1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. If you got stuck watching a backup quarterback yesterday, 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: you warn't alone, and you certainly weren't warned, or can't 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: say you weren't warned, because we know that quarterbacks go 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: down all the time, and then you add in this 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: extra regular season game and that means more backup quarterbacks. 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley come on Down, did an admirable job filling 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: in for Lamar Jackson. Ravens still lost to the Browns. 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: Kyle Allen in Washington almost let it come back, came 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: up short against Dallas. The Giants Mike Glenn and the 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Panthers Cam Newton, the Texans Davis Mills all lose. Can't 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: wait till Week eighteen on January ninth, once teams are 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: out of the playoff picture, going to be even quicker 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: to pull the starter. And all of this is a 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: not so subtle reminder of why teams might want to 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: invest in a quality backup quarterback. It's hard enough to 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: win with your starter, hard enough to keep him healthy. 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Putting in the backup quarterback is it challenge very few 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: teams are able to overcome. When you start to look 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: at some of the surprises yesterday, or were they surprises yesterday? 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Don't look now. But the Chiefs actually have a formidable defense, 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Dallas a formidable defense, Packers look great, Jacksonville a mess, 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: the Ravens in trouble, Buccaneers still good. And then if 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: you believe in moral victories, you got one. If you're 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: a Buffalo Bills fan. Now, when you start to think 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: of moral victories, moral victories is usually when your team 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: is not very good, when you're supposed to be a 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: super Bowl contender, that's not a moral victory. Oh, they 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: came back, they showed guts, they played hard. Yeah, they're 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be really good. You know, the Lions get 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: moral victories or Jacksonville gets a moral victory, Buffalo doesn't 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: get a moral victory. That doesn't get you into the playoffs. 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: But watching yesterday, Tampa Bay looked awesome in the first half. 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: Buffalo did come back, certainly made it interesting going into overtime, 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: and then Tom Brady with the game winning touchdown and 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: he had this to say, Yeah, I was trying to think, 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: have has that ever happened before? That's right, that was 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: in Miami too, So yeah, that was a it was. 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: It was pretty but it was very cool. It was 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: very cool. I much rather not have it come down 41 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: to that. But in the end, they all count the same, 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, and we got to learn from it and 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: we got to move on and obviously we're playing for, 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, a division championship next week, which is pretty 45 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: exciting for all of us. Yeah, game winning touchdown pass 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: is a second overtime touchdown pass. Here's Josh Allen, the 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: Bills quarterback. Every game is a different situation. Sometimes you 48 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: practice one thing and they can they show something completely different. 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's something obviously we want to work on. 50 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: We want to be be ready to go right off 51 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: the right off the rip and have fast starts. Again. Yeah, 52 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: it just wasn't our favorite night, Buffalo seven and six. 53 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: You know, when you start to think about, okay, are 54 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: they a super Bowl team? I didn't think so to 55 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: start the year because I thought they were too self 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: reliant on Josh Allen. The defense is a defense that 57 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: is fast but can be manhandled, and they've been overpowered 58 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: by teams the last couple of weeks. We've seen that 59 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: New England did it, Tampa did that, Titans, and they've 60 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: lost to the quality teams. Here. Here's their head coach, 61 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. Look, I know we came up short, right, 62 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: credible amount of heart and guts that they show this team, 63 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: Josh included, right, but all of them. Again, we came 64 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: up short and they made one more play than we did. 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: But I love how the team fought. Yeah, they're supposed 66 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: to fight. You get paid to fight. You're a playoff team, 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: or are you? Five teams in the AFC are seven 68 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: and six. Five teams in the NFC are six and seven. 69 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Twenty four of the thirty two teams in the NFL 70 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: have at least six wins and they're still in the 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: playoff race. This is parody. This is what the NFL 72 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: loves because every fan base still has hope. McLevin, what 73 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: do you have? Okay, let's start in the NFC. Who 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: do you got the Bucks or the field? Well, I'm 75 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: begging the Packers. Well okay, no, it's more for the audience. 76 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: You think that they would take the Bucks to the field. Now, 77 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: after yesterday's game, you know it still comes down to 78 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: you don't bet against Belichick and you don't bet against Breedy. Yeah, 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: so I would say the audience. Woll No, they may. 80 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: They may look at this and go green Bay and 81 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: Dallas look like they're actually legitimate. I don't know if 82 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: Arizona is. You've got a big game coming up tonight 83 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: with the Rams at the Cardinals. But it just feels 84 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: like this is about home field advantage because you didn't 85 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: have the crowds last year. You didn't have a true 86 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: home field advantage. Now green Bay lost to Tampa in 87 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: green Bay it was unseasonably warm and you had no ambiance. 88 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: There is it different this year? I believe so. But 89 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: that one team in the NFC, one team in the 90 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: NFC getting home field advantag it is going to be imperative. 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 1: You start to handicap. You know what's going to happen 92 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: the rest of the year. You're looking at green Bay, 93 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: they're at Baltimore. You don't know if you're gonna face 94 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. You host Cleveland, you host Minnesota, then you're 95 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: at Detroit. Here's the only thing I would be concerned 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: about if I'm a Packer fan. At what point do 97 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: you rest Aaron Rodgers to getting ready for the playoffs 98 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: because of that toe situation. Now you bring in Jordan 99 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: Love when do you bring in Jordan Love Because if 100 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: you're Aaron Rodgers, we don't know if this is his 101 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: last year in Green Bank, but this might be his 102 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: best chance to win a Super Bowl. Now, what do 103 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: you do? How important is home field for you? And 104 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: is that enough to jeopardize Aaron Rodger in that toe 105 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: at Baltimore host Cleveland host Minnesota. Maybe there's a chance 106 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: that you'll have things wrapped up that the game at 107 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: Detroit Jordan could play. But that would be something I'd 108 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Is am I am I going 109 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: to play Aaron Rodgers? As Rogers said prior to last 110 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: night's game, Hey, if I get hurt or it gets 111 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: banged up more, then surgery is in play. And I 112 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: think that's where you're going to run the risk here 113 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: of what the Packers do these last four games. Yeah, mclub. 114 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: I noticed last night they are a different running team 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: now with AJ Dillon and Aaron Jones. You know that 116 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: wasn't really there against the Bucks last year. Was no. No. 117 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: And when you see that, when you take away a 118 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: team's heart, you know, when you run the ball, they 119 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: know you're going to run the ball, and it just 120 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: it's debilitating. It it's defeating in more ways than one. 121 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: And when you have that ability to be able to 122 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: do that, that's why when we have all these crazy 123 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: passing numbers, these teams that can run the football and 124 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: let you know they're going to run the football. You know, 125 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette running the football. I mean, that's a valuable 126 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: weapon for Tom Brady to have. And Derrick Henry's probably 127 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: going to be back for the postseason with the Titans. 