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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shah. I am
Speaker 2: your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proproud of Club Shasha,
Speaker 2: and the guy that's stopping by for conversation no drinking
Speaker 2: today is Emmy Award winner comedian actor, voice, actor, writer, producer, musician, director, author,
Speaker 2: Been in the industry almost forty years. A friend of mine,
Speaker 2: Tommy Davison, Talmy, How you doing, bro, I'm.
Speaker 1: Doing long, long, long, long time. Wait skip what you skip? Skip?
Speaker 1: Skip skip?
Speaker 2: I love you that we never skipped scarp scap skip
Speaker 2: for real, for real skip skip already for real? Already
Speaker 2: you know we're in.
Speaker 1: We're in, We're in. Goodness, You're thankful stopping. That's love. Man.
Speaker 2: You you lightening it up. You like the scoreboarding. I
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Yeah, you got your start. One of your
Speaker 2: first gig you had at the Comedia. You performed in
Speaker 2: the strip club. How you telling Joe's looking at their booty?
Speaker 2: You see that? That was the darkness? You see that,
Speaker 2: you see that.
Speaker 1: First one? Crap? You actually actually actually that was my
Speaker 1: friend Howard Man up in my neighborhood. We grew up
Speaker 1: in the same project. We knew each other since we
Speaker 1: were eight, and we lived pretty a rough neighborhood, you know.
Speaker 1: And I had got a job at a Romata Inn
Speaker 1: when I was nineteen as an assistant chef, as a chef,
Speaker 1: as an assistant yet, right, but I got paid, you know,
Speaker 1: paid proparably with that right at nineteen. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: called Howard and I said, Howard, you know I got
Speaker 1: this job at the Reminter Inn. And Howard said, you
Speaker 1: about the stupidest I'd ever seen in my life. You
Speaker 1: can be in Hollywood writing your own ticket. You can
Speaker 1: be like Eddie Murphy, do your own movies, do all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Like you just mad. And I got a job, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's like, nah, man, you
Speaker 1: should be on the stage. I don't want to hear nothing. Right.
Speaker 1: So he called me and said, hey, I got He
Speaker 1: called me on my phone at home. When you have
Speaker 1: cell phone, you know, I got you an opening to
Speaker 1: go down to the Penthouse to do a show. I'm
Speaker 1: like the Penthouse. The Penthouse is the worst strip club
Speaker 1: in the world. Okay. The girls got bullet holes in
Speaker 1: the ass, The guards that are out front got shirts
Speaker 1: on the that's say on the back, don't shoot them, okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I ain't going down there. He said,
Speaker 1: he gonna give you five minutes, you know. So he
Speaker 1: comes over to my house in February's freezing. I got
Speaker 1: my dots and beat two ten. Ready, boom, the radi
Speaker 1: rat of breaks. Right, the radiator breaks. He gets right
Speaker 1: back on the bus like nothing, I'll be back next week.
Speaker 1: He comes back next week. My radiators fixed said let's go.
Speaker 1: So we go down to this club and you know,
Speaker 1: the manager comes out, you know, says him, and know
Speaker 1: he's liked, yeah, that's my man. You know you got
Speaker 1: five minutes, man, And so I'm going, well, Howard, what
Speaker 1: do you want me to do? He said, I don't
Speaker 1: care what you do, just get on that mic and
Speaker 1: say something. I was, all right, I got up here.
Speaker 1: Had you worked out anything?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, he just said, he just said, hey, he knows
Speaker 1: me from the first thing. I said. They laughed, and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with you now.
Speaker 2: It was like that, did you all did you always
Speaker 2: want to be and show biz because you took a
Speaker 2: job as an assistant shif Were you running away from this?
Speaker 1: What was going on?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a singer. That was my thing.
Speaker 1: I started with the Jackson five, and I played in
Speaker 1: bands and I was I had grown men coming over
Speaker 1: and asking my mom can he come and gig in
Speaker 1: our band? So that was my thing. I was gonna
Speaker 1: be big music star. I didn't really like comedy that much.
