Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast comes to you
Speaker 1: every Wednesday. I am your host, Claude Harmon. This week's guest, UM,
Speaker 1: really one of my favorite people in golf, Andrew Beef
Speaker 1: Johnson Beef um first onto the scene two thousand sixteen. UM,
Speaker 1: and a fan favorite. But he's been struggling. Poor guy
Speaker 1: has been struggling with injuries and uh, he can't get healthy.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to reach out talk to him. He's
Speaker 1: got some new stuff that he's doing kind of away
Speaker 1: from golf as well social wise, and I just want
Speaker 1: to kind of get his takes. Um, you know, with
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's going on between the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: and live and guaranteed money and contracts and money this
Speaker 1: and money that. Um, it's interesting to talk to a
Speaker 1: guy that's played not only in Europe but on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour currently hurt and you know this idea of
Speaker 1: should athletes be getting paid guaranteed money? He's got some
Speaker 1: interesting takes on that, and UM, it's an interesting situation
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Speaker 1: to the interview with Andrew Beef Johnston. My guest today
Speaker 1: is one of the most popular people in the game,
Speaker 1: Andrew Beef Johnson Beef. I think the last time we
Speaker 1: spoke was right in the middle of the pandemic. Um,
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Um, you were battling, you're
Speaker 1: battling then, you're still battling now and you just can't
Speaker 1: shake these injuries. Man, No, injuries have not been kind. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last year was stranger. I changed coach last year and
Speaker 1: I started to play some really good golf back end
Speaker 1: of the year, and I was ready for this season
Speaker 1: to come out and and start playing again, you know,
Speaker 1: and work my way back up. Um. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was like banging overnight. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to Middle East, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you start digging in more and looking
Speaker 1: what's wrong in my hand? No one can figure it out.
Speaker 1: And it's been basically the whole season, which has been insane.
Speaker 1: It's got to be really frustrating. Um. You know when
Speaker 1: you do get injured, um that no one seems to
Speaker 1: be able to tell you what the problem is. You're
Speaker 1: you're saying before we started recording, you went and saw
Speaker 1: a Chinese doctor today. I mean, you're trying to leave
Speaker 1: no stone unturned to try and get back to fitness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just gotta take everything off the list. I haven't
Speaker 1: been happy with what the specialists said. And so where'd
Speaker 1: you go next? I've got told about this doctor. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try pretty much anything to
Speaker 1: get back out on the golf course. Man um left
Speaker 1: thumb or right thumb? Left left? Oh? I mean that's
Speaker 1: I mean you mean, I mean, I think everybody in golf,
Speaker 1: you know that that plays professional golf and the fans,
Speaker 1: everybody knows that backs and necks or brutal for for
Speaker 1: for golfers. But anytime there's a lingering issue in the
Speaker 1: wrist or the hand, I mean, that is your connection
Speaker 1: to the golf club. I mean, you can swing a
Speaker 1: golf club with a bad back and maybe try and
Speaker 1: kind of cheat one out there, but you've got to
Speaker 1: hold onto the golf club. And if it's the left farm,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be painful when you're trying
Speaker 1: to hit golf balls and just even hold the golf club. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The problem is at the moment is I'll hit like
Speaker 1: ten eight irons and it feels okay, and then I'll
Speaker 1: hit one more and all of a sudden, it's back
Speaker 1: to square one with a lot of pain, sharp pain.
Speaker 1: And that's with a nator and let alone picking up
Speaker 1: a driver or anything. So originally, what was the diagnosis?
Speaker 1: I've had loads? Um, Yeah, I've had loads. Man. One
Speaker 1: was a classification in the ligament in my thumb, and
Speaker 1: they gave me an injection so they get rid of it.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't do surgery, take it out. Two weeks
Speaker 1: went by, nothing happened. Um. Then he changed his mind.
Speaker 1: Then that scared me. So then I saw someone else. Um,
Speaker 1: they said one thing again and then changed their mind. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I saw him again and they were just like,
Speaker 1: we're not sure what it is. Basic le um. So
Speaker 1: I was almost back to square one again. They did
Speaker 1: say maybe you should just get a golf club back
Speaker 1: in your hand and start a rehab program. And I
Speaker 1: was like, well, what exactly are we rehab in here?
Speaker 1: And they couldn't answer it. So I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what's the point, man? That's just that's crazy. That And
Speaker 1: I mean, as an athlete, like you said, if if,
Speaker 1: if you're going to see somebody for an injury and
Speaker 1: they tell you to go down one route and then
Speaker 1: two weeks later they tell you to go down another route,
Speaker 1: you're that's a that's a that's tough for for someone
Speaker 1: to mentally come to terms with. You're like, wait, we're
Speaker 1: going down this route. We think this is gonna work,
Speaker 1: and now two weeks later we're not. We're not going
Speaker 1: down this road. It's brew. It's the worst thing you
Speaker 1: could say, I think, to anyone, because once they say that,
Speaker 1: you sort of have your brain set out and what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. So, Okay, after two weeks we do surgery.
Speaker 1: How long is surgery going to be and how long's rehab? Oh,
Speaker 1: you probably take four weeks rest and then another of
Speaker 1: four weeks. Three you have so you've got da da Okay,
Speaker 1: I should be to go back at this tournament and
Speaker 1: you you map it out on your head and then
Speaker 1: you turn up two weeks later and then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know, so what's the time frame? We don't know.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, you're left You're left in like
Speaker 1: limbo basically, and you can't really I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like you can work on your game. I mean, does
Speaker 1: it hurt to put or can you can you put?
Speaker 1: Does that hurt it? No, it doesn't. It doesn't hurt
Speaker 1: to put. But I mean when you've got no idea
Speaker 1: of when you're playing next, it's pretty hard. I would
Speaker 1: be putting for nine months now it's months right now,
Speaker 1: you're brad faction, right, I mean, you're you're hooping it
Speaker 1: from everywhere. I mean, if if you as an athlete,
Speaker 1: you train, you you you get to where you want
Speaker 1: to get to, to get on the European Tour, you
Speaker 1: have that breakout year in sixteen, you get to the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, which is, you know, the holy grail for
Speaker 1: golfers to to get an opportunity to play in the US.
Speaker 1: And you know, now through and you're going through the
Speaker 1: pandemic you've had a baby, you're you're injured now. I mean,
Speaker 1: is it hard to to mentally stay upbeat because You've
Speaker 1: been pretty honest in the past about even when things
Speaker 1: were going good that sometimes you struggle on the course
Speaker 1: mentally you throw all this ship into the mix. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's got a testament, mate, Like I think I've retired
Speaker 1: about four times this year already. Um, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's difficult. You know. It's because as a player,
Speaker 1: I feel like on my day I can play with
Speaker 1: the best, you know, hang with the best, and it's
Speaker 1: so frustrating not being able to play in the best
Speaker 1: tournaments and feel like, I think that's the hard attachment.
Speaker 1: If I was playing really ship and struggling, you could
Speaker 1: almost accept it. But where like every time I come
Speaker 1: back and I have a run of a few months
Speaker 1: and I start playing good golf again, and you know
Speaker 1: he's still there and you know I can get up there.