128 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: You know, that's just really important for these teams having 129 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: a balanced offense and Green Bay, they're far more dangerous 130 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: when you have those running backs running well. And it 131 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: just makes Aaron Rodgers that much greater. And he looked, 132 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, he was Aaron Rodgers last night. It always 133 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: helps playing the Bears. Hey, it does. Like I had 134 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: a weird feeling to start that game that I thought, 135 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, the Bears may win this game, and then 136 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: they jump out and I go all right, and then 137 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was like, okay, all right. 138 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers still owns the Chicago Bears. Yes, as a 139 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: Bears fan, the only thing worse than being down to 140 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: the Packers at halftime is being up on the Packers 141 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: at halftime because it's false hope going to the second half. 142 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: I should have gone to bed at halftime and just 143 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: pretended the second half didn't happen. Yeah, yeah, Now you know. 144 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: It'd be great if Aaron Rodgers would show up at 145 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: the NFL owners meetings representing the Chicago Bears, Like if 146 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: he just went in there, go what are you doing here? Um? 147 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: I own the Bears? Oh well no, no, no, the 148 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: mc caskeys owned the Bears. No, no, no, I am 149 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: a co owner of the Chicago Bears. Yes, mcclub it's 150 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: a pretty high tax rate in Illinois. I don't know. 151 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if he has to pay you out 152 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: for it. But PAULI has a typical, very cynical dark 153 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: pole question on the Packers. I will let him share. Now, 154 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: I do have the Super Bowl updated odds here, Buccaneers 155 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: are the favorites, then the Packers, the Cardinals. No, this 156 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: can't be right, No, it's go it's a Chiefs their 157 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: second plus five fifty, then the Packers a plus six 158 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: fifty bucks. Chiefs, Packers, why don't they go in order 159 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: that way instead of a cross and then a cross? 160 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: What are you doing Vegas? So Buccaneers, then the Chiefs, 161 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: then the Packers, then the Patriots, Cardinals, Rams, Bills, Cowboys. 162 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: After that you got Titans in the Charge, Colts and 163 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: the Ravens. All right, So Buccaneers, Chiefs, then Packers, Patriots, 164 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: all right, Patriots. Yeah, I don't know if I would 165 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: have the Patriots up that high, but it just feels like, 166 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, this is about the NFC. If you got 167 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, the Packers, you have the Rams, you have 168 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, you have the Cowboys. So there are a 169 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: lot of good teams in the NFC and the AMC 170 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: not as much. Got the Chiefs and you got the Patriots. 171 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: You can throw in Buffalo, but I just I don't 172 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: have any confidence in Buffalo the Chargers. I don't have confidence. 173 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: That's a big win though, to go and beat Cincinnati. 174 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: That was. That was And justin Herbert he had to 175 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: throw yesterday that for those of you never saw John 176 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: Elway playing, he had a throw that would be John 177 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: Elway esque. He had to throw yesterday against the Bengals. 178 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: That I'm gonna say. Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes are 179 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: the only two quarterbacks the other quarterbacks in the NFL 180 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: who could make that throw. It was spectacular. And Justin 181 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: Herbert is putting up these crazy numbers. And you know, 182 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: he's thrown for thirty touchdowns now in his first two seasons. 183 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: That's never happened with a quarterback. And he's, you know, 184 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: twenty three years of age. Three touchdowns yesterday. He's the 185 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: second youngest player in NFL history to reach sixty career 186 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: touchdown passes. The only person who was better younger was 187 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Dan Marino and thirty touchdown passes on the season. First 188 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: player in history to go back to back with that honor. Yeah, 189 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: Dat of the day, that beast stat of the day, 190 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: stad of the day, he comes that. What stat of 191 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: the day? Defensive player the year? The odds are out, 192 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett is the favorite along with t J. Watt 193 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: co favorites. Then it's Micah Park Parsons and Trayvon Diggs. 194 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: Matthew Judon is in there, Aaron Donald is in there, man, 195 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: I would Michael Parsons is putting up some crazy numbers. 196 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: You know, Trayvon Diggs was wonderful. You know when you 197 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: get ten interceptions, but then they don't throw your way 198 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: like that's what you do to a defensive back. You're like, uh, 199 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna reath this you. We're not throwing your direction. 200 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: T J. Watt, Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons. They can move 201 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: wherever they want to. You got to find them sometimes. 202 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: But Michael Parsons I have you know, PAULI went back 203 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: and looked at the draft profile, you know, all the 204 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: reports on Micah Parsons, and a lot of people thought that, well, 205 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: Dallas doesn't need a linebacker. Dallas wanted a draft a 206 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: defensive back, and I thought it might have been, uh, 207 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: Patrick Curtan or J. C. Horne, those were the two. 208 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: I think they were going to draft one of those two. 209 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Curtan. I was old, if he's there, then Dallas 210 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: has taken him, and if not, then Dallas was going 211 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: to take Michael Parsons. And I was told, Michael Parsons 212 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: is the best defensive athlete in the draft. And you know, 213 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: keep in mind that you know at that pick he's 214 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: a top five pick, but there were concerns about him 215 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: off the field, character issues. But as far as athleticism. 216 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: This is this is where you make mistakes when you 217 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: you profile somebody and you say, all right, he's a linebacker. 218 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: He is. Junior, say how he is? Troy Palamalu. You 219 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: could even say Clay Matthews. You just put him on 220 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: the field. They make plays. We get caught up in this, Well, 221 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: he's a he's a linebacker. No he's not. He's a 222 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: football player. Brian Urlocker, It's just a football player. But 223 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: you know when you're gonna say no defining, you're defining 224 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: who he is. That's where you make the mistake, especially 225 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: with defensive players. Now you just put him on the field. 226 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: They make plays. Troy Palomalo, what was he? He's a 227 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: football player? Junior? Sayale, he's just a football player? Oh no? 228 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: Is he a linebacker? Is? No? He's whatever you want 229 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: him to be. And that's what Michael Parsons is. Just 230 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: put him on the field. He makes plays. All Right, 231 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: we'll take a break. Phone calls coming up, and Carson 232 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: Palmer will join us as he always does. We'll have 233 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: more on what's going on with the Jacksonville Jaguars and 234 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. Does he want to stay? Is he going 235 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: to get the opportunity to stay? We'll talk about that. Also. 236 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: Is Ryan Day going to stay the head coach at 237 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: the Ohio State? Thank you? Palm let a breath a 238 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: little bit. Yes, thank you, thank you. 