1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me for the season three premiere 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: of Haunted Road. We have some incredible episodes coming up, 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: and I just need to say thank you for making 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: this podcast the spooky success it is. If you'd like 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: to meet me in person, I am doing a fall 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: tour where I will be visiting and speaking in multiple 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: cities around the country. You can find out if I'll 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: be in your neck of the woods by visiting Amy 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: dash Brunei dot net. And if you're in the mood 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: for a spooky vacation, who isn't. My company, Strange Escapes 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: is planning retreats in Gettysburg, St. Augustine, Mount, Washington, Hawaii, 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: and more. Check that out at strange dash escapes dot com. 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Sixteen years ago, I had made a pilgrimage to what 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: I considered to be one of the most haunted places 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: in America. Back then, I was still looking for ghosts 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: for the novelty of it. I hung onto each whisper 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: of an e v P or shadow on film like 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: some sort of trophy. I think many of us start 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: that way. This building was massive, five floors of walls 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: and ceilings that were crumbling, wide open windows, vines, and 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: trees invading rooms and threatening to take the building back 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: down with them. When you walked, the constant crunch of 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: tiles that had fallen from the ceiling and exploded across 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: the floor was all you could hear, though sometimes you'd 27 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: swear another set of crunching footsteps was right behind you. 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: As I split from my friends who had traveled with me, 29 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: I walked down a corridor on my own. It was 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: then that I tried a little experiment. I decided to 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: walk down this long hallway, and as I passed by 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: each door, I would wait to see if one room 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: in particular called to me, if I felt as though 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: something unseen was inside. After walking by one, two, three rooms, 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: I settled on the fourth door to my left. I 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: walked in and felt a chill down my back and 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: had a distinct feeling that I was, in fact not alone. 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: Then I turned on my digital voice recorder and began 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: quietly asking questions, who is here, what is your name? 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: What can I do for you? After a few minutes 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: of recording, I clicked off my recorder, said thank you 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: and left. After a full night of investigating, I headed 43 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: back to my hotel and retired for the evening or 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: morning at that point. Later that day, I hopped a 45 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: plane and headed to what was then home, California. It 46 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: wasn't until days later, when I had some free time, 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: that I was able to review my recordings. As I 48 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: sat with my headphones intently listening, I reached the e 49 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: v P session I took alone in that room, and 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: then I heard it, an e v P that, even 51 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: until this day causes me extreme guilt and forever changed 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: the path and the way I investigate altogether. What can 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: I do for you, I asked? A soft female voice replied, 54 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Where did I go? How could I? How could I 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: have struck up this conversation? Popped a plane and waited 56 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: until now to hear this forlorn voice. Forever changed. I 57 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: knew this would definitely not be my last visit to 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: Waverley Hills in Louisville, Kentucky. I'm Amy Brunei, and welcome 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: to Haunted Road. In the early nineteenth century, the spread 60 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: of tuberculosis was at epidemic. Proportions called captain among these 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: men of death. The airborne disease was highly transmissible. It 62 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: attacked a person's lungs, eating away at healthy lung tissue. 63 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Because some of the infected were asymptomatic, tuberculosis was easily 64 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: spread within those holds. By the end of the eighteen hundreds, 65 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: tuberculosis was responsible for about twenty five of the deaths 66 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: in America. Encompassing the city of Louisville, Jefferson County, Kentucky 67 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: was hit especially hard. It's hot, humid conditions were a 68 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: perfect breeding ground for the bacterial disease. Hospitals needed to 69 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: isolate their tuberculosis patients to prevent them from spreading the 70 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: disease to the uninfected, and the county's little tuberculosis clinic 71 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: was overrun, stressing the scant resources. Even more was the 72 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: fact that those in need of treatment couldn't remain at 73 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: home because they would risk infecting their loved ones. A 74 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen article in the Louisville Courier Journal quoted a 75 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: doctor Wilson who said Kentucky has the highest death rate 76 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: from tuberculosis of any state in the Union, and Louisville 77 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: and Jefferson County regularly do their part in maintaining this 78 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: dreadful record. Before the development of drugs that could control tuberculosis, 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: which wouldn't come until nineteen, doctors struggled to treat the disease. 80 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: Their advice usually consisted of some kind of restriction on 81 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: breathing to allow the lung to rest and recover, the 82 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: idea being that if the lung was less stressed, it 83 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: would have a better chance of fighting off the invasive bacteria. 84 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: Some of these rest treatments were truly brutal. In some cases, 85 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: patients would have a section of lung removed or would 86 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: have a lung surgically collapsed to allow the organ to rest. 87 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: In other instances, a patient would have weighted bags pressing 88 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: on their lungs to restrict the extent to which a 89 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: lung could expand during inhalation. But other treatments were much 90 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: more gentle. Many doctors prescribed sunlight, fresh air, and rest 91 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: to allow people to remain as calm as possible and 92 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: give their system a chance to recover. Heliotherapy, also known 93 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: as sun bathing, was a popular option, the idea being 94 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: that the sun would kill the tuberculosis bacteria. Sanatoriums usually 95 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: built high on hills surrounded by peaceful woods became an 96 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: increasingly popular option. Patients could rest, stay calm, and have 97 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: dedicated medical staff focused on the exclusive treatment of tuberculosis. 