Speaker 1: I just need a run of a few years injury free.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is that still drives me because I know
Speaker 1: I can, I can play, and when I play good golf,
Speaker 1: I can I can play and compete against some of
Speaker 1: the best in the world. So that that does keep
Speaker 1: you interested, if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean you've seen that. You know, you got into
Speaker 1: the hunt at the Open Championship. Um, you know you've
Speaker 1: you want a tournament on a really really iconic European
Speaker 1: kind of tour golf course in valve Rama where you
Speaker 1: can't fake it around that golf course, and then you
Speaker 1: played on the PGA Tour. Um, you can't even set
Speaker 1: any goals right now because no one can get you
Speaker 1: a diagnosis. I mean do you feel like, um, you've
Speaker 1: got to keep trying to find the right doctor, the
Speaker 1: right physio that can kind of point you in a
Speaker 1: direction that you can kind of touch and feel and
Speaker 1: even and see some positive progress in in what the
Speaker 1: diagnosis is. Yeah, definitely. I think I've learned a lot
Speaker 1: this year in terms of myself away from the golf course,
Speaker 1: and um, I'm so hard on myself all the time,
Speaker 1: and that is really not helpful at all, and you know,
Speaker 1: take a step back away from it and going like,
Speaker 1: you know, when I come back, maybe we need to
Speaker 1: do things a little differently. I want to change the
Speaker 1: lifestyle a little differently as well and see if I can, yeah,
Speaker 1: make a few adjustments and see if that helps. I think,
Speaker 1: and I think like lifestyle adjustment and saying no to
Speaker 1: a lot more things as well, and like to be honest.
Speaker 1: All sports people and successful people have to be pretty
Speaker 1: selfish to be honest, and I need to be more selfish,
Speaker 1: to be brutally honest. And I think they are the
Speaker 1: things that I've realized, and it's like, hopefully I can.
Speaker 1: I can sort this this injury out, become a bit
Speaker 1: more selfish, use my time a lot better than I
Speaker 1: have done in the past, and we'll see where it
Speaker 1: takes us. But as I said when I when I
Speaker 1: sit here, I still think that, you know, if I
Speaker 1: can get myself fit, I'll get back playing and it
Speaker 1: won't say long to get back into stride of playing tournaments.
Speaker 1: And I still have ambitions getting back out to PJ
Speaker 1: Tour winning events UM as well. So as long as
Speaker 1: that fire still there, I'm going to keep battling. Man.
Speaker 1: I guess one of the saving racist is UM with
Speaker 1: all this time after not only through the pandemic, but
Speaker 1: also when you are injured, you could spend a lot
Speaker 1: more time UM at home with the family. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: has it been kind of a blessing as as as
Speaker 1: much as the injury has been, you know, destructive in
Speaker 1: your life professionally, you get to spend time with with
Speaker 1: your family, with your with your child and you know,
Speaker 1: be a dad. Yeah, it's always the bigger picture. You know.
Speaker 1: Golf just golf, And I've already thought about if someone
Speaker 1: turned around so you can never play again. You just
Speaker 1: gotta take it on the chair, move on. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world, right, It's it's
Speaker 1: a small part um in relation to a lot of
Speaker 1: important things. And yeah, having time with family and the
Speaker 1: little one and having that I think that perspective key
Speaker 1: this year has been really important not to take it,
Speaker 1: yeah as as serious, be too hard on myself as
Speaker 1: I have done. And a lot of people won't see
Speaker 1: that obviously, they see like the joker and person en
Speaker 1: looves to have fun. But away, you know, I'm like
Speaker 1: working hard. And if I come off a golf course
Speaker 1: and I'm not happy with something, you know, I take
Speaker 1: it to heart as well. And how do we give better?
Speaker 1: How how can I do that? How can I get better?
Speaker 1: How can we improve that? And I push it too hard?
Speaker 1: So it is it's having that perspective, and um, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: as I said, next time around, be a lot more
Speaker 1: yeah bits off for myself, a lot more chilled out.
Speaker 1: I think it's the key. It sounds silly, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to just be, yeah, a little more chilled
Speaker 1: out about where my game is that all the time,
Speaker 1: and not putting too much pressure on myself every every round,
Speaker 1: every week. You know, when you when you came out
Speaker 1: and you were having success and stuff, I think part
Speaker 1: of the reason why the fans took to you so
Speaker 1: much as there was someone you were, somebody that they
Speaker 1: could kind of that seems really really genuine. You know
Speaker 1: that that you you had this smile, you had this
Speaker 1: kind of um enjoyment when you played golf that you know,
Speaker 1: not so much disbelief, but when you when you were
Speaker 1: having success, Um, you're I still remember watching your interview
Speaker 1: when when you want in in Spain and they're asking
Speaker 1: you what you're doing, You're like, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: get hammered with my with my mates. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's that's one of the great qualities that you've got,
Speaker 1: that you You've never been one to kind of give
Speaker 1: the kind of corporate kind of suit answer that you know,
Speaker 1: this is the kind of sheet that you read from
Speaker 1: when you give interviews. You've you've always just kind of
Speaker 1: worn your heart on your sleeping been you Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's that's a rubbish, isn't it. It's like when when
Speaker 1: you start going down that room, it's it's not a ship,
Speaker 1: to be honest, And I just say how it is?
Speaker 1: That there's nothing wrong with saying how it is? Oh,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're telling me, like other people don't go
Speaker 1: when a tournament and geting party and celebrate and get hammered.
Speaker 1: I mean you're telling me they're going to go home
Speaker 1: and like clean their golf clubs, like come off it, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: like so so like just say how it is? Man,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with it? Do you do?
Speaker 1: You feel like we are? I mean, golf is constantly changing,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, you and I have talked
Speaker 1: about this, you know privately, golf has to evolve and
Speaker 1: keep changing in order to get more people into the sport, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, the sport, in my opinion, just isn't going
Speaker 1: to reach another new audience if it's more rules, more
Speaker 1: kind of stuffiness, more kind of you know, you can't
Speaker 1: wear your hat backwards, you can't look a certain way.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the things that I
Speaker 1: loved about, you know, the way that you were on
Speaker 1: tour is you're like, hey, this is the way I look,
Speaker 1: this is why I dressed. This is kind of who
Speaker 1: I am. And you know there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that look at that. No, you know that's not
Speaker 1: the way golf should be at all. Yeah, man, And
Speaker 1: like for as I said, if I wanted to play
Speaker 1: with my mates and we wanted to have a few
Speaker 1: beers on the golf course and they've been working a week,
Speaker 1: working hard a week, and they want to go and
Speaker 1: relax and have a good time. I have a few beers,
Speaker 1: play some music, whatever, ware hat backwards. Who gives a
Speaker 1: ship like this is the thing who cares like it's
Speaker 1: your relax it's your enjoyment. Time you go to golf,
Speaker 1: like to have fun, to enjoy it, not to be
Speaker 1: told off that like your socks aren't long enough or
Speaker 1: something something like that. Man Um, I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time over the last couple of years I've been
Speaker 1: working with Patrez and Pat you know, has this enormous
Speaker 1: Jordan's sneaker collection, and every time he rolls out with
Speaker 1: a new pair of Jordan's, I'm always thinking about you,
Speaker 1: Beef going, man, Beef would just want to be a
Speaker 1: fly on the wall to look at all. And so
Speaker 1: somebody last week we're at the Live tournament. Somebody said, um,
Speaker 1: did you oh, oh you got those? Those are the
Speaker 1: new ones? Um? And he and he's like, um, were
Speaker 1: they hard to get? And and Pat goes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got him in every color. They sent me a box
Speaker 1: with like eleven pairs in him. And this guy's mind's
Speaker 1: just blown that you know that Jordan's just sending Pat
Speaker 1: like all these shoes and stuff. Do you think that
Speaker 1: that's been a big part of it, right, the fact
Speaker 1: that you know, like Nick Kurios, I mean that's the
Speaker 1: fact that he walks onto a tennis court were in
Speaker 1: Jordan's and then puts on like regular shoes and then
Speaker 1: walks off the court. I mean, I thought it was
Speaker 1: great this summer when he was at Wimbledon and the
Speaker 1: reporter was like, why are you wearing you know, Jordan's
Speaker 1: And he's like, because I want to wear my jas
Speaker 1: onto the court. I mean that's what I want to do. Yeah, like, again,
Speaker 1: is he doing anything that's damaged in the coal? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Not hairs. And like the thing I'm interested about is
Speaker 1: what shoe size is? Pat You want to see if
Speaker 1: you can get some throwaways? Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, I
Speaker 1: must find this out. Yeah. He he has become the
Speaker 1: guy because obviously sponsored by Jordan and stuff. So I
Speaker 1: mean the amount of players that will come up to
Speaker 1: him and go, hey, can you get me the elevens
Speaker 1: but in in this color? Can you get me this
Speaker 1: one but in that color? And he's like, man, I
Speaker 1: mean Brandon Grace last week came up to him and
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, man, thanks, I really like that. Can
Speaker 1: you get me two more pairs? And in the other
Speaker 1: two colors? And that's like what am I? I mean?
