1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Bucky 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: with you Buck? How you doing, man? I'm good dj 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Uh knee deep in getting ready for I mean, I 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: got a spec legsy Bowl Uh coming up next week. 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: But the Combine to Combine is honest, his draft season, 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: trying to get all the names and all the lists 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: and all that stuff done so we can make some 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: compelling TV when we get to in Anatolis. I'll tell 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: you what. If it looks like I've got sleepy's in 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: my eyes, the reason for man alive, I'll tell you what. Man. 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: I looked it up last night because I was like, 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: hold up, the Combine list didn't come out until the 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: eight and I think I leave to go out there. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: That's like, hey, here's three hundred plus names. Can you 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: can you get these guys done in the next two 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: weeks now? And you have a good chunk of them 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: done from the Senior Bowl and some of the top 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: guys when you know you kind of knew about from 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: the beginning. But man, it's like never ending streme of tape. 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: But it is fun. It's those fun moments. And you 22 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: know how it is when you you're going through and 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: you get through like seven mediocre players, and all of 24 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: a sudden you see one that pops a little bit. 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, we got something here. It's like fishing. 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: I would imagine we talked about to day. Neither one 27 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: of us really fish, but that's what you feel like. 28 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: You sit on the boat for hours and hours and hours. 29 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: Hey we got a little nibble here. You know that 30 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: that is that is a big part of it. Um 31 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: trying not to um, I don't see like kind of 32 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: blank out or blot out, but yeah, like players are different, 33 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: and you know, um, when I was in Seattle, we 34 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: used to always watch the guys in alphabetical order, So 35 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: whatever the position was, you're watching the alphabetic quarters. So 36 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: you didn't know when the guy was going to pop 37 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: up because the grades weren't displayed, and so you're just 38 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: kind of going through all the age. Oh we got one, 39 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: and it may take another three or four hours before 40 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: you get another one that like pops. And what we 41 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: mean by pop like someone who has like these trades 42 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: that you've got oh and ah in the room. Not 43 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: necessarily the guys that are they have potential. That's a 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: different look. It's a different look. Also watching big running 45 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: backs and little running backs, it's a different because they 46 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: look different when it's that's a great point, man. Um, 47 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: So today what we're doing, we're gonna go through your 48 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: top five by positions. This is out. You can go 49 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: find that NFL dot com uh look up, it'll be there. 50 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: You can see just NFL dot com slash Bucky Brooks. 51 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: You'll be able to find all Bucky's work. And that 52 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: is uh is where you have your first edition here, 53 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: the one point oh top five by Positions. So that's 54 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: what this podcast is going to be today. Fuck, so 55 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: I say we jump right in here and let's start 56 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: right at the front of the class. Here, let's start 57 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. Why don't you just give us the 58 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: five names and then I'll tell you kind of what 59 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: what stood out to me and we can have a 60 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: little conversation as we go through these positions. Alright, So 61 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks, um, I wan C J. Stroud at one, 62 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: Bryce young It two, Handon Hooker three, Will Levis four, 63 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: and then Tanner McKee at five. And like I know, 64 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: the first thing that comes up, you know you already 65 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: know what you and that's all I gonna say. That's no, yeah, 66 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: the question. So you know Anthony Richardson F five and 67 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, here here's the thing, like, um, I wanted 68 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: to try and stay true to the process, Like how 69 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: would I do it if I was an area scout? 70 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: What would I do? How would I look at it? 71 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: And I love the traits like I love the athleticism, 72 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: I love the big runs. I think he had a 73 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: big run that he broke up against l s U. 74 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: He played great against Utah, but then it's hard to 75 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: ignore the other tapes where man, he's throwing worm burners 76 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: and he's off the mark, and I just don't know 77 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: if he passes well enough. And so when I think 78 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: about like others in playing the position and those things, 79 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: I looked at Tanner McKee. And I'm not saying that 80 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: Tanner McKee is the most impressive prospect of whatever, but 81 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: he throws it better, he was more consistent, And so 82 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: for me, I went to Tanner McKee over Anthony Richardson, 83 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: knowing that there will be a lot of blowback when 84 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: I made that selection. So it's interesting you do this 85 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: because I have something to add on to this context. 86 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: A little bit. So I was finishing up the White 87 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: House last night and this is what happened. So to 88 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: give people a little bit of peek behind the curtain. 89 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: In the role that we're in now, it's different than 90 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: when you are an area scout or when you're you know, 91 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: with a team. So with a team, i'll you know, 92 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: let's take Richardson for example, you will have gone there 93 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: and seen him in training camp. First of all, you'd 94 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: have done work on him over the summer. Then you 95 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: would go see him at training camp. And because it's 96 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: a Florida which is a you know, a class A 97 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: type school, probably go there three times. So you but 98 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: by the time you submit your report in December, you'll 99 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: have seen every game that he played. Plus you have 100 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: seen him probably most likely in a game live, and 101 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: you have seen him in practice three times. So that 102 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: is a complete look at him. Bam. The grade goes 103 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: in the book and there's gonna be very little movement 104 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: for you from from here until the draft. Maybe there's 105 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: something in an interview, uh, something that you know, maybe 106 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: bushes him up or down slightly, but you're anchored and 107 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: what we're doing, we're trying to wrap our arms around 108 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: an entire draft class to be able to discuss them initially, 109 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: and then once we get our arms around the whole group, 110 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: then we go in and study it and really try 111 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: and you peel apart the layers here and see if 112 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: we can go deeper and separate these clumps. So we 113 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: always use an analogy. Right now, let's get him in 114 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: the neighborhood, and then eventually we'll get him in the 115 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: right house. So brings me to this point on Richardson. 