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Speaker 1: The best wireless headphones according to Wirecutter. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: I'm Rich Damiro. This is Rich on Tech and with

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Speaker 1: me today is Lauren Dragon. She is an editor at

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Speaker 1: a senior staff writer senior staff writer at Wirecutter. And

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Speaker 1: this is a great website Wirecutter. If you're not familiar

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Speaker 1: with it, it's kind of like the reviews website to end

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Speaker 1: all reviews websites. They basically test out a lot of

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Speaker 1: products and come up with not just one perfect product,

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Speaker 1: but kind of good products for what your needs are. Yes, So, Lauren,

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Speaker 1: tell me about you test headphones for a living, for

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Speaker 1: a living full time.

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Speaker 2: Despite what my mother might tell you, it's a real job.

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Speaker 1: So just all day, every day, all day every day.

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Speaker 2: So that's all I do is essentially I get in

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of headphones, I try them out, I

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Speaker 2: get a panel to listen to them. We do things

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Speaker 2: like sweat testing and run testing and durability testing, and

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Speaker 2: from there we kind of try to find the best

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Speaker 2: thing that fit people's needs and make their lives easier.

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Speaker 1: And what gives you this right to review headphones? You

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Speaker 1: have a pretty good history with audio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a pretty big audio background. I have

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Speaker 2: a bachelor's degree in music performance and audio production, and

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Speaker 2: then I went into radio for a few years, and

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Speaker 2: then I went into voiceover for a while. So I've

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Speaker 2: been in and out of professional recording booths and studios

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Speaker 2: and seeing what professionals are using. And then I started

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Speaker 2: writing Oh Gosh about like ten plus years ago for

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Speaker 2: Sound and Vision and other audio review sites and web

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Speaker 2: and magazines. And then from there Wirecutter came out about

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Speaker 2: five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now I give my explanation a Wirecutter, you want

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Speaker 1: to add yours.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, we find the stuff that fits best into your

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Speaker 2: life to help you do things easier and make your

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Speaker 2: life better. So you know, it may not be a

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Speaker 2: one size fits all kind of thing. We try to

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Speaker 2: think about different use cases and different people's needs. So

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Speaker 2: whereas other things other sites might just say this is

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Speaker 2: the best thing in a vacuum, Well, it might not

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Speaker 2: work if you have a small apartment, may not work.

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Speaker 2: If you were a single mom, it may not work.

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Speaker 2: So we think about the different ways that you might

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Speaker 2: use something, and we try to find something to fit

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Speaker 2: your needs as opposed to just what the best thing is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're going to do one, two, three, We're

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Speaker 1: going to do four types of headphones here, okay for

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Speaker 1: various use case scenarios. So your first pick is least expensive,

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Speaker 1: this is your workhorse. What's your pick, so the job remove.

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Speaker 2: They've been our pick actually for a couple of years now,

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Speaker 2: and they're super durable. They sound way better than you think.

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Speaker 2: They're really comfortable, so you can wear them a really

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Speaker 2: long time and they won't bother your ears. A lot

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Speaker 2: of times you'll notice with cheap headphones book cut corners

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Speaker 2: by putting in crappy foam or weird plasticky parts, and

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Speaker 2: wear them for an hour and then you start finding

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Speaker 2: You won't have that problem with these. So that's why

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Speaker 2: I love them is they're really easy to use buttons.

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Speaker 2: They're very comfortable, and a lot of stuff out there

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Speaker 1: And they're also flexible. When you first showed them to me,

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Speaker 1: Before we move on to our kids pick, which I

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Speaker 1: really think they look very cool. I know you can't

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Speaker 1: see them on the podcast. But they look really nice.

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Speaker 1: They look like a premium, like one thousand dollars pair

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Speaker 1: sit on my ear. Is that like a preference or

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Speaker 2: Totally a preference? So we have on ear versus over ear,

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Speaker 2: and we actually have different picks for people like that.

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Speaker 2: So and you're not alone. People that wear glasses tend

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Speaker 1: So we do have pick.

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Speaker 2: Sort of things the job remove are on ear, and

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, so let's get into the kids pick that

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Speaker 1: you have, and these, like I said, these look like

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Speaker 2: So the PUROBT twenty two hundred and what I love

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Speaker 2: Fit in them when I was doing stuff. They'll fit

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Speaker 2: It to eighty five dB. So that's the World Health

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Speaker 1: And they have a micro USB charger on there. But again,

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Speaker 2: So that's what's great about these things is that they

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Speaker 1: And these Puros are one hundred dollars. Yeah, round hundred,

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Speaker 1: So one hundred dollars for these and again kind of

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Speaker 1: it and forget it a little bit. I'll be purchasing

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Speaker 1: those through your affiliate link, of course. Okay, So, Jabra,

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Speaker 1: this is your best alternative to the AirPods. Yes, tell

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Speaker 2: So you've got Actually they have two different versions of these,

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Speaker 2: And they have about the same battery life and they

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Speaker 1: And it looks like they come in sort of a

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Speaker 2: where it's like you get about four to five hour

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Speaker 1: on the table here we've got the noise canceling pick.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I bought my first pair of Bows.

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Speaker 1: KTLA eight years ago. I was going to Japan and

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Speaker 1: I was like, do I spend three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: know what, I've seen all the advertising, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: do it, and I've loved them ever since. They've lasted

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Speaker 1: since then, by the way, so that's been eight years.

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Speaker 1: But your pick, I am verified here you have a

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Speaker 1: pair of Bows as your top sort of noise canceling headphones.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about these. What are these called?

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Speaker 2: So the QC thirty five Mark two, which is a

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Speaker 2: first of all, Bos has their noise canceling you just

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Speaker 1: It's certified for all those sort of flexible yeah, and

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Speaker 1: To Okay, but you're paying the price. How much are these?

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Speaker 1: Lauren Dragon from Wirecutter, thank you so much. How can

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Speaker 2: Okay, so wirecutter dot com. We are also we're owned

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Speaker 2: by the New York Times, so you can also go

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Speaker 2: through the New York Times. And if you want me specifically,

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Speaker 2: if you have specific headphones about questions about headphones, you

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Speaker 2: but just at Lauren Dragon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then an and there's many more picks. We just

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Speaker 1: did four, but you, like you said, this is a

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Speaker 1: for your situation, you even Lauren even has a pick

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Speaker 1: for weightlifters.

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Speaker 2: Yes, specifically for weightlifters.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy that ge that gets really really specific here.

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Speaker 1: So thanks so much for joining me today. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'm Rich Damiro For links and pictures and all that

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Speaker 2: Mhmm