1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Mom never told your production of I Heart Radio's How 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Stuff Works. You know what one of my resolutions is, 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: what is your resolution to stop saying the intro so quickly? Oh, well, 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: it's better than what I do, since I've never done it, 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: and I'm just grateful that you do. Okay, I'm all good, 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I am a little fearful of the day 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: that you're gone with Safer and I have to do 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: something because we're behind or something, and I had to 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: do an introduction like this, and I'm gonna be like, 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: I miss Annie so much right now, But you can 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: learn from my mistakes. That is one of my many resolutions. 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: That's not my only resolutions. Well, I will say one 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: of the problems because you do it. I don't even 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: pay attention. But it sounds like I think I tried. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: We tried this one time with an outro. I tried 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: to do an outro and it was such a cluster 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm done. You do it. I 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: still have to write it down, even though I've said 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: it so many times. But we're going anyway, not talking 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: about resolutions today. We're talking about female revenge, love it, history, 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: science examples, and it ballooned into such a big episode 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: it's now a two parter. Well, and I think part 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: of that was you and I kept going on and 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: on and on adding to the movie list or just 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: a genre of it because I'm like, I like this one, 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: and like this one and this one and this one. 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: This could be considered, and this is considered because we 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: actually went beyond. We can talk about TV shows and 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: we do couple, but not all of them obviously UM, 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: but then even trips with like books as well as 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: UM comics or graphic novels. We don't exactly get into 33 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: all of that level. So it could be like five 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: day series, it could be in an entire podcast just revenge. 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: You're right, I didn't even think about comic. What is 36 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: with me? I can't believe you didn't go there. Maybe 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: I will come to me as we do it, So 38 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: that's in your line. Yeah, Well, we are planning some 39 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: specific episodes on on Birds of Prey Black Widow, so 40 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: well we'll come back to that before we get into 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: all of the stuff we have to talk about. We 42 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: did want to put a trigger warning hair because there's 43 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: gonna be discussion around sexual saut violence, brief mentions of 44 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: mental health, and suicide. With these revenge things get pretty dark. Yeah, 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: and it's actually something I didn't have too much knowledge 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: around when it comes to entertainment, this idea of women 47 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: in revenge. As I've said before, most revenge media makes 48 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: me uncomfortable and nervous, which is funny because I've actually 49 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: written a lot of things about revenge my own life. 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: So I think I think there's something about the fantastical 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: element of superhero type revenge that I can click out 52 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: and it seems like fantasy and watching like revenge, even 53 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: though it's heightened usually it's something about it just puts 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: me on edge, which I think is the point. Yeah, exactly, 55 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: that is the point. It makes you uncomfortable, kind of 56 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: makes you look at your shoulders at all times, right, 57 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: and I a good revenge movie makes you question the 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: main character and whether or not they're justified in what 59 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: they're doing. I mean, this is definitely one of those 60 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: anti heroo right ideas. Right, And I didn't want to 61 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: stay in here. I have a friend who is excellent 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: at revenge. She she I hope I never end up 63 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: on her bad side, the anchovies in the car, the 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: ants in the car, basically your car. It's not a 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: safe place if you made her mad. You know, that's 66 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of a trope as well, that the girlfriend the 67 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: main quote unquote crazy girlfriend. They always go after the car. 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: It does seem to be that type of feel. I've 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: definitely met women that I'm like, yeah, you scare me 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: because you have not only do you think of it, 71 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people think bad thoughts, 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: but you actually start planning it. And when you start 73 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: planning it, you know you better watch out. And so 74 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: this isn't something I'm very familiar with, but you are right, Samantha. Yes, 75 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: I do really really love female revenge movies. Unfortunately, with 76 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: some of the me too stuff, it's it's kind of 77 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: taken out amount of rotation a lot of the ones 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: that I really do love, and I'm very sad about that. 79 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: I also find it really interesting because one of the 80 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: things um and I don't think we mentioned it in 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: here when we talk about Mad Max, one of the 82 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: big problems people had was Charles their own playing of 83 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: such a pivoal character, which in my mind, I'm like, 84 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: she still needs a saving in the end. So I 85 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: don't understand why people are upset people being men and 86 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: men's activists, let's put it that way. But it is 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: a kind of a revenge justice type of mentality as well. 88 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, Okay, who are we looking at, 89 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: who are we rooting for? How are we rooting for it? 90 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: And how do we come to like the just desserts? 