98 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: Because of the enormous stress on the medical resources in 99 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: Jefferson County, it was clear that the area needed a 100 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: tuberculosis sanatorium of its own. In nineteen o eight, workers 101 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: broke ground on construction of Jefferson County's new treatment facility 102 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: in a place called Waverly Hills. Waverly Hills Sanatorium would 103 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: eventually become an enormous hospital with four hundred beds, but 104 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: when it opened its doors to patients on July nineteen ten, 105 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: it was a humble, two story structure that could house 106 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: about fifty patients. Being at Waverly Hills was referred to 107 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: by locals as being on the hill, and everyone who 108 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: went there was required to stay there as a permanent resident, 109 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: and that meant everyone doctors, nurses, and other hospital staff 110 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: lived on the property and remained there subject to the 111 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: same extreme quarantine measures as patients and separate from the 112 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: general population in the outside world. The sanatorium was so 113 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: isolated that it even had its own post office to 114 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: limit the spread of the bacteria. As much as possible. 115 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: The sanitary requirements at Waverly Hills were strict. That same 116 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: article from the Louisville Courier Journal described the facilities procedures 117 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: at Waverly Hills. The reporter wrote, the floors are scrubbed 118 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: every day. The garbage is burned. The patients cover their 119 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: mouths and noses while coughing and sneezing, and their sputa 120 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: is deposited in cups and burned. The sunshine strikes the 121 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 1: buildings at all hours of the day. At the time 122 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: that article was published, the sanatorium had grown to have 123 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: one hundred seventy eight beds. Twenty five of them were 124 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: for children and the rest were four adults. But there 125 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: was an entire children's pavilion that sat empty and unused 126 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: because Waverly Hills didn't have enough funding to outfit the space. 127 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: Using photos of sickly children for emphasis, the article illustrated 128 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: that the infected young ones must continue to live in 129 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Louisville and infect other children until the disease consumes so 130 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: much of their little bodies that, through sheer weakness, they 131 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: will take to their beds for the rests of their lives. 132 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: By nineteen twenty four, construction began on an expansion that 133 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: would grow Waverley Hills from its original two story facility 134 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: to a sprawling campus with a five story sanatorium in 135 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: order to meet increased demand. By nineteen twenty six, the 136 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: hospital had four hundred beds, most of which were consistently 137 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: in use. Full Recovery from tuberculosis before antibiotics was very rare. 138 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: Even if a person could self cure, the disease almost 139 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: always came back and was fatal in most instances. About 140 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: half of the patients admitted to Waverley Hills were in 141 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: the beginning or mid stages of TV and had a 142 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: chance of being released and going home. The others were 143 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: in advanced stages of tuberculosis and had essentially no chance 144 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: of recovery. An important feature of the hospital was a 145 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: five hundred twenty five foot tunnel that connected the basement 146 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: of the original hospital with the first floor of the 147 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: new building and extended to the bottom of the hill below. 148 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: It served several functions, including delivering supplies and coal to 149 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: the hospital and serving as a warmer way to ascend 150 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: the hill to the hospital during the winter. It was 151 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: also a discrete way to remove the remains of patients 152 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: who had passed away. Although the tunnel is nicknamed the 153 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: Body Shoot, that's not actually true. There was no actual 154 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: underground slide. Rather, the tunnel was outfitted with a rail 155 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: car system. According to the Waverly Hills Memorial Research Group, 156 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: this tunnel became an effective tool for removing corpses off 157 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: the hill in a way that the patients would not 158 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: see the dead taken away in hearses. Directors of the 159 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: sanatorium decided this was the best way to keep morale up. 160 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: With the development of two potent tuberculosis antibiotics in nineteen 161 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: and nineteen fifty one, respectively, the medical community finally started 162 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: to get control of the disease. By nineteen fifty seven, 163 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: the Courier Journal rep hoarded that the death rate at 164 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: Waverly Hills had declined fifty seven percent in the previous 165 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: ten years. In nineteen sixty one, a breakthrough in tuberculosis 166 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: treatment emerged, an antibiotic that successfully cured the disease. While 167 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: it was incredible news for those affected by tuberculosis, it 168 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: also rendered Waverly Hills obsolete. That same year, the hospital 169 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: closed its doors for good after a quarantine period renovations 170 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: began that converted the facility into a nursing home, eventually 171 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: known as wood Haven Medical Services. That facility was closed 172 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen one amid horrific allegations of elder abuse and neglect. 