Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Friday, October the tenth. And yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there have been plenty of horror movies you've
Speaker 1: watched and thought, nah, that'll never happen to me. Well,
Speaker 1: this one just happened to me and Roeboch and welcome
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. As we continue
Speaker 1: on our horror hit list, as we count down to
Speaker 1: our favorite deep cut horror movies, some that you might
Speaker 1: not know about. These are some of our favorites and robes.
Speaker 1: This one is a heavy hitter on the list, and
Speaker 1: yes we'll explain our kind of connection to the story,
Speaker 1: but this is not a horror movie for the faint
Speaker 1: of heart.
Speaker 2: No it is not. It is very intense and graphic
Speaker 2: and blood curdling. I mean, I think that's the best
Speaker 2: way to describe it. This one stays with you, It
Speaker 2: haunts you, It makes you actually and if when you
Speaker 2: do move, if you move into a new home, you're
Speaker 2: probably gonna search the attic, some closets, maybe even the
Speaker 2: basement for anything that could have been left behind, because
Speaker 2: this movie speaks to that. And yes, we've recently moved.
Speaker 1: Or often, or you might you said, people are going
Speaker 1: to look and maybe into the basement and into the attic.
Speaker 1: I would argue that if you watch this movie, you're
Speaker 1: never going to step into a basement attic again and
Speaker 1: touch anything that looks like it has been there for a while.
Speaker 1: It's this is a wild ride, but this is one
Speaker 1: of our I mean, this guy's got to be a
Speaker 1: top five as far as an actor you enjoy watching.
Speaker 1: He's pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're talking about Ethan Hawk and the twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: movie Sinister and Man that is a good title for
Speaker 2: this movie because I actually felt my stomach in knots
Speaker 2: throughout this movie. You want to ski something well, but
Speaker 2: like there are people who are like, hell yeah, announce
Speaker 2: it strange like us who get into that kind of idea.
Speaker 2: We're wow, I've seen it all, I've watched it all.
Speaker 2: You're telling me that this movie is gonna make me
Speaker 2: actually feel something that strongly? I think that. Yes, the
Speaker 2: answer is yes. The runtime is an hour and forty
Speaker 2: nine minutes of sheer terror. By the way, rated R
Speaker 2: horror mystery thriller is the genre, but the synopsis is
Speaker 2: fascinating and as we mentioned, potentially real.
Speaker 1: Yes, so here you go. The movie is about true
Speaker 1: crime writer Ellison Oswald he's in a slump. He hasn't
Speaker 1: had a best seller in more than ten years and
Speaker 1: is becoming increasingly desperate for a hit. So when he
Speaker 1: discovers the existence of a snuff film showing the deaths
Speaker 1: of a family to solve the mystery, he moves his
Speaker 1: own family into the victim's home and gets to work. However,
Speaker 1: when old film footage and other clues hint at the
Speaker 1: presence of a supernatural force, Ellison learns that living in
Speaker 1: the house may be fatal.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, what could possibly go wrong? Let me move
Speaker 2: my family into a murdered family's home so I can
Speaker 2: write about it, but not tell my family that we're
Speaker 2: moving into that family's home. That was immediate tension that
Speaker 2: starts from the beginning of the movie, because you're like,
Speaker 2: does his wife know that he's moving them to this home?
Speaker 1: We watched this recently and I asked you several times,
Speaker 1: does she know yet?
Speaker 2: Not yet? Not yet? But you know, this was a
Speaker 2: huge success at the box office. The budget was just
Speaker 2: three million dollars to make the box office total eighty
Speaker 2: seven point seven millions, so a juggernaut of a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Especially I think back in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Now, the cast we mentioned, like Ethan Hawke is I
Speaker 1: think he gets credit for how good of an actor.
Speaker 2: He's amazing.
Speaker 1: He is just so believable at this everyman quality of him.
Speaker 1: You're rooting for him, and he always looks like he's
Speaker 1: a little bit of pain. There's a motion to him alway.
Speaker 1: I love Ethan Hawk but Fred Thompson, yes, Senator Ye,
Speaker 1: he's in the movie, OK, Tennessee has a He's not
Speaker 1: in there a lot, but he has a huge impact
Speaker 1: when he's in there. Vincent Dinafrio, all of which he
Speaker 1: was SVU for a while, Yes, Law and Order, Yes.
