speaker 1: I think that's all you can hope for him. And

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Speaker 1: before the news, just a reminder tomorrow, Big day as

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Speaker 1: we get closer to the draft, Tuesday, we will have

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Speaker 1: the annual Mark Sessler Mock Draft. That will be an

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Speaker 1: audio show and also we're double dipping. The Twitter Show

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Speaker 1: returns usually on Friday. This week, it will be on

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Speaker 1: and it's late night. It's fun over in the UK

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Speaker 1: would be although, you know what, the last time I

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Speaker 1: we go and Mark, we're excited about that mock draft. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's start with Leonard four Nette. So you know Leonard Fournette,

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Speaker 1: would be great in Jacksonville. Well, Jacksonville, you know they

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Speaker 1: might be okay with Cam Newton coming to the Jaguars,

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Speaker 1: but they also may be okay with Leonard Fournette not

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Speaker 1: being with Jacksonville rap Sheet reported that the Jaguars had

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Speaker 1: trade talks centered around four Net for more than a month,

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Speaker 1: and they circled back with teams in the last three days,

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Speaker 1: a k a. They're aggressively shopping the former first round pick.

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Speaker 1: ESPN's Josina Anderson reports that the Bucks are not expected

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Speaker 1: to be a taker. Uh. They were connected to the

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Speaker 1: According to Anderson, Grey what kind of market does Leonard

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Speaker 1: four Nett have at this stage of the game. Obviously

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Speaker 1: has been a disappointment since coming into the league. I

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Speaker 1: would guess very little too possibly none. Uh, he's due

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Speaker 1: four million dollars this year. Can they get a conditional

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Speaker 1: But I think that's about the area we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: almost want to show him. They want to show him

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Speaker 1: like what the league thinks of him, that that's all

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get for him, is like a seventh round

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Speaker 1: conditional pick. The Jaguars used him as a three down back.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of another franchise that would use him

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Speaker 1: on passing downs. He's just not that good at it

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Speaker 1: passing downs. I think he's limited in his skill set.

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Speaker 1: second downs, but he's gonna need a tunnel to run

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Speaker 1: he's been oversleeping, he's been tardy, he's been moody, and

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Speaker 1: and Mark, will you play the role of Tony Khan.

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Speaker 1: Yes to friend of the show. He's he's spoken with

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Speaker 1: us before at the owners meetings. He is the UM

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Speaker 1: what is his role exactly? He's owner of football and

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Speaker 1: in charge of football analytics at the Jaguars, according to

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Speaker 1: his Twitter profile. Okay, shodkn is his father. I think

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Speaker 1: he's e v P. Now, yeah I was. I said

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Speaker 1: I thought, and I was just going off the Twitter profile,

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Speaker 1: but that sounds right west. Here we go, Yannick hashtag

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Speaker 1: free youn no answer at Tony Khan, stop hiding? Mo?

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Speaker 1: All right now? This from Tony. Connie responds. He says,

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Speaker 1: I'm not in hiding, sir, I'm in isolation getting ready

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Speaker 1: for the draft. I've been pretty active on social media

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Speaker 1: in isolation. But you wouldn't know that since you on

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Speaker 1: followed me in parentheses again where the you? It runs

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Speaker 1: by holding his face and all his friends are going

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Speaker 1: crazy behind him. Okay, since you're feeling my today. What

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Speaker 1: Since you're feeling my today, let's both let the world

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Speaker 1: in on the truth. We've been had a discussion that

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Speaker 1: the charges game was my last game. You try to

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Speaker 1: back to all the situation without answering any of my

448
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Speaker 1: camps calls. Shaking my head. You spoiled bra holding up

449
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Speaker 1: people for no reason. Clown emoji. It's a new regime here. Sir,

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Speaker 1: I think I thank you from the bottom of my

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Speaker 1: heart for all of the contributions you made here that said,

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Speaker 1: tweeting insults at me won't get you traded any faster.

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Speaker 1: Only good trade compensation will do that. Please redirect your

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Speaker 1: efforts into a more productive outlet. And you think it

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Speaker 1: would be over at some point, but it keeps going.