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Before we get to 246 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, Monday Morning Quarterback, here's Urban 247 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: Meyer yesterday talking about the possible leaks inside the organization. 248 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: What's the answer, start leaking information or some nonsense. No, 249 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: that's nonsense, that's garbage, that's you know, that's once again, 250 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: I've been very blessed. I'm not really dealt with that. 251 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm not dealt with well, did you hear what he said? What? No, 252 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: Let's improve on offense and get our quarterback in a 253 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: position to be successful. That's our focus. What someone's brother 254 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: said or someone said, someone said that will occupy very 255 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: little my time. And if if there is a source, 256 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: that source is unemployed, I mean within seconds, if there's 257 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: some source that's doing it, let's bringing Albert Brier on 258 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: this topic. Albert, how does this end? I don't know. 259 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it's interesting because, like 260 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: I think the difference between what he had in college 261 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: and what he has now is he can control the 262 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: situation in college where if things were uncomfortable for assistant coaches, 263 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: and they were often uncomfortable for assistant coaches under Urban 264 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: at that level, he didn't have to worry about things 265 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: like this where you know, I think the assistant coaches 266 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: people in the building have relationships with the media, and 267 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: if they feel like things aren't working and it's uncomfortable 268 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: for them, they're willing to voice their issues. And this 269 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: is one thing that's pretty common. And guys who coached 270 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: for him at Florida, guys who coached for him at 271 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: Ohio State. I tell you he never wants to blame 272 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: a player. He always blames the coaches. And he will 273 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: hold meetings where he'll ask coaches to what have you 274 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: done for me lately? What have you done for our 275 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: team lately? He'll go out to practice and he'll look 276 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: at your drill and say, why are you doing that? 277 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: And your answer can't because we've always done it, and 278 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: so you know, I can tell you. I mean, like, 279 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, I've got relationships at Ohio State, and you 280 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: know when he left there and Ryan Day took over, 281 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, cloudliftered off the building to some degree because 282 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: it had been such a tense environment. And part of 283 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: the issue Dan here is that I think Urban associates 284 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: a lot of his success with that being able to 285 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: create that tension. It's the same sort of tension you 286 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: see Nick Saban create. It's the same sort of tension 287 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: you see Bill Belichick create. It's just that in twenty 288 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: twenty one, when you're starting a new program and you 289 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: don't have the trophy case to back it up, and 290 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: like NFL players don't care about how many national championships 291 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: you've won. You go to New England, they do care 292 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: about the Lombardies, right like, but they don't care how 293 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: many national championships he might have wanted in college. And 294 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to start a program that's unlike 295 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: what most guys come up playing in or coaching in 296 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: now and you ruffle some feathers you there's no guarantee 297 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: that's staying inside the building. I know that we want 298 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: to make this comparison with Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys, 299 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: and you know, Jimmy didn't win, but you know, two 300 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: years later they're in the playoffs. Three years after that, 301 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: then you know they're in this super Bowl, winning a 302 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: super Bowl. Troy Aikman starting out not you know, eight 303 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: touchdowns and what eighteen or sixteen interception? Can you make 304 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: any comparison between having the patience that the Cowboys had 305 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: with Jimmy Johnson and Troy and Jacksonville having patients with 306 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and Urban Meyer. I think it's a different 307 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: It's just a different age, you know. And I think 308 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: part of the issue that Urban is going to confront 309 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: now is no matter whether this stuff is downplayed, exaggerated, real, 310 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: not real, it's it's going to be real for him 311 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: now because he's going to have to answer questions about it. 312 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: People in the building, you know, who have issues with 313 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: him now essentially have license to go and say something 314 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: about it, because it does feel like things have gotten 315 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: sideways there, and so the question becomes, how do you 316 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: get out of it? I think one of two things happens. 317 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: Either one he decides to walk away or the team 318 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: decides to get rid of him after this year, which 319 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: you can't rule it out now based on you know 320 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: where they are, but how expensive? Would that be very expensive? 321 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: And that's me that that's why you wonder, like would 322 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: the would would would shod Khan try to get him 323 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: to quit? So that's one right or I don't see 324 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: any other way that you would do it. Um, if 325 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: you were going to keep him, then bring back an 326 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: overhauled staff. And you know, I know that I can 327 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: just tell you having talked to people who are close 328 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: to Urban I think there I think they feel like 329 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: there are some weaklinths on that staff, and that they 330 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: the way that they build their program is sort of 331 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: built to weed people out. And I don't know if 332 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: maybe some of this is coming from the fact that 333 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: maybe there were some people who saw the writing on 334 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: the wall here and that knew that, you know, in 335 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: five or six weeks they were going to be gone anyway. Um, 336 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: you know. But you know, the sense that I have 337 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: gotten is that, you know, with some of the hires 338 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: that are been made, some of the NFL hires that 339 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: have been made, you know, not the guys like charl 340 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: Strong or Chris dash that he brought from college. You know, 341 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: I think that he felt like there were some week 342 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: lengths on the staff. So it'll be interesting to see 343 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: whether or not Shad Khan decides to double down on 344 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: Urban and say we can fix this amid everything that's 345 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: going on right now, which will require hiring new staff 346 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: and paying out guys who you're firing, you know, walking 347 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: out the door. Or do you decide that it's time 348 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: to hit the reset button because you're a too critical 349 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: point of Trevor Lawrence's development. And yeah, I mean, it'll 350 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens, because I do think 351 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence remains sort of the key piece here. It's 352 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: so important that they put him in the right position 353 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: over the next couple of years. I want to be 354 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: fair in talking about this next story. I don't know 355 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: if it's a report or a rumor, but Ryan Day 356 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: to the Chicago Bears. Yeah, and his agent is Trace Armstrong, 357 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: who played for the Bears. So is there anything to 358 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: this in your opinion? You know, the rumors about Ryan 359 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: Day and the Bears have been floating around for a while. 