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Speaker 1: out there. Boys. You kind of kind of ready for
Speaker 1: the scene to be happen or are we watching last
Speaker 1: minute tape like me and we're trying to figure some
Speaker 1: things out? Are we about ready to put this is
Speaker 1: all the hay in the barn. It's both because on
Speaker 1: one side of things, I just enjoy talking draft, I
Speaker 1: enjoy talking scenarios, I enjoy debating these players. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, yeah, it's ready for it. To be here.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. It's you reach a point I remember
Speaker 1: in college studying for an exam where you're like, f this,
Speaker 1: I know it as well as I'm gonna know it.
Speaker 1: I'm either going to get a good grade or a
Speaker 1: bad grade. Let's just do it. That's how I feel.
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Speaker 1: with us as we get ready for this. We're in
Speaker 1: that mode right now where we're seven days away and
Speaker 1: we all talk to people within the league. Man, maybe
Speaker 1: you get opportunity to talk to some of the guys
Speaker 1: within the Cowboys building. They're really busy right now putting
Speaker 1: together things. Maybe catch them on the way home or
Speaker 1: something like that. But I wanted to ask you guys,
Speaker 1: what should we believe and what should we not believe?
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of you know, Dane, you're
Speaker 1: really plugged in on the Browns and what they've got
Speaker 1: going with, you know, with a quarterback situation. I worked
Speaker 1: with John Dorsey for five years in Green Bay. I
Speaker 1: feel like I know the man pretty well, David, You've
Speaker 1: seen it from afar. But what what should we believe?
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying maybe about the Browns, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying about the draft in general. I mean
Speaker 1: I I've talked to scouts that have a slide of
Speaker 1: a guy like Derwin James. You know, we've talked about
Speaker 1: Brian Broadus has talked about, Hey, guys, yeah, load up,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. I'm I'm the guy that's like
Speaker 1: leading the charge for going up to the top of
Speaker 1: the board and getting a guy like that. But should
Speaker 1: we believe when we talk to people at this time
Speaker 1: that there could be a slide for a guy like
Speaker 1: Derwin James? Should we believe what's going on with the
Speaker 1: quarterback rooms or with the rooms about talking about these quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: When do we When do you kind of shut things off?
Speaker 1: I know we have guys that don't lie to us,
Speaker 1: we don't think so, but when do you When does it?
Speaker 1: Just like, man, I just don't see that happening. Does it?
Speaker 1: Does it? Does it? Does it make you think differently
Speaker 1: about the draft? When you've got people that you trust saying,
Speaker 1: oh no, you don't need to trade up for that guy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be right there for you to pick. I'll
Speaker 1: give you a great cop out answer, which is, I
Speaker 1: mean hopefully that's That's what all this ridiculous preparation is forward, Like,
Speaker 1: that's why you spend twelve months a year on this
Speaker 1: or nine months a year is like, you should be
Speaker 1: prepared for that scenario anyway, and you should know what
Speaker 1: you want to do in that scenario regardless, Like you
Speaker 1: should be prepared to know how you feel about Derwin
Speaker 1: James if he does slide, even if you don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to, and like I mean, even if you're
Speaker 1: convinced he's a top ten pick. You should be prepared
Speaker 1: for that scenario. So you shouldn't. You shouldn't be caught
Speaker 1: off guard by anything. I would hope, I would hope.
Speaker 1: That's why NFL teams spend millions of dollars on this
Speaker 1: draft process, so that they're not caught off guard by anything.
Speaker 1: And it happens every year. I mean, somebody will be
Speaker 1: caught off guard by something, but they shouldn't be Do
Speaker 1: you think that the national As the night wears on,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't you know, mil kiper goes,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why Derwin James is sliding. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why Josh Allen is sliding about Jonathan Allen last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't understand that Millie Cooker. Millie Cooker was another one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is the most I think annoying part of the process.
Speaker 1: This is final week and all the noise that's coming
Speaker 1: out because it's hard to kind of weed through everything,
Speaker 1: and not just from our perspective, but all thirty two
Speaker 1: teams have an intern or somebody on staff glued to
Speaker 1: Twitter to reports. Okay, well this we got scouts following
Speaker 1: us on Twitter all the time, teammates bringing in player
Speaker 1: B for a workout, for a top thirty for whatever.
Speaker 1: They're trying to have as much information as possible so
Speaker 1: they understand who's looking at who, you know, the connections
Speaker 1: that can be made. Uh and then you know, but
Speaker 1: it's all guesswork because you know, no team knows what
Speaker 1: another team's gonna do, and so it's with a case
Speaker 1: like Derwin James, yeah, I'd be pretty shocked if he's
Speaker 1: available say it, you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, But he
Speaker 1: knows with all these quarterbacks going high five going to
Speaker 1: top ten. Somebody's got a fall. Uh you know, whether
Speaker 1: it be a Saquon Barkley or uh you know if
Speaker 1: if anka, yeah, if it's Patrick, definitely, if we feel
Speaker 1: like or there might be a team that prefers they
Speaker 1: did really want a linebacker, so they take a Tremaine
Speaker 1: Edmonds over Derwin James. You know, I don't think any
Speaker 1: of us would do that, but if that team really
Speaker 1: wants a linebacker, they might do so. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't rule out anything happening like that. That's the thing
Speaker 1: too about and you talk about real quick. If you
Speaker 1: talk about Edmonds, you know, there's there's folks that are
Speaker 1: like saying, well, there's teams that will take him over
Speaker 1: over Roquan Smith, and that's madness to me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not new. I mean, people have been saying
Speaker 1: that for months, and I think it's had. They've been
Speaker 1: saying it for months. I I mean absolutely, like the
Speaker 1: narrative on that is that those guys are one A
Speaker 1: and one B and some people prefer one over the other.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's new. Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean I agree, but for us, I think it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, no, we would all agree, we all like
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith better, but for a certain scheme or a
Speaker 1: certain type of personnel guy, okay, whatever you like, Evans
Speaker 1: more like that doesn't shock me. And to further elaborate
Speaker 1: on my point is, if you've done your homework the
Speaker 1: way you're supposed to, why you letting some bs in
Speaker 1: the final week of the process draw you off sides? Like,
Speaker 1: just stick to your convictions, stick to what you think. Sure,
Speaker 1: if somebody throws you a curveball, hopefully you're prepared for it,
Speaker 1: like mcglinchey'd to tend to the raiders. Absolutely. And that's
Speaker 1: the type of thing I mean, See, that's where That's
Speaker 1: where I'm not going. And when it happens, when stuff
Speaker 1: like that happens, then you go, oh, man, there's things
Speaker 1: could happen in that draft you never saw coming, you know,
Speaker 1: and you could be as prepared as you want, But
Speaker 1: there's things that happened in that draft room where you're going, Man,
Speaker 1: we did not plan for this. The Shari Floyd was
Speaker 1: a great example several years ago, and then they had
Speaker 1: him as a top five player and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they're staring at him. They're staring at that kind of
Speaker 1: led to a change in the way they do it didn't, Sure,
Speaker 1: it did. I mean guys lost their jobs doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm saying though, you you know you hear.