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Speaker 1: Just trade me, I don't need the speech, and then

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Speaker 1: a emoji of a finish line like a checker your flag,

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Speaker 1: and then con you know, hits him up again, show

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Speaker 1: me the compensation. I'm sure you're lead driving up the

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Speaker 1: price today btw. By the way, ouch, and that's and

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Speaker 1: that's kind of where things end. So this is grizzly.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is really the method that any

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Speaker 1: team executive should be um going down. But also you know,

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Speaker 1: I was a big George Steinbrunner fan, and if Steinbrenner

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Speaker 1: had Twitter, he would have been doing stuff like this

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Speaker 1: all the time. So I guess I can't get on

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Speaker 1: the high horse. Wes. What are your thoughts on it? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not very smart on Yannick and got wise part.

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Speaker 1: It's letting emotion do the work of reason. If you're

470
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Speaker 1: trying to do a trade. Don't sabotage your own value

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Speaker 1: in such a public way, just lighting fire to your

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Speaker 1: trade value and putting the Jaguars in a very poor spot.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just it's just not smart as far

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Speaker 1: as a means to an end. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: had hurt his value too much. I think there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of interest and team teams, and it didn't.

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Speaker 1: You know, it didn't hurt Jalen Ramsey and differently like

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Speaker 1: teams understand he wants to get out. Um. I was

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Speaker 1: more taken by the little sentence. And I've seen a

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Speaker 1: little bit of this in Jacksonville. It's a new regime, please,

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Speaker 1: I mean the same people who hired Tom Coughlin are

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Speaker 1: running the place. The same general manager you're there is

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Speaker 1: running the place. The same coach has been there since since, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Blake Bordles was on the team. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: quit with I killed Coffins about as much as anyone else,

486
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Speaker 1: but let's quit on like it's every it's everything is

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Speaker 1: Tom Coffin's fault. Come on, I can't call it a

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Speaker 1: new regime if it's not a new regime. I just

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Speaker 1: can't if the coach is there in the GMS there,

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Speaker 1: it's not a new regime. I can't think of a

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Speaker 1: team with more unhappy players that it just it just

492
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Speaker 1: seems to be a stockpile of discord and they one

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Speaker 1: of the weirder off seasons around. Also, I enjoyed it

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Speaker 1: in Gotway's accent really cranking up as it as it

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Speaker 1: went along. What accent would you say that is? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. It's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like maybe the significant other of like

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Speaker 1: like the Lakeisha's mom impression. Maybe I don't like a

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Speaker 1: Caribbean overtone, like a street heavy. I don't know. That's

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. I guess everybody hears it in their own way.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news, all right. As we promised,

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Speaker 1: this is somebody that we're so thrilled to talk to

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Speaker 1: because in a lot of ways, you could refer to

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Speaker 1: him as the dean of American Draft insiders. That's how

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Speaker 1: I see him. He's Bob McGinn. This is his thirty

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Speaker 1: sixth year working on his NFL Draft series. You could

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Speaker 1: read him right now at the Athletic, previously at the

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Speaker 1: Green Day Press Gazette, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. He had

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Speaker 1: his own website for a little bit. Now he's at

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Speaker 1: the Athletic Bob, welcome to the Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited to get educated by the dean. Let's

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Speaker 1: tell that guy thanks for having me. Uh, you know this.

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Speaker 1: We're all big fans because it's there's no way to

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Speaker 1: prepare for the jarre aft from our standpoint without reading

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Speaker 1: your work. And this year especially, I'm like taking note

516
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Speaker 1: of some of these quotes that you get, Bob. They're

517
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Speaker 1: so juicy, they're so salacious. Do you think you've been

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Speaker 1: around the game long enough and you obviously are highly

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Speaker 1: respected in this realm, both as a football writer in

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Speaker 1: general and a columnist and in this particular realm that

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00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: these scouts and these gms and these personnel guys want

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Speaker 1: to impress you like they want to give you the quote,

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Speaker 1: and they feel proud to give you one that shows

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Speaker 1: up in your copy. I don't know if it's that,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, these are long conversations with most guys,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, they go out of

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Speaker 1: their out of their way to spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: time with me and so there's all kinds of you know,

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Speaker 1: garbage in the middle of these conversations. But in these

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Speaker 1: capsules I write, um the stuff. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of material to choose from, and and it's I usually

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Speaker 1: try to get the quotes with some punch, you know,

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Speaker 1: and you and you do it every time. It makes

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Speaker 1: it such a fun read. So we're gonna kind spend

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Speaker 1: through some of the position groups and like and like

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Speaker 1: Bob said, he he breaks it down by position group.