116 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing receivers right, so when I do whiteouts, I 117 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: look at every target that's come their way the whole year. 118 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: So last night I was doing Justin Shorter, the wide 119 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: receiver from Florida and Buck and I, you know, I 120 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: put Richardson up there is my fourth guy because of 121 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: the traits. I saw the runs. I watched the L 122 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: s U games. One of the games I watched, and 123 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm watching the Shorter. I'm like, Okay, I don't know 124 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: how great Shorter is, but my goodness, these balls are 125 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: not even close. Like he is. He is on top 126 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: and the ball is fifteen yards over his head. He 127 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,559 Speaker 1: wins on an out route and the ball is five 128 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: yards you know, behind him like they aren't little baby 129 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: misses like this is. This is very much a project 130 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: here with Anthony Richardsons. So I get, I get where 131 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: you're coming from it. It is a huge project, and 132 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: I think, um, I mean, we're always impacted by previous 133 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: draft classes in previous years, and so uh, for me, 134 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: the Malie Willis thing comes to mind, and I not 135 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: only like watched him and evaluating him for the draft, 136 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: but I had a chance to see him up close 137 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: and personally when he was in Tennessee. I'm doing the 138 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: work for the Jaguars. Look, they're having to play Tennessee. 139 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 1: It comes down to the end and ten See Titans 140 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: having to make a decision on who's going to play 141 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: quarterback for them, Josh Dobbs or Malik Willis. They go 142 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: for Josh Dobbs, and so then my natural inclination is 143 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: to compare what I know from Malik Willis back then 144 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: to what I know from Anthony Richardson right now, and 145 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, Malik Willis win the third round. He 146 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: goes in the third round, and we talked about he 147 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: would need a year or project or whatever. He can't 148 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: get on the field in a big game, and so 149 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, where we're talking about like top five and 150 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: we're not necessarily saying a every top five player on 151 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: the list is gonna be a first round but you're 152 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: kind of saying they need to kind of rate in 153 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: that seven oh or higher range. And I just couldn't 154 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: do it. I just couldn't do it based on his 155 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: athleticism and stuff alone, because at some point we got 156 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: to play the game, and he has to play the game. 157 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: Is he ready to play? And I just don't know, 158 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: d J if I if I can do it, So 159 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: I'll go conservative on him now and if something changes later. 160 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: But I just couldn't give it to him. I know 161 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: everyone else has kind of talked about him. And here's 162 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: also the thing that we have to talk about. Mock drafts. 163 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Enlisting and scouting are different. Like mock drafts are as 164 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: we said, what we hear, what we think other teams 165 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: will do. Well. This my name is on it, and 166 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: so my name is on it where I gotta claim 167 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: it because you know, the buddies in illegal like, hey man, 168 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: who's this guy you? And so for me, I want 169 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: to stay here and I just couldn't give him. I 170 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: could give him the grade right now to put him 171 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: in the top five over Chata McKey. Yeah, you know, 172 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: we have a grade teams I worked for called it's 173 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: a six five D, which is a six five it's 174 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: an upper level developmental player. So it's a kind of 175 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: a boom bust situation where you could hit big on him. 176 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: You really, you really could. I just think that you 177 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: know too to say that this is a similar to 178 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: a Josh Allen situation. The more that I'm seeing of him, 179 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: he's much further away than than than Josh is now. 180 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: The the arm tapping, the arm strength is ridiculous, the 181 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: athleticism size, all that stuff off the charts. This is 182 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: gonna be This is gonna be a process to get 183 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: where you know he needs to get. And the other thing. 184 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: D j Um also impacted by Brock Purdy and Kenny 185 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: Pickt and the guys to play. Desmond uh Ritter. He's 186 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: a one year player. He only has one year of 187 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: experience like really playing Like it's hard to say that 188 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: a guy with only one year collegiate experience comes out 189 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: early is going to be able to play. When we've 190 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: seen the quarterbacks that have had success, Um, they stayed 191 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: in the game a little longer. They have significant reps. 192 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: They have they've logged a number of snaps, They've seen 193 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: a lot of different things from defenses, so they're able 194 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: to just and so to me is a big develop 195 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: elemental prospect because he doesn't have a lot of experience 196 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: and he also has some flaws in his game that 197 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: will prevent him from being able to jump right now, 198 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: even though the running skills are superpower. But because you 199 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: brought up to Josh and I think we have to 200 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: have the Will Levis conversation. Yeah. Well, Levis was another 201 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: one that was hard for me because I put Henn 202 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: and Hooker in front of him person because like Henn 203 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: and Hooker was more consistent. I know people are talking 204 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: about the age and those things. My issue with Will 205 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Levis is the Josh Allen comparison is valid because I 206 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: can see why you would compare him to that when 207 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: you look at him on tape. They do some similar things. 208 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: They have big arm, big size. Uh, they have a 209 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: tendency to jump when they run the ball, and those things. 210 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: The turnovers though, man, the turnovers like really drove me crazy. 211 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: And I know he's playing with like um like a 212 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: supporting cast is not up to snuff, similar to what 213 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: Josh Allen had at one in his final season. But 214 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean twenty three interceptions and two seasons as it started, 215 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: he had a ton of sacks that he took. I 216 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: just don't know. And when I wrote in my notes, 217 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: like his eyes, he has a tendency to lock on 218 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,239 Speaker 1: to the primary and doesn't necessarily work due the progression, 219 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: and so I see the trace and why he could be. 220 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: But man, when we're talking about playing the position in 221 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: the way that some have him graded, I just don't 222 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: know if he's going to be that guy initially. All right, 223 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: real quick, just so we can cross check here. So 224 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: what was it giving me the interception total? Again? Buck 225 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: So I had twenty three interception That might be career 226 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: because I'm looking at the notes, it might be yeah, 227 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: that I mean, I'm thinking that's I'm thinking that's correct. 228 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull it up. I'm gonna pull it up 229 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: right now because will uh Levis as we're talking about him, 230 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's last two years buckets, Yeah, he had he 231 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: had a junior fifteen as a junior and then he 232 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: had six as a senior. Levis I'm pulling it up here. 233 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: Levis had you know, he had twenty three the last 234 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: two years, yet two is you know at Penn State. 235 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: But if you just look at two years at Kentucky 236 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: and ten, so it's not you can get why people 237 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: if you want to present him as Josh Allen. You 238 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: can get why people can present him as Josh Allen. 