Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness? Cult calling?
Speaker 1: How does it feel? Girl? How does it feel? You'll
Speaker 1: have to specify your query, dear? How does what feel?
Speaker 1: So many things were going on. I sort of wanted
Speaker 1: to see where you were at what you would pick
Speaker 1: as the it. I mean, you've capped off the season
Speaker 1: at SNL, You've arrived in l A for some quote
Speaker 1: unquote international press. I want to know how it feels,
Speaker 1: all of it. I don't know about you. I always
Speaker 1: have this latent period of like processing, like what the
Speaker 1: hell I just experienced? And I feel like I'm still
Speaker 1: I think it'll be like another five years before, right,
Speaker 1: I think. I think my latent superior is five years. Now.
Speaker 1: I'll go through something, but it'll take me five years
Speaker 1: to get clarity on what you are. You are a processor.
Speaker 1: You are a slow processor, and I don't that's not
Speaker 1: a no. I think it's that it's not functional. You
Speaker 1: cannot move through life this way. It's so awful, honey,
Speaker 1: better to be going on. Better to be a slow
Speaker 1: processor than someone that's like, I know how I feel
Speaker 1: about this, which is often me. And that's a rule.
Speaker 1: Of culture. And that's a rule of culture, honey, someone
Speaker 1: who's like, that's how I feel. But I often I like,
Speaker 1: for example, I'm a slow actor, not a slow processor.
Speaker 1: I process information very quickly. Like for example, I've known
Speaker 1: I needed a new shower curtain for about a year,
Speaker 1: but it was only today that I went out and
Speaker 1: acted on that. Oh thank god, But how much can
Speaker 1: I ask? How much like mold like stuff was on
Speaker 1: the old shower curtain. So I bought what was on
Speaker 1: one side of blue and on the other side white
Speaker 1: shower curtain. The bottom of the shower curtain was m
Speaker 1: let's call it like after make up a new color.
Speaker 1: I'm calling it after a night out piss yellow, sort
Speaker 1: of like a chock full. I realized I could never
Speaker 1: have another man over to my apartment. Like with with
Speaker 1: this being the situation, it was humiliating. I felt like
Speaker 1: I was straight or something. The bottom of the show
Speaker 1: the shower curtain was not after a night out piss yellow,
Speaker 1: And I went to the bed, bath and beyond and
Speaker 1: got a new shower curtain. At some point, like this
Speaker 1: will bleed over into other areas of my life, like
Speaker 1: I'll finally put the license plates on my car. They've
Speaker 1: also been there for a year. I just can't seem
Speaker 1: to get the screwdriver out to do that. Slow processing
Speaker 1: versus slow acting rather be I thought you meant you
Speaker 1: were a slow film actor. I say, honey, I've seen
Speaker 1: you speak fast. Well, you know, so when you act
Speaker 1: on film, and this is for everyone out there listening,
Speaker 1: when you act on film, really bite those consonants, okay,
Speaker 1: because you want to give realism, but you also want
Speaker 1: clarity and diction and dexterity. So when you're auditioning out there,
Speaker 1: when you're presending your tapes, make to war that we're
Speaker 1: we're definitely keeping the energy and the pacing up, but
Speaker 1: we are giving consonants. What did I do to die today?
Speaker 1: At a minute? Or two till two? Go through your warmups, honey,
Speaker 1: go through the warmups. You know bo and Yanks process.
Speaker 1: He's a big repeater. I am a repetition is the
Speaker 1: key to learning. It's actually not it's actually not repetition.
Speaker 1: It's not pure not to Oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: so annoying. It's not actual repetition. But I did help
Speaker 1: Sandy Bullock learn like get off book on set because
Speaker 1: she was sucking up a line and bowen help me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, you just have to like
Speaker 1: keep repeating the connective tissue, so like in a line
Speaker 1: like more like most commonly it's like you like repeat
Speaker 1: like the words before and after a comma or like
Speaker 1: colon or something, and then that's so then you build
Speaker 1: the bridge in your mind to give into the next
Speaker 1: part of your line. So what you're saying is you
Speaker 1: were sort of Sandra bull was giving. I was being
Speaker 1: I was giving Sandra Bullocks acting teacher on set, and
Speaker 1: it was it was not unwelcome because I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I was. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: I think I might have something that can help. She's
Speaker 1: like please, because she had to say like a fictional
Speaker 1: made up like proper down and it was like ninety
Speaker 1: syllables long. And I was like, okay, I think you
Speaker 1: just got to repeat these syllables and then THEE syllables
Speaker 1: and then thee syllables, and she was like, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: guess what it worked. It worked. The first thing she
Speaker 1: said to me on the carpet of the premiere was
Speaker 1: tabakgadema fiskin now or whatever the hell the line was
Speaker 1: I forgot it, but she didn't because of me. And
Speaker 1: that's why I take the credit the film, which of
Speaker 1: course is titled The Road to El Dorado. Yes, what
Speaker 1: was the Atlantests. That's why, of course that film was
Speaker 1: so successful, because she had you on hand to to
Speaker 1: sort of walk her through it. And you can watch
Speaker 1: that movie on planes everywhere now Amount plus everywhere. Now
Speaker 1: it's on Paramount Plus. It's on planes. You can check
Speaker 1: out the Lost City small TV near you. Um so
Speaker 1: we we have an actor in the chat I mean nominated. Okay,
Speaker 1: he doesn't mean he certainly doesn't need you to run
Speaker 1: through getting a single now or tipped. Can't be bothered,
Speaker 1: can't be fucking bothered. But who are you I mean,
Speaker 1: I I mean nominee yourself. I'm so sick, especially after
Speaker 1: this last week with put On that I'm the out
Speaker 1: of now two weeks in a row to be the
Speaker 1: only non emy nominee. I think it sucks. You're you're
Speaker 1: going to get it. But this is such an it's
Speaker 1: an inevitability at this point for me to I mean nominated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. This is my this is my for
Speaker 1: your consideration, begging on my own podcasts, the members of
Speaker 1: the TV Academy, that's what That's why f I C.
Speaker 1: Is it such a filthy business? Don't you think? So
Speaker 1: dirty and disgusting and political? What we all do to
Speaker 1: sort of get the crumbs? Say that I said it?
Speaker 1: I know, well listen, listen, see this in my hands.
Speaker 1: This is the new novel by Ryan O'Connell, our guest.
Speaker 1: It's called Just by looking at him, I am thoroughly
Speaker 1: enjoying this. It's a hot cover. Can I say something
Speaker 1: didn't didn't get my copy? What didn't get Oh my god?
Speaker 1: The publicists are and I'm not talking to you are
Speaker 1: readers the public and you know that I read the
Speaker 1: galleys and I read the advanced copies for every single
Speaker 1: guest and for I'm mortified that this is someone who's writing.
Speaker 1: I've been following since and I'm going to say the words,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry if this solicits anything, but since the
Speaker 1: Thought Catalog days, I was reading every single one of
Speaker 1: our guests posts. And we don't have to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but I am a devout acolyte of the guest and
Speaker 1: this is actually, this is actually some pre I don't
Speaker 1: think so many raged for you, I did it. I
Speaker 1: activate I didn't get the copy, but you know, I'm
Speaker 1: reading it pool side this summer. Well, speaking of sort
Speaker 1: of by the water you were, you were mentioning the cover.
Speaker 1: Describe how hot the cover is. It's really hot cover.
Speaker 1: You've got like sort of like a glistened back. I
Speaker 1: love backs, some of the hottest body parts. Give it
Speaker 1: up for back? Well, did I did? You? I've told
Speaker 1: you about the first time I ever really the moment
Speaker 1: I realized that was gay, right, Who's back was it?
Speaker 1: It was this kid, this neighborhood boy. His name was
Speaker 1: Matt Ripple. Ripple very much rhymes with the nipple, and
Speaker 1: he came over to my house. I was eleven years old,
Speaker 1: and we were playing in my pool, and later that
Speaker 1: night I thought of his back and in an instant
Speaker 1: realized I wanted to like fuck his back. And I
Speaker 1: realized in that moment I was gay. So backs are
Speaker 1: that's are very sexual important. And I think that our
Speaker 1: guests sort of knew that by putting this very evocative
Speaker 1: back on the cover of his debut novel, So Wow,
Speaker 1: give it up. The novelist, writer, creator, creator of the
Speaker 1: iconic show special we had put on on last week.
Speaker 1: Now we have the star of special STARRT. Sorry, but
Speaker 1: you were build number two, and that happens in Hollywood sometimes. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what it's like
Speaker 1: to be number one on the call sheet. That's something
Speaker 1: I'll never knew. But when you know that's not true,
Speaker 1: I don't. It's not a guarantee for right. You know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen when we eventually get our film
Speaker 1: off the ground. It's going to be number one. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be alphabetical. It's gonna be alphabet It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be alphabetical. I'm so excited to read it over the
Speaker 1: summer that it's the perfect summer read. You really are
Speaker 1: gonna like it. I mean, it's The book has dragged
Speaker 1: me several times. And I don't mean me personally. I
Speaker 1: mean me sort of as a person. The book drags
Speaker 1: people that stand Kyle Richards it is. He calls it
Speaker 1: a mark of basicness. Um. The book drags people who
Speaker 1: mostly have West Elm furniture. I really took that one
Speaker 1: as well. Um, you know, but the book is um
Speaker 1: like the Beach House episode of Girls. A work of art,
Speaker 1: which is a line on page one of this book,
Speaker 1: which I read the Beach House episode of Girls. When
Speaker 1: I read it to you, I'm gonna read it. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. You know what I wanted to say to
Speaker 1: one of my co workers this week. I won't say who,
Speaker 1: but no, no, it was this, well, you think I
Speaker 1: want to be like you? Like mentally ill like you
Speaker 1: like mentally? Still so good, such a good line. Reading
Speaker 1: this is the read it. Okay, So they're talking about
Speaker 1: a man's penis, and the quote is that it's like
Speaker 1: the Beach House episode of Girls, a work of art,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you're hooked, You're hooked. And that's page one.
Speaker 1: I'm even. I didn't think I could get more angry
Speaker 1: that I don't have the I don't have the hard
Speaker 1: copy in my hands. Well, everybody who announced that Ryan's
Speaker 1: publicist is fired, fired, And we're also here to say
Speaker 1: June seventh is when the book comes out, and two
Speaker 1: days later, two days later, it's too fucking much. Queer
Speaker 1: as Folk the revival comes out. This trailer I did,
Speaker 1: I was, I was then was glued. I didn't need
Speaker 1: the trailer to be in but I was like, well fuck,
Speaker 1: And I asked him about his June, and he said,
Speaker 1: mute me on Instagram, and I will relate. No, everyone
Speaker 1: better mute me on Instagram in June. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of annoying ship coming up. Um, but listen, this
Speaker 1: is a true honor. And I think, like sort of,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really been time to have him about.
Speaker 1: It's been time. It's been time. We've we've we've all
Speaker 1: admired each other from afar or from up close at
Speaker 1: the same pool parties. Just by looking at him, just
Speaker 1: by looking at him, everyone, please welcome into your ears.
Speaker 1: Why that was absolute hell having first of all, you
Speaker 1: sent me on a fucking journey. First of all, my
Speaker 1: first thought was like, wow, I wonder if things have
Speaker 1: changed since they both become famous. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it was like, anyways, Sandy, sorry Sandy. I like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's librating, okay, well whatever, I'm like, things have shifted,
Speaker 1: things have shifted. And then all of a sudden, going
Speaker 1: how the words thought catalog, I was like, um, um,
Speaker 1: go back to your roots. We all have origins, Ryan,
Speaker 1: we do, we do, and mine are just very pub lock.
