WEBVTT - DHS' Child Border Agents & Civilian Paramilitaries

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<v Speaker 1>Alone media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to it, kidap to hear a podcast about ice

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<v Speaker 2>training desk squads. I guess I'm your host via Wong.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't know if formerly or better is

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<v Speaker 2>the correct word, but sometimes also not as the ice

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<v Speaker 2>was be destroyed. Girl, So I'm mad about this one

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<v Speaker 2>with me? Is someone else's extremely bad about the existence

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<v Speaker 2>of ice, which is James Yep, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm mad as a waste. I guess, just another Monday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this shit sucks, This does suck. Yeah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>had this realization.

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<v Speaker 2>I get this on Twitter a lot, where I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that there are people who don't know what ICE is

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<v Speaker 2>because they're like, they're not from the US, or they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so ICE is immigrations and customs enforcements. The shortest description

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<v Speaker 2>of what they are is that they are one of

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<v Speaker 2>the like four American border gestapos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The number of agencies under DHS is fucking baffling.

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<v Speaker 3>They're constantly rebranding every time they have a scandal or

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<v Speaker 3>they kill too many people. That, yeah, ice is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of their flagship evil program.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they like they do raids on fucking houses,

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<v Speaker 2>they do raised on businesses, They suck. Like if you

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<v Speaker 2>vaguely remember, there was a whole bunch of protests in

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty eighteen over this stuff, and that was mostly

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<v Speaker 2>anti ICE stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if someone's getting deported, it's ICE for the most

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<v Speaker 3>part doing it. Like Yeah, they also run detention centers

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<v Speaker 3>where people go, you know, they work with Jeff Bezos

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<v Speaker 3>on deporting people.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my fucking god. Okay, I just remembered a story

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<v Speaker 2>I had. I had a flashback to standing in a protest,

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<v Speaker 2>a very very large protest in twenty eighteen. This is

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<v Speaker 2>one of like the big pro immigrant rallies. And in

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<v Speaker 2>this fucking protest, I saw a thing for this group

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<v Speaker 2>called Heartland Alliance. Now pro people who probably don't outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Chicago probably don't know what this is. The Heartland

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<v Speaker 2>Alliance runs like fucking child prisons facilities like for ICE school,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were at this protest against ICE. Fucking it

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<v Speaker 2>was the worst. That shit was terrible. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is all extremely bad. But what we've been

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<v Speaker 2>learning more details about recently is this program called Citizens Academies,

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<v Speaker 2>which is run by ICE's Homeland Security Investigations. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think HSI was under ICE. I thought HSI was a

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<v Speaker 2>different branch of DHS. I might be wrong, but they

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<v Speaker 2>used to be under ICE as far as I know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they became HSI. Okay, I might be wrong

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<v Speaker 2>about that because the stuff that I was reading was

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<v Speaker 2>saying that they are still part of ICE, but they

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<v Speaker 2>might not be. It's also possible that it's literally has

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<v Speaker 2>gone back and forward multiple times in the last Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is merecrareck. Things fucking suck, But HSI also does,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the times, there's some of the

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<v Speaker 2>people who like do like physically the people on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground doing a raid will be HSI, like fucking stormtroopers whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they do arrests.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, often they appear in like these joint counter terrorism

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<v Speaker 3>task forces, like when they especially when they're doing stuff

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<v Speaker 3>with like drugs and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the civilian academies are I think really the only

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<v Speaker 2>way you can describe them, even though this is not

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<v Speaker 2>how it's being described, really is that they're treating random

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<v Speaker 2>people to like become desk what.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It's what's interesting is like the protest that you

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<v Speaker 3>talked about seem to have been the sort of reason

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<v Speaker 3>that they started this program, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we need to rewind this a little bit because

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<v Speaker 2>they started in the US as a reaction to those protests,

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<v Speaker 2>like specifically as like a pr thing. But the original

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<v Speaker 2>version of these programs started in Puerto Rico under Obama.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, we don't give Obama or anything like enough shit, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like fucking Obama just like in terms of killing people,

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of deporting people, fucked up human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was the deporter in chief and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>part of what's sort of brutal about the mom administration

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<v Speaker 2>is like a lot of his support had been from

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<v Speaker 2>like the huge undocumented that could have like peaked in

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<v Speaker 2>like two thousand and six, and he comes in on

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<v Speaker 2>this and they just fucking deports everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as Democrats too every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're seeing it again with Biden. Right, It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same sort of process. And under under Obama

