WEBVTT - Andrew 'Beef' Johnston 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.559 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast comes to you 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:14.360 every Wednesday. I am your host, Claude Harmon. This week's guest, UM, 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.640 really one of my favorite people in golf, Andrew Beef 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:25.320 Johnson Beef um first onto the scene two thousand sixteen. UM, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.000 and a fan favorite. But he's been struggling. Poor guy 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.200 has been struggling with injuries and uh, he can't get healthy. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.360 So I wanted to reach out talk to him. He's 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.000 got some new stuff that he's doing kind of away 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.440 from golf as well social wise, and I just want 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.559 to kind of get his takes. 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I changed coach last year and 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.640 I started to play some really good golf back end 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.920 of the year, and I was ready for this season 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.480 to come out and and start playing again, you know, 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.560 and work my way back up. Um. And then all 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.720 of a sudden, it was like banging overnight. It's like, okay, 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.320 I'm not going to go to Middle East, and all 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.960 of a sudden you start digging in more and looking 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:50.800 what's wrong in my hand? No one can figure it out. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.840 And it's been basically the whole season, which has been insane. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.040 It's got to be really frustrating. Um. You know when 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.560 you do get injured, um that no one seems to 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.520 be able to tell you what the problem is. You're 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.360 you're saying before we started recording, you went and saw 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.520 a Chinese doctor today. I mean, you're trying to leave 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.880 no stone unturned to try and get back to fitness. Yeah, 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.640 you just gotta take everything off the list. I haven't 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.719 been happy with what the specialists said. And so where'd 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.560 you go next? I've got told about this doctor. So 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.200 I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try pretty much anything to 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.440 get back out on the golf course. Man um left 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.840 thumb or right thumb? Left left? Oh? I mean that's 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:38.280 I mean you mean, I mean, I think everybody in golf, 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.160 you know that that plays professional golf and the fans, 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.480 everybody knows that backs and necks or brutal for for 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:49.320 for golfers. But anytime there's a lingering issue in the 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.480 wrist or the hand, I mean, that is your connection 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.599 to the golf club. I mean, you can swing a 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.760 golf club with a bad back and maybe try and 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.840 kind of cheat one out there, but you've got to 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.680 hold onto the golf club. And if it's the left farm, 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.839 I mean, it's got to be painful when you're trying 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.800 to hit golf balls and just even hold the golf club. Yeah. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.040 The problem is at the moment is I'll hit like 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.120 ten eight irons and it feels okay, and then I'll 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.240 hit one more and all of a sudden, it's back 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.880 to square one with a lot of pain, sharp pain. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.760 And that's with a nator and let alone picking up 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:28.760 a driver or anything. So originally, what was the diagnosis? 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.680 I've had loads? Um, Yeah, I've had loads. Man. One 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.080 was a classification in the ligament in my thumb, and 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.039 they gave me an injection so they get rid of it. 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.240 If it doesn't do surgery, take it out. Two weeks 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:47.000 went by, nothing happened. Um. Then he changed his mind. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.880 Then that scared me. So then I saw someone else. Um, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.320 they said one thing again and then changed their mind. Um. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.360 And then I saw him again and they were just like, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.880 we're not sure what it is. Basic le um. So 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.920 I was almost back to square one again. They did 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.120 say maybe you should just get a golf club back 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.560 in your hand and start a rehab program. And I 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.680 was like, well, what exactly are we rehab in here? 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.120 And they couldn't answer it. So I was like, well, 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.359 what's the point, man? That's just that's crazy. That And 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.800 I mean, as an athlete, like you said, if if, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.279 if you're going to see somebody for an injury and 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.160 they tell you to go down one route and then 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.159 two weeks later they tell you to go down another route, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.920 you're that's a that's a that's tough for for someone 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.760 to mentally come to terms with. You're like, wait, we're 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.680 going down this route. We think this is gonna work, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.320 and now two weeks later we're not. We're not going 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.760 down this road. It's brew. It's the worst thing you 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:50.720 could say, I think, to anyone, because once they say that, 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.480 you sort of have your brain set out and what's 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.240 going to happen. So, Okay, after two weeks we do surgery. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.000 How long is surgery going to be and how long's rehab? Oh, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.040 you probably take four weeks rest and then another of 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.279 four weeks. Three you have so you've got da da Okay, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.400 I should be to go back at this tournament and 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.240 you you map it out on your head and then 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.080 you turn up two weeks later and then it's like, yeah, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.120 we don't know, so what's the time frame? We don't know. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.720 And I'm like, well, you're left You're left in like 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.560 limbo basically, and you can't really I mean, it's not 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.640 like you can work on your game. I mean, does 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.200 it hurt to put or can you can you put? 