Speaker 1: I just trying to ask you when you hear things late. Example,
Speaker 1: you do a lot of mock drafts, we do, you
Speaker 1: monitor mock drafts. You know what Daniel Jeremiah has the way,
Speaker 1: you know, like the closer we get his last draft
Speaker 1: will be his best draft. I have a feeling, but yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody will. But all along it's been James here, James here,
Speaker 1: James here, James here, and then he's two picks away
Speaker 1: from you on this this last mock draft. You know
Speaker 1: you're you're you're hearing something there. And I think when
Speaker 1: you talk to people about doing and you tell me this,
Speaker 1: did you feel like that Derwin James played in a
Speaker 1: way where he was protecting himself that he didn't play
Speaker 1: as well as he did in previous years. Well, no,
Speaker 1: that was definitely, I think, But I think it's more
Speaker 1: as it was just rust than anything, because he missed
Speaker 1: almost all of his well, he played great as a freshman,
Speaker 1: and then his sophomore year which ended up being in
Speaker 1: a red shirt year. He missed almost the entire year.
Speaker 1: Sure this year there was obvious rust. The NC State
Speaker 1: game pops out in my mind, you know, watching that
Speaker 1: tape and seeing him struggle in coverage. I think the
Speaker 1: biggest thing with Derwin James is you feel good about
Speaker 1: him playing linebacker safety nicol He can plain so many spots.
Speaker 1: Does he have a true home? And I think that's
Speaker 1: what some teams are struggling with, is Okay, if we
Speaker 1: dropped Irwin James as he are starting strong safety as
Speaker 1: they are strong, like, were we going to play him specifically?
Speaker 1: And that could be something that they struggle with and
Speaker 1: that could be h more of a struggle than Meca Fitzpatrick. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's a similar similar veins. See, there's two
Speaker 1: players that we've thought all along, I mean as potential
Speaker 1: top five players. Yeah, and now it's like, and I
Speaker 1: always ask you that question because I've had several scouts
Speaker 1: tell me that from different teams, They like, what are
Speaker 1: you seeing this guy? And I describe this and the
Speaker 1: linebacker the nickel, you know, he gets some throwing lanes
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, Like do you think he
Speaker 1: played better. You play the play as good as he
Speaker 1: could play, you know, And they're they're they're the questions
Speaker 1: is about and now I'm kind of and now I
Speaker 1: understand why Daniel Jeremiah has him potentially there, because he's
Speaker 1: probably talking to some of his buddies as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's two dirty little secrets in the draft. Number one,
Speaker 1: which we've talked about plenty, is need plays way more
Speaker 1: of a factor, sure than people want to admit. That's
Speaker 1: how you'st player within needs three receivers going in the
Speaker 1: top ten last year. Yeah, yeah, that's how. That's how
Speaker 1: you wind up with Mike McGlinchey going in the top ten. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So don't be surprised. That is dirty little secret number one,
Speaker 1: Dirty little secret number two. It's not a secret, I guess.
Speaker 1: But these teams, for they're all stubborn. They all think
Speaker 1: they know more than everybody else. You should hear the
Speaker 1: conversation we had about quarterbacks just before you came in.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, they are all you think
Speaker 1: think back to free agency with the Tyrone Matthew conversation.
Speaker 1: They are all and they they should be they but
Speaker 1: they're beholding to their scheme. So you're watching a guy
Speaker 1: just like he can do this, he can do that,
Speaker 1: he can do that, and these teams are like, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't fit what we need him to do in
Speaker 1: our scheme. And that's how you wind up. You know,
Speaker 1: that's and that's how I can see it nineteen. That's
Speaker 1: how that is a great point. That's how Tremaine Edmonds
Speaker 1: goes number seven, five spots ahead of Roquan Smith because
Speaker 1: they're like, well, we really don't think Roquan can do
Speaker 1: this in our three four. We don't want our team
Speaker 1: talking about Hey, but if you if you if you
Speaker 1: want a three, if you run a three four and
Speaker 1: one of monster, yeah, just gigantic linebacker, you probably do
Speaker 1: want Tremaine Edmunds absolutely, yeah, you know, yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: that type of stuff happens. Yeah. And with Derwin James, Okay,
Speaker 1: go back to last year, we had one safety taken
Speaker 1: to the top ten, Jamal Adams, who went with six
Speaker 1: to the Jets. Jets. Derwin James is a far superior
Speaker 1: athlete and I think ye much higher ceiling than Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams does. But I mean, but you're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: that Derwin James is a you know, belongs in the teens,
Speaker 1: where Jamal Adams is a top six pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: can I play Devil's Advocate here? And I think at
Speaker 1: this point you both know how much I like Derwin James.
Speaker 1: But there's some Byron Jones going on here and maybe
Speaker 1: the Derwin Yeah, I mean we had. I mean it
Speaker 1: sounds a lot like Byron Jones. And Byron's arguably a
Speaker 1: better athlete than Derwin James, at least from a number standpoint.
Speaker 1: And Jet, I mean, vertical forty whatever set a freaking
Speaker 1: world record in the broad Sure does that concern you
Speaker 1: at all? It doesn't concern me because I've I I
Speaker 1: don't know Byron. Byron Jones's tape didn't look at that's good.
Speaker 1: I've seen I seen enough badass stuff on Derwin James's tape.
Speaker 1: And I and I'll tell you what I'll argue about
Speaker 1: every you know, you and I argue about Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is a bust or not? Yeah? You know, I mean
Speaker 1: that's an argument. And and I I guys played forty
Speaker 1: eight games. I don't know how you can call him
Speaker 1: a bus but that bust. Bust is harsh, but hit
Speaker 1: is also overly nice. But he you picked him at
Speaker 1: twenty seven, right, Like I said, bust is harsh. But
Speaker 1: if you're not sure two weeks out that they're going
Speaker 1: to pick up his option, yeah, then you did. Well,
Speaker 1: they've already moved him the corner. You didn't nail the pick.
Speaker 1: If you have questions about his future heading into year four,
Speaker 1: you didn't nail the pick. Yeah, you didn't, but he didn't.
Speaker 1: He's not a bust. He's certainly far from being a bust.
Speaker 1: But a good draft pick is you're like, well, obviously
Speaker 1: they're gonna pick up his option. That's a good draft pick.
Speaker 1: Have the Cowboys set himself up to be traded in
Speaker 1: front of in this draft? But with wide receiver? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that? Why? Is that why they're looking at so
Speaker 1: many of them to try and figure out that they
Speaker 1: kind of think, Okay, if Ridley goes ahead of us,
Speaker 1: it's it's Seattle Bayals. I would like to think again
Speaker 1: that they're just covering all the scenarios possible. I would like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I I I But but they does it feel like
Speaker 1: does it feel like that when we're sitting here on
Speaker 1: draft night and I'm look over and in Seattle's on
Speaker 1: the clock, and then all of a sudden, I see
Speaker 1: another team's logo is that is are they setting themselves
Speaker 1: up to think, oh, somebody's going to get a wide
Speaker 1: receiver there? But I don't think they set themselves up
Speaker 1: for that. I mean, something like that happens, then so
Speaker 1: be it, you know, but it's not like getting you know,
Speaker 1: cutting death when they did it affected that the teams
Speaker 1: know this, that Cowboys are looking at receivers. Um. I
Speaker 1: think that you won't get anybody in that room to
Speaker 1: admit this. But I think when they took Taco Charlton
Speaker 1: last year, there's a little bit of like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a good player, like yeah, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think there was a lot of like exactly and
Speaker 1: in this draft, like I don't. I don't think they
Speaker 1: don't want to be stuck in a situation where Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, we got the receiver, we're good. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: with a guy they like maybe a little bit more
Speaker 1: on the board, like a Layton Vandrush or a Vita Vea,
Speaker 1: whoever that may be. These are names that could be
Speaker 1: in that discussion. Who you know, Harold Landry, could he
Speaker 1: be there? Sure? Do they want to pass on a
Speaker 1: guy like that, just because I would wide receiver might
Speaker 1: be a bigger need. I mean, you weren't here Monday.