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<v Speaker 2>these these programs start. There's specifically, as you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>there's specifically supposed to be these like training programs are

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be for community.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, so this is and this is one of

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<v Speaker 3>these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like this is what they say that it's for,

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<v Speaker 2>and given what they're doing, I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 2>I believe them what they're what they say that it's

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<v Speaker 2>for is it's because there's been all of these anti

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<v Speaker 2>ICE things, Like, I mean, there's lots of people who

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<v Speaker 2>now are like, don't say shit about ice, who like, like,

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<v Speaker 2>AOC hasn't fucking said anything about abolishing ICE in like

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<v Speaker 2>half a decade, right, and she ran on that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because of how powerful those social movements were. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like Sean mcguey whatever the fuck guy whose whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing was abolish ice and then he became a Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>staffer and now it never talks about it again, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like my absolute wordal nemesis, like I will face

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of days. Yeah, I will destroy his

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<v Speaker 2>fucking traitors ass and yeah, many many, many such cases.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Like, and I think probably peak like anti

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<v Speaker 2>ice sentiment was in the Trump era, right when people, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>people started to look at immigration as the way that

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<v Speaker 2>like people have immigrant communities and diasporas see it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is this thing that tears families apart, that destroys communities,

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<v Speaker 2>that rich children from their parents, and people obviously recognized

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<v Speaker 2>it was bad. And then Biden got in and the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats had to do this like kind of cover your

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<v Speaker 2>eyes and turn away thing where they continue to do

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<v Speaker 2>the same shit. Kids and cages are good now, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah in cages great democratic kids and cage is incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>What if no cage is? What do we just leave

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<v Speaker 3>them out in the fucking mountains and James's friend have

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<v Speaker 3>to feed them beans will winter?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But the thing is, in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not entirely clear that the Democrats are going to

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<v Speaker 2>swing that way. No, And so you get these programs

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<v Speaker 2>and what's interesting about them, and so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>this is coming from that. There's a very very good

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<v Speaker 2>piece by Barrizio Guerrero indocumented who got a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>Foya documents about this program and what they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were actually doing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that he discovers about this

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's like a lot of rich guys. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's some of them are like really rich. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of like bank employees.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. That was a funny almost, I guess kind of

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<v Speaker 3>it got through that little social circle or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like there's this sort of feed in program

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<v Speaker 2>that sends people into this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I actually I realized I had.

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<v Speaker 2>Vaguely known about these but didn't quite understand how bad

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<v Speaker 2>it was because he didn't have a bunch of the

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<v Speaker 2>documents we have now. But this was a big thing

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago in twenty twenty one, where there was proposed

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<v Speaker 2>to open one of these things. It's like these like

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<v Speaker 2>training centers for these like fucking people. Oh yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty twenty one was still in Chicago. There

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<v Speaker 2>was still like like there's some protest stuff going on

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean there's you know, like twenty twenty hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite faded yet. And there was also like our cops

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about this a couple times on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but like shot a fucking fourteen year old, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fucking murdered him cold blood. And the protests were

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<v Speaker 2>bad enough that like even lower Lightfoot was like like

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<v Speaker 2>fuck this, like this is this Trump ice stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>We can't let them do it.

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<v Speaker 2>This was back with the when like these people like

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats were started pretending that they didn't like all

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<v Speaker 2>of these like federal deportation machine things. But the things

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<v Speaker 2>that we have now are we have the actual this

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<v Speaker 2>is like I think were the public most valuable part

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<v Speaker 2>of this whole thing is that we actually have a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of the documents now of what they were showing people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd love to see the fucking Foyer fight for

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<v Speaker 3>this because I have foyed the Department of Homeland Security

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<v Speaker 3>a lot and getting any Like I have a fire

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<v Speaker 3>out right now regarding the CBP one and the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that it doesn't work on non Apple phones, and they

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<v Speaker 3>very clearly know this, right like, if I know it,

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<v Speaker 3>they know it, And I would love to know if

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<v Speaker 3>that was from the outset that they knew and they

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't give a fuck, Like I would like to

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<v Speaker 3>see those emails regarding it doesn't work on Samsung. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think they got it from a court order.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, so they went to court to get Yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>every like people, Freedom Information Act is great. It only

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<v Speaker 3>works if you have a lawyer who's prepared to sue

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<v Speaker 3>over it like that is the especially with DHS. You're

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<v Speaker 3>just not like, yeah, I've got stuff, so I found

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty. They'll just kick it down, kick can

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<v Speaker 3>down the road, like yep, I'm not going to get it,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, kudos to them for doing it. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>so hard if you are a First Amendment lawyer, hit

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<v Speaker 3>me up. But okay, the ship that's in this one

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<v Speaker 3>of these things. The first page of this is maybe

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<v Speaker 3>the most deranged chart I have ever seen in anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is it is It is.