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Speaker 1: And again, if you don't have a subscription, I think

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Speaker 1: the Athletic is it for free right now? I think

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Speaker 1: it might be. So make sure you're reading this. And

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Speaker 1: if that doesn't hook you, I don't know what will.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the quarterbacks. And it's fascinating and

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Speaker 1: all the people that you spoke to when you spoke

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Speaker 1: to uh, you know, many many, many plugged in people

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Speaker 1: in the industry. Joe Burrow is by far the best

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Speaker 1: prospect out there, and everyone expects him to go to

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati at one. Two is the guy that that jumps

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Speaker 1: out to everybody is the big wild card. And after

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Speaker 1: reading your piece on this, Bob, it is an absolute

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Speaker 1: mystery to me. Um, you spoke to um personnel guys

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Speaker 1: uh ten on the high end of scale of the

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Speaker 1: scale in terms of concern level one to ten uh

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Speaker 1: and the average of the panel was seven point six.

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Speaker 1: And here's one of those juicy quotes I tell I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. There is concerned, serious concern about the Dura bill.

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Speaker 1: He's at a high placed personnel man for an NFC team.

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Speaker 1: The ankle, the hip, the size, you name it. It's

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Speaker 1: hard because you can't get your hands on him. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This this does feel like one of the biggest wild

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Speaker 1: cards in recent memory at the quarterback position. Bob, I

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Speaker 1: agree totally. I mean, you know, not that long ago.

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Speaker 1: I mean still, I guess the narrative out there is

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Speaker 1: that he you know, he might be third in Detroit

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Speaker 1: or do somebody come in come into that spot. I

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Speaker 1: just don't know. I don't I didn't sense that at

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Speaker 1: all in these conversations. Um, you know he's got and

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Speaker 1: his NFL pass or rating for his career would come

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Speaker 1: compute to one thirty eight point one. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just remarkable. Is there's never seen any

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Speaker 1: that kind of efficiency unless Burrow this year NFL passer

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Speaker 1: eating one three point seven. But um, you know, he

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Speaker 1: played with fantastic receivers and you know, on and on

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Speaker 1: and on. But in terms of the durability, he takes

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Speaker 1: all these shots, he doesn't protect himself. I covered bread

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Speaker 1: fire for his entire career, and he would be recoiling

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Speaker 1: after he would throw it. I mean, he took a

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Speaker 1: lot of shots, but he just was never injured. He

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Speaker 1: knew how to take a hit. Aaron Rodgers is the

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Speaker 1: same way. I mean, he adopted a sliding posture after

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Speaker 1: about his third or fourth year, and you know, he's

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Speaker 1: escaped injury, but two has not done that. He's getting

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Speaker 1: drilled and people estimate his forty between four eight five

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Speaker 1: and four nine. He's six ft even. He's strongly built.

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Speaker 1: But boy, there's red flags all over on this durability

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Speaker 1: you had. You had three teams had off the board entirely. Yeah. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's easy for them to say, because you

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Speaker 1: know two of them had, you know, a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: they're not going to be dealing with. That's easy to say.

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Speaker 1: But still, yeah, I do wonder with him because I

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Speaker 1: think it's gotten lost. You know, he had surgeries on

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Speaker 1: both of his ankles, and he's a guy who's you

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Speaker 1: don't even hear any concerns about his height, which I

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Speaker 1: think shows how much quarterbacks change. I mean, he's he's

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Speaker 1: six foot tall. He's maybe not as athletics as some

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Speaker 1: of the highly drafted quarterbacks. How much how much of

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Speaker 1: this with him potentially slipping do you think is about

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Speaker 1: his game and his game style and that, like, he's

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Speaker 1: not a guy with a big arm who's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: you know, above average athletically, and he has these injuries.