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.080 Does that hurt it? No, it doesn't. It doesn't hurt 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.280 to put. But I mean when you've got no idea 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.560 of when you're playing next, it's pretty hard. I would 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.720 be putting for nine months now it's months right now, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.720 you're brad faction, right, I mean, you're you're hooping it 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:47.920 from everywhere. I mean, if if you as an athlete, 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.480 you train, you you you get to where you want 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.320 to get to, to get on the European Tour, you 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.040 have that breakout year in sixteen, you get to the 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.040 PGA Tour, which is, you know, the holy grail for 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.920 golfers to to get an opportunity to play in the US. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.440 And you know, now through and you're going through the 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.640 pandemic you've had a baby, you're you're injured now. I mean, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:15.280 is it hard to to mentally stay upbeat because You've 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.040 been pretty honest in the past about even when things 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.080 were going good that sometimes you struggle on the course 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.760 mentally you throw all this ship into the mix. I mean, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:28.760 it's got a testament, mate, Like I think I've retired 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:33.920 about four times this year already. Um, yeah, it is. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:39.480 It's it's difficult. You know. It's because as a player, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.480 I feel like on my day I can play with 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.560 the best, you know, hang with the best, and it's 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.720 so frustrating not being able to play in the best 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.760 tournaments and feel like, I think that's the hard attachment. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:53.120 If I was playing really ship and struggling, you could 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.760 almost accept it. But where like every time I come 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.720 back and I have a run of a few months 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:03.480 and I start playing good golf again, and you know 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.360 he's still there and you know I can get up there. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.000 I just need a run of a few years injury free. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.480 Whatever it is that still drives me because I know 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.480 I can, I can play, and when I play good golf, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.880 I can I can play and compete against some of 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.280 the best in the world. So that that does keep 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.560 you interested, if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean for sure. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.360 I mean you've seen that. You know, you got into 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.760 the hunt at the Open Championship. Um, you know you've 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.679 you want a tournament on a really really iconic European 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.200 kind of tour golf course in valve Rama where you 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.160 can't fake it around that golf course, and then you 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.880 played on the PGA Tour. Um, you can't even set 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.720 any goals right now because no one can get you 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:51.200 a diagnosis. I mean do you feel like, um, you've 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.680 got to keep trying to find the right doctor, the 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.880 right physio that can kind of point you in a 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.760 direction that you can kind of touch and feel and 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:05.360 even and see some positive progress in in what the 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.760 diagnosis is. Yeah, definitely. I think I've learned a lot 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.520 this year in terms of myself away from the golf course, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:18.679 and um, I'm so hard on myself all the time, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:26.480 and that is really not helpful at all, and you know, 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.280 take a step back away from it and going like, 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.560 you know, when I come back, maybe we need to 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.360 do things a little differently. I want to change the 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.720 lifestyle a little differently as well and see if I can, yeah, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.120 make a few adjustments and see if that helps. I think, 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:47.760 and I think like lifestyle adjustment and saying no to 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:52.679 a lot more things as well, and like to be honest. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.880 All sports people and successful people have to be pretty 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.400 selfish to be honest, and I need to be more selfish, 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.000 to be brutally honest. And I think they are the 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.240 things that I've realized, and it's like, hopefully I can. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.000 I can sort this this injury out, become a bit 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.160 more selfish, use my time a lot better than I 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.720 have done in the past, and we'll see where it 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.240 takes us. But as I said when I when I 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.680 sit here, I still think that, you know, if I 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.720 can get myself fit, I'll get back playing and it 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.119 won't say long to get back into stride of playing tournaments. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.959 And I still have ambitions getting back out to PJ 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.240 Tour winning events UM as well. So as long as 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.719 that fire still there, I'm going to keep battling. Man. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.920 I guess one of the saving racist is UM with 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.200 all this time after not only through the pandemic, but 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.200 also when you are injured, you could spend a lot 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.320 more time UM at home with the family. UM. You know, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.120 has it been kind of a blessing as as as 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.480 much as the injury has been, you know, destructive in 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.280 your life professionally, you get to spend time with with 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.920 your family, with your with your child and you know, 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.280 be a dad. Yeah, it's always the bigger picture. You know. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:05.760 Golf just golf, And I've already thought about if someone 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.600 turned around so you can never play again. You just 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.280 gotta take it on the chair, move on. You know, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.559 it's not the end of the world, right, It's it's 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.120 a small part um in relation to a lot of 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.560 important things. And yeah, having time with family and the 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.920 little one and having that I think that perspective key 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.400 this year has been really important not to take it, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.400 yeah as as serious, be too hard on myself as 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.400 I have done. And a lot of people won't see 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.120 that obviously, they see like the joker and person en 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.079 looves to have fun. But away, you know, I'm like 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.200 working hard. And if I come off a golf course 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.080 and I'm not happy with something, you know, I take 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:45.560 it to heart as well. And how do we give better? 