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<v Speaker 2>A picture of a naked human body, is the friends

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<v Speaker 2>and back of it, right, And they've labeled all of

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<v Speaker 2>the parts of the body by and they've been so

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<v Speaker 2>we only have a black and white version of this,

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<v Speaker 2>but they've they've been they've been labeled by how effective

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<v Speaker 2>it is to hit someone there with the baton?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And they're like green in the in the

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<v Speaker 3>actual document, they're green, yellow, and red. I guess, uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it says like reasoning for the red one,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just read it highest level of resultant trauma injury

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<v Speaker 3>tends to range from serious to lung lasting rather than temporary,

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<v Speaker 3>and may include unconsciousness, serious body injury, shock, or death.

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess like it's saying like, don't hit them

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<v Speaker 3>in the in the in the red area. No, that's

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<v Speaker 3>the thing. That's the thing. They're not saying that, They're

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<v Speaker 3>just saying, these are your options.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Is so part of this is supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>part of like a force escalation thing. But the point

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<v Speaker 2>of this is that it is actually like they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to explain force escalation, and the thing is that like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you actually can do this, but you can only do

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<v Speaker 2>this if you're in like the highest level of force

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<v Speaker 2>escalation or whatever. Okay, and if any of you have

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<v Speaker 2>ever been around a cop, you know, but those people

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<v Speaker 2>jump to the highest level of force escalation at like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking again, we have literally seen an acorn drop

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<v Speaker 2>and it can't be able to do this, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>so and so what they're what they're teaching these people,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is like I think, like Jenny widely horrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Teaching these people like the specific technical details of how

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<v Speaker 2>you like fucking maim someone with a baton.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I meant to reading the force escalation this is

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<v Speaker 3>and they actually did physical training right, like I think

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<v Speaker 3>they did weapons training. I think they did a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of a bunch of simulation kind of exercises. And then

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<v Speaker 3>if you if you scroll down, this is like a

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<v Speaker 3>PowerPoint for those listening at home. They gave an overview

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<v Speaker 3>of like use of force to include a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>Supreme Court cases. I think that Supreme Court cases is

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<v Speaker 3>certainly yeah, Supreme court cases about use of force. None

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<v Speaker 3>of these apply to you as a civilian, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like unless you're a sworn law enforcement officer, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not entirely sure like what the use case for

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<v Speaker 3>civilian baton training is aside from like well, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>my guess.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the way I've been like sort of

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<v Speaker 2>looking at this program is that this is the thing

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<v Speaker 2>partially being designed for PR, but it's partially also being

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<v Speaker 2>designed to create parabilitaries that if you're in a situation

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty twenty but about the border, for example, you

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly have all of these people that you could just

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<v Speaker 2>fucking call up because like part of what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with this too record you remember, like actually, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it is, funnily enough, like we are we are the

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<v Speaker 2>only two of the four hosts who didn't end up

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<v Speaker 2>having to deal with fucking Bortak getting deployed in Portland

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty. But Bortak is border patrols like swat teams. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>basically yeah, there are stated reason is like, oh, so

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<v Speaker 2>this is this so you understand what it's like to

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<v Speaker 2>like be one of these people, how hot it is

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<v Speaker 2>to be a cop and well, like I think the

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<v Speaker 2>actual reason again is so that you could you're training

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people who you can just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>call up and be like, we need a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>people to come like fucking obliterate a bunch of like

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<v Speaker 2>protesters or whatever, help them do mass deportations. Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 2>is another thing because like part of what this is

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<v Speaker 2>too is they're teaching them to do like raids on houses, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and like how do how do like physically fucking deport people?