Speaker 1: I like Prior because he'll make you laugh no matter what. Right,
Speaker 1: But I'm a big fan of Ohio players and the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and that was my whole steelo. I watched Carol Burnett
Speaker 1: and I'm into the music, right, and so it didn't
Speaker 1: look like that was gonna happen. You know. When I
Speaker 1: got about fourteen, I want to do what everybody else did,
Speaker 1: you know, like play football and played basketball and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. Well that ended when I was fifteen because
Speaker 1: I went because I went away for one summer. One
Speaker 1: summer and I came back and everybody everybody was bigger.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about three times my size, and and I
Speaker 2: went in there to one practice and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 1: So that career is over, right. And so I always
Speaker 1: had singing, and that's one of my weapons that I
Speaker 1: have in my arsenal right, you know, but comedy, I
Speaker 1: didn't know I really had it. I found out because
Speaker 1: the teacher would go, oh, so you're the comedian, right,
Speaker 1: you going down to the principal's office. Okay, you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna put up the Black Power fis and we're
Speaker 1: doing the national anthem, you know. So the comedy came
Speaker 1: out of my mother, who's white, right, and my family,
Speaker 1: who's white, who comes down to the elementary school and
Speaker 1: says he'll learn the national anthem. Right. She used to
Speaker 1: like to do this. But that's all he knows about himself.
Speaker 1: He knows say it loud. I'm black and I'm proud.
Speaker 1: He knows who he is, right. But you can teach
Speaker 1: him anything because he'll pick up on it. So that's
Speaker 1: that's I just was just funny because I love happiness.
Speaker 1: I love laughing, and I come from the laugh in
Speaker 1: his neighborhood in the world in DC Summer Hill, and
Speaker 1: we we will tear you up right. So it was
Speaker 1: already there, but a lot, a lot more was there
Speaker 1: than I can ever imagine. So were you a class clown?
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was a class clown?
Speaker 2: On on on?
Speaker 1: Or were you trying to get attention? No, I was
Speaker 1: a class clown on on steroids. Okay, I didn't have
Speaker 1: to get no attention because I finished it, finished my
Speaker 1: work so fast that then I was just like I
Speaker 1: was just balling, you know what I mean. It's it's
Speaker 1: like I loved to see people happy, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like the teacher would go, hey, I'll be
Speaker 1: chewing gum when you you know, she said, hey, do
Speaker 1: you have enough gun for everybody?
Speaker 2: Else?
Speaker 1: I go, She'll do got to hear juicy fruit plenty pack,
Speaker 1: get out of here. You know, I had all the answer,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And so my timing was
Speaker 1: already h impeccable. You know, I watched everybody do everything,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know they were even impressions. That's the
Speaker 1: reason why my mother kept saying, man, shut up. I
Speaker 1: did Algira boom boom, damn. She'd be she said, could
Speaker 1: you shut that up? Until she saw him on TV?
Speaker 1: She said, do that again? You know, so that that
Speaker 1: that was me anyway, you know, stallone was my husband.
Speaker 2: Why you're living around my house? My house statement the
Speaker 2: ready stage, Mick, I never asked you for no favors.
Speaker 1: Had me to fight to fight, I'll fight, the fight
Speaker 1: will be there Mick and it's just stuck like and
Speaker 1: I can and I don't really practice. If I hear
Speaker 1: something long enough, it's gonna register, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like Obama, I couldn't get him, so I said, just
Speaker 1: shut up and just listen to him. Next thing you know,
Speaker 1: he was on trade shop and he's having a good time.
Speaker 1: He's enjoying the warmth of the fireplace. The only thing
Speaker 1: missing here is some marshmallows. And you have Somers in here,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not talking about the
Speaker 1: comedian Somemore. I'm talking about Smarts. So from the script club,
Speaker 1: then you start doing what? Yeah, then I started doing.
Speaker 1: I opened up for singers. I didn't get to a
Speaker 1: club for a year. So Patty LeBell saw me. She said,
Speaker 1: you're incredible. Kenny g saw me, he said you're incredible.