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.199 How how can I do that? How can I get better? 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.200 How can we improve that? And I push it too hard? 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.520 So it is it's having that perspective, and um, I think, yeah, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.280 as I said, next time around, be a lot more 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.480 yeah bits off for myself, a lot more chilled out. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.680 I think it's the key. It sounds silly, but yeah, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.600 I need to just be, yeah, a little more chilled 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.120 out about where my game is that all the time, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:12.080 and not putting too much pressure on myself every every round, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.920 every week. You know, when you when you came out 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.880 and you were having success and stuff, I think part 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.000 of the reason why the fans took to you so 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.920 much as there was someone you were, somebody that they 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.400 could kind of that seems really really genuine. You know 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.760 that that you you had this smile, you had this 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.160 kind of um enjoyment when you played golf that you know, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.280 not so much disbelief, but when you when you were 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.480 having success, Um, you're I still remember watching your interview 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.920 when when you want in in Spain and they're asking 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:45.400 you what you're doing, You're like, I'm just gonna go 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.600 get hammered with my with my mates. I mean, I 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.000 think that's that's one of the great qualities that you've got, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.120 that you You've never been one to kind of give 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:57.560 the kind of corporate kind of suit answer that you know, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.800 this is the kind of sheet that you read from 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.320 when you give interviews. You've you've always just kind of 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.040 worn your heart on your sleeping been you Yeah, because 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.760 it's that's a rubbish, isn't it. It's like when when 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.000 you start going down that room, it's it's not a ship, 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.600 to be honest, And I just say how it is? 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.600 That there's nothing wrong with saying how it is? Oh, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.000 you're you're you're telling me, like other people don't go 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.920 when a tournament and geting party and celebrate and get hammered. 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:22.880 I mean you're telling me they're going to go home 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.720 and like clean their golf clubs, like come off it, man, yeah, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.040 like so so like just say how it is? Man, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with it? Do you do? 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:38.600 You feel like we are? I mean, golf is constantly changing, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.080 and I think you know, you and I have talked 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:46.080 about this, you know privately, golf has to evolve and 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.000 keep changing in order to get more people into the sport, right, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.920 I mean, the sport, in my opinion, just isn't going 0:14:54.000 --> 0:15:00.119 to reach another new audience if it's more rules, more 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.360 kind of stuffiness, more kind of you know, you can't 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.840 wear your hat backwards, you can't look a certain way. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.960 I mean, that was one of the things that I 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.520 loved about, you know, the way that you were on 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.560 tour is you're like, hey, this is the way I look, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.760 this is why I dressed. This is kind of who 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.200 I am. And you know there are a lot of 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.320 people that look at that. No, you know that's not 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:25.400 the way golf should be at all. Yeah, man, And 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.600 like for as I said, if I wanted to play 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.800 with my mates and we wanted to have a few 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.160 beers on the golf course and they've been working a week, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.160 working hard a week, and they want to go and 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.040 relax and have a good time. I have a few beers, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.360 play some music, whatever, ware hat backwards. Who gives a 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.320 ship like this is the thing who cares like it's 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.680 your relax it's your enjoyment. Time you go to golf, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.480 like to have fun, to enjoy it, not to be 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.240 told off that like your socks aren't long enough or 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:57.080 something something like that. Man Um, I spent a lot 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.440 of time over the last couple of years I've been 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.560 working with Patrez and Pat you know, has this enormous 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.000 Jordan's sneaker collection, and every time he rolls out with 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.880 a new pair of Jordan's, I'm always thinking about you, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.280 Beef going, man, Beef would just want to be a 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.320 fly on the wall to look at all. And so 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.560 somebody last week we're at the Live tournament. Somebody said, um, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.640 did you oh, oh you got those? Those are the 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.880 new ones? Um? And he and he's like, um, were 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.640 they hard to get? And and Pat goes, yeah, I 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.200 got him in every color. They sent me a box 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.800 with like eleven pairs in him. And this guy's mind's 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.320 just blown that you know that Jordan's just sending Pat 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.920 like all these shoes and stuff. Do you think that 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.680 that's been a big part of it, right, the fact 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.000 that you know, like Nick Kurios, I mean that's the 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.840 fact that he walks onto a tennis court were in 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.760 Jordan's and then puts on like regular shoes and then 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.640 walks off the court. I mean, I thought it was 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.760 great this summer when he was at Wimbledon and the 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.160 reporter was like, why are you wearing you know, Jordan's 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:51.600 And he's like, because I want to wear my jas 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:56.040 onto the court. I mean that's what I want to do. Yeah, like, again, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.360 is he doing anything that's damaged in the coal? Absolutely? 