Speaker 1: But one's not enough? That's insane? Man. He's yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the man. He's the man at the moment. Man, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we are back. You've had
Speaker 1: some comments about Live and obviously, um I thought it
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting that you said that. You know, obviously,
Speaker 1: if they came to you and made you a lucrative offer,
Speaker 1: as as a as a player, as a person, you'd
Speaker 1: you'd have to take a look at it, Um, the
Speaker 1: golf landscape, the professional landscape, beef has changed so much
Speaker 1: in such a short period of time. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I can still remember being at the the p g
Speaker 1: A this year where there were some you know, you
Speaker 1: heard maybe that Live was gonna make another run there.
Speaker 1: We're going to be some guys, um that we're thinking
Speaker 1: about going. If you look back at you know, May, Um,
Speaker 1: if someone had told you that everything had happened in
Speaker 1: the last you know, three months and golf would look
Speaker 1: like it looks now, would you would you have believed them?
Speaker 1: Would you be surprised? Um? Have you been surprised at
Speaker 1: how fast and how quickly um things have changed? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you've played golf on both tours. You've played on
Speaker 1: the DP World Tour, the European Tour, you've played on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. I mean, it's it's some crazy ship
Speaker 1: that's going on in golf right now. It is I think, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: being injured from an outside point of view, looking in, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when a lot of people, a lot of players turn around,
Speaker 1: we're like they've got questions are they moving across? And
Speaker 1: they were like absolutely not, no chance for going. And
Speaker 1: then like the U turn started happening and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, like they're picking up a lot of players.
Speaker 1: It seemed to be like every few weeks, a whole
Speaker 1: bunch we're going across. And it went from a joke
Speaker 1: to oh, no, this is serious. It literally went from
Speaker 1: like like laughing stock almost uh, to to oh and
Speaker 1: I think like both told oh my god. I don't
Speaker 1: even think they saw it happening in some respect, to
Speaker 1: be honest, um, But again it's for me, like I've said,
Speaker 1: it's something different, which can never be a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think sometimes competition can be bad as well.
Speaker 1: And I think what I've learned is sometimes pja to
Speaker 1: Europeans or have have not advanced fast enough, they've sat
Speaker 1: because they're comfortable as well, And I think like that
Speaker 1: that's never bad to have have a have a good
Speaker 1: kick up the ass, as you'd say, like they, I
Speaker 1: think they needed it as well in some respect, so
Speaker 1: I don't Again, I don't think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's a new thing and it will figure
Speaker 1: itself out. Because it's so new, no one knows what's
Speaker 1: going on, and over time I think it will figure
Speaker 1: itself out. Have you been surprised that, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: has dug in so much. I mean the line now,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's as if there is a a trench,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a war going on, and on
Speaker 1: one side, you've got the PGA Tour, you've got the
Speaker 1: DP World Tour, and then you've got to live guys
Speaker 1: on the other side. I mean, it seems like and
Speaker 1: I mean it seems like no one can be asked
Speaker 1: any question about golf anymore without it turning back to
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got Rory McRoy winning tournaments and he's
Speaker 1: talking about live you've got you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy how in a very short period of
Speaker 1: time something that, like you said, not a lot of
Speaker 1: people took seriously has all the sudden kind of made
Speaker 1: the European Tour, the DP World Tour of the PG
Speaker 1: Tour step up and kind of go, hang on a minute,
Speaker 1: maybe we've got to start making some changes now. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: I think, um, yeah they did. They didn't need to
Speaker 1: make It was just I've seen it. PG still have
Speaker 1: made changes, haven't they already. Yeah. It's it's a strange one.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a very confrontational person and to be honest,
Speaker 1: that my opinion, I'm not really bothered, go with the
Speaker 1: flow whatever. I'm not too fast. Like. People gotta do
Speaker 1: what they gotta do, and I try not to judge
Speaker 1: anyones to be honest, and whatever they want to do,
Speaker 1: they can go and do if the opportunities there. Right,
Speaker 1: I think the Live guys have been made out to
Speaker 1: look really bad, which has been really over the top
Speaker 1: as well, and it has Yeah, every week just seems
Speaker 1: like they're arguing about it. It's like I thought, I
Speaker 1: don't listen to any of it, to be honest, man,
Speaker 1: it just it just annoys me. Let's just crack on
Speaker 1: and play golf. One of the things that I find
Speaker 1: really interesting is, you know, it was when Henrik Stenson
Speaker 1: made the decision to step not made the decision to
Speaker 1: step down from being the Ryder Cup captain, but announced
Speaker 1: that he was going to live and then the captains
Speaker 1: he was taken away from him. I find it interesting
Speaker 1: that one day you're the Ryder Cup captain, you're Henrik Stenson,
Speaker 1: You've you've won the Open Championship. You know, in an
Speaker 1: iconic battle with Phil Mickelson, one of the greatest players
Speaker 1: of this generation. You know, Hendricks been a huge part
Speaker 1: of the winning Ryder Cup team. He won the Players
Speaker 1: championshis he's one all over the world. And the day
Speaker 1: he decides to go to Live, he's an immediate bomb.
Speaker 1: He's just a bomb. He was a bomb, and he
Speaker 1: was never any good and it's no loss and thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: he was Wryder Cup captain yesterday and today because he's
Speaker 1: made a choice to go play with Live. Now he's
Speaker 1: a barman. He was never that good and he won't
Speaker 1: be missed. Yeah, I guess from the Europeans or side,
Speaker 1: they've got to do something to protect themselves. And again,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the back and falls be high
Speaker 1: and all the legal stuff. I mean, I've got literally
Speaker 1: you're probably asking the worst person. Well, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I haven't read any articles about it. I'm not fuss
Speaker 1: I just kind of watch what's going on and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's moved over or whatever. And as I said, that's
Speaker 1: their choice, that's their decision. I think Ryder Cup is
Speaker 1: still going to be great, regardless who's captain, regardless who plays,
Speaker 1: is still going to be great, and lives going to
Speaker 1: be there. And I think let's be honest, Henry Stension,
Speaker 1: he's got a decision to make there with probably the
Speaker 1: way he had been playing the last year or so,
Speaker 1: his age, and if he gets an offer again, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you got offered, but it's very hard
Speaker 1: to turn down, right, yeah, I mean you're going through
Speaker 1: that right now, right You're you're a professional athlete. You know,
Speaker 1: there's this big thing that you know, Tiger came out
Speaker 1: at the Open Championship and said, you know, his issue
Speaker 1: is he has an issue with the guaranteed money, the
Speaker 1: fact that wears the incentive. But as an athlete now
Speaker 1: and you're going through this, people can always say that,
Speaker 1: you know, I just find it interesting that people say
Speaker 1: that there's more to life than money. Either don't have money,
Speaker 1: or they're like Tiger and Rory and they've got jets
Speaker 1: with their initials on on the engines. Right, It's always
Speaker 1: that opposite ends of the spectrum. People that say, listen,
Speaker 1: you know, money isn't important to me and it's not
Speaker 1: a part of my life. And then you've got people
Speaker 1: that have some you know, Tiger Woods lives a five
Speaker 1: iron from my house and in a compound just over
Speaker 1: the sound here I mean it's it's it's like a
Speaker 1: bat it's like a Bond villain house. I mean it's
Speaker 1: like the bat cave. So you've got that end of
Speaker 1: the spectrum saying yeah, that guaranteed money, where is the incentive?