173 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty, the Louisville Courier Journal reported that wood Haven, 174 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: one of the state's largest homes, got into trouble after 175 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: a scathing report by state licensing Director Sharon Ware. An 176 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: inspection found patients kept behind locked doors and generally neglected. 177 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: She reported an intense state investigation found malnourished, dehydrated patients, 178 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: shoddy care, and sloppy medical records that, in some instances 179 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: mistakenly labeled patients as diabetic. Waverly Hills remained closed for 180 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: the next twenty years. The Waverly Hills Historical Society describes 181 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: that period as one of pitiful abandonment, writing over the 182 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: next few decades, Waverly Hills would fall into more dark times, 183 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: vandalized damage, nearly condemned. Previous property owners had no desire 184 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: to maintain the luster of the building and did little 185 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: to stop from slowly destroying her. It is sad that 186 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: a place that played such a vital role during this 187 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: period of history and medical discovery was not only over, 188 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: but now disrespected. In two thousand one, current owners, Charlie 189 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: and Tina Mattingly, purchased Waverly Hills and shortly afterward founded 190 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: the Waverly Hills Historical Society, working to restore the buildings. 191 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: By that point, the hospital had acquired quite the reputation 192 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: as a haunted location, and with all those deaths and 193 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: all the suffering that happened inside, it was a reputation 194 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: the place had earned. In addition to an estimated six 195 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: thousand deaths from tuberculosis and disease that happened at Waverly Hills, 196 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: there were several other untimely deaths inside the hospital. In 197 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, orderly John Lewis Griggs attacked co worker 198 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: Edwin a Bris, kicking and stamping him to death. Griggs 199 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: was acquitted of his murder charges because, by his account, 200 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: Briss had threatened him with a knife. There are also 201 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: reports of a nurse hanging herself in Room five oh 202 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: two after becoming pregnant out of wedlock, and another nurse 203 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: jumping off the roof to her death after being diagnosed 204 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: with tuberculosis, herself. Waverly Hills has since opened to tours 205 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: and is a popular site for paranormal investigation. Visitors report 206 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: seeing countless shadow people and ghostly children, including a mysterious 207 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: man in white drifting through corridors, and a spectral boy 208 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: named Timmy who roams the halls and likes to play ball. 209 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: Also frequently reported are light anomalies and apparitions in the 210 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: body shoot wave. Really Hills has such a reputation for 211 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: being haunted, it's often referred to by paranormal researchers as 212 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: the most haunted location in the United States, if not 213 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: the world. Over the years, I've investigated Waverly Hills many times, 214 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: including a few times with my bff Adam Bury. Adam 215 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: and I share the screen on Discovery Plus and Travel 216 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: channels show Kindred Spirits, which we filmed an episode of 217 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: at Waverley, and before that we were paired up on 218 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: Ghost Hunters, where we also filmed multiple episodes at Waverley. 219 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: We've had some wild experiences there over the years, so 220 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: I figured it would be fun to chat with him 221 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: about our experiences there and our theories as to why 222 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: Waverley is just so darn haunted. So that is coming 223 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: up after the break. So, since we have been chatting 224 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: about Waverly Hills, I thought there was no one better 225 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: to join me in the second half of the podcast 226 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: than Mr Adam Berry himself. Hello Adam Berry, Hello Amy Bruneing. Um. 227 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how many people out there know this, 228 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: but Waverly Hills is really kind of responsible for the 229 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: show Kindred Spirits coming about in a way. That was 230 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: a case that we did on Ghost Hunters, and it 231 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: wasn't the first time, but it was one of the 232 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: most profound times where we left the case feeling kind 233 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: of guilty, like we had unfinished business there. And so 234 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, can you kind of tell the story 235 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: of what happened to us at Waverly Hills and why 236 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: that inspired the show. Yes, So at this point in 237 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: our relationship when we did that case, we've been working 238 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: together for many, multiple years, and we had got at 239 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: that point. We had the same investigation style, we had 240 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: the same sort of belief system about what we were 241 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: trying to do as you and I right in this team. 242 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: And when we got to Waverley, they had opened up 243 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: a brand new corridor or a new wing, and they 244 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: called it the nurses wing. And so I remember you 245 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: and I really wanted to get in there, and everybody 246 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: went before us. That's the way it was back then. 247 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: Everybody had already investigated, you know, got in there before us. 248 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: But so we were the last to go, and I 249 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: think it, I think we saved the best for last 250 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: in my opinion. Right, we got into this this hallway, 251 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: and the weirdest part about it as we started hearing 252 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: these knocks, or we had asked for these knocks to happen, 253 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: because it was just an easy way for us to 254 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: just see if any you know, anybody was there, any 255 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: spirits were there. And I remember we asked for someone 256 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: to knock and it happened, and we both were like, oh, 257 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: that's very strange. And then we'd asked them to do 258 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: it again, and it would do it again, like immediately after. 259 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: And so we started playing around with this because you 260 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: and I had never experienced something so immediate. I would say, 261 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: like that would just continuously happen over and over again. 