Speaker 1: I don't need to go on the whole tangent again
Speaker 1: because I went for like six minutes. I don't need
Speaker 1: to do it again. It is a very good bet
Speaker 1: that they will draft a receiver nineteenth. Like, it's not
Speaker 1: silly to think that that happens. But you're making a
Speaker 1: mistake if you're just locked onto that possibility. That's and
Speaker 1: that's why if a team is like, we gotta get
Speaker 1: in front of Dallas, we gotta get in front of
Speaker 1: Dallas to get our receiver, I think they're making a
Speaker 1: mistake too, because as it sits right now, I still
Speaker 1: think linebackers the biggest need on this team. No, but
Speaker 1: not to mention guard and safety. But people will take
Speaker 1: what we're listening to right now, the narratives. Everybody's saying, well,
Speaker 1: Dallas has to have they have to have a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: We're trying to educate. Yeah, we're trying to educate people
Speaker 1: that you don't need a wide receiver at nineteen, right
Speaker 1: But you know we're trying to say, okay, listen, there's
Speaker 1: options that you can have. There there's you know, there's
Speaker 1: options you don't have to have, which again I'm about
Speaker 1: to sound like a hipster, and that's okay because I
Speaker 1: kind of am one. But like going back to your point,
Speaker 1: that's what makes this week so annoying is like the
Speaker 1: people who care enough to get involved in this process
Speaker 1: in January and February. I mean, you you should already
Speaker 1: know this, but then like you got all these Johnny
Speaker 1: Come Lately's who the Cowboys Company bought the Beast in
Speaker 1: the Star as well. Yeah, there's way more people that
Speaker 1: didn't than did, unfortunately, and so you got to kind
Speaker 1: of fight through that noise too, like, oh where have
Speaker 1: you been? We've been saying this for months. I think
Speaker 1: ideally they'd like to go linebacker wide receiver in the
Speaker 1: first two rounds in whatever order sure, whether that's Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh and Anthony Miller or um, you know, could be
Speaker 1: DJ Moore and whatever linebacker they want one day two.
Speaker 1: You know, I think in a perfect role, that's what
Speaker 1: they would do. Now you know, things change, Harold Andrew's
Speaker 1: falls of falls, I think that we need to I
Speaker 1: think that you're absolutely right what you're saying. I think
Speaker 1: we need to think about the defensive lineman here too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I really really do. When you talk about
Speaker 1: you said Vey, and I'm glad you say that, because
Speaker 1: I there there is clearly there is clearly a love
Speaker 1: for him in this building. There really is. Why would
Speaker 1: you ignore a guy who was a thirty visit? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's some some genuine I think there's some
Speaker 1: genuine love for him in this building. Do you think
Speaker 1: they're on pains in the same I think pain's in
Speaker 1: the same breath. Yeah. I think if you if you're
Speaker 1: if you know, they're gonna they're gonna look at this
Speaker 1: thing and say, okay, there's six guys. But again, I
Speaker 1: don't mean to get away from where I was talking,
Speaker 1: because I'm you're starting to hear some things about Ridley.
Speaker 1: You know, he's only this and he's only this somebody say,
Speaker 1: somebody you know and out of the first round. Yeah see,
Speaker 1: I mean how does that? I mean again, how does
Speaker 1: that happen? You know, whether you like more or not.
Speaker 1: The fact that the one that's risen into this thing
Speaker 1: that I did, I did I have problems is sudden.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely Oh yeah, he's the one that I don't
Speaker 1: give me Miller, give me, you know, give me other
Speaker 1: guys give me Gallop. I'm just talking about me. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about me. You know. I'm sure you have
Speaker 1: some you know, different thoughts about that Sutting is my
Speaker 1: number four receiver. But at the moment does was cut,
Speaker 1: the moment that became reality was that last Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the moment it happened that my first tweet was well,
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton just became a much more real possibility. That
Speaker 1: was the first thing that came into my mind because
Speaker 1: with Sutton, he is that prototypical X with what he offers.
Speaker 1: He is a very deslike receiver. But yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: the verbiage about him. The discussions about him are all
Speaker 1: going this way. And then when the guy who's really
Speaker 1: the best route runner in the draft, his discussions are
Speaker 1: going this way. Which and that's what I'm saying, Where
Speaker 1: we where do we believe? And do you do you
Speaker 1: just do you put the blinders up and say stop
Speaker 1: it stop? It's interesting, Well, we know we know the
Speaker 1: Cowboys like Sudden. Yeah, I mean they worked him out,
Speaker 1: ye brought him in, sure, so it's not like they
Speaker 1: don't like him. But I wonder how much. How much?
Speaker 1: And you know, it's so it's so typical of media,
Speaker 1: and I'm in the media, so I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: bash anybody, but they're just like, Oh, he's big and
Speaker 1: looks like Dez, so that's the pick. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a little more nuanced than that. And I would hope,
Speaker 1: I would hope, I would hope. You're absolutely right. I
Speaker 1: would hope that just because there's a Dez sized hole
Speaker 1: in the lineup now doesn't mean they just try to
Speaker 1: get a guy that looks like Des And I hope
Speaker 1: not that that's kind of what I've been preaching as well.
Speaker 1: Hopefully they go for I just hope they're looking for
Speaker 1: the receiver that could make the biggest impact and not
Speaker 1: the receiver that fits the X perfectly. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Des hole, Like you're talking about Calvin Ridley, I
Speaker 1: got him create his own separation. Is he an X? No,
Speaker 1: he doesn't, you know, but we so caught up in
Speaker 1: the alphabet soup of the wide receivers. Just give me
Speaker 1: the best players that can make an impact and separate
Speaker 1: catch the ball. Play again. Again. You go back to
Speaker 1: that what I said earlier, that like you know, this
Speaker 1: is more about need than any team wants to admit.
Speaker 1: And so I hope the Cowboys don't fall into that
Speaker 1: draft we've talked about with the exit on a guy
Speaker 1: that looks like what they think they need. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Do they do you draft a
Speaker 1: wide receiver at nineteen with the thought that you might
Speaker 1: change the coach next year? You know, it's so it's
Speaker 1: such a you know, no, Well, if you're draft I mean,
Speaker 1: does that does that play your thought at all? If
Speaker 1: you're Jerry Joe, if you're drafting a receiver at nineteen,
Speaker 1: I would hope he could fit into any scheme that
Speaker 1: any coach is gonna run. That's why you draft the
Speaker 1: best wide receiver. You can't, Yeah, you don't try to,
Speaker 1: you know, get it exactly right with the prototypical X
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to do. I mean, look, I
Speaker 1: like Sutton. He's my number four receiver. I think he
Speaker 1: has number one potential. I don't, but I'm taking the
Speaker 1: receiver and DJ Moore even would it shock you if
Speaker 1: DJ Moore is the top wide receiver on their board?
Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all, not at all. The
Speaker 1: thing that will appeal to this team with more over
Speaker 1: Ridley is the fact that he could play X, Y
Speaker 1: or Z. Right, he could play any of those positions
Speaker 1: probably and be okay. Now is he's three and a
Speaker 1: half inches shorter than Courtland Sutton and you think about
Speaker 1: that as an outside receiver. But with DJ Moore, I
Speaker 1: still think I would I would much rather have him
Speaker 1: at one team than teams struggled with guys that can
Speaker 1: get open. They struggle with that. Get you know, they've
Speaker 1: got to look at finding those guys. Yeah, well no, no,
Speaker 1: guys that can actually get open, you know, the route
Speaker 1: runners and stuff like that. Let's play a fun little game,
Speaker 1: can we play when we get back? No, real quick? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Not yes or no? Okay, just yes
Speaker 1: or no. Week out from the draft. Is the nineteenth
Speaker 1: overall pick to the Cowboys or receiver? No? No? I
Speaker 1: also think no, which leads me to believe that it's
Speaker 1: kind of Beard here wide receiver. Yeah, but it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's there's so many. I don't think they're mean.
Speaker 1: They're doing their homework, but I think they're doing their
Speaker 1: homework to try and find the best one. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the idea, that's a stupid statement I just made.
Speaker 1: But but the idea is to do as much homework
Speaker 1: as you can. And all these guys and again that's
Speaker 1: why they bring a guy in here like that, like Sutton.
Speaker 1: My prediction a week out this this might change tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Layton van Drush is the pick at nineteen and then
Speaker 1: they DeMarcus Lawrence Okay, the pick for Courtland Sutton in
Speaker 1: late one, early two. I said, I said that last week,
Speaker 1: So I'm that jumping on my bandwacker and that you
Speaker 1: can believe. I didn't say. I didn't say players, but
Speaker 1: I just said, I bet they got off. There's talk
Speaker 1: you can believe. Yeah, you know we're we're hearing a
Speaker 1: lot of noise. Okay, we've got to take a break.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for your opinions, and I appreciate When
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Speaker 1: would ask this question. He's been asking it a lot,
Speaker 1: so okay, who is y'all's Xavier Woods this year, which
Speaker 1: is to say, a guy you like a lot who
Speaker 1: might still inexplicably be hanging around later on in the draft.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Um, I might go with Dorri's Fountain. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver from Northern Wi, A light a lot.
Speaker 1: I think he's might need a little bit of a
Speaker 1: red shirt ear as a rookie. But when we're looking
Speaker 1: back at this draft in a couple of years and
Speaker 1: we'll he'll end up being a steal. So fifth, sixth round,
Speaker 1: if he's still on the board, has step a player
Speaker 1: i'd go get. I don't know what the deal is
Speaker 1: going to happen with SINCHI need to figure that one out.
Speaker 1: Chie CINCHI I think that that's a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because to me, that guy is kind of if he
Speaker 1: was not hurt. You're talking about a guy like Josie Jewel.
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about a guy you would like
Speaker 1: in that second round, maybe third round, they stop plotting.
Speaker 1: White guy, No, just got the ball. Yeah, just a guy.
Speaker 1: It makes every single tackle. And that's when you when
Speaker 1: you watch those guys, I wonder, I wonder what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen to Golden? I do I was just about to mention, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder what's gonna happen to him, because he's gonna
Speaker 1: be there in fourth round and y'all are gonna be like,
Speaker 1: why didn't he go top twenty y? What's going on?
Speaker 1: There's clearly a Draft show favorite and that's him, no doubt.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of folks out there when
Speaker 1: they do their mock draft, so they send us those mocks,
Speaker 1: he's always getting picked at you know, one nineteen. You know,
Speaker 1: he's always getting picked and he's he's part of the
Speaker 1: guy they throw in there. And I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: this though, if he's there, by gosh, somebody take him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he is going to be a hell of
Speaker 1: a football He might be a hell of a football
Speaker 1: player for this team, but maybe the Cowboys are gonna
Speaker 1: have to play and every you'll understand, like what we
Speaker 1: were talking about. So I'm interested to see where he
Speaker 1: falls in this draft. He might go, he could go
Speaker 1: very he could go Day two, or he could very
Speaker 1: well be one of those guys in Day three that
Speaker 1: we keep going, Dane, give me your top three guys,
Speaker 1: and it's like, and he's still there. My favorite thing
Speaker 1: about being involved in the draft process is like you
Speaker 1: get attached to these guys, jeez, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: just it's not even about the Cowboys anymore or who
Speaker 1: you're just like somebody let my man prosper. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: We talked about Derwin a lot in the first segment,
Speaker 1: but Gabriel or gabrielle Um, he would like why I
Speaker 1: and is it position flex? Like why would why would
Speaker 1: Derwin James be rumored to be to be dropping? I saw?
Speaker 1: They think because of that he saw this morning he
Speaker 1: declined private workouts, like do you think that plays a role?
Speaker 1: And his agent said that he had, you know, he'd
Speaker 1: had a really good workout at the Combine, he worked
Speaker 1: out at Florida State Pro Day, you know, and his
Speaker 1: agent basically said no, and I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah. And and even some coaches have commented
Speaker 1: in the in the fact that like they've going in
Speaker 1: and worked out kids and two days before another team
Speaker 1: came in and worked out a kid. You know, as
Speaker 1: you feel like these four kids, they feel like obligated
Speaker 1: to do these workouts. Yeah, because if they say no,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna go back to the draft room. And said
Speaker 1: this is a bad kid. He turned us down dot
Speaker 1: dot dot dot, you know, and all that, and it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of crap. Navius Street tears exactly, our guy
Speaker 1: Nelson at Wisconsin. At Wisconsin, those are two players that
Speaker 1: would have been good, solid players to start day three.
Speaker 1: So now a sudden, these kids are having to rehab
Speaker 1: in their whole. They're they're gonna be, you know, on
Speaker 1: the shelf. But if that's why, if that's why he's falling,
Speaker 1: no shame. I think I just from talking to scouts,
Speaker 1: not the Dallas Cowboy scouts, just these scouts, our scouts
Speaker 1: around the league. They're worried about the play, the level
Speaker 1: of play, What was the level of play? Was he
Speaker 1: a better player? Or what are you getting with the player?
Speaker 1: You know what what it's like again, it's like Meca Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: where are we going to play him? What are we
Speaker 1: gonna do with him? You could see the tape the guy,
Speaker 1: But they're questioning like did he always did he always
Speaker 1: play hard? Was it always going there? Well? The first
Speaker 1: words out of my mouth every time I talked about
Speaker 1: Irwin James he's a better athlete than football player right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but you you ask like we did at
Speaker 1: Texas A and M and John Maschoda. I give you
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for this, because I was going
Speaker 1: to try and get the question to Jimbo Fisher before
Speaker 1: and Mashoda jumped it on me. And he says, you know,
Speaker 1: he asked Jimbo Fisher. He says, Jimbo Fisher said, if
Speaker 1: I was starting a team and aff he would be
Speaker 1: the first player I would take. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean that's he says. He goes, I don't know a
Speaker 1: much about these A and M kids, but that one
Speaker 1: I do know about. Yeah, And so he you know,
Speaker 1: the coaching staff absolutely loved him, but scouts around the
Speaker 1: league are a little concerned about was he the best
Speaker 1: player that he could absolutely be or is that what
Speaker 1: he is? You know? So, going back to Dane's point
Speaker 1: from before the break, Caleb wants to know, would you
Speaker 1: rather trade back in the first and wind up with
Speaker 1: Sutton or trade up in the second to get him?