Speaker 1: But here's you're injured, You've got a family, you've got
Speaker 1: bills to pay. I don't want to people realize that.
Speaker 1: In in golf, the contracts aren't guaranteed. If you're not
Speaker 1: playing golf, you're not making any money. There's no money
Speaker 1: coming in. Yeah, it's not like it's not like you're
Speaker 1: playing football or whatever it is. Um, you know, playing
Speaker 1: the NFL and you've got contracts for X amount of
Speaker 1: years and stuff like that. We don't have that. You've
Speaker 1: got to turn up and perform every week. And yeah,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's very difficult with someone. Yeah you're
Speaker 1: Tigers rrries. Um, they're not playing for it for money.
Speaker 1: I don't care. But I'm not Rory. I'm not Tiger Woods, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna win eighty tournaments. It's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the reality of it, it's like turning up to
Speaker 1: someone and go in, well, here's a lottery ticket, you
Speaker 1: want it or not? In some of my my shoes.
Speaker 1: Do you want to win the lot three? You can
Speaker 1: take it. It's there, and you're going and hang on,
Speaker 1: does that mean potentially then I could help whatever if
Speaker 1: if my little one becomes talented it's something, or we
Speaker 1: want to send it to a certain school. I have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do that by taking that lottery ticket.
Speaker 1: And you're going, oh, well, if I take it, I can.
Speaker 1: Now if I don't and I play three months and
Speaker 1: my thumb goes again, I might not be able to
Speaker 1: do that. And then that's where it becomes very difficult
Speaker 1: in a decision, because I'd love to play the Rider Cup,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. And I think it if live
Speaker 1: golfers can't play majors and stuff, people miss the majors
Speaker 1: that the experiences I've had at the Open at US
Speaker 1: Opens are incredible. But you've got to make a decision
Speaker 1: and going, hang on, I could look after my family
Speaker 1: here and that generation maybe the generation after you have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to put it into perspective. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: crazy to me that you know, people say that, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't play golf for money, but you, you, more
Speaker 1: than anybody, realize that you came up on the European Tour.
Speaker 1: When you're not on the p g A Tour, the
Speaker 1: holy grail is to get to the p g A Tour, right,
Speaker 1: the holy grail is to get a card on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. And I think for a lot of players, yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: it means that you're gonna play against the best players.
Speaker 1: It means that you're going to play on iconic golf
Speaker 1: courses that you've seen in the past, that you watched
Speaker 1: growing up. But you be more than anybody realized that
Speaker 1: a ticket to the PGA Tour is very similar to
Speaker 1: a winning lottery ticket because the opportunity that that avails
Speaker 1: you if you play well, all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 1: playing well in a tournament that's got a seven million
Speaker 1: dollar purse versus a tournament in Hollands that's you know,
Speaker 1: they're playing for two million. Yeah, I mean, you get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play in the Players Championship. Now, and
Speaker 1: you look at the prize fund in the Players Championship,
Speaker 1: the exemptions that that does I mean, the I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember everybody was you know, the you you get
Speaker 1: into all the w g c s, it's guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: There's no cut. I mean we've been talking about that
Speaker 1: for ten years on the players. Hey, you get into
Speaker 1: all the invitation as you get into all the majors,
Speaker 1: you get into all the w g cs. W g
Speaker 1: CS is basically free money. I mean that's there are
Speaker 1: tournaments where there are no cuts. I mean Tiger's tournaments,
Speaker 1: twenty players, no cut at the end of the year. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean those are winning lottery tickets financially if you
Speaker 1: get into those tournaments. Definitely. Yeah, it is is Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's exactly, and it's it's stepping stones in it in
Speaker 1: people's careers. And I said it, you're telling me that,
Speaker 1: say someone in a job is doing well and say
Speaker 1: that they get offered ten times the amount of money
Speaker 1: to go to another job to work a bit less.
Speaker 1: Now I'm good, I'm good. I'm gonna stay where I'm at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you know, do you know what I mean? He's
Speaker 1: not going to think, well, I don't know about my family.
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure what I should do, should like.
Speaker 1: And that's the way I see it. What what I
Speaker 1: don't get? What I don't get You might be able
Speaker 1: to explain this more from for me, right, is if
Speaker 1: they offered me like a crazy amount of money. Why
Speaker 1: players are still trying to go back and play on
Speaker 1: other tours. Yeah, I mean, I think from what I
Speaker 1: can understand from that beef is you know, guys like
Speaker 1: guys like Phil Um. You know, I've talked to Phil
Speaker 1: about his stance. He's like, listen, I have life's time
Speaker 1: exemption on the PGA tour um, you know, based off
Speaker 1: of how many tournaments I won, and I had that
Speaker 1: before I made this decision to go to Live Right.
Speaker 1: And I think some of the guys that went back
Speaker 1: and tried to, you know, get into the FedEx Cup,
Speaker 1: you know, Taylor Gooch, hud Swofford who I talked to,
Speaker 1: they said, listen, we qualified for this before we went
Speaker 1: to Live Right, so we I think in their minds,
Speaker 1: the argument is we should be able to play djson
Speaker 1: this same boat. Brooks is in the same boat, Bryson's
Speaker 1: in the ship. All the guys that have won majors
Speaker 1: in the last five years, they're exempt in the majors,
Speaker 1: so they're exempt for however many years, right. DJ's exempt
Speaker 1: for you know, winning the Masters. Brooks's exempt for winning
Speaker 1: the majors. He's won Bryson. Phil Mickelson is exempt for
Speaker 1: I think the next three years, so I think they
Speaker 1: feel like they should be able to play in the
Speaker 1: stuff that they've qualified for. Yeah, that's fair. You know.
Speaker 1: I talked to Patrick Reed after coming back from Wentworth,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was like, listen, I feel like
Speaker 1: I should be able to play on the European Tour
Speaker 1: because I've supported the European Tour. You know, he's playing,
Speaker 1: and you know he's playing in the French Open. There
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of people playing in the French Open
Speaker 1: this week. You know, they're the superstars are not playing there. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, there aren't a lot of Americans that are
Speaker 1: taking the opportunity to ask for or at least to
Speaker 1: go play in the French Open. Um. And you know,
Speaker 1: Patrick feels like he has been a supporter of the
Speaker 1: DP World Tour, not just a supporter of the big tournaments.
Speaker 1: You and I both know. It's easy to go play Wentworth,
Speaker 1: It's easy to go play Abu Dhabi, Dubai Dubai. At
Speaker 1: the end of the year, if you're an American player
Speaker 1: and you're a superstars, easy to go play the BMW
Speaker 1: UM in Germany because there's a BMW's jet taking players
Speaker 1: from the US Open, and you're hopping on there and
Speaker 1: you're getting paid to go do it. Um. I also
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that it's always been okay for the
Speaker 1: super stars to get paid to play overseas, and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that players are getting paid to
Speaker 1: play there seems to be an issue. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think Rory McElroy should ever get any grief
Speaker 1: from anybody about being I think you should get paid
Speaker 1: to play wherever he plays. He's that good a player.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he is such a great player. He's
Speaker 1: done so many great things. If you want him at
Speaker 1: your tournament, I don't have a problem with a tournament
Speaker 1: doing whatever they have to do to get him to
Speaker 1: play in the tournament. I don't. I don't know fast
Speaker 1: he's done it. You're talking about one of golf, one
Speaker 1: of the golf grades, and um, that doesn't bother me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he's at so him, what gets paid to player
Speaker 1: has never bothered me at all. Um. I think the
Speaker 1: way he has played this year beef with everything that
Speaker 1: you know, he's put on his shoulders that the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour has put on his shoulders. He has effectively been
Speaker 1: the the spokesperson for the p g A Tour, and
Speaker 1: I think the way he has played this year, the
Speaker 1: golf that he has produced, um, when you're around him.