360 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't think Ryan Day goes yet. I think Ryan 361 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: Day is eventually going to be back in the NFL. 362 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: I think Eventually he's because of the rate at which 363 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: he's developed quarterbacks, because he runs a pro style system, 364 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: because he's coached in the NFL. I think eventually Ryan 365 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: Day winds up back in the NFL. Do I think 366 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: it's now? No? Do I think the idea that justin 367 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: fields intrigues him as part of this? Yeah? I think 368 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: that's certainly something that's there for him because he knows, 369 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, this isn't him projecting what it'd be like 370 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: to coach just the fields. He knows. I I just 371 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: don't know at the time is right for him right now. 372 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: I would have told you before the year zero percent. 373 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a little more than zero percent now. 374 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: But my guess is he stays in Columbus and he's 375 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: there for a few more years, but eventually winds up 376 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And what's interesting about Ryan Day is 377 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: when urban Meyer decided to go to Jacksonville, I had 378 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: to source say Ryan Day would be a better hire 379 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: for Jacksonville because he would develop Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, quicker, 380 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: and he knows the pro game better than urban Meyer does. Yeah. 381 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I mean, he well, for one thing, 382 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: he's not like like I said that thing about like 383 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: lifting the cloud off the building in Columbus, right, like 384 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: when it went from Urban to Ryan. And again, like 385 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: Urban had a lot of success doing things that way. 386 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to make it sound like it 387 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: was the worst thing in the world, but the very 388 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: very tense environment and it's a different environment there now 389 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: under Ryan. So I think a lot of people would 390 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: look at that and say, Ryan, the way Ryan Days 391 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: built a program is a lot more compatible to the 392 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: athlete today, to the guys who are coming into professional football. 393 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: So that's number one and the number two, Like you said, 394 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm Ryan's a scheme coach. Ryan's a developer of players. 395 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: That's not really what Urban is anymore. Like when Urban 396 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: was at Utah, he was a scheme coach, he was 397 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: a receiver's coach. He developed guys. You know, I think 398 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: towards the end at Florida and then certainly at Ohio State, 399 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: he'd sort of gotten away from that and had become 400 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: more of a culture should become more of a CEO. 401 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: And so you know, I think if you're hiring Ryan 402 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: Day out of Ohio State, despite the fact that like 403 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: those two are close and there's a great respect between 404 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: the two of them and everything else, they're vastly different. 405 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: Like Ryan is going to i think, build more of 406 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: a twenty first century compatible program that players are going 407 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: to identify with more. And then he's also going to 408 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: bring the scheme and development part of it, which I mean, 409 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: quite honestly, I think over the last few years Urban 410 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: had sub contracted a little bit. Now he's still involved 411 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: in offense, he leaves defense alone for the most part. 412 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: He's still involved in offense, and he still sort of 413 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: views himself as as an offensive coach. But I think, 414 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, like Urban is way more of a kind 415 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: of walk around head coach now than he was twenty 416 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: years ago, whereas Ryan is still going to be the 417 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: guy that's going to get in the weeds, coach the 418 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and call the offense. He's Albert Brewer's senior NFL 419 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: reporter and lead content strategist for the Monday Morning Quarterback 420 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: more concerned about the Bills or the Ravens moving forward 421 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: this year, like just in the microcosm of the next 422 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 1: two months, Yea, Ravens and I have so much respect 423 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: for what John Harbor and that staff have done to 424 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: keep that thing together. But the Ravens, Like the Ravens 425 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: have lost a bunch of guys who aren't coming back, 426 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, like JK. Dobbins, Gus Edwards, Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, 427 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: Marcus Peters, LJ for Like, those guys are not coming back. 428 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: And so I think they've done a fantastic job of 429 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: duck taping that thing together. And you see the way 430 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: the team responds to Harbor and the staff that includes 431 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: guys like Greg Roman and Wink Martindale down the line. 432 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it just feels like they're sort of going 433 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: on fumes right now based on what they've lost injury wise. 434 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: I actually think I think the Bills found something in 435 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: the second half of that game. And look, there are 436 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: no moral victories for a team that's been in the 437 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: playoffs three times in the last four years, but I 438 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: think they were sort of a team without an identity 439 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: against New England, and you still saw fight and I 440 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: think the first half of that game that really kind 441 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 1: of manifested the way that that got away from them. 442 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: They had nothing to really leaned back on, and then 443 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: in the second half, I just they ran the ball 444 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more. I think Josh Allen played more 445 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: under control, the defense found itself a little bit, and 446 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: so I actually think in the second half of that 447 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: game and into overtime, the Bills found something like if 448 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: they wind up running the table here, which if you 449 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: look at their schedule outside of the New England game, 450 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: is pretty doable and go into the playoffs as like 451 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: the two or the three seed, if New England slips 452 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: up and make a run. I think there's a possibility, Dan, 453 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: that we look back at that game in Tampa yesterday 454 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: as a sort of turning point. I know it sounds 455 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: crazy because they won thirteen games and went to the 456 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: championship game last year, but I really think that this 457 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: was a team that kind of lost itself over the 458 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: last month, and I really think that they found something 459 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: in the second half against the Bucks. I want to 460 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: make sure I got this correct in what you wrote, 461 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: and that is when Mac Jones comes up for his 462 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: big contract, Like the rate could be sixty five million 463 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: dollars a year, What is that accurate? Dan? You know, 464 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: you know as well as anybody when you go on 465 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: the radio, you say a lot of things, Wait are 466 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: you are you backpedaling here? On sixty five was a number. 