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Speaker 1: So as someone who doesn't follow the college game, and

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Speaker 1: I and I know, the numbers are outrageous, and he's

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Speaker 1: known as a great leader and everything, and that's why

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Speaker 1: he will get drafted high. But that's not the profile

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Speaker 1: of many guys that we've heard getting drafted early. Injury prone,

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Speaker 1: you know, shorter and not necessarily like a difference maker athletically. No,

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Speaker 1: it isn't he um uh, fantastic release right and um.

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Speaker 1: But again, he had all these clear window throws, people

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Speaker 1: wide opening things like that, and he would droll a

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Speaker 1: ball in there. You know, we all saw it and

609
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: it was it was like a shooting gallery. Um. But again,

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Speaker 1: his pick came when there was pressure. Scouts don't feel

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Speaker 1: he really handled the pressure real well. Um, he's short.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to see over that certainly. Ah,

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Speaker 1: he's with a great system and great players all around him,

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Speaker 1: tremendous offensive line. Um, I just don't see it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in talking to all these people, it just doesn't ring.

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Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't ring like a top ten or

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Speaker 1: twelve guys guide even despite the durability issues. It just doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I started this about a month ago

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Speaker 1: or five weeks ago, I was expecting more. But boy,

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Speaker 1: in the inflection of these voices, it's not there. One

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Speaker 1: thing uh that I love about your capsules is uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the time of reading then it doesn't

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Speaker 1: take long. Uh. The top half, I fall totally in love,

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Speaker 1: um with quarterback acts based on the positive, glowing comments

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Speaker 1: from scouts. But then in the back half, I'm suddenly

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Speaker 1: terrified of the player. And I just wonder when you're

627
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Speaker 1: when you're doing these together and you've been doing it

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Speaker 1: for so long, you've got a guy like Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: and and and across the board, and you know, the

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Speaker 1: comments were exceedingly positive and kind of stuff we've never

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Speaker 1: seen before. Um about a player's ability to process. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that with some of the

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Speaker 1: other guys too, But do you have a pretty fair

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Speaker 1: level of suspicion about any type of quarterback at this

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Speaker 1: point having done it so long. I look at a

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Speaker 1: guy like Justin Herbert, who people are talking about someone

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Speaker 1: maybe trading up for. But there's the personality stuff. Every

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Speaker 1: one of these guys seem to have something um that

639
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: would be in the area of red flag. Are you

640
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: do you look at like Joe Burrow, for instance, is

641
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: someone that is truly different than prospects that have come

642
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: down the pike previously. Let me just mention this, you know,

643
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people accuse me of being

644
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: negative in my writing on the draft, but guys, if

645
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: you were inside those draft rooms, it's a lot more

646
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: brutal than the way I write it. I mean, this

647
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: is their livelihood, the future of these franchises, and they

648
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: are they're not worried about being politically correct. In these

649
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: draft rooms. They are ripping, they are praising, they are

650
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: going back and forth, debating, arguing with each other. It

651
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: gets intense, and so you know you're right the way

652
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: give you the good early and then but then there's

653
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: strength and then there's weaknesses. I'm just trying to be

654
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: realistic and honest and take people inside where these people,

655
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: you know, real people, the decision makers in the area,

656
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: skeletson whoever are talking. So back to Burrow. Um, I

657
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: don't see many negatives from anybody on Burrow. Yeah, you know,

658
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: it's sort of a one year wonder. But I mean

659
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: this was such a one year wonder. And he wasn't

660
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: that bad as a junior either. UM. I talked to

661
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people trying to compare them. Okay, is

662
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: he on the wreck on the level of oh, some

663
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: people bring up Andy Dalton. Some people, Um, I said, well,

664
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Speaker 1: is he as good as Stafford or Carson Wentz? They

