1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, Armstrong and 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Jetty and No Key. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty. 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: You can call it skiing, you can call it snowboarding, 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: you can call it Bob's letting, the skeleton, the luge. 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: But what me must all admit is that most of 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 3: the Olympics is just one sport, different ways to fall 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 3: down a hill. 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: So Mark Zuckerberg is about to take the stand in 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: the social media addiction trial. It's going to be pretty interesting. 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: I find this trial fascinating on a bunch of different levels, 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: and I'm a little worried about what's going to come 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: out of it. Not that I like Mark Zuckerberg and 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 1: Facebook or Google, Snapchat and TikTok both settled out of court, 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: and they might be two of the worst offenders at all. 17 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Of the stuff that Google and Meta are being accused of. 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: At least, Meta's not like horring for the communist Chinese 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: right as far as I know. 20 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: And Snapchat, at least it's not like Snapchat, which seems 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: to be designed completely to hide bad activity from your 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: parents and teachers. 23 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: Seems like the whole plan of the thing to compel 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: children to log on every day and do bad stuff. Yes, 25 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: that can't be you know, kept track of that's their 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: business model, yes, which is horrifying. 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: So a couple of things around this. We talked about 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: this ear an hour one. If you want a more 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: detailed rundown of the core case, it's pretty damned interesting. 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: You can get the podcast Armstrong and get you on demand. 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: It's all about this girl, Kaylee. She was a girl 32 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: of time, starting at age six looking at YouTube videos. 33 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Then by nine she's really into Instagram. Hold on, I'm 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: about to sneeze. 35 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: Oh, oh's the coronavirus. It's back cat, it's a measles. Oh, 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 2: there you go. 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: So this is the way the whole court system works. 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: You have to have a particular person with standing who 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: sues and then develop laws out of that. This doesn't 40 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: seem like the best test case to me, because why 41 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: the heck this mom was letting her six year old 42 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: stare endlessly at YouTube and then blaming YouTube for the 43 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: kid spending too much time looking at YouTube. I don't 44 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: quite get that, which is what Zuckerberg's lawyers are going 45 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: to argue, and Google's argue. Lawyers are going to argue, 46 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: but they do have some statistics that they had internally. 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: Should they be on the hook for this, for instance, 48 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: the thirteen point five percent statistic, which is going to 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: be a big portion of the trial. One of the 50 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: most leaked internal studies from I think this one was 51 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: from Meta Uh yeah, because it's Instagram noted that thirteen 52 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: point five percent of teen girls said Instagram make thoughts 53 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: of suicide worse, and seventeen percent said it made eating 54 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: disorders worse. If looking at lots of pictures of other 55 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: people having a good time makes you suicidal, is that 56 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: Instagram's fault. If looking at really pretty people make you 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: feel like you're fat, is that Instagram's fault. 58 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, No, no, As I said, and I stand 59 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: ready to be talked out of this stance. People need 60 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: to know that these companies are evil. They not only 61 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: do not have your well being in mind, they couldn't 62 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: give a crap, And if they find out their platforms 63 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: are doing terrible, terrible damage, they will continue doing what 64 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: they're doing because all I care about is the almighty buck. 65 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: They are evil, They are bad for you. 66 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: You've got these internal texts and emails from people at Instagram, 67 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: one person saying, oh my gosh, y'all ig is a drug. 68 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: Lol. 69 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: I mean all social media were basically pushers. That just 70 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: seems like a flip and comment to me. But you 71 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: know how how it will land in the trial. I 72 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: don't know this one's more damaging. In twenty sixteen, an 73 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: email from Zuckerberg himself regarding the launch of Facebook Live 74 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: show to focus on keeping parents out of the loop. 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: Quote if we tell teens parents about their live videos, 76 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: that will probably ruin the product from the start. Will 77 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: need to be very good about not notifying parents, teachers. 78 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 79 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: Lawyers argue this proves a growth at all cost mindset 80 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: that prioritize teen engagement over parental oversight. 81 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: You shouldn't tell your mommy and daddy what we're doing 82 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: here today. They wouldn't understand is that. 83 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: A crime makes it's a bad it makes you, it's 84 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: a you know, it's a bad look, it's a bad 85 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: thing to do. But now it's a crime. I don't 86 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: know if figure not allowed to do that right. 