Speaker 1: I was around him a little bit. We played a
Speaker 1: practice round with him at the Open Championship. He played
Speaker 1: with DJ. You can tell it's a weight on his shoulders.
Speaker 1: Have you been surprised how well he's been able to
Speaker 1: perform with all of the things that that that he's
Speaker 1: had to do this year. Yes, And though I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's had a head of a lot and the way
Speaker 1: he's dealt with it, um, I think, yeah, it must
Speaker 1: be really tough. But when you look at how good
Speaker 1: he is as well, I'm not surprised as well, because
Speaker 1: he's just such an incredible player. I mean, it is
Speaker 1: it is crazy how good Rory is. I mean, and
Speaker 1: when he is in full flow, I mean it is
Speaker 1: so much fun to watch. You know, that run that
Speaker 1: he made at at at the FedEx Cup this year,
Speaker 1: at the Tour Championship, I mean you could kind of
Speaker 1: see on the front nine that he started to come.
Speaker 1: He's one of those players, wouldn't you say, beef that
Speaker 1: when Rory kind of gets on a roll. You kind
Speaker 1: of sit back at the popcorn and say this is
Speaker 1: this is going to be fun to watch because it's
Speaker 1: not always say it like if you put him around
Speaker 1: the US Open course or a really tough golf course,
Speaker 1: if he's on, he's going to shoot a number around there,
Speaker 1: that that's how good he is. And now if someone
Speaker 1: else's playing, yeah, we can go around golf course and
Speaker 1: shoot eight nine ted under around golf courses where a
Speaker 1: lot of people are and it's out there, but it's
Speaker 1: the ones where it's not. And when he's on, he
Speaker 1: could set any golf course and make it look easy.
Speaker 1: I think that's where I watch it and think sometimes
Speaker 1: like oh my god, he shot that score around that
Speaker 1: course or whatever it is, and it will hit shots
Speaker 1: that other people can't necessarily hit. I mean the way
Speaker 1: he I mean, you've played with him some of the times.
Speaker 1: When you got with Roaring, you you bust to drive
Speaker 1: and you say, all right, I hit that pretty good,
Speaker 1: and then he's got the freewheel kind of high bomb
Speaker 1: nuke draw on it and he flies you by sixty.
Speaker 1: It's nuts. We played nine holes and over there and
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and yeah, just he hit
Speaker 1: a couple and I was, oh my god, I was like,
Speaker 1: how far is that going? And then even when he
Speaker 1: was hitting sort of like five ions, what impressed me
Speaker 1: most is just how high he hits it as well,
Speaker 1: hit a couple of sort of like mid I and
Speaker 1: five ions, and yeah, the height on it, and you
Speaker 1: think you're like, well, yeah, if you're playing into a
Speaker 1: really firm green or something like that, you need to
Speaker 1: get it to stop quick. He's got a slight advantage
Speaker 1: more than me. I think. One of the other things
Speaker 1: with all of this live PGA Tour drama, um, it's
Speaker 1: pissed me off because it's overshadowed some unbelievable golf this year, right.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought Matt Fitzpatrick, I mean you've played
Speaker 1: a lot of golf with Matt. Um. I thought the
Speaker 1: way Fittigue one that us open um the golf was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He and the gulf that he and Will's allotors were
Speaker 1: producing down the stretch, Um, it was. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: I think what Scotty Scheffler has done this year. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you burst, you know, you burst onto the scene.
Speaker 1: You got on a little bit of a run, you
Speaker 1: know what that feelings like. But to do what Scotty
Speaker 1: Scheffler has done and win majors, have chances to win
Speaker 1: every week. I mean the golf this year has just
Speaker 1: been unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, well Scotty's done this year has
Speaker 1: been insane. And then like to to win one and
Speaker 1: then to turn around he taught him a favorite and
Speaker 1: win that as as well. I think, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: saying about his character and like, yeah, it is the
Speaker 1: main the way it goes about himself. He said he
Speaker 1: looks who like children in control, and you're like, I
Speaker 1: look at him, I think like I was, like, I
Speaker 1: wish I had some of that. I wish I could
Speaker 1: take like that what he had there and that calmness.
Speaker 1: That would be one of the things I'd look at
Speaker 1: and be like if I could do if I was
Speaker 1: put back in that position. There's there's a difference in
Speaker 1: some of it, and like why everyone is rooting for you.
Speaker 1: You're not putting too much pressure on yourself and he's
Speaker 1: just going out and doing what he does and playing
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's been it's been amazing. Can Open him
Speaker 1: and Rory's battle at the Open that there's been so
Speaker 1: much good golf. Man, So let's take a short break
Speaker 1: and we will be back right after this. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get back to the interview. You mentioned that when
Speaker 1: you're playing good and you know that you're playing good,
Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated because I'm on the other side of it. Right.
Speaker 1: My job is to try and help players improve, play well,
Speaker 1: reach their potential. But when you are on runs beef
Speaker 1: and you know that you've you're playing good, you know
Speaker 1: that your swing is in in good shape, you're hitting
Speaker 1: the shots that you want, You're able to control the
Speaker 1: shape the way that you want. Is it hard to,
Speaker 1: like you said, to to do what Scotty Shuffler has done,
Speaker 1: which is have a calmness about you when you're in
Speaker 1: that moment, because I would imagine it's really hard to
Speaker 1: not put pressure on yourself because you know you are
Speaker 1: playing well. Yeah, I think it's keeping really grounded. I
Speaker 1: think that's the key. And like he said, like some
Speaker 1: of the interviewer has said, and how grounded he is.
Speaker 1: I think that's so key because yeah, he's playing good
Speaker 1: golf and he's like, well, nothing changes, I'm playing great golf.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep playing great golf. If I don't
Speaker 1: play too great, I'm still the same Scotty Cheffler. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, you know. And I think I think that
Speaker 1: is keeping grounded. And where I blew up, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it was like a deer in headlights.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fund is going on here?
Speaker 1: This is insane? Like why is everyone shouting at me?
Speaker 1: And stuff like that? And I just couldn't sort of
Speaker 1: like handle it because I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on. And like,
Speaker 1: you watch him and he's just like it could be
Speaker 1: sort of playing with his mates almost he walks around
Speaker 1: and it looks it looks like he's been doing that
Speaker 1: for about their years. Do you think there is a
Speaker 1: solution in all of this? From a dp World standpoint,
Speaker 1: from a PGA tour standpoint, from a live standpoint, do
Speaker 1: you think where do you see this in your opinion
Speaker 1: a year from now, two years from now? Do you
Speaker 1: think it's the camps are the camps? There's one side
Speaker 1: over here and there's one side over there, and or
Speaker 1: do you see that cooler heads will prevail and a
Speaker 1: solution so that we don't have this divide um. Do
Speaker 1: you see that happening currently? Not at the moment. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I would love to see? You know,
Speaker 1: do you ever see the cricket the i p L,
Speaker 1: the Indian Premier League. I would love to have seen
Speaker 1: something like that. So like the PGA DP to or
Speaker 1: play until August or whatever it is, end of July August,
Speaker 1: that's their season, right and then you have lived series,
Speaker 1: but it goes into a draft for the forty eight
Speaker 1: players every season, so you get people who've had like
Speaker 1: great years and then they get into this big bonus
Speaker 1: thing and then they played two three months of live
Speaker 1: tournaments that are amped up and team events and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and you could potentially have the teams with
Speaker 1: the draft picking the players. I think I'd sit there
Speaker 1: and I'd watch the draft to be honest and be
Speaker 1: more excited. Who's going to pick him in this team?