239 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: More so more so than with with Richardson, because I 240 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: think the separation between Levis and Richardson in terms of that, like, 241 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I can understand why someone would take 242 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: Weill Levis. I can see that more than I can 243 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: see it with Anthony Richardson in the first round. I 244 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: can see seeing the thing and squinting and be like, Okay, 245 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: Josh Allen has similar trades. We can put him a 246 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: similar offense. We would ask him to run and do 247 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: those things. You see his uh junior season when he 248 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: ran around more and was healthy. You can see the 249 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: big physical the ruggedness, all that other stuff. So I 250 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: understand the comparisons with Josh Allen. The only thing that 251 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: I did, I think I'm looking at the grade that 252 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: I gave him. So I gave him kind of like 253 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: in our system, it would be like the borderline first 254 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: round greed right like right there where he could be 255 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: a starter in a year or two. YadA, YadA, YadA. 256 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: I gave him, Actually, I think I gave him and 257 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: hit and hook at the same right, I'm trying to 258 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: flip and get to my face. I think I gave them. Now, 259 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: I gave a slightly big or grade. And so it's 260 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: the six nine seven. Oh, it's the same day and 261 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: the same day and in in the same nightbluster. But it 262 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: was only because well one and hook. He is older, 263 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: so he's played more like he's an experienced guy, Like 264 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: you have to have your own conversation with him being 265 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: six years old. But I felt like he was more polished. 266 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: I felt like, prior to the injury, he has some 267 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: sneaky athleticism that you would talk about and all the 268 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: other stuff. I just felt like he was more advanced 269 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: in terms of playing the game as a thrower than 270 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: will Love us. But I can understand why there would 271 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: be some love on the streets for will Loves based 272 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: on the prototype stuff that he brings to the tape. Yeah, 273 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: and again, with all these guys, it's gonna matter where 274 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: they go, who they're coached by who they're playing with. Um, 275 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a large factor and how this thing 276 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: shakes out. Buck running backs give us the order real quick, 277 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: and then we'll move to whiteouts because if you if 278 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: you missed it the other day, we did a full 279 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: podcast on all these running backs. Were both dug into 280 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: them deep. So we'll just get get the names of 281 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: the order and then we'll move to whiteouts. Yeah, so 282 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: I lost one. I got right here, I got okay, 283 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: just read read it. John Robinson Buck has be John 284 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: Robinson one. Jamir Gibbs too. I think everybody would, uh, 285 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: anybody to talk to kind of has that charbon a 286 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: three who I really like a chain, Uh the devon 287 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: a chain. I gotta get his pronunciation right before the combine. 288 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: That's why I'm going with right now. By the way, 289 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: where he's training in Texas with the zillion guys, they 290 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: said he's the fastest dude there, which shouldn't be a surprise, 291 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: crazy explosive. And then Dwayne McBride, who's like the polar 292 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: opposite of him, not a ton of juice but just 293 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: a real instinctive natural runner. Again we broke down all 294 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, we broke them down, and we have 295 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: plenty of time to talk about the running, the running 296 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: backs and stuff like that because there are plenty of 297 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: guys that we can throw in there. A Chain is 298 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: the one that's interesting because he is light. He's not 299 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: a five pound but the juice is there stands out 300 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: on tape. He looks different, like after you watch Charbonne 301 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: and McBride and you watch him, be like, oh, it's 302 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: like a different speed. You have this loaded tape now, 303 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: But good players in the running back class. I think 304 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: you put out on Twitter that this is one that 305 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: is deod it's loaded. But a lot of these guys 306 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: will be second and third round picks more so than 307 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: first round. Bijon Robinson, I can advocate taking the first round. 308 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: Everybody else I would say, hey, I kind of wait, 309 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: because there are a bunch of guys that can play 310 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: and have a lot of success in the league. Yeah, 311 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: he's different. Now he's different. There is him, and then 312 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: there's everybody else. So I have no problem. You know, 313 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: everybody said take a running back in the first round. 314 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: You can't do that because, uh, you know, we have 315 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: so much depth. I think there are really good backs 316 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: you can get in the third or fourth round. But 317 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: there's exceptions for exceptional players, and Bijon is and he's 318 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: in that class of guys special special player. Yeah, so 319 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: he would go, let's go wide out so white House, 320 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: which I think is a really good class. I don't 321 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: know if it's a great dude at the top of 322 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: the board, but let's go Jackson Smith and Jake bug 323 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: Za Flowers the second for me quinnin. Johnson is third, 324 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Jordan Addison his fourth from USC and in fifth Jalen 325 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: Hyatt from Tennessee. Yeah. No, I think you're gonna see 326 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: these in all different orders. Um, I think this is 327 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of the group of guys. I think I have 328 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: the same I have the same five guys in a 329 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: slightly different order. My my, my question to you would be, uh, 330 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba one. I think we're we're on the 331 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: same page in terms of guys missing a season. We've 332 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: seen that with the opt out guys during COVID. That 333 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: doesn't really doesn't really bother me too much. Um, But 334 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: my question is do you see him playing outside at all? 335 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: Because I thought when I watched him, I thought he 336 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: is going to be an inside guy. Yeah, you know, 337 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: the funny thing is um he played primarily inside and 338 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: you go, but you have to watch him. He's playing 339 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: with chrisal Lobby and Garrett Wilson. And my goodness, if 340 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: you're Ohio State, what whatever Brian Hardline is doing at 341 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: what receiver? Like whatever he's Lauren, I want his catnet 342 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: like I was. Handsome guys like that. Come. Oh but 343 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: by the way, by the way, man, we're not gonna 344 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: have a larva and and uh and uh Garrett Wilson 345 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: and the Bowl game, Oh gosh, I guess we just 346 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: have to throw Marvin Harrison out there. See how that goes. 347 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Just so much talent and what they're they're doing. And 348 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: the thing for me that stands out about the niggleot 349 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: I feel like his route running ability will give him 350 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: a chance to be able to get out side. His 351 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: size and route runnability is six pounds, he should be 352 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: able to get out there. I thought he was super 353 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: smoothed and skilled. And we've talked about the last few 354 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: years the guys who have been craftsman, the guys who 355 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: have been able to run rouse and create separation not 356 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: just on their sheer athleticism, but on their craft and 357 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: technique they have a chance, and I think he has 358 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: all of that. I love the way he catches the 359 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: ball over the middle of the field, like his open 360 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: field running, and to me, it's just can he like 361 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: stay healthy. Look, I know it was a hamstring, but 362 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: the perma turn skills and attracting ability, to me, he 363 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: has everything that you're looking for the position. So I 364 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: was willing to kind of gamble that he's gonna be 365 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna be able to make it and 366 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: make it, make it pop in the major way. Can 367 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: I can I a few good menu and do what 368 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: we do in draft meetings, because you said the other 369 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: day you like to you like to kind of drop 370 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: a little bit out there. Look, and I kind of 371 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: throwing yourn eight on your wide receiver list. This is 372 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: like a few good men. I'm going right here. So 373 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: I know you well, and we've talked about players every 374 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: year we've been doing this, not only the decade we've 375 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: worked together, but previously. So here's my pushback, buck you ready, 376 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: m I know you, and I know that you have 377 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba and Zay Flowers over Quentin Johnson because 378 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: as we've discussed on here, crafts craftsman, craftsman and route 379 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: runners over heightweight speed. We're always gonna it's been proven 380 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: out when we look back at guys, we've missed our guys. 381 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: We've got right craftsman route runners over height weight speed. 