262 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: So like I put my hand on the window frame, uh, 263 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: and I said, can you knock on the wood beside 264 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: my hand? And then it would knock on the wood 265 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: beside my hand, which was bizarre, and I think we 266 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: were able to you know, we said everyone, you know, 267 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: if you're a nurse in here and you want to 268 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: talk to us and reach out to us, if you 269 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: could each knock individually so we could count how many 270 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: there are of you, and I think we got to 271 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen at this point. You and I wanted 272 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: to help somehow, right, like, we don't know who they are, 273 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: we don't know why they're there, but this is the 274 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: direction we were leaning towards as investigators, Like we were 275 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: done verifying that they exist. We wanted to help them. 276 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: But the only thing that we could do, you know, 277 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: we asked if they wanted prayer, and there was like 278 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of knocks, and so we said, in our 279 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: own way, a little prayer. And what was insane is 280 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: like during this prayer, which probably lasted, you know, forty 281 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: five seconds to a minute, there was no knocks, no sounds, nothing, 282 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: And then as soon as we said I'm in, knock, 283 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: knock as if they were saying thank you. And you know, 284 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: as investigators, you think about what that is like. It's 285 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: when there was nothing happening during the prayer. Obviously it 286 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: wasn't naturally happening. It wasn't rain, it wasn't a motor 287 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: or something mechanical. They were legit listening. And then you 288 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: and I sad to say, at like three or four am, 289 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: we're going into overtime. Our camera crew has been working 290 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: all day long. We have to go. And as we're 291 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: leaving the nurse's wing, we just hear knocks knocks, and 292 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: they're just following us down the hallway like almost to 293 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: say like please don't go, like we're making progress, and 294 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: we we had to leave, and that was the catalyst 295 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: for Kindred Spirits because we were like, we no longer 296 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: want to leave a location without doing something to help 297 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: or to get a message across, Like we wanted to 298 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: do more than just verified. And that literally was it. 299 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: We were like, we're, yeah, we're done just saying there's 300 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: a spooky ghost here. We're gonna find out who they are. Yeah, 301 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: that is exactly right. And I felt like I remember 302 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: being in that area and just feeling this very heavy 303 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: guilty feeling because I think you and I could just 304 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: sense that whoever was there was so desperately trying to 305 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: communicate with us for whatever reason. We didn't know why, 306 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: like why they were so intent on it, and it 307 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: went on for so long, and then we still had 308 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: to leave, and I remember walking down that hallway as 309 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: those knocks continued next to us, and like just tears 310 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: running down my face because I was like, I never 311 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: you put your arm around me. That's the second wait. Wait, 312 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: that was the first of two times that that would 313 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: happen at Waverly exactly, and so I just remember thinking like, 314 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: this can't be it. We can't keep doing this. When 315 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: I got back to the hotel, the sun is rising, 316 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: like I can hear the birds starting to sing outside, 317 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: and I swear as soon as my head hit the pillow, 318 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: I heard on my wall this knock knock, Like I 319 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: was like, I remember saying out loud, I'm so sorry. 320 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: We will be back. We will be back and we 321 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: will do something more. And so whenever people ask like 322 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: how did Kindred come about, I'm like, well, let me 323 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: tell you a story about Waverly Hills. So just now 324 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: my my my wall cracked. They know, they know, yeah, 325 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: so it is a special place for us. I had 326 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: gone to Waverly Hills so before I was ever on TV, 327 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: I had been on a few paranormal teams, and one 328 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: of the teams I was on, we actually kind of 329 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: I lived in California at the time, and we made 330 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: the trip to Waverley for an organized paranormal experience, right 331 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: like an investigation. And I think they were probably twenty 332 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 1: of us total, which Waverly is more than capable of 333 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: handling twenty people. It's massive, and I will never forget, 334 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: like this was the first time I had ever done 335 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: one of these kind of larger scale investigations, and I 336 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: will never forget, like the time you could only go 337 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: in one way, and so I remember Tina maddingly then 338 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: opening the door for us to that hallway, the one 339 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: where you go down and there's that kind of that 340 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: pellet stove that was the only way in. Like once 341 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: that door closed, everything else was boarded shut. And so 342 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: I remember making that walk and as I was walking, 343 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: like seriously having a panic attack because I was like, 344 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: I know something is going to happen here. I am 345 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: one going to have some sort of experience in this place. 