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 2: There's just so much plausible deniability about every single one 88 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: of these claims, which is why I don't want it 89 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: tried in the court of court. I want it, you know, 90 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: tried in the court of what's good for me and 91 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: what's bad for me. And you know, it's interesting it 92 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: occurs to me. And this is a theme we used 93 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: to talk about a fair amount. It's now gone so 94 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: far I don't think people notice anymore. We have gone 95 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: from a society in which the authorities were involved only 96 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: on rare occasions when they had to be, to a 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: society where everybody expects the quote unquote authorities to run 98 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: everything all the time, to adjudicate every dispute, to settle 99 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: every fight, to protect us from every conceivable ill. I 100 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: remember we used to talk about people were beginning to think, 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: if it's not illegal, it must be good. 102 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: Lawsuit seeks to hold social media companies for mental health 103 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: of teen So there are tens, maybe hundreds of millions, 104 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe billions of dollars at stake. So Zuckerberg and Google's 105 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: lawyers are going to fight back really hard, including going 106 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: after this mom as being a bad parent. That's one 107 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: of the strategies. And for good reason, because you got 108 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: the whole little kid was looking at YouTube videos for 109 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: nine hours. Is that Zuckerberg's fault? Or at age Google's 110 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: fault or nine or whatever age she was, and then 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: the high mark was sixteen point sixteen and a half hours. 112 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: The kid said was looking at YouTube videos when when 113 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: she was sixteen. 114 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: I think. 115 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: Your kids alone with the computer or whatever for sixteen 116 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: and a half hours. 117 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. So when Judy was pregnant with our 118 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: first kid, Kate got crazy and new studying neuro neurological 119 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: development in pre natal and little kids, infants, toddlers, et cetera, 120 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: which led to an interest in just a layman's interest 121 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: in neurological development throughout your life, including the fact that, 122 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: especially males, the I better not center of your brain 123 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: really doesn't form up and get finished until varies age 124 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: twenty three to twenty nine, and the sweet spots you know, 125 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 2: probably twenty four to twenty seven for most males, which 126 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: is why soldiers are generally in their late teens early twenties. 127 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: When the study comes out that shows how this stuff 128 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: ruins people's brains when they're young, when they're kids, will 129 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: anybody even hear those studies or pay attention to them? 130 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: How about ruins people's brains when they're fifty? 131 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: Well? Right, imagine what it does to an eleven year old. 132 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: I got my first smartphone when I was forty six 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: and ruined my brain. This is the most interesting thing 134 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: out of it. Mentioned this earlier, bringing up again for 135 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: discussion internal notes, And this is the idea that things 136 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: like the infinite scroll, like you could just keep scrolling 137 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: through stuff without end AutoPlay variable rewards like likes and 138 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: notifications are being engineered like digital casinos to you know, 139 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: give us dopamine hits in our brain. I don't see 140 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: how the infinite scroll can possibly be against the law. 141 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: We're wrong, It's just making your product available. But anyway, 142 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: one employee noted in an internal note that quote, people 143 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: are binging on Instagram so much they can't feel the 144 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: reward anymore, suggesting that users were becoming desensitized but remained 145 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: unable to stop. They go on to include that normal 146 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: things and I had never heard or thought about this 147 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: one before. And I've thought about this a lot, but 148 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: this one I'd never thought about before. That I'm not 149 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: getting the normal dopamine hit from normal stuff anymore. Right, 150 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: I had never thought about that before. If that's true, 151 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: that's horrifying. 152 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: It is horrifying, and might be that legal hook I've 153 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: been saying there isn't uh, but not only that, how 154 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: much like alcoholism or drug addiction is that I don't 155 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: care about anything but drinking anymore. All I think about 156 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: is getting my next drink. I don't feel my wife's love, 157 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: my kid's birthday party doesn't delight me. I'm just thinking 158 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: about drinking. 159 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that I can point to this as 160 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: being true for me. I don't know. Maybe you wouldn't know, 161 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: but I don't feel like I enjoy babies, laughs, sunsets. 162 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what else do you like? Sex, whatever 163 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: else trips your trigger. I don't watch it like that one. 164 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: I don't know that if I'm getting any less enjoyment 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: out of any of those things that I ever did before, 166 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: I do. Obviously, we all know we get a dopamine 167 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: hit from things on our phone or this or that, 168 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: or a new video showed up. Honest, one's got to 169 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: be better. I've just watched one hundred in a row 170 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: that were meth, but this one's gonna be great. We 171 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: all know that feeling, but I don't know if it's 172 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: ruined other stuff for me. I think it has to 173 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: some extent. Because I don't have the patience. 