Speaker 1: And then Claire Foley, who is powerful in her role
Speaker 1: as well. Scott Derekson. I don't know his previous work,
Speaker 1: but that's the director of this film. Rotten Tomatoes. I
Speaker 1: was surprised to see this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it only got sixty four percent and the audience
Speaker 2: score just at sixty two percent, And it was interesting.
Speaker 2: They put together all the critic critics from all over
Speaker 2: and they call it the critic consensus. I actually was
Speaker 2: a little confused by this a little bit, but because
Speaker 2: it seems like it's a good critic synopsis, although the
Speaker 2: score is less than what you would anticipate for a
Speaker 2: movie like this. So here's what it reads. It's plot
Speaker 2: hinges on typically implausible horror movie behavior. Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: screaming at the at the TV a couple times at
Speaker 2: the Ethan Hawk character like, get out, you idiot? Why
Speaker 2: are you keep why do you keep watching that? Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's plot hinges on typically implausible horror movie behavior. But
Speaker 2: we love that and recycles countless genre cliches, but Sinister
Speaker 2: delivers a surprising number of fresh diabolical twists.
Speaker 1: This is a jumpy one, this one. There are some
Speaker 1: moments you have that surround sound up in the house.
Speaker 1: It's going to mess with you.
Speaker 2: So we've watched this movie several times. We rewatched it
Speaker 2: just before recording this, and I was embarrassed how many
Speaker 2: times I jumped, even though I knew it was coming,
Speaker 2: even though I knew something was about to happen, and
Speaker 2: still I jumped.
Speaker 1: And it's not the jumps where the monster jumps out
Speaker 1: and attacks and violence ensues. It's creepy stuff, just even
Speaker 1: something falling with a loud noise accompanying it, or a
Speaker 1: face that shows up, or a person that shows it's
Speaker 1: surprising moments you aren't expecting and they throw you off
Speaker 1: by giving you an image you weren't ready for.
Speaker 2: We both mentioned how good the music is in this
Speaker 2: particular film. The music is so good at building tension,
Speaker 2: at creating some of the suspense. The audio track in
Speaker 2: this film is just as effective as the visual. I
Speaker 2: think in this one particularly, it was of note because
Speaker 2: that was contributing significantly to my level of tension and
Speaker 2: terror throughout all of it. But it's visually also incredibly scary.
Speaker 2: So we've got some critic reviews, and these are always interesting,
Speaker 2: and I always like to either feel validated or outrage
Speaker 2: at what the critics say. But most of them were
Speaker 2: pretty good. I got a bad one in here. But
Speaker 2: this is a slow build type of horror film where
Speaker 2: most of the audience can see the endgame long before
Speaker 2: the characters in the film, thus the screaming at the TV.
Speaker 2: Even so, it's well crafted piece of work with some
Speaker 2: genuinely scary moments.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a GIF. They said, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's predictable.
Speaker 2: I did not predict the end.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's predictable.
Speaker 2: I did not predict the ending at all, So I
Speaker 2: guess someone who maybe thinks they know more or maybe
Speaker 2: does no more, actually was able to predict it. I
Speaker 2: thought this one was good to an interesting beast that
Speaker 2: combines both classic and modern scares to create a film
Speaker 2: that should have you whimpering in your seat by the end.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's uh, it grabs you and it won't let go.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of moments of relief in this movie,
Speaker 1: even when it's not. You're not worry about the whatever, supernatural,
Speaker 1: whatever thing is out there, even the moments with his wife, like,
Speaker 1: there are some tense fights that are uncomfortable, and so
Speaker 1: tension is there throughout. You get no relief, There is
Speaker 1: no joy.
Speaker 2: The only relief is from the sweet deputy who helps
Speaker 2: Ethan Hawke in his investigation. And that was almost It
Speaker 2: was so needed. There was this lighter, cute moments that
Speaker 2: he created that we appreciated.
Speaker 1: And you know what he was and a lot of
Speaker 1: times was common sense. He was all of us like
Speaker 1: he was our guy, because thank you for telling.
Speaker 2: Him that, yes he's lost in his artistic writer world
Speaker 2: and can't see truth from fiction, but this guy really,
Speaker 2: like I did appreciate that character. I do want to
Speaker 2: read an ouch one because I again I actually felt
Speaker 2: outraged by this critique. This critic writes cheapened scare sequences,
Speaker 2: an ambiguous monstrous myth, transparent characterizations, and a mixed bag
Speaker 2: of a supernatural storyline barely put any sinister thoughts in
Speaker 2: our heads worth contemplating. That is offensive if that's.