346 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: And it was just quiet, and then that door just 347 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: slams behind you, and Tina's like, I'll get you at 348 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: two I am or whatever it was that remember what 349 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: time door slam shut, and so it actually that night 350 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: I was there for hours and that was one of 351 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: the first really strong e v P s I got. 352 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: I mean maybe not the first, but it was a 353 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: very pelling one. I actually played it on a radio 354 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: program a few months later. So the e v P 355 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: that I got, I was on the first floor and 356 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: I was walking along. There were just a few of 357 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: us down there, and just kind of walking by these 358 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: old rooms. Now, back then, Waverley was a lot like 359 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: they've done a lot of work there over the years, 360 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: and that time it kind of reminded me of like 361 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: what Belvoir Winery is like, like what the Odd Fellows 362 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: is very overgrown, not trash, but just debris everywhere, like 363 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: you couldn't walk anywhere without making huge crunch crunch noises. 364 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: And so I was walking down that first floor and 365 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: some of the people I was with they kind of 366 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: took off, and so I was literally like by myself, 367 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: and I kind of did something that you and I 368 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: have done in recent years, where I decided I was 369 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: going to walk by these rooms, and the room that 370 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: called out to me or that felt like I should 371 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: go into, I would go into that room and do 372 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: an e v P session. So I did that and 373 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: I felt I walked by this room and it just 374 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: something about it drew me to it, and I went 375 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: in and I did an e VP session and asked 376 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: a bunch of questions and then stop my recorder and 377 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: left and did not listen to that recording until I 378 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: was back in California. And when I got back to California, 379 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: I was like reviewing all my evidence, which is also 380 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: why we do real time e v P listening now, 381 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: where we listen back right away. I can't remember what 382 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: the question was that I asked. I said something along 383 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: the lines of, you know, is someone here? Who are you? 384 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: And all I got was this really strong female whisper 385 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: in the room with me. I was by myself, and 386 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: she just said where did I go? And I was like, 387 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: I heard that back home in California, and I was thinking, 388 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, who is this poor woman who asked 389 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: me this very profound question. And then I was like, 390 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: piece up, see you. You know, so you had another 391 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: But apparently I wasn't far along enough in my paranormal 392 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: career to have be a moment that maybe kind of 393 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: rethink what I was doing. But so bizarre totally, But 394 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: didn't you have that in the back of your mind 395 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: every time you go there afterwards? Like you know what 396 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's just always sort of like sitting yes, yes, 397 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: absolutely the way, and I think you agree. The way 398 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: I always view Waverley is that there are so many 399 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: spirits there and sometimes it's hard to kind of break 400 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: through individually, to get their individual stories. And it's kind 401 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: of like our work there is never finished, And so 402 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: is that woman still there? Has someone since gone there 403 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: and helped her? Did she figure out where she went? 404 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: Did she go where she was supposed to go? You know, 405 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: so many questions, so you and also invove, did you 406 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: do Waverley with Ghost Hunter's Academy to girl? Let me 407 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: just say so, I knew about Waverley right. The thing 408 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: about academy Ghostner's Academy, which we're gonna bring it if 409 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: anyone doesn't know what this is. It was a spin 410 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: off show of ghost Centers called ghost Unders Academy where 411 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: they would take quote unquote cadets. That's the cutest thing 412 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: I've ever been called ever. It's like a boy scout um. 413 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: They would take cadets and put them in like really 414 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: haunted places and then they you know, they would educate 415 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: Stephen Dave would educate the TAPS way of investigating, and 416 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: then they would observe and and somebody would be eliminated. 417 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: But the main thing was you did not know where 418 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: you were going, Like they would keep the locations from us, 419 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: and so we would like drive up and we'd be 420 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: like at Waverley or trans Alleghany or the Stanley Hotel, 421 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: which by the way, are like the most badass locations. Yeah. Right, 422 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: So the my first the first episode that I was 423 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: on was Waverly Hills and we all drove up and 424 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: there I was standing in front of this massive location 425 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: that I had known about. And so that was my 426 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: not only my first experience investigating a location like that, 427 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: like huge. Usually I was in like old houses and stuff. 428 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: But like, first off that too. I had left my 429 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: house at two am. It was now two m and 430 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: I was filming a TV show. So I had been 431 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: up since two am. It's now two PM, and we 432 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: didn't stop filming until four AM. So let's let's do that. 433 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: And three, it's like you're sort of like thrust into 434 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: this environment where you're like, okay, I've always wanted to 435 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: be here. This is really weird now I'm being filmed 436 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: being here. Plus I have to focus on everything else. 437 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: So that first day it was an absolute whirlwind. And 438 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: it was January, so you know it was it was freezing. 