174 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: Dopamine hits used to come at, you know, intervals of whatever. 175 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: It was three an hour, I don't know, or three 176 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: a day. Now it's three every minute. I think if 177 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: you don't have that, you freaking I think I'm addicted 178 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: to the dopamine hit. I don't know that I got 179 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: dopamine hits from reading literature. That's the example that I 180 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: always use. It's hard for me to pick up a 181 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: long form book and read it. I have to really 182 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: make myself do it and get in the groove. I 183 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: don't know if I ever got dopamine hits from it, 184 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: but I enjoyed it. I don't think I got the 185 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: pleasure bursts. 186 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: But it's harder to enjoy now because of what you said. 187 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: The pace. I just am what I'm gonna I'm just 188 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: gonna take in something that's like deeply meaningful and enjoyment 189 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: on a deeper level with none of the little spikes. 190 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: Right, and you find yourself wanting to reach for your phone. 191 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I do this at least once a day, probably 192 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: where I sit down and thak, okay, I'm going to 193 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: get in a little reading. Just check my phone real quick. 194 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: Almost never end up reading horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. 195 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: Right. 196 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: I hate that about myself. I really hate it more 197 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: for my kids. I'm in the winter of my life. 198 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: My life's over. I got no use for this. 199 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 2: Nature wants you out of the way. It's clear. 200 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when my kids aren't out of the house yet, 201 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: but very soon, Nature will have no use for me. 202 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: Clock'sticking in short. 203 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: But for them, the fact that they can get no 204 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: enjoyment out of like deeper satisfaction stuff really bothers me. 205 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, it'll be interesting to see how this strong, 206 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: what's what could come out of this that would have 207 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: any effect on anything? Just then outlawing them, a. 208 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: Greater awareness of how evil these companies are. That's that's 209 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: the best we can hope for. Sorry, I think it 210 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: is the no dopamine hit from me. 211 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: I think we're not gonna We're not gonna tell Instagram 212 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: you can't have infinite scroll. You can give people ten videos, 213 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: but then you gotta stop. 214 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 2: No, we're not Europe. We don't want to be that. 215 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: And there needs to be at least a two hour 216 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: break before they're allowed to come back on the platform. 217 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: And scroll the next ten videos come on. It might 218 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: be good for us, but gotta be self imposed, folks, 219 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: any thoughts on this. It's interesting there are two thousand 220 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: cases at least that they think are hinging on how 221 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: this turns out. Text line is four one, five, two 222 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: nine five kftc Ooh, they're doing the ski and shoot 223 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: right now. They just skied really fast and then laid 224 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: down and started shooting the targets, and then they jump 225 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: up and start skiing again. 226 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: It's the biathlon for people who go both ways. 227 00:12:58,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: Good sport. 228 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Coming up, speaking of the Olympics, we have a 229 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: candidate for who to hate at the Olympics, maybe more 230 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: loathsome than Eileen Goo Wow the American girls. Who's skiing 231 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: for the communist Chinese crator? Who do you hate the most? 232 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 2: Stay with us first though, this is a shocking story 233 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: from the folks at the Free Press. I remember back 234 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: a number of years ago when people were talking about 235 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: how socialism works. Look at the Scandinavian countries. Nobody wants 236 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: to talk about culture. I we would make the point 237 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: that these are monochromatic, homogenous countries. They're all like the 238 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: same ethnicity, the same religion, they see the world the same. 239 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 2: They have similar world philosophies. Everybody knows everybody's cousin, and 240 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: so getting people to adhere to a set of norms 241 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: is much much easier than a big, giant, diverse country. 242 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: It won't work in a country like ours. Well, Sweden 243 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: has imported a ton of immigrants, like a lot of year, 244 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: they've just flown here, there and everywhere, and they're having 245 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: some serious problems. We'll start with sixty five. 246 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 4: Last year, Sweden saw almost two hundred bombings, more than 247 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 4: any other country in Europe. But it's not because of terrorism. 