Speaker 1: But you know, it is what it is, Katie, It
Speaker 1: is what it is. But I feel like you were
Speaker 1: one of those first people and you've since transcended this
Speaker 1: sort of like type of existence, but like you were
Speaker 1: one of those Internet people who were like speaking to
Speaker 1: like a very queer like readership in an audience, and
Speaker 1: like when when not a lot of when not a
Speaker 1: lot of people were doing that, when it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Richard Lawson is going to write like a goodbye post
Speaker 1: on Gawker as fucking Tensley Mortimer, and like that's like
Speaker 1: the best we're ever going to get. But then but
Speaker 1: then Whyann O'Connell comes along and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this fucking idiot is ranking all the tracks on Blackout,
Speaker 1: Like hell, yes, that was a huge moment for me. Ryan,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, when I was working my shitty day
Speaker 1: job in college, I was like reading I was reading
Speaker 1: Thought Catalog every day and being like this guy gets
Speaker 1: it well. It was like a hipster sweatshop. It was
Speaker 1: like I had to write that. I had to like
Speaker 1: quite like three posts today. It was like I truly was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a time. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of It was a lot of pills, It was a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, and it was a lot of feelings
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, you know, I looked back at old
Speaker 1: me and I'm like, wow, she's got she got she's
Speaker 1: got balls, just put it in like she got something
Speaker 1: to say, you know what I mean. And it was
Speaker 1: this bizarre micro fame of like if I went to Metropolitan,
Speaker 1: I was like literally Brandelina, like like literally for like
Speaker 1: for for seven months, I was like brand Alina of Metropolitan.
Speaker 1: And then that was it. That's your that that's a
Speaker 1: twenty four year olds dream though. Oh that kind of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all I wanted. But I couldn't get laid to
Speaker 1: save my life. But I tried, like like you know,
Speaker 1: i'd have like you know, like readers of thought kind
Speaker 1: of come up to me. But it was I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't land the plane. Day, I couldn't land the plane.
Speaker 1: Oh this is this is basically my reality now, which
Speaker 1: is so refreshing to hear. I mean, it's it's nice
Speaker 1: to hear that you and you, as a twenty four
Speaker 1: year old we're experiencing things Matt and I experienced now
Speaker 1: well selfloading Trump's microphane yea yeah, you I mean Mann Man,
Speaker 1: I like talk all the time about like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: like do we how much do we identify with like
Speaker 1: ourselves back then? But I feel like maybe all three
Speaker 1: of us have, like for the best, really moved past
Speaker 1: those people, like like like become different people. I will.
Speaker 1: You know What's funny like a comment that I often
Speaker 1: get like from people that that listen to this podcast
Speaker 1: are like, you, like, we still love the pod, but
Speaker 1: you guys don't really go there like you used to.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what like ripping Anna Kendrick Limb from
Speaker 1: Limb publicly? No, we can't really do that, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, it's like and sometimes I
Speaker 1: do think about because Bone and I rode for Vulture.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we we did the ranking things like
Speaker 1: one time. One of the one of the most iconic
Speaker 1: things about when that we did was what did we
Speaker 1: rank every drag race runway? Look? I think we did,
Speaker 1: which which we had no business doing. We ranked every
Speaker 1: snatch game and every runway look. And now it's like
Speaker 1: we look back and it's like, yeah, that was too
Speaker 1: That was to get that was to make seven hundred
Speaker 1: dollars each, but we had to That's actually a lot.
Speaker 1: It was way more. It was way more than we
Speaker 1: had been getting. Yeah, but you do what you have
Speaker 1: to do. You comment as as like a niche gay
Speaker 1: um internet person, which I mean, we all know what
Speaker 1: it's like. But when they when they're going to pay
Speaker 1: you money, and it's like, I don't have to wait,
Speaker 1: you know, an extra day of tables that time, like
Speaker 1: I'll go online and be a little snarky internet gay
Speaker 1: like you know I have I have the ability to
Speaker 1: do it, and they're gonna give me a hundred bucks
Speaker 1: right this drag race recap, So why not? Absolutely mean,
Speaker 1: it was also a different time online, like I was
Speaker 1: I was writing for thought kind of like from like
Speaker 1: two ten twelve, Like it just wasn't like it's like
Speaker 1: when people like went on Twitter to like l L
Speaker 1: get a job writing comedy. Like it was like, like
Speaker 1: you know, it was like the it was a much
Speaker 1: it was a much easy. Yeah. It was like it
Speaker 1: was like when you couldn't do it like a viral
Speaker 1: joke account and like like literally get a back deal
Speaker 1: from like literally being like blah blah blah things. Um,
Speaker 1: So it was like very like, oh, wasn't it so
Speaker 1: sweet and innocent back then? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was an easier time you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean people still came from me, like Gawker used
Speaker 1: to write posts like literally ripping me a new asshole
Speaker 1: like every single day. But um, I love that. You
Speaker 1: loved that, you loved that. We just we pissed. We
Speaker 1: pissed someone off. Recently, Matt on the Three Songs So
Speaker 1: and Three Songs with a Great Global song book. We
Speaker 1: we we meet me at our spot was somewhere in there,
Speaker 1: and we said meet me at a spot by Willow
Speaker 1: and some guy named Tyler, and then Tyler Cole himself
Speaker 1: commented on my grid post at least thanks for the disrespect.
Speaker 1: Well listen, and I was like, I'm not engage in this,
Speaker 1: Like this is like you know, like he has like
Speaker 1: one of the biggest songs in the last like two years.
Speaker 1: He's fine. He doesn't need me to like acknowledge his
Speaker 1: existence whatever. What I was just like, oh, but people
Speaker 1: still get. That's the thing is, it's like this thing
Speaker 1: of like this you. I think the three of us
Speaker 1: know we are not to be taken seriously, and so
Speaker 1: when people do, it's like, honey, that's your fault. You
Speaker 1: went ahead and lived life and decided to take me.
Speaker 1: Matt Roger seriously, and that's a that's that you need,
Speaker 1: you know, to invoke to the words of another podcast,
Speaker 1: seek treatment. I mean, like, if you take anything I
Speaker 1: ever do or say seriously, it's a huge problem that
Speaker 1: you have. Seriously. Well, what I dragged people? I take
Speaker 1: it very seriously. Oh the person you like genuinely dragged? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's the last person you're like, like openly, Yeah, who
Speaker 1: do you hate? Guess is it is theory hashet here? Well? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I feel like I'm pretty
Speaker 1: open about who I just like the Housewives, the Bravo people,
Speaker 1: which is like kind of like whatever, But I also
Speaker 1: feel like, but I also feel like in that space
Speaker 1: like going I'm going on watch what Happens Live like
Speaker 1: next month, and it's like this interesting space where like
Speaker 1: you can drag, but you can't like totally drag. So
Speaker 1: it's as actually both know in different forms. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so honey, it's giving tight rope, it's giving tight rope
Speaker 1: walk you know. So it's a little like so that's
Speaker 1: a little tricky dickie. But um, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: can't be tamed, honestly, Like I got a mouth, and
Speaker 1: like I the more I mean, the more famous people
Speaker 1: I meet, the more I'm convinced that everyone is truly
Speaker 1: mentally ill, and I get more annoyed by everybody things psychotic,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel like I want to hold back
Speaker 1: from any of that, because I also feel like putting
Speaker 1: famous people in a pedestals deeply wrong, because if anyone
Speaker 1: met anyone for five minutes, they would want to run
Speaker 1: away screaming if they're emotionally health You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: right right? I hope you don't take me um coaching
Speaker 1: Sandra Bulk through a line as psycho sas No, that
Speaker 1: was like, you like, we're on set, yeah, but sometimes
Speaker 1: on set. Sometimes sometimes you're on set. Even the most
Speaker 1: famous iconic actresses in the world don't know they're fucking
Speaker 1: lines and it's happening right now tonight in Hollywood tonight,
Speaker 1: somewhere in Hollywood. So somewhere tonight, Julia Roberts is turning
Speaker 1: to her left being like what is it, and over
Speaker 1: prepared little fag is like, it's this. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I'mvent Julia Roberts once when I was twelve years old. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Brockovich, not to brag, you know that
Speaker 1: house that she lived in that had rodents and iconic
Speaker 1: bad house. Yeah, she was deeply poor. That was my
Speaker 1: next door neighbor. You were you were an aaron at Carthon. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean actually sorry, I was behind the house. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. I was when we got when we got
Speaker 1: when we got the notice, my my heart felt, my asshole,
Speaker 1: and I literally picked my mom and I said, mom, oh, no,
Speaker 1: is she pour in the movie? Because we were so
Speaker 1: me like I was a Connie, like if Hollywood was
Speaker 1: gonna come here, it's not to like you know, it's
Speaker 1: not for clips and glass, you know what you mean.
Speaker 1: And then your mom's your mom dropped all the plates
Speaker 1: in her kitchen and said who lives like this like this? No,
Speaker 1: that was my That was my twelve girl dramatic ass.
Speaker 1: After I saw Black Bets in the theater's opening night,
Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, arank you, Julia, Julia rescue me.
Speaker 1: And I got her autographed by she autographed my US
Speaker 1: Weekly that she was on the cover up. Yeah, while
Speaker 1: she was on location on set as it were, absolutely honey,
Speaker 1: she was on set, honey. She was like, I hope
Speaker 1: that I hope the literal like like like lying on
Speaker 1: the cover was like which one of Julia Roberts's tits
Speaker 1: or aliens, like you US Weekly became like truly trash
Speaker 1: like that time, but there was a time when it
Speaker 1: was respectable and it's kind of around that time that
Speaker 1: was okay, so that's so amazing that you actually that's
Speaker 1: a really important thing. It was still respectable, so she
Speaker 1: was it was like the last dregs of the respectability era.
Speaker 1: And I think it became quickly US Weekly after she wrapped,
Speaker 1: after she wrapped up, but she was there for like
Speaker 1: two weeks bad. I mean, it was like real, like
Speaker 1: Julia was in the neighborhood and she was giving that
Speaker 1: miss witch Tom monologue like yards away from you, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, are you kidding me? And they're called boots.
Speaker 1: Actually that was probably no, that was that was somewhere else,
Speaker 1: but yes, of course there was so much going on.
Speaker 1: I love that movie. I mean, that's one of the
Speaker 1: movies endlessly quotable. It's incredible. It's I always cry when
Speaker 1: she like where does she go to? She goes to
Speaker 1: a car, No, she goes to like Mark. It's when
Speaker 1: she gives the settlement to like either Marge or Cherry Joe.
Speaker 1: It's it's Mark. It's Mark Hellgenburger. It's when she's they
Speaker 1: say how much. She says how much money is going
Speaker 1: to her family out of this settlement, and Mark goes,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how much money that is? Yes,
Speaker 1: but it's also but it's also isn't it doesn't Cherry
Speaker 1: at some point go like, we're gonna get the man, right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go that's Mark, That's that's Cherry. She's kind
Speaker 1: of stoic the whole movie. Cherry doesn't really have Yeah,
Speaker 1: doesn't much emotion. Yeah, Cherry is the one that she
Speaker 1: has to convince, and she's not budget Yeah, right right,
Speaker 1: What the hell is her name in the movie? Um,
Speaker 1: Pamela Duncan wouldn't even get on the phone with me.
Speaker 1: Pamela dunk Honey, you better name your character. This is
Speaker 1: this is a huge note to all. I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of actors or something, but there's also a
Speaker 1: lot of screenwriters listening, and so what I want to
Speaker 1: tell them is it's rule of culture two. You better
Speaker 1: your cha character, especially something like Pamela Duncan, Miss Pamela Duncan,
Speaker 1: who's a tough bitch because she's been sick for a while,
Speaker 1: and so of her kids. I can't come up with names.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's literally, I truly like black out and
Speaker 1: I've never heard a name of my hard. It's so hard.
Speaker 1: It's so hard. I can't come up with a real
Speaker 1: sounding name. Like all my names are like like all
Speaker 1: my names are like Pamela Guna or like you know,
Speaker 1: like Mariah Tooch. The reality is real, real names are stranger.
Speaker 1: They almost sound like Matt Ripple. That's a fake name.