439 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh that place gets so cold that you you don't 440 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: expect it, but there is nothing colder than Waverley Hills 441 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: in the winter because it's just cement all around you. 442 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: It's dangerously cold, I would say freezing frigid. And so 443 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: it's it's been so I spent twelve years, but like 444 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: I do remember, we had really crazy experiences. I think 445 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: we heard footsteps at one point that we couldn't identify. 446 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: And it was one of those places that you obviously 447 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: never forget. I mean, your first time at Waverley you 448 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: never we get. So that I did it on Academy, 449 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: and then you and I got to do it on 450 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: Ghost Tuners, and then you and I got to go 451 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: back for a candred you know, three times at least 452 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: at least three times, and I've been there at least 453 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: two or three times outside of filming. So yeah, it's 454 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: just one of those places I feel like we get, 455 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: you know, it is the paranormal investigators, like, what would 456 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: that be to other people like that? I mean, it's 457 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: like it is, it is the holy Grail. And speaking 458 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: of I had like the holy Grail of experiences there 459 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: with you when we were filming Expirits, which to this 460 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: day is probably one of the most scared moments I've 461 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: ever had investigating. And so we clearly we had made 462 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: contact with this angry man. He had had a lot 463 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: of issues in life and just some terrible things that 464 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: happened to him. And we first like, this guy was 465 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: just that the problem was that, and Tina brought him 466 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: up to us at the time where she was saying 467 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 1: that at people kept getting this man screaming on the 468 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: fourth floor and she even said she heard him scream 469 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: in her ear and he was coming through the spirit box. 470 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: And then I remember we did an e VP session 471 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: and we played it back and there was just this 472 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: man's screaming, and so we kind of brought up these 473 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: different stories that we had found in newspapers and he 474 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: seemed to be this man named John Mitchell. So anyway, 475 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: you and I were trying to reach out to this guy, 476 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: and he clearly wanted no part of any of this, 477 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: and so we're standing. So much happened at once. This 478 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: is one of those moments in paranormal investigating where like 479 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: it's really important when multiple things happened together. And so 480 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: in this case, you and I are standing on the 481 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: fourth floor. We're looking kind of down this hallway. We 482 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: feel a breeze, which on its own is not a 483 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: big deal. There's some windows missing whatever. We hear these 484 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: leaves kind of blowing down the corridor, which again like 485 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: they make kind of a scratching sound, but we're like, okay, 486 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: maybe that could be just the breeze. But with that breeze, 487 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: we start hearing footsteps like this, click click, click, and 488 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: you and I are like, what the heck? And so 489 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: we're staring in that direction, waiting to say, like, what 490 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: is happening here? Everyone the whole crew, and everyone's just 491 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: looking at each other like what the heck is going on? 492 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 1: And suddenly this man just appears in front of us. 493 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 1: And I'm staring right at this guy, like he just 494 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: flashes out of nowhere, and he looks so angry, and 495 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: he's just staring at us, and I see he's wearing 496 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: some sort of like kind of brownish canvasy looking maybe 497 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: almost jumpsuit thing, and then he disappears, and I'm like, 498 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, Adam, did you see that? And I 499 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: think you saw like kind of the tail end of it, 500 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: but you saw something, and then I was just like, 501 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: what the heck. So we go down at the same 502 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: time this is happening. Our poor producer Brian. He's like 503 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: he had had a coughing attack that he was trying 504 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: to kind of silence is very dusty in there, and 505 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: he kept feeling someone pushing on his back the whole time, 506 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: like wow, like, and so he finally backed himself against 507 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: a wall because something wouldn't stop pushing him. At the 508 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: same time, and then you and I stand in the 509 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: hallway and we try to continue our e v P moment. 510 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: We're listening to it back and something grabs my arm 511 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: so much that I just jump and I think I 512 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: let out the longest stream of f bombs I have 513 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: ever Blame me for doing it. You're like you grabbed me. 514 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: You're like, you did it. Don't do that. And then 515 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: I did not do it, and we looked back at 516 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: the footage you didn't do it. So it was just 517 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: like this whole crazy moment where all of these things 518 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: kept happening, and I remember, I'll never forget. I think 519 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: they played it in on one of the bonus episodes, 520 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: but as we were leaving, I remember just covering my 521 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: eyes and holding on to you because I was like, 522 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: I just don't want to see that man again. I 523 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: just I mean it, I don't want to see him again. 