91 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: You know? I want to see all that I do. 92 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: I love that because I don't always like really dark, 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: dark things, but when it has a satisfying ending or 94 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: satisfying moment, it makes everything okay to me. Yeah, it's cathartic. Yes, yes, 95 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: I made a very foolish mistake in preparation for this, 96 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: and I've watched probably fifteen of these in like four days. 97 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: I did not recommend that. Nobody in there, thinking about 98 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: themselves and their health care, wouldn't have done that. I 99 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: kept telling myself, why no one's making you do this? 100 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised, and I will say one 101 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: of the reasons, and you you will hear in the 102 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: letter later episode. We picked First Wives Club um because 103 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: I wanted We were talking about doing a revenge type 104 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: of themed movie, but I wanted to make sure it 105 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: wasn't over the top gory and over the top dark. 106 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: And this is kind of one of the beginnings of 107 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: the revenge, just this type of thought process and movies 108 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: and not beginning. That's not true, but you know it 109 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: was one of the iconic ones. Yeah, but yeah, and 110 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: then finding out you watched all those why But the 111 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: reason I wanted to say that is because what you 112 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: said earlier than me too. Thing watching them you're going 113 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: to recognize when we get to our part two episodes, 114 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: several names like the wine Steins come up, A what right? 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: Fascinating because it makes you wonder the people working on it, 116 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: and I know I've read some reviews there's all this 117 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: female revenge maybe makes you wonder, makes you larger, and 118 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: it seems like a female revenge and anger is something 119 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: that are on a lot of people's mind. Um, he'll 120 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: have no fury like a woman scorned. That is a great, 121 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: great line in anything, A quote derived from William Congrey's 122 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: sixteenth century English play The Morning Bride and U are 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: n I n g. And these episodes were in part 124 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,119 Speaker 1: inspired by the upcoming Cary Mulligan revenge flick Promising Young Woman, 125 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: directed by Emerald Fennel, and I was really really like 126 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: I started watching, I was like, oh damn, okay, okay, 127 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: that's taking out the nice guy troupe, real hard UM, 128 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed. It's going to be an intense, 129 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: intense scene because, um, within the previews you can already 130 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: see the nice guy bits. You have very unassuming, good 131 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: looking guys you would never expect a B. You have 132 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: the friend who UM didn't support her, didn't believe her, 133 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: and then you have the like teacher figures that also 134 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: don't believe her and just kind of tell her it's 135 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: gonna make it worse for you. And then she just left, 136 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: and everybody's like, why did you leave? Um? And it 137 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: definitely had a hard candy vibe to it too, which 138 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate. Yeah, and we're gonna be talking about that 139 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: that film and another movie that kind of reminds me 140 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: of that that I just washed in f A. But okay, 141 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: let's do our our definition bit. The Dictionary definition of 142 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: revenge is quote the action of inflicting hurt or harm 143 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: on someone for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands. 144 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: It is defined us both an act and a desire. 145 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: Some psychologists referred to it as narcissistic acts of self repair. 146 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: The definition of justice, which is a term that gets 147 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: thrown around a lot in conversations around revenge, is just 148 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: behavior or treatment, and the line between the two of 149 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: them can be murky. Punishment pops up a bit too, 150 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: which is a penalty inflicted for wrongdoing. But when I 151 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: was trying to think of the differences between these things, 152 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: and I do think there can be overlapped. I think 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: the main thing with revenge is there's a personal emotional 154 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: aspect and that it's not so much about justice necessarily. 