382 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: So that's why you have Smith and jig Benja Flowers 383 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: over Quentin Johnson. Begs the question, how in the world 384 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: you have Quentin Johnson over Jordan Addison when Jordan Addison 385 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: is a superior route runner, superior craftsman. So here's what's funny, 386 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: because you know me will uh DJ everybody on this list, 387 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: I have the same grade. I'm loaking seven oh six 388 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: nine six nine six nine. Josh Down has six five, 389 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: Jalen Hida has six five. UM. I think it just 390 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: came down to, like with QUENTN. Johnson, I was like, man, 391 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: am I beating him up because he is big, fast 392 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: and physical and the Verdi route runner. But then he's 393 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: a body at you. You know, he's a former high 394 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: school like yeah, basketball player or whatever, and like in time, 395 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: I think I finished the list because I watched Addison 396 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: after Um Johnson, and I think it was more me 397 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: expecting more from Addison because I watched the Pittsburgh tape 398 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: and then the the player he was at SC was 399 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: not like the play he was at Pittsburgh. I thought 400 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: I would see more wow in the offense at USC, 401 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: and I didn't see that, And so the combine to 402 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: me will be great because I did. I need to 403 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: see him whatever. I fully came in thinking that I 404 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: was gonna have him, it's gonna be like, Hey, he's 405 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: gonna be the one or two because you know, we've 406 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: heard so much about him and I just want to 407 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: see him up close and personal. Uh z A Flowers 408 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: tape pops more like his play, just the suddenness. I 409 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: just need to I just want to feel how quick 410 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: and explosive can I'm gonna push back. I'm gonna push 411 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: back and say this. I think he is gonna run 412 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: really really fast. When you watch Stanford and you see 413 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: him pull away, you can see him pull away on 414 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: that one. He gets an opportunity there. I think. The 415 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: other thing like when we talk about number one guys, 416 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: they were in a dog fight at Oregon State and 417 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: uh and he makes the play to help them when 418 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: when that football game, when everybody knows that's where the football. 419 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: So I give him credit for those who things the 420 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: other thing, I would say, the difference to me when 421 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: you look at him at Pitt versus him at USC 422 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: he is playing with Michael Jordan's and Michael Jordan's Michael 423 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: Jordan doesn't need you to be special out there, because 424 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's gonna hit whoever is open. He's gonna spread 425 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: that thing all the way around, and and and the throws. 426 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: You end up watching the play and it's like you 427 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: can't I know, I'm supposed to be watching this guy, 428 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: but I can't stop watching the throw versus the catch, 429 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you go, you go 430 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: through two games, You're like, man, I've just been stuck 431 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: looking at this quarterback. I'm not even seeing what's going 432 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: on with aison, But the quarterbacks gets whoever is open, 433 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: and there is something to that. And much like you know, 434 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: we were talking um behind baseball, like sometimes you put 435 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: a great on somebody as a placeholder. So when I 436 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: sat then, I told you I kind of took the 437 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: chicken way out of everybody having six nine. Uh, some 438 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: of that is to buy me time until I can 439 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: watch them at the combine. I think the guy that 440 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: was more controversial for me was going out on the 441 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: limb with Jalen Hyatt. H Jalen Hyatt and Johnson could 442 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: be in the same category because and Johnson we talked 443 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: about big, fast, physical, vertical route runner body catch up 444 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: with a lot of drops and Jalen Hyad you have fast, 445 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: explosive but plays in the offense where we've seen a 446 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: lot of guys that have played in the offense ring 447 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: up numbers and none of those guys have had a 448 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: significant amount of success. Corey Coleman played in Baylor's offense, 449 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: can be right played in that offense, Denzel, And so 450 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: I have them up there because when you watch the tape, 451 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: like my goodness, But the first thing that I have 452 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: in my notes scheme creation question mark. Does the scheme 453 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: create the player and the that we're seeing or can 454 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: he do this on his own in another system? And 455 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: if you can do it, what does he need to 456 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: be able to do? Like I worry about the route running, 457 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: the experience, all that other stuff, so the combine will 458 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: do it. So right up under there no one will 459 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: see on the list is Josh Downs from North Carolina. 460 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: And you know, and Josh Downs is terrific, but he's 461 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: five here and a hundred seventy three. And you know, 462 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: d we talked about little guys Like little little guys 463 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: in this league, you have to be able to be 464 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: extraordinary and some area because you can't really use them 465 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: in the running game. Uh And with Josh downs, every 466 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: time I saw him get hit, man, it seemed like 467 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: he there limped or gimp. And I just don't know 468 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: in a very physical game, how's he going to be 469 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: able to hold up? When you can sit there and say, look, 470 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: he arguably could be one of the best slot receivers. 471 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: Catch percentages terrific. So to be interesting to see how 472 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: all these guys look out look at once. Once we 473 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: get to the combine, No doubt Height is gonna roll here. 474 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: That is his one. He might only have one pitch, 475 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: but that is he throws a hundred miles an hour. Man, 476 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: that thing is sin man, Mario very throw the cutter. 477 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. Um tight ends here, Buck. You've 478 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: got Mayor one from Notre Dame. You've got Dalton Kincaid 479 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: from Utah to Darnell Washington, the Incredible Hulk from Georgia three, 480 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave four from Oregon State, Tucker Craft five, I 481 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: know we've talked about tight ends previously on here, so 482 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: we don't need to go as deep on this one, 483 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: but maybe just the difference with Mayor and Kincaid, they're 484 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: at the top. What was the reasoning? You know, it's 485 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: funny because this is really close. Uh. Once again, the 486 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: grades are i mean point one from each other. Uh. 487 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Mayre's more your prototypical why tight end, very classic in 488 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: the way that he plays. I think some would say 489 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: like more like the ad Jason Witten type that can 490 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: kind of do it kind of slinky, not necessarily fast, 491 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: but just knows how to play the game and create 492 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: separation and get open. Dawnkan Kay to me is the 493 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: prototypical flex tied end. If you talk about like the 494 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: comparison between having a Rob Gronkowski type as your classic 495 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: wive versus like Travis Kelsey type Kim Kaid excuse more 496 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: towards the Travis Kelsey type. You want to have him 497 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: in space, You want to be able to give him room. 498 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: He can do a bunch of different things. He's experienced, Um, 499 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean just a ton of production at two different schools. 