248 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: It's because of the country's immigrant crime wave. Swedish police 249 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: recorded one hundred and eighty nine explosive attacks in twenty 250 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 4: twenty five, up thirty nine percent in just one year 251 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 4: and more than double the number seen seven years ago. 252 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: January twenty twenty five alone saw around thirty blasts, which 253 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 4: is basically one explosion every day, and even their Prime 254 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: minister was forced to admit that the state had lost 255 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 4: control of organized crime violence. 256 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: An explosion a day in a country that size, right, 257 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: that's the weapon of choice of the gangs. 258 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: Now, apparently, let's hear more so, what's going on. 259 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: According to former Swedish police commissioner and As Thornberg, there 260 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 4: is no international equivalent to Sweden's wave of bomb attacks. 261 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: These aren't terror incidents. They're targeted attacks in residential neighborhoods, 262 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: carried out as part of gang feuds. For twenty seventeen, 263 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: Sweden didn't even track bombings as a proper criminal category 264 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 4: because it simply wasn't a thing. Crime got so bad 265 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: that in twenty nineteen Denmark impost border checks on Sweden 266 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: for the first time since the nineteen fifties because of 267 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: spillover fears from gang violence. 268 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: From a statistic they didn't even keep in twenty seventeen 269 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: to one a day Sweden. 270 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: There's ten million people. That's it. They have thirty bombings 271 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: a month. 272 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: Let's hear more. 273 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 4: And here's the uncomfortable part that Swedish leaders themselves now 274 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: acknowledge this crisis is tightly linked to immigration and failed integration. 275 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 4: Sweden's foreign born population has doubled in just two decades, 276 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 4: and both conservative and Social democratic governments now openly say 277 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: segregation created what they call parallel societies living in different realities. 278 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 4: Crime data shows people born abroad or born in Sweden 279 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 4: to two foreign parents are massively overrepresented among suspects in 280 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: serious violent crime in Stockholm. One investigation found forty one 281 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: percent of gang criminals or foreign born, and eighty two 282 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 4: percent had two foreign born parents. Many from countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, 283 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 4: Iraq and across North Africa and the Middle East, and 284 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 4: gangs are exploiting the unemployment and social exclusioncentrated in those 285 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 4: same community. 286 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: Shocking one more. 287 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: Clip, police chief patro Land says gangs are now recruiting 288 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 4: kids as young as twelve who apps like telegram, hiring 289 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: them for bombings and murders as if they have gig jobs, 290 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 4: often directed by gang leaders operating safely from abroad. Some 291 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: of the groups have become so powerful that even the 292 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: US Treasury sanctioned them, warning that they routinely use teenagers 293 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 4: for attacks and operate across Europe. Sweden built a generous, 294 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 4: open society, but it took in more people than it 295 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 4: could realistically integrate, and gangs filled the gap. Now the 296 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 4: whole country is living with the consequences. 297 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: I don't understand why people don't aren't able to predict 298 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: the results of these things. 299 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: Boy, how true? Well, I don't want to be a racist, 300 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: they would say, it's just a blind spot humanity has. 301 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: I don't know what to do about it except to 302 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: keep saying what we're saying. Culture matters. It matters more 303 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: than almost anything. We have a culture, Western culture. AOC 304 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: used the thing Air quotes Western culture the other day. 305 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: Of course, she's a stupid communist to quote. Was it 306 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: Charles c del you Cook or whoever was anyway? Who 307 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: to hate at the Olympics coming up? 308 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: The plenty of hate Armstrong and Geeddy. What are the 309 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: chicks were supposed to root for tonight? Called the ice 310 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: babes or ice blades or the babe what's the name? 311 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: I will I will not call them anything but their names, 312 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: because I'm not an idiot. 313 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: Yes, Katie, there the blade, not down, blade babes or 314 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: forget it. 315 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 2: Nope, we're not helping you out. 316 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: Ever, since Ilian fell on his head, they got to 317 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: get a new thing going. And I got these three 318 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: cute skaters that are trying to get going. 319 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: Here's the thing for you. She is beautiful, she's Betrader 320 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: country and she loves dim commy dollars. It's Eileen Goo. 321 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 5: I kind of rubbed off, but I wrote the same 322 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 5: team on my finger, and it's talking to myself. I 323 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 5: think I'm a very cerebral person, which in a lot 324 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 5: of ways is a good thing, but also sometimes I 325 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 5: get in my own head, like I think about every 326 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 5: possible outcome and maybe nine out of ten outcomes are 327 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 5: not the positive one. So I was really just trying 328 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: to focus on self belief today and just dare to try. 329 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: So we just tried to carry that with me. 330 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: The Wigers should dare to try to escape the concentration camps. 