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<v Speaker 3>So this is yeah, like like Trump era ICE, which

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<v Speaker 3>were where there were open discussions of how many people

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<v Speaker 3>can we deport, how much will it cost, how easy

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<v Speaker 3>will it be?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like right now, like Trump is like his

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<v Speaker 2>big one of his big things is mass deportations. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think people don't realize that the only reason that

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff didn't happen under Trump was that pushback to

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<v Speaker 2>it was so enormous. Yeah, that like like there are

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<v Speaker 2>democrats now who are screaming about the border, who in

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty eighteen were like sanctuary cities, ICE can't do

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<v Speaker 2>raids here, and sometimes which were sometimes that wasn't Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but like there was real systemic pushback to this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think like we're heading to a place where there

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a kind of reaction to this anymore, where this

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<v Speaker 2>can get really really scary really quickly. And these are

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<v Speaker 2>the kinds of programs that you would need in order

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<v Speaker 2>to just do actual master importations. Is that like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like Ice doesn't have enough people, Like they have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people, but they don't have enough people to

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<v Speaker 2>deport like several million people.

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<v Speaker 3>You need people like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the scale of this program is kind of small,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is something that can be scaled up right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>To try and extremely large numbers of people, like fairly quickly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, it reminds me of Maya products and

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<v Speaker 3>services and support this podcast does. Yeah, all right, I

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<v Speaker 3>hope you enjoyed this. Products and seven suits way back.

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<v Speaker 3>We let's go do like the other thing they were

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<v Speaker 3>fucking doing. Oh yeah, it's more Jesus wept. So I

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<v Speaker 3>want to quote from the article, yeah. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Documents also contain presentations on how to shoot a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>point at targets, and stand in position to fire. The

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<v Speaker 2>shooting practices include military style of rifles likewise, A training

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<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta organized drills to shoot at human like manikers

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<v Speaker 2>and fires M four assault rifles employed exclusively with the military.

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<v Speaker 3>The training.

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<v Speaker 2>Also included isis guidelines for use of force encompassing deadly force.

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<v Speaker 2>One presentation suggests yelling drop the gun as potential cover

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<v Speaker 2>when employing lethal force against someone. So they're telling it

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<v Speaker 2>and this is definitely supposed to be thinking like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in playing clothes, like you fucking yell police

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<v Speaker 2>and yell drop your gun, and then you shoot them,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is how you get away with it. So

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<v Speaker 2>like they are straight up teaching people how to murder people,

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<v Speaker 2>like how to get away with murder.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's happening here. Yeah, wild Yeah, Like the government's

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<v Speaker 3>offered firearms trading for civilians, Like that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 3>the NRA wasn't a government initiative. But yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 3>not that. This is not like, No, I would broadly

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<v Speaker 3>be in favor of the government funding free gun safety

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<v Speaker 3>classes for people, because I've seen some shit with you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like that would be one of the useful things. But

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<v Speaker 3>this is not that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And like and like the reason those specific classes

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<v Speaker 2>like don't look like that anymore is because and I've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this in some of the episodes on them, okay, assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, yeah, when the government taught a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of people how to use rifles, those people use those

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<v Speaker 2>rifles to like fight the cops in the streets. Yeah right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they're all this insane shit. That's like teaching

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<v Speaker 2>people how to get away with murder of their cop. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to read a power point slide from that

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<v Speaker 2>from that thing, because it's it's the most deranged thing

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you read the Graham versus Connor one, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the more powerful uses of passive voice I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever seen. Oh no, I haven't seen that yet. Let

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<v Speaker 3>me read that while you look for yours. This one

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<v Speaker 3>is just incredible instance of cops speak. Graham comma diabetic.

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<v Speaker 3>Comma asks friend to drive him to convenience store for

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<v Speaker 3>juice good like cops sent is here, ran in and

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<v Speaker 3>out of store. Comma also observed the suspicious activity. What

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<v Speaker 3>suspicious activity, dear listener, I don't know. We're left to imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Investigative stopped made and Graham was handcuffed by whom doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>say weird. Graham receives multiple injuries during the encounter with police.

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<v Speaker 3>Like someone gave him the fucking injuries? Was it the cop?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just an incredible use of passive voice here throughout. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this great tweet that was like the US has

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<v Speaker 2>a passive voice, in an active voice, and a special

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<v Speaker 2>exonerative voice.

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<v Speaker 3>It's only used for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Israel gets the exiterative voice.