665
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: kind of paused, some say yeah, some say no. But

666
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: then another guy, one of the last people I talked to,

667
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: he said, oh, and way above that stuff, way above

668
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: Stafford and Ryan. He said, he's in there with Peyton,

669
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: Manning and Rogers, anybody you want to name boy. Yeah,

670
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: So there is just um they love this guy as

671
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: a as a as a kid. We handle himself and

672
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: he throws it well enough, and he's got good size,

673
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: thirty high test score. Small hands though, small hands though,

674
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: come on, the biggest hands in recent memory was Mark

675
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: Sanchez for the record. So let's count down, think ten

676
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: and a half. Wow. Okay, Bob. One of the things

677
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: we get from from your articles is how much the

678
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: NFL changes from year to year, and we see quotes

679
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: about stationary players can't get drafted anymore. Um nose tackles.

680
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: There's a guy one of your quarterbacks, Jalen Hurts, who

681
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: from reading it, I sort of get a Taysom Hill

682
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: since the team see him as a football player and

683
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: a guy you in your building, but not necessarily as

684
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback. Is that sort of a do you

685
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: see him as a guy who's going to have a

686
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: tastom he'll like role? Yeah, that's interesting comparison. Hadn't thought

687
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: of that. That makes some sense though. Um I would

688
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: agree with that that he's kind of a backup maybe

689
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: gadget guy, special teams whatever. But he threw it so

690
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: well at the combine, you know, without pads on his

691
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: shoulders and against air and everything. But he looked like

692
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: a real passer that day. Uh he'll yeah, maybe he

693
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he hurt as a terrific runner,

694
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: and you know, you love the kid and the transfer

695
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: and the way handled all that. I like him, um

696
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: seems like about a third rounder and maybe he can

697
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: have a good career doing a lot of things. Bob,

698
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: you met, You mentioned Joe Burrow. You think, you know,

699
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: kind of checks all the boxes. Maybe you know, not

700
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: the biggest arm in the world, but he makes so

701
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: many plays, you know, off structure that you know, I

702
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: can imagine every team is going to be confident. And

703
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: but then you look at the rest of the LSU

704
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: team and I do under like a talk into the

705
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: scouts how much they are trying to account for how

706
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: ridiculously dominant that offense was. That it almost felt like

707
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: Joe Brady was there running of pro offense and they

708
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: were going up against a lower level of you know,

709
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: college coaches that guys and and I'm specifically talking about

710
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, like and maybe they're they're running back to

711
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: Edward Shailaire that he's so open all the time and

712
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 1: the productions just off the charts. But when you watch

713
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: Jefferson and some of the other LSU players, is there

714
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: like a concern that it's just the scheme like creating

715
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: these numbers and Jefferson especially compared to all those other

716
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: receivers out there, you know, isn't maybe as special or

717
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: unique just as an individual talent. To a degree there is.

718
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: But then guys, when I start talking about Chase and

719
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: Jefferson and that Marshall guy and the running back, then

720
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: they say, yeah, but Bob, look at that offensive line.

721
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Speaker 1: He said, yeah, the center's okay, but you know, and

722
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: the left tackle was an athlete who got suspended, he said.

723
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: The other three guys, there wasn't all that much there,

724
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: he said, That's why he had to scramble and move.

725
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: He said, you know, he looked like Brady kind of

726
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: negotiating the pocket, climbing up. So I you know, yeah,

727
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: supporting cast was I mean great on the at the

728
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: skill positions, but not real great upfront in the wide

729
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: receiver group. Bob, there's a quote you have near the

730
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Speaker 1: top of your capsule. This is maybe the deepest wide

731
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Speaker 1: receiver group, said a longtime a f C personnel man.