331 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot to not like there if 332 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: you're a small, petty person like myself. And that she 333 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: is super crazy smart, like her SAT scores are in 334 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: the top point zero one percent of all in America. 335 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: She's beautiful as a model. See her eight figure contract 336 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: with various modeling agencies. She's the best skier of her 337 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: sort in the history of the sport. She was also 338 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: competing for the Communist Party though because she got a 339 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: better offer. 340 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 6: Yeah. 341 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: With a reported income of twenty three million dollars last year, 342 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: Goo is the fourth highest women paid woman in sports, 343 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: highest paid Olympian at this year's Games, et cetera. And 344 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: this great piece by Mike Pesk is entitled why is 345 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: everyone so nice to Eileen Goo? 346 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: No kidding? 347 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: And he goes through just the laundry list of the 348 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: media who absolutely refused to say anything critical. In fact, 349 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: he writes outside of circles portrayed as jingoistic knuckle draggers, 350 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 2: Goo Faces barely faces even the mildest breeze of criticism. 351 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: In a recent New York Times profile, the only condemnations 352 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: quoted came from the mouths of those who you know 353 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: are not really respected by the papers readers. Right wing 354 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: commentator Tucker Carlson, then at Fox News, described her choice 355 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 2: to compete for China is dumb. Well. The channel's co 356 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: host Will Knees said she was ungrateful and had betrayed America. 357 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: Reported at The Times. 358 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: Tucker's right about that it is dumb. It's amazing. She's 359 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: as smart as she is and obviously as business savvy 360 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: as she is, and she competes for the Chinese Party, 361 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: although business savvy might pay a role in it. What 362 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: did you say that they reportedly are paying her. It's 363 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: a lot of money. 364 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 2: Well, all told, she made twenty three million dollars, but 365 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: there are some reports that she's getting like six million 366 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: dollars from the Chinese alone. Glowing profiles of Gou and 367 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 2: the American press are often indistinguishable from the coverage of 368 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: Gou in official, state sponsored Chinese media. 369 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: Wow. 370 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's unbelievable, and she's plenty smart enough and 371 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: educated enough to I don't know exactly why what she's 372 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: doing is loathsome, but she went for the money and 373 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 2: went with the oppressive, totalitarian, torturing, genocide conducting old freedom fighter, 374 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: jailing Jimmy Lai Chinese Communist government. 375 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: She's pretty young, but is she old enough that if 376 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: she had been born in China, the country she's representing, 377 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: she would have been aborted, likely since they weren't allowing 378 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: many girls to be born at that time. 379 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: All right, yeah, probably so, yeah, I'd like to get 380 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: more into this. But his point is that Charisman Good 381 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: Looks cannot fully explain the almost complete absence of a 382 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: sense of trail or disloyalty in the American media's extensive 383 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 2: coverage of Go. The skiing star's decision to compete for 384 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: America's most important geopolitical rival has been almost completely frictionless, 385 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: bringing in its wake only great celebration and renumeration. 386 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: And not only are they our biggest rival, they're an 387 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: evil country. It's an evil government. 388 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: I think what this is a measure of is how 389 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: enthusiastic our media quote unquote elite are about zenophilia. Anything 390 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: that's foreign must be good, and it would be ugly 391 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: as an American to criticize it. The only thing I'm 392 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 2: willing to criticize is America, and I do that all 393 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: the time. So to suggest that this young woman would 394 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: have been better off competing for her own country, that 395 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: sounds like a knuckle dragger, like Tucker Carlson, So I 396 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 2: won't say it. People are stupid as they are evil Anyway, 397 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: got a rival, though, a rival candidate for your hatred 398 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: happens to be another woman. She is ETTERI probably mispronouncing 399 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: that Tutbritza, Russian figure skating coach banned from the Games 400 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: in an official basis, but is still there coaching a 401 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: mysterious Russian teenage figure skater who got one of the 402 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: few neutral country slots that they're letting Russians compete in. 403 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: And this nobody knew who this woman is, this young 404 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: woman is, but there's a tout Britza at her practices 405 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: and tough stuff because she's she's barred from being there 406 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: at the ice during the competition, but she's practiced with 407 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 2: her So she's coaching a Russian girl as the horrifying 408 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: war in Ukraine goes on. That's bad, and she's just 409 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: an evil looking human being. But Tutbritza coached three successive 410 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: Russian teenagers to Olympic gold medals in twenty fourteen, twenty eighteen, 411 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: and twenty twenty two, and turned through far more from 412 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: her rink in Moscow. She's become so famous she was 413 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: recently the subject of a streaming docu series called The 414 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: Tutburtza Method. That method pits trainees against each other as 415 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: they keep training through unrelenting criticism, strict scrutiny of their weight, 416 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: and brutal injuries. This one gal sat on camera after 417 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: she won that she was practically missing a leg. 418 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 6: Uh. 419 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 2: Toutbritza became widely known outside Russia and the world of 420 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: figure skating when her prize student You'll never remember name, 421 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: was engulfed in a doping saga during the Beijing Games. 