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:04.040 Not hairs. And like the thing I'm interested about is 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.320 what shoe size is? Pat You want to see if 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.720 you can get some throwaways? Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, I 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.439 must find this out. Yeah. He he has become the 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:19.000 guy because obviously sponsored by Jordan and stuff. So I 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.879 mean the amount of players that will come up to 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.280 him and go, hey, can you get me the elevens 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.480 but in in this color? Can you get me this 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.199 one but in that color? And he's like, man, I 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.600 mean Brandon Grace last week came up to him and 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.040 he's like, hey, man, thanks, I really like that. Can 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.960 you get me two more pairs? And in the other 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.200 two colors? And that's like what am I? I mean? 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:44.480 But one's not enough? That's insane? Man. He's yeah, he's 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.440 the man. He's the man at the moment. Man, let's 0:17:47.480 --> 0:18:00.080 take a quick break and we are back. You've had 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:05.119 some comments about Live and obviously, um I thought it 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.360 was pretty interesting that you said that. You know, obviously, 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.119 if they came to you and made you a lucrative offer, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.920 as as a as a player, as a person, you'd 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.359 you'd have to take a look at it, Um, the 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.080 golf landscape, the professional landscape, beef has changed so much 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.879 in such a short period of time. Um. You know, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.399 I can still remember being at the the p g 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.080 A this year where there were some you know, you 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.800 heard maybe that Live was gonna make another run there. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.520 We're going to be some guys, um that we're thinking 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:39.480 about going. If you look back at you know, May, Um, 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.760 if someone had told you that everything had happened in 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.240 the last you know, three months and golf would look 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.400 like it looks now, would you would you have believed them? 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:52.440 Would you be surprised? Um? Have you been surprised at 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.159 how fast and how quickly um things have changed? I mean, 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.000 obviously you've played golf on both tours. You've played on 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.240 the DP World Tour, the European Tour, you've played on 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.800 the PGA Tour. I mean, it's it's some crazy ship 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:09.520 that's going on in golf right now. It is I think, like, yeah, 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.960 being injured from an outside point of view, looking in, Yeah, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.080 when a lot of people, a lot of players turn around, 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.320 we're like they've got questions are they moving across? And 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.240 they were like absolutely not, no chance for going. And 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.879 then like the U turn started happening and all of 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.240 a sudden, like they're picking up a lot of players. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.440 It seemed to be like every few weeks, a whole 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.040 bunch we're going across. And it went from a joke 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:39.080 to oh, no, this is serious. It literally went from 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:45.000 like like laughing stock almost uh, to to oh and 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.360 I think like both told oh my god. I don't 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.199 even think they saw it happening in some respect, to 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:55.879 be honest, um, But again it's for me, like I've said, 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:00.960 it's something different, which can never be a bad thing. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.119 I don't think sometimes competition can be bad as well. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.080 And I think what I've learned is sometimes pja to 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.879 Europeans or have have not advanced fast enough, they've sat 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.359 because they're comfortable as well, And I think like that 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.480 that's never bad to have have a have a good 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.159 kick up the ass, as you'd say, like they, I 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.520 think they needed it as well in some respect, so 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.040 I don't Again, I don't think it's a bad thing. 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.720 I think it's a new thing and it will figure 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.400 itself out. Because it's so new, no one knows what's 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.560 going on, and over time I think it will figure 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.679 itself out. Have you been surprised that, you know, everybody 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.760 has dug in so much. I mean the line now, 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.720 I mean, it's it's as if there is a a trench, 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.160 you know, and there's a war going on, and on 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.320 one side, you've got the PGA Tour, you've got the 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.440 DP World Tour, and then you've got to live guys 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.560 on the other side. I mean, it seems like and 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.439 I mean it seems like no one can be asked 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.760 any question about golf anymore without it turning back to 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.360 I mean, you've got Rory McRoy winning tournaments and he's 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.680 talking about live you've got you know. I mean, it's 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.879 it's it's crazy how in a very short period of 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.240 time something that, like you said, not a lot of 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.359 people took seriously has all the sudden kind of made 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.520 the European Tour, the DP World Tour of the PG 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.000 Tour step up and kind of go, hang on a minute, 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:29.120 maybe we've got to start making some changes now. Yeah, definitely, 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:33.680 I think, um, yeah they did. They didn't need to 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.879 make It was just I've seen it. PG still have 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:40.480 made changes, haven't they already. Yeah. It's it's a strange one. 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.760 Like I'm not a very confrontational person and to be honest, 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.919 that my opinion, I'm not really bothered, go with the 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.439 flow whatever. I'm not too fast. Like. People gotta do 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.400 what they gotta do, and I try not to judge 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.080 anyones to be honest, and whatever they want to do, 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.400