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<v Speaker 3>It rails in the greater cop nation. Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And like also, one of the things that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think people understand on the Streme Court is like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you think that like Supreme Court rulings about abortions are bad,

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<v Speaker 2>like then they are right. But like, if you think

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<v Speaker 2>those things are bad, look up the Supreme Court cases

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<v Speaker 2>about police use of force. You will get you will

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<v Speaker 2>get nine O decisions with like all of like fucking

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<v Speaker 2>like like fucking Thurgood Marshall will be signing on to

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<v Speaker 2>like a nine O thing where he says that cops

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<v Speaker 2>have the right to just like shoot you in the

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<v Speaker 2>back of the head because they couldn't shoot you in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the head like that the police couldn't function.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's fucking dranged, like the kind of shit they have. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to read I want to read the slide

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<v Speaker 2>because it's it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a giant letters.

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<v Speaker 2>It says survival, and then there's like bullet points, and

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<v Speaker 2>the bullet points are never give up, never concede defeat.

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<v Speaker 2>I will not die this way. I must go home

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<v Speaker 2>to my family. How you trade is how you will fight.

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<v Speaker 3>Just imagining that the you know, the person who I

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<v Speaker 3>go to at the bank when I need to take

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<v Speaker 3>out large amounts of cash to go on one of

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<v Speaker 3>my work trips, learning that I will not die this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that that that's basically what I have about

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<v Speaker 2>this program, other than the bleak note that on on

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<v Speaker 2>a pr level, of these people one right, they they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't win because of anything they did. They won because

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats decided that they fucking hated immigrants, and because

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<v Speaker 2>views of integration are largely driven by by party politics,

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<v Speaker 2>are driven by what your party tells you about immigrants, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all the support that had been built in the late

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<v Speaker 2>twenty tens has evaporated.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, even like I did a thing for my

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<v Speaker 3>Patreon yesterday then made me think of this, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>was trying to just do a sort of listing of

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden's immigration policies, right, from twenty twenty one to present,

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<v Speaker 3>and like twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, I was

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<v Speaker 3>selling stories to NBC, to slate to the nation right

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<v Speaker 3>about Haitian migration, about Title forty two, about remain in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 3>about especial immigrant visas for Afghans, And after twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two you don't even get a response to your email.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the same shit keeps having with twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>three is the end of Title forty two, right, So

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<v Speaker 3>when we see the beginning of out door detention, arguably

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<v Speaker 3>the most heinous shit that the Biden administration has done,

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<v Speaker 3>it's that's some pretty heanish shit. I mean, genocide is worse, evidently,

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<v Speaker 3>but on the on the border, this is the worst. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>some of its worst domestic policy. And you just can't

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<v Speaker 3>tell stories. Literally every time I post about this on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 3>people will be like, what the fuck? Why didn't I

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<v Speaker 3>read about this? Because an editor made a choice that

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't matter, that the people out there in the

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<v Speaker 3>cold and the wind at the rain didn't matter, and

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<v Speaker 3>that they don't have rights because aoc or Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 3>Orkamala Harris decided that that was how it was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be and apparently every corporate media outlet just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of stepped in line and went, yeah, fucking we don't

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<v Speaker 3>care anymore. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've achieved their stated aim and they're not moving

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<v Speaker 2>on to their unstated aim, which is mass deportations.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything I know about the program that you were about

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about comes from you, and that is oh boy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not good.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So I'm going to read you a small

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<v Speaker 3>story here, and then we're going to talk about whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not it's a good idea for the Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 3>to have programs for children. Okay, and then I gave

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<v Speaker 3>a content warning for sexual assault of children. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>in kiitch. You don't want to listen to this. In

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<v Speaker 3>August of this year, Aaron Mitchell, a former CBP agent,

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<v Speaker 3>was found guilty of a federal civil rights violation and

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<v Speaker 3>also kidnapping. On April the twenty fifth, twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 3>in Douglas, Arizona, Mitchell found a fifteen year old girl

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<v Speaker 3>waiting for school to begin. And for this next part,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to read directly from the Department of

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<v Speaker 3>Justice presser. He introduced himself as a law enforcement officer

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<v Speaker 3>and asked for her papers. Next, after flashing his police

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<v Speaker 3>badge and credentials, Mitchell ordered the child into his car

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<v Speaker 3>and explained that he was taking her to the police station. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>Mitchell drove the car miles away from her school, pulled over,

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<v Speaker 3>and restrained her hands and feet with two pairs of handcuffs.