467 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: I'll put it this way, sixty five. There's stuff I 468 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: report and stuff I say, and in that case, it 469 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: was I threw a number out there. But I do 470 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: think like they, I do think quarterback salaries are going 471 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: to continue to accelerate and look like, you know, we're 472 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: sort of in this holding pattern. Um, you know, from 473 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: a from a financial standpoint because of COVID, and next 474 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: year is going to be the last year where the 475 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: cap I think is really going to be effect Now 476 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: that's obviously you know, projecting that nothing worse happens, but 477 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: like next year is gonna be the last year that 478 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: the CAP's really weighted down by COVID. Then in twenty 479 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: twenty three, you've got the TV money coming in, You've 480 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: got the gambling money coming in, so that cap could 481 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: jump to two thirty or two forty and twenty twenty three, 482 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: and then in twenty four when Trevor Lawrence and Justin 483 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: Fields and Trey Lance and Mac Jones and all these 484 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: guys are eligible for new contracts, that thing could be 485 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: up at like two seventy, right, and just look at 486 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: the last few years. Okay, Jimmy Garoppolo signed his deal. 487 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: What I think it was four years ago, now right, 488 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: we thought it was crazy that he was getting twenty 489 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: seven and a half million dollars. We still Papa Holmes 490 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: is making forty five dan forty five that's how far 491 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: the market's gone. So, like, I know, sixty five sounds crazy, 492 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: is it, though, because that markets jumped like that way 493 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: over the last four years. So we look three or 494 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: four years down the line when guys like Mac and 495 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence could be doing new contracts, and then you 496 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: factor in the new television deals into the cap, you 497 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: factor in the gambling money into the cap. It doesn't 498 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: It's not that hard to wrap your head around the 499 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: idea of that quarterback number getting up to the sixty 500 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: sixty five million dollar range. In the point I made 501 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: was that if Jacksonville gets Trevor Lawrence going and then 502 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: opens the vault and pays him sixty sixty five million 503 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: dollars a year, what do you think Mac Jones is 504 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: going to be looking at if he continues to win 505 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Michael Parsons, you know, it's one thing 506 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: to say for a rookie of the year, now defensive 507 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: player of the year, and I'm wondering t j Watt 508 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: being banged up, Miles Garrett playing in meaningless games, and 509 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons plays for the Cowboys. The likelihood Michael Parsons 510 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: is your defensive Player of the Year. He's got real momentum, 511 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean, and I think if he keeps making these 512 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: big play, these big splash plays that are turning games, 513 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: like he owned the first half of that game, and 514 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, for awards like this where maybe 515 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: people's eyeballs aren't on him every play of every game, 516 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: like you need moments like that. And I really thought 517 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: coming out of Sunday he was one of these stories 518 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: of Week fourteen in the NFL as a rookie. And 519 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because I talked to him, and 520 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: I talked to his defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, you know, 521 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: last night, and one thing that DQ said to me 522 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: was like, it's so unique that you have a player 523 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: at that age who can handle what we're giving him. 524 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: He's basically playing two different positions, and so they have 525 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: him in the linebacker room right on Wednesdays and Thursdays 526 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: and Fridays, but then he's coming in early on Wednesdays 527 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: and Thursdays so he can do defensive end work, and 528 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: so they have packages where he's a defensive end, they 529 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: have a packages where he's a linebacker. Consider this, Dan, 530 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: He's on pace to blow by Javon Curs's rookie sack 531 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: record right like he could get I mean, like, if 532 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: you look at it, he could get to sixteen seventeen 533 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: eighteen sacks and he's not even a full time defensive end. 534 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: Like he's doing this despite the fact he's spending half 535 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: the time dropping in coverage. So he's such a unique player. 536 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: And you know, I think he's grown up a lot 537 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, which has allowed him 538 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: to maximize his potential. But if Dallas keeps winning like this, 539 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you have that star on your helmet, you 540 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: know how far that piece of it goes, and you 541 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: keep making splash plays and important spots the way he is, 542 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't see why we wouldn't look at him that way, because, honestly, 543 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: that's why I think we look at t J. Watt 544 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: as the defensive player of the year, the leader coming 545 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: into this week, was because he kept making splash plays 546 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: at important points of key games. That's exactly what you 547 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: see Michael Parsons doing in Dallas. I'll leave you with this. 548 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: I brought this up first hour that Aaron Rodgers looked 549 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: great last night. But I look at the schedule at 550 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: Baltimore Cleveland host Minnesota at Detroit, and do they rest 551 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? Would they jeopardize home field advantage to rest 552 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to make sure that he's healthy come postseason time. 553 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: It's really tricky, isn't it? Like and then like do 554 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: you pick the opponent? I mean they would never admit 555 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: to that, you know what I mean? Like, you would 556 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: never admit to we're picking the opponent for like when 557 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna have surgery and New Minnesota Vikings, you're the 558 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: one we're picking, you know what I mean? Like, But like, 559 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: I do think that there's a smart way to go 560 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: about this. And if everything's about the championship, you know, 561 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: I think you could tactfully pick an opponent and say 562 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: all right, like we're gonna do this now. Part of 563 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: it could be determed. The tricky thing is part of 564 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: like do you let like what happens tonight within the 565 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: Cardinals rams game affect that? Right? Like do you let 566 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: the outside forces affect that? I think that's what makes 567 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: it tricky, but he said himself like he could get 568 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: the surgery on a Monday or Tuesday and potentially play 569 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: that week. So if you wanted to game it up 570 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: a certain way, you could definitely look at it and say, 571 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's get the surgery, let's have a 572 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: quick hook with him if he struggles on Sunday, and 573 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: let's see if we can build a lead in that 574 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: game and get him out of the game. I could 575 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: certainly see something like that playing out, or maybe they 576 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: do look at it and say it's worth it to 577 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: have a healthy Aaron Rodgers going into the playoffs, even 578 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: if it means we might have to play a championship 579 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: game in Phoenix to have him at one hundred percent 580 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: and go when the playoffs start. Albert, thank you. As always, 581 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: we appreciate your time. Thanks, Dan, appreciate it. And that's 582 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter and lead content strategist for 583 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: the Monday Morning Quarterback. Thanks for listening to The Dan 584 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 585 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific 586 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on 587 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app. At FSR or stream us live on 588 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: the Peacock app. Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth 589 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: Hour with Ben Maller along with my trustee sidekick David Gascon. 