155 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: It might be, but it's more like, I want to 156 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: hurt this person who directly hurt me. Might you might 157 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: take actions that don't worry. A lot of the movies 158 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about, uh, they kind of go 159 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: a bit further than yes, and Yeah, we are as 160 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: a society pretty torn on ideas of revenge. There's an 161 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: eye for an eye versus the other cheek, which are 162 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,479 Speaker 1: both from the Bible. Um. A paper digging into revenge 163 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: and all of this found that when participants believed a 164 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: revenge action was sanctioned by God, they were more likely 165 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: to support revenge and seek it themselves. Revenge is a 166 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: basic human drive. The same part of your brain that 167 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: lights up when you're in love that sends reward signals 168 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: lights up when you think about revenge, the prefront until 169 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: cortex shows activity two, which this is the same area 170 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: associated with planning how to achieve a goal. That's really 171 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: intriguing evolutionarily, it may have been a way to keep 172 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: burgeoning societies functioning. Those that do wrong that threatened stability 173 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: get punished, a tool to prevent future wrongs. And we 174 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: did touch on some of the science behind revenge in 175 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: our Forgiveness episode, but there's some more we wanted to 176 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: touch on because it is really fascinating. Study out of 177 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: the University of Kentucky looked into revenge tasking participants with 178 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: writing an essay and then swapping essays for feedback with 179 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: other participants, and one of the participants was an undercover 180 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: researcher who left epically critical feedback. Then the participants were 181 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: allowed to express how angry the feedback they had gotten 182 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: made them with a voodoo doll and needles. The participants 183 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: who had received the negative feedback reported feeling better after 184 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: engaging in some revenge, basically sticking the doll with needles. 185 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: A follow up study looked into whether people would go 186 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: out of their way for revenge, and they found that 187 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: to not be true. People sought it out if they 188 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: believed it would make them feel better, but participants led 189 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: to believe it wouldn't and that they did this through 190 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: a placebo that they called a mood stabilizing pill. Basically, 191 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: no matter what you do, your your mood's gonna stay 192 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: the same. Did not pursue revenge against teammates that had 193 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: let them down. This corroborates the popular psychological understanding of 194 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: revenge that its primary goal is catharsis, followed closely by 195 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: to terrence and restoration of self esteem. So a similar 196 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: study found that when given the opportunity to get revenge 197 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: against the player who wronged them, participants universally took it, 198 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: but also universally reported feeling worse after that case compared 199 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: to those who weren't wrong and therefore did not seek revenge. 200 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Those who had been wronged and we're not given the 201 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: opportunity to get revenge reported they believed they would feel 202 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: better if they had pursued revenge, even though they were 203 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: in the happier group. Well again the grass is greener idea. 204 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: Yet another study found that the acts of revenge are 205 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: only better than not getting revenge in cases where the 206 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: revenge is acknowledged and the balance is restored. Right, So 207 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: if it goes on acknowledged, then you don't get the 208 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: same like benefit from it. And as we talked about 209 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: in our forgiveness episode, most science indicates that revenge is 210 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: satisfying in the short term, but associated with more negative 211 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: outcomes in a long term. Instead of providing closure, it 212 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: keeps a wound fresh. Yet another study found that when 213 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: asked about a time they got revenge in a time 214 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: when they were the hearget of revenge, almost everyone. I 215 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: love this, Almost everyone deemed their act of revenge as 216 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: just and appropriate and the act of revenge against them 217 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: as excessive. Of course, of course, how da hear you? Exactly, 218 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: Oh humanity. We actually have a lot more science and 219 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: history about revenge to get into, but first we have 220 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our sponsor, and 221 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: we're back, Thank you sponsor. So one thing I was 222 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: curious about is the question of why do we like 223 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: revenge stories. Well, obviously, revenge stories are satisfying. Like I 224 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: just said, they're cathartic in a world where bad things 225 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: happen to a good people with rhyme or reason, a 226 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: reality beset with sense of smilence. It's comforting to think 227 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: that those who have wronged us will face the consequence 228 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: and then song. I hope most of our revenge media 229 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: functions like a fantasy where everything is exaggerated, which is 230 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: kind of nice. It reminds me of what we talked 231 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: about in um. Why do people victim blame? Where we're 232 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: always trying to find a reason for or to find balance, right, 233 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: to make things just, there's no sense. Yeah, I think 234 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: that's the true libra in May I needed to be okay, 235 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: all falling into place. From Dr Edward Halliwell, psychiatrist and author, quote, 236 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: the pursuit of revenge is a turn on. It's an 237 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: adrenaline rush. You can really get into it, and once 238 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: you have experienced it, you want to do it again 239 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: and again, and it becomes a way of life. He 240 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: argues that if you wanted, you could frame our entire 241 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: history in terms of revenge. I think that's what warsaw essentially, 242 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: when you look at the bottom line and money. Oh yeah, 243 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: of course, money in a two thousand eight study out 244 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: of Australia conducted by Dr Ian McKee. He found a 245 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: link that suggested that those most interested in revenge were 246 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: people more motivated by power, specifically right wing authoritarians and 247 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: some sort of social dominance and all the attributes that 248 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: go with it. Other studies have shown that events that 249 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: inspire revenge differed by culture, and others that revenge is 250 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: viewed differently among communities without access to legal means of justice. 251 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: There are entire websites dedicated to helping you get revenge. 252 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: Think the Exploding glitter boxes or get your Revenge on 253 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: your x dot com run by a man whose wife 254 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: cheated on him. According to him, most of his clients 255 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: are female. M yeah, I don't want to look it up. 256 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to. A recent study found that men 257 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: enjoy revenge more than women. When shown instances of wrongdoers 258 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: getting punished, male participants were more likely to feel pleasure, 259 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: while female participants were more likely to fill empathy. Another 260 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: study looking into gender different has found that men were 261 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: far likelier than women to engage in revenge fantasies, and 262 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: that even children fantasize about getting revenge. I've seen this 263 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: as a nanny and as a person who was in 264 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: the field, I've seen you sometimes I really crafty too. 265 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: Just wants to know that the women reported that they 266 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: believed revenge was ultimately pointless, and a lot of the 267 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: women who did express revenge fantasies were more likely to 268 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: turn the revenge in words imagining about harming themselves to 269 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: punish those that harmed them. There is a certain level 270 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: of breaking gender norms in female revenge entertainment. Traditionally, aggression 271 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: and violence are associated with men. Anger, the emotion most 272 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: closely associated with revenge, is traditionally viewed as a more masculine, 273 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: sanctioned emotion. Historically, women have used words as weapons, whereas 274 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: men are more violence like using swords or guns or whatever, 275 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: what have you. And also I read a lot of 276 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: things that viewed this is kind of a dismissal and 277 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: then expressions of grief and viewing them as weak, and 278 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of going off of that, we did look at 279 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: some history, some famous examples of women getting revenge. But 280 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: before we get into that, we have one more quick 281 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank 282 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: you sponsor, and we're back with some history. So let's 283 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: leet into that throughout our history, Western culture has largely 284 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: depicted vengeance as a more masculine avenue. A lot of 285 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: the monsters from our Female Monsters episode tell stories of enraged, 286 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: insatiable vengeance like the Furies. Less about revenge though, which 287 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: has more personal element, but there are similar themes, and 288 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: there are plenty of famous historical examples. We have real 289 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: life examples like the Rain of bob It's but also 290 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: going back further, there is the example of Kamara, a 291 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: Galatian noble woman during the Glacian War with Rome around 292 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: one b C. She was taken captive. The person in 293 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: charge of the prisoners, including Kamara, made several sexual advances 294 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: towards her, all of which she rejected. So he raped her, 295 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: but then felt such guilt about it, kindly ransomed her 296 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: to her people. The countrymen that came for the exchange, 297 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: with a nod from Kamara or perhaps speaking in their 298 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: native language depending on the source, that you know what, 299 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: you should cut off this guy's head. The countryman did that. 300 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: She took the head, carried it back with her in 301 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: her dress, threw it at her husband's feet when she 302 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: arrived home. Her husband said a noble thing, dear wife, 303 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: is fidelity, And she responded, yes, but it is a 304 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: nobler thing that only one man be alive who has 305 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: been intimate with me. So. Artemisia Gentileschi was a painter 306 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: in the sixteen hundreds who was raped when she was eighteen, 307 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: and instead of punishing the rapist, the court of course 308 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: of tortured Artemisia, which we've seen even to a tying 309 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: ropes around her fingers and pulling them tight. As she 310 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: was tortured, she shouted at her rapists who watched in 311 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: the courtroom, this is the ring you gave me, and 312 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: these are your promises, and she repeated, unwavering about her testimony. 