Speaker 1: And you would have like the twelve captains and they
Speaker 1: can have say who they want to play in their
Speaker 1: team and see what budget how much they you could
Speaker 1: pay for players every year, And I think that that
Speaker 1: could have been so much fun and a massive bonus,
Speaker 1: and then everyone wins because every wants still playing both
Speaker 1: tours and then everyone's still trying to hunt to get
Speaker 1: into the LIFT Series after the season finished. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think there are huge opportunities, um, and I
Speaker 1: think that hopefully cooler heads will prevail. Do you still
Speaker 1: think that, um the money aspect um, the guaranteed money aspect,
Speaker 1: the prize money aspect um. I I think I think
Speaker 1: it's hilarious where there's you know, there's players going Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you know, if you want, if you're one
Speaker 1: of those players, then yeah, I mean, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: lives for you. I'm thinking, isn't everybody one of those players?
Speaker 1: Isn't everybody a kind of player that wants to to
Speaker 1: to make money and and and yeah, winning tournaments is great,
Speaker 1: but part of winning tournaments is you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: win a lot of money. Yeah. Again, it's people's choice, right,
Speaker 1: People got a choice. And that's where I think I'll
Speaker 1: come a bit unstuck about it. And it was so
Speaker 1: sort of one sided, and as I hang on, people
Speaker 1: got choice there. It's not like, yeah, it's not like
Speaker 1: nothing crazy is happening, like all the other sports, go
Speaker 1: get Saudi fund a European Tour dptor playing in Saudi
Speaker 1: whatever three years ago. So it's like, you can't call
Speaker 1: it bad that it's Saudi backed in some respects because
Speaker 1: Formula one goes there, the boxing's being there, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And I think the golf has got made to look
Speaker 1: really bad. But it's people's choice. People have a choice.
Speaker 1: They're not doing anything bad. It's people's choice if they
Speaker 1: want to go and play it. And I think it
Speaker 1: should be as simple as that. It shouldn't get I
Speaker 1: don't think it should have been made as bad that
Speaker 1: people have gone to play. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that think, UM, one of the big losers in
Speaker 1: all of this PGA Tour versus Live battle is the
Speaker 1: DP World Tour, the European Tour, that that they are
Speaker 1: not what maybe they once work um as as a
Speaker 1: member of the DP World Tour. I mean it's where
Speaker 1: you made your home. UM. I know you're you. You
Speaker 1: have a lot of um allegiances to the tour that
Speaker 1: gave you a start. Um, Where does the DP World
Speaker 1: Tour come out in all of this in a year? Car,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Only time will tell. UM, only time
Speaker 1: will tell. Obviously they've done that they would PGA Tour
Speaker 1: and it's the top ten players, isn't it Basically we'll
Speaker 1: get a PGA Tour card I mean for someone else. So,
Speaker 1: I mean that's huge incentive. That's a huge that's a
Speaker 1: massive in setting for me and for a lot of players.
Speaker 1: You can't be looking at it from a player point
Speaker 1: of view, going the highlight the bigger picture, the tour
Speaker 1: necessarily almost being a feed at all to the PGA
Speaker 1: doesn't look good. But for the players, you're thinking, hang
Speaker 1: on it. I've got a good chance of getting over
Speaker 1: to the PGA Tour as well. So I think from
Speaker 1: a player point of view, I think we should be
Speaker 1: pretty happy about it in some sense. But from where
Speaker 1: the tour is going and being almost controlled a bit
Speaker 1: more by the PGA Tour, that's probably not the best thing,
Speaker 1: is it. Yeah. I mean, so if you've got advice
Speaker 1: to give, if you could sit with Keith Pelly for
Speaker 1: ten minutes and say, Pelly, this is what I see things.
Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of my opinion, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you my opinion on what I think you
Speaker 1: should do. Um, what would be some advice that you
Speaker 1: would give so that the dp World Tour stays relevant
Speaker 1: and and keeps good players because my worry, Like you said,
Speaker 1: if you're a player, yeah, you're gonna want to get
Speaker 1: to the PGA Tour. You're gonna want to be one
Speaker 1: of those ten guys that goes. But also every year
Speaker 1: the ten best players are leaving your tour. Yeah that
Speaker 1: the this is as a set for a player point
Speaker 1: of view, it's good. From uh the EP to point,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's great. Um. I've always said, well,
Speaker 1: I've seen both sides of it, and you'll know it
Speaker 1: as well. A lot of like the guys who are
Speaker 1: always John Rams, um Fitzpatrick's people like that West, whatever
Speaker 1: the extents, and obviously they have a minimum amount of events,
Speaker 1: which is four events because they're doing the players favor
Speaker 1: for Ryder Cup. Yeah. I mean to me, that's the
Speaker 1: crazy thing about all of this is you know this
Speaker 1: idea of you know, the live guys being bad, but
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, to get more guys part
Speaker 1: of the europe to get the John Rams of the
Speaker 1: world who are going to play their golf on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. I mean, you've got to play four European
Speaker 1: Tour events and w G w g C S count
Speaker 1: Major's count and then you've got to maybe come over
Speaker 1: and play one the other, and you're probably gonna come play.
Speaker 1: You know. Now that Scottish Opens PGA Tour event and
Speaker 1: co sanctioned, you can come over and do that. And
Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, Patrick Reid. You know, Patrick
Speaker 1: Read played a schedule. He played a lot of tournaments
Speaker 1: in Europe um and not just the big ones, not
Speaker 1: just the easy ones. I mean I think it's easy.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I love Billy Hoe, He's a hell
Speaker 1: of a player. But Billy has played what like six
Speaker 1: European Tour events, and it's not like he played back
Speaker 1: to back. He didn't play Czechoslovakia and Holland back to
Speaker 1: back weeks, right, I mean the guys that have historically
Speaker 1: gone over from the PGA Tour to the European Tour.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't come up with a more definable
Speaker 1: cherry picking than Abu Dhabi, Dubai, China, HSBC, maybe went
Speaker 1: Worth and then Scottish Open. I mean, those are those
Speaker 1: are the big ones. Yeah. See, yeah, I've seen both
Speaker 1: sides of it, and I just think sometimes they could
Speaker 1: look after the core of the players a bit better
Speaker 1: in some sense. So the guys who playing twenty five events,
Speaker 1: twenty events year in year out. Other guys are filling
Speaker 1: the fields every week, and yeah, obviously, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden some will get shutted out, like the Scottish Open,
Speaker 1: which I didn't think was great. They've played, we got
Speaker 1: asked to play all these tournaments through COVID and and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden in one of the biggest
Speaker 1: events in Europe. And I just think I need to
Speaker 1: be wary of like looking after the players, the bigger
Speaker 1: core of players, rather than the superstars as well. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes the balance is way off. And
Speaker 1: yes they're superstars, Yes they do people people want to see,
Speaker 1: but these are the guys that also have kept the
Speaker 1: toll going as well in some sense, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: And I think it is I think one of the
Speaker 1: things to come out of all of this debate between
Speaker 1: the tour and the PGA Tour and Live is you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, everybody wants to play on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: And I don't fault anybody that plays golf on any tour.
Speaker 1: Um if somebody wants to pay you, I mean, if
Speaker 1: if Abu Dhabi, Dubai, China, whoever, want to pay you
Speaker 1: to come. You're not getting paid if you're a hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty on the money list, You're you're not getting
Speaker 1: paid to go play other places if you're not. I
Speaker 1: actually believe that the only way you get paid to
Speaker 1: play for money is you earn that right through your play.