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<v Speaker 3>The victim testified that after being handcuffs to defend it

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<v Speaker 3>and told her to do everything he said because he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to have to hurt her. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to describe an nextpy in detail. He repeatedly sexually assaulted

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<v Speaker 3>this young women fucking christ in his apartment, then returned

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<v Speaker 3>her to the middle school where he had abducted her,

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<v Speaker 3>and reminded her not to tell anyone. Fortunately, she immediately

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<v Speaker 3>reported the abduction to her friends, family members, and multiple

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement agencies. During an interview with the police, a

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<v Speaker 3>defendant exclaim exclaimed that the victim had better hope I

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<v Speaker 3>don't get out of here, which is an insane thing

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<v Speaker 3>to say when you're being interviewed by the police. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He also googled several times for how long does it

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<v Speaker 3>take to smug someone? And he googled a lot about

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<v Speaker 3>sexual assault, how to stop someone from screaming. It's some

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<v Speaker 3>of the darkest shit fuck you're ever going to read. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god. This is one of the relatively few

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<v Speaker 3>instances of a Border Patrol agent actually being convicted of

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<v Speaker 3>sexual assault. Sexual assault is a massive fucking problem in

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<v Speaker 3>the Border Patrol, and the fact that it's such a

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<v Speaker 3>big problem and people get away with it is why

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<v Speaker 3>we get shit that is horrific, Like the incident that

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<v Speaker 3>I've just related to you right in twenty nineteen. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if you remember this, but there was a

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<v Speaker 3>pro publicer thing about this Facebook group which had nine

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred agents in it. The Facebook group they proted

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<v Speaker 3>videos of migrant desks, their children, and rape fantasies, as

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<v Speaker 3>well as doctored images, including ghost images of AFC. At

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<v Speaker 3>the time, Karla provosd, the Border Patrol chief, condemned the

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<v Speaker 3>group as inappropriate. Shortly thereafter, the insect reveal that she

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<v Speaker 3>had been a member of it for years. Yep, just classics,

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<v Speaker 3>dove right. Border Patrol has consistently failed to hold its

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<v Speaker 3>offices to account for rape. Like if you want to

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<v Speaker 3>read more about this, Jen Bud, She's been on the

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<v Speaker 3>show before is the person to go to about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also going to include in the show notes links

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<v Speaker 3>to a story about a Border Patrol agent who was

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<v Speaker 3>sexually assaulted at the academy, which I know is as

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<v Speaker 3>a thing that is not unique to her. This is

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 3>this is a problem. Border Patrol is ninety five percent

0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.439
<v Speaker 3>male at this point. They call the women the fierce

0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:13.439
<v Speaker 3>five percent. But it's like it's probably the most like

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 3>gender biased of the federal agencies. Like Border Patrol agents

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 3>by and large, like do not do well around women.

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.119
<v Speaker 3>This is something I've observed, this is something other volunteers

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:27.400
<v Speaker 3>have observed, Like it's such a like masculine agency, I guess,

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.960
<v Speaker 3>and they just don't encounter women in a professional capacity

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.960
<v Speaker 3>very often. So I think with this in mind, I

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about the Border Patrol Explorers, Right. It's

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 3>a youth program that teaches kids the skills of a

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 3>patrol agent from as young as forty fucking crust. Yeah,

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 3>what's really weird. There's been very little coverage. The two

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:50.720
<v Speaker 3>places I would send people these will be in the notes,

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 3>would be Morley Music Write a really good piece in

0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:56.920
<v Speaker 3>the Nation, and Todd Miller's book Border Patrol Nation, which

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.399
<v Speaker 3>is a book that everyone should read. I think really

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 3>like detail is the beginning of how border patrol became

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 3>what it is today. Those are really two of the

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.399
<v Speaker 3>very few places you'd read about it. The training that

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 3>they do is insane. They'll learn firearms drills, they learn

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 3>to do checkpoints, they learned to make arrests. I'm going

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.400
<v Speaker 3>to read from an interview from Monie Music's piece, Fabian

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:23.479
<v Speaker 3>explained why his posts would practice shooting sometimes, and then

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:27.640
<v Speaker 3>this is like parentheses. Undocumented migrants are not compliant when

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 3>we find them. He said, they paid all this money

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.439
<v Speaker 3>to get here to start another life. They're just not

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 3>going to give up when they see us. Some would

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 3>fight back, some would be compliant. Maybe they tried to

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.359
<v Speaker 3>kill you or threaten you. Sometimes they pick up an

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.879
<v Speaker 3>element a rock lying around anything, and that could be

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 3>used to kill you. This is not the stuff that

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.640
<v Speaker 3>fourteen year olds should be reckoning with, right.

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This is also like I know people have done

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the like connect the border to Palestine things so much

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:58.240
<v Speaker 2>that it's like hackneyed, but like that is straight up

0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 2>that could be lifted from a press release, like from

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.919
<v Speaker 2>the idea yeah yeah about why they shot someone yeah,

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, yeah, I mean, you shouldn't be teaching

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>anyone this, You especially shouldn't be teaching fourteen year olds. Yeah,

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:12.400
<v Speaker 2>that someone might throw a rock at them, and that's

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.160
<v Speaker 2>a reasonable way people had a gun and shoot them. Yeah.

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Like if you back that into your mind at fourteen,

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.160
<v Speaker 3>I would argue that makes you very unsuitable to carry

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:22.160
<v Speaker 3>a gun in public. Later in life. Kids start out

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 3>by doing this kind of boot camp style academy and

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 3>then they pretty much begin doing stuff like drill PT

0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 3>they practice, conducting vehicle stops and tracking Border Patrol. On

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.680
<v Speaker 3>their website, they claim to have more than seven hundred Explorers,

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 3>but over twenty eight posts around the country. It's very

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>hard to find anything about them. Like, it's not something

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:44.919
<v Speaker 3>that they talk about a great deal. You have to

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 3>sort of apply. I looked at how one would apply.

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 3>It's one in Santa Sedra, Right. You sort of fill

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 3>out this form and you get some kind of clearance

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.440
<v Speaker 3>and then I'm guessing they're checking that people are eligible

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 3>to be like hied by Border Patrol. Right, But if

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 3>there is data on how many of these kids go

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 3>on to be hired by BP, I haven't found it,

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 3>but I did find one. I think this is again

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 3>from Morley Music's piece when extremely amusing incident the Douglas

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Arizona chapters. The Explorers teamed up with a local high

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 3>school drama club and they had the kids playing migrants. Yeah,

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, many of these people will themselves be like

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 3>first generation or like a.

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Wild Anyway, the country cannot be allowed to continue.

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Imagine, like, what are we doing at school today? The

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 3>theater kids are going to get arrested by the border

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 3>patrol kids. Jesus Christ. Some of the theater kids got

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 3>really into character. One of them cried. I guess several

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 3>of them managed to avoid arrest and give the young

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 3>agents the slip, and then they got told by the

0:26:56.160 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 3>agents overseeing the exercise that they've done it wrong because

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:03.959
<v Speaker 3>they'd outsmarted the junior gobs.

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 2>There's a story I can't remember what fucking town it

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>was in like the fifties that the Army was running

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>these like infiltration drills where they would like have a

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.160
<v Speaker 2>town and they talk to people to town. They'd be like, Okay,

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna like unleash like a communist diversive agent into

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 2>the town, and then you're gonna help the army capture them,

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and it said, what happens, everyone has hit the agent

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>because I just had a great time like stuff.

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is the American spirit. It's it's the people

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 3>of dug this Arizona. We salute you. One of the

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 3>things I found really interesting in in the morning music

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 3>piece was this idea of like defensive asylum only being

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 3>for criminals. So it seems like the students learned this

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:47.160
<v Speaker 3>very binary immigration law. Where defensive asylum, which is when

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 3>you claim asylum as a defense against being deported, Yeah,

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 3>it's only for people who are criminals versus affirmative asylum.

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 3>It's for the people who like really need it or whatever.

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 3>We fast forward making an affirmative asylum claims extremely difficult

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 3>right now. Yeah, you know, I spoke to one hundred

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 3>people who wanted to come to this country in the Darien.

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 3>Every single one of those people told me that they

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 3>wanted to use CBP one, that they wanted to do

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 3>it the correct way, that they wanted to wait their

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 3>turn and do an interview. But like every single one

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 3>of those people is now reckoning with the fact that

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 3>if they can make CVP wan work on their phone,

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.959
<v Speaker 3>they will wake eight or nine months in Mexico. That

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 3>is not a safe place if you're a woman on

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 3>your own, God forbid, if you're a trans woman or

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 3>a gay person like aside from like within certain communities,

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 3>it's not a safe place. I think Mexico is the

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 3>second highest rate of killings of trans people anywhere in

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 3>the world. Yeah, I think Brazil is maybe more. Yeah,

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 3>bort I think is the highest. I don't know if

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 3>that's like raw numbers because Brazil is a bigger country,

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>or if it's like stags the population.

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my memory is that it's the rate, But I'm

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 2>not harm so sure either way that people who are.