Speaker 1: So basically, do you risk waiting until the second to
Speaker 1: get him? I mean, so, yeah, so he's available at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, you know, let's say trade back to twenty
Speaker 1: five and draft him and pick up a third trade
Speaker 1: or take your guy at nineteen, and then you've got
Speaker 1: to be comfortable going at least five or six picks
Speaker 1: into the second round hoping he falls. Basically, I think
Speaker 1: there's I want to get the guy at nineteen me personally,
Speaker 1: the problem you run into is I agree with I mean, well,
Speaker 1: if you I don't want to draft Courtland Sutton in
Speaker 1: the first round, but if you tell me I can
Speaker 1: pick up an extra pick and draft him further back
Speaker 1: from our original slot, like, I can live with that.
Speaker 1: I'd be way happy to live with it too. What's
Speaker 1: what's gonna be easier for you to do? Go back
Speaker 1: or go back up? Well, go back up because you're
Speaker 1: in control of that. I mean, it's up to you.
Speaker 1: If you want to go up, you need somebody willing
Speaker 1: to come up in order. No, That's what I'm saying though,
Speaker 1: So it's probably easier to go up. Yeah, because we've
Speaker 1: been talking about this, you know, the last few months.
Speaker 1: If you feel like you overpay there when you go up, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, is that okay? If we feel like, as
Speaker 1: the draft show that the run of the wide receivers
Speaker 1: is going to start at the top of the second round,
Speaker 1: I think we kind of our convention, that's our you know,
Speaker 1: is the price of going up going to be too
Speaker 1: much to do that? You are people gonna hold you
Speaker 1: up instead of if you go back and take him.
Speaker 1: Isn't that you pick up the pick? Man? Maybe if
Speaker 1: you don't get the guy, you're kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we went back for but we didn't get it. Butt, Okay,
Speaker 1: we gotta pick, but it maybe a softened the blow
Speaker 1: a little bit if you don't get him. So you
Speaker 1: got to figure out a range for him, you know,
Speaker 1: I ask you guys all the time, what's the range?
Speaker 1: What's the range for Courtland? Something? I bet you he
Speaker 1: I bet you're gonna tell me he's gonna get picked
Speaker 1: somewhere between nineteen and fifty. Yeah, yeah, that's that's, you know.
Speaker 1: But where is that range? I would even say I
Speaker 1: would nineteen and thirty? Yes, Okay, there you go, There
Speaker 1: you go, there you go. Okay, let's according to the
Speaker 1: trade value chart, your second and third round picks get
Speaker 1: you up to pick thirty two or thirty three? There
Speaker 1: you go? So will somebody be interested in doing that?
Speaker 1: Would somebody be interested in taking my third round pick?
Speaker 1: Is there? What you're saying? The second and third round
Speaker 1: pick eighty one, fifteen eighty one to go to thirty four,
Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty three, yeah, thirty two. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like that. For whatever it's worth, it did Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: plan it is. It's a way more valuable position. I
Speaker 1: don't like that plan. I would. I'd rather if if
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton's gonna wind up on this team, I'd rather
Speaker 1: trade back to twenty five, pick up pick eighty seven,
Speaker 1: and do it there. So I get Courtland Sutton, then
Speaker 1: I pick fifty, then I pick eighty one, and then
Speaker 1: I pick eighty. That's so much more appealing to me
Speaker 1: than getting rid of one of my premium picks for
Speaker 1: a receiver who I like but don't love. You want
Speaker 1: to I don't know if I agree with that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay mc mclinch's on the board at nineteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: say he's on the board at nineteen. Saints call you, yep,
Speaker 1: Saints call you going down. They got they're gonna give
Speaker 1: you that. They can give you the three and the four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's still okay, Yeah, let's do that. I mean, where
Speaker 1: the scene is picking twenty seventy seven, they're gonna give
Speaker 1: you the three and they're four. Do you have you're
Speaker 1: taking Sutting in twenty seven? I mean in this scenario, yes,
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't draft him, right, But yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm leaving day one with if
Speaker 1: if I have one pick in the top forty nine
Speaker 1: picks and it's Courtland Sutton, I don't really feel great
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, I know you pick up an
Speaker 1: extra third, great, I mean, but the late third what's
Speaker 1: their third round pick? Eighty one? You got to turn
Speaker 1: in front of You're right, the Dallas was eighty one? No, no,
Speaker 1: the scene, Yeah, look behind you just go down to
Speaker 1: I mean it's not even an I mean, give me,
Speaker 1: give me all the third round picks. I'll pick good players,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, I don't know if that's enough
Speaker 1: to make me not pick in the top twenty. This
Speaker 1: is bumming me out. See now let me ask you
Speaker 1: this does it? Does it? This is where Dane's plan
Speaker 1: I think makes sense. Well, what take take your linebacker? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, why do I feel like that?
Speaker 1: So you're scenario you're getting four players, but only one's
Speaker 1: in the top forty nine. In this scenario, we'd get
Speaker 1: two players, but both are in the top thirty five.
Speaker 1: To me, personally, I feel like I'd rather have the
Speaker 1: two in the top thirty five two theoretically better players.
Speaker 1: Theoretically theoretically is a big word right there. It is
Speaker 1: a big part of that. I don't like this conversation
Speaker 1: at all. It's just like, I just hate that feeling
Speaker 1: you get when you just feel like, how about a
Speaker 1: second round pick. What they're gonna do is not what
Speaker 1: you want and you're just nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 1: I mean about a second round that I know anything,
Speaker 1: But how about Jacksonville. Let's go to Jacksonville. Let's go
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville at twenty nine and pick up a second
Speaker 1: round pick. Does that do anything for you? Yes? Even better?
Speaker 1: Twenty nine drop ten spots. You're dropping two. I'm dropping
Speaker 1: to get their second rounder. Yeah, what's their second rounder?
Speaker 1: Like sixty one? There you go. Yeah, that makes you
Speaker 1: feel better? Yeah, it does. So you pick twenty nine
Speaker 1: fifty sixty one, Right, let's freaking go. I feel a
Speaker 1: lot better about that than I do. Let's go third
Speaker 1: and fourth. Let's go by the way, folks, we can
Speaker 1: do our mock draft, our annual Cowboy mock draft Monday.
Speaker 1: So how much I work myself up about all this?
Speaker 1: All this will be all this will be discussed, all right, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: let's before like we're way far in the weeds, and
Speaker 1: we are way Jacob. This is a good point that
Speaker 1: Jacob brings up, at least as far as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are concerned. Michael Gallup has just completely fallen off the
Speaker 1: map like he's one of the a lot like Anthony Miller.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that you know, you're not here and
Speaker 1: so do you have a time by the way, on
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller fo Yeah, all right, thank you? Do you
Speaker 1: think I mean, it's pretty good. It seems six is three.