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Speaker 1: H But as far as like a Julio as in

733
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson, absolutely not. I've seen it

734
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Speaker 1: in some places. And just so you know, Bob, I'm

735
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: sure he plugged in on on me and my career

736
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: in this podcast. I'm a big Jets fan, and so

737
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: with with the Jets sitting at eleven, um Ceedee Lamb

738
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: is a guy that our our friend, some people's friend,

739
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah has going to them. But when you keep

740
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Speaker 1: in the mind of quote like that and the idea

741
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: that this is such a deep wide receiver class, do

742
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: you buy into the theory out there that it would

743
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: be a mistake to be taking a wide receiver in

744
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: that ten to twelve to thirteen range when you could

745
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: get another need, a higher end player perhaps, and then

746
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: get still a quality wide receiver later in the draft

747
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: in the second or third round. Because we're talking serious

748
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: depth this year. Yes, I do, I do. You know, um,

749
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of balance, and you can you're gonna

750
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: get them from at eight nineties something like that. They're

751
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: gonna be really good players. But still, guys, don't you

752
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: think somebody from this these top ten or eleven people

753
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: are going to be very close to Julio Jones or

754
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. I just kind of do. Somebody's going to

755
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: emerge here, and I don't know who it is, but

756
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: there's enough talent on this board to think there's gonna

757
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: be one real shining light. And all these teams are

758
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: thinking that too. So if they pass and they go

759
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: take tackles, who are you know, okay serviceable and all that.

760
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: But if they passed the guy they totally believe in,

761
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: we know the game is, it's scoring now and it's

762
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: perimeter based game. Past that guy, you might regret it. Yeah,

763
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean that you could see why if you're a

764
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: guy like John Gruden or something that the some of

765
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: these white outs are just too tantalizing to move on.

766
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: But there are UM in that cluster of the Jets

767
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: and Browns and other clubs with real legitimate UM offensive

768
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: line tackle needs. And I can't remember a draft where

769
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Speaker 1: there were so many UM top ten first, you know,

770
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: fifteen pick projections of tackles that are just clustered together.

771
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Speaker 1: And coming out of this project, did you view one

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Speaker 1: of the tackles as clearly better than the others or

773
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Speaker 1: did anyone particularly scare you? Because for me, for us

774
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Speaker 1: jumping in, it just seem like a big stack of

775
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: guys and like, who's what's the differentiator here? Man? They

776
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: were those top four. In my I've never had such

777
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: a close pole on the top four we're just almost

778
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Speaker 1: on top of each other. Seventy one and seventy one point. Um,

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00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Ezra Cleveland has a chance to

780
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: get in the first round. He's really a good pass blocker.

781
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: He's been compared by once got to David Bachtiar and

782
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: Brian Blaga, the team I covered for years. So um

783
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: and Austin Jackson. I mean, he donates his bone marrow

784
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: to his sister, and you know he pays the price

785
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: his final year at USC. But he's a lot better

786
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: than he showed. Um, we know about the other ones, uh,

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00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean there are other guys. I can't say who's

788
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: going to come out of it. I certainly like Robert

789
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: Hunt a lot too from Louisiana, whether it's a guard

790
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: or a tackle. Um, it's a good group. But beyond

791
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: your draft series, we read your Packers game recaps as well,

792
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: and they're very good. I think out of all the

793
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: guys I've read over the years, you come the closest

794
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Speaker 1: to a style. It's like dr Z Paul Paul's Immerman.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that you did on purpose? Was he

796
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Speaker 1: a role model or is that just a coincidence? I mean,

797
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Speaker 1: I that's how I basically how I learned to write.

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Speaker 1: I've been a subscriber to Sports Holds Story since I

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Speaker 1: was about eight, and I've read, you know, every issue.

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00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: I saved those issues for forty years. When I eventually moved,

801
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: I had to get rid of them all. But and

802
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: that's where I mean. The writing was so beautiful and

803
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Speaker 1: the editing was phenomenal. That, um, that's where I think

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00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: all of us learned to write. Really. UM. I certainly

805
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: admired Paul. I knew him a little bit, not a lot. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'll mention another guy who influenced me to Jerry Green

807
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: of the Detroit News. He would write for Street and

808
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: Smith's every year, the NFC Central Preview and and I

809
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: was grew up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. And I've told

810
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: Jerry this. He had an entirely different style that was

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Speaker 1: way way early for his time. And he was a

812
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: lot like Paul's Immerman um. And he was analytic when