Speaker 1: Your opinion, and this is what they are. These are opinions,
Speaker 1: and I guess these are professional. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's a professional critic or not, but people have their opinions.
Speaker 2: Those that was a professional critic, by the way, I
Speaker 2: mean whatever that is, but yes, was labeled as an
Speaker 2: official critic. Now there was a recent one. Again, I
Speaker 2: love these because I do feel like some of these
Speaker 2: movies that we have on our list, who weren't appreciated
Speaker 2: at the time, have garnered more appreciation as time goes by.
Speaker 2: So this recent one, just this past year, I liked this.
Speaker 2: I can see why people like this movie and keep
Speaker 2: bringing it up to us. It has it's got a
Speaker 2: distinctive dark tone while still being very approachable for mainstream audiences.
Speaker 2: It's like if the Crow had a baby with the
Speaker 2: Nun from the conjuring.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Okay.
Speaker 2: All right, the audience reviews I think are some of
Speaker 2: the most fun ones because these are real people like us,
Speaker 2: and most of them that I saw. There were some
Speaker 2: of them were like whatever, dismissive of it, but these
Speaker 2: were some of the ones that I really liked. Honestly,
Speaker 2: this is one of the scariest movies ever. It's not
Speaker 2: like The Exorcist or Hereditary, for example, but a total
Speaker 2: different kind of horror movie. Yet it's super scary. And
Speaker 2: I use horror movies to sleep on sometimes as the
Speaker 2: background same, so I'm not easily scared. But this one
Speaker 2: is scary. The score, the atmosphere, the subject matter, the cinematography,
Speaker 2: and of course one of my favorite actors, Ethan Hawk,
Speaker 2: are just perfect.
Speaker 1: No, we didn't necessarily mention, but she brings it up.
Speaker 1: An element that makes this particularly scary is the fact
Speaker 1: that it's kind of a found footage movie and he's
Speaker 1: going through this old eight millimeter film.
Speaker 2: Something about that is hearing that the hum of the Yes,
Speaker 2: uh okay, someone else wrote this is one of the
Speaker 2: most creepy, disturbing movies I've ever seen. That's totally unbrand
Speaker 2: And then here's another one. This is hands down one
Speaker 2: of these scariest movies I've ever seen. It gave me
Speaker 2: the same nightmarish feelings as the original Nightmare on Elm Street.
Speaker 2: Worth a watch. Spoiler alert. Once you've seen some parts
Speaker 2: of this movie, you can never unsee them, so agree
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some images. Haunting is a good way
Speaker 1: to put it. There are some haunting images in.
Speaker 2: There, disturbing, haunting, scary. This is scary like our last
Speaker 2: movie Lake Placid. Not that scary. We thought we'd do
Speaker 2: a complete about face and go really really scary with Sinister.
Speaker 2: So why it made our list? Yes, that's it. It's
Speaker 2: one of the scariest and creepiest movies we have ever seen.
Speaker 1: And you this, Yes, this is one where this is
Speaker 1: an event. This is an event for you to sit
Speaker 1: and enjoy and be prepared. Always say we've been talking
Speaker 1: about through this series, people watch other movies, you experience
Speaker 1: a horror movie, and this one hits everything. The sound,
Speaker 1: the sight, Your heart rate's gonna go up. You are
Speaker 1: immersed in this.
Speaker 2: Movie, and you're not just under threat when you're watching
Speaker 2: this movie, you're imagining your entire family. Isn't the threat,
Speaker 2: and that's what makes it so scary. This isn't just
Speaker 2: about you facing evil. This is about you placing evil
Speaker 2: in the home, or you putting your family in harms
Speaker 2: a way that is part of the scariness of this movie. Now,
Speaker 2: when we come back, we're gonna tell you about our
Speaker 2: own Sinister experience, and then we'll talk about who it's for,
Speaker 2: who it's not for, what you should pair it with,
Speaker 2: and of course give you a tease for the next
Speaker 2: movie on our list, And we continue with number twenty
Speaker 2: two on our list, Schonder, keep counting there. Sinister one
Speaker 2: of these scariest movies we have ever seen in our lives.
Speaker 2: And it just came top of mind to us as
Speaker 2: we just moved a few weeks ago. I ended up
Speaker 2: being away and you ended up sending me a text
Speaker 2: about something you found buried deep in a closet.