590 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: Would mean a lot to have you join us on 591 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: our weekly auditory journey. You're asking one in God's name 592 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: is the Fifth Hour? I'll tell you it's a spin 593 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: off of that Ben Maller show, Colt hit overnights on FSR. 594 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: Why should you listen? Picture? If you will a world 595 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: will we chat with captains of industry in media, sports 596 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: and more every week explore some amazing facts about a 597 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: human nature and more. Let's sen to the Fifth Hour 598 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: with Ben Maller on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or 599 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. If you were the Packers, 600 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: would you rest Aaron Rodgers? Is the question and sixty 601 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: five percent say no. To start. Let me start there 602 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: with Carson Palmer Carson Packers. Let's say you had to 603 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: pick one. They get home field advantage in the playoffs, 604 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: but no rest for Aaron Rodgers. Or you rest Aaron 605 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: Rodgers for a couple of games and he starts the 606 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: playoffs completely healthy with no home field advantage. Well, I 607 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: don't think it's a guarantee that if you rest Aaron 608 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: for a week or two weeks or three weeks, that 609 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: he gets back to one hundred percent. When you're talking 610 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: about a broken bone and a foot, it could take 611 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: a month. So at the end of the day, when 612 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: you combine that with the fact that the Green Bay 613 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: Packer home field advantage is probably unlike any other in 614 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: the league. When you've got weather concerns that an imposing 615 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: team has to come in and that fan base doesn't 616 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: sell their tickets, that fan base shows up to the game, 617 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: they're not selling their tickets to potential opposing fans where 618 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: they're going to lose some of that crowd noise. So 619 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: I think it's too important to keep that number one 620 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: seed and keep that advantage in their favor. Explain this 621 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: as a former quarterback of the pinky toe on his 622 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: left foot is plant foot as opposed to his right foot. 623 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: How does that affect your throwing? I really don't think 624 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: it should affect it that much. I mean as far 625 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: as is today's you know, with all the equipment and 626 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: the thing in the footbeds you can put the orthodex 627 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: that you can put in a shoe to really help 628 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: protect that pinky toe. I think that's going to be 629 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: really nice. I'm sure that their training staff is on 630 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: top of that, bringing in a consultant or a specialist 631 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: that can create some sort of footbed in his shoe 632 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: to protect it as much as possible. But where it 633 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: really limits him is when he takes off and runs. 634 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: It's not so much the throwing. It's not planning and 635 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: stepping and rotating into throws. It's when he needs to 636 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: extend to play and get outside the pocket and take 637 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: off on third down with his legs where the biggest 638 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: concern will be. And also when you watch him throw, 639 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: as you've talked about, you tell young quarterbacks, don't try 640 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: to emulate Aaron Rodgers. He has so many of those 641 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: off balance throws. He's not really one of those I'm 642 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: going to step into a throw and plant with my 643 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: left leg. No, he's got that Bryson to Shambo swing 644 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: where right at impact and right when the ball's coming out. 645 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: A lot of the times his back foot is off 646 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: the ground. He's already accelerated through the throw and gotten 647 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: his hip through the throw, and that foot comes off 648 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: the ground. And like you're saying with these young quarterback acts. 649 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: There's so many guys coaching keep all seven studs. You 650 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: have seven studs on each cleat, seven cleats that are 651 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: coming out of the bottom of the foot of the cleat. 652 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: And we're always taught as youngsters is keeping those seven 653 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: studs in the ground to get as much ground force 654 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: as you can, to create as much velocity in the throw. 655 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: And so Aaron just does it different. I still don't 656 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: know how he does it. We need a physicist to 657 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: come in and explain it to all of us. But 658 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: he very rarely has all seven studs in the grass. 659 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: We asked this question earlier in the show. You could 660 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: have Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow, Who do you want? 661 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: I would take Herbert right now. I mean, he is 662 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: so special and so so different physically athletically, he is 663 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: so gifted, and I'm not saying anything about Joe that 664 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: he's not. He doesn't have the velocity on in the 665 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: RPMs on the football. He doesn't have the long ball 666 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: ability with the touch that Justin's shown. Joe's got another 667 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: set of traits that are spectacular, and his confidence, his 668 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: knowledge of the game, his coolness and calmness in the pocket, 669 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: are spectacular, and those are outliers compared to other quarterbacks 670 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: in the league. But when you just look at the 671 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: raw talent and the raw athleticism of Justin Herbert, there 672 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: aren't many like him. I mean, maybe Patrick Holmes is 673 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: on the same level. There's probably another guy or two 674 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: that you can when you watch them play. They do 675 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: absolutely off the charts things physically. But right now, I 676 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: think I think Justin Herbert has more athletic ability and 677 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: more physical just physical rawness that you can't teach, you 678 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: can't coach, you can't show a guy how to do. 679 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: He just has it. Can a quarterback run too much? Absolutely? Absolutely? 680 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean I agree. When I was coming up in 681 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: the league, Michael Vick was a guy I loved watching 682 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: play and still loved watching his highlights. You know, he 683 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: ran a lot, and he took a pounding and it 684 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: caught up to him at some point, and you know, 685 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: I used to joke around him. I'd see him at 686 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: different events and even vic when he was running for one, 687 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: he would always get that last couple of yards going 688 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: out of bounds and it wasn't a bone crushing hit, 689 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: but he would just get shoved and then there'd be 690 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: a cameraman or a third down marker in his way, 691 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: and he'd end up falling and rolling out of bounds 692 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: and landing on his shoulder and his neck and his ankle, 693 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: and just all these little incremental hits add up, especially 694 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: when you talk about a guy going into year eight, nine, ten, twelve, fifteen. 695 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: So absolutely, I think you can run too much and 696 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: take an unnecessary amount of pounding on your body. Yeah. 697 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: I thought Michael Vick was a Bo Jackson like talent, 698 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: but he just didn't put in the time in the 699 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I think he had god given ability, and I don't 700 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, unlike like Michael Jordan or you know, athletes 701 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: of that, like Tiger, they had that god given ability, 702 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: but they had the desire to be unbelievably great. And 703 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: I always thought that, you know, Michael took it for 704 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: granted that he was just athletically gifted and he could 705 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: have been so much better. I never felt like that. 706 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know, you know, individual study habits of 707 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: guys and can't comment on that. But I loved watching 708 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: him play. I thought he was as unique a talent 709 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: as any of us have ever seen. There may not 710 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: be another Mike Vic, But I don't know as far 711 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: as study, habits and desire. Every time I've been around him, 712 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: he absolutely loves the game. He knows the game, and 713 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: from coaches that I've been around, like coach Mora and 714 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: a handful of others, loved working with him and loved 715 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: everything that he brought to the team. Watching the Buffalo Bills, 716 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: We're talking to Carson Palmer watching the Bills yesterday. They 717 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of woke up in the fourth quarter. I don't 718 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: know if they found something after they had something missing 719 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks here. But I just 720 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what their identity is, Carson. I don't 721 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: know if they know what kind of team they are. 722 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: What did you sense from what they did first three 723 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: quarters to what they did in the fourth quarter? And 724 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: is that going to change things? In the last month, Yeah, 725 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: it seemed to me like all of a sudden, they realize, 726 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: hold on this, We're about to be maybe on the 727 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: seventh maybe the eighth spot and the AFC playoff picture, 728 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they started showing up and playing. 