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Coming to be safe or not to be in a

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 3>place where they're in danger, that is what they face,

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 3>right And so undoubtedly some of those people who wanted

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 3>to come the right way will cross between ports of entry,

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 3>they will surrender themselves to border patrol, and if they

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 3>get a chance to file for asylum at all, because

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 3>it's it's a shout test now, But there are numerous

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 3>incidents that I've seen described in court cases of people

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 3>doing what sounds to me like asserting an asylum claim

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 3>and not having a chance to then make their case.

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 3>If they do at all, it'll be defensive asylum, right.

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 3>And these are the people who are like textbook asylum places,

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, like I am a trans person in a

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 3>place where that might well be punishable by death, de

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 3>facto of du jure right. I am a political dissident

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 3>in a country where my political views would be a

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 3>reason to kill me. I am a woman from Iran

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 3>who doesn't wear hijab, nicab whatever, you know, Like these

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 3>are like why asylum exists. There are lots of people

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 3>who deserve a help who are not covered by these

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 3>little buckets. We put people in to for asylum, but

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 3>even people who are who falls slap in the middle

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 3>of what your average Midwestern liberal dad would be like, Yeah,

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 3>that's an asylum case. We should help that person. Yeah,

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 3>they have to come in. They fare the defense of asylum,

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 3>and that's what we're teaching. I guess these border patrol

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 3>kids that these are the quite unquite bad guys, and

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 3>they're not. And yeah, they they're doing this sort of

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 3>twenty eight posts. It's just one. I read a terrible

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 3>account of a young woman who was sexually abused by

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 3>a cop in a police Explorer program. Like these Explorer

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 3>programs go all across law enforcement. They are administered by

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.959
<v Speaker 3>the Boy Scouts of America. They have a serious problem

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 3>with abuse of young people as serious problem, and it

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 3>seems like it's not getting I mean, it does get

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 3>some coverage, like this, this piece about the agent in

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 3>Douglas got some coverage, right, the piece about this this cop.

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 3>But like, I mean, look at this country. We still

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 3>have the Catholic Church. Just because people abuse kids doesn't

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 3>mean they get shut down. But like, yeah, I don't,

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 3>don't don't send your kids. I guess you're listening to this.

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 3>You're quite unlikely to send your kids to be junior cops.

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 3>But like, I get young people living in small towns

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 3>on the border who don't have many economic opportunities. I

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 3>know those towns. I spend a lot of time in

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 3>those towns. And I get that the guys who joined

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Border Patrol, they have big trucks, they have nice houses, right,

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 3>that it's one of the few areas of economic opportunity.

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 3>I get that none of that is worth having your

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 3>kid abused. And like I'm not saying that, of course

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 3>all of these programs resulting child abuse, they don't. But

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 3>like law Enforcement Explorer programs absolutely have a problem with

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 3>child abuse.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yeah, there was a whole thing in like

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years about this happening in tension

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>facilities in Chicago or intention facilities, things that were supposed

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>to be like now figurant housing, and that got reported. Yeah, weirdly. Weirdly,

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the Chicago proces has actually been pretty good on immigration stuff.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 2>But it's literally solely because they hate Brandon Johnson, and

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Brandon Johnson's the one running it. Because of this, we've

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 2>actually gotten a bunch of good good reporting that accident. Yeah, yeah,

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 2>in many such cases. But yeah, like the culture of

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>border patrol is not one that you want to.

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Be introducing your child too. Yeah, absolutely not. You know,

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 3>I would really encourage people to read Todd's book Border

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 3>Patrol Nation, like he talks about this use of They

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 3>invented a new slur, which you know, is cool. Good

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 3>for them for expanding the English language. I guess they

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 3>call people tonks. Oh yeah, yeah, some noise that makes

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>when you hit someone on the head with your torch

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 3>your flashlight. Yeah yeah, just really great stuff. Some of

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 3>the worst people who've ever lived. Yeah, don't don't volunteer

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 3>to be a cop. Don't do it for money either,

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Like that's what I got for you. Yeah, yeah, I

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 3>think that's all we've got for today. Yeah. Shit fucking sucks.

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>We gave you, We gave you some less depressing episodes,

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, now we're back ruin your week. Actually, I

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>could promise. I could promise tomorrow's episode is going to

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 2>be a lot writer for this one. Yeah, come back

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:04.959
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow to be less horribly depressed.

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got nothing good for you coming up for

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 3>the near future. To be honest, I'm rite. I think

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 3>about the Darien Gap and having to take little walks outside. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 3>get for a walk.

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