Speaker 1: So the uh, yes, we were talking about Sinister. The
Speaker 1: whole premise of the movie, he moves his family to
Speaker 1: this home where these horrific murders took place, and then
Speaker 1: he finds all this stuff, this old Super eight film
Speaker 1: in the basement, and he starts going through it, and
Speaker 1: some disturbing stuff is on all this film. Obviously Robes
Speaker 1: and I we've been familiar with this movie four years years,
Speaker 1: so that's always in the back. We're just aware of that. So, yes,
Speaker 1: we moved not too terribly long ago, and you did
Speaker 1: not spend well, we didn't spend the first month almost
Speaker 1: in the apartment together because you were traveling. Then we
Speaker 1: were traveling fine, but one of those weekends where I'm
Speaker 1: getting everything settled in, we have a storage closet and
Speaker 1: the top shell, I mean the high ceilings, but the
Speaker 1: top shelf and in the very very back, like tucked away.
Speaker 1: How would you describe that box. It's a metal It's
Speaker 1: almost a thin toolbox, is.
Speaker 2: How it's It looks like a metal, thin baby blue toolbox,
Speaker 2: and just by the color and materials used, you can
Speaker 2: tell it's old. It was in good condition, but it
Speaker 2: looked like it was from something from the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: And so I only discovered I couldn't see it from
Speaker 1: where it was because it was just so far up high.
Speaker 1: But I was trying to put another box up there
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't go all the way in, so I
Speaker 1: had to go get a ladder and see what it was,
Speaker 1: and sure enough it was that. Now I am trying
Speaker 1: to look up. I'm trying to remember what my messages
Speaker 1: were to you at the time that this happened, because
Speaker 1: it freaked me out terribly. I opened this box, and
Speaker 1: there are perfectly organized in their slides, these picture slides,
Speaker 1: and these things are some of them labeled with years
Speaker 1: on them in nineteen, I think fifties and nineteen sixties.
Speaker 1: And I held a few of them up to the
Speaker 1: light and it looked like they were images of art,
Speaker 1: like works of art. But then there were others that
Speaker 1: you saw images of people. And I got through about
Speaker 1: at least five of them, and I said, hell, no,
Speaker 1: I'm done.
Speaker 2: They were scary, are they or because of the movie?
Speaker 1: No, we're freaking out.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Okay, I've got it. Okay, you just
Speaker 2: wrote yeah, I've got it all. Okay, here you go.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read this, Okay.
Speaker 1: So, yes, this is me. I'm home alone in a
Speaker 1: home that hasn't been necessarily filled in yet. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of space. So I was freaking out a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, Babe. I found some creepy horror movie shit in
Speaker 2: the house legitimately spooked me. Then you took a picture
Speaker 2: of the box. That box was on the very top
Speaker 2: shelf and tucked in the very back of the shelf.
Speaker 2: Thought it might be a little toolkit. But it's filled
Speaker 2: with picture slides. Yes, old ass picture slides of various things.
Speaker 2: I stopped looking after holding a few up to the light.
Speaker 2: I'm talking one hundred and fifty plus slides with the
Speaker 2: picture is perfectly organized. Then you send me a picture
Speaker 2: of a man standing with his shadow behind him, and
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't want to say weird, but a
Speaker 2: weird looking woman behind him, standing in an awkward thing
Speaker 2: with a weird shadow behind her. It's black and white,
Speaker 2: it's from the nineteen it is actually it says spring
Speaker 2: Training nineteen sixty five, And that sounds so much like
Speaker 2: Sinister because it's like sleepy time, oh party with the date,
Speaker 2: so it's like literally labeled the same way Sinister is.
Speaker 2: And it's like this man standing in like perfect formation
Speaker 2: with just like trunks on. It's weird. It looks like
Speaker 2: it's by a pool. So I said, holy shit, it's
Speaker 2: like that Ethan Hawk movie that is so scary and
Speaker 2: cool all at the same time. You right back, is
Speaker 2: it okay? That recursing here creepy is fun. I want
Speaker 2: to throw them out, but I might get cursed. Oh god,
Speaker 2: that's what you said, he said, Yeah, you were just
Speaker 2: like And then I started zooming in on the pictures.
Speaker 2: We I don't know. We can't probably put them online
Speaker 2: because there's someone else's photographs, But if I can, please
Speaker 2: tell you that these are the scariest photos I have
Speaker 2: ever seen of people, I said, and I said, the
Speaker 2: guy looks like Patrick Wilson he did in the movie. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it was so scary.