Speaker 1: Fred Jackson saw me. You're incredible. Luther Vandross and need
Speaker 1: A Baker went on their tour because I did singing
Speaker 1: impressions too, you know, and that's what helped me a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, Rick James, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I love you just the same now, Rich I love you.
Speaker 2: Beeby Bebi be Babeba never read don't play no games,
Speaker 2: you know, so.
Speaker 1: I can go hard, right, and so that's what it was.
Speaker 1: But people were saying, you need to play in the clubs, right, right,
Speaker 1: And I'd never been in the club. The first night
Speaker 1: I went to a club, Sinbad was in town. Right,
Speaker 1: Sinbad had won Star searchmember all the time. Yes, So
Speaker 1: all the comments were at one club in DC. That's
Speaker 1: the night I met Martin and Dame Chappelle for the
Speaker 1: first time. Wow, we're all from the same city, right,
Speaker 1: And so that's the point I started working clubs. But
Speaker 1: the big break was I won the Apollo. I didn't
Speaker 1: win it right, but I want it right, you know
Speaker 1: I got. I don't know how you fixed an audience.
Speaker 1: The dude did it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: There was a singer Day Pizza and there was me
Speaker 1: and you do it by applause. So the guy goes
Speaker 1: day Pizza, the Tommy davis.
Speaker 2: Day pieces Tommy dayson and then he goes, all right, guys,
Speaker 2: all right, do you want Tommy Davidson from Washington, DC?
Speaker 2: Or do you went Dave from New York City? And
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you got you out of there?
Speaker 2: So how did you so you go from that and
Speaker 2: you auditioned. You were the first to audition for a
Speaker 2: living color correct. I was the first to get the part.
Speaker 2: Wow to get the part. My audition didn't go too well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I heard you, Bob, I heard you based, You're right,
Speaker 2: I based.
Speaker 1: But I based that on the look in their face
Speaker 1: when I was done, because I was going up the
Speaker 1: room and it was like, hey, man, see ron Man,
Speaker 1: so what what did they ask you to do?
Speaker 2: So? So you going in for an auditional live right? Income? Right?
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know what improv was, right, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm going to try to improv, right. So they
Speaker 1: asked me crazy questions like you're drunk Puerto Rican cab driver, right,
Speaker 1: trying to talk to your customers, you know, eco, if
Speaker 1: you want the who, if you want the well down down?
Speaker 1: I don't go down down, you know. And now I
Speaker 1: did all these things quick and it was over. That
Speaker 1: was the audition I didin' getting no feedback, and it
Speaker 1: was over the reason why I got it because I
Speaker 1: was so strong in stand up. I was so strong
Speaker 1: in standing. I had that football principal right, you know. Repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition,
Speaker 1: and then stuff starts becoming like an instinct. Right. So
Speaker 1: I was thirtieth that night at the thirty of the
Speaker 1: hottest comics in the business, Legozamo, Jim Carrey, everybody, Jamie found,
Speaker 1: everybody wanted the show, right, and there I was right thirtieth. Okay,
Speaker 1: and as I'm on the sidewalk because I never watched
Speaker 1: other other comedians, you know what I mean, I just
Speaker 1: kind of did my own thing. And my manager kept
Speaker 1: coming out and going, you can't do this bit because
Speaker 1: somebody did that one, right, And then they come out
Speaker 1: again and say, you can't do that bit because such
Speaker 1: and such did that one. So my show was getting
Speaker 1: a little bit shorter shorter as I go, but I
Speaker 1: was confident in what I had because we always worked.
Speaker 1: We worked on comedy with a discipline. My manager had
Speaker 1: to stop watch. I know how much two minutes is
Speaker 1: six minutes is an hour forty six minutes two minutes,
Speaker 1: you know, just by running through my stuff, and I
Speaker 1: knew my stuff really really well. I hated it. I
Speaker 1: hated it that he take me out to the pool
Speaker 1: and make me work on my stand up when no
Speaker 1: one's around and get the time in But I'm glad
Speaker 1: he did. Did you know that you were a part
Speaker 1: about to be part of history now? Now? Not at all.