813
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: nobody else was. And so I love Jerry's covered every

814
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and he influenced me quite a bit. Yeah,

815
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Speaker 1: for our listeners, who haven't you know heard me, you know,

816
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: honk about dr Z In the last couple of years,

817
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: it's been that long. Like The Thinking Man's Guy at

818
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: to Football to me, is still the best book on football,

819
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: at least if you're like a young writer. You're getting

820
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: into the business on how to think about football even

821
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Speaker 1: if you don't write. And and it's a it's hard

822
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Speaker 1: to imagine, uh, this the type of book coming out,

823
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: and Mark is showing the video to me of a

824
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Speaker 1: nice looking first addition, it's hard to imagine someone getting

825
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Speaker 1: the access that he had, but just even the way

826
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: to think about the game, there's nothing better. While we're

827
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Speaker 1: on the topic though, of these game recap spot. Before

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Speaker 1: we let you go, I got to ask you about

829
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers because, um, you're you're tough on him. Sometimes

830
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: I feel I don't know what your relationship. How is

831
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: your relationship with Aaron Rodgers right now? Good starting point? Well,

832
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in a couple of years, so

833
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Um, I'm I'm just curious, um, where

834
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: you see him right now? Because it's obviously when you

835
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: get a reputation like you know, if someone like Rogers

836
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: and you have the high end play, you mostly just

837
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: hear all positive positivity, especially from a national level. But

838
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: there's a certain school of thinking, and you've been writing

839
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: about it certainly that he has not been the same

840
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: player the last three or four years. I guess I

841
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: just be curious before you go, uh like, where you

842
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: see he is now um compared to where he was

843
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: earlier in his career. You know, some people think he

844
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: slipped physically. I don't one bit. He's a you know,

845
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: workout maniac in the off season. He takes care of

846
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: tremendous care of his body. I do not think he

847
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: slipped physically. I think his arm is fine. I don't

848
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: see any problems with any of that. But you just

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Speaker 1: gotta do it, you know. And um, I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: got a good enough supporting cast. He's got one one

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00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: fantastic receiver, and you know he said he's got a

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Speaker 1: great running back. I mean, yeah, the other white oults

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00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: and tight ends weren't very good due year, but the

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Speaker 1: old line was real solid. So, you know, supporting cast

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00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: come and go, and he has to make people better.

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00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: He can take them to the Super Bowl any year.

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00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: He hasn't been there in about a decade. I mean,

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00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: it's time, really, And he's certainly one of the ten

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00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: best qbs in the league without you know, any doubt,

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00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of good qbs in this league,

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Speaker 1: and he had his team in the NFC title game

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00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: last year. He just has to do it. Let me

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Speaker 1: connect some dots there, Bob. So you say physically he's

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Speaker 1: the same exact guy his supporting cast. It's a little

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Speaker 1: bit overstated, um that he's in some type of disadvantage

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Speaker 1: position because he does have some big time players. Is

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Speaker 1: it Is it coaching that's kept his his production more

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Speaker 1: pedestrian recent years? Is it the mental side of things?

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00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: Is that off the field? Is there anything else that

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00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: you can add on kind of your feeling on where

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00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: Rogers has been the last couple of years compared to

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Speaker 1: that peak in the beginning of last decade, And so

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Speaker 1: it certainly hasn't been coaching. I mean, Mike McCarthy, if

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Speaker 1: he told me this once, he told told it to

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Speaker 1: me twenty times. His goal was to make the quarterback

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00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: look great. That was his entire goal as a coach,

877
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Speaker 1: number one objective, and he built everything around Rodgers and

878
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: Floor has done the same thing. The system is made

879
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: order for Aaron Rodgers, and he is a good player,

880
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: and he just has to get back to a great level. Um. Uh.

881
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: He knows his mind and his ability to process everything

882
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: is you know, beyond incredible. Really um. He can throw accurately,

883
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: he can still scramble at age thirty six. Um. But

884
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: for some reason he just hasn't really done it here,

885
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: played really well, a little bit little stretches, but for

886
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: the last five or six years it's not been consistently elite. Alright,

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00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: good answer, Thank you so much for your your time, Bob.