500 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: University of San Diego dominated a small school level, goes 501 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: to Utah dominates it there, and so to me, he's 502 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: like that crafty route running that you want on the 503 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: perimeter that can make it happen. I wouldn't be surprised 504 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: to see like someone fall in love with him in 505 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: a very specific role and say, hey, man, I like 506 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: this guy better than Mayor, and just in terms of 507 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: how he does his business, I think he's really good. Yeah. 508 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it's interesting you can look at 509 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: and I can kind of put him in a couple 510 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: of different categories here. But like, uh, with Mayor in Washington, 511 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: even though I think Washington's gonna run faster, those guys 512 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: are combat catches. You know, those guys are in traffic, 513 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: in crowds, and their sizes their superpower. We always like 514 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: talk about what's the superpower that's their their size? A 515 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: lot of contested catches or combat catches wherever you want 516 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: to call him. Uh. And then with King Kaid and Musgrave, 517 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: they play with more urgency, more juice, more separation, more playmaking, 518 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: more run after the catch you're gonna get from them, 519 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, pull away from you. Um, it's it's more 520 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: of a I guess guys are more space game. And 521 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: then you guys are more in the crowds, you know, 522 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: Like there's two different types of guys, two different types 523 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: of guys, and and they do it um different. Kinkaid 524 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: to me is day one, plug and play ready. He's 525 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: gonna make it happen right away. Musgrave is interesting because 526 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: of the size, the length, the athleticism, the stuff that 527 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: you see in his background lacrosse, right. I mean, look, 528 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: he's the Catholics. Look, he's gonna look look the part 529 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: like a show pony. And so for those guys you love, 530 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: and I don't think you can get enough of those guys. 531 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: I think after that, the Tucker Craft from South Dakota 532 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: State coming falls in line with those guys players. Um, 533 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: you know if you like the kid from Iowa, Sam Laporta. Um, 534 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: So there's an intrigue. And I think the one thing 535 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: that we're seeing in the tight end position, there are 536 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that can catch the ball and 537 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: do it. I think May and Washington certainly go more 538 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: in that. Hey, the extension of the offensive line in 539 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: the running game, they're gonna be able to kind of 540 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: get on you. That that Washington guy, look, I think 541 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: about I think about taking him and he has the 542 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: ability to end up like Jason Peters. Like I know 543 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: Jason Peter started as a time and became a live 544 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: tackle when I put him in the game. If I'm 545 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: on defense, I'm like, coach, he's a tackle, like I 546 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: know he has. He's a tackle. They're running this way. 547 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: We need a load of him. Put the big boy 548 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: pass on. Yeah. No, it's a It's a good group 549 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: of tight ends, and it goes a lot deeper even 550 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: than those names that you mentioned there. Payne Durham from 551 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: Purdue at a good senior bowl. He is good on tape. 552 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: Blue Schoonmaker from Michigan, UH is a good player. The 553 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: kid I did last night, I gotta figure out what 554 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: happened if I know he got hurt. But this Noah 555 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: grin Gendorf from North Dakota State who missed Uh. He 556 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: only played in three games. I think was an ankle 557 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: end up having surgery. Um, so you gotta go back 558 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: to the year before. But I'm telling you about in 559 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: three games, maybe there was eight target. I mean, it 560 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: was like the smallest sample size, but this guy's listed 561 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: at six six six eight and he was catching and 562 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: running over dudes. So I'm like, I gotta I gotta 563 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: get my hands on some tape from last year. I 564 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: don't have it currently, but again, it's it's a long 565 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: list of tight ends. It's a great position group. Um 566 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: of the ones we've gone over. I think, uh, quarterback 567 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: is a kind of I would say a B class. 568 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: I would say receivers is probably a C class, and 569 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: I think running backs to B B plus class. And 570 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: I think the tight ends and a class. Uh. And 571 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: you absolutely can get a tight end that can plug 572 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: and play and make an impact right away. All right, 573 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break. We're gonna come back. We'll 574 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: finish up the offense, will jump into the defense. All right, buck, 575 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: we'll pick up the pace here. Um, this is what 576 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: happens when we start digging into this. We should have 577 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: known that we should have just done offense and not 578 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: tried to do the whole thing, because we get into 579 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: these discussions, and I think that's more fun the first 580 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: time we've really we've really had an opportunity to really 581 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: do it, like now that both of us have kind 582 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: of done the work and got the grades and that stuff, 583 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: and then we can have like real beneath the surf. 584 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: His conversations about who we like in those things, no doubt. Alright, 585 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: offensive tackles. Uh, give us your top five here and 586 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: I'll give you a quick question then we'll move. I 587 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: lost the list, but I think I got you. I 588 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: got you, I got you, I got you. I'll take 589 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: care of this for you here. But let me be 590 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: your van of white. Uh. Paris Johnson number one from 591 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: Ohio State, Peter Scronsky from Northwestern to Broderick Jones from 592 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: Georgia three, Darnell Right four from Tennessee. Cody Mauck from 593 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: North Dakota State is number five. I will I'm gonna 594 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: hit you with the first question here and uh, and 595 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: that's on Cody number five. I think we I was 596 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: having a discussion with somebody last night, with the team 597 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: assistant general manager, and I said, I think he's got 598 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: a legit shot of going in the bottom of one. 599 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: And he said, I said, I don't know. I think 600 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: maybe two. I said, look at the look at this 601 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: draft class, Like this guy can play five positions, his 602 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: characters clean, he had a great Senior Bowl, Like he's 603 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: checking all of the boxes for him to get into 604 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: the back around one. Yeah, DJ, and like everyone last 605 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: year should should know, Coach Strange like kind of sneaking 606 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: in the first round, no one. I think he's better. 