729 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: You know, I was so excited about watching this team 730 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: this year, and I'm in the same boat. I don't 731 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: know who they are. I've seen them lose to some 732 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: teams they should not have lost too. I've seen them 733 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: play unbelievable football, but the best teams this time of year. 734 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: We're in December, now, we're almost in January. This is 735 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: playoff football team. You can't go into a playoff game 736 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: and start playing in the fourth quarter, especially against the 737 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: defending champs, especially against Bruce Arens, especially against Tom Brady, 738 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: You're gonna get beat and you're gonna get knocked out 739 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: of the playoffs. So you know this team has I 740 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: really like Singletary the running back. I really like Josh Allen, 741 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: I really like the defense. I really like coach McDermott. 742 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: There's so many things to want to like and believe in, 743 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: but they've shown us just enough that we really can't 744 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: trust them. We don't know who they are. And if 745 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: they do find a way to squeak into the playoffs somehow, 746 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: some way, if they show up like that against anybody 747 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: on a playoff day on Sunday, they're gonna get beat 748 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: like they did yesterday. How big is this game for 749 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals and the Rams tonight? Big for both? I mean, 750 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: when you look at both you know both those conferences, 751 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: THEFC and the NFC, the best divisions are on the West. 752 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: You look at what's going on in the NFC West, 753 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: there's three teams maybe that can make the playoffs. And 754 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: the same thing can be said about the AFC West. 755 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: There might be three teams that can squeak in. So 756 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: to get that number one seed, to know that you're 757 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: in and know that when you do get to week sixteen, 758 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, knowing that you won this division between these 759 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: two teams that are playing tonight, you know you got 760 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: that in the bag. Then you can start resting the 761 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: seventeenth week and eighteenth week of the season and make 762 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: sure whether it's Aaron Donald who's banged up, or Kyler 763 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: Murray with an ankle. It gives you that luxury of 764 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: resting those guys if you know you have this division 765 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: locked up. I've been holding off the obvious. Got well, 766 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: you got the heisman, not technically in my hands yet 767 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 1: it is actually at the College Football Hall of Fame. 768 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: But they opened it. They found a way to open 769 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: the heisman. They found a way to open it. We've 770 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: got it, thank you, FedEx it securely got there. We 771 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: really appreciate everything FedEx has done. Really appreciate what your 772 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: boys in the office have done. And it got home. Well, 773 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: I didn't get home yet, but it got to safer 774 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: hands than the Dan Patrick show. Yeah, and I felt 775 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: bad and I was going to make an example of somebody, 776 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: but I can't afford to fire somebody. So you know, 777 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: I know you wanted somebody discipline, but I couldn't do it. 778 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: Carson Um, No, we're sorry. We're sorry that you went 779 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: through all of this and you you got the Heisman 780 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: case and you didn't even get to open it up 781 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: for your your big induction ceremony. Well, I did not 782 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: want to see anybody discipline. I love Fritz, I love Turvy, 783 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: I love Eric. Everybody is great. You guys are the best, 784 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: and nobody deserves a discipline at the end of the day. 785 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: The Heisman got from point A to point B just 786 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: like we needed. Yeah, and I do put some blame 787 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: on you because you trusted us. True. Well, you're this, 788 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: You're in this like beautiful space, this cozy din, this 789 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: man cave, and I just feel like everything's so professional 790 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: over there that I shouldn't have had to worry. And 791 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: to be honest, I didn't worry. At the end of 792 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: the day, it got there. It may not have got 793 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: there the way we wanted or with any kind of 794 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: timing at all, but it got there. Is the heisman 795 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: being sent to you. The heisman currently is at the 796 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame for another, I believe, another couple of months, 797 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: and then it'll come back to me. And I think 798 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: it'll come back with the key and in the correct 799 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: box and and hopefully all in one big piece. Yeah, 800 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: but you put it in the garage. You didn't even 801 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: have it on display at your house. Is it going 802 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: to stay in the garage again? I don't know. It's 803 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: I haven't had how long did you end up having 804 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: it for like two or three years? How long did 805 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: you have it for it? I don't remember the fact 806 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 1: that you don't know how long we had it. I'm 807 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: gonna guess we had it for two years. Maybe. Yeah. 808 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: Do you need it back? Well, I don't want to 809 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: do that, never mind. I mean i'd love that, Okay, 810 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: all right, I would love to have it back. I mean, 811 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: it's a great conversation piece. But the number of people go, 812 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: is that the real heisman? We go? Yes? What do you? 813 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: What do you think it is, and they go, why 814 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: would he give it to you? And I go, I 815 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: don't know, but he did work something out. Yeah, and 816 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 1: it looks like you're on the set of a game 817 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones episode there, like you got basement this castle. Yeah, no, 818 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: this is just the basement, the basement office it is. 819 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: It is a little Game of Thrones feeling. You're right? 820 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: Is that the wine seller. No, it's just it's just 821 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: the basement. It's the basement of office. It's a beautiful 822 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: staircase and looks impressed. I could use a wine seller though, Yeah, 823 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, well talk to bledsoe. Bled So can 824 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: help you with the wine. I love double back wine 825 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: he's doing. I have a bunch of his wine. It's fantastic. 