Speaker 1: You can't be a rank and file guy that barely
Speaker 1: keeps his card every year, that really never contends in
Speaker 1: big tournaments, doesn't win big tournaments. You're not going to
Speaker 1: get an offer to go play for money because you
Speaker 1: haven't earned that offer. They're there for a reason. The players,
Speaker 1: they're superstars, are there, and they're called superstars because the
Speaker 1: ones that are playing outrageously incredible golf week in week out,
Speaker 1: competing um winning mobile times every year. And I think,
Speaker 1: and I think, Beef, you know more than anybody, having
Speaker 1: played both in Europe and in the States, Like any
Speaker 1: player that would from any tour that isn't you know,
Speaker 1: whether they're from Europe, Asia, South Africa, any international player
Speaker 1: that qualifies and gets full status on the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: somebody that's done that, you look at them and go
Speaker 1: make congrats. Man. That's that's that's life changing. You've now
Speaker 1: got an opportunity if you play well, to to change
Speaker 1: the trajectory of your life because you're basically I mean
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like you're a great striker, you know,
Speaker 1: in at Celtic Arrangers and then you go play, you
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to start at Arsenal or Chelsea or
Speaker 1: Man you and you go, now, now, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: stay up here in Scotland. And you know I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be We're not in the Champions League this year,
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna I'm gonna stay up here, you know,
Speaker 1: as as as a football, or if you get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go play in England for a big club,
Speaker 1: if you get an opportunity to go to Spain or
Speaker 1: Italy and play for one of the Giants as a
Speaker 1: football or you would look at somebody else on your
Speaker 1: team and go, we we hate losing you, but mate,
Speaker 1: you've got to go real Madrid wants you, yeah, go
Speaker 1: What else? What else can you say? And that's what
Speaker 1: I said about the guy has gone over to live.
Speaker 1: It's like fair play, like no, likee, I don't have
Speaker 1: an issue with it. Fair play You've got and made
Speaker 1: that choice. What what what I've said is. I said
Speaker 1: it the other day and it was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think if you ask me if massive sums of money
Speaker 1: like that, I'm playing and live offence. I said, like,
Speaker 1: obviously you've got the guys that you explained, and I
Speaker 1: didn't really realize that obviously. Yeah, they've earned the right
Speaker 1: to play whatever events through the past that they want
Speaker 1: to play, because I would never have that. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I wouldn't take anything thoughts of court. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, just fire up the barbecue a bit more
Speaker 1: man hanging out. But yeah, that that made a little
Speaker 1: more sense thince you explain that. But east of their
Speaker 1: own man, I'm not fussed you mentioned barbecue. Um through
Speaker 1: your injury. Um, we've got a beef. We've got a
Speaker 1: podcast now beefs Golf Club. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that I'm super excited about YouTube a barbecue channel. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a name nicknamed like the Beef,
Speaker 1: I mean, what talk to me about talking to me
Speaker 1: about the grill skills, I mean, and tell me about it. Oh, man,
Speaker 1: I just love it. I absolutely love it. And where
Speaker 1: we travel a lot and I'm always looking for restaurants
Speaker 1: where everywhere they always cooked over fire. And I've been
Speaker 1: lucky enough to meet, yeah, a lot of good chefs,
Speaker 1: and I was picking it or constantly picking their brains.
Speaker 1: How would you cook that, How would you cook that cat?
Speaker 1: What would you do with that? And then I was like,
Speaker 1: hang on, I was like, we need to make a
Speaker 1: barbecue ce series here because I can't be the only
Speaker 1: person question how to cook this stuff. And I was
Speaker 1: like right, I was like, We've got the time, and
Speaker 1: I was like, let's just do it. Let's go for it. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: create a little series called Barbecue Better with Beef, and
Speaker 1: then yeah, you'll learn how to cook loads of different
Speaker 1: stuff from paila to big pork chops, big steaks, American
Speaker 1: style Texas barbecue, um, everything, man. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the idea, is to have a real big variety and
Speaker 1: you could basically cook anything over fire. Some of the
Speaker 1: restaurants I've been to some of the best things I've eaten, Honestly,
Speaker 1: some of the edge some of the salads that they've
Speaker 1: cooked over fire just changes the taste. And I've tried
Speaker 1: it a few times. I've messed them up a few times. Um,
Speaker 1: but when you get it right, there's nothing better. Man,
Speaker 1: There's nothing better than fire cooked food. There's just nothing better.
Speaker 1: Have you watched um uh Netflix Chef's Table, the first series,
Speaker 1: the guy in um, what's that guy? The guy in
Speaker 1: Argentina that's cooking all the stuff who wears the beret.
Speaker 1: I mean I watched that episode. I watched that episode.
Speaker 1: I follow him on Instagram and I watched that and
Speaker 1: I'm literally I'm like my dog, I'm salivating. There is
Speaker 1: something about um, you know, traveling in the US. You
Speaker 1: go to Memphis, you go to the South, you go
Speaker 1: to Texas, I mean you get barbecue. So I mean
Speaker 1: every year in Houston, in Dallas there's that day on
Speaker 1: the range where they've got the barbecue smoker on the range.
Speaker 1: I mean, guys are lining up and and and they
Speaker 1: haven't even started, um serving. It's unbelievable. That was Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my biggest problem plan in America. That was
Speaker 1: the biggest problem. Everywhere. Get to a different set in
Speaker 1: a blur a right, where can we go and find
Speaker 1: some more barbecue? Um yeah, I mean yeah, some of
Speaker 1: the food I there's just incredible. And again that's enough.
Speaker 1: That's another bit of motivation for me to get back
Speaker 1: as well, because as so many more barbecue places I
Speaker 1: need to try. What, um, what's your favorite? Um, I
Speaker 1: mean you and you've gotta you've gotta find a way
Speaker 1: to get Jimmy Walker. Um, you do need to get
Speaker 1: hooked up because I mean, you talk about somebody that's
Speaker 1: you know, deep deep, deep down the rabbit hole of grilling.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got this new contraption. Have you seen
Speaker 1: that thing on his Instagram where it's like a new
Speaker 1: grill where the where the thing goes up and down.
Speaker 1: I mean it's unbelievable. I mean, yeah, you gotta read.
Speaker 1: You gotta reach out to him and see if you
Speaker 1: can get one. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I follow Instagram and
Speaker 1: yeah I'm constantly watching what he's doing and stuff like
Speaker 1: that and any ideas, but yeah, this stuff looks wicked, man. Um.
Speaker 1: The podcast Beefs Clubhouse, talk to me about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: biggest golf club. It's it's well basically creating the world's
Speaker 1: greatest golf club. Man. Everyone's welcome and every week we're
Speaker 1: just gonna be chatting about different topics to do with golf.
Speaker 1: So it could be literally anything from clothes, bunkers, putting
Speaker 1: whatever it is and just basically, you know how I
Speaker 1: am a lighthearted take on on golf and just want
Speaker 1: everyone to come and listen and join the golf club
Speaker 1: man and let's have a laugh. Are you excited about
Speaker 1: these things that you're able to do that? You're obviously
Speaker 1: passionate about that right now, even though you are injured.
Speaker 1: You'd much rather be playing golf. But it gives you
Speaker 1: another avenue of of an outlet for yourself mentally, for
Speaker 1: your creativity and for people. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: people kind of have an idea of what you're like
Speaker 1: on the golf course and that persona, but obviously through
Speaker 1: social media in two you can you can point the
Speaker 1: lens back at yourself and people get kind of a
Speaker 1: deep dive into what you're all about. I could have
Speaker 1: sat here for a year not doing anything. I could
Speaker 1: have said for like a whole season, and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: we've got the time. It's something I want to do,
Speaker 1: and I like to the things that involve everyone. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a barbecue in and if we can bring a
Speaker 1: series where people can come and learn how to barbecue
Speaker 1: things and try different recipes, try something they've necessarily not
Speaker 1: necessarily cooked um, why not? Yeah, why not share it?
Speaker 1: Same as podcast. It's like, look, let's share golf. Let's
Speaker 1: have a laugh together. Like, show me some of the
Speaker 1: best worst shots that you guys have hit, show me
Speaker 1: some of the funniest clothes you've seen people wear, or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'll show you. I'll tell you some of the worst
Speaker 1: shots I've hit, best shots I've hit, whatever. And it's
Speaker 1: like everyone's welcome. Everyone's gonna have some funny takes on
Speaker 1: golf and and good and bad. But it's like, let's
Speaker 1: talk about it together. I had a I had a player.