Speaker 1: Cone was like one of the best we've seen this
Speaker 1: pre draft process. It's and all right, well let's do
Speaker 1: a two for then. It seems like you never can
Speaker 1: be sure, but it seems like the fact that Miller
Speaker 1: and Gallup haven't really been linked the way that the
Speaker 1: other receivers have seems less likely. Do you see do
Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys still like them? Slash? Where do
Speaker 1: you think those two guys will go? And you know,
Speaker 1: we just talked about that Brown receivers Mott Miller to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys fifty numerous times, and I kind of feel like, though,
Speaker 1: that Miller's a better player than Gallop. I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if you gave me a choice between one or
Speaker 1: the other, I'm gonna take forget the Cowboys picks, just
Speaker 1: give me a range. The range is tough because Miller,
Speaker 1: to me, is the clear number three in this draft
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I think it's really more in Miller some teams,
Speaker 1: I think star will be some teams that agree. I
Speaker 1: think there will be some teams that have Miller farther down.
Speaker 1: Who picks? Who picks thirty three? The Browns? The Browns? Okay,
Speaker 1: who picks thirty four? Giants? The Giants? Then? Not? Really? Not?
Speaker 1: Maybe not? A Browns pick thirty five and the Browns
Speaker 1: pick thirty five again? Could could we see the run
Speaker 1: on the receivers be at thirty six? Who picks thirty six?
Speaker 1: Indies thirty six and thirty seven? Yeah? Could we start
Speaker 1: to see it then? So, if you're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out a range for these wide receivers, but I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find a range for Miller and Gallup, I think
Speaker 1: Gallup is probably closer to fifty than Miller. Even though
Speaker 1: even though I picked Miller every single time for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at fifty, you don't think he lasts that long,
Speaker 1: just now that he ran four to five. Forget the
Speaker 1: name Courtland Sutton. I just if the Cowboys don't take
Speaker 1: a receiver at nineteen and they want one of the
Speaker 1: guys they really like, I think they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go up for him. Yeah. I think there's a good
Speaker 1: we could see them trade off for DJ Chark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's Chark. Yeah. Uh um Miller maybe, I
Speaker 1: know he's not really linked to them. M Kirk is
Speaker 1: a name worth. They've been covert with their Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean there isn't Miller. Uh because yeah, Miller. To me,
Speaker 1: I don't know why people are sleeping on him, but
Speaker 1: he's I don't know how he's not a consensus top
Speaker 1: five receiver in this draft. Question from EJ switching gears
Speaker 1: a bit. We know that they really like Nihim Hinz
Speaker 1: they do. He says, give me another day three running
Speaker 1: back who makes sense? And he didn't say this, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. Edo Smith from Southern miss is
Speaker 1: another guy. But and this we talked about this before
Speaker 1: the show. You think back to last year they did.
Speaker 1: They did their homework on Danielle Pumphrey for months, and
Speaker 1: what happened? He got ripped right out from under him. Right,
Speaker 1: So they went and draft Ryan Switzer, who they really
Speaker 1: weren't linked to in the pre draft process. So again,
Speaker 1: do your homework for all scenarios. The thirty visits is
Speaker 1: a great guide post, but you can't just assume that
Speaker 1: guy's going to be there for you, right, So give
Speaker 1: me some You know, this team is probably gonna take
Speaker 1: a Day three running back other than the guys that
Speaker 1: we already know what you got? What about? Uh, I'll
Speaker 1: take I'll take a guy. But I know you you
Speaker 1: like the Iowa kid more than I do. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do like Widely a lot. You think he'd be
Speaker 1: a fit with what they want to absolutely do? All right?
Speaker 1: I just assumed you were gonna say John Kelly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kelly's I mean I like, but if you I like
Speaker 1: Wildly Kelly and well, actually take that back. I like
Speaker 1: Wadley Walton Kelly is how that order? I have him?
Speaker 1: We have fourth, I have Widley and the third. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have Wadley ahead of I have Wadley ahead of Chubb.
Speaker 1: I'm behind Chubb and ahead of Penny. That's how much
Speaker 1: I like that kid. Okay, wow, Yeah, I just really
Speaker 1: like I do a lot. I feel like that. You
Speaker 1: watch him. They handed the ball down after down after down.
Speaker 1: He's running through some some some big ten defenses Penn State,
Speaker 1: Ohio stam and he's making yards. He's catching the football.
Speaker 1: It's occasional pass blocker. I think he offers a little
Speaker 1: bit different to what you have. I love his toughness,
Speaker 1: but they could go for a guy that's got a
Speaker 1: little bit more wiggle to him. This guy's kind of
Speaker 1: a take it, cut it and go guy my, uh
Speaker 1: my guy. Later the draft. Philip Lindsay from Colorado, Colorado,
Speaker 1: you're talking about him, guy, I really like he's like
Speaker 1: one of three players in school history that was a
Speaker 1: three time team captain. Sure like he's gonna fit exactly
Speaker 1: what they want drafted Colorado players here before. He had
Speaker 1: fifty catches as a junior in twenty five last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, he can catch the ball at the backfield.
Speaker 1: I love the way he runs the football. A combined snub.
Speaker 1: If he's there, six seventh round. How about our guy
Speaker 1: Carter from Grambling. Yeah, he's in that mix too. See
Speaker 1: he's a smaller guy that's explosive and can be a
Speaker 1: kickoff return guy too. So I mean, but yeah, you
Speaker 1: throw him the football, he's tough, he'll pick up, he's aware,
Speaker 1: he's a guy. I mean, and they worked out they've
Speaker 1: worked out those guys. So yeah, I keep an eye
Speaker 1: on Carter from Grambling. He would he would fit the
Speaker 1: bill for me for a day day three guy that's
Speaker 1: a little bit later in the draft. Stephen Jones said
Speaker 1: earlier this week that doubling up on wide receivers is
Speaker 1: something they could do a ken to what they did
Speaker 1: at cornerback last year. What rounds give you the best
Speaker 1: value for doing that? And we we know this is
Speaker 1: a deep class two, three and four, right, you say
Speaker 1: two and four probably and four, Yeah, because in a
Speaker 1: second you get your guy, whoever that is, and then
Speaker 1: you see who falls doing the fourth. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because if they'll be a third round receiver on that board,
Speaker 1: tray Quon Smith Hamilton, you know, absolutely, we talked so
Speaker 1: much about these wide receivers on Day two, three or four,
Speaker 1: we're gonna slide into three. It's bound to happen. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I would kind of be surprised by that though. I mean,
Speaker 1: the receiver rooms already pretty crowded. I'm sure. No. I
Speaker 1: mean that's a good point unless they totally already get
Speaker 1: given up on Noah Brown. And you know, like maybe
Speaker 1: they have. I hope not. I doubt it. But we's
Speaker 1: been working out here every day. I mean, right, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't, and I hope to god they haven't given
Speaker 1: up on him. But they talk, they over and over
Speaker 1: again about competition, and I mean, Noah Brown's the seventh
Speaker 1: round pick. If you bring in a guy, may the
Speaker 1: best man win and you gotta let them go, I mean, right,
Speaker 1: seventh round pick. I mean so I could see that,
Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily think it makes sense because I mean,
Speaker 1: you've put so much work into Noah Brown, sure, and
Speaker 1: there's so much more that I'd like to see from
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer too, So I don't know why you're trying
Speaker 1: to get rid of one of those guy's jobs. And
Speaker 1: people remember Noah Brown was a richer sophomore and when
Speaker 1: he came out of Ohio State, you know, missed his
Speaker 1: entire year before with a leg injury. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: some untapped potential there. I say it all the time, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't just assume that a guy's going to develop
Speaker 1: Like this isn't Madden where in the offseason you just
Speaker 1: magically gained seven points on your rating, you know. But
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton, you have a guy that fits that role
Speaker 1: right here named Noah Brown. Yeah, so maybe take a
Speaker 1: look at what that guy's got. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think he looks impressive out there. Let me say this
Speaker 1: and then we got to go after this day. I
Speaker 1: feel like though this whole thing with Courtland Sutton, I
Speaker 1: think they know what Ridley is. I think they know
Speaker 1: what more is, right, I don't think and I mean
Speaker 1: this in a nice way. I don't mean this like
Speaker 1: that they're idiots over there. But I think they don't
Speaker 1: know what Courtland Sudden is. I don't think they know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's why again the visit the Personal
Speaker 1: WorkCare Week that a little bit. I think they know
Speaker 1: who he is. I don't. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: they know who he can be. Yeah that's fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they know what he can do right now, but what
Speaker 1: is he going to look like two years from now? Right?