Speaker 1: That's like four mean but like, but the real names
Speaker 1: are actually like you what, I believe that you write
Speaker 1: it and be like this is an exact actually yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Can I say some thing about the book? Though, he
Speaker 1: does drag people who name their dogs human names, and
Speaker 1: that is very much a direct drag on Jared Freeder. Wait,
Speaker 1: what are you talking? Oh Jane? No, Jane, No, Jane
Speaker 1: is so cute. Jane's acute name. There are certain names
Speaker 1: that are real that have versatility. Jane is verse, Okay,
Speaker 1: can be a dog, can be a human? Stop. Scott
Speaker 1: is like a no, Scott can't be a dog. No.
Speaker 1: And then I think in the book, I named the
Speaker 1: Monica name is Monica. I think I actually think Monica's verse. No,
Speaker 1: it's not Monica. Ashley is not verse. You can't name
Speaker 1: a dog Ashley. I think you could. That's psychotic like Ashley.
Speaker 1: You can't be like Monica. And also what I love
Speaker 1: is the character in the book who's named his dog
Speaker 1: Monica is like a showrunner head writer of a TV show,
Speaker 1: and it's so like, my favorite character on Friends is Monica,
Speaker 1: and that's why I an my dog that the dog's
Speaker 1: fucking old. But you know, or maybe it's even lamur
Speaker 1: to have named the dog Monica after Monica from Friends
Speaker 1: in like two thousand nineteen. Yeah, honey, have you ever
Speaker 1: worked on a multi caam? I haven't had the pleasure.
Speaker 1: I guess Bowen sort of does. Is basically multi yea
Speaker 1: rule of culture. It's oh my god, a picture just
Speaker 1: fell off my wall, and you know who that is, Laura.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Lauren. A photo of me from How
Speaker 1: You Heard of Christmas just fell off the wall and
Speaker 1: plummeted to the ground and it was the spirit of Lauren. No,
Speaker 1: that's Chuck Laurie. That's Chuck Laurie. He's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: don't you dare coming to mind. Both these men still alive.
Speaker 1: By the way, Oh my god, I know we'll chuck.
Speaker 1: Laurie is gonna be like weakened up Bernie's at some
Speaker 1: point you're gonna like exhume his body from Definitely. Definitely.
Speaker 1: Let's just say I definitely love the book. Um and
Speaker 1: it's it's really is so great and like, you know
Speaker 1: what I love about this and bone we were saying
Speaker 1: short chapters, Yes, oh I love them. I'm so horny
Speaker 1: for a short chap, like think about like think about
Speaker 1: less than zero, think about play it as it lays, like,
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot. I love a short chap. But
Speaker 1: also the way that happened wasn't even like by design.
Speaker 1: I didn't even try to write a novel. It was
Speaker 1: just like special at just shutdown. We were in quarantine.
Speaker 1: It was like April I realized that the world that
Speaker 1: we were living in was hell, and I was like, okay, like,
Speaker 1: why don't I build myself a new world that I
Speaker 1: can get lost in it for you like a couple
Speaker 1: of hours a day? And then so I just wrote
Speaker 1: a thousand words a day and I thought, oh, surely
Speaker 1: this will run out of steam. Like I don't. This
Speaker 1: is just like it was like a choose your own adventure,
Speaker 1: and so I would just right, yeah, I would write
Speaker 1: a thousand words a day and and I feel like
Speaker 1: I was going to hit a wall but then I
Speaker 1: just gotta dot never did. So I feel like the
Speaker 1: short chaps were just how I wrote it once a
Speaker 1: day basically. Wow. I mean, isn't that like the the
Speaker 1: ideal creative scenario where you just like are plopping clay
Speaker 1: on the table over time and then by the end
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I have a novel. I'm so fucking
Speaker 1: spooked because the experience was so tbh gorgeous. And I
Speaker 1: feel like whenever you're supposed to talk about novels were like,
Speaker 1: oh years suffering pain, Well, people can't stop talking about
Speaker 1: how hard it is. I'm like, shut up, like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's hard. I'm sure I don't want to hear
Speaker 1: about how hard your process was. Like there are some
Speaker 1: literal books and I'm don't name names because I literally can't,
Speaker 1: but someone's autobiography it literally starts continues to be about
Speaker 1: an to write the book, and I'm like, shut up, mama,
Speaker 1: stop tell your funny stories and let's go Wait I
Speaker 1: feel like I know what you're talking about. Here, bleep
Speaker 1: this out. Oh god, that went a deep cut that
Speaker 1: came out like years ago, and you could tell that
Speaker 1: was like held together by silly string up. Someone had
Speaker 1: a deal. Let's just say that. I know. I also
Speaker 1: love like when they're like I just like I had
Speaker 1: to write this book and you're like, no, you actually didn't,
Speaker 1: and you have so much money, so like why did
Speaker 1: you need this? And by the way, even like a
Speaker 1: lot of money in book, it's still like not a
Speaker 1: lot of money, so it's sort of like why did
Speaker 1: you do this? Like so confused? Life changing? It's life changing,
Speaker 1: fund like truly, like I'm sorry, Like like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: we're so miserable, Like you could have just literally sat
Speaker 1: this one out and still been insanely rich. Like how
Speaker 1: much money does one person need? You know? I think
Speaker 1: that answer is going to scare a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like how much? How much money? Well,
Speaker 1: I think being around really wealthy people, like the furnace
Speaker 1: gets bigger and bigger, you have to feed the furnace,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you can't imagine living life
Speaker 1: for under twenty grand a month and you're just like wait,
Speaker 1: like a like, and it's that's when it gets a
Speaker 1: little spooky spaghetti dear what I mean, I'm I'm very
Speaker 1: close to like pumping the brakes, or just like looking
Speaker 1: through the books and being like to like slow my burn, honey,
Speaker 1: closed the book. Close, Honey, that book is haunted. Close
Speaker 1: it close it closes. I don't know, I think like
Speaker 1: thinking the book is haunted is gonna like ruin my
Speaker 1: life if I keep thinking the book is haunted and
Speaker 1: I should just get over my fear and just like
Speaker 1: do it. It's like it's like right, it's like starting
Speaker 1: an email that you like are dreading writing, or it's
Speaker 1: like every Saturday, like I like, I try to watch
Speaker 1: the rehearsal tapes from the week, and then I always
Speaker 1: dread doing it, but then I watch it and then
Speaker 1: it's fine, and I feel like it's that similar thing
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I don't want to do this, but
Speaker 1: I know I have to or I should. No. No,
Speaker 1: mine is never fun with us. All about relatability. Um no,
Speaker 1: it's all about being salt of the earth. Oh No,
Speaker 1: mine is never good. It's never like I have never
Speaker 1: opened my becoming like, oh my god, there's more than
Speaker 1: I like, Wow, I've actually not been so bad. It's
Speaker 1: always like you must be joking, And it's because I yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm like an uper SUV, like honey again, like
Speaker 1: are you okay? Like literally are you okay? But like
Speaker 1: I need to be like if I'm going to the
Speaker 1: West Side, I need to be swaddled in comfort, like
Speaker 1: I need to like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: if it's a long distance I mean I don't know,
Speaker 1: is this like that? And no, that is the one
Speaker 1: thing now now that I have, now that I'm a
Speaker 1: gay man with with and who will have no children partner,
Speaker 1: and I have play money. What I have been blowing
Speaker 1: in on is the the extra big lift and like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's if you guys don't need to do
Speaker 1: but you know what we do? We do? We do?
Speaker 1: We do? We do? We do? I mean hello, like
Speaker 1: to have control over the music, I mean profound, like
Speaker 1: literally being like, oh, can we do the Bluetooth hook up?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you kidding me? Gordon? I can't stress
Speaker 1: enough how important it is in l A to be
Speaker 1: able to choose the words quiet ride because these girls
Speaker 1: really in to talk. They're so into talking, and you
Speaker 1: really get the craziest people in l A. I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry when you have like a regular lift, the regular
Speaker 1: lift drivers some of them and Bowen, you remember this.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we were in l A. That
Speaker 1: crazy woman who drove us up a hill? You remember
Speaker 1: that crazy behind me? It was in Silver Lake. I
Speaker 1: think we're going to like Billy's Billy's house, and and
Speaker 1: we were being driven by this woman who was talking
Speaker 1: about how she wanted to make lift more of an experience.
Speaker 1: She was like, I want to do lift, but it's
Speaker 1: also a hotel. She she was literally like she was
Speaker 1: running the show we got in. I don't think we
Speaker 1: said a word. She was like, hey, my name is
Speaker 1: so and so, and I want us to be the
Speaker 1: best experience possible. In fact, I have a lot of
Speaker 1: plans for my future. I want to open a lift
Speaker 1: where I don't leave you a lot of the entire
Speaker 1: timere in l A. And it was just like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but if I can throw some money at this problem
Speaker 1: getting a lift, I've chosen the words quiet ride you
Speaker 1: in l A. You must And I if it's if
Speaker 1: it's that shitty thing that I'm spending expendable income on.
Speaker 1: Then that's that, so be it. It's really don't get
Speaker 1: the SUVs, don't get the why bo. I'm right here, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm right here. All I say is that last night
Speaker 1: I had to go to Venice to eat vegan food.
Speaker 1: It's like the gay draft. You after do it once
Speaker 1: a year and like your name gets called, you have
Speaker 1: to go to Vesta vegan food, and and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so profoundly unsoothed by eating, like having this moment
Speaker 1: that I need to get into an uber. I need
Speaker 1: to play protection by massive attack and I need to
Speaker 1: literally doom my way home. Do you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like that's literally what I need and maybe some
Speaker 1: sneaker pimps to do you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: that's just sort of my vibe. And it was it
Speaker 1: was honestly like hashtag recommended. It was amazing. Listen, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, it sort of is I mean, not attack,
Speaker 1: I rise up. And also I mean especially to and
Speaker 1: from airport. Get me, give me a boat, get me
Speaker 1: in another plane to my house. Yeah, because those are
Speaker 1: the only ones to pick you up at the l
Speaker 1: a X airport. Now, well, you just have to get
Speaker 1: a car service. But you have to get like call
Speaker 1: ahead and have someone you know what I mean, that's well,
Speaker 1: I don't know that that might be a step too
Speaker 1: far for me. Listen to you. You're like, you're like this,
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm a bad influenced baby. Don't stick with me,
Speaker 1: don't You'll be filing for bankruptcy and about like two months.
Speaker 1: It's honestly, it's not okay. Wait are you just go bo?
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, is this your Did you pick
Speaker 1: out the gorgeous ball paper behind you? Um? No, it
Speaker 1: came with the house. But but we did it. We did,
Speaker 1: we did. We did install our own town of Finland
Speaker 1: wallpaper into the bathroom because we want to love you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like guys getting dpid while you p and
Speaker 1: I just felt like very appropriate. It was just like
Speaker 1: a way to let the neighborhood know that like Gates
Speaker 1: had moved in, the kids are dead, like, let to
Speaker 1: move on. What I mean, You're inviting everyone from the
Speaker 1: neighborhood to the bathroom. Oh absolutely, it's the only way.
Speaker 1: It's the only way to know how to get to
Speaker 1: know people. Wait, are you up to date on Beverly Hills?
Speaker 1: Have you watched the first two I've seen, Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: I have, Yes, I have. Yeah, it's it's so the
Speaker 1: first episode was so heavy, obviously, Um, Sutton's reaction was
Speaker 1: absolutely bone chilling. Um, absolutely bone chilling, Like it's truly like.
Speaker 1: And then when she doubled down on it, I mean,
Speaker 1: by the way talk about I mean, by the way
Speaker 1: you mentioned me dragging Kyle Richards. But have you gotten
Speaker 1: to the amendum about Kyl Richards? No? Not yet. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: So I revised my opinion about her and k Yes,
Speaker 1: and I say that she is she is kind of basic,
Speaker 1: but she's an excellent producer, and she provides access to
Speaker 1: Kim Richards and Kathy Hillton, which are national treasures. So
Speaker 1: the thing with Kyle is that, honey, she's producing, she's
Speaker 1: going to work, honey, She's pounding the and and she's
Speaker 1: very savvy and she knows exactly how people are coming off.