607 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: I think he's better than Cold Strange right out. Yeah. 608 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: And so now you're talking about a guy that played 609 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: at a very distinguished program, played well, has versatility, and 610 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: then when you think about the guys that are right 611 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: there around him, I thought he was a much better 612 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: player than Antoine Harrison from Oklahoma, and I think it's close. Yeah, 613 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: and and and so for me, I was like, look, man, 614 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: this dude, this dude has to be in there. He 615 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: has to be in that conversation. And when you look 616 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: at the rest of the guys that are there, I 617 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: think there's some separation when you get there. And so 618 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: we know it if you need an offensive tackle, not 619 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: that you push those guys up, but you better get 620 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: him on the first go around because there's a huge 621 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: difference between who's gonna be available on the second go round. 622 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: And that brings you to your point about Cody Mark 623 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: being a first round pick. He he's on the line 624 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: because who else are you gonna take? You gotta play 625 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: with somebody. Who else are you going to take? In 626 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: This dude has a lot of versatility, a lot of 627 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: experience on him. I like him. Yeah, I think he's 628 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: a good chance he's starting inside next year. I think 629 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: he gets to a place. I think he you know, 630 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: he has a versatility to hold up a tackle, but 631 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: I think he'd be even better inside, and I think 632 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: he gets on the field right away. Um interior blockers. 633 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: So we're looking at center's guards. You have Osiris Torrence 634 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: from Florida one, John Michael Schmid's who had a great 635 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: week at the Senior bo Both those guys really great 636 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: senior But he's too uh Luke Whippler. I haven't got 637 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: to him yet. He's at Ohio State. He's three a Vila, 638 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: Steve a Villa from TCUs four, and Andrew Voorhees from 639 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: sc IS five. Yeah. So to me, Osias Torrence, Look, 640 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: he's the guy man. When you watch him against Jalen Carter, Like, 641 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: that's the tape that I just couldn't put down. I mean, 642 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: just going toe to toe with someone who was regarded 643 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: as one of the top prospects in the draft. It 644 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: was very impressive. And you're talking about a triple X 645 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: office of guard that can play malabrawl the type. Uh, 646 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: he's good. And then you know, there's so many guys 647 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: centers that can move DJ. This class is different good then, 648 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: like these dudes are athletic at the pivot. I mean 649 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: you're seeing guys move. We talked about John Michael Smith's 650 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: being able to pull the move, the same thing when 651 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: you look at Whippler from Ohio State. He does the 652 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: same stuff to Jason Kelsey stuff with guys are getting 653 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: out and leading on sweeps and those things. And so 654 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: it's a really intriguing class. And I think it's one 655 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: where the versatilities everything because when you take a guard, 656 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: you love to have him if he can play sent 657 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: him because now you can just kind of trying to 658 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: figure out a way to fit him in until they 659 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: can get to his natural position at pivot. Yeah, I've 660 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: had a bunch of these guys I've got to get 661 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: watched before we get to Indy. So I've got a 662 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: bunch more of these interior alignment to watch. I have 663 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: yet to do. Whippler haven't done be four he's yet. Um. 664 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: The other one I would throw in there is to 665 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: meet Tipman from Wisconsin is a really really good player. Um. 666 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: He is a taller, taller interior guy, but's A. It's 667 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: a good group. I like that. I think that second 668 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: round spot second round, you're gonna see a bunch of 669 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: these dudes come off the board. All right, let's get 670 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: to the other side of the ball. Let's go defense. 671 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: Let's start edge defenders. You've got Will Anderson one from Alabama, 672 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech. To Lucas Vanes from Iowa. Three, 673 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: key On White from Georgia Tech. Four Miles Murphy from Clemson. 674 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: Five Yeah, um, another good crew. And I think here's 675 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: where we get blended. We've been advocating for a position 676 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: list for a ball for a while. DJ. There's so 677 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: many guys that I don't know what is what when 678 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm when I'm evaluating defense more so than offense, I 679 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: don't know who to put in what category. Who's an 680 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: edge player, who's not, who's a linebacker? All the safeties 681 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: are really nickels. I mean, like, if we really broke 682 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: this out based on how they played in college, like 683 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: you had had like fifteen different columns for what they're doing. Um, 684 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: to me, Will Anderson is dynamic, he's productive, he's explosive. 685 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: He kind of checks off the boxes in terms of 686 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: what you want to see, Uh the numbers a little 687 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: different dishes than we're last year. But he is an 688 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: A plus player coming off the edge. Um, he really 689 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: Uh Terry Wilson, I like I remember watching the game 690 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: that he kind of hurt his ankle a little bit 691 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: and so like we're in the middle of the year. Um, 692 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: but look, he's heavy hand, He's a power player. He 693 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: plays hard. I like the motor. I think the thing 694 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: that I like with him he can stand up in 695 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: a three or going to two points. He can play 696 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: five technique or wide nine technique. You know, people always 697 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: mocked him to Seattle, but I think he's so easy 698 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: to mock to Seattle because he play either one of 699 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: those positions that they tend to play with, like that heavy, 700 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: solid defensive man, or he could be the LEO in 701 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: their defense. Yeah, I think, Uh, you know, Keian White, 702 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: somebody I put a huge grade on first go around, 703 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: didn't know anything about him. I was a little I 704 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: put a huge grade of Buck. He's in my top 705 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: ten right now and might do my update. He's gonna 706 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: drop down a little bit. He was good at the 707 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He wasn't as a dynamic as I was. 708 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: Hoping he was going to be down there kind of 709 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: put yourself out there a little bit on that on 710 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: that first one, and then I'm like, I'll pull back 711 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: a little bit. But man, he is an explosive see 712 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: but DC, I thought I was putting myself out there. 713 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: And so for the to tell you, I try not 714 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: to look at your list too early. So I'm trying 715 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: to keep it, trying to keep it pure. Yeah, in 716 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: my head. So the funny thing is I thought I 717 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: was being controversy when I put him over Miles Murphy 718 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: because my eighth player Buck. So, so how about this. 719 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: So he's from I didn't notice how to call my 720 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: dad on. He's from like my hometown. He's from Garner, 721 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: which is on the out out of skirts of and 722 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: so he's from the same place. Now hem Hanes is 723 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: from same high school, which was arright at high school 724 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: when I was there. And so I'm looking, I'm like, okay, 725 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: he went to od U And I'm looking at the 726 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: tape from watch it twice. I'm like, and I like 727 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: this that he can play inside outside power player has 728 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: motor relentless with the effort. I mean, he just never stops. 