422 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 2: Uh After Tutbritza berated the crying fifteen year old and 423 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: her other pupils took gold and silver, but still sobbed. 424 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: I hate this sport, one declared. The IOC president said 425 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: she was very very disturbed by figure skating's horrifying night 426 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 2: of tears straight out of the Soviet Union. No, I 427 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: give you ibery Tutbritza a teary. 428 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: You remember our friend Tim hates the Olympics. Yes, and 429 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: he hates the Olympics because this stuff with these totalitarian 430 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: countries gets you know, whitewashed, overlooked. You just not talked 431 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: about at all, and always has and it is kind 432 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: of weird. 433 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: You have these little kids snatched away from their families 434 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: as toddlers and then compelled to compete for the glory 435 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 2: of the fatherland until it ruins them. Then they're just 436 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: thrown away like garbage. That's what this woman does. She 437 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: did it for the Soviets and now for the Russians. 438 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't get to make all of the 439 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: millions out of being a star if you do end 440 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: up a star. Anyway, but most likely you're not gonna 441 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: end up a star. And you just you know, got 442 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: a broken body and you didn't get a regular education, 443 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: and now you're in a factory with an interesting story 444 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: to tell workers at lunchtime. Yeah, I competed in the 445 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: Olympics fifteen years ago. There's a woman the other day. 446 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: I've got the notes in my phone. It's not this story, 447 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: but it's adjacent in that she is a professional tennis 448 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: player who retired. She never got above like one hundred 449 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: and twentieth in the world or something like that. Although 450 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: that is, you know, obviously incredibly, incredibly good to be 451 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty tents to play in the world. 452 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: But at the end of it, she said, I wasted 453 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: my life. I wish I hadn't spent every hour of 454 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: my childhood playing tennis and getting up early and going 455 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: into all those tournaments and blah blah, blah blah blah. 456 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I wish I had lived a regular life like other people. 457 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: I hate all of this. I wish I hadn't done it. 458 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: That was what she decided at the end of it. Yeah, 459 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I'm surprised more people don't say that. Maybe 460 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: they don't say it because they don't feel it. If 461 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: you get at the end of that road and think 462 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad I spent all that time on Mono focused 463 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: on one thing and enjoyed every bed of it. That's fine. 464 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've unleashed my screen about the professionalization of youth 465 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: sports enough. But yeah, that's what it's all about. 466 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: I remember, even did you ever read he probably didn't 467 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: Andre Agassi's book, Famous Tennis Player. 468 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: No, I only read the first chapter. I saw a 469 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: bunch of interviews with it. I remember when it came out. 470 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: I heard the first chapter is pretty interesting. And he 471 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: was the number one tennis player in the world for 472 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: quite a while and became ungodly wealthy. But he had 473 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: a lot of resentment about how many hours of his 474 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: entire life, especially his childhood, was spent, you know, in 475 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: the dark, driving to a tennis facility to be the 476 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: best tennis player there was. And you know, and the 477 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: kids don't do that on their own. It's a parental decision. 478 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's a tough one. Oh yeah, 479 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: it's one I didn't have to make because neither one 480 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: of my kids are focused like that on anything. So 481 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that that woman came out 482 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: and said that. You just don't hear that very often. 483 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: I wish I hadn't done this. I wasted my childhood 484 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: what was what were my parents thinking? Because maybe she's 485 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: just better at her parents. Who knows. Yeah, I don't know. 486 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: That many people. But I know two whose kids were 487 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: gifted athletes got the scholarship and after a year or 488 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: two of competing, said this sucks. I'm not doing this anymore. 489 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: They got the vaunted They say she could get a 490 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 2: scholarship right, and just this is miserable being a college student. Yea, 491 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: their own. 492 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we don't finish strong next. 493 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: Armstrong Hetty. 494 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 7: You know who is not one of my guests tonight. 