Speaker 1: I think it was last year or maybe within the
Speaker 1: last two years. I posted on Instagram young kids. You
Speaker 1: know the kid. You know, we've got his own track. Man. Um,
Speaker 1: it's got the mural blades. You know, he's got the
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar Scotty Cameron Potter, he's got the he's
Speaker 1: got the tour head from Tailor made. But it's got
Speaker 1: some you know, ballistic xylon shaft and everything this guy's got.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got the fifteen thou dollar golf back.
Speaker 1: And this kid's trying to play. Look really nice kid,
Speaker 1: you know, not on any tour and stuff, but I
Speaker 1: mean his his his his equipment costs more than some
Speaker 1: people's car. So he's got these, you know, murdered out
Speaker 1: Mura blades and everything. It's got iron covers, beef on
Speaker 1: all his clubs, iron covers with the numbers and the
Speaker 1: p I'm like, your your clubs cost five grand. You've
Speaker 1: got iron covers on him. He's like, yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: to take care of him. Like no, no, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is like you can't drive up, you can't have
Speaker 1: a Ferrari and then you know, put a cover over it, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta let that out. You just keep quiet until
Speaker 1: he hits a little stone in a fair way. Bunker chips,
Speaker 1: that's seven chips, the seven nine them head covers will
Speaker 1: be off. Oh it's one of the worst. Um. Lastly,
Speaker 1: when do we assue back on the golf course. We've
Speaker 1: gotta get you back on the golf course. I don't
Speaker 1: have an answer, man, um I've got no idea, honestly,
Speaker 1: no idea. I'm hoping sooner and later, um, as I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try it everything I can and when
Speaker 1: when the time's right, the time will be right. But
Speaker 1: I've got no answers, and I just have to be patient,
Speaker 1: but I'll be back and like I said, I've got
Speaker 1: a lot of years left and I'm hungry. And my goal,
Speaker 1: my goal this year, I had one goal and that
Speaker 1: was to make Ryder Cup team. That that was the goal.
Speaker 1: And now that's still possible if I get fit. I've
Speaker 1: still got a lot of time left. If I can
Speaker 1: get fit and play a whole season next season, I
Speaker 1: still believe I can do it. I still believe I
Speaker 1: can win tournaments. As long as that fires there, I'm
Speaker 1: still going to keep going. So I'll find a way
Speaker 1: to get back out on the golf course. I don't
Speaker 1: know when that would be, but I'll be back out
Speaker 1: there and I'll still be yeah, as I said, trying
Speaker 1: to win tournaments, trying to get over to the States,
Speaker 1: and trying to play right the Cups. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's my ambition. Still. Well, we're all pulling for you.
Speaker 1: We want you to get healthy and silver lining your
Speaker 1: football team. I mean, talk to me, I mean, how
Speaker 1: optimistic are I know it's early days, but I mean
Speaker 1: you've got to feel like you're in You're in a
Speaker 1: good spot. You know what I said about keeping grounded earlier.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that just gotta steak are man.
Speaker 1: The start, they've had some incredible and like what the
Speaker 1: manager's done has been amazing. Um yeah, he's basically swap
Speaker 1: the whole team out in a couple of seasons. There's
Speaker 1: there's not many players left that were there when he
Speaker 1: first come and it's not that's not easy to do, man.
Speaker 1: So look, I think I think everyone's turned their head
Speaker 1: and all the fans Arsenal were in a funny place.
Speaker 1: All the fans were in a miserable place, and he's
Speaker 1: really changed the atmosphere of it at the moment. Uh
Speaker 1: so yeah, let's just have fun, man, see where they go.
Speaker 1: But it's going to be I think near an import
Speaker 1: of all. Let's beat man say, let's be honest, Well,
Speaker 1: just just pump the brakes, manage the expectations. Don't get
Speaker 1: too far ahead of yourself. Um, look after yourself, mate,
Speaker 1: and uh everybody listening, we wish you the best and
Speaker 1: then and hope we see you back. Um we want
Speaker 1: to continue to see you doing the barbecue series, but
Speaker 1: um we want to see you making uh birdies and
Speaker 1: eagles and and having chances to win golf tournaments made
Speaker 1: cheers Man, so that was Beef well to thank him
Speaker 1: for coming on, and I'm I'm definitely rooting for that kid. UM.
Speaker 1: Hope he gets healthy and hopefully we can see him
Speaker 1: back playing golf sometime very very soon. So let's get
Speaker 1: two questions, UM, how do you deal with expectation management
Speaker 1: when you're teaching listen as an instructor, as a coach.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that we're always
Speaker 1: trying to do with players is manage their expectations. I've
Speaker 1: a lot of recreational golfers have sometimes really really misguided
Speaker 1: UM goals, misunderstandings of their games. So I think your
Speaker 1: job as an instructor is to is to help your
Speaker 1: players manage their expectations because I think golfers sometimes they
Speaker 1: get sidetracked. They think they should be better than they
Speaker 1: need to be. And I think one of the things
Speaker 1: that the best players in the world do is is
Speaker 1: manage their expectations. They know sometimes that shooting you know,
Speaker 1: two three under UM without their best stuff is a
Speaker 1: really good score. And I think the average UM recreational
Speaker 1: golfers is way way too hard on themselves. UM. And
Speaker 1: I think if if golfers in general can manage their
Speaker 1: expectations better then UM, I definitely think they would score
Speaker 1: better for sure. UM. There's another question, best fundamentals to
Speaker 1: work on in the golf swing. Listen, I think there's
Speaker 1: so much information out there with regards to golf instruction now,
Speaker 1: and I think, UM, over the course of a year,
Speaker 1: you know, sive days working with players that are playing
Speaker 1: competitively and playing on whatever tour they're playing around the world,
Speaker 1: I think people would be surprised at how much the
Speaker 1: fundamentals massively affect the rest of the game. UM. Alignment,
Speaker 1: ball position, Uh, you know, set up stuff, all stuff
Speaker 1: that happens before you hit the golf ball. And I
Speaker 1: think in two a lot of times that stuff just
Speaker 1: goes completely um under the radar. You don't think about
Speaker 1: where you're aiming, you don't think about where the ball
Speaker 1: position is, you don't think about what your posture is,
Speaker 1: and those things dramatically affect the dynamic movement pattern that
Speaker 1: you're going to have in your golf swing on how
Speaker 1: the golf club is going to be swung. Um. If
Speaker 1: the ball position gets too far back at the all
Speaker 1: position gets too far forward, if you're too far too close,
Speaker 1: if for whatever shape you're trying to hit where you're
Speaker 1: aiming is is a huge part of this. So UM,
Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna work on things in your
Speaker 1: golf swing, the fundamentals they don't change. UM. Grip stance, posture,
Speaker 1: alignment is massive. And if you can get into the
Speaker 1: same set up every time, if you can have the
Speaker 1: same ball position, distance from the golf ball posture, if
Speaker 1: that can kind of become part of yours d n
Speaker 1: A as a player. I think that is a fantastic
Speaker 1: way to start because a lot of times I think
Speaker 1: players are working on all this stuff that they think
Speaker 1: is super super fancy UM, and really, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, basic fundamentals UM doesn't take any athletic
Speaker 1: ability or golf ability to set up to a golf
Speaker 1: ball with the right ball position, posture, and alignment. So fundamentals,
Speaker 1: regardless of what level you're at, still have a massive,
Speaker 1: massive effect on your ability to hit the golf ball. Uh.
Speaker 1: So I want to thank everybody for listening. UM. We've
Speaker 1: got some great episodes. If you haven't gone back and
Speaker 1: check them out, please do. If you have people that
Speaker 1: are interested in golf. UM I like to listen and
Speaker 1: and and hear stories about golf, tell them about the podcast.
Speaker 1: The more people we get listening, the better, and um,
Speaker 1: we're excited. We're gonna have some good guests coming up
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. Some of a Bich comes to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.