729 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: And you know, man, guys that play hard at those spots, 730 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: they rack up sacks just I mean, they just get 731 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: him in bunches. And so I like the versatility because 732 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: on tape I wrote down man he played the three 733 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: to five, the nine. This guy can play in any 734 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: defense and fitted in. So I'm kind of with you. 735 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: I know he plays like a boy in the China shop, 736 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: but to me, this dude is in a one. Dude. Um, 737 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know that you're going big because I felt 738 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: like I was going big on him. I mean, he's 739 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: really got, I got, I got, I'm I'm gonna drop 740 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: far By. He's not gonna be in my top ten. 741 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't think why I do my next update though, 742 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: So I got got a little excited when I watched 743 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: that tape the first time. Defensive tackles You've got Jalen 744 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: Carter one. Brian Breesy was a tough, tough evaluation for 745 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: me at Clemson. He's to Siaka Eka from Baylor, big Man, 746 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: he is three. Keano Benton from Wisconsin, Good Week at 747 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl He's four, and then Mozzi Smith and 748 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: athletic freak from Michigan's five. Yeah, Missy Smith is one 749 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: that I really believeor it over. Um. I had a 750 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: tough time with him because it was very similar. He 751 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of gets to benefit from Rashaun Gary uh having 752 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: success in the nationvill believe, because I remember watching Rashan 753 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: Gary in Michigan. I was like, man, I know everyone 754 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: talks about the athleticism and the trades, but I don't 755 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: see any production. What am I to do with this? 756 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: And then you watch him over his time in Green 757 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: Bay and you're like, Okay, it's come slowly and incrementally, 758 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: but it's come. Missy Smith is like that for me 759 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: when I see him one he has a bad stance, uh. 760 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: And the only reason I said it's come on there 761 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: was like his stance is bad. He's he's sitting back 762 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: like a frog or whatever. But then my buddy Bruce 763 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: Filman brings out the numbers and the numbers are ridiculous 764 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: on their freaks list, like he did three twenty two 765 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: reps on the bench Man, nine for broad for for 766 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: one shuttle. Yeah, so I kind of have to keep 767 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: him up there even though the production doesn't warrn it. 768 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: He's such a freak Combo. That's just saying if you 769 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: can teach him anything, he's gonna be a very very 770 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: real productive player. Yeah, no, he's Uh, there's a lot 771 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: to work with their in a in a league with 772 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: light boxes as we uh kind of play that shell coverage, 773 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: that's that's a value that that's a skill that's gonna 774 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: be valued, maybe more so than in previous years. It'll 775 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: be interesting to see in terms of traveling together him 776 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: in Siaka Eka, both the two big physical guys will 777 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they move around the combine 778 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: to help kind of separate that tie. For a lot 779 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: of teams around the league have those guys traveling buddies. 780 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: So we'll see how that all separates. All right, but 781 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll finish 782 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: this thing up. We're gonna get to the linebackers and 783 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: the dbs. We'll do that right after this. All right, 784 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: we're back here. Let's let's jump into these linebackers. Buck, 785 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: and you are doing this in terms of how you 786 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: separate this the same way that that I do it 787 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: with linebackers. You're talking about off the ball guys, you know, 788 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: not edge guys or edge guys, and these are off 789 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: the ball guys. And I mean we say that and 790 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: so it is being mostly like inside linebackers MIC linebackers, 791 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: but it's it's really hard. So people, there'd be some 792 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: notable names that are maybe missing on the list because 793 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: I don't really know what to categorize them. Yeah. Um, 794 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: and so I think it starts out like you basically 795 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: some things start out Crew Sanders from Arkansas. Correct. Second, 796 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: you've got Trent and Simpson from Clemson to you've got 797 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: big Jack Campbell from Iowa three who, by the way, 798 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: Jack Campbell has been training with our buddy Luke Kickley. 799 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: Luke Kickle has been helping him in the in the 800 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: run up to the combine, which I which I like. Uh. 801 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: Then you've got Henry Toto, uh from Alabama is four. 802 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: You've got Noah Suol from Oregon is number five. Yeah. So, um, 803 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: Drews sand is to me like stood out. I mean, 804 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: you just don't see guys get like nine and a 805 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: half sacks from inside linebacker position like you did. I 806 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: know you transferred from Alabama but had a lot of 807 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: success in Arkansas. I just love the production. Uh. Um, 808 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: the way that he blitz is, the physicality, all that stuff, 809 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: like he's gonna be fine. Campbell to me really stood 810 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: out from Iowa Sideline the sideline player. Love the diagnostic skills, 811 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: the instincts always kind of around the ball. U Man, 812 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: he gets some time with Luke Kickley. You talked about 813 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: scraping and and to work with. Yeah, he's gonna be good. 814 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: Transception I had like more problems with even though I 815 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: had him up there. Like, I like some of this stuff, 816 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: but I feel like some of the guys play the 817 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: game better, but he might be a better prospect. He 818 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: doesn't see it as well that I mean, I have 819 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: him up there, I have him at the top of 820 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: this of this list just because of the traits, plot, 821 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: the you know, being able to kind of sort to 822 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: the trash in there that's not his not his strong suit, 823 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: which is literally the reason why guys miss at that position. 824 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: So that is a cause for concern. But but but 825 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: he makes place when he has free like free runs 826 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: and he's able to run and chase and kind of 827 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: unleashed the athleticism. Yeah you see it. Uh you had 828 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: Henry was it tote Tote? Yeah, just just say let's 829 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: say a real fast So when you talk about playing 830 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: the game, DJ his instincts, the way that he reads 831 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: and scrapes and does all this other stuff. I'm sitting 832 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: there saying like, Okay, this is in my mind like 833 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: a second second round pick, the round pick somewhere there. 834 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: But he's gonna play. He's gonna have a lot of 835 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: success when he plays in his league. So here's my 836 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: thought on kind of these off the ball linebackers. I 837 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: almost wonder if you're seeing now there will be interest 838 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: to see two things. Number One, I think you can 839 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: look at the the Eagles have never valued off the 840 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: ball linebackers, right, and they just keep signing cheap ones 841 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: and free agency that end up being good players and 842 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: they leave and get more money, and they draft. I mean, 843 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: they get Kobe Dean in the third round. He'll probably 844 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: be starting for him next year. They haven't had to 845 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: expend big resources. And I think there's a little bit 846 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: of a copycat league aspect to them, where I think 847 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: that that position has been devalue a little bit along 848 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, so you have running backs, but here's 849 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: the here's the other one. And we could have talked 850 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: about this earlier, but get your take on it. This dude, 851 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: I was talking to you the other day, said, look, 852 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts hasn't popped in this league? Why are we 853 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 1: ever taking it? If that dude has not been a major, 854 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: major difference, then why are we taking tight ends in 855 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: the first round? Like that was like the can't miss 856 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: of can't miss tight ends? And what about like you 857 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: go with him, you go to t. J. Hockinson, you 