495 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 7: That's Texas State Representative James Talerico. He was supposed to 496 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 7: be here, but we were told in no uncertain terms 497 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 7: by our network's lawyers, who called us directly, that we 498 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 7: could not have him on the broadcast. 499 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: Then then I was. 500 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 7: Told in some uncertain terms that not only could I 501 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 7: not have him on, I could not mention me. 502 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: Not having him on. 503 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 7: And because my network clearly doesn't want us to talk 504 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 7: about this, let's talk about this. 505 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: He goes on to say, you can't believe that paramount 506 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: are such cowards blah blah blah blah blah, that this 507 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: speel from Stephen Cole where it only works if you 508 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: believe there's a good guys and a clearly good guys 509 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: and bad guys, which he does. So it's awful that 510 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: he wouldn't get to have on this Texas Democrat who 511 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: is gonna blast Trump, and the you know, very over 512 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: top of the ways in the crowd would cheer like crazy, 513 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: and that the network thinks, Yeah, we're not into trying 514 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: to turn off half our audience, all right, we're trying 515 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: to sell soap or whatever. But he thinks there's a 516 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: good guys and a bad guys, and that your job 517 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: as the network or the company is to be part 518 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: of the resistance. 519 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: Well right. He absolutely thinks that it's interesting that the 520 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: lawyers call I have a feeling it has to do 521 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: with the fact that the guy's engaged in a primary 522 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 2: right now or something, and it's an equal time deal. 523 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. Tell Rico's a weird though 524 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: I've been reading about him, I haven't brought it up 525 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: because he's not going to go anywhere. He's just another 526 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: alleged hot shot. Handsome textan would be better. 527 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: Here's a burbling story that may be nothing but maybe 528 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot. Will there be a Supreme Court opening here soon, 529 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: and Trump will get to a point yet another person 530 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court, you know, further stamping his brand 531 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: of judicial philosophy on that court for many years to come. Yes, 532 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons for and against. The reason 533 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: four is decent chances Republicans are going to lose the 534 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: Senate and he would not be able to get through 535 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: the kind of justice that Republicans want on the court. 536 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: So he was going to kill somebody or well, somebody 537 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: would have to retire. But that has happened. That has 538 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: happened a couple of times where people think, you know what, 539 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: I was going to step down. I was going to 540 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: hang on for another two years, but let me step 541 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: down now so they can replace me with a younger 542 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: me and my philosophy can continue in this seat. 543 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: Right. 544 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes people do that. RBG famously did not, by 545 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: the way, none of them, and good for her. None 546 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: of the past four two term presidents have had the 547 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: Senate in their final two years. Not Clinton, not Obama, 548 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: not Reagan, not Bush have had the Senate in their 549 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: final two years. So that's not when they were going 550 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: to get a Supreme Court justice. Rough So if you're 551 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: gonna do it? What you better do now. The argument 552 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: that this will not happen is that no one wants 553 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: to leave, and they're all relatively young and healthy. The 554 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: average age for leaving has been almost eighty over the 555 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: past half century, and the oldest justice right now is 556 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: seventy seven Clarence Thomas, so he's three years short of 557 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: the average age for people who retire. By the way, 558 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas is now the second longest serving justice in history. Wow, 559 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: and in a year and a half he'll be the 560 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: longest serving justice in history. 561 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: Obviously, as a staunch conservative, he's the perfect guy for 562 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: the scenario you describe. But I can easily picture old 563 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: Clarence saying, yeah. 564 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: No, I don't think they should either. 565 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: I don't. 566 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't like that. I mean, I suppose you could 567 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: make it arm or if you care very much, if 568 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: you care about the philosophy, you should do it. But 569 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. 570 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: I think if you don't care about America, you have 571 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: your opinion. I think that's fair. 572 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: But you don't know how long you're gonna live. I mean, 573 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: you step down at seventy seven, you might have eight 574 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: more years than you easily past. 575 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: The baton, you selfish bastard. That's what I selfish elderly 576 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: bastard is exactly. Yeah, and I'm not talking about Clarence Thomas. 577 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: I have enormous respect for him. But that's an interesting question. 578 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: I mean, if if the percentages would say it's most 579 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: likely that the White House switches hands again. But the 580 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: problem you get some freaking KJB clone. 