888
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: And again, the dean of a Erican Draft Insiders, that's

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00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: what I call him, Bob McGinn, and you could read

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00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: him at the Athletic. The Athletic is a subscription service,

891
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: but not right now during this COVID nineteen madness. And

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00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: speaking of that, Bob, I hope all is well with

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00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: you and your family and you stay well, and we

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00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: hope to hear from you again soon. We'll be reading

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00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: you in the meantime. Thanks very much, guys, take care. Thanks.

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00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: Oh that was great, Bob McGinn, nice guy. Ye uh

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00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: he go. He to me falls into the category of

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00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, and this is a this is a narrowing group,

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00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: gentleman scribe. He just seemed like um an incredibly uh

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00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: warm uh gentle individual who is sitting on way more

901
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: football information um than most men in America. Ahead, I

902
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: was gonna say, he wrote a great book too, is

903
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: like a super Bowl book, um, where he talked to

904
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: players played in each Super Bowl. I recommend that he

905
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: He kind of speaks quietly, but you know, carry's a

906
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: big stick you underneath all of that, Like he's gonna

907
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: let you know what he thinks. And we got some

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00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: interviews with him. He's an opinionated guy, like, way more

909
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: opinionated than he showed before. He was very nice and

910
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: genial though, And we got this question all the time

911
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: on Twitter and d m s and things of that nature.

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00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: How do I get into the business, How do I

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00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: um get involved? What do I have to do to

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00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: put myself in position to be find success? Well, doing

915
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: things like reading Bob mcgins columns, finding the people that

916
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: are the best at what they do in terms of

917
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: how they followed the sport, and just reading guys like him.

918
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: There's there's a tip for you. So check it out.

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Speaker 1: All right, big week, Like we said, Monday show in

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00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: the books, Tomorrow Tuesday, the Twitter Show Live and also

921
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: the Mark Sessler mock Draft. Mark you ready for that?

922
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: I am. You know, this thing is changing by the minute.

923
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to describe it. On the

924
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: fact that I thought I would spend just a little

925
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: bit of time on it. It is an all consuming

926
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: um project that a long way to go. Get ready,

927
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: fluid fluid Uh, that's coming up Tuesday Wednesday. We're gonna

928
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Speaker 1: do some sandwich props connected to the draft also, and

929
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Speaker 1: it's been two years uh in the making. Spice Rack

930
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: returns with his predictions on the guys who will hit

931
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Speaker 1: in a big way, kind of five guys that Spicy

932
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Speaker 1: believes in. Okay, we've had Jonathan Williams in the past,

933
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: good luck we've had We've had, you know some Spicy

934
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: has had some issues in the past. In the segment,

935
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: sometimes he's he's shined and then sometimes he's cratered. So

936
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: it's that's one of the things that are exciting about

937
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: this spice Rack in Parts Unknown like the Ultimate Warrior,

938
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: sharing his draft hot takes. Remember the year he just

939
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't give us. He came on and then he decided, no,

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00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give you by Sleepers A volatile individual.

941
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: I still don't know it was because he was unprepared

942
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: or he was making some type of statement like or

943
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: it was like a punk rock type move. I'll never know,

944
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: you say he could He's gonna give us five names.

945
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: It could be eight names, and it could be one

946
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: or none. You'll get what you get about so spicy.

947
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Speaker 1: Coming back to the Around the NFL podcast on Wednesday, Thursday,

948
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Speaker 1: the Draft, of course, we will be recording immediately upon

949
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: the completion of the first round with a show going

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Speaker 1: up that night, and then we'll have another show. That

951
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: show will stand for Friday, and then we'll have another

952
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: show wrapping up the whole draft that we will record

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Speaker 1: on Saturday night and get up as soon as possible.

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00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: So that's our draft. We're coming up. It's time. Dan

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00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: Hanson signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Old Boss,

956
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Rick Hollywood, Thank you, Bob mc again of the Athletics

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Speaker 1: until Tuesday. S