Speaker 1: Like that that's the big question with Courtland. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the one guy that you'd have to probably do
Speaker 1: the most work on because of the system he came
Speaker 1: out of. That's what I don't want. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: bring me the ready made guy, Bring me the ready
Speaker 1: made player. All right, Thank you very much, David appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of time, so again we don't.
Speaker 1: This show kind of drifts and drifts and drifts. Hey,
Speaker 1: I feel like people like that. I think we again,
Speaker 1: we're never really on time. But I will stop wasting
Speaker 1: time and go for a little tell me more please,
Speaker 1: all right, We're just yeah, I'm gonna go wait quick,
Speaker 1: tell me more. Justin Lawler defensive end out of smu
Speaker 1: H didn't test really well. But the tape's not bad.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not dynamic and not gonna scream off
Speaker 1: the edge, but it looks to incorporate his hands, you know,
Speaker 1: it looks to be physical at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: I gave him a draftable grade, and I think people
Speaker 1: will get drafted. No, I think he will too. And
Speaker 1: I think these guys here like him. I really do Dallas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I matter back, matter of fact, I mocked him
Speaker 1: the last mock draft we did. I think put him
Speaker 1: in the sixth round when there's but got three of them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He You watch him play, Dan's right, he is really
Speaker 1: his hands are really really good. I mean he is
Speaker 1: a never stop guy, never stop. He's chasing the ball.
Speaker 1: He can get rid of blockers. He can go down
Speaker 1: the line, he can hit the gap quick. They play
Speaker 1: him inside at tackle. He can swim people he gets
Speaker 1: he's tall enough, long enough, rangy enough, he'll run down.
Speaker 1: I've saw it, like the I forgot who's watching with
Speaker 1: He gets the outside there the quarterbacks running to the outside,
Speaker 1: and I mean he just because of length, he effort,
Speaker 1: he dives, hits the guy's foot keeps him from getting
Speaker 1: around the corner to getting the first down. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of things to like. Plays both the right and
Speaker 1: the left side though, And I'll tell you what for
Speaker 1: a big, tall, rangy guy can get kind of small
Speaker 1: to rush the passers. Plays on special teams. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had six blocks kicks over his career. There's a lot
Speaker 1: to like about this kid, there, really really is. He's
Speaker 1: a Lawler, he's married with a daughter. So yeah, important,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be important. Yah, it's gonna be important late
Speaker 1: day three guy. Yeah. Yeah, And as I'm saying, Dallas
Speaker 1: has got those extra six round picks, don't be surprised
Speaker 1: if if late in the day. You know, as we're
Speaker 1: all kind of working through it, that Lawler is a
Speaker 1: guy from that that we've we've talked about him. Now.
Speaker 1: I am embarrassed that a current Cowboy has a brother
Speaker 1: in the draft, and I didn't know about it until
Speaker 1: right now. Looney, tell me more about cow defensive tackle
Speaker 1: James Looney, little brother of current guard Joe Looney, started
Speaker 1: his career at wake Forest, just like his brother, Just
Speaker 1: like his brother. Then when there's a coaching change, he
Speaker 1: decided to kind of do his own thing, went out
Speaker 1: to California. Um, you know, he figured worst. You know,
Speaker 1: football doesn't work out. He got Mike. He went from
Speaker 1: one really good smart school to another one. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Yeah. So with Looney, I don't what
Speaker 1: is he like, what position is? He's a pinball? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I've even talked to Joe about this and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I go, hey, I watched your brother on tape and
Speaker 1: he goes kind of all over the place Sisney, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I mean he's but yeah, you watch
Speaker 1: him and he bouncing off people. I don't know where
Speaker 1: the playmate tackle or playmot in. That's a sixty three
Speaker 1: two eighty seven. He's he thrashes around in there. He's
Speaker 1: like he's spinning around like he spins into a tackle.
Speaker 1: He's so active, but you want the people have a
Speaker 1: hard time blocking him initially because he's all elbows and
Speaker 1: knees and moving around. And Joe's like, Joe's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just he kinda he kind of he's a hard guy.
Speaker 1: Like I say, he goes a hard guy to block
Speaker 1: because he's just all over the place. There's not looks
Speaker 1: like smooth technique guy, hands, ripped crab. You know, he's
Speaker 1: not one of those guys. It's come off the ball
Speaker 1: as fast as you can and just disrupt as much
Speaker 1: as you can and then find the ball to go
Speaker 1: get it. But like Dane says, I don't know where
Speaker 1: to play him. I have him like as a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's will be like a three because you
Speaker 1: just say, okay, go up the field and just to
Speaker 1: be disruptive. Yeah. And also, while I do agree that
Speaker 1: you appreciate the motor, I think it just it hurts production,
Speaker 1: you know, like he doesn't. He's not a productive kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna make a lot of stops in the backfield.
Speaker 1: You like the motor, you like the hustle. Uh, he
Speaker 1: plays at the light feet, no question. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just he doesn't have a plan out there. No, you
Speaker 1: know it is it's go. It's like go as fast
Speaker 1: as you can and whatever happens, go until you hear
Speaker 1: glass break. I kind of know that's what he does.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. Yeah, he's a guy like
Speaker 1: that on your roster. Oh no, he'll end up going
Speaker 1: to the forty nine ers. This local guy. They'll keep
Speaker 1: him around. We're talking about here. I have him, und
Speaker 1: let him, let him be a Joey Ivy or a
Speaker 1: Jordan Carroll and coming he's better to me, like he's
Speaker 1: a better Joey Ivy. You know, I mean I watched
Speaker 1: Joey Ivy. I'm like, okay, but this guy, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like, whoa wait a minute, he's he's given USC problems.