858 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: go with no fantom in the first round, Like we 859 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: haven't had one of those guys that have come in 860 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 1: and just taken the lead by storm. Yeah, and now 861 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: Hawkins has been to some Pro Bowls. He's a good player, 862 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: But I mean he was my six or seventh player 863 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: in that draft, and I, you know, had to do 864 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: over again. I wouldn't have had him when I had 865 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: him quite as high. So um, it's it's interesting just 866 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: in terms of the positional value. And it's not saying 867 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: titans are important. They are important, but it's been proven 868 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: out that you can find them like running backs, you 869 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: can find them, and so with the with the with 870 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: the linebackers and stuff. There's some of that. Remember Bobby 871 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: Wagner is destined to be a Hall of Fame. Here's 872 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: the second round pick. You know when you watch me 873 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: uteah stay like he was a good player, you know, 874 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 1: did a lot of good things. But look what Matt 875 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: Milano has done for the Buffalo Bills. I mean, on 876 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: on and on, we can we can find him. But um, 877 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: that that's your that's your linebacker. Lets let's get to 878 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: the corners here, because you have Devin Witherspoon from Illinois. 879 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: He has one, uh the big corners, Joey Porter Jr. 880 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: From Penn States to Christian Gonzalez big corner from Oregon's three. 881 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: Cam Smith from South Carolina is four and Keeley Ringo, 882 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: who is gonna be one of the more difficult evaluations, 883 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: is five from Georgia. Uh. Ring goes to be a 884 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: difficult evaluation because he's like some of those guys that 885 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: have come through before, great athletes, straight line speed, quick miss, explosive, 886 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: doesn't see the ball, doesn't have natural I would say 887 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: ball skills and instincts. And you see him sometimes he 888 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 1: gets lost in the sauce a little bit in coverage, 889 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: but when everyone sees him run around and they're gonna 890 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: fall in love with that part of it. But uh, 891 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: there's some stuff and I see it on a weekly 892 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: basis with Tyson Campbell down in Jacksonville. Really good. It 893 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: was close. Um, I think better. I like Ringo a 894 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: little bit better. But they're they're kissing cousins. I mean 895 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: they're very similar similar. Yeah, they're they're very similar. And 896 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: how they play he I thought I thought Ringo could 897 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: find and play it. Ringo's problem to me was so 898 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: many times he wasn't even in phase, like he just 899 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: got turned inside out and some of the separation. I 900 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: thought Tyson Campbell was always in phase. But they're never 901 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: find the ball. He's still he still has a tough 902 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: time finding the ball. Like he would be perfect position. 903 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: The ball is up in the air and it's you're 904 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: yelling ball, ball, ball, and he just can't. He just 905 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: can't locate it, just can't find it. So he misses 906 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: and gives up maybe some touchdowns just because he's a 907 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: hair off in terms of locating the ball. Ringo is 908 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: an interesting athlete though. Up top, I think the question 909 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: will be like people have about like Joey Porter. It's 910 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: funny because he's long and ranging those things, and you 911 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: let naturally think he's more of his own corner. But 912 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: they play him in a bunch of pressed man at 913 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: Penn State. Now, if we're scouting the helmet. One of 914 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: the things that forever don't take a Penn State cornerback, 915 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: and so maybe he can break the mold. But forever 916 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: I was just conditioning. Yeah you play clinic pen Steak. 917 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: Don't like they had a hard time having success in league. 918 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: But he's talented, obviously, has bloodlines, He's been around the game, 919 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: so he's a really good player. Detroit has the corner 920 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: what is it, a warrior or whatever from Penn State, 921 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: I think has been a solid player. Give me, I 922 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: give me a good Pennce Staate corner right there. That's all. 923 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to help Penn State out. I want 924 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: pen Stead. I go back to the days of Zemidas, 925 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: Allen Zamidas. Oh yeah, that's way old school man GM 926 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: Christmas back. Like I just remember, remember all those guys 927 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: are playing here, you know, let's get the safeties. Brian 928 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 1: Branch who by the way, I mean, we don't do 929 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: it on our list, but like he's a Nickel. I 930 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: mean all those guys on my list are Nickel. That's 931 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They all are Nickels. Like everyone got 932 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,919 Speaker 1: Antonio Johnson, uh from A and m jow you're brown 933 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: from Penn State. Uh, Jamie Robinson from Florida State, and 934 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: then Jordan's Battle Alabama. Those your top five. Yeah, Um, 935 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: I think one you have to know going in these 936 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,240 Speaker 1: guys are nickel players. That position is a different position. 937 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: I think I may even have to list it out, 938 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: like now we have corners, we have slot corners, and 939 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: then we have safeties because everyone is using a hyper 940 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: player there, I will say this, uh, now more than ever, 941 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: we're getting very experienced players that uh you can evaluate 942 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: in the slot. Before we never could evaluate guys. We 943 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: always had to project guys. So this gotta be a 944 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: good nickel. Whenever we see guys playing, they're playing it. 945 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: There's physicality, they're they're blessing off the edge. You can 946 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: see him in space making uh cover plays and so 947 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a good group. It's a group that could 948 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: come in much like uh was the Dax Hill last 949 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: year from Michigan that went to Cincinnati. Um has some 950 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: has some traits in those things. You will see a 951 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: bunch of these guys kind of jump in. And even 952 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: though Hill didn't play a prominent role last year for 953 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: the Bengers, you already know he's gonna go in to 954 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: be a sub package defender and have an opportunity to 955 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: get on the field right away, no doubt. Um, that's 956 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: a good list. Actually, Jay, your Brown's one kind of 957 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: the more I watch him, the more I'm I'm pushing 958 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: him up. Really good player there from Penn State. All right, Buck, 959 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 1: we went long today, but it was fun going through 960 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: your list again. Go to NFL dot com slash Buckey 961 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: Brooks you can find the rest of this list. We've 962 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: got a scoot. I hope you guys have enjoyed this. 963 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna have more draft content coming your way as 964 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: we inch ever closer to the NFL Scouting Combine. We 965 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,919 Speaker 1: also want to let you know that next week we're 966 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: gonna release our baseball episode because we've got spring training 967 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: that's kicking off, and so we're gonna take a little 968 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: pause from the draft stuff. And I think you'll enjoy 969 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: some conversations we had at the Winter meetings a few 970 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: weeks back. We got a chance to talk with some 971 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: general managers in baseball. It's always fun to go cross 972 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: sport and UH and see what we can learn and 973 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: take away from baseball UH that can help us with 974 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: building a football roster. So be on the lookout for 975 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: that uh. In the meantime, we appreciate it and we'll 976 00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: see you next time. Right here on moving sticks. Got 977 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: to go to Lott, Got to go to Lott.