313 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: It is true. The entire transcript of the trial survived, 314 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: and she went about getting her revenge through her art, 315 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: painting the disturbing and affected Judith and he Leferness, in 316 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: which Judith along with another woman, hold down the Lefferness, 317 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: slitting his throat. It is a very effective, faint good one. 318 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: In sixty c in present day southeast England, Boudica was born. 319 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: She went on to marry Celtic King Prostitutagus at the 320 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: age of eighteen. When Prostutagus died in fourty three CE 321 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: without a male heir. His kingdom, land and property were 322 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: annexed by the Romans. They then publicly flogged Brutica and 323 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: raped her two daughters. Records show that she declared nothing 324 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: is safe from Roman pride and arrogance. They will deface 325 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: the sacred and will deflower our virgins when the battle 326 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: or perish. That is what I, a woman will do. 327 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: A trained warrior, she helped form a rebel army of 328 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: tribes that went on to destroy the Roman capital of 329 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: Britain and killed all those that lived there. The rebel 330 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: army did the same thing with two other cities, including London. 331 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: Records from the time suggest that Boudica's rebellion killed seventy 332 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: tho Romans and pro Roman Britain's before she was defeated. Yeah, 333 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: and perhaps inspired by some of these true stories, perhaps 334 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: now we have plenty of fictional examples as well, going 335 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: way back right in Euripides Greek play media, this character, 336 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: sometimes called the Queen of Revenge, once said a woman's 337 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: weak and timid in most matters. The noise of war, 338 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: the look of steel make her a coward, but touch 339 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: her right in marriage and there's no bloody or spirit. 340 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Media's ex husband, Jason, dished her for another woman for 341 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: her superficial reasons after Media helped him climb the social ladder. 342 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: The whole play is about her journey to secure her revenge, 343 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: not caring who ends up in the crossfire, including her 344 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: own children, taking away what he left for her, a 345 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: future in royalty, and when she gives it, she rise 346 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: off in a dragon drawn carriage. You've been to give 347 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: an abandoned old age, I give one now to you. 348 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: This example is particularly unsettling because of media flouts her 349 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: gender norm, both of women being too kind to seek revenge, 350 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: but also that women are unfailingly protective maternal of their children. 351 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: A twist because we the audience, expect the act of 352 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: vengeance to take Jason's life. This whole thing of revenge 353 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: seemed to be a theme in euripides work Around the 354 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: mid fourteen twenties BC. Euripides also published Hecuba. Hecuba was 355 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: the Queen of Troy and witnessed and experienced many many wrongs, 356 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: including the deaths of her husband and sons. She was 357 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: enslaved by those who killed her family. Her daughter is 358 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: sacrificed and another is taken as a concubine to be killed. Hecuba, 359 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: along with other female captives of the Trojan army, lure 360 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: the king of Thrace, Polymester, and his two sons into 361 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: the women's tent in a post war encampment, and proceed 362 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: to blind the king with pens from their dresses and 363 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: kill his two young sons. Polymester prophesied that Hecuba would 364 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: become quote a dog with fiery eyes. Many scholars interpret 365 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: this as a symbol of the fiercely maternal, and this 366 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: is an early example the key element in revenge stories 367 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: about women. Their suffering must be detailed and painful enough 368 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: so that we are sympathetic and we back them stepping 369 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: outside of traditional gender norms by getting revenge instead of 370 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: punishing them for transgressing these boundaries. And Janet Claire delved 371 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: into the dichotomy of this character is the all suffering, 372 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: grieving mother and furious woman said on revenge, she describes 373 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: quote a culture that condemned revenge and saw it as 374 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: a last resort to which only a male should have recourse, 