581 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: The problem with your theory is what's the younger. 582 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: B j KBJ? Sorry I can never keep it straight. 583 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: Yes, what's the younger limit on that? Eventually there wouldn't 584 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: be one, whoever is president. There'd be tremendous pressure on 585 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: anybody over the age of forty five to step down. 586 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: So you can get a twenty eight year old on there. 587 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: Now, it's like bananas. You take a look. You think 588 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: that's past as prime right there? Yeah, give it a 589 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: little squeeze or something like an avocado. 590 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: I think with your philosophy, in one Republican term and 591 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: one Democratic term, we have nine people in their early 592 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: twenties that are Supreme Court justice. 593 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 2: No, no, don't be ridiculous. Now, it's just once you 594 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: can pass seventy five, I got my eye on you. 595 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: It is something for president and judges that. In no 596 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: other realm of life do we turn to an eighty 597 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: year old for advice. 598 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, although the oldest folks on the court are way 599 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: better to me than and it's not just ideology than 600 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: KBJ Brown Jackson right, not Jackson Brown. That's how I remember. 601 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: It, running on running on empty. 602 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: Right, not that. Uh, she's terrible, just terrible. 603 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: She talks a lot chatterbox. 604 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: It ain't about age. She's an she don't do guy 605 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: in the office dominates every meeting. Oh, come on. 606 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: Boy, you want a good partisan battle, Have Clarence Thomas 607 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: decide to retire and go, you know, chase skirts or 608 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: whatever he's gonna do. And what where did that come from? 609 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden that there's a tru there's 610 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: an opening, and Trump gets to a point. Someone that'll 611 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: be a good one. 612 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: Ready, here's a way to echo the tropes of the 613 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: high tech media lynching of yesteryear. 614 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: Good lord, here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. 615 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: I am shocked and disappointed. Let's get at everybody. 616 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm disappointed. 617 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's start with Mike Langelow in the control room. 618 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, tomorrow, guys, I'm going to bring you the colors 619 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 6: that mean danger. 620 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: For example, if you see an orange glow in the distance, 621 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: it means fire, so be prepared. Have you seen it 622 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: in a tree area and a fire area? No, No, 623 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: got to help us. 624 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 2: Katie green Er Katie green Or is steam Newswoman has 625 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 2: a final talk, Katie, we. 626 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: Gotta stop talking about food. 627 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 6: Every time we talk about food, I crave it for 628 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 6: the rest of the day. 629 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: And now all I want is a big bag of chips. 630 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: So thank you so much. You said you went to 631 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: McDonald's the other day. How well I did. It did 632 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: not disappoint, and it never does. 633 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna jump the queue. My final thought is as 634 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: a kid, I didn't like potato chips. I kind of 635 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: like barbecued potato chips. I did not like potato chips. 636 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: Wow. 637 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 2: As an adult, I could eat them all day long. 638 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous anyway, jacka final thought, never heard of. 639 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: A kid who doesn't like potato chips, And. 640 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: I just thought they were kind of plain, and I 641 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: didn't like the consistency and what I'd rather had other things. 642 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: It seems like it ought to be the name of 643 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: an after school special. The boy who didn't like potato chips. 644 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: I enjoyed a creamy bree you too. 645 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, a mile to breed the mildest of breath, but 646 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 6: not potato chip No. Indeed, Armstrong and Geeddy rabbing up 647 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 6: another grueling four hour workday, so. 648 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 2: Many people will thanks so a little time. Go to 649 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: armstrong in giddy dot com for the hot links for 650 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: Katie's corner. Drop us an oat mail bag at armstrong 651 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: giddy dot com. You can download the podcast through the 652 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: website or get it wherever podcasts are distributed. Give us 653 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 2: a nice five star review. It helps with the algorithms, 654 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 2: and it will probably knock some obnoxious progressive off of 655 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: the totem pole in our favor. Help us out give 656 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: us a five star review. 657 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: Groovy Man, Will we be at war with Iran by 658 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: the time we come back on the air tomorrow? I 659 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: don't know nobody's paying attention to that story anyway. Jackie 660 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: got to shut up. We'll see you tomorrow. God bless America. 661 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: We're facing a war with Iran. Thats food is hurting 662 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: us and they still haven't found. 663 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 2: That gu Freeklo. 664 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: World is cracked, but don't crash out shack and. 665 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 5: Over here to help us sort it out and think. 666 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: A podcast, Armstrong and 667 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 2: Getty, Armstrong and Getty,