Speaker 1: So when when Sutton her had the meat and Great
Speaker 1: where she was basically like, I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: the space to apologize for being a true sociopath yesterday,
Speaker 1: and then like you know, Sutton double triples down on
Speaker 1: having a bad day. Then you can see Kyle being like,
Speaker 1: oh honey, like you're not doing this correctly? Do what
Speaker 1: I mean? She's very no, which was what makes her
Speaker 1: a very good audience surrogate is that she knows what
Speaker 1: is being perceived, how things are going to come off. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But it's like and like Lisa Ren is giving a
Speaker 1: I Cyborg this season. She was getting I II Cyborg
Speaker 1: last season, but now it's really giving a I. It's
Speaker 1: like I I truly like her soul has left the building.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of it's a lot of screens.
Speaker 1: It's all of yes, girl like that. It's literally like
Speaker 1: a robot. Like I'm like literally like hot, like are
Speaker 1: you okay? So you know, look, I'm stunned that we
Speaker 1: could be here in this place talking about Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: because there was such a profound nose dive in quality
Speaker 1: for about four or five seasons, and because I'm deeply unwell,
Speaker 1: and We'll stick through these girls through anything, including Lucy
Speaker 1: Lucy Apple juice. We have suffered so much collectively, they
Speaker 1: put up, they put us through hell, and we are
Speaker 1: finally being rewarded, which I which I love. But holy shit,
Speaker 1: did we have to wait? Did we have to wait
Speaker 1: the you know what? I love what what? We'll talking
Speaker 1: about Kyle? Like? What? What? What? The My favorite thing
Speaker 1: about Kyle is she is the best. It's exactly what
Speaker 1: Bone said. She is the best housewife at being us,
Speaker 1: like she's all of us right now. Is very Kyle
Speaker 1: Richard's vibes. She can cry because someone is even feeling
Speaker 1: a little bit sad. She is extremely sympathetic, and she's
Speaker 1: very good at least portraying empathy. And she is the
Speaker 1: bleeding heart of the show. But the thing with her is,
Speaker 1: and it's it's sort of what Dorrit is not very
Speaker 1: good at. It always feels natural, Whereas with Dorite, I
Speaker 1: think even though she's gone through an extreme trauma, she
Speaker 1: could not hide the fact that. And I'm sorry for
Speaker 1: people that disagree, I'm sorry, but in that scene where
Speaker 1: she's telling Mauricio and the girls what happened to her,
Speaker 1: there is a little glimmer of glee in her eye
Speaker 1: because she knows she is holding the center diamonds and
Speaker 1: no one will be able to touch the storyline. And
Speaker 1: it's dark, but it's it's it, And you guys agree
Speaker 1: with me, Mad I'm getting full body chills because I
Speaker 1: also felt that way, but then I felt so bad
Speaker 1: for thinking that way because I, like, you know, reality
Speaker 1: shows have really kind of like done a number on me,
Speaker 1: like I believe, you know, in terms of like benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. I feel like everyone's just a human
Speaker 1: garbage can after watching them. So when when Derrie was
Speaker 1: when I saw the glimmer, When I saw that glimmer,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, Ryan, you're just you just you
Speaker 1: need to have some faith, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like she this is crazy, but I saw it and
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, wow, it was I'm saying
Speaker 1: it out loud, it was intense. But when did you
Speaker 1: see it? I did, And I'm just thinking I've always
Speaker 1: thought about this for all reality shows, like even like
Speaker 1: ninety Day where it's like you see the fucking you
Speaker 1: see the lighting rigs like in the shot, like you
Speaker 1: like really concern itself with like faking it that it's
Speaker 1: like an authentic moment because sometimes that sometimes Housewives does that.
Speaker 1: But I go, something in your brain has to like
Speaker 1: a small half lobe in your brain has to like
Speaker 1: die for you to like be able to live your
Speaker 1: life out while cameras are rolling in lights are like
Speaker 1: blasting in your face that like you were only thinking
Speaker 1: head too, like the tableau and the title sequence, like
Speaker 1: where am I landing in the do I get to
Speaker 1: her diamond? Like I think, like I think you guys
Speaker 1: are right, I just don't necessarily blame don't either, And
Speaker 1: then and I do want to stress like what happened
Speaker 1: to her is traumatic and I think and I think
Speaker 1: it's really I think it really happened to her. Let
Speaker 1: some people are getting targets with me saying I don't
Speaker 1: think it happened. That is really dark to say I
Speaker 1: don't think. But here's what I'm saying. I'm commenting not
Speaker 1: on Deret. I'm commenting on the fact that it was
Speaker 1: like involuntary, and that is something that is that I
Speaker 1: would think about all of the housewives. The only person
Speaker 1: who I think it looked like abject was having a
Speaker 1: bad time with their shitty storyline recently has been Erica,
Speaker 1: because I think that you know her entire image, what
Speaker 1: was at stake, like what happened, and it was happening
Speaker 1: to her, and what happened to Doret had happened to her,
Speaker 1: so whether it was like part of her process, so whatever,
Speaker 1: moving forward, I and obviously she was incredibly upset and
Speaker 1: disturbed and traumatized. And I'm sure we'll see you in
Speaker 1: future episodes. I just think that when there are cameras
Speaker 1: on you in that scenario, and and and what that,
Speaker 1: what you were all trying to do is stay on
Speaker 1: the show. No, you're not thankful that that happened to you.
Speaker 1: But there was a little moment where she activated and
Speaker 1: was doing housewives again on the show, which is crazy
Speaker 1: considering there had been a gun in her face in
Speaker 1: her home. And that is what I'm saying, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, it's like Bowen's right, if it rewires
Speaker 1: your brain, it really it changes how you process things
Speaker 1: that happened to you, and you do look at things
Speaker 1: in terms of your life, in terms of storylines, in
Speaker 1: terms of like what your arc is going to be,
Speaker 1: whether or not you're going to be untouchable from criticism,
Speaker 1: and like this definitely gets her get out of jail
Speaker 1: free card for sure. And and it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so profound only disturbing to me,
Speaker 1: but also like they I'm here, I just want to
Speaker 1: ask you both thoughts on Diana Jenkins, who I think
Speaker 1: is the best new housewife intro in very scenda, maybe
Speaker 1: very exciting. She's I mean, she's a little she's odd.
Speaker 1: She's an odd duck, you know. But we don't want
Speaker 1: normal woman, of course not. And she's not given that.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you that right now. She is not
Speaker 1: giving that she has of course she is the weird
Speaker 1: accent down she we have a weirder accent than the reads.
Speaker 1: We have more money than Erica. We have like more
Speaker 1: dismissive than like anything vander Pump would ever do. Like
Speaker 1: when she came in and she said to the conflict
Speaker 1: of the show, this is TACKI we need a new topic,
Speaker 1: class list, this is class class less. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love when a new housewife doesn't get the memo
Speaker 1: and really comes in hot and like blazes through and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh honey, you blew your load a little quickly,
Speaker 1: like you're already you're already producing, because that's that's thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: I love her whatever whatever, Like we'll see where she goes.
Speaker 1: But I think she's very very conchi of like what
Speaker 1: her job is, and I'm already seeing that happen. I'm
Speaker 1: already seeing like her being like okay, like what am
Speaker 1: I gonna do? Okay, well I'm gonna ruffle some feathers
Speaker 1: and like this is classless, which, by the way, is
Speaker 1: like put a super cut of like all the classless
Speaker 1: women saying this is classless. Like okay, like any update
Speaker 1: computer and board. So it's like, you know, but but
Speaker 1: so there is a little bit of like self awareness.
Speaker 1: But that is a hallmark of the Beverly Hills franchise.
Speaker 1: There's so they're so savvy that that's part of part
Speaker 1: of why the franchise has been less fun until, of course,
Speaker 1: Erica Jane allegedly embezzled millions of dollars. Thank god I
Speaker 1: got it all back on track. But um, but it's
Speaker 1: like because they are so hyper fucking aware of what
Speaker 1: to do, and it's just it's not as pleasurable, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I do find it amusing that.
Speaker 1: I I my theory is that Ash, her partner, and
Speaker 1: her son are clearly fucking or something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I would love that. I would love that. The husband,
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know if they're married or they're
Speaker 1: they're just dating, I believe engaged or gave like extremely
Speaker 1: serious either one he sucks dudes for sure. Yeah, sure, Broadways, Broadways.
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd necessarily who greeted Garcel like hate, gorgeous, stunning,
Speaker 1: something you actually slinging the house now. I know. I
Speaker 1: loved your role in the Jamie Fox Show. I'm a
Speaker 1: huge Garcel fan. Yeah, that's my wife over there. I
Speaker 1: love I love I love when days infiltrate the simulation.
Speaker 1: I love when gay I love when gays get in
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They take and they take
Speaker 1: a lonely, vulnerable, wealthy woman and they just they slide
Speaker 1: up and they just get right in there. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's that's Plato's gay cave, is that
Speaker 1: you realize that it's the project and then you want
Speaker 1: to go into the projection. Absolutely, and gay grifter, I mean, hello,
Speaker 1: there's so many gay grifter It's like like tales a
Speaker 1: little scot. I mean, Sutton literally will once a week
Speaker 1: if if you hang out at hid Tops enough, you
Speaker 1: will see Sutton walk down. Santa Monica bole of Are
Speaker 1: with her gay who allegedly was called f a g
Speaker 1: by Kathie Hilton this season, although it's just been disputed.
Speaker 1: I hope that I wish I wanted to be true.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be true by the way, of course,
Speaker 1: fucking like Kathy Hilton said that, Here's here's the thing.
Speaker 1: There is some weird paths that the Hilton's have always
Speaker 1: gone in terms of their history with like racism and
Speaker 1: like like Paris Hilton has been openly racist for like
Speaker 1: saying the N word all these horrible things, and she
Speaker 1: gets and like people just like then she's like, oops,
Speaker 1: I was traumatized by Utah Boarding School. Yes, and people
Speaker 1: like and people were like, oh my god, Queen, we
Speaker 1: love a redemption narrative. Yes, we've been so harsh on you,
Speaker 1: but blah blah. I mean, obviously both can be true,
Speaker 1: but like, but it's just like they're Republicans, Babe, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you. Like Cathellen is probably
Speaker 1: friends with gays and then like literally it's like love
Speaker 1: you like a sister and then votes against the rights
Speaker 1: when we're gone. I mean like literally, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's not surprising to me, and anyone that
Speaker 1: thinks that they're like actually for them is like disturbed,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, there are limits to
Speaker 1: like restitution narratives that are like very much in vogue
Speaker 1: right now, Like I don't know you. You gotta go like, well,
Speaker 1: Paris Hulton was like kind of like pound for pound,
Speaker 1: like a bad person, you know, like just like in
Speaker 1: terms of like if you like go through like if
Speaker 1: you sort of look at the totality of the person
Speaker 1: of Paras Hulton, like and like I just I say,
Speaker 1: this is someone who's met her with math same God
Speaker 1: we've changed. I'm like, I don't I don't love you,
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like worship you the way
Speaker 1: that like I think she thinks that everyone else does.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, I definitely, um, well, here's what
Speaker 1: I'd say about Paris Hilton. We definitely sang her second
Speaker 1: most famous song to her nothing Nothing, It's better. It's
Speaker 1: the better one. And so that's and just just to
Speaker 1: sort of own up completely to our stand um, to
Speaker 1: her face, her hands are not clean. Your well being
Speaker 1: is a job. It is it is it really is
Speaker 1: of interest. Being gay is a complicated job title of
Speaker 1: a title of app We gotta ask, we really do Matt,
Speaker 1: why don't you do it? Ryan? This is the big
Speaker 1: question of last cultures. Thus and the question is as follows,
Speaker 1: What was the culture that made you say culture is
Speaker 1: for me? Okay? Can I be like a pretentious bit
Speaker 1: about it? Growing up, I loved indie films, Okay, I
Speaker 1: did I love the era of Gregor Rocky. Okay, so who,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is this is my I've changed moment.
Speaker 1: I've become friends with Greig, and like, Greg doesn't understand
Speaker 1: how important he is to me, Like I think, really well,
Speaker 1: I mean I told him, I've told him, but he's
Speaker 1: kind of like law Town, USA, and like doesn't really
Speaker 1: take anything seriously. So I'm kind of like, okay, but no,
Speaker 1: like I'm truly addicted to you, and like, not only
Speaker 1: did you introduce me to shoegaze, which is like the
Speaker 1: only music I listened to, but it's like but also
Speaker 1: like you're you know, like the Living End and nowhere
Speaker 1: the Doom generation. Like yeah, like Kaboom, White Bird in
Speaker 1: a Blizzard, Like it's just so seminal, I mean like
Speaker 1: and but especially in the early nineties, he was making
Speaker 1: these gay art films that were just so incredible and
Speaker 1: so funny and dark and weird. So like I watched
Speaker 1: those as like a very very very small child because
Speaker 1: my parents do that could be any rules um um,
Speaker 1: so I was, I was doing that, and then I
Speaker 1: was like watching and then of course like Greg was
Speaker 1: really important to me. And then Parker Posey, which is
Speaker 1: like the day Trippers House of yes, um like uh,
Speaker 1: you know, clock Watchers with Lisa Coudreau and Tony Klett
Speaker 1: and a lot of I mean, I was like an
Speaker 1: indie film fucking freak. I had this gab asitter who
Speaker 1: was a lesbian well not at the time, like not
Speaker 1: out but like honey game recommendation yeah, which she literally
Speaker 1: was a softball coach, which was a little on the nose,
Speaker 1: but yeah um. And she took me to see Last
Speaker 1: Days of Disco when I was like ten years old,
Speaker 1: like with Chloe seven Yer, and like, I just I
Speaker 1: just love those movies so so deeply, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: there is like a gorgeous life. I felt like Bell
Speaker 1: in the Duty and the Beast like I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: as we know, I grew up on Aaron Brockovet Strye
Speaker 1: and then and then these were this was your library
Speaker 1: and the Beast Castle. You were absolutely absolutely And then
Speaker 1: another major moment was watching the show Popular Uh the
Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy's first show, Wow yeah, yeah yeah, And there
Speaker 1: was these two truly truly deranged characters, Mary Cherry and
Speaker 1: Nicole Julian. Oh you know yeah, Leslie Grossman and Tammy
Speaker 1: Lynn Michaels. And Leslie Grossman also a person that I've
Speaker 1: met and hung out with. And I'm like, you don't
Speaker 1: understand what this is. I know she she she like
Speaker 1: downplays her whole like what she means to gay people.
Speaker 1: No people, No, I know. By the way we went
Speaker 1: to Lascala of course, and and also and also she
Speaker 1: gave me a ride home. She's like, do you need
Speaker 1: a ride? I was like, because I feel like that
Speaker 1: could go either way. It was incredible. It wasn't that good.
Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was a natural extension of
Speaker 1: the moment. It was. It was. It was not it
Speaker 1: was not like, oh this got awkward now that we're
Speaker 1: like not at church, you know what's call it? Um.
Speaker 1: So she truly is an icon that I feel like
Speaker 1: people everyone everyone knows in their heart, but but for
Speaker 1: some reason, like maybe not everyone knows her name, but
Speaker 1: like she is like singular, yes she's that girl. Oh absolutely, so,
Speaker 1: I mean I was that bitch like I saw vision
Speaker 1: of suicides in the theater when I was like twelve,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, Sofia cop obsessed with Kirsten Dunes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always necessed with Kirsten so like, but
Speaker 1: like Popular was the first time, truly I think I
Speaker 1: realized I was gay. Because there used to be this
Speaker 1: message board called Television Without Pity, which was like the
Speaker 1: original episode recap, but it was like Dell computer vibes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was like yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: oh my god, say okay, of course it's like a lifeline. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And I remember like there was one episode of Popular
Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, this is about Josh because like
Speaker 1: getting on the football team, who cares? The only people
Speaker 1: watching this are women in gay men, And I was
Speaker 1: like and me. Then I was like, oh, I think
Speaker 1: I might be gay. And I mean I was like
Speaker 1: literally like in m roll call in middle school saying
Speaker 1: like like Ryan o'carlby like thank you, like Nicole Julian
Speaker 1: like literally like like like yeah, your personality I became.
Speaker 1: I became the cold joyant and Mary Cherry. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: that was like the first time I really understood like
Speaker 1: a queer sensibility and what that meant. And then of course,
Speaker 1: you know you mosy on over to Susan Sontag's notes
Speaker 1: on camp and then it's all makes sense to you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, but those where I
Speaker 1: mean it was but yeah, it was basically that me
Speaker 1: being in the Indian little bit, my crush being Parker Posey,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Really, that's that's really the
Speaker 1: breadth of that is is really is great. I've been
Speaker 1: watching a lot of Christopher Guests lately and truly just
Speaker 1: I honestly think what she does in those movies too
Speaker 1: is just it's so people don't she is, like she
Speaker 1: honestly deserves like a lifetime achievement oscar now for how
Speaker 1: singular she is to cinema and how she important important
Speaker 1: she was in the world you described, and also just
Speaker 1: the world of those mockumentary films, Like she is truly
Speaker 1: singular and needs even if I don't even know if
Speaker 1: she wants this, but she needs the moment that, like
Speaker 1: Jennifer Cool is just happening that that of course she
Speaker 1: wants it, Are you kidding me? But part of her
Speaker 1: makes me feel like she might be just too fucking
Speaker 1: cool for that, like she doesn't give a fuck. But
Speaker 1: then again, she was in Superman. She was no, honey,
Speaker 1: I think she really wants it. Yeah, I mean, who
Speaker 1: doesn't you know? I mean, but I think I think
Speaker 1: she's having her moment. She's in the staircase, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, I typically don't even watch scripted. Besides I
Speaker 1: love that for you, which, of course, which when by
Speaker 1: which I'm not even kidding you, Like, I am so
Speaker 1: obsessed with it, genuinely, and now you're so fucking funny
Speaker 1: in it. I'm like, she's an actor, Like okay, like
Speaker 1: she's giving actor thank you for saying this. I appreciative.
Speaker 1: It's honestly, it's it's really just fun to that character
Speaker 1: is fun to play, which is like, thanks fucking God,
Speaker 1: because we get i mean, we get offered so many
Speaker 1: things that are just like you know, come in and
Speaker 1: like ask someone where where you want to put something down,
Speaker 1: and so you get a character that's like fun to
Speaker 1: play and you don't have to write yourself. That's huge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I cannot. I cannot. And also it's just
Speaker 1: like deliciously weird. It's a weird show than I appreciate.
Speaker 1: I just love like when a show is not afraid
Speaker 1: to just be like kukumgogo, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely giving Vanessa. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's so much Vanessa, but the best way and
Speaker 1: the best you know. I love it. No, I know
Speaker 1: it's insane. She can literally just exist and it's like,
Speaker 1: and I guess that's what I mean about, like maybe
Speaker 1: she doesn't even give a funk because she, to me
Speaker 1: exists in a different plane of existence and like she
Speaker 1: need not care about all that ship. But then again,
Speaker 1: I guess it does matter. It does absolutely matters because
Speaker 1: of course, like she works really hard. I mean, anyone
Speaker 1: that works really hard, like once recognition, that's sort of
Speaker 1: like I mean, for someone to be beyond that is
Speaker 1: either like lobotomized or lying. What do you mean? So
Speaker 1: we love Actually, my friend Craig just directed her in
Speaker 1: a movie with Lisa, and I was like, first of all,
Speaker 1: like you're hanging out, You're hanging out with literally half
Speaker 1: a clod Watchers, which he's never seen, and I was
Speaker 1: like okay um, and I was like I'm literally gonna
Speaker 1: fly to fucking Massachusetts and like crash, this this is insane.
Speaker 1: I would be like, I would be so overwhelmed being
Speaker 1: and by the way, I don't want to meet like
Speaker 1: we talked before, like I don't want to meet any
Speaker 1: famous people because I I'm scared of all of them
Speaker 1: and like they're usually very unwell. But like Lisa, I
Speaker 1: would say, Lisa's when I would want to meet Lisa
Speaker 1: Coudreau Harker posey. I would love Mary Kittelson, I would
Speaker 1: love I would love Chloe Chloe seven for sure, I know,
Speaker 1: but I think that's kind of it. I think those
Speaker 1: are my four that I actually would want to meet.
Speaker 1: Everyone else can literally like go, I'm just avoid you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah? Oh, and I guess honestly,
Speaker 1: Kim Control was someone that I was obviously a bi
Speaker 1: pan of and now she pays my mom, So that
Speaker 1: was actually really amazing. I was wondering, Oh, honey, honey,
Speaker 1: what was that? Like, Honey, she's made first of all,
Speaker 1: I liked. I think that people are entering an era
Speaker 1: of like realizing how funny and cool she is. Did
Speaker 1: you see that Variety interviews she did? I didn't read it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, okay, you should because she's so
Speaker 1: fucking funny. She's dry as a goddamn bone, and she
Speaker 1: just like gives no fox in this really refreshingly honest way,
Speaker 1: which like, honestly, if you've been working forever, like why
Speaker 1: should you give any focks, like live your best sucking
Speaker 1: life and like be honest about things, and like that's amazing.
Speaker 1: So I feel like people are like really addicted to
Speaker 1: her right now, which like working with her was such
Speaker 1: a dream. She was such a she just she just
Speaker 1: gets it. She just sucking gets it, which like you
Speaker 1: know it's not only the case rightly. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm bowen, and I sort of feel we've said on
Speaker 1: this podcast that, well, Bone, do you agree with me
Speaker 1: when I say, if you've been famous for fifteen years
Speaker 1: at this point you have you need to retire. I
Speaker 1: think we need all the famous people were people after
Speaker 1: the Chris Rock Will Smith slap. I think we got
Speaker 1: on Install Live and we're like, I think we just
Speaker 1: need a refresh. We can talk about some people case
Speaker 1: by case, but general rule, if you've been famous for
Speaker 1: fifteen years or more, probably we need to I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they go somewhere. I'm just saying they stopped doing
Speaker 1: and being who they're being no more famed after fifteen years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so true. We should put a timer on it.
Speaker 1: And if they've evolved correctly, they should be glad to
Speaker 1: have the time to run out right. That's a big if.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes. But the thing with too, with like
Speaker 1: Kim Contral is like every single thing she says about
Speaker 1: not wanting to be on sex and this city understand
Speaker 1: and agree with. It's completely valid. It doesn't stop me
Speaker 1: from watching and just like that and being like maybe
Speaker 1: at the finale she comes around in the corner knowing
Speaker 1: full well that she would not, And I also like,
Speaker 1: you know, I do like the the part of me
Speaker 1: that's like the most basic like really does want that.
Speaker 1: But also I completely as a human being. Whenever Kim
Speaker 1: is asked to speak about it, which I can't believe
Speaker 1: she is, but she is, and she says no, the
Speaker 1: answer is no. It's a flat out no, it's a
Speaker 1: hard no. I'm not doing it. I don't enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy those people. It was a job. I'm
Speaker 1: always like yes literally and and and everyone shut up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Well, it's it's like that
Speaker 1: question of like what we're talking about earlier, like how
Speaker 1: much money do you need? Like clearly like she doesn't,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, she wants to be happy famously, she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to spend you know, more than an hour somewhere
Speaker 1: where she's not having the time for g damn life.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, love, um, so yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what she should be doing instead. You know, all the
Speaker 1: other ones are just like sure, we'll take this like
Speaker 1: rusty old Wagon out for a spin again, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's just, oh my god, what
Speaker 1: a horror show that show was. I cannot wait to
Speaker 1: watch forty more seasons. Similarly, it's truly like it's sex
Speaker 1: in the sim City. Like I truly like I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm in the Twilight Zone when I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: I really feel like it's like giving Westworld, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like not, it's not real. None
Speaker 1: of it is real. None of it is founded on
Speaker 1: like human emotions. I do think that once you enter
Speaker 1: a tax bracket you become so emotionally unintelligent. I think
Speaker 1: that really shows, do you know what I mean? I'm like,
Speaker 1: you really haven't met anyone in like twenty years have
Speaker 1: you You know what I mean? I always say like
Speaker 1: when you live in the canyon for too long, you
Speaker 1: lose reception. You know what I mean? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's genius. It feels true. But speaking of I mean,
Speaker 1: we are we are on record here on a lost
Speaker 1: culture as thinking that um and just like that is
Speaker 1: written by third graders. But the thing is like I
Speaker 1: I would if I could inject it into my body,
Speaker 1: I would. Um. And speaking of revival slash reboots, you are,
Speaker 1: of course sort of iconically a writer and star of
Speaker 1: the new queer as Folk revival. So I would like
Speaker 1: to ask pose this question, what was your experience with
Speaker 1: queer as Folk outside of masturbating to select clips of it? Um?
Speaker 1: That's basically it. Um. No, I mean, and thank you
Speaker 1: for being honest about that. No, I mean, here's the deal,
Speaker 1: here's the deal, and Kcock Media Training is gonna hate
Speaker 1: me for this. Um. But basically, UM, I watched, like
Speaker 1: anyone else, I watched the US Queer Spolke incognito Blockbuster video,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like literally like inspector Gadget,
Speaker 1: like there we go under the covers, and I was
Speaker 1: obviously very titillated. I was definitely like twelve year old
Speaker 1: hard um, like all all the things right. But of course,
Speaker 1: after like the come and euphoria washed off of me, Um,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, being gays gonna be hard. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna be good. I don't see me on that
Speaker 1: dance floor. By the way, this is not me like
Speaker 1: holding them to task. And I like, yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: queer to say about people like break, bring me a break, sweetie.
Speaker 1: It was like revolutionary. It was. It was absolutely groundbreaking.
Speaker 1: You know, now it's ben't twenty like and so, but
Speaker 1: but that that watching it in a way like it
Speaker 1: did a number on me, like no j K. And
Speaker 1: then this is when I got like corny about like
Speaker 1: representation mattering, but it did because that's the only lifeline
Speaker 1: that I had. And it was just sort of like
Speaker 1: and again, it's not a fault of theirs, it's not
Speaker 1: me dragging them, but it's just sort of like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I don't see myself having any kind of life that
Speaker 1: looks like there's so like off to the celibacy world.
Speaker 1: I go um. And so you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: in this today's oversaturated reboot climate, I feel like queers
Speaker 1: focus one of those rare things that can actually justify
Speaker 1: its existence because so much has sucking changed, Like and
Speaker 1: it's honey, like we were running on Safari for a
Speaker 1: long time, and now it's time to go to like,
Speaker 1: you know, Firefox or you know, maybe even Monterey or
Speaker 1: big Firefox is better than Safarty. You I think, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm Chrome Chrome. See this is clear
Speaker 1: clearly I'm not. No, please very queer fact checked me
Speaker 1: because I'm not a tech girl, And you're right, it's
Speaker 1: from it's giving Chrome under staying it would be super
Speaker 1: queer to be like I use Firefox. You know, fire
Speaker 1: it's actually culture number sixty. Firefox is queer browser. Clear browser.
Speaker 1: Um yeah. But I actually had never at the time. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about it at all because I was
Speaker 1: like a white gay kid living in a very white world,
Speaker 1: and I see this and it always like intimidated me
Speaker 1: because I felt like, even even from that perspective, it
Speaker 1: did present a world where you had to be like
Speaker 1: either very sexually experienced or find someone who was going
Speaker 1: to be your teacher, because that that was really that
Speaker 1: was really my imprint on it was it was this
Speaker 1: very I don't think I understood a thing that was
Speaker 1: going on. I just like because I was so preoccupied,
Speaker 1: like viscerally understanding what was happening when I was watching it.
Speaker 1: So but I never thought about it as something that
Speaker 1: felt like exclusionary because obviously it included a future version
Speaker 1: of me, of course, but it's interesting that you felt included,
Speaker 1: but you still felt very overwhelmed. And I think that,
Speaker 1: like I think that, like even like the hyper sexualized
Speaker 1: nature of the show, which like I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: gay sexpert days, you know me, But it's like this
Speaker 1: idea of like needing to be really amazing and bed
Speaker 1: and like knowing how to do all things, and like
Speaker 1: feeling you know, sexually inadequate, which I think a lot
Speaker 1: of gay men grappled with in a very real way. Um,
Speaker 1: because we have been so hyper sexualized and you know,
Speaker 1: there's all these stereotypes of us like which is fine,
Speaker 1: it's all like whatever, but it can kind of do
Speaker 1: a number on your self esteem and like the sexual arena,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? So it was it
Speaker 1: was cheat because like if twelve year old me, like
Speaker 1: you know, quietly masturbating into the covers, um, I knew
Speaker 1: that I was gonna be in the reboot, would be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you really are Virgo go off. That was pretty honestly
Speaker 1: has to be. What is the like, um connection between
Speaker 1: this one and the original? Are there any people that
Speaker 1: were involved in the original, like weighing no, which a
Speaker 1: lot of people on the internet seemed to be upset about.
Speaker 1: I'm like, honey, like, move on, dot Org. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You can watch the old Ones on DVD. How do
Speaker 1: you different it's a different era? Yeah, um yeah, you
Speaker 1: know they're is No, there's no like connective tissue. I
Speaker 1: mean there's like things that like feel spiritually resonant with
Speaker 1: like the original one, Like there's Babylon and the new one. Um,
Speaker 1: but it feels very much its own distinct show, which
Speaker 1: I was really really excited about, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was just really cool also like running for an
Speaker 1: all queer cast because we could be as messy and
Speaker 1: complicated as we wanted to be without feeling like we
Speaker 1: needed to represent entire like swap population, which I think
Speaker 1: sometimes people do feel that burden a little bit. I
Speaker 1: mean I never do tbh, but like it can be
Speaker 1: a problem that you know, shows run into and it
Speaker 1: was just amazing to just like be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: person's queer, this person's queer. Like I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: a straight person in the show is basically a diversity
Speaker 1: higher at this point, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: it was really fun. I wasn't supposed to be in
Speaker 1: it either. Stephen was like, oh, like you know, do
Speaker 1: you like you should be in it? And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: just dusting off the show. That was that went from
Speaker 1: just you being in the room to being on the cast.
Speaker 1: It was. It was when we met to be on
Speaker 1: the show and I was originally just meaning to be
Speaker 1: a writer, and he was like, I want you to
Speaker 1: be on the show, like as a serious regular and
Speaker 1: I I still the very complicated relation with acting, which
Speaker 1: was very relatable to God, and you don't have to
Speaker 1: tell these things behind bulletproof glass. It's like literally so obnoxious.
Speaker 1: But it's like I wasn't supposed to start and Special,
Speaker 1: and then I was, and then I thought after Special
Speaker 1: I would be done and never do it again, and um,
Speaker 1: and to go from that to this very quickly, it's
Speaker 1: been like I don't know, and like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just like feel I just have a lot of
Speaker 1: feelings about it and whether or not I think I
Speaker 1: have a lot of imposter syndrome tv H, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of imposter syndrome because um, I didn't go
Speaker 1: to school. I take writing very seriously, I really do.
Speaker 1: And I and and with acting, it's like I just
Speaker 1: kind of fell into it in this way, and I
Speaker 1: have a lot of guilt about that, and like whether
Speaker 1: or not I'm deserving to be there, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? But well, I can see feeling like
Speaker 1: that because but the thing about you is like you
Speaker 1: are a very authentic person and that comes through on screen.
Speaker 1: And I think that like you have such there is
Speaker 1: such a singularity to you that I feel like I understand,
Speaker 1: like you didn't go to school for acting. You feel
Speaker 1: like you're taking it from someone who did maybe or
Speaker 1: like whatever that is. But there's also something to say
Speaker 1: for Like, I mean, what we do is about communicating,
Speaker 1: and you are a very clear and good communicator, both
Speaker 1: on the page and on screen, and so I mean
Speaker 1: that's not a mistake and you deserve it, thank you,
Speaker 1: And that's also something to be said about There's also
Speaker 1: something to be said about you acting in extension to
Speaker 1: your writing. And you've only acted in things that you've Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never auditioned, like I can't do that?
Speaker 1: That would that would like give me like I can't. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a control freak. Second of all,
Speaker 1: so much of what for when no one's banged on
Speaker 1: my door? Of course, But like the few things I
Speaker 1: do get, it's like to play like someone you know,
Speaker 1: it's to play like someone from Pretty Little Liars piano teacher,
Speaker 1: like it's not you know what I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: like and and I remember the first time. I remember
Speaker 1: when Special came out. I was like, oh, I guess
Speaker 1: I should god an acting agent. I guess, like to
Speaker 1: see what that's about. And I remember I got My
Speaker 1: first thing was for the love Birds with Ray and
Speaker 1: it was awful. I mean it was it was really bad.
Speaker 1: And I remember I called my agent and I was like,
Speaker 1: can I rewrite this? And like genuine and she was like, no,
Speaker 1: you have to go in there and do it as written.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but it's bad, and she's like, you can't
Speaker 1: rewrite it. And I was like, oh then I can't
Speaker 1: do this. I'm like can't, I said, can I ever
Speaker 1: rewrite anything, and she goes no, and I'm like, so
Speaker 1: I have to take these pages. I have to do
Speaker 1: that and she's like yes, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: then don't send me anything. I wanted to do something
Speaker 1: that you wrote and have to go to go to you. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about reworking this scene. They well, because it'll
Speaker 1: be good. No, I really, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like, so much of it is so bad.
Speaker 1: I can't I can't wrap my hand around it. Is true,
Speaker 1: it's so bad and like and also part of it
Speaker 1: is I'm a control freak and I like to be
Speaker 1: you know, involved, but you know, in so many different ways.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I get kind of bored. I like doing all
Speaker 1: the stuff. It's really exciting to me. Um and yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was really it was really exciting experence. Plus
Speaker 1: living in New Orleans, it's like so yeah, none of
Speaker 1: us have it is weird, like that is like I
Speaker 1: think that and that Denver where Bone is from, and
Speaker 1: like Nashville, Well he's from Okay. I love that pregnant
Speaker 1: pause because how close Aurora to Denver. Oh, it's like,
Speaker 1: uh like eight miles outside of Okay. So it's an exerp.
Speaker 1: It's an exerbi of yees. Anyway, I didn't know if
Speaker 1: it was like a Dallas Fort Worth thing where it's
Speaker 1: like people from that Fort Worth are sort of claiming
Speaker 1: Dallas like that. It's not like we just went to
Speaker 1: high school. You went to high school with Liz, right.
Speaker 1: I did high school with our friend Lizela Renley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love Yeah, a frequent pool guest. Yes, she is
Speaker 1: in that pool. She's in that pool. I love that pool.
Speaker 1: By the way. It's a cute little pool, Jared's pool.
Speaker 1: Liz was. Liz was bff with Yang, with my sister
Speaker 1: Yang amazing. Yeah, well, after all the first Christmas parties
Speaker 1: that Yan would throw at our house in college, like
Speaker 1: she would invite Liz over, and Liz would just regale
Speaker 1: everybody because at the time she had the chickest job
Speaker 1: out of anybody, which was like being like Tyra Banks's
Speaker 1: assistants assistant or whatever the hell. Yeah she was, and
Speaker 1: she was also she was she was high Clum's assistant too,
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Yes, Yeah, it was high Clum
Speaker 1: and then and then it was Tira and then she
Speaker 1: got it, she got hired and awkward, I think, which
Speaker 1: was also which was also my first writing job to
Speaker 1: really yeah, but we missed each other, well, we mist
Speaker 1: each other by a season. She did season three and
Speaker 1: I did seasons four and five. But yeah, god, I
Speaker 1: got it. So she was moonlighting as like supermodel assistant
Speaker 1: for for quite a while. I wonder what Supermodels and
Speaker 1: Tira was on. I love that for you, little full
Speaker 1: circle moments truly came in. There are little supermodels are
Speaker 1: connected to all of us. Thank thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, it's like they live in our world.
Speaker 1: You could be one. And that's I'm talking to all
Speaker 1: the us. We have a lot of aspiring actors, writers
Speaker 1: and models that listen to a Lost Countures and I'm
Speaker 1: telling them you are in closer proximity to Heidi Kluman.
Speaker 1: You think, keep going, mama. I'm saying that to everyone
Speaker 1: that listens right now. Keep going, mama, no matter what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I feel like you guys are getting model.
Speaker 1: I feel like photo shoots for days love addicted. Well,
Speaker 1: he's commenting on recent shoots. What do you mean you
Speaker 1: guys are like hello again, Bowen. We were on the
Speaker 1: same cover of magazine. I know what you can do.
Speaker 1: We were on doing. We were on doing is, which
Speaker 1: is like pinning two gay people against each other, which
Speaker 1: is not unfair. It's so fucked up. I loved yours.
Speaker 1: I loved yours, but I know I loved I loved
Speaker 1: every other photo except for the cover. Except for the cover,
Speaker 1: I thought, and I'm so sweet. Oh god. It was
Speaker 1: like it was like giving like infantilize like people because
Speaker 1: it's a it's a larger issue I have of like
Speaker 1: being disabled. People are like, oh my guys don't and
Speaker 1: You're like, how do I just want to be hot?
Speaker 1: I want you to absolutely rail Just tell me I'm
Speaker 1: pretty Yeah, no, I can literally just tell you I
Speaker 1: want to be absolutely railed. And like I like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't make me do this like five year old, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It just makes me like
Speaker 1: feel gross getting all pretense out, Like yes, it is
Speaker 1: a little bit about that, Like everyone wants to be railed,
Speaker 1: and so when they say to you, we can dress
Speaker 1: you up in a way that if people look at
Speaker 1: the picture they want to rail you, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: then sign me up for the railing. Yeah, absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 1: I did my I did like my first kind of
Speaker 1: like nude shoot like last week, which I was like,
Speaker 1: love well, because it's like when you're around gays, first
Speaker 1: of all, it's immediately safe and it's immediately horny. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like already like like you and you know
Speaker 1: that you can like take it there like or like
Speaker 1: it's like, well and actually it's an interesting dance. You're
Speaker 1: kind of like okay, and then of course, like I'm
Speaker 1: a shy girl, so and he's like and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh do you like? And then you know, you see
Speaker 1: that what the options are for clothes, and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, there's there's already like eighty jock straps like
Speaker 1: on the thing, so like this is already going to
Speaker 1: be what it is. Okay, great love that. So okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna let's let's push the pedal to the metal.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? I loved it. I
Speaker 1: thought it was like it was very empowering, it was
Speaker 1: very chic, like you know, I just feel like you
Speaker 1: gotta have those moments, those like little thoughty moments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is it's it's it's it's part
Speaker 1: of it. It's part of it. You just had a
Speaker 1: thought I had a I had a thought shoot for
Speaker 1: Gay Letter. I I did a thong. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about it? You know? What made me feel better
Speaker 1: the fact that Joel, Kimbooster and Cola School and we're
Speaker 1: also doing it. When I heard that we were all
Speaker 1: doing and I was like, Okay, it's sort of like
Speaker 1: when you hold hands with your girls in order to
Speaker 1: go into the haunted house. Like for me personally, I
Speaker 1: need I need two girls on each of my arms
Speaker 1: when I go into the haunted house or else I'll
Speaker 1: be really scared, like I by myself. No, there's I'd
Speaker 1: be so scared. That's so interesting. Oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. Do you do you do haunted houses?
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like, like, do you like them?
Speaker 1: Do you like to go into a hunted house? No,
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of things I don't the thing, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. You don't like scary things? I don't know. No,
Speaker 1: I do I like scary movies. Yeah, I'm not so opposite.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't do Like there's too much activity
Speaker 1: like how haunted house and we talked about when you
Speaker 1: guys talked about going to like that not very farm thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like what is this. I don't understand, but I
Speaker 1: support you. Um I'm saying is things that are scary
Speaker 1: are are easier with friends. And because because including nude
Speaker 1: photo shoots, including nude photo shoots, we didn't all do
Speaker 1: it at the same time, I think that would make
Speaker 1: me a little scared. Although Boone and I did recently
Speaker 1: do a shirtless photo shoot together for the cover of
Speaker 1: this podcast That's Fun. Did you love that? It was
Speaker 1: so quick it wasn't scary at all. And then we
Speaker 1: were also giving we were giving um little sexy little
Speaker 1: harlots as a as a goof yes, we'll see I
Speaker 1: I need to be looped up. Like at first they
Speaker 1: were like how willing how far are you willing to go?
Speaker 1: And I was like no, Like what do you mean,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, give me the give me
Speaker 1: the full body suit. And then literally cut to like
Speaker 1: three songs later, I'm literally playing treeting like a slot
Speaker 1: like Petros and I'm like literally showing whole and like
Speaker 1: literally like I'm just like They're like, wow, this athletic
Speaker 1: quickly and I'm like he be like slut honestly there's
Speaker 1: a reason why we all fucking love it's because we
Speaker 1: know what it sounds like in our voice. Like when
Speaker 1: I listened to it for the first time, it was
Speaker 1: like basic gay slut activated. It literally was like mae,
Speaker 1: but it was like, okay, let's go. I was like
Speaker 1: talk about a cyborg. I was literally just like yes,
Speaker 1: I want to funk fuck you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Something something about Kim is so activating. It's
Speaker 1: it's really like something it's like beyond star quality. It's
Speaker 1: beyond like charisma. There's something about like there's a command
Speaker 1: to her voice or something like it is her voice,
Speaker 1: it's you know what it is. It's literally the resonance
Speaker 1: in her voice. It's she's here, it's she's she. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like it's almost like she's punching a code
Speaker 1: into our brains when things, yes, well she can push
Speaker 1: she puts the air through. Are in order and order? No,
Speaker 1: they're in order, Like there are a call to action.
Speaker 1: They're literally like it's like a it's like a robot
Speaker 1: giving you a command and you're like, okay, I will
Speaker 1: be a slot because you said so. Like literally it's
Speaker 1: like okay, you can't be relaxed. And this is not
Speaker 1: a knock on her, It's just you can't be relaxed
Speaker 1: listening to her music. It's what you're saying. It is activated.
Speaker 1: It is an order, It is a call like Whereas
Speaker 1: like if she had a voice like Shade, if her
Speaker 1: vocal tone was, you know, giving Tony Braxton, we'd sit
Speaker 1: back in our chairs. You know, you'd say, like the blunt.
Speaker 1: But with with Kim, you're not lighting the blunt, you're
Speaker 1: sort of taking No. Absolutely, absolutely not. The first time
Speaker 1: I ever heard like st it was it was when
Speaker 1: we were shooting a dance scene at Babylon and everyone
Speaker 1: took off their shirts and dance and it was like
Speaker 1: it was giving nineties throwback. I loved it. It was
Speaker 1: it was like I could not. I could not have
Speaker 1: done that without Kim. I could not. I could not
Speaker 1: has to do a slop pop cover true child. Honestly
Speaker 1: I would look into that. Oh yes, absolutely, to put
Speaker 1: that in my veins. Oh my god, I think I
Speaker 1: still I still do spin that, Kim. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: that that that EP. I spin that Kim. What is that?
Speaker 1: You know? The ep with with treat Me like a slot?
Speaker 1: I mean, I I really do. It's held up in
Speaker 1: my rotation, that's for sure. Absolutely, It's only been out
Speaker 1: for like three months, by the way, you should say,
Speaker 1: but that's a comment on the transient nature of pop,
Speaker 1: you know, sure, sure, Like we're asked, we're asked to
Speaker 1: consume so much. Although you know, the girls are really
Speaker 1: mad right now, and we've had several people on this
Speaker 1: podcast come on and talk about the TikTok of it
Speaker 1: all in pop music like this, this is a big
Speaker 1: this is a big thing right now, Like Halsey is
Speaker 1: taken to her TikTok to be her Instagram or whatever
Speaker 1: to be like, there's a song I'm obsessed with that
Speaker 1: I really want to release and my label won't let
Speaker 1: me because it's not TikTok. All are there and they
Speaker 1: need to find out how to make it TikTok a
Speaker 1: bill and I need And I'm not viral enough on that,
Speaker 1: and Baron Morris mentioned it, and it's been mentioned other times,
Speaker 1: and it seems like like this TikTok thing is like
Speaker 1: really really really now shaping the music that we are
Speaker 1: even given an opportunity to listen to. I feel like
Speaker 1: Old Lady Rose from Titanic thing like it's been many
Speaker 1: four years. Literally, like I don't even know what any
Speaker 1: of that means. I'm literally like okay, just that, just that,
Speaker 1: like it's motivating. The reason why, like songs are shorter
Speaker 1: and again brains, Yeah, totally. It has to be a
Speaker 1: certain like bpm so that there can be like dances
Speaker 1: like you know, choreographed to and stuff like that. Oh
Speaker 1: that's so dark or like just bowing up the altar
Speaker 1: of TikTok yikes. Yeah, well, don't worry. I'll be listening
Speaker 1: to my slow died below in my bedroom. Bone. Do
Speaker 1: you think it's time? I think it's time. I think
Speaker 1: it's time for I don't think so, honey. It's sort
Speaker 1: of celebrated of the podcast, which really asks um, the
Speaker 1: hosts and guests of the podcast to do one thing
Speaker 1: rant to get something in culture for sixty seconds. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely pissing us off. Um, I have something that happened
Speaker 1: to me today that I would like to get off
Speaker 1: my chest. Okay, we'll start with you, Matt. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, Honeytime starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. My air pods are in my
Speaker 1: walk is a struct Unfortunately, no matter where I go,
Speaker 1: no matter what I'm doing. If I'm listening to music,
Speaker 1: I am strutting. And I know what you're going to
Speaker 1: say to me when you tap me on the shoulder,
Speaker 1: if we're running into each other, what are you listening to?
Speaker 1: Your absolutely strutting. I'm gay. It's a part of the
Speaker 1: way that I expressed myself. I can't not strut when
Speaker 1: I walk. You're not like making a new like observation
Speaker 1: when you tell me, oh my god, you were absolutely strutting.
Speaker 1: I know my air pods were. And it could be
Speaker 1: literally you know there, there could never be back to
Speaker 1: before from Ragtime, or it could be are on a
Speaker 1: Grande a live album. I'm strutting. When I'm listening to music.
Speaker 1: The synapsis fire from my brain. It goes to my hips.
Speaker 1: And when I sort of go into a feug state
Speaker 1: where I'm just sort of doing my thing running, my
Speaker 1: body just turns into a strut. I'm gay. It's a
Speaker 1: part of who I am, and my d n A
Speaker 1: makes my body act this way. I'm a strutter. I'm
Speaker 1: not a sort of a stroller. I'll never be a stroller.
Speaker 1: Don't ask me something like that I can't accomplish for you.
Speaker 1: I'm a strutter. I don't think so, honey, And that's
Speaker 1: one minute. Don't apologize. You know what. Maybe I did
Speaker 1: say the words i'm sorry in that call back to
Speaker 1: the book. Um, maybe I did say the words i'm
Speaker 1: sorry a bunch in that. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, what I really want to do,
Speaker 1: is just say I'm accepting it about myself. And when
Speaker 1: people call it out to me, I feel self conscious
Speaker 1: every time because I think it makes me feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm looking gay on the street, which is some classical
Speaker 1: conditioning from way back. But you know what, I'm a
Speaker 1: strutter and I'm gonna here to normalize strutting despite you know,
Speaker 1: being alone and just doing menial tasks. Representation matters. I mean,
Speaker 1: if anything we've learned from this hour and a half,
Speaker 1: I mean, hello, yeah, that that's that's been a major
Speaker 1: topic and it should be yang time. You don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Are you sort of galvanized? I am its yeah. I
Speaker 1: love when my girl gets calvinized. Um, this is your
Speaker 1: your I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, anti reflective coding on eyeglasses.
Speaker 1: I allegedly bought that paid like an extra hundred dollars
Speaker 1: for anti reflective coding on these lenses. Then, in the
Speaker 1: words of Mulan, why is your reflection showing in my glasses?
Speaker 1: You guys can see yourselves right like like like in
Speaker 1: a way, you guys can see like some projection of
Speaker 1: yourselves onto me, onto my eyes. That's not acceptable. That
Speaker 1: is not literally I'm being I'm being scammed out of um.
Speaker 1: I'm doing press tomorrow and I can't wear these glasses
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be too much glare and I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm like a villain in a Japanese anime. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be like just on camera with a with a
Speaker 1: full glare on my eyeglasses. I can't be looking like
Speaker 1: that while I'm promoting five second new film Fire Island
Speaker 1: coming out on June third on Hulu and Disney Plus
Speaker 1: and international territories. And that's one minute. I who helped
Speaker 1: you there? Did they tell you their name? As guy
Speaker 1: at Studio Optics and Rockefeller Center and running like Studio Optics.
Speaker 1: He was so he was so helpful, he was so
Speaker 1: helpful in getting my glasses to me early. But he
Speaker 1: did really pitch the antireflective coding and Ryan, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you familiar with this part of the project. Another relatable moment.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been hashtag on set and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: his glasses, like we need to fix his glass like
Speaker 1: like like like we can't. Is all glare And I'm like, funny,
Speaker 1: she was born this way. I don't know what to
Speaker 1: tell you, Like literally, I don't know. And I've been
Speaker 1: there when that's happened to Bowen and every time I
Speaker 1: never even think about what this experience is like it
Speaker 1: is absolutely hounds like the spott of my differences. You
Speaker 1: hold up production, you're that you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's like and it's like, literally, I don't feel you.
Speaker 1: It's my glasses. And by the way, these classes cost
Speaker 1: forty million dollars because because my my my vision is
Speaker 1: so fucking bad that I have to like airlifted to
Speaker 1: like tim bluck fucking too and it's not to be
Speaker 1: ready for four months. So I'm like, I've done everything
Speaker 1: I can. I put on answer like whenever they say
Speaker 1: like do you want all the bells and whistles like
Speaker 1: anti reflector or whatever, and I'm like, yes, yes, a
Speaker 1: million times yes, and it comes back and I'm still
Speaker 1: serving reflection and I'm like, I don't honey, there's a
Speaker 1: ceiling and I've hit it. We've hit the ceiling. Hunt.
Speaker 1: But I think I think I was given up a
Speaker 1: purposefully low ceiling on this because my other glasses don't
Speaker 1: reflect as much. So somebody lied. Somebody lied to sabotage you.
Speaker 1: That's what I know. Who it is. Mike obviously works
Speaker 1: for the competing Queer Project of the Summer Queer as
Speaker 1: Folk producers of folk came to sabotage Wait, we need
Speaker 1: to rewind the tape that was iconic, the competing gay
Speaker 1: project what Bros No queers by the way, By the way,
Speaker 1: just to fact check and said, with absolute undying love, Bros.
Speaker 1: Doesn't coming out to September, okay exactly, And a lot
Speaker 1: of the media coverages this will be like the gay
Speaker 1: rob come of the summer, And I'm like, honey, September summer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what it feels like summer. Not for nothing.
Speaker 1: By the way I saw the trailer, I want it
Speaker 1: in my veins. I'm obsessed with it. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is the longest roll out of history. But also
Speaker 1: that's just called money in studio vibes. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's fully a fall film unless you know
Speaker 1: an Indian summays the first day of summer is Une.
Speaker 1: So I don't think Fire Island even Wow. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we are a movie of the spring. So honestly spring
Speaker 1: Fire Island is a spring film, and I'm sorry about bros.
Speaker 1: Is Although when it's an autumn picture, you're like, get
Speaker 1: me the calendar. We set it fall, we set football
Speaker 1: like cancel us. It's fall it is, you know, look
Speaker 1: at the calendar. I hope someone I hope someone grabs
Speaker 1: from this podcast like Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers a
Speaker 1: Fire Island disparage, bros. Call it quote fall film. Aren't
Speaker 1: you in? Bros? Yes? I am. For one little scene?
Speaker 1: Did you green screen it? What happened? I did do
Speaker 1: one green screen thing where I'm supposed to dance with
Speaker 1: Harvey fire scenes character dance together. But we but we
Speaker 1: shot on separate days, so we just got me. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, movie sucking busy and fucking busy into the
Speaker 1: damn um. So listen, speaking of speaking of the film,
Speaker 1: the show here comes the big show that is going
Speaker 1: to beat Ryan O'Connell's I don't think so, honey, sister.
Speaker 1: Are you ready, Yeah, Ryan O'Connell, this is your I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I was a gay man. I feel like I have
Speaker 1: to have a lot of opinions about things that I
Speaker 1: do not care about. Is non consensual, and I want
Speaker 1: to give a list of things that you cannot talk
Speaker 1: to me about because I do not care. Okay. Number one,
Speaker 1: opinions about the Cole Kidman is a patron saint for
Speaker 1: unemotional gaze, like literally like it's like, honey, it's like,
Speaker 1: if you tell me an opinion about Nicole Kidman, you
Speaker 1: have to tell me one single emotion you've had in
Speaker 1: the last five years. Little Okay, I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: It's honey, it's ice cold. I can't move it on
Speaker 1: um on Sunday, an underdog pop star. I have my
Speaker 1: hands full with Skyper. I cannot deal with Colson. I can't, Okay.
Speaker 1: Lady Gonda, besides Promatica and the time she got mad
Speaker 1: at her grandma for not grieving her daughter's death on camera?
Speaker 1: Who won best warning acres one? Who one does? I
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care. Who want actual I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was someone who cares. Moving on anything that happens
Speaker 1: on Twitter, if you have a successful career in your
Speaker 1: still on Twitter, I'm having okay, guys named Colton or
Speaker 1: Mikey and that's my one. Honestly, all those things like
Speaker 1: I care about on every other day. But but but
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I can care about the oscars, but
Speaker 1: not whom one in seventy one best actress. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's two different deals. People take it to the extreme,
Speaker 1: and my honey, like, what's like? I mean, I know, honey,
Speaker 1: first of all, if you connect with Michael Kidman, you're
Speaker 1: obviously not giving emotion to begin with, because she's she's
Speaker 1: she's obviously Arctic tundra. We know that. But like, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, I like, truly, can I buy a vowel?
Speaker 1: Can I buy a feeling? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You're you're you're talking about Nicole Kidman as if she's
Speaker 1: January Jones, as if she's like fully stone faced in
Speaker 1: all her words. I wouldn't say she's like a warm
Speaker 1: teddy bear baby like. I mean, she modes, I feel
Speaker 1: like Nicole a mode she like has has a range
Speaker 1: of em but her power is in how what's the
Speaker 1: word she is? So she is extremely precious and she
Speaker 1: is like a glass doll. And that gives her steely resolve,
Speaker 1: It gives her authority, gives her power, it gives her like, uh,
Speaker 1: she looks like a piece of china that we're waiting
Speaker 1: to see the crack in. And there is something that
Speaker 1: is not inherently emotional like that, like for example, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're to examine like Reese Witherspoon. Yes, she
Speaker 1: can play like bitch, but she's also bleeding heart. Nicole
Speaker 1: Kidman could not play Kyle Richard. The same genre is
Speaker 1: Carol Gaze. Carol gaze, I can't engage with I don't
Speaker 1: deal with it. That movie is a glambian okay. And
Speaker 1: if you it is an absolute glambian okay. And so
Speaker 1: this is I don't think so honey on louis for tell,
Speaker 1: oh my god, l o l It's he a Carol
Speaker 1: Gay number one, number one chet Gay. I can't keep track.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you, who will tell you? Who want best
Speaker 1: supporting actress is probably sucking a guy named Colton, you know.
Speaker 1: But also Louis is a legitimate sweetie pie, so maybe
Speaker 1: he's he's actually he's act I don't think so, honey too. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a sweetie pie. I need to be I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey, all the dude a day. It's true,
Speaker 1: we'll do incredible. Yeah, there's just a lot. There's a lot.
Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot. And I feel like
Speaker 1: I need to clock into my shift at the I'm
Speaker 1: Gay store, and it's just like, oh my god, here
Speaker 1: we go, here we go. Gott to give another fucking opinion.
Speaker 1: I also think that it has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with just like hell, you're socially conditioned to relax and
Speaker 1: hang out like something I think is interesting. Sometimes are
Speaker 1: people at the same party who want to talk and
Speaker 1: people who want to like, play games or have an objective.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll be in a social situation and I won't
Speaker 1: understand and and sometimes when games are good, I'm in like,
Speaker 1: if we're doing games, we're doing games. But when everyone
Speaker 1: is having a nice time talking and then someone says
Speaker 1: we're playing a game, I'm always like, um, who decided
Speaker 1: that we were playing a game now, and like what
Speaker 1: is the switch from socialization to game? And then I
Speaker 1: realized sometimes some people just speak that language, like that's
Speaker 1: how they socialize, you know what I mean. It's asking
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people to be like socially on
Speaker 1: the same page, which is you know, difficult when as
Speaker 1: people age and they become more who they are and
Speaker 1: they like what they like and they kim control don't
Speaker 1: want to be anywhere for an hour where they or
Speaker 1: not having a good time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think it's mostly healing because
Speaker 1: I think at first I was intimidated and now I
Speaker 1: feel it feel good. I don't know why. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm unpacking all this it's fnt
Speaker 1: of you good whatever. Now I like it, like that
Speaker 1: we're doing I like that we're doing that. Well, that's
Speaker 1: the thing to see. Like. I also realized, like I'm
Speaker 1: a shower, not a grower, like you know what I mean, anything,
Speaker 1: some people are growers and not showers, and I have
Speaker 1: to like understand that and not perceive that as like
Speaker 1: coldness or like everyone's different and everyone everyone reveals themselves
Speaker 1: in different ways. It's not necessarily a slight or a
Speaker 1: personal thing and just is everyone's wired differently, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Absolutely one and listen if you want
Speaker 1: to see more insights into a queer company. One of
Speaker 1: the most incredible shows you could watch in the coming
Speaker 1: weeks and months ahead is Cheer as Folk, which is
Speaker 1: literally on Peacock on June nine, and two days prior
Speaker 1: to that is the release of Truly Ryan What I'm What.
Speaker 1: I'm a really great, great, great, great read. I'm so like,
Speaker 1: you really are such a great evocative writer. You're so funny,
Speaker 1: and I mean, like, I just like I see myself
Speaker 1: on every page and like, you know, it's like very
Speaker 1: universal as well, like and so all my compliments to
Speaker 1: this fucking chef on this one just by looking at him.
Speaker 1: In June seven, thank you so much, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. Oh my god, we had the most lovely time.
Speaker 1: And Bowen Yang. We end every episode with a damn song.
Speaker 1: Treat me like slug, Teachers, pet honestly magic, treat me
Speaker 1: like a slug. I'm a dirty bitch, I love dirty bitch.
Speaker 1: I love to fuck teacher's pride teachers to most of
Speaker 1: these songs for me, look out of the artist Kim
Speaker 1: Patricks for me watch waiting for Gusman starting Carker Posey
Speaker 1: Bye bye,