524 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: And I even told Tina at the end of that, 525 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: I said, I don't know that I'll be coming back 526 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: to Waverly Hills anytime soon, Like it just really shook me. 527 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: And I have not been back since, although I haven't 528 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: had the opportunity. I'm working on it, but I mean, 529 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: I do remember the whole experience seemed like a horror 530 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: movie at a point, because with the wind and the footsteps, 531 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: we acknowledge the wind, and I even think I said, 532 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: that's free, Like that's like a horror movie. Like I say, 533 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: I acknowledge the oddness of the wind, just all of 534 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: a sudden picking up with the footsteps and the leaves, 535 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: and then it happens, and I did see the tail end. 536 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like he had like a brown 537 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: bowl cut kind of situation going on. I don't know, 538 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: I just remember seeing his face. He has a very 539 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: distinct look, but I got a very good look at him, 540 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: and he did have brown hair. Yeah, and like he 541 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: what's weird is like he's sort of manifested and then 542 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: sucked back like like it went away. It's just the 543 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: weirdest thing. It was very much him being like I 544 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: don't want to talk to any Nothing you can say 545 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: will make me feel better about what happened to me 546 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: and my life, and I'm just going to stay here 547 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: until I'm ready to go. Yeah. Also, well, and it 548 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: was so sad. His whole his whole story is so sad. 549 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: Someone's like a self imposed sentence of sorts, like where 550 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: he's like I'm just still grieving or something. He didn't 551 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: even die it way, really, he got moved. He did 552 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: die of tuberculosis. He got moved to a different hospital 553 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: because they moved a bunch of people I think when 554 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: it closed. And but he spent I think twelve or 555 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: thirteen years there. Yeah, I mean. And also before he 556 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: appeared to us, before that happened, I was using the 557 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: SLS camera and I remember it just kept getting shut 558 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: off and it was like it was fully charged, and 559 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: I would open it up and I would point it 560 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: in that direction and it would shut off, and then 561 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: I would do it again, and then it would shut off, 562 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: and I remember getting so mad about it. I was like, 563 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: I am so mad. Stopped messing with my equipment, and 564 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: you were like, Okay, calm down, and I was like, 565 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight. You know. It was just like it 566 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: was as if this entity, this person had a plan, 567 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: was like I'm going to show myself to you. You 568 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like it's like I don't want 569 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: to be used in that manner or something. I will say. 570 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: That was the one time, like when you were so mad, 571 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I think something here is affecting at them, 572 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: like it really did. I was really for a moment, 573 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: I was like, is this it is this when we 574 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: finally get possessed. Is this time like like here goes 575 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: everyone's waiting for it. I mean maybe, I mean the 576 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 1: energy in that space is very, very strange, and you 577 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: and I are really tuned in sometimes to the environment, 578 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes we might not recognize it. And 579 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: if fire temperament is going in a different direction, I think, 580 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we are you know, maybe we are 581 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: just being not possessed. But like affected by the energy 582 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: around us, because when you and I investigate, I feel 583 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: like there's an exchange of energy between the things that 584 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: we're talking to people were trying to reach in the 585 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: spirits that we're reaching out to end us. And I 586 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: think in a way that's why we get such good 587 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: evidence and good community patian because of our energy and 588 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: collective whatever. So I think maybe it is maybe we 589 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: do get slightly affected. Well, you know, it's it's like 590 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: our version of reading the room, you know what I mean. 591 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: It's like it happens with living people all the time. 592 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: You and I talked about this. Whenever we do like 593 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: meet and greets and things, sometimes people come up to 594 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: us and we're just like that person is having a 595 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: bad day, you know, or like like we or that 596 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: person is just really lovely and bright, and like it's 597 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: not what they're saying, it's just that energy that they're 598 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: giving off. Like you just get a feeling from people 599 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: standing in front of you and you feel that, and 600 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: so what's to say that that kind of feeling is 601 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: not there in the spirit world and we're not kind 602 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: of picking up on that from the dead as well. 603 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: And we've really just filled with so much that we've 604 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: really filled with so many things. And like I said 605 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: when we first started, like you will not walk into 606 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: that place and not have an experience. I know, shadow 607 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: figures are prevalent there. I've seen many. The footsteps are 608 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: crazy and it is almost like they're messing with you. 609 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've experienced that. There walk behind 610 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: you and you stop and they stop. Yeah, it's like 611 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things like I think I 612 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: got an e v P my first time there of 613 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: the footsteps and what I swear to God was like 614 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: a rolling cart sound near the Death Tunnel or the 615 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: Death Shoot, Like it literally sounded like a cart, you know, 616 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: like they were rolling somebody like down into that Nobody 617 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: was there. It's a it's a crazy it's a crazy, 618 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: crazy location that like when you and I investigated Waverley 619 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: for Kindred, there were times we had to go and 620 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: get something by ourselves in that location with no one 621 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: else because our crew is very small. We had left 622 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: with you and I. It's less than its seven crew 623 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: members and you and I, you know, there were times 624 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: that we were alone alone, like walking all the way 625 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: to the fourth floor to get a camera or to 626 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: get a piece of equipment. I think we even left 627 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: equipment there on accident. We were like, well left it 628 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: waver please, you know, because you wouldn't find it. But 629 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: it's it changes you every time that you go. It's 630 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: always haunted. And I guess, you know, listeners want to know, Amy, 631 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: are we going to go back, because if you recall, 632 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: we went to Waverley for Kindred to go to the 633 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: nurse's wing, right and to sort of close that chapter 634 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: for us, But because Tina, she had an experience that 635 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: was really frightening, and for Tina to have an experience 636 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: that's frightening is saying something, and so our entire purpose 637 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: I guess changed for that case. And so now we 638 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: gotta we have to go back and close that nurse chapter, 639 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: I hope. So you know, I mean, Waverley is there's 640 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: a lot going on there right now, and I am 641 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: sure that some listeners might know this, but Tina and Charlie, 642 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: who ran it for a long time, I think they're 643 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: still involved in some way. But then there's a historical 644 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: society that's there, and there seems to be some sort 645 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: of tension or legal thing going on, and it's really 646 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: hard from the outside, because I have the utmost respect 647 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: for Tina and Charlie, I have the utmost respect for 648 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: the historical society, and so I just really hope that 649 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: somehow it comes to kind of an amicable solution. So 650 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 1: I just I wish everyone involved with that place the best, 651 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: And you know, I think we're all kind of eagerly 652 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: watching to see what happens. But at least there are 653 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: people they're still tending to it. I know people can 654 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: still investigate it. They can go to the Waverley Hills website, 655 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you and I will be back there 656 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form in the near future. 657 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: But you know, it's, as so many of these kind 658 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: of large historical places go, there's sometimes you know, just 659 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: trying to to keep it running gets complicated, especially with 660 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: like legal and tax issues. So hopefully they're able to 661 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: get it all ironed out. For sure, we have to 662 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: go back. We have to go back. We have to 663 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: go back. I know they would love to have us back. 664 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: I feel like it's made a profound impact on both 665 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: of our lives and our paranormal careers, and it's probably 666 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: done the same for so many people, paranormal and otherwise 667 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: but like I said, I couldn't think of a better 668 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: person to talk to about it because it means so 669 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: much to us. What are you up to? Like once 670 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: you do some, you know, shout out. I don't know, 671 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm not to nothing. But what is this airing? June? 672 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: No July, July? Well, right now, if you're listening and 673 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: it's mid July, Amy and I are both on a 674 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: European cruise with Strange Escapes, that's true. We probably will 675 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 1: be on the cruise when this comes out. No, actually, no, sorry, 676 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: this is coming out June. This is a season premiere, 677 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: so June, so we will be somewhere I don't know. 678 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: We will have just finished if you're listening, we will 679 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: have just finished the Strange Escapes event at the Belvoir Winery. 680 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, and then we're about to go on 681 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: a cruise, so hang out with us. We've got so 682 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: many things going on. We've got all these talks coming up. 683 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: Adam's got talks coming up, We've got events coming up. 684 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: We're leading into the busy season. So if you're listening 685 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: to this in the summer of fall of wo is 686 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: going to be crazy. Yeah, catch us, catch us if 687 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: you can yes, so well, hopefully I'll see you very soon. 688 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen him forever, so oh yeah, 689 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: I'll see you in a couple of weeks. Listeners, I 690 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: just saw her, but that's right, I'll see you again. 691 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: It's very confusing, okay, all right, well, thank you very much, 692 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: Mr Barry. It's a lovely time anytime I get to 693 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: speak with you, and I'll talk to you soon. You're welcome. 694 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: Knock knock. Waverley Hills Sanatorium clearly changed the entire direction 695 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: of my philosophy on ghosts and frankly, the trajectory of 696 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: my career as an investigator and researcher. I'm thankful for that, 697 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: but still have a lingering sense of longing and a 698 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: touch of guilt because of the spirits there. In my heart, 699 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: I know there are so many stories that remain untold 700 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: inside that massive Gothic structure, and every time I go there, 701 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: desperate voices begging to be heard. I implore you if 702 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: you visit Waverley Hills, have fun, of course, but please 703 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: remember the history there. Really ponder who could potentially be 704 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: reaching out to you and why. Most importantly, just listen. 705 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney, and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road 706 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and 707 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: Mild from Aaron Mankey. Haunted Road is hosted and written 708 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: by me Amy Bruney, additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn. The 709 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: show is edited and produced by rema El Kali and 710 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: supervising producer Josh Thing and executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, 711 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, 712 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 713 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.