Speaker 1: Anybody else might have found those and thought nothing of
Speaker 1: it because they haven't seen Sinister and they're not horror
Speaker 1: movie freaks. We found the box, immediately think about Sinister
Speaker 1: and say one picture is from the guy who was
Speaker 1: enconjuring it.
Speaker 2: True though, Okay, we have to find out who the
Speaker 2: owners of these are because I would love to actually
Speaker 2: just put If you guys saw these photos, I'm telling
Speaker 2: you there's no one who wouldn't be freaked out. Even
Speaker 2: if you hadn't seen the movie Sinister, they would still
Speaker 2: be creepy people. Okay, it might just be degree, all right,
Speaker 2: So this movie is for anyone who wants to be scared. Shitless.
Speaker 2: Bottom line, you also have to be okay with entire
Speaker 2: families being murdered. If you're not on board with that
Speaker 2: in a horror movie, you should not watch this movie.
Speaker 2: So yes, who it's not for anyone who can't handle that,
Speaker 2: who doesn't like a lot of dread and foreboding, because
Speaker 2: that's a huge part of this movie. And it's just
Speaker 2: you have to have a tough stomach, and we have
Speaker 2: we should say ropes because a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people hear everything you just described, Like, why would
Speaker 1: anybody appreciate want to see in God forbid enjoy a
Speaker 1: movie like that? Well, because it is a movie experience.
Speaker 1: You see obviously great acting, but there's great storytelling throughout.
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's a great shot, it's a great music,
Speaker 1: and it's shot in a cool way. It is a
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it is a fun experience. You will enjoy
Speaker 1: watching this movie.
Speaker 2: If you like that kind of thing, it should be
Speaker 2: a caveat. We need that caveat.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a family I know.
Speaker 2: God, no, it's not. I would say that the other
Speaker 2: thing just to try and defend our like of this movie,
Speaker 2: because once you see it, you probably will judge us.
Speaker 2: If you aren't into that, but there's so much awful
Speaker 2: stuff that's going on in the world. It's it's a
Speaker 2: form of escapism, and this might it just it's so
Speaker 2: absurdly awful and supernatural too that you feel like it's
Speaker 2: a departure from actual issues. But it could cut too
Speaker 2: close for home for people. I just want to put
Speaker 2: that warning out there. It is. It is a tough watch,
Speaker 2: you know, and.
Speaker 1: It does well for us. It's a wonderful watch, right
Speaker 1: because this is what I want to be scared.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We have a difficult time sometimes getting scared and horrible
Speaker 1: because we've seen so much. We know what's coming this
Speaker 1: it's fun to.
Speaker 2: Be scared, yes, so I guess it will. And in
Speaker 2: terms of food drink pairing, I'm gonna go ahead and say,
Speaker 2: have drinks before, have dinner before. I don't think that
Speaker 2: this is appetite inducing. This movie is really tough, not
Speaker 2: because it's so gory, but because the material is so
Speaker 2: dark and sinister. So I would just if you're gonna
Speaker 2: have snacks or drinks, just keep them non acidic. That's
Speaker 2: what I would say. You don't want to contribute to
Speaker 2: the bubbles. You're already gonna feel in your gut watching
Speaker 2: this movie. That's just my two cents on this one.
Speaker 2: So enjoy with all of that praise. All right, Our next,
Speaker 2: our next movie, we want to go, Oh wait, where
Speaker 2: can we watch this? We watched Sinister where I didn't
Speaker 2: put that in there. I think you can watch it, Okay,
Speaker 2: Hulu you can watch it, and Amazon Prime. You have
Speaker 2: to have a subscription to either Disney Plus, but you
Speaker 2: can always obviously all of these you can get on
Speaker 2: Apple tv Vandego at home. But if you want to
Speaker 2: get it for free O two B and if you
Speaker 2: have a Disney Plus subscription of Hulu subscription, or if
Speaker 2: you have an add on to Amazon Prime. So just
Speaker 2: so you know, that's where you can watch it if
Speaker 2: you want to be scared to death. Our next episode
Speaker 2: is a movie that has one of our all time
Speaker 2: face favorite horror movie actors in it, right, and I
Speaker 2: believe the first ten minutes will hook you for the
Speaker 2: entire movie.
Speaker 1: That's a good, good.
Speaker 2: Tease, all right, And with that, thank you for listening
Speaker 2: to this episode of Amy and TJ. I'm Amy Robot
Speaker 2: alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon