1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why why? And look 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness? Cult calling? 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: How does it feel? Girl? How does it feel? You'll 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: have to specify your query, dear? How does what feel? 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: So many things were going on. I sort of wanted 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: to see where you were at what you would pick 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: as the it. I mean, you've capped off the season 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: at SNL, You've arrived in l A for some quote 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: unquote international press. I want to know how it feels, 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: all of it. I don't know about you. I always 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: have this latent period of like processing, like what the 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: hell I just experienced? And I feel like I'm still 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: I think it'll be like another five years before, right, 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: I think. I think my latent superior is five years. Now. 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: I'll go through something, but it'll take me five years 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: to get clarity on what you are. You are a processor. 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: You are a slow processor, and I don't that's not 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: a no. I think it's that it's not functional. You 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: cannot move through life this way. It's so awful, honey, 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: better to be going on. Better to be a slow 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: processor than someone that's like, I know how I feel 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: about this, which is often me. And that's a rule. 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: Of culture. And that's a rule of culture, honey, someone 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: who's like, that's how I feel. But I often I like, 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: for example, I'm a slow actor, not a slow processor. 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: I process information very quickly. Like for example, I've known 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: I needed a new shower curtain for about a year, 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: but it was only today that I went out and 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: acted on that. Oh thank god, But how much can 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: I ask? How much like mold like stuff was on 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: the old shower curtain. So I bought what was on 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: one side of blue and on the other side white 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: shower curtain. The bottom of the shower curtain was m 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: let's call it like after make up a new color. 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm calling it after a night out piss yellow, sort 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: of like a chock full. I realized I could never 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: have another man over to my apartment. Like with with 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: this being the situation, it was humiliating. I felt like 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: I was straight or something. The bottom of the show 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: the shower curtain was not after a night out piss yellow, 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: And I went to the bed, bath and beyond and 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: got a new shower curtain. At some point, like this 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: will bleed over into other areas of my life, like 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: I'll finally put the license plates on my car. They've 45 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: also been there for a year. I just can't seem 46 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: to get the screwdriver out to do that. Slow processing 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: versus slow acting rather be I thought you meant you 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: were a slow film actor. I say, honey, I've seen 49 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: you speak fast. Well, you know, so when you act 50 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: on film, and this is for everyone out there listening, 51 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: when you act on film, really bite those consonants, okay, 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: because you want to give realism, but you also want 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: clarity and diction and dexterity. So when you're auditioning out there, 54 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: when you're presending your tapes, make to war that we're 55 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: we're definitely keeping the energy and the pacing up, but 56 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: we are giving consonants. What did I do to die today? 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: At a minute? Or two till two? Go through your warmups, honey, 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: go through the warmups. You know bo and Yanks process. 59 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: He's a big repeater. I am a repetition is the 60 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: key to learning. It's actually not it's actually not repetition. 61 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: It's not pure not to Oh my god, this is 62 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: so annoying. It's not actual repetition. But I did help 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: Sandy Bullock learn like get off book on set because 64 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: she was sucking up a line and bowen help me, 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, you just have to like 66 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: keep repeating the connective tissue, so like in a line 67 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: like more like most commonly it's like you like repeat 68 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: like the words before and after a comma or like 69 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: colon or something, and then that's so then you build 70 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: the bridge in your mind to give into the next 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: part of your line. So what you're saying is you 72 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: were sort of Sandra bull was giving. I was being 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: I was giving Sandra Bullocks acting teacher on set, and 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: it was it was not unwelcome because I was like, 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I was. I was like, I was like, 76 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: I think I might have something that can help. She's 77 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: like please, because she had to say like a fictional 78 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: made up like proper down and it was like ninety 79 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: syllables long. And I was like, okay, I think you 80 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: just got to repeat these syllables and then THEE syllables 81 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: and then thee syllables, and she was like, okay, okay, okay, 82 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: guess what it worked. It worked. The first thing she 83 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: said to me on the carpet of the premiere was 84 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: tabakgadema fiskin now or whatever the hell the line was 85 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: I forgot it, but she didn't because of me. And 86 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: that's why I take the credit the film, which of 87 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: course is titled The Road to El Dorado. Yes, what 88 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: was the Atlantests. That's why, of course that film was 89 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: so successful, because she had you on hand to to 90 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: sort of walk her through it. And you can watch 91 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: that movie on planes everywhere now Amount plus everywhere. Now 92 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: it's on Paramount Plus. It's on planes. You can check 93 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: out the Lost City small TV near you. Um so 94 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: we we have an actor in the chat I mean nominated. Okay, 95 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: he doesn't mean he certainly doesn't need you to run 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: through getting a single now or tipped. Can't be bothered, 97 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: can't be fucking bothered. But who are you I mean, 98 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: I I mean nominee yourself. I'm so sick, especially after 99 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: this last week with put On that I'm the out 100 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: of now two weeks in a row to be the 101 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: only non emy nominee. I think it sucks. You're you're 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: going to get it. But this is such an it's 103 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: an inevitability at this point for me to I mean nominated. Yeah, 104 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: it really is. This is my this is my for 105 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: your consideration, begging on my own podcasts, the members of 106 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: the TV Academy, that's what That's why f I C. 107 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: Is it such a filthy business? Don't you think? So 108 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: dirty and disgusting and political? What we all do to 109 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: sort of get the crumbs? Say that I said it? 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: I know, well listen, listen, see this in my hands. 111 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: This is the new novel by Ryan O'Connell, our guest. 112 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: It's called Just by looking at him, I am thoroughly 113 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: enjoying this. It's a hot cover. Can I say something 114 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: didn't didn't get my copy? What didn't get Oh my god? 115 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: The publicists are and I'm not talking to you are 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: readers the public and you know that I read the 117 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: galleys and I read the advanced copies for every single 118 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: guest and for I'm mortified that this is someone who's writing. 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: I've been following since and I'm going to say the words, 120 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry if this solicits anything, but since the 121 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: Thought Catalog days, I was reading every single one of 122 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 1: our guests posts. And we don't have to talk about it, 123 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: but I am a devout acolyte of the guest and 124 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: this is actually, this is actually some pre I don't 125 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: think so many raged for you, I did it. I 126 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: activate I didn't get the copy, but you know, I'm 127 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: reading it pool side this summer. Well, speaking of sort 128 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: of by the water you were, you were mentioning the cover. 129 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: Describe how hot the cover is. It's really hot cover. 130 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: You've got like sort of like a glistened back. I 131 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: love backs, some of the hottest body parts. Give it 132 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: up for back? Well, did I did? You? I've told 133 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: you about the first time I ever really the moment 134 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: I realized that was gay, right, Who's back was it? 135 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: It was this kid, this neighborhood boy. His name was 136 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: Matt Ripple. Ripple very much rhymes with the nipple, and 137 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: he came over to my house. I was eleven years old, 138 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: and we were playing in my pool, and later that 139 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: night I thought of his back and in an instant 140 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: realized I wanted to like fuck his back. And I 141 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: realized in that moment I was gay. So backs are 142 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: that's are very sexual important. And I think that our 143 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: guests sort of knew that by putting this very evocative 144 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: back on the cover of his debut novel, So Wow, 145 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: give it up. The novelist, writer, creator, creator of the 146 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: iconic show special we had put on on last week. 147 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: Now we have the star of special STARRT. Sorry, but 148 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: you were build number two, and that happens in Hollywood sometimes. Oh, 149 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what it's like 150 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: to be number one on the call sheet. That's something 151 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: I'll never knew. But when you know that's not true, 152 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't. It's not a guarantee for right. You know 153 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: what's going to happen when we eventually get our film 154 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: off the ground. It's going to be number one. It's 155 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: gonna be alphabetical. It's gonna be alphabet It's not gonna 156 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: be alphabetical. I'm so excited to read it over the 157 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: summer that it's the perfect summer read. You really are 158 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: gonna like it. I mean, it's The book has dragged 159 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: me several times. And I don't mean me personally. I 160 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: mean me sort of as a person. The book drags 161 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: people that stand Kyle Richards it is. He calls it 162 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: a mark of basicness. Um. The book drags people who 163 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: mostly have West Elm furniture. I really took that one 164 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: as well. Um, you know, but the book is um 165 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: like the Beach House episode of Girls. A work of art, 166 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: which is a line on page one of this book, 167 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: which I read the Beach House episode of Girls. When 168 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: I read it to you, I'm gonna read it. Oh 169 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: my god. You know what I wanted to say to 170 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: one of my co workers this week. I won't say who, 171 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: but no, no, it was this, well, you think I 172 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: want to be like you? Like mentally ill like you 173 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: like mentally? Still so good, such a good line. Reading 174 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: this is the read it. Okay, So they're talking about 175 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: a man's penis, and the quote is that it's like 176 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: the Beach House episode of Girls, a work of art, 177 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: and I mean, you're hooked, You're hooked. And that's page one. 178 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm even. I didn't think I could get more angry 179 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: that I don't have the I don't have the hard 180 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: copy in my hands. Well, everybody who announced that Ryan's 181 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: publicist is fired, fired, And we're also here to say 182 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: June seventh is when the book comes out, and two 183 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: days later, two days later, it's too fucking much. Queer 184 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: as Folk the revival comes out. This trailer I did, 185 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: I was, I was then was glued. I didn't need 186 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: the trailer to be in but I was like, well fuck, 187 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: And I asked him about his June, and he said, 188 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: mute me on Instagram, and I will relate. No, everyone 189 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: better mute me on Instagram in June. We have a 190 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: lot of annoying ship coming up. Um, but listen, this 191 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: is a true honor. And I think, like sort of, 192 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: it's it's it's really been time to have him about. 193 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: It's been time. It's been time. We've we've we've all 194 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: admired each other from afar or from up close at 195 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: the same pool parties. Just by looking at him, just 196 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: by looking at him, everyone, please welcome into your ears. 197 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 1: Why that was absolute hell having first of all, you 198 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: sent me on a fucking journey. First of all, my 199 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: first thought was like, wow, I wonder if things have 200 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: changed since they both become famous. And then all of 201 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: a sudden it was like, anyways, Sandy, sorry Sandy. I like, okay, 202 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: that's librating, okay, well whatever, I'm like, things have shifted, 203 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: things have shifted. And then all of a sudden, going 204 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: how the words thought catalog, I was like, um, um, 205 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: go back to your roots. We all have origins, Ryan, 206 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: we do, we do, and mine are just very pub lock. 207 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: But you know, it is what it is, Katie, It 208 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: is what it is. But I feel like you were 209 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: one of those first people and you've since transcended this 210 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: sort of like type of existence, but like you were 211 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: one of those Internet people who were like speaking to 212 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: like a very queer like readership in an audience, and 213 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: like when when not a lot of when not a 214 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: lot of people were doing that, when it was like, oh, 215 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: Richard Lawson is going to write like a goodbye post 216 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: on Gawker as fucking Tensley Mortimer, and like that's like 217 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: the best we're ever going to get. But then but 218 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: then Whyann O'Connell comes along and we're like, oh my god, 219 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: this fucking idiot is ranking all the tracks on Blackout, 220 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: Like hell, yes, that was a huge moment for me. Ryan, 221 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: I gotta say, when I was working my shitty day 222 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: job in college, I was like reading I was reading 223 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: Thought Catalog every day and being like this guy gets 224 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: it well. It was like a hipster sweatshop. It was 225 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: like I had to write that. I had to like 226 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: quite like three posts today. It was like I truly was. 227 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: It was. It was a time. It was a lot 228 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: of It was a lot of pills, It was a 229 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: lot of stuff, and it was a lot of feelings 230 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: and um, yeah, you know, I looked back at old 231 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: me and I'm like, wow, she's got she got she's 232 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: got balls, just put it in like she got something 233 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: to say, you know what I mean. And it was 234 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: this bizarre micro fame of like if I went to Metropolitan, 235 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: I was like literally Brandelina, like like literally for like 236 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: for for seven months, I was like brand Alina of Metropolitan. 237 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: And then that was it. That's your that that's a 238 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: twenty four year olds dream though. Oh that kind of yeah, yeah, 239 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: it's all I wanted. But I couldn't get laid to 240 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: save my life. But I tried, like like you know, 241 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: i'd have like you know, like readers of thought kind 242 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: of come up to me. But it was I couldn't. 243 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't land the plane. Day, I couldn't land the plane. 244 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: Oh this is this is basically my reality now, which 245 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: is so refreshing to hear. I mean, it's it's nice 246 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: to hear that you and you, as a twenty four 247 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: year old we're experiencing things Matt and I experienced now 248 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: well selfloading Trump's microphane yea yeah, you I mean Mann Man, 249 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: I like talk all the time about like, oh gosh, 250 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: like do we how much do we identify with like 251 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: ourselves back then? But I feel like maybe all three 252 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: of us have, like for the best, really moved past 253 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: those people, like like like become different people. I will. 254 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: You know What's funny like a comment that I often 255 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: get like from people that that listen to this podcast 256 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: are like, you, like, we still love the pod, but 257 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: you guys don't really go there like you used to. 258 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what like ripping Anna Kendrick Limb from 259 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: Limb publicly? No, we can't really do that, like you 260 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, it's like and sometimes I 261 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: do think about because Bone and I rode for Vulture. 262 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like we we did the ranking things like 263 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: one time. One of the one of the most iconic 264 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: things about when that we did was what did we 265 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: rank every drag race runway? Look? I think we did, 266 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: which which we had no business doing. We ranked every 267 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: snatch game and every runway look. And now it's like 268 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: we look back and it's like, yeah, that was too 269 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: That was to get that was to make seven hundred 270 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: dollars each, but we had to That's actually a lot. 271 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: It was way more. It was way more than we 272 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: had been getting. Yeah, but you do what you have 273 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: to do. You comment as as like a niche gay 274 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: um internet person, which I mean, we all know what 275 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: it's like. But when they when they're going to pay 276 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: you money, and it's like, I don't have to wait, 277 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, an extra day of tables that time, like 278 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: I'll go online and be a little snarky internet gay 279 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: like you know I have I have the ability to 280 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: do it, and they're gonna give me a hundred bucks 281 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: right this drag race recap, So why not? Absolutely mean, 282 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: it was also a different time online, like I was 283 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: I was writing for thought kind of like from like 284 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: two ten twelve, Like it just wasn't like it's like 285 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: when people like went on Twitter to like l L 286 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: get a job writing comedy. Like it was like, like 287 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, it was like the it was a much 288 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: it was a much easy. Yeah. It was like it 289 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: was like when you couldn't do it like a viral 290 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: joke account and like like literally get a back deal 291 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: from like literally being like blah blah blah things. Um, 292 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: So it was like very like, oh, wasn't it so 293 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: sweet and innocent back then? You know what I mean? 294 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: It was an easier time you know what I mean. 295 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean people still came from me, like Gawker used 296 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: to write posts like literally ripping me a new asshole 297 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: like every single day. But um, I love that. You 298 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: loved that, you loved that. We just we pissed. We 299 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: pissed someone off. Recently, Matt on the Three Songs So 300 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: and Three Songs with a Great Global song book. We 301 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: we we meet me at our spot was somewhere in there, 302 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: and we said meet me at a spot by Willow 303 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: and some guy named Tyler, and then Tyler Cole himself 304 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: commented on my grid post at least thanks for the disrespect. 305 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: Well listen, and I was like, I'm not engage in this, 306 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Like this is like you know, like he has like 307 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: one of the biggest songs in the last like two years. 308 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: He's fine. He doesn't need me to like acknowledge his 309 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: existence whatever. What I was just like, oh, but people 310 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: still get. That's the thing is, it's like this thing 311 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: of like this you. I think the three of us 312 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: know we are not to be taken seriously, and so 313 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: when people do, it's like, honey, that's your fault. You 314 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: went ahead and lived life and decided to take me. 315 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: Matt Roger seriously, and that's a that's that you need, 316 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, to invoke to the words of another podcast, 317 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: seek treatment. I mean, like, if you take anything I 318 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: ever do or say seriously, it's a huge problem that 319 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: you have. Seriously. Well, what I dragged people? I take 320 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: it very seriously. Oh the person you like genuinely dragged? Yeah, 321 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: who's the last person you're like, like openly, Yeah, who 322 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: do you hate? Guess is it is theory hashet here? Well? No, 323 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I feel like I'm pretty 324 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: open about who I just like the Housewives, the Bravo people, 325 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: which is like kind of like whatever, But I also 326 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: feel like, but I also feel like in that space 327 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: like going I'm going on watch what Happens Live like 328 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: next month, and it's like this interesting space where like 329 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: you can drag, but you can't like totally drag. So 330 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: it's as actually both know in different forms. Yeah yeah, 331 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: so honey, it's giving tight rope, it's giving tight rope 332 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: walk you know. So it's a little like so that's 333 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: a little tricky dickie. But um, I don't know. I 334 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: can't be tamed, honestly, Like I got a mouth, and 335 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: like I the more I mean, the more famous people 336 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: I meet, the more I'm convinced that everyone is truly 337 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: mentally ill, and I get more annoyed by everybody things psychotic, 338 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like I want to hold back 339 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: from any of that, because I also feel like putting 340 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: famous people in a pedestals deeply wrong, because if anyone 341 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: met anyone for five minutes, they would want to run 342 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: away screaming if they're emotionally health You know what I mean, 343 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: right right? I hope you don't take me um coaching 344 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: Sandra Bulk through a line as psycho sas No, that 345 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: was like, you like, we're on set, yeah, but sometimes 346 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: on set. Sometimes sometimes you're on set. Even the most 347 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: famous iconic actresses in the world don't know they're fucking 348 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: lines and it's happening right now tonight in Hollywood tonight, 349 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: somewhere in Hollywood. So somewhere tonight, Julia Roberts is turning 350 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: to her left being like what is it, and over 351 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: prepared little fag is like, it's this. Oh my god. 352 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: I'mvent Julia Roberts once when I was twelve years old. Um, 353 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Brockovich, not to brag, you know that 354 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: house that she lived in that had rodents and iconic 355 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: bad house. Yeah, she was deeply poor. That was my 356 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: next door neighbor. You were you were an aaron at Carthon. Well, no, 357 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean actually sorry, I was behind the house. I'm 358 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: so sorry. I was when we got when we got 359 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: when we got the notice, my my heart felt, my asshole, 360 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: and I literally picked my mom and I said, mom, oh, no, 361 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: is she pour in the movie? Because we were so 362 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: me like I was a Connie, like if Hollywood was 363 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: gonna come here, it's not to like you know, it's 364 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: not for clips and glass, you know what you mean. 365 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: And then your mom's your mom dropped all the plates 366 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: in her kitchen and said who lives like this like this? No, 367 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: that was my That was my twelve girl dramatic ass. 368 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: After I saw Black Bets in the theater's opening night, 369 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, arank you, Julia, Julia rescue me. 370 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: And I got her autographed by she autographed my US 371 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: Weekly that she was on the cover up. Yeah, while 372 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: she was on location on set as it were, absolutely honey, 373 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: she was on set, honey. She was like, I hope 374 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: that I hope the literal like like like lying on 375 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: the cover was like which one of Julia Roberts's tits 376 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: or aliens, like you US Weekly became like truly trash 377 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: like that time, but there was a time when it 378 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: was respectable and it's kind of around that time that 379 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: was okay, so that's so amazing that you actually that's 380 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: a really important thing. It was still respectable, so she 381 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: was it was like the last dregs of the respectability era. 382 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: And I think it became quickly US Weekly after she wrapped, 383 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: after she wrapped up, but she was there for like 384 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: two weeks bad. I mean, it was like real, like 385 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: Julia was in the neighborhood and she was giving that 386 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: miss witch Tom monologue like yards away from you, Oh yeah, 387 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: of course, are you kidding me? And they're called boots. 388 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: Actually that was probably no, that was that was somewhere else, 389 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: but yes, of course there was so much going on. 390 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: I love that movie. I mean, that's one of the 391 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: movies endlessly quotable. It's incredible. It's I always cry when 392 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: she like where does she go to? She goes to 393 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: a car, No, she goes to like Mark. It's when 394 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: she gives the settlement to like either Marge or Cherry Joe. 395 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: It's it's Mark. It's Mark Hellgenburger. It's when she's they 396 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: say how much. She says how much money is going 397 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: to her family out of this settlement, and Mark goes, 398 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know how much money that is? Yes, 399 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: but it's also but it's also isn't it doesn't Cherry 400 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: at some point go like, we're gonna get the man, right, 401 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna go that's Mark, That's that's Cherry. She's kind 402 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: of stoic the whole movie. Cherry doesn't really have Yeah, 403 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: doesn't much emotion. Yeah, Cherry is the one that she 404 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: has to convince, and she's not budget Yeah, right right, 405 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: What the hell is her name in the movie? Um, 406 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,239 Speaker 1: Pamela Duncan wouldn't even get on the phone with me. 407 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: Pamela dunk Honey, you better name your character. This is 408 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: this is a huge note to all. I know there's 409 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: a lot of actors or something, but there's also a 410 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: lot of screenwriters listening, and so what I want to 411 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: tell them is it's rule of culture two. You better 412 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: your cha character, especially something like Pamela Duncan, Miss Pamela Duncan, 413 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: who's a tough bitch because she's been sick for a while, 414 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: and so of her kids. I can't come up with names. 415 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's literally, I truly like black out and 416 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: I've never heard a name of my hard. It's so hard. 417 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: It's so hard. I can't come up with a real 418 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: sounding name. Like all my names are like like all 419 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: my names are like Pamela Guna or like you know, 420 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: like Mariah Tooch. The reality is real, real names are stranger. 421 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: They almost sound like Matt Ripple. That's a fake name. 422 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: That's like four mean but like, but the real names 423 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: are actually like you what, I believe that you write 424 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: it and be like this is an exact actually yeah, okay. 425 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: Can I say some thing about the book? Though, he 426 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: does drag people who name their dogs human names, and 427 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: that is very much a direct drag on Jared Freeder. Wait, 428 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: what are you talking? Oh Jane? No, Jane, No, Jane 429 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 1: is so cute. Jane's acute name. There are certain names 430 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: that are real that have versatility. Jane is verse, Okay, 431 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: can be a dog, can be a human? Stop. Scott 432 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: is like a no, Scott can't be a dog. No. 433 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: And then I think in the book, I named the 434 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: Monica name is Monica. I think I actually think Monica's verse. No, 435 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: it's not Monica. Ashley is not verse. You can't name 436 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: a dog Ashley. I think you could. That's psychotic like Ashley. 437 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: You can't be like Monica. And also what I love 438 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: is the character in the book who's named his dog 439 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: Monica is like a showrunner head writer of a TV show, 440 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: and it's so like, my favorite character on Friends is Monica, 441 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: and that's why I an my dog that the dog's 442 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: fucking old. But you know, or maybe it's even lamur 443 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: to have named the dog Monica after Monica from Friends 444 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: in like two thousand nineteen. Yeah, honey, have you ever 445 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: worked on a multi caam? I haven't had the pleasure. 446 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: I guess Bowen sort of does. Is basically multi yea 447 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: rule of culture. It's oh my god, a picture just 448 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: fell off my wall, and you know who that is, Laura. 449 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Lauren. A photo of me from How 450 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: You Heard of Christmas just fell off the wall and 451 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: plummeted to the ground and it was the spirit of Lauren. No, 452 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: that's Chuck Laurie. That's Chuck Laurie. He's like, he's like, 453 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: don't you dare coming to mind. Both these men still alive. 454 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: By the way, Oh my god, I know we'll chuck. 455 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: Laurie is gonna be like weakened up Bernie's at some 456 00:24:54,440 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: point you're gonna like exhume his body from Definitely. Definitely. 457 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: Let's just say I definitely love the book. Um and 458 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: it's it's really is so great and like, you know 459 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: what I love about this and bone we were saying 460 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: short chapters, Yes, oh I love them. I'm so horny 461 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: for a short chap, like think about like think about 462 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: less than zero, think about play it as it lays, like, 463 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot. I love a short chap. But 464 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: also the way that happened wasn't even like by design. 465 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: I didn't even try to write a novel. It was 466 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: just like special at just shutdown. We were in quarantine. 467 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: It was like April I realized that the world that 468 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: we were living in was hell, and I was like, okay, like, 469 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: why don't I build myself a new world that I 470 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: can get lost in it for you like a couple 471 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: of hours a day? And then so I just wrote 472 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: a thousand words a day and I thought, oh, surely 473 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: this will run out of steam. Like I don't. This 474 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: is just like it was like a choose your own adventure, 475 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: and so I would just right, yeah, I would write 476 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: a thousand words a day and and I feel like 477 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: I was going to hit a wall but then I 478 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: just gotta dot never did. So I feel like the 479 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: short chaps were just how I wrote it once a 480 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: day basically. Wow. I mean, isn't that like the the 481 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: ideal creative scenario where you just like are plopping clay 482 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: on the table over time and then by the end 483 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I have a novel. I'm so fucking 484 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: spooked because the experience was so tbh gorgeous. And I 485 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: feel like whenever you're supposed to talk about novels were like, 486 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: oh years suffering pain, Well, people can't stop talking about 487 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: how hard it is. I'm like, shut up, like, I'm 488 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: sure it's hard. I'm sure I don't want to hear 489 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: about how hard your process was. Like there are some 490 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: literal books and I'm don't name names because I literally can't, 491 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: but someone's autobiography it literally starts continues to be about 492 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: an to write the book, and I'm like, shut up, mama, 493 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: stop tell your funny stories and let's go Wait I 494 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: feel like I know what you're talking about. Here, bleep 495 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: this out. Oh god, that went a deep cut that 496 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: came out like years ago, and you could tell that 497 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: was like held together by silly string up. Someone had 498 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: a deal. Let's just say that. I know. I also 499 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: love like when they're like I just like I had 500 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: to write this book and you're like, no, you actually didn't, 501 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: and you have so much money, so like why did 502 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: you need this? And by the way, even like a 503 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: lot of money in book, it's still like not a 504 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: lot of money, so it's sort of like why did 505 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: you do this? Like so confused? Life changing? It's life changing, 506 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: fund like truly, like I'm sorry, Like like I'm sorry, 507 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: we're so miserable, Like you could have just literally sat 508 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: this one out and still been insanely rich. Like how 509 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: much money does one person need? You know? I think 510 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: that answer is going to scare a lot of people, 511 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like how much? How much money? Well, 512 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: I think being around really wealthy people, like the furnace 513 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: gets bigger and bigger, you have to feed the furnace, 514 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you can't imagine living life 515 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: for under twenty grand a month and you're just like wait, 516 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: like a like, and it's that's when it gets a 517 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: little spooky spaghetti dear what I mean, I'm I'm very 518 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: close to like pumping the brakes, or just like looking 519 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: through the books and being like to like slow my burn, honey, 520 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: closed the book. Close, Honey, that book is haunted. Close 521 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: it close it closes. I don't know, I think like 522 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: thinking the book is haunted is gonna like ruin my 523 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: life if I keep thinking the book is haunted and 524 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: I should just get over my fear and just like 525 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: do it. It's like it's like right, it's like starting 526 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: an email that you like are dreading writing, or it's 527 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 1: like every Saturday, like I like, I try to watch 528 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: the rehearsal tapes from the week, and then I always 529 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: dread doing it, but then I watch it and then 530 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: it's fine, and I feel like it's that similar thing 531 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: of like, oh, I don't want to do this, but 532 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: I know I have to or I should. No. No, 533 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: mine is never fun with us. All about relatability. Um no, 534 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: it's all about being salt of the earth. Oh No, 535 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: mine is never good. It's never like I have never 536 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: opened my becoming like, oh my god, there's more than 537 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: I like, Wow, I've actually not been so bad. It's 538 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: always like you must be joking, And it's because I yeah, 539 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: like I'm like an uper SUV, like honey again, like 540 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: are you okay? Like literally are you okay? But like 541 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: I need to be like if I'm going to the 542 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: West Side, I need to be swaddled in comfort, like 543 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: I need to like you know what I mean, like 544 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: if it's a long distance I mean I don't know, 545 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: is this like that? And no, that is the one 546 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: thing now now that I have, now that I'm a 547 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: gay man with with and who will have no children partner, 548 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: and I have play money. What I have been blowing 549 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: in on is the the extra big lift and like 550 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's if you guys don't need to do 551 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: but you know what we do? We do? We do? 552 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: We do? We do? We do? I mean hello, like 553 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: to have control over the music, I mean profound, like 554 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: literally being like, oh, can we do the Bluetooth hook up? 555 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, are you kidding me? Gordon? I can't stress 556 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: enough how important it is in l A to be 557 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: able to choose the words quiet ride because these girls 558 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: really in to talk. They're so into talking, and you 559 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: really get the craziest people in l A. I'm so 560 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: sorry when you have like a regular lift, the regular 561 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: lift drivers some of them and Bowen, you remember this. 562 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: Do you remember when we were in l A. That 563 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: crazy woman who drove us up a hill? You remember 564 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: that crazy behind me? It was in Silver Lake. I 565 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: think we're going to like Billy's Billy's house, and and 566 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: we were being driven by this woman who was talking 567 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: about how she wanted to make lift more of an experience. 568 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: She was like, I want to do lift, but it's 569 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: also a hotel. She she was literally like she was 570 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: running the show we got in. I don't think we 571 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: said a word. She was like, hey, my name is 572 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: so and so, and I want us to be the 573 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 1: best experience possible. In fact, I have a lot of 574 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: plans for my future. I want to open a lift 575 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: where I don't leave you a lot of the entire 576 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: timere in l A. And it was just like, I'm sorry, 577 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: but if I can throw some money at this problem 578 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: getting a lift, I've chosen the words quiet ride you 579 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: in l A. You must And I if it's if 580 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: it's that shitty thing that I'm spending expendable income on. 581 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: Then that's that, so be it. It's really don't get 582 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: the SUVs, don't get the why bo. I'm right here, Okay, 583 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 1: I'm right here. All I say is that last night 584 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: I had to go to Venice to eat vegan food. 585 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: It's like the gay draft. You after do it once 586 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: a year and like your name gets called, you have 587 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: to go to Vesta vegan food, and and I was like, 588 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm so profoundly unsoothed by eating, like having this moment 589 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: that I need to get into an uber. I need 590 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: to play protection by massive attack and I need to 591 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: literally doom my way home. Do you know what I mean. 592 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: It's like that's literally what I need and maybe some 593 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: sneaker pimps to do you know what I mean. Like 594 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: that's just sort of my vibe. And it was it 595 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: was honestly like hashtag recommended. It was amazing. Listen, Okay, 596 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: all right, it sort of is I mean, not attack, 597 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: I rise up. And also I mean especially to and 598 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: from airport. Get me, give me a boat, get me 599 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: in another plane to my house. Yeah, because those are 600 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: the only ones to pick you up at the l 601 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: a X airport. Now, well, you just have to get 602 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: a car service. But you have to get like call 603 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: ahead and have someone you know what I mean, that's well, 604 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that that might be a step too 605 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: far for me. Listen to you. You're like, you're like this, 606 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm really I'm a bad influenced baby. Don't stick with me, 607 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: don't You'll be filing for bankruptcy and about like two months. 608 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: It's honestly, it's not okay. Wait are you just go bo? 609 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, is this your Did you pick 610 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: out the gorgeous ball paper behind you? Um? No, it 611 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: came with the house. But but we did it. We did, 612 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: we did. We did install our own town of Finland 613 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: wallpaper into the bathroom because we want to love you know. 614 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: So it's like guys getting dpid while you p and 615 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: I just felt like very appropriate. It was just like 616 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: a way to let the neighborhood know that like Gates 617 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: had moved in, the kids are dead, like, let to 618 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: move on. What I mean, You're inviting everyone from the 619 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: neighborhood to the bathroom. Oh absolutely, it's the only way. 620 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: It's the only way to know how to get to 621 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: know people. Wait, are you up to date on Beverly Hills? 622 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: Have you watched the first two I've seen, Yes, Yes, 623 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: I have, Yes, I have. Yeah, it's it's so the 624 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: first episode was so heavy, obviously, Um, Sutton's reaction was 625 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: absolutely bone chilling. Um, absolutely bone chilling, Like it's truly like. 626 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: And then when she doubled down on it, I mean, 627 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: by the way talk about I mean, by the way 628 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: you mentioned me dragging Kyle Richards. But have you gotten 629 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: to the amendum about Kyl Richards? No? Not yet. Oh okay, 630 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: So I revised my opinion about her and k Yes, 631 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 1: and I say that she is she is kind of basic, 632 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: but she's an excellent producer, and she provides access to 633 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: Kim Richards and Kathy Hillton, which are national treasures. So 634 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: the thing with Kyle is that, honey, she's producing, she's 635 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: going to work, honey, She's pounding the and and she's 636 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: very savvy and she knows exactly how people are coming off. 637 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: So when when Sutton her had the meat and Great 638 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: where she was basically like, I'm going to give you 639 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: the space to apologize for being a true sociopath yesterday, 640 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: and then like you know, Sutton double triples down on 641 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: having a bad day. Then you can see Kyle being like, 642 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: oh honey, like you're not doing this correctly? Do what 643 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean? She's very no, which was what makes her 644 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: a very good audience surrogate is that she knows what 645 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: is being perceived, how things are going to come off. Absolutely. 646 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: But it's like and like Lisa Ren is giving a 647 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: I Cyborg this season. She was getting I II Cyborg 648 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: last season, but now it's really giving a I. It's 649 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: like I I truly like her soul has left the building. 650 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: It's just a lot of it's a lot of screens. 651 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: It's all of yes, girl like that. It's literally like 652 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: a robot. Like I'm like literally like hot, like are 653 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: you okay? So you know, look, I'm stunned that we 654 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: could be here in this place talking about Beverly Hills 655 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: because there was such a profound nose dive in quality 656 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: for about four or five seasons, and because I'm deeply unwell, 657 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: and We'll stick through these girls through anything, including Lucy 658 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: Lucy Apple juice. We have suffered so much collectively, they 659 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: put up, they put us through hell, and we are 660 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: finally being rewarded, which I which I love. But holy shit, 661 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: did we have to wait? Did we have to wait 662 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: the you know what? I love what what? We'll talking 663 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: about Kyle? Like? What? What? What? The My favorite thing 664 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: about Kyle is she is the best. It's exactly what 665 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: Bone said. She is the best housewife at being us, 666 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: like she's all of us right now. Is very Kyle 667 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: Richard's vibes. She can cry because someone is even feeling 668 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: a little bit sad. She is extremely sympathetic, and she's 669 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: very good at least portraying empathy. And she is the 670 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: bleeding heart of the show. But the thing with her is, 671 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: and it's it's sort of what Dorrit is not very 672 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: good at. It always feels natural, Whereas with Dorite, I 673 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: think even though she's gone through an extreme trauma, she 674 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: could not hide the fact that. And I'm sorry for 675 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: people that disagree, I'm sorry, but in that scene where 676 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: she's telling Mauricio and the girls what happened to her, 677 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: there is a little glimmer of glee in her eye 678 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: because she knows she is holding the center diamonds and 679 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: no one will be able to touch the storyline. And 680 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: it's dark, but it's it's it, And you guys agree 681 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: with me, Mad I'm getting full body chills because I 682 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: also felt that way, but then I felt so bad 683 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: for thinking that way because I, like, you know, reality 684 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: shows have really kind of like done a number on me, 685 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: like I believe, you know, in terms of like benefit 686 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: of the doubt. I feel like everyone's just a human 687 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: garbage can after watching them. So when when Derrie was 688 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: when I saw the glimmer, When I saw that glimmer, 689 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, Ryan, you're just you just you 690 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: need to have some faith, like you know what I mean, 691 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: like she this is crazy, but I saw it and 692 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, wow, it was I'm saying 693 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: it out loud, it was intense. But when did you 694 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: see it? I did, And I'm just thinking I've always 695 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: thought about this for all reality shows, like even like 696 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: ninety Day where it's like you see the fucking you 697 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: see the lighting rigs like in the shot, like you 698 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: like really concern itself with like faking it that it's 699 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: like an authentic moment because sometimes that sometimes Housewives does that. 700 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: But I go, something in your brain has to like 701 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: a small half lobe in your brain has to like 702 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: die for you to like be able to live your 703 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: life out while cameras are rolling in lights are like 704 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: blasting in your face that like you were only thinking 705 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: head too, like the tableau and the title sequence, like 706 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: where am I landing in the do I get to 707 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: her diamond? Like I think, like I think you guys 708 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: are right, I just don't necessarily blame don't either, And 709 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: then and I do want to stress like what happened 710 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: to her is traumatic and I think and I think 711 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: it's really I think it really happened to her. Let 712 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: some people are getting targets with me saying I don't 713 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: think it happened. That is really dark to say I 714 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: don't think. But here's what I'm saying. I'm commenting not 715 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: on Deret. I'm commenting on the fact that it was 716 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: like involuntary, and that is something that is that I 717 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: would think about all of the housewives. The only person 718 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: who I think it looked like abject was having a 719 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: bad time with their shitty storyline recently has been Erica, 720 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: because I think that you know her entire image, what 721 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: was at stake, like what happened, and it was happening 722 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 1: to her, and what happened to Doret had happened to her, 723 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: so whether it was like part of her process, so whatever, 724 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: moving forward, I and obviously she was incredibly upset and 725 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: disturbed and traumatized. And I'm sure we'll see you in 726 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: future episodes. I just think that when there are cameras 727 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: on you in that scenario, and and and what that, 728 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: what you were all trying to do is stay on 729 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: the show. No, you're not thankful that that happened to you. 730 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: But there was a little moment where she activated and 731 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: was doing housewives again on the show, which is crazy 732 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: considering there had been a gun in her face in 733 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: her home. And that is what I'm saying, if that 734 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, it's like Bowen's right, if it rewires 735 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: your brain, it really it changes how you process things 736 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: that happened to you, and you do look at things 737 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: in terms of your life, in terms of storylines, in 738 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: terms of like what your arc is going to be, 739 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: whether or not you're going to be untouchable from criticism, 740 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: and like this definitely gets her get out of jail 741 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: free card for sure. And and it's just I mean, 742 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so profound only disturbing to me, 743 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: but also like they I'm here, I just want to 744 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: ask you both thoughts on Diana Jenkins, who I think 745 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: is the best new housewife intro in very scenda, maybe 746 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: very exciting. She's I mean, she's a little she's odd. 747 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: She's an odd duck, you know. But we don't want 748 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: normal woman, of course not. And she's not given that. 749 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: Let me tell you that right now. She is not 750 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: giving that she has of course she is the weird 751 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: accent down she we have a weirder accent than the reads. 752 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: We have more money than Erica. We have like more 753 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: dismissive than like anything vander Pump would ever do. Like 754 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: when she came in and she said to the conflict 755 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: of the show, this is TACKI we need a new topic, 756 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: class list, this is class class less. I love it. 757 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: I love when a new housewife doesn't get the memo 758 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: and really comes in hot and like blazes through and 759 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: you're like, oh honey, you blew your load a little quickly, 760 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: like you're already you're already producing, because that's that's thing. Okay, 761 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: I love her whatever whatever, Like we'll see where she goes. 762 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: But I think she's very very conchi of like what 763 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: her job is, and I'm already seeing that happen. I'm 764 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: already seeing like her being like okay, like what am 765 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: I gonna do? Okay, well I'm gonna ruffle some feathers 766 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: and like this is classless, which, by the way, is 767 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: like put a super cut of like all the classless 768 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,720 Speaker 1: women saying this is classless. Like okay, like any update 769 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: computer and board. So it's like, you know, but but 770 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: so there is a little bit of like self awareness. 771 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: But that is a hallmark of the Beverly Hills franchise. 772 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: There's so they're so savvy that that's part of part 773 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: of why the franchise has been less fun until, of course, 774 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: Erica Jane allegedly embezzled millions of dollars. Thank god I 775 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: got it all back on track. But um, but it's 776 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: like because they are so hyper fucking aware of what 777 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: to do, and it's just it's not as pleasurable, you 778 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I do find it amusing that. 779 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: I I my theory is that Ash, her partner, and 780 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: her son are clearly fucking or something. I don't know, 781 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: Like I would love that. I would love that. The husband, 782 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: I think, I don't know if they're married or they're 783 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: they're just dating, I believe engaged or gave like extremely 784 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: serious either one he sucks dudes for sure. Yeah, sure, Broadways, Broadways. 785 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd necessarily who greeted Garcel like hate, gorgeous, stunning, 786 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: something you actually slinging the house now. I know. I 787 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: loved your role in the Jamie Fox Show. I'm a 788 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: huge Garcel fan. Yeah, that's my wife over there. I 789 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: love I love I love when days infiltrate the simulation. 790 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: I love when gay I love when gays get in 791 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They take and they take 792 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: a lonely, vulnerable, wealthy woman and they just they slide 793 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: up and they just get right in there. You know 794 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: what I mean. That's that's Plato's gay cave, is that 795 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: you realize that it's the project and then you want 796 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 1: to go into the projection. Absolutely, and gay grifter, I mean, hello, 797 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: there's so many gay grifter It's like like tales a 798 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: little scot. I mean, Sutton literally will once a week 799 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: if if you hang out at hid Tops enough, you 800 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: will see Sutton walk down. Santa Monica bole of Are 801 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: with her gay who allegedly was called f a g 802 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: by Kathie Hilton this season, although it's just been disputed. 803 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: I hope that I wish I wanted to be true. 804 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to be true by the way, of course, 805 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: fucking like Kathy Hilton said that, Here's here's the thing. 806 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: There is some weird paths that the Hilton's have always 807 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: gone in terms of their history with like racism and 808 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: like like Paris Hilton has been openly racist for like 809 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: saying the N word all these horrible things, and she 810 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 1: gets and like people just like then she's like, oops, 811 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: I was traumatized by Utah Boarding School. Yes, and people 812 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: like and people were like, oh my god, Queen, we 813 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: love a redemption narrative. Yes, we've been so harsh on you, 814 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: but blah blah. I mean, obviously both can be true, 815 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: but like, but it's just like they're Republicans, Babe, I 816 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you. Like Cathellen is probably 817 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: friends with gays and then like literally it's like love 818 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: you like a sister and then votes against the rights 819 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: when we're gone. I mean like literally, like I don't know, 820 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: it's like it's not surprising to me, and anyone that 821 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: thinks that they're like actually for them is like disturbed, 822 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, there are limits to 823 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: like restitution narratives that are like very much in vogue 824 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: right now, Like I don't know you. You gotta go like, well, 825 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: Paris Hulton was like kind of like pound for pound, 826 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: like a bad person, you know, like just like in 827 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: terms of like if you like go through like if 828 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: you sort of look at the totality of the person 829 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: of Paras Hulton, like and like I just I say, 830 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,919 Speaker 1: this is someone who's met her with math same God 831 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: we've changed. I'm like, I don't I don't love you, 832 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like worship you the way 833 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,959 Speaker 1: that like I think she thinks that everyone else does. 834 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, I definitely, um, well, here's what 835 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 1: I'd say about Paris Hilton. We definitely sang her second 836 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: most famous song to her nothing Nothing, It's better. It's 837 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: the better one. And so that's and just just to 838 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: sort of own up completely to our stand um, to 839 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: her face, her hands are not clean. Your well being 840 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: is a job. It is it is it really is 841 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: of interest. Being gay is a complicated job title of 842 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: a title of app We gotta ask, we really do Matt, 843 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: why don't you do it? Ryan? This is the big 844 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: question of last cultures. Thus and the question is as follows, 845 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: What was the culture that made you say culture is 846 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: for me? Okay? Can I be like a pretentious bit 847 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: about it? Growing up, I loved indie films, Okay, I 848 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: did I love the era of Gregor Rocky. Okay, so who, 849 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: by the way, this is this is my I've changed moment. 850 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: I've become friends with Greig, and like, Greg doesn't understand 851 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: how important he is to me, Like I think, really well, 852 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean I told him, I've told him, but he's 853 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: kind of like law Town, USA, and like doesn't really 854 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: take anything seriously. So I'm kind of like, okay, but no, 855 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,359 Speaker 1: like I'm truly addicted to you, and like, not only 856 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: did you introduce me to shoegaze, which is like the 857 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: only music I listened to, but it's like but also 858 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: like you're you know, like the Living End and nowhere 859 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: the Doom generation. Like yeah, like Kaboom, White Bird in 860 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: a Blizzard, Like it's just so seminal, I mean like 861 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: and but especially in the early nineties, he was making 862 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: these gay art films that were just so incredible and 863 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: so funny and dark and weird. So like I watched 864 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: those as like a very very very small child because 865 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: my parents do that could be any rules um um, 866 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: so I was, I was doing that, and then I 867 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: was like watching and then of course like Greg was 868 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: really important to me. And then Parker Posey, which is 869 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: like the day Trippers House of yes, um like uh, 870 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, clock Watchers with Lisa Coudreau and Tony Klett 871 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of I mean, I was like an 872 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: indie film fucking freak. I had this gab asitter who 873 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: was a lesbian well not at the time, like not 874 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: out but like honey game recommendation yeah, which she literally 875 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,919 Speaker 1: was a softball coach, which was a little on the nose, 876 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 1: but yeah um. And she took me to see Last 877 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: Days of Disco when I was like ten years old, 878 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: like with Chloe seven Yer, and like, I just I 879 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: just love those movies so so deeply, and I was like, okay, 880 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: there is like a gorgeous life. I felt like Bell 881 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: in the Duty and the Beast like I mean, you know, 882 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: as we know, I grew up on Aaron Brockovet Strye 883 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: and then and then these were this was your library 884 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: and the Beast Castle. You were absolutely absolutely And then 885 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: another major moment was watching the show Popular Uh the 886 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy's first show, Wow yeah, yeah yeah, And there 887 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: was these two truly truly deranged characters, Mary Cherry and 888 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: Nicole Julian. Oh you know yeah, Leslie Grossman and Tammy 889 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: Lynn Michaels. And Leslie Grossman also a person that I've 890 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: met and hung out with. And I'm like, you don't 891 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: understand what this is. I know she she she like 892 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 1: downplays her whole like what she means to gay people. 893 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: No people, No, I know. By the way we went 894 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: to Lascala of course, and and also and also she 895 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: gave me a ride home. She's like, do you need 896 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: a ride? I was like, because I feel like that 897 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: could go either way. It was incredible. It wasn't that good. 898 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was a natural extension of 899 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: the moment. It was. It was. It was not it 900 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: was not like, oh this got awkward now that we're 901 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: like not at church, you know what's call it? Um. 902 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: So she truly is an icon that I feel like 903 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: people everyone everyone knows in their heart, but but for 904 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: some reason, like maybe not everyone knows her name, but 905 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 1: like she is like singular, yes she's that girl. Oh absolutely, so, 906 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,399 Speaker 1: I mean I was that bitch like I saw vision 907 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: of suicides in the theater when I was like twelve, 908 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,879 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, Sofia cop obsessed with Kirsten Dunes. 909 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always necessed with Kirsten so like, but 910 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 1: like Popular was the first time, truly I think I 911 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: realized I was gay. Because there used to be this 912 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: message board called Television Without Pity, which was like the 913 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 1: original episode recap, but it was like Dell computer vibes, 914 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was like yeah, okay, 915 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, say okay, of course it's like a lifeline. Yeah. Um. 916 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,320 Speaker 1: And I remember like there was one episode of Popular 917 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, this is about Josh because like 918 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: getting on the football team, who cares? The only people 919 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 1: watching this are women in gay men, And I was 920 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: like and me. Then I was like, oh, I think 921 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: I might be gay. And I mean I was like 922 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: literally like in m roll call in middle school saying 923 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: like like Ryan o'carlby like thank you, like Nicole Julian 924 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: like literally like like like yeah, your personality I became. 925 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: I became the cold joyant and Mary Cherry. Yeah. But 926 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 1: that was like the first time I really understood like 927 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: a queer sensibility and what that meant. And then of course, 928 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: you know you mosy on over to Susan Sontag's notes 929 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: on camp and then it's all makes sense to you, 930 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, but those where I 931 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 1: mean it was but yeah, it was basically that me 932 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 1: being in the Indian little bit, my crush being Parker Posey, 933 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Really, that's that's really the 934 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: breadth of that is is really is great. I've been 935 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: watching a lot of Christopher Guests lately and truly just 936 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: I honestly think what she does in those movies too 937 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: is just it's so people don't she is, like she 938 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,359 Speaker 1: honestly deserves like a lifetime achievement oscar now for how 939 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: singular she is to cinema and how she important important 940 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: she was in the world you described, and also just 941 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: the world of those mockumentary films, Like she is truly 942 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: singular and needs even if I don't even know if 943 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,320 Speaker 1: she wants this, but she needs the moment that, like 944 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: Jennifer Cool is just happening that that of course she 945 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: wants it, Are you kidding me? But part of her 946 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,280 Speaker 1: makes me feel like she might be just too fucking 947 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,360 Speaker 1: cool for that, like she doesn't give a fuck. But 948 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: then again, she was in Superman. She was no, honey, 949 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,399 Speaker 1: I think she really wants it. Yeah, I mean, who 950 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,239 Speaker 1: doesn't you know? I mean, but I think I think 951 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: she's having her moment. She's in the staircase, which, by 952 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: the way, I typically don't even watch scripted. Besides I 953 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: love that for you, which, of course, which when by 954 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: which I'm not even kidding you, Like, I am so 955 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: obsessed with it, genuinely, and now you're so fucking funny 956 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: in it. I'm like, she's an actor, Like okay, like 957 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: she's giving actor thank you for saying this. I appreciative. 958 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,760 Speaker 1: It's honestly, it's it's really just fun to that character 959 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: is fun to play, which is like, thanks fucking God, 960 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,399 Speaker 1: because we get i mean, we get offered so many 961 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: things that are just like you know, come in and 962 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,919 Speaker 1: like ask someone where where you want to put something down, 963 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: and so you get a character that's like fun to 964 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: play and you don't have to write yourself. That's huge. Yeah, 965 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean I cannot. I cannot. And also it's just 966 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: like deliciously weird. It's a weird show than I appreciate. 967 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: I just love like when a show is not afraid 968 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: to just be like kukumgogo, you know what I mean. Yeah, 969 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely giving Vanessa. Yeah, you know what I mean, 970 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: Like it's so much Vanessa, but the best way and 971 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: the best you know. I love it. No, I know 972 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 1: it's insane. She can literally just exist and it's like, 973 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 1: and I guess that's what I mean about, like maybe 974 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,480 Speaker 1: she doesn't even give a funk because she, to me 975 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: exists in a different plane of existence and like she 976 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,799 Speaker 1: need not care about all that ship. But then again, 977 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,839 Speaker 1: I guess it does matter. It does absolutely matters because 978 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: of course, like she works really hard. I mean, anyone 979 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: that works really hard, like once recognition, that's sort of 980 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,120 Speaker 1: like I mean, for someone to be beyond that is 981 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 1: either like lobotomized or lying. What do you mean? So 982 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 1: we love Actually, my friend Craig just directed her in 983 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: a movie with Lisa, and I was like, first of all, 984 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,439 Speaker 1: like you're hanging out, You're hanging out with literally half 985 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,880 Speaker 1: a clod Watchers, which he's never seen, and I was 986 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,799 Speaker 1: like okay um, and I was like I'm literally gonna 987 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,920 Speaker 1: fly to fucking Massachusetts and like crash, this this is insane. 988 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,799 Speaker 1: I would be like, I would be so overwhelmed being 989 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 1: and by the way, I don't want to meet like 990 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 1: we talked before, like I don't want to meet any 991 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,799 Speaker 1: famous people because I I'm scared of all of them 992 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,320 Speaker 1: and like they're usually very unwell. But like Lisa, I 993 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: would say, Lisa's when I would want to meet Lisa 994 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: Coudreau Harker posey. I would love Mary Kittelson, I would 995 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: love I would love Chloe Chloe seven for sure, I know, 996 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 1: but I think that's kind of it. I think those 997 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: are my four that I actually would want to meet. 998 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,239 Speaker 1: Everyone else can literally like go, I'm just avoid you 999 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah? Oh, and I guess honestly, 1000 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: Kim Control was someone that I was obviously a bi 1001 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: pan of and now she pays my mom, So that 1002 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,399 Speaker 1: was actually really amazing. I was wondering, Oh, honey, honey, 1003 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,799 Speaker 1: what was that? Like, Honey, she's made first of all, 1004 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 1: I liked. I think that people are entering an era 1005 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,799 Speaker 1: of like realizing how funny and cool she is. Did 1006 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: you see that Variety interviews she did? I didn't read it. 1007 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, okay, you should because she's so 1008 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: fucking funny. She's dry as a goddamn bone, and she 1009 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,279 Speaker 1: just like gives no fox in this really refreshingly honest way, 1010 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: which like, honestly, if you've been working forever, like why 1011 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,360 Speaker 1: should you give any focks, like live your best sucking 1012 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: life and like be honest about things, and like that's amazing. 1013 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,279 Speaker 1: So I feel like people are like really addicted to 1014 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 1: her right now, which like working with her was such 1015 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,319 Speaker 1: a dream. She was such a she just she just 1016 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 1: gets it. She just sucking gets it, which like you 1017 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,440 Speaker 1: know it's not only the case rightly. Yeah, I mean 1018 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm bowen, and I sort of feel we've said on 1019 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,560 Speaker 1: this podcast that, well, Bone, do you agree with me 1020 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: when I say, if you've been famous for fifteen years 1021 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,920 Speaker 1: at this point you have you need to retire. I 1022 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: think we need all the famous people were people after 1023 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 1: the Chris Rock Will Smith slap. I think we got 1024 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 1: on Install Live and we're like, I think we just 1025 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: need a refresh. We can talk about some people case 1026 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,080 Speaker 1: by case, but general rule, if you've been famous for 1027 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: fifteen years or more, probably we need to I'm not 1028 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 1: saying they go somewhere. I'm just saying they stopped doing 1029 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 1: and being who they're being no more famed after fifteen years. Yeah, 1030 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: that's so true. We should put a timer on it. 1031 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: And if they've evolved correctly, they should be glad to 1032 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: have the time to run out right. That's a big if. 1033 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yes. But the thing with too, with like 1034 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,760 Speaker 1: Kim Contral is like every single thing she says about 1035 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,480 Speaker 1: not wanting to be on sex and this city understand 1036 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 1: and agree with. It's completely valid. It doesn't stop me 1037 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: from watching and just like that and being like maybe 1038 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,719 Speaker 1: at the finale she comes around in the corner knowing 1039 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,120 Speaker 1: full well that she would not, And I also like, 1040 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, I do like the the part of me 1041 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: that's like the most basic like really does want that. 1042 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,399 Speaker 1: But also I completely as a human being. Whenever Kim 1043 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,400 Speaker 1: is asked to speak about it, which I can't believe 1044 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: she is, but she is, and she says no, the 1045 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 1: answer is no. It's a flat out no, it's a 1046 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,880 Speaker 1: hard no. I'm not doing it. I don't enjoy it. 1047 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: I don't enjoy those people. It was a job. I'm 1048 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 1: always like yes literally and and and everyone shut up, 1049 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Well, it's it's like that 1050 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,839 Speaker 1: question of like what we're talking about earlier, like how 1051 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,160 Speaker 1: much money do you need? Like clearly like she doesn't, 1052 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like yeah, it's like, 1053 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, she wants to be happy famously, she doesn't 1054 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,360 Speaker 1: want to spend you know, more than an hour somewhere 1055 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: where she's not having the time for g damn life. 1056 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,360 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, love, um, so yeah, that's exactly 1057 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,880 Speaker 1: what she should be doing instead. You know, all the 1058 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,160 Speaker 1: other ones are just like sure, we'll take this like 1059 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 1: rusty old Wagon out for a spin again, like you 1060 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's just, oh my god, what 1061 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 1: a horror show that show was. I cannot wait to 1062 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,480 Speaker 1: watch forty more seasons. Similarly, it's truly like it's sex 1063 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 1: in the sim City. Like I truly like I feel 1064 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 1: like I'm in the Twilight Zone when I'm watching it. 1065 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 1: I really feel like it's like giving Westworld, you know 1066 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,280 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like not, it's not real. None 1067 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: of it is real. None of it is founded on 1068 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,760 Speaker 1: like human emotions. I do think that once you enter 1069 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,160 Speaker 1: a tax bracket you become so emotionally unintelligent. I think 1070 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 1: that really shows, do you know what I mean? I'm like, 1071 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 1: you really haven't met anyone in like twenty years have 1072 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,040 Speaker 1: you You know what I mean? I always say like 1073 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 1: when you live in the canyon for too long, you 1074 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: lose reception. You know what I mean? Oh my god, 1075 00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 1: that's genius. It feels true. But speaking of I mean, 1076 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,400 Speaker 1: we are we are on record here on a lost 1077 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: culture as thinking that um and just like that is 1078 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: written by third graders. But the thing is like I 1079 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 1: I would if I could inject it into my body, 1080 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: I would. Um. And speaking of revival slash reboots, you are, 1081 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: of course sort of iconically a writer and star of 1082 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: the new queer as Folk revival. So I would like 1083 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: to ask pose this question, what was your experience with 1084 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 1: queer as Folk outside of masturbating to select clips of it? Um? 1085 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,840 Speaker 1: That's basically it. Um. No, I mean, and thank you 1086 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: for being honest about that. No, I mean, here's the deal, 1087 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 1: here's the deal, and Kcock Media Training is gonna hate 1088 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:50,080 Speaker 1: me for this. Um. But basically, UM, I watched, like 1089 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:55,440 Speaker 1: anyone else, I watched the US Queer Spolke incognito Blockbuster video, 1090 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like literally like inspector Gadget, 1091 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: like there we go under the covers, and I was 1092 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 1: obviously very titillated. I was definitely like twelve year old 1093 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 1: hard um, like all all the things right. But of course, 1094 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 1: after like the come and euphoria washed off of me, Um, 1095 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:18,439 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, being gays gonna be hard. It's 1096 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 1: not gonna be good. I don't see me on that 1097 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,000 Speaker 1: dance floor. By the way, this is not me like 1098 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 1: holding them to task. And I like, yeah, there's no 1099 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 1: queer to say about people like break, bring me a break, sweetie. 1100 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,400 Speaker 1: It was like revolutionary. It was. It was absolutely groundbreaking. 1101 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 1: You know, now it's ben't twenty like and so, but 1102 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 1: but that that watching it in a way like it 1103 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,520 Speaker 1: did a number on me, like no j K. And 1104 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,400 Speaker 1: then this is when I got like corny about like 1105 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 1: representation mattering, but it did because that's the only lifeline 1106 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 1: that I had. And it was just sort of like 1107 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,880 Speaker 1: and again, it's not a fault of theirs, it's not 1108 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,919 Speaker 1: me dragging them, but it's just sort of like, Okay, well, 1109 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't see myself having any kind of life that 1110 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,280 Speaker 1: looks like there's so like off to the celibacy world. 1111 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 1: I go um. And so you know, I feel like 1112 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: in this today's oversaturated reboot climate, I feel like queers 1113 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,000 Speaker 1: focus one of those rare things that can actually justify 1114 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,120 Speaker 1: its existence because so much has sucking changed, Like and 1115 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,000 Speaker 1: it's honey, like we were running on Safari for a 1116 01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,920 Speaker 1: long time, and now it's time to go to like, 1117 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, Firefox or you know, maybe even Monterey or 1118 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: big Firefox is better than Safarty. You I think, no, sorry, 1119 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,919 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm Chrome Chrome. See this is clear 1120 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 1: clearly I'm not. No, please very queer fact checked me 1121 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,960 Speaker 1: because I'm not a tech girl, And you're right, it's 1122 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,120 Speaker 1: from it's giving Chrome under staying it would be super 1123 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,320 Speaker 1: queer to be like I use Firefox. You know, fire 1124 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 1: it's actually culture number sixty. Firefox is queer browser. Clear browser. 1125 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,760 Speaker 1: Um yeah. But I actually had never at the time. Obviously, 1126 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about it at all because I was 1127 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,600 Speaker 1: like a white gay kid living in a very white world, 1128 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 1: and I see this and it always like intimidated me 1129 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,440 Speaker 1: because I felt like, even even from that perspective, it 1130 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: did present a world where you had to be like 1131 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: either very sexually experienced or find someone who was going 1132 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,160 Speaker 1: to be your teacher, because that that was really that 1133 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: was really my imprint on it was it was this 1134 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 1: very I don't think I understood a thing that was 1135 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 1: going on. I just like because I was so preoccupied, 1136 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,479 Speaker 1: like viscerally understanding what was happening when I was watching it. 1137 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: So but I never thought about it as something that 1138 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,479 Speaker 1: felt like exclusionary because obviously it included a future version 1139 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,240 Speaker 1: of me, of course, but it's interesting that you felt included, 1140 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,920 Speaker 1: but you still felt very overwhelmed. And I think that, 1141 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,280 Speaker 1: like I think that, like even like the hyper sexualized 1142 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,240 Speaker 1: nature of the show, which like I mean, I mean 1143 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,360 Speaker 1: gay sexpert days, you know me, But it's like this 1144 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,040 Speaker 1: idea of like needing to be really amazing and bed 1145 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,760 Speaker 1: and like knowing how to do all things, and like 1146 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,080 Speaker 1: feeling you know, sexually inadequate, which I think a lot 1147 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,480 Speaker 1: of gay men grappled with in a very real way. Um, 1148 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,120 Speaker 1: because we have been so hyper sexualized and you know, 1149 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 1: there's all these stereotypes of us like which is fine, 1150 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 1: it's all like whatever, but it can kind of do 1151 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 1: a number on your self esteem and like the sexual arena, 1152 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,960 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? So it was it 1153 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 1: was cheat because like if twelve year old me, like 1154 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, quietly masturbating into the covers, um, I knew 1155 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,200 Speaker 1: that I was gonna be in the reboot, would be like, Okay, 1156 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: you really are Virgo go off. That was pretty honestly 1157 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 1: has to be. What is the like, um connection between 1158 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 1: this one and the original? Are there any people that 1159 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,680 Speaker 1: were involved in the original, like weighing no, which a 1160 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,520 Speaker 1: lot of people on the internet seemed to be upset about. 1161 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, honey, like, move on, dot Org. I don't know. 1162 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 1: You can watch the old Ones on DVD. How do 1163 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,400 Speaker 1: you different it's a different era? Yeah, um yeah, you 1164 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,840 Speaker 1: know they're is No, there's no like connective tissue. I 1165 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 1: mean there's like things that like feel spiritually resonant with 1166 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,160 Speaker 1: like the original one, Like there's Babylon and the new one. Um, 1167 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,480 Speaker 1: but it feels very much its own distinct show, which 1168 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,280 Speaker 1: I was really really excited about, and I don't know, 1169 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,720 Speaker 1: it was just really cool also like running for an 1170 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: all queer cast because we could be as messy and 1171 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,120 Speaker 1: complicated as we wanted to be without feeling like we 1172 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,280 Speaker 1: needed to represent entire like swap population, which I think 1173 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 1: sometimes people do feel that burden a little bit. I 1174 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,080 Speaker 1: mean I never do tbh, but like it can be 1175 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,000 Speaker 1: a problem that you know, shows run into and it 1176 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 1: was just amazing to just like be like, oh, this 1177 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,520 Speaker 1: person's queer, this person's queer. Like I feel like, you know, 1178 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,320 Speaker 1: a straight person in the show is basically a diversity 1179 01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,040 Speaker 1: higher at this point, you know what I mean. But 1180 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: it was really fun. I wasn't supposed to be in 1181 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,400 Speaker 1: it either. Stephen was like, oh, like you know, do 1182 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,440 Speaker 1: you like you should be in it? And I was like, oh, okay, 1183 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,840 Speaker 1: just dusting off the show. That was that went from 1184 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: just you being in the room to being on the cast. 1185 01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,440 Speaker 1: It was. It was when we met to be on 1186 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,440 Speaker 1: the show and I was originally just meaning to be 1187 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,920 Speaker 1: a writer, and he was like, I want you to 1188 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,280 Speaker 1: be on the show, like as a serious regular and 1189 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,640 Speaker 1: I I still the very complicated relation with acting, which 1190 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,320 Speaker 1: was very relatable to God, and you don't have to 1191 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,360 Speaker 1: tell these things behind bulletproof glass. It's like literally so obnoxious. 1192 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,520 Speaker 1: But it's like I wasn't supposed to start and Special, 1193 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,360 Speaker 1: and then I was, and then I thought after Special 1194 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,520 Speaker 1: I would be done and never do it again, and um, 1195 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,560 Speaker 1: and to go from that to this very quickly, it's 1196 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,160 Speaker 1: been like I don't know, and like I don't know, 1197 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,280 Speaker 1: I just like feel I just have a lot of 1198 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,560 Speaker 1: feelings about it and whether or not I think I 1199 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of imposter syndrome tv H, I have 1200 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,000 Speaker 1: a lot of imposter syndrome because um, I didn't go 1201 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,800 Speaker 1: to school. I take writing very seriously, I really do. 1202 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 1: And I and and with acting, it's like I just 1203 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,800 Speaker 1: kind of fell into it in this way, and I 1204 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of guilt about that, and like whether 1205 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,160 Speaker 1: or not I'm deserving to be there, do you know 1206 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,760 Speaker 1: what I mean? But well, I can see feeling like 1207 01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,880 Speaker 1: that because but the thing about you is like you 1208 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,960 Speaker 1: are a very authentic person and that comes through on screen. 1209 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,760 Speaker 1: And I think that like you have such there is 1210 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,440 Speaker 1: such a singularity to you that I feel like I understand, 1211 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,720 Speaker 1: like you didn't go to school for acting. You feel 1212 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,720 Speaker 1: like you're taking it from someone who did maybe or 1213 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,520 Speaker 1: like whatever that is. But there's also something to say 1214 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,960 Speaker 1: for Like, I mean, what we do is about communicating, 1215 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,040 Speaker 1: and you are a very clear and good communicator, both 1216 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 1: on the page and on screen, and so I mean 1217 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,040 Speaker 1: that's not a mistake and you deserve it, thank you, 1218 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,439 Speaker 1: And that's also something to be said about There's also 1219 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,280 Speaker 1: something to be said about you acting in extension to 1220 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,160 Speaker 1: your writing. And you've only acted in things that you've Yeah, 1221 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,520 Speaker 1: I've never I've never auditioned, like I can't do that? 1222 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 1: That would that would like give me like I can't. Well, 1223 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,640 Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a control freak. Second of all, 1224 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,440 Speaker 1: so much of what for when no one's banged on 1225 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 1: my door? Of course, But like the few things I 1226 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 1: do get, it's like to play like someone you know, 1227 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,400 Speaker 1: it's to play like someone from Pretty Little Liars piano teacher, 1228 01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 1: like it's not you know what I mean, it's it's 1229 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,200 Speaker 1: like and and I remember the first time. I remember 1230 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,400 Speaker 1: when Special came out. I was like, oh, I guess 1231 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,200 Speaker 1: I should god an acting agent. I guess, like to 1232 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,040 Speaker 1: see what that's about. And I remember I got My 1233 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,680 Speaker 1: first thing was for the love Birds with Ray and 1234 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,479 Speaker 1: it was awful. I mean it was it was really bad. 1235 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,160 Speaker 1: And I remember I called my agent and I was like, 1236 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,520 Speaker 1: can I rewrite this? And like genuine and she was like, no, 1237 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,040 Speaker 1: you have to go in there and do it as written. 1238 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, but it's bad, and she's like, you can't 1239 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,240 Speaker 1: rewrite it. And I was like, oh then I can't 1240 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: do this. I'm like can't, I said, can I ever 1241 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,400 Speaker 1: rewrite anything, and she goes no, and I'm like, so 1242 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,280 Speaker 1: I have to take these pages. I have to do 1243 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: that and she's like yes, And I was like, oh, 1244 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: then don't send me anything. I wanted to do something 1245 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,120 Speaker 1: that you wrote and have to go to go to you. Hey, 1246 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about reworking this scene. They well, because it'll 1247 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:55,200 Speaker 1: be good. No, I really, I just don't get it. 1248 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like, so much of it is so bad. 1249 01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,920 Speaker 1: I can't I can't wrap my hand around it. Is true, 1250 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,560 Speaker 1: it's so bad and like and also part of it 1251 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,320 Speaker 1: is I'm a control freak and I like to be 1252 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, involved, but you know, in so many different ways. 1253 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,479 Speaker 1: Otherwise I get kind of bored. I like doing all 1254 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 1: the stuff. It's really exciting to me. Um and yeah, 1255 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,800 Speaker 1: so it was really it was really exciting experence. Plus 1256 01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:23,160 Speaker 1: living in New Orleans, it's like so yeah, none of 1257 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,520 Speaker 1: us have it is weird, like that is like I 1258 01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: think that and that Denver where Bone is from, and 1259 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,360 Speaker 1: like Nashville, Well he's from Okay. I love that pregnant 1260 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,960 Speaker 1: pause because how close Aurora to Denver. Oh, it's like, 1261 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:46,200 Speaker 1: uh like eight miles outside of Okay. So it's an exerp. 1262 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,520 Speaker 1: It's an exerbi of yees. Anyway, I didn't know if 1263 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,240 Speaker 1: it was like a Dallas Fort Worth thing where it's 1264 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,440 Speaker 1: like people from that Fort Worth are sort of claiming 1265 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:57,240 Speaker 1: Dallas like that. It's not like we just went to 1266 01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,400 Speaker 1: high school. You went to high school with Liz, right. 1267 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,200 Speaker 1: I did high school with our friend Lizela Renley. Yeah, 1268 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:09,600 Speaker 1: I love Yeah, a frequent pool guest. Yes, she is 1269 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,200 Speaker 1: in that pool. She's in that pool. I love that pool. 1270 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: By the way. It's a cute little pool, Jared's pool. 1271 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,880 Speaker 1: Liz was. Liz was bff with Yang, with my sister 1272 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,679 Speaker 1: Yang amazing. Yeah, well, after all the first Christmas parties 1273 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,320 Speaker 1: that Yan would throw at our house in college, like 1274 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,320 Speaker 1: she would invite Liz over, and Liz would just regale 1275 01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,559 Speaker 1: everybody because at the time she had the chickest job 1276 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,280 Speaker 1: out of anybody, which was like being like Tyra Banks's 1277 01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,880 Speaker 1: assistants assistant or whatever the hell. Yeah she was, and 1278 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,920 Speaker 1: she was also she was she was high Clum's assistant too, 1279 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,320 Speaker 1: That's what it was. Yes, Yeah, it was high Clum 1280 01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,000 Speaker 1: and then and then it was Tira and then she 1281 01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,400 Speaker 1: got it, she got hired and awkward, I think, which 1282 01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,519 Speaker 1: was also which was also my first writing job to 1283 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,800 Speaker 1: really yeah, but we missed each other, well, we mist 1284 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,519 Speaker 1: each other by a season. She did season three and 1285 01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,000 Speaker 1: I did seasons four and five. But yeah, god, I 1286 01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:03,760 Speaker 1: got it. So she was moonlighting as like supermodel assistant 1287 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,439 Speaker 1: for for quite a while. I wonder what Supermodels and 1288 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,160 Speaker 1: Tira was on. I love that for you, little full 1289 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:17,439 Speaker 1: circle moments truly came in. There are little supermodels are 1290 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,880 Speaker 1: connected to all of us. Thank thank you, thank you. 1291 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,400 Speaker 1: And the thing is, it's like they live in our world. 1292 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,479 Speaker 1: You could be one. And that's I'm talking to all 1293 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,960 Speaker 1: the us. We have a lot of aspiring actors, writers 1294 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,679 Speaker 1: and models that listen to a Lost Countures and I'm 1295 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,320 Speaker 1: telling them you are in closer proximity to Heidi Kluman. 1296 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,559 Speaker 1: You think, keep going, mama. I'm saying that to everyone 1297 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,519 Speaker 1: that listens right now. Keep going, mama, no matter what 1298 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,400 Speaker 1: you're doing. I feel like you guys are getting model. 1299 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:47,360 Speaker 1: I feel like photo shoots for days love addicted. Well, 1300 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,599 Speaker 1: he's commenting on recent shoots. What do you mean you 1301 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,479 Speaker 1: guys are like hello again, Bowen. We were on the 1302 01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: same cover of magazine. I know what you can do. 1303 01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,360 Speaker 1: We were on doing. We were on doing is, which 1304 01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,360 Speaker 1: is like pinning two gay people against each other, which 1305 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:08,120 Speaker 1: is not unfair. It's so fucked up. I loved yours. 1306 01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,840 Speaker 1: I loved yours, but I know I loved I loved 1307 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,960 Speaker 1: every other photo except for the cover. Except for the cover, 1308 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,880 Speaker 1: I thought, and I'm so sweet. Oh god. It was 1309 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,920 Speaker 1: like it was like giving like infantilize like people because 1310 01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,200 Speaker 1: it's a it's a larger issue I have of like 1311 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:27,800 Speaker 1: being disabled. People are like, oh my guys don't and 1312 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 1: You're like, how do I just want to be hot? 1313 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,720 Speaker 1: I want you to absolutely rail Just tell me I'm 1314 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,439 Speaker 1: pretty Yeah, no, I can literally just tell you I 1315 01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,920 Speaker 1: want to be absolutely railed. And like I like, I'm like, 1316 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,880 Speaker 1: don't make me do this like five year old, like 1317 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,479 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It just makes me like 1318 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,320 Speaker 1: feel gross getting all pretense out, Like yes, it is 1319 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:51,160 Speaker 1: a little bit about that, Like everyone wants to be railed, 1320 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,400 Speaker 1: and so when they say to you, we can dress 1321 01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,280 Speaker 1: you up in a way that if people look at 1322 01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,679 Speaker 1: the picture they want to rail you, it's like, yeah, 1323 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:02,520 Speaker 1: then sign me up for the railing. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, 1324 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,320 Speaker 1: I did my I did like my first kind of 1325 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,920 Speaker 1: like nude shoot like last week, which I was like, 1326 01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,479 Speaker 1: love well, because it's like when you're around gays, first 1327 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,200 Speaker 1: of all, it's immediately safe and it's immediately horny. I 1328 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,760 Speaker 1: mean it's like already like like you and you know 1329 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,479 Speaker 1: that you can like take it there like or like 1330 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,080 Speaker 1: it's like, well and actually it's an interesting dance. You're 1331 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:23,800 Speaker 1: kind of like okay, and then of course, like I'm 1332 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,920 Speaker 1: a shy girl, so and he's like and then I'm like, 1333 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: oh do you like? And then you know, you see 1334 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,880 Speaker 1: that what the options are for clothes, and you're like, 1335 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,880 Speaker 1: oh okay, there's there's already like eighty jock straps like 1336 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,479 Speaker 1: on the thing, so like this is already going to 1337 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,679 Speaker 1: be what it is. Okay, great love that. So okay, okay, 1338 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna let's let's push the pedal to the metal. 1339 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,160 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? I loved it. I 1340 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,040 Speaker 1: thought it was like it was very empowering, it was 1341 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,760 Speaker 1: very chic, like you know, I just feel like you 1342 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,320 Speaker 1: gotta have those moments, those like little thoughty moments. Yeah, 1343 01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is it's it's it's it's part 1344 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,400 Speaker 1: of it. It's part of it. You just had a 1345 01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,920 Speaker 1: thought I had a I had a thought shoot for 1346 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,680 Speaker 1: Gay Letter. I I did a thong. How do you 1347 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,800 Speaker 1: feel about it? You know? What made me feel better 1348 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,840 Speaker 1: the fact that Joel, Kimbooster and Cola School and we're 1349 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,880 Speaker 1: also doing it. When I heard that we were all 1350 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,599 Speaker 1: doing and I was like, Okay, it's sort of like 1351 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,680 Speaker 1: when you hold hands with your girls in order to 1352 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,519 Speaker 1: go into the haunted house. Like for me personally, I 1353 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,479 Speaker 1: need I need two girls on each of my arms 1354 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,080 Speaker 1: when I go into the haunted house or else I'll 1355 01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,639 Speaker 1: be really scared, like I by myself. No, there's I'd 1356 01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:34,439 Speaker 1: be so scared. That's so interesting. Oh my god, Yeah, 1357 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,920 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. Do you do you do haunted houses? 1358 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,720 Speaker 1: What do you mean, like, like, do you like them? 1359 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,640 Speaker 1: Do you like to go into a hunted house? No, 1360 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 1: there's like a lot of things I don't the thing, No, 1361 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,519 Speaker 1: I don't. You don't like scary things? I don't know. No, 1362 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,600 Speaker 1: I do I like scary movies. Yeah, I'm not so opposite. 1363 01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't do Like there's too much activity 1364 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: like how haunted house and we talked about when you 1365 01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,840 Speaker 1: guys talked about going to like that not very farm thing. 1366 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm like what is this. I don't understand, but I 1367 01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,320 Speaker 1: support you. Um I'm saying is things that are scary 1368 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:13,360 Speaker 1: are are easier with friends. And because because including nude 1369 01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,880 Speaker 1: photo shoots, including nude photo shoots, we didn't all do 1370 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,559 Speaker 1: it at the same time, I think that would make 1371 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,920 Speaker 1: me a little scared. Although Boone and I did recently 1372 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,080 Speaker 1: do a shirtless photo shoot together for the cover of 1373 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 1: this podcast That's Fun. Did you love that? It was 1374 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,840 Speaker 1: so quick it wasn't scary at all. And then we 1375 01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,040 Speaker 1: were also giving we were giving um little sexy little 1376 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:37,720 Speaker 1: harlots as a as a goof yes, we'll see I 1377 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,280 Speaker 1: I need to be looped up. Like at first they 1378 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,600 Speaker 1: were like how willing how far are you willing to go? 1379 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,320 Speaker 1: And I was like no, Like what do you mean, 1380 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,680 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I was like, yeah, you know, 1381 01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:46,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, give me the give me 1382 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,439 Speaker 1: the full body suit. And then literally cut to like 1383 01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,559 Speaker 1: three songs later, I'm literally playing treeting like a slot 1384 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,120 Speaker 1: like Petros and I'm like literally showing whole and like 1385 01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,960 Speaker 1: literally like I'm just like They're like, wow, this athletic 1386 01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,960 Speaker 1: quickly and I'm like he be like slut honestly there's 1387 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,800 Speaker 1: a reason why we all fucking love it's because we 1388 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,479 Speaker 1: know what it sounds like in our voice. Like when 1389 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,920 Speaker 1: I listened to it for the first time, it was 1390 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,280 Speaker 1: like basic gay slut activated. It literally was like mae, 1391 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,800 Speaker 1: but it was like, okay, let's go. I was like 1392 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,479 Speaker 1: talk about a cyborg. I was literally just like yes, 1393 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,320 Speaker 1: I want to funk fuck you know what I mean. 1394 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Something something about Kim is so activating. It's 1395 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,280 Speaker 1: it's really like something it's like beyond star quality. It's 1396 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 1: beyond like charisma. There's something about like there's a command 1397 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,719 Speaker 1: to her voice or something like it is her voice, 1398 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,240 Speaker 1: it's you know what it is. It's literally the resonance 1399 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,960 Speaker 1: in her voice. It's she's here, it's she's she. It's 1400 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,519 Speaker 1: like it's like it's almost like she's punching a code 1401 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,360 Speaker 1: into our brains when things, yes, well she can push 1402 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:53,439 Speaker 1: she puts the air through. Are in order and order? No, 1403 01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,400 Speaker 1: they're in order, Like there are a call to action. 1404 01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,759 Speaker 1: They're literally like it's like a it's like a robot 1405 01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 1: giving you a command and you're like, okay, I will 1406 01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,599 Speaker 1: be a slot because you said so. Like literally it's 1407 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,120 Speaker 1: like okay, you can't be relaxed. And this is not 1408 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,680 Speaker 1: a knock on her, It's just you can't be relaxed 1409 01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,360 Speaker 1: listening to her music. It's what you're saying. It is activated. 1410 01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,000 Speaker 1: It is an order, It is a call like Whereas 1411 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,880 Speaker 1: like if she had a voice like Shade, if her 1412 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,519 Speaker 1: vocal tone was, you know, giving Tony Braxton, we'd sit 1413 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,960 Speaker 1: back in our chairs. You know, you'd say, like the blunt. 1414 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,639 Speaker 1: But with with Kim, you're not lighting the blunt, you're 1415 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:33,519 Speaker 1: sort of taking No. Absolutely, absolutely not. The first time 1416 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,599 Speaker 1: I ever heard like st it was it was when 1417 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,000 Speaker 1: we were shooting a dance scene at Babylon and everyone 1418 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,000 Speaker 1: took off their shirts and dance and it was like 1419 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,439 Speaker 1: it was giving nineties throwback. I loved it. It was 1420 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,840 Speaker 1: it was like I could not. I could not have 1421 01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,880 Speaker 1: done that without Kim. I could not. I could not 1422 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:59,120 Speaker 1: has to do a slop pop cover true child. Honestly 1423 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,880 Speaker 1: I would look into that. Oh yes, absolutely, to put 1424 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,519 Speaker 1: that in my veins. Oh my god, I think I 1425 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,200 Speaker 1: still I still do spin that, Kim. I'll tell you 1426 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,040 Speaker 1: that that that EP. I spin that Kim. What is that? 1427 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,719 Speaker 1: You know? The ep with with treat Me like a slot? 1428 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I I really do. It's held up in 1429 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,639 Speaker 1: my rotation, that's for sure. Absolutely, It's only been out 1430 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,559 Speaker 1: for like three months, by the way, you should say, 1431 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,920 Speaker 1: but that's a comment on the transient nature of pop, 1432 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,160 Speaker 1: you know, sure, sure, Like we're asked, we're asked to 1433 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,040 Speaker 1: consume so much. Although you know, the girls are really 1434 01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,000 Speaker 1: mad right now, and we've had several people on this 1435 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,920 Speaker 1: podcast come on and talk about the TikTok of it 1436 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,400 Speaker 1: all in pop music like this, this is a big 1437 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,000 Speaker 1: this is a big thing right now, Like Halsey is 1438 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,800 Speaker 1: taken to her TikTok to be her Instagram or whatever 1439 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,800 Speaker 1: to be like, there's a song I'm obsessed with that 1440 01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,720 Speaker 1: I really want to release and my label won't let 1441 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,080 Speaker 1: me because it's not TikTok. All are there and they 1442 01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,640 Speaker 1: need to find out how to make it TikTok a 1443 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,439 Speaker 1: bill and I need And I'm not viral enough on that, 1444 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,719 Speaker 1: and Baron Morris mentioned it, and it's been mentioned other times, 1445 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,679 Speaker 1: and it seems like like this TikTok thing is like 1446 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,400 Speaker 1: really really really now shaping the music that we are 1447 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,960 Speaker 1: even given an opportunity to listen to. I feel like 1448 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,439 Speaker 1: Old Lady Rose from Titanic thing like it's been many 1449 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,160 Speaker 1: four years. Literally, like I don't even know what any 1450 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,559 Speaker 1: of that means. I'm literally like okay, just that, just that, 1451 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,320 Speaker 1: like it's motivating. The reason why, like songs are shorter 1452 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,439 Speaker 1: and again brains, Yeah, totally. It has to be a 1453 01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,679 Speaker 1: certain like bpm so that there can be like dances 1454 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,840 Speaker 1: like you know, choreographed to and stuff like that. Oh 1455 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,400 Speaker 1: that's so dark or like just bowing up the altar 1456 01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,439 Speaker 1: of TikTok yikes. Yeah, well, don't worry. I'll be listening 1457 01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:57,600 Speaker 1: to my slow died below in my bedroom. Bone. Do 1458 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,439 Speaker 1: you think it's time? I think it's time. I think 1459 01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,679 Speaker 1: it's time for I don't think so, honey. It's sort 1460 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:08,760 Speaker 1: of celebrated of the podcast, which really asks um, the 1461 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,200 Speaker 1: hosts and guests of the podcast to do one thing 1462 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,880 Speaker 1: rant to get something in culture for sixty seconds. It's 1463 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,360 Speaker 1: absolutely pissing us off. Um, I have something that happened 1464 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,840 Speaker 1: to me today that I would like to get off 1465 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,280 Speaker 1: my chest. Okay, we'll start with you, Matt. This is 1466 01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,640 Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, Honeytime starts now. I 1467 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,840 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. My air pods are in my 1468 01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: walk is a struct Unfortunately, no matter where I go, 1469 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,800 Speaker 1: no matter what I'm doing. If I'm listening to music, 1470 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,200 Speaker 1: I am strutting. And I know what you're going to 1471 01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:35,759 Speaker 1: say to me when you tap me on the shoulder, 1472 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,360 Speaker 1: if we're running into each other, what are you listening to? 1473 01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,400 Speaker 1: Your absolutely strutting. I'm gay. It's a part of the 1474 01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,599 Speaker 1: way that I expressed myself. I can't not strut when 1475 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,360 Speaker 1: I walk. You're not like making a new like observation 1476 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,439 Speaker 1: when you tell me, oh my god, you were absolutely strutting. 1477 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,320 Speaker 1: I know my air pods were. And it could be 1478 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,600 Speaker 1: literally you know there, there could never be back to 1479 01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,920 Speaker 1: before from Ragtime, or it could be are on a 1480 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Grande a live album. I'm strutting. When I'm listening to music. 1481 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,160 Speaker 1: The synapsis fire from my brain. It goes to my hips. 1482 01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,360 Speaker 1: And when I sort of go into a feug state 1483 01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,000 Speaker 1: where I'm just sort of doing my thing running, my 1484 01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,240 Speaker 1: body just turns into a strut. I'm gay. It's a 1485 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,360 Speaker 1: part of who I am, and my d n A 1486 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,800 Speaker 1: makes my body act this way. I'm a strutter. I'm 1487 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,839 Speaker 1: not a sort of a stroller. I'll never be a stroller. 1488 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,160 Speaker 1: Don't ask me something like that I can't accomplish for you. 1489 01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm a strutter. I don't think so, honey, And that's 1490 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,120 Speaker 1: one minute. Don't apologize. You know what. Maybe I did 1491 01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,439 Speaker 1: say the words i'm sorry in that call back to 1492 01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,760 Speaker 1: the book. Um, maybe I did say the words i'm 1493 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,759 Speaker 1: sorry a bunch in that. I don't think so, honey. 1494 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,479 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, what I really want to do, 1495 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,840 Speaker 1: is just say I'm accepting it about myself. And when 1496 01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,599 Speaker 1: people call it out to me, I feel self conscious 1497 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,240 Speaker 1: every time because I think it makes me feel like, oh, 1498 01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,719 Speaker 1: I'm looking gay on the street, which is some classical 1499 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,000 Speaker 1: conditioning from way back. But you know what, I'm a 1500 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:57,559 Speaker 1: strutter and I'm gonna here to normalize strutting despite you know, 1501 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:03,640 Speaker 1: being alone and just doing menial tasks. Representation matters. I mean, 1502 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,679 Speaker 1: if anything we've learned from this hour and a half, 1503 01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, hello, yeah, that that's that's been a major 1504 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:15,080 Speaker 1: topic and it should be yang time. You don't think so, honey. 1505 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,720 Speaker 1: Are you sort of galvanized? I am its yeah. I 1506 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,080 Speaker 1: love when my girl gets calvinized. Um, this is your 1507 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,360 Speaker 1: your I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. 1508 01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, anti reflective coding on eyeglasses. 1509 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:36,280 Speaker 1: I allegedly bought that paid like an extra hundred dollars 1510 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,400 Speaker 1: for anti reflective coding on these lenses. Then, in the 1511 01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:45,120 Speaker 1: words of Mulan, why is your reflection showing in my glasses? 1512 01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,800 Speaker 1: You guys can see yourselves right like like like in 1513 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,479 Speaker 1: a way, you guys can see like some projection of 1514 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,640 Speaker 1: yourselves onto me, onto my eyes. That's not acceptable. That 1515 01:20:54,760 --> 01:21:00,800 Speaker 1: is not literally I'm being I'm being scammed out of um. 1516 01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm doing press tomorrow and I can't wear these glasses 1517 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,240 Speaker 1: because there's gonna be too much glare and I feel 1518 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:12,200 Speaker 1: like I'm like a villain in a Japanese anime. I'm 1519 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,760 Speaker 1: gonna be like just on camera with a with a 1520 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,360 Speaker 1: full glare on my eyeglasses. I can't be looking like 1521 01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,200 Speaker 1: that while I'm promoting five second new film Fire Island 1522 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,360 Speaker 1: coming out on June third on Hulu and Disney Plus 1523 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,559 Speaker 1: and international territories. And that's one minute. I who helped 1524 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,640 Speaker 1: you there? Did they tell you their name? As guy 1525 01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:39,440 Speaker 1: at Studio Optics and Rockefeller Center and running like Studio Optics. 1526 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:42,240 Speaker 1: He was so he was so helpful, he was so 1527 01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,080 Speaker 1: helpful in getting my glasses to me early. But he 1528 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,880 Speaker 1: did really pitch the antireflective coding and Ryan, I'm sure 1529 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,040 Speaker 1: you familiar with this part of the project. Another relatable moment. 1530 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,839 Speaker 1: Have you ever been hashtag on set and they're like, oh, 1531 01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,640 Speaker 1: his glasses, like we need to fix his glass like 1532 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,400 Speaker 1: like like like we can't. Is all glare And I'm like, funny, 1533 01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:02,880 Speaker 1: she was born this way. I don't know what to 1534 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,840 Speaker 1: tell you, Like literally, I don't know. And I've been 1535 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,600 Speaker 1: there when that's happened to Bowen and every time I 1536 01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,960 Speaker 1: never even think about what this experience is like it 1537 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,400 Speaker 1: is absolutely hounds like the spott of my differences. You 1538 01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,360 Speaker 1: hold up production, you're that you know what I mean, 1539 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,120 Speaker 1: and it's like and it's like, literally, I don't feel you. 1540 01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,120 Speaker 1: It's my glasses. And by the way, these classes cost 1541 01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:24,720 Speaker 1: forty million dollars because because my my my vision is 1542 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,720 Speaker 1: so fucking bad that I have to like airlifted to 1543 01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,439 Speaker 1: like tim bluck fucking too and it's not to be 1544 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,679 Speaker 1: ready for four months. So I'm like, I've done everything 1545 01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,120 Speaker 1: I can. I put on answer like whenever they say 1546 01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:36,720 Speaker 1: like do you want all the bells and whistles like 1547 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,680 Speaker 1: anti reflector or whatever, and I'm like, yes, yes, a 1548 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,400 Speaker 1: million times yes, and it comes back and I'm still 1549 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,800 Speaker 1: serving reflection and I'm like, I don't honey, there's a 1550 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,240 Speaker 1: ceiling and I've hit it. We've hit the ceiling. Hunt. 1551 01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,320 Speaker 1: But I think I think I was given up a 1552 01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,519 Speaker 1: purposefully low ceiling on this because my other glasses don't 1553 01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:56,960 Speaker 1: reflect as much. So somebody lied. Somebody lied to sabotage you. 1554 01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:04,000 Speaker 1: That's what I know. Who it is. Mike obviously works 1555 01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:08,040 Speaker 1: for the competing Queer Project of the Summer Queer as 1556 01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:17,800 Speaker 1: Folk producers of folk came to sabotage Wait, we need 1557 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,479 Speaker 1: to rewind the tape that was iconic, the competing gay 1558 01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:28,160 Speaker 1: project what Bros No queers by the way, By the way, 1559 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:33,000 Speaker 1: just to fact check and said, with absolute undying love, Bros. 1560 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:37,280 Speaker 1: Doesn't coming out to September, okay exactly, And a lot 1561 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,240 Speaker 1: of the media coverages this will be like the gay 1562 01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,880 Speaker 1: rob come of the summer, And I'm like, honey, September summer. Yeah, 1563 01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,599 Speaker 1: but that's what it feels like summer. Not for nothing. 1564 01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,040 Speaker 1: By the way I saw the trailer, I want it 1565 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,880 Speaker 1: in my veins. I'm obsessed with it. But I'm like, 1566 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,800 Speaker 1: this is the longest roll out of history. But also 1567 01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,840 Speaker 1: that's just called money in studio vibes. You know what 1568 01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean. It's fully a fall film unless you know 1569 01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:06,479 Speaker 1: an Indian summays the first day of summer is Une. 1570 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,240 Speaker 1: So I don't think Fire Island even Wow. Okay, so 1571 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,880 Speaker 1: we are a movie of the spring. So honestly spring 1572 01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:16,920 Speaker 1: Fire Island is a spring film, and I'm sorry about bros. 1573 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:22,160 Speaker 1: Is Although when it's an autumn picture, you're like, get 1574 01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,160 Speaker 1: me the calendar. We set it fall, we set football 1575 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,200 Speaker 1: like cancel us. It's fall it is, you know, look 1576 01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,759 Speaker 1: at the calendar. I hope someone I hope someone grabs 1577 01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,360 Speaker 1: from this podcast like Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers a 1578 01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:39,080 Speaker 1: Fire Island disparage, bros. Call it quote fall film. Aren't 1579 01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,400 Speaker 1: you in? Bros? Yes? I am. For one little scene? 1580 01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:46,600 Speaker 1: Did you green screen it? What happened? I did do 1581 01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,280 Speaker 1: one green screen thing where I'm supposed to dance with 1582 01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,120 Speaker 1: Harvey fire scenes character dance together. But we but we 1583 01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,559 Speaker 1: shot on separate days, so we just got me. Oh 1584 01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:59,800 Speaker 1: my god, movie sucking busy and fucking busy into the 1585 01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:08,080 Speaker 1: damn um. So listen, speaking of speaking of the film, 1586 01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,439 Speaker 1: the show here comes the big show that is going 1587 01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,479 Speaker 1: to beat Ryan O'Connell's I don't think so, honey, sister. 1588 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,800 Speaker 1: Are you ready, Yeah, Ryan O'Connell, this is your I 1589 01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,120 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. Okay. So 1590 01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,439 Speaker 1: I was a gay man. I feel like I have 1591 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,240 Speaker 1: to have a lot of opinions about things that I 1592 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,320 Speaker 1: do not care about. Is non consensual, and I want 1593 01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:26,840 Speaker 1: to give a list of things that you cannot talk 1594 01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,680 Speaker 1: to me about because I do not care. Okay. Number one, 1595 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,840 Speaker 1: opinions about the Cole Kidman is a patron saint for 1596 01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,960 Speaker 1: unemotional gaze, like literally like it's like, honey, it's like, 1597 01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,240 Speaker 1: if you tell me an opinion about Nicole Kidman, you 1598 01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,320 Speaker 1: have to tell me one single emotion you've had in 1599 01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,439 Speaker 1: the last five years. Little Okay, I can't. I can't. 1600 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,120 Speaker 1: It's honey, it's ice cold. I can't move it on 1601 01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,240 Speaker 1: um on Sunday, an underdog pop star. I have my 1602 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,560 Speaker 1: hands full with Skyper. I cannot deal with Colson. I can't, Okay. 1603 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,479 Speaker 1: Lady Gonda, besides Promatica and the time she got mad 1604 01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,479 Speaker 1: at her grandma for not grieving her daughter's death on camera? 1605 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:07,240 Speaker 1: Who won best warning acres one? Who one does? I 1606 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,639 Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care. Who want actual I'm sure 1607 01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,920 Speaker 1: it was someone who cares. Moving on anything that happens 1608 01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,519 Speaker 1: on Twitter, if you have a successful career in your 1609 01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:20,960 Speaker 1: still on Twitter, I'm having okay, guys named Colton or 1610 01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:26,679 Speaker 1: Mikey and that's my one. Honestly, all those things like 1611 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,479 Speaker 1: I care about on every other day. But but but 1612 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,519 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I can care about the oscars, but 1613 01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,200 Speaker 1: not whom one in seventy one best actress. I mean, 1614 01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,920 Speaker 1: it's two different deals. People take it to the extreme, 1615 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,719 Speaker 1: and my honey, like, what's like? I mean, I know, honey, 1616 01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,120 Speaker 1: first of all, if you connect with Michael Kidman, you're 1617 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,040 Speaker 1: obviously not giving emotion to begin with, because she's she's 1618 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,479 Speaker 1: she's obviously Arctic tundra. We know that. But like, but 1619 01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I like, truly, can I buy a vowel? 1620 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,040 Speaker 1: Can I buy a feeling? You know what I mean? 1621 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,679 Speaker 1: You're you're you're talking about Nicole Kidman as if she's 1622 01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:02,280 Speaker 1: January Jones, as if she's like fully stone faced in 1623 01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,240 Speaker 1: all her words. I wouldn't say she's like a warm 1624 01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,360 Speaker 1: teddy bear baby like. I mean, she modes, I feel 1625 01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,000 Speaker 1: like Nicole a mode she like has has a range 1626 01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:17,640 Speaker 1: of em but her power is in how what's the 1627 01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,720 Speaker 1: word she is? So she is extremely precious and she 1628 01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,040 Speaker 1: is like a glass doll. And that gives her steely resolve, 1629 01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:31,240 Speaker 1: It gives her authority, gives her power, it gives her like, uh, 1630 01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,479 Speaker 1: she looks like a piece of china that we're waiting 1631 01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,519 Speaker 1: to see the crack in. And there is something that 1632 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,519 Speaker 1: is not inherently emotional like that, like for example, if 1633 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,200 Speaker 1: you're if you're to examine like Reese Witherspoon. Yes, she 1634 01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,880 Speaker 1: can play like bitch, but she's also bleeding heart. Nicole 1635 01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:52,040 Speaker 1: Kidman could not play Kyle Richard. The same genre is 1636 01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,280 Speaker 1: Carol Gaze. Carol gaze, I can't engage with I don't 1637 01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,280 Speaker 1: deal with it. That movie is a glambian okay. And 1638 01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,840 Speaker 1: if you it is an absolute glambian okay. And so 1639 01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:03,800 Speaker 1: this is I don't think so honey on louis for tell, 1640 01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,320 Speaker 1: oh my god, l o l It's he a Carol 1641 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:13,000 Speaker 1: Gay number one, number one chet Gay. I can't keep track. 1642 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,320 Speaker 1: We'll tell you, who will tell you? Who want best 1643 01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:21,600 Speaker 1: supporting actress is probably sucking a guy named Colton, you know. 1644 01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,880 Speaker 1: But also Louis is a legitimate sweetie pie, so maybe 1645 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:29,160 Speaker 1: he's he's actually he's act I don't think so, honey too. Okay, 1646 01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:30,679 Speaker 1: I'm a sweetie pie. I need to be I don't 1647 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,960 Speaker 1: think so honey, all the dude a day. It's true, 1648 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,360 Speaker 1: we'll do incredible. Yeah, there's just a lot. There's a lot. 1649 01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:37,880 Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot. And I feel like 1650 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,519 Speaker 1: I need to clock into my shift at the I'm 1651 01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,320 Speaker 1: Gay store, and it's just like, oh my god, here 1652 01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,280 Speaker 1: we go, here we go. Gott to give another fucking opinion. 1653 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,240 Speaker 1: I also think that it has a lot to do 1654 01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:50,920 Speaker 1: with just like hell, you're socially conditioned to relax and 1655 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,479 Speaker 1: hang out like something I think is interesting. Sometimes are 1656 01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,840 Speaker 1: people at the same party who want to talk and 1657 01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,440 Speaker 1: people who want to like, play games or have an objective. 1658 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll be in a social situation and I won't 1659 01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:06,320 Speaker 1: understand and and sometimes when games are good, I'm in like, 1660 01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,160 Speaker 1: if we're doing games, we're doing games. But when everyone 1661 01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,800 Speaker 1: is having a nice time talking and then someone says 1662 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,599 Speaker 1: we're playing a game, I'm always like, um, who decided 1663 01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,479 Speaker 1: that we were playing a game now, and like what 1664 01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,320 Speaker 1: is the switch from socialization to game? And then I 1665 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,400 Speaker 1: realized sometimes some people just speak that language, like that's 1666 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,400 Speaker 1: how they socialize, you know what I mean. It's asking 1667 01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,360 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people to be like socially on 1668 01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,080 Speaker 1: the same page, which is you know, difficult when as 1669 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,920 Speaker 1: people age and they become more who they are and 1670 01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,960 Speaker 1: they like what they like and they kim control don't 1671 01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,080 Speaker 1: want to be anywhere for an hour where they or 1672 01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:41,720 Speaker 1: not having a good time, you know what I mean. 1673 01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,080 Speaker 1: But I think it's I think it's mostly healing because 1674 01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,479 Speaker 1: I think at first I was intimidated and now I 1675 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,880 Speaker 1: feel it feel good. I don't know why. I'm like, 1676 01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm unpacking all this it's fnt 1677 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,200 Speaker 1: of you good whatever. Now I like it, like that 1678 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:54,639 Speaker 1: we're doing I like that we're doing that. Well, that's 1679 01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,719 Speaker 1: the thing to see. Like. I also realized, like I'm 1680 01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,719 Speaker 1: a shower, not a grower, like you know what I mean, anything, 1681 01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,760 Speaker 1: some people are growers and not showers, and I have 1682 01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,680 Speaker 1: to like understand that and not perceive that as like 1683 01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,679 Speaker 1: coldness or like everyone's different and everyone everyone reveals themselves 1684 01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:12,600 Speaker 1: in different ways. It's not necessarily a slight or a 1685 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,000 Speaker 1: personal thing and just is everyone's wired differently, you know 1686 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:20,559 Speaker 1: what I mean? Absolutely one and listen if you want 1687 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,559 Speaker 1: to see more insights into a queer company. One of 1688 01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:28,280 Speaker 1: the most incredible shows you could watch in the coming 1689 01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,120 Speaker 1: weeks and months ahead is Cheer as Folk, which is 1690 01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,719 Speaker 1: literally on Peacock on June nine, and two days prior 1691 01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,120 Speaker 1: to that is the release of Truly Ryan What I'm What. 1692 01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm a really great, great, great, great read. I'm so like, 1693 01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,520 Speaker 1: you really are such a great evocative writer. You're so funny, 1694 01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,599 Speaker 1: and I mean, like, I just like I see myself 1695 01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,320 Speaker 1: on every page and like, you know, it's like very 1696 01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:56,519 Speaker 1: universal as well, like and so all my compliments to 1697 01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,080 Speaker 1: this fucking chef on this one just by looking at him. 1698 01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,439 Speaker 1: In June seven, thank you so much, thank you for 1699 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,439 Speaker 1: having me. Oh my god, we had the most lovely time. 1700 01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,439 Speaker 1: And Bowen Yang. We end every episode with a damn song. 1701 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:21,479 Speaker 1: Treat me like slug, Teachers, pet honestly magic, treat me 1702 01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:27,840 Speaker 1: like a slug. I'm a dirty bitch, I love dirty bitch. 1703 01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:35,720 Speaker 1: I love to fuck teacher's pride teachers to most of 1704 01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,000 Speaker 1: these songs for me, look out of the artist Kim 1705 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:43,799 Speaker 1: Patricks for me watch waiting for Gusman starting Carker Posey 1706 01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,640 Speaker 1: Bye bye,