375 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: and that to stage a heckyba as she was staged 376 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: in classical tragedy would be to stage a rebellion. So 377 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to our modern day entertainment, revenge is 378 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: a genre dominated by men, both in leading roles and 379 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: when it comes to directors. So when we think of 380 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: revenge movies with male protagonists, the wronged at the heart 381 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: of the revenge is usually quite different. Often involves the 382 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: fridging killing off of the main love interests early in 383 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: the plot, sidelining her to an object that functions solely 384 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: to start the main male character's vengeful journey. Not only 385 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: does she die, she's often raped and tortured prior to death, 386 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: defiling the man's property quote unquote, We as the audience, 387 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: typically root for the man to get his vengeance, chewing 388 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: on his typically violent retribution. I mean, how many times 389 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: have we seen this? In every James Bond at least 390 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: one person loved the love interest that you know, for 391 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: like thirty seconds naked on the bed, dies immediately. And 392 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: then of course, yeah, John Wick is famous for the 393 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: dog and I don't care to be fair, Yeah, I 394 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: get that um killing off the dog and the wife. 395 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: And then there's you see so many, so many of 396 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: those that begin, as I think every John stadhum movie 397 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: outside of her, but so true. That's exactly how you 398 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: see it, you death rays. I watched that and that's 399 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: the beginning plot, and you're like, what is happening? Yeah? Also, 400 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: I guess Mission Impossible. I love how like every Mission 401 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Impossible movie starts with this and then at the end 402 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: he's with someone, but then she dies in the hes 403 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: over every time, ever stop. You will never be happy, 404 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: that's the message. That is the message. Revenge will make 405 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: you happy anyway. Revenge stories with women at the helm, 406 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: on the other end, usually are more gendered fears and anxieties, 407 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: like sexual assault, domestic violence, cheating motherhood. While we frequently 408 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: cheer for these anti heroines, audiences are more likely to 409 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: turn on her than on a male protagonist, giving her 410 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: as hysterical or deranged. Some movies even managed to flip 411 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: somehow so that the audience sides with the male antagonist, 412 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: or that the woman quote deserved what she can write. Yes, 413 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: I when I was thinking about this, I think men 414 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: don't like imagining a world where women can exact revenge 415 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: for the wrongs done to them. Well, I mean, there's 416 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: so many things about being ladylike and being kind and 417 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: motherly and nurturing, but that's not ex sceptible while the 418 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: father is the protector. So of course it crosses the 419 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: line to be protecting, especially even if you're protecting yourself. 420 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: That that's crossing the gender norms boundary. And we have 421 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot of examples about that in our our upcoming 422 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: part two of this um and one one of the 423 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: ones we're going to talk about that really gripped our 424 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: collective cultural psyches was the film I Spit on Your Grave. 425 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: That's intense. Second, you watched that, right, Oh yeah, oh yeah, 426 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: I know that's an intense one. It is, Yes, it 427 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: very much is. And this was done by Mere's ar guy. 428 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: This movie follows an aspiring writer who is getting grape 429 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: and her relentless vengeful pursuit to take them all out 430 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: after that. As you might imagine, this stirred up a 431 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: lot of controversy. Robert Ebert famously despised it, calling it 432 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: quote one of the most depressing experiences of my life 433 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: and describing the film as a vile bag of garbage. 434 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: And we're gonna do a terrible thing here and leave 435 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: it at a cliffhanger like some revenge movies do. Take that, Yeah, 436 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: you take that. Listeners, thank you for this so sorry, 437 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: Just save it. You know you can do streaming things. Yeah, yeah, 438 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: bene it um. Yes, we have a part too forthcoming 439 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: where we're gonna look at our more modern female revenge 440 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: genre and specific examples, and we're also focusing in for 441 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: feminists maybe Friday on First Wives Club, so keep your 442 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: ears out for that. In the meantime, if you have 443 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: a favorite revenge movie or any kind of revenge media, 444 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: you can email it to us. Our email is Stuff 445 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: Media mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can also 446 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter, mom Stuff podcast, or on Instagram 447 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: at stuff I'll Never Told You. Thanks as always to 448 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: our superproducer Andrew Howard. 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