Speaker 1: You know, he's UCLA can't blow the center or center
Speaker 1: Louie like Quisbery. He's like trying to block him. He
Speaker 1: really can't block him all that well. I mean, got
Speaker 1: one set of brothers on this team already. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: make it too Uh, this team has had some success
Speaker 1: drafting a guy out of a service academy before there
Speaker 1: you go, uh so not a quarterback, but tell me
Speaker 1: more about Army offensive tackle Brett Tough this and when
Speaker 1: we talk about the service academy, we have to talk
Speaker 1: about the military commit commitment and it's two years pay
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, and like this is something that it
Speaker 1: was enforced by President Trump that you know, you have
Speaker 1: to serve the two years. And he's fully on board
Speaker 1: with that. He sure I knew this when I signed up,
Speaker 1: so it's you know, he's not heartbroken about it. But
Speaker 1: the question for teams, Okay, do you invest a draft
Speaker 1: picking a guy who it's not only that he won't
Speaker 1: play until for two years, but you don't know what
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, obviously he'll be in good physical
Speaker 1: shape being in you know, in the army, but how
Speaker 1: much time we have working out will it be football shape? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, will be will have the bulk needed, will
Speaker 1: he Because he's a leaner guy. He started he was
Speaker 1: actually a tight end his first three years of high school.
Speaker 1: Sure moved the offensive tackle a senior year and I
Speaker 1: mean Clemson, they kind of gave him like a walk
Speaker 1: on opportunity this and that Army said we'll give you
Speaker 1: a full ride. Goes of the army. He was a
Speaker 1: big part of why army they rushed. They led the
Speaker 1: nation in rushing. Yeah that was five thousand rushing yards.
Speaker 1: Triple option baby. But that that's the other question, you know,
Speaker 1: because how many watching him on tape Senior Bowl stuff.
Speaker 1: It was a little it was a little bit shaky
Speaker 1: for him, but past protection and pass protection. But you
Speaker 1: watch this guy run, but he's never on the ground.
Speaker 1: Very balanced, very balance, I mean and and and and
Speaker 1: and Dames like a light footed guy, you know. But
Speaker 1: the thing of the senior Bowl kind of expect. He
Speaker 1: hasn't seen that kind of a rusher very consistently, So
Speaker 1: those guys came a little bit of problem. But I
Speaker 1: I the two year commitment is is big. But you
Speaker 1: don't bet against kids like that quit, you just don't.
Speaker 1: Bookkeeping question. Yeah, I believe like he's not in the
Speaker 1: league while he's on his military service. Right, they go,
Speaker 1: he's got a special reserve military cate his contract right, right,
Speaker 1: So he's not coming back only having two years under contract.
Speaker 1: You'd have four, right, I think that's what Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did that in Green Bay a lot. We drafted
Speaker 1: military kids and they went and served and then they'd
Speaker 1: come back. But Bob Kurbirski, if you ever from the Packers,
Speaker 1: he went to school to the Naval boy most impressed
Speaker 1: the thing. Real quick. He gets off the plane to
Speaker 1: me to pick him up. He's in his full whites like,
Speaker 1: and all he wanted to do was go to Taco
Speaker 1: bell and he just doesn't get to eat. Who doesn't
Speaker 1: sounds like a smart guy, but he but he But
Speaker 1: he got out that plane and I'm like, holy heck,
Speaker 1: this is what it's all about right there. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but those kids don't bet against him. He's he's an
Speaker 1: athlete that is going to have to you know, once
Speaker 1: it's up, you know, don't don't discount him. This is
Speaker 1: if you're the Cowboys and you hang on, say you
Speaker 1: have eight or nine picks, you know, you can't get
Speaker 1: rid of all of them the trades. This is the
Speaker 1: type of pick that absolutely unmaking in the late rounds.
Speaker 1: And he said, if they have a history here with
Speaker 1: if you look back with the defensive end to tackle
Speaker 1: Chad Hinnings, yeah, you know they they Bow Morgan I
Speaker 1: think was another one here. So yeah, they've had a
Speaker 1: little bit of history. I was thinking Roger Stobert would
Speaker 1: be the best one. Yeah, right now, we gotta get
Speaker 1: taco bell on the way out, dude, and I want
Speaker 1: to go. I'm gonna go put in like fifteen dollars Cobersky.
Speaker 1: Well that's all. He wanted to get me a case.
Speaker 1: And he kept the taco sauce off his whites, which
Speaker 1: was amazing. Yeah, you don't know anything, like you don't
Speaker 1: know how to stay. No, that is in my pocket
Speaker 1: and stuff. Speaking of history with schools, uh, I got
Speaker 1: a guy here out of Monmouth, Jason Garrett always likes Oh, Mama,
Speaker 1: Miles Austin at a Moodmouth University. Yeah, tell me about Mike.
Speaker 1: But spasili dancilly right, I think it's basil. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: it's New Jersey, So I was going for the Italian pronunciation.
Speaker 1: He watched him play, yeah, yeah, safety safety. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's funny because I've had his name down on
Speaker 1: my list for a while and I got around to him,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of weeks before the draft. Sure
Speaker 1: you watched him like in January. Uh, you remember you
Speaker 1: bringing him up, and he's a for your starter, sure
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, and what I he tested really well,
Speaker 1: which I kind of surprised me. Yeah, because he's he's
Speaker 1: a bigger guy, he's physical. I thought in coverage some
Speaker 1: guys would give him some problems. You just want him tackling,
Speaker 1: really what you want him doing exactly. He makes up
Speaker 1: for a lot of mistakes in the back end when
Speaker 1: things kind of start breaking down. He's always running over
Speaker 1: there making the tackle. He Uh he had a six
Speaker 1: sixty eight three cone yeah, which is rh nominal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's especially for a guy that's a safety who's
Speaker 1: just looks a little stiff. But he looks great in
Speaker 1: his testing. Yeah he again, here's okay, Jason Garrett understands
Speaker 1: at school in New Jersey and he has his background
Speaker 1: in his backyard and all that. So yeah, maybe not
Speaker 1: a draftable guy, but maybe a guy that you say, okay,
Speaker 1: they go make a priority free agent at him Alston.
Speaker 1: He comes in and he makes a team like Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath or you're having the practice squad or something like that.
Speaker 1: He's got the appetite needed to be special team. He
Speaker 1: wants to tackle every He makes every tackle, and you're
Speaker 1: watching the tape and you're like, going, he okay, here
Speaker 1: we go. Run the table. He makes the tackle, run
Speaker 1: the table. Yeah, it makes a tackle. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the school. You know. Any any slappy program can tell
Speaker 1: you about Calvin Calvin Ridley. Okay, like any dummy with
Speaker 1: a guidebook can tell you about Calvin Ridley. How about
Speaker 1: you a dummy. No, I'm saying stop, don't do that. Nope,
Speaker 1: not marrying. Many other programs can tell you about Mike
Speaker 1: Basille out of Monmouth, who's not gonna get drafted. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you though. He you watch the tape, he
Speaker 1: makes every single tack. You listen, to this show. Not
Speaker 1: only are you not going to be surprised by any
Speaker 1: of the drafts three Cone Again, you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: surprised by any of the priority free agency those guys
Speaker 1: give the first round at which they had that way
Speaker 1: were two numbers, six sixty eight his three cones and
Speaker 1: then four thirty three, which was a number of tackles
Speaker 1: he had in his career. Three let's go, yeah, Jeffy
Speaker 1: two point er, he's right, let's do it practice. He's
Speaker 1: gonna sign on for ten thousand dollars on the Sunday
Speaker 1: after the draft. Maybe maybe let's not. Brian's gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I better watch that one. Yeah you never watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta watch that. All right, David, They thank you
Speaker 1: so much. We appreciate it. There, we got yah. You
Speaker 1: gotta stick around and do a lit right back on
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