826 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: I do not have a wine seller, but maybe, I 827 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe next time. Maybe if you guys want 828 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: to put a little money into the infrastructure here, we 829 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: can shoot from the future wine seller. Yeah, that's that's 830 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. We lose things. We 831 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: don't buy things, Carson, We're not We're not going to 832 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: help you with your basement wine seller. There. I wouldn't 833 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: trust you or your crew. I agree, I agree by 834 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: the way, the Urban Meyer Mike Vrabel handshake at the 835 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: end of the game. A lot of people made a 836 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: big deal about this. As a former player, is it 837 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: a big deal that handshake after the game? It's not. 838 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, it's not. 839 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: But the immaturity of some of the things that have 840 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: happened in Jacksonville, I mean, when when when it seems 841 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: like you're not as mature as some of your players, 842 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,919 Speaker 1: you got a problem. I mean, it's just one thing 843 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: after another after another after another, and it's not hard. 844 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: You know, cameras are on you. It's not hard to 845 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: throw a smile or at least mouth the word good 846 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: game and shake somebody's hand, especially somebody that you have 847 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: a relationship ship with from the past and it was 848 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: on your team. But um, I know it's definitely there's 849 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: a bigger deal made of what actually happened. But at 850 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: the end of the day, Coach Meyer just needs to 851 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: at least don't you even have to say a good game. 852 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: You can just say so that the cameras pick that 853 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: up and leave your hand in the other guy's hand 854 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: for another, you know, six or seven seconds to make 855 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: it look somewhat genuine. But you know, it seems that 856 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: things have really gone south really quickly. I know, Shad Khan, 857 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't seem to have, you know, a 858 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: long leash on any anybody that's come through that organization 859 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: to get them right. I've heard tremendous stories about the 860 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: ownership group. At some point, it looks like things are 861 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: going to change thereon Jacksonville. But but so you think 862 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: if he just mouths good game and just so it's 863 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: the optics that we get to see this, then you're 864 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: okay with urban Meyer kind of going through the motions. 865 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: I look at everything through the quarterbacks perspective and the 866 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: organization's perspective, and from my viewpoint as the quarterback, and 867 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: you're a rookie. And Trevor Lawrence then goes into his 868 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: presser on Wednesday morning and he's asked seven questions about 869 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: urban Meyer and the distractions and the handshick. Trevor Lawrence 870 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: needs to be focused on the Week fourteen opponent. He 871 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: does not need to be answering questions about his coach 872 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,240 Speaker 1: telling his staff they're losers, him not shaking a guy's 873 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: hand after the game, and just being professional. These are 874 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: all distractions. These things add up, and especially when you 875 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: have a rookie quarterback that's just trying to find his 876 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: way and figure things out, the last thing he needs 877 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: to do is be distracted by things that his head 878 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: coach is doing, either outside the game and after the 879 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: game or off the field. So you know, I think 880 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when you look at 881 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: it through the quarterback's perspective, that's the last thing that 882 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence needs to be worried about is and 883 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: answering questions on Wednesday and Thursday after practice and Friday 884 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: after practice. It's it's just these things are mounting up 885 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: and it has a negative effect on the future your franchise. 886 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: In Trevor Lawrence more concerned about Urban Meyer moving forward 887 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: or Trevor Lawrence, Oh Ruban Meyer one hundred percent. I 888 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is what he did at the collegiate level 889 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: will give him a couple of years to figure it out. 890 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: In the NFL, what he's done in a handful of 891 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: games will give you a little more leniency. Now, there 892 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 1: was the four picked game yesterday that those are some 893 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: issues that they'll need to get over, but those are 894 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: also things that young quarterbacks go through, and those are 895 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: some of the growing pains. But Trevor, in my opinion, 896 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: has all the upside in the world. He's playing for. 897 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: I know this organization has not been great since Shdkin's 898 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: taken over, but he's playing for a great owner that's 899 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: willing to do what it takes to win and willing 900 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: to spend what it takes to win. And so at 901 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you combine raw talent 902 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence has, and he's done it on a 903 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: big stage and needless to say, that was college and 904 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: that was the BCS in the playoffs in college, and 905 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: I know it's a different game in the NFL, but 906 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: he's done it against the Alabamas and some of the 907 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: teams in the SEC. It will soon carry over to 908 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: the NFL level. So there is no doubt in my 909 00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 1: mind that Trevor Lawrence is going to stick around in 910 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: the league for a long time. What's it like when 911 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: you lose confidence in your coach? It's hard, it's hard. 912 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: It's just again, these are distractions when you when you're 913 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: worried about your head coach, benching a player, or you know, 914 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: not playing some of your best players to make a 915 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: statement when you're worried about having to answer questions all 916 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: the time, like we just talked about, you know, at 917 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: the end of the day, they're going to figure these 918 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: things out, they're going to get better. If that's with Urban, 919 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: is the coach or not, it's the right or ownership group, 920 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: it's the right young talent, They're going to figure things 921 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 1: out in Jacksonville. But did you go through a period 922 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: where you didn't trust your coach. I've been really fortunate. 923 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: I played from from Bruce Arians to Marvin Lewis to 924 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. I was very fortunate. I played for some 925 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: great ones. I've seen some opposing players and talk to 926 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,760 Speaker 1: guys I played against that went through some very Urban 927 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: like situations with their coaching staff or their their coordinator 928 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,839 Speaker 1: and no confidence in their coordinator, frustrations with their QB coach. 929 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: I've seen it, and I've seen how that can just 930 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: weigh you down, especially as a young player. So it 931 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: absolutely can be a distraction. It absolutely can be an issue, 932 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: and the right ownership group does the right makes the 933 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: right move at the right time. I wouldn't be surprised 934 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: if we saw a different head coach in Jacksonville next year. 935 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: But I wonder about Russell Wilson in that situation right now, 936 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: Carson just feels like there's some frustration there. It does, 937 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: but I don't think I don't think that should directly 938 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: be pointed on Pete Carroll. I mean, Pete Carroll's proven 939 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 1: that he can win a Super Bowl. He's proven that 940 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: he can build and construct a really good defense. He's 941 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 1: he started over me, and you look back at what 942 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 1: Pete did when he first got there, and they somehow 943 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,799 Speaker 1: got to the playoffs and Matt Hasselbeck was the guy, 944 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 1: and then he built the legion of boom. I don't 945 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,440 Speaker 1: think that Russell needs to be frustrated with the head coach. 946 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,840 Speaker 1: It looks like he's frustrated more with the organization. But 947 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,879 Speaker 1: it's tough. I mean, when you when you talk about 948 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: one of the best organizations in all of sports, like 949 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks, you know you can want out and 950 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: you can want something different, but the grass is not 951 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: always greener on the other side. I enjoyed the game tonight. 952 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: Always great to see you. Thanks again, Buddy, Thanks thanks 953 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: for having me. It's Carson Palmer