Speaker 1: I knew that the real thing about the whole thing
Speaker 1: was I actually was about to go home.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I had had enough of Hollywood. Man, I've been here.
Speaker 1: I kicked ass for three years in the clubs I had.
Speaker 1: I had a job back home, I had. I had
Speaker 1: a selica GT A seventy eighth that I got from
Speaker 1: my mother's credit union. And I still had my beach
Speaker 1: ut and I had an apartment, you know, with water wall,
Speaker 1: carpet and a cat, you know, and plenty of roaches though,
Speaker 1: I mean, are you mine? You just take the hamper
Speaker 1: and shake it out in the street every couple of months,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They love wicker, by the way.
Speaker 2: So so.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I came out here to and I
Speaker 1: was catching the bus right. You couldn't catch me on
Speaker 1: the bus alive, boy, because we used to go to
Speaker 1: do laundry on the bus, our groceries on the bus.
Speaker 1: Life was the bus. And we lived in the winter too.
Speaker 1: So I'm on the bus three a day, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: working up till one, I'm working up till till one
Speaker 1: in the morning, and I'm up at like five, right,
Speaker 1: Because once I get off around three years or something
Speaker 1: like that, I start at the clubs and we hit
Speaker 1: every club until no one was open no more. And
Speaker 1: they were saying to me for three years, and I
Speaker 1: was turning it out. They were saying, You're not what
Speaker 1: we're looking for. You're not what we're looking for. I mean,
Speaker 1: so what were they looking for? Well, it looked like
Speaker 1: all the white comments weren't getting that comment, and they
Speaker 1: weren't get getting standing ovations. So I surmised that it
Speaker 1: was that, you know, and some things to me are
Speaker 1: like societal rules that are in between the rules. Like
Speaker 1: I used to be late to school. My sister looks
Speaker 1: like Cidey Brady, okay, all right, my brother looked like
Speaker 1: David Cassidy. I mean, I'll got be old, all right,
Speaker 1: But I'd go to school late and she go to
Speaker 1: school late. And the punishment for that was you have
Speaker 1: to sign up for detention. She used to be able
Speaker 1: to go straight to class and I had to sign
Speaker 1: up for the t So here come my mother again.
Speaker 1: I used to think she was crazy. She came sat
Speaker 1: down with the principal, who was black. She said, okay,
Speaker 1: so what the is the problem here? And he was
Speaker 1: going work, what's going on? Miss David? So what's going
Speaker 1: he said? She said, why does my daughter get to
Speaker 1: go to class and my son have to sign up
Speaker 1: for detention? And he said, well, we didn't know that
Speaker 1: was your daughter. Man. She said, why does that make
Speaker 1: any difference?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And he said, we'll get that straight. We'll get that straight.
Speaker 1: But my mother does this, man, I said. She said,
Speaker 1: you're coming with me today and I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: here come one of these speeches. She took me to
Speaker 1: the park. She sat me on a picnic bench, me
Speaker 1: and her. She will talk to me. She said, I
Speaker 1: need you to know something about the world you live in. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's going to bother you, but it's a fact. She said,
Speaker 1: your sister can actually be late, but you can't. If
Speaker 1: you want to be successful in this rule, in this world,
Speaker 1: you can't be late at all. It's just the way
Speaker 1: it works, you know. And I hated that. I wanted
Speaker 1: to cry, but she was right. So I thought it
Speaker 1: was that rule. I just connected to that. But I
Speaker 1: kept going and I started getting more and more I
Speaker 1: won at the Comedy Store because finally I got a
Speaker 1: shot in the main room. Right, okay, this is the
Speaker 1: big night. Prior's there and Rich's there and everybody plays
Speaker 1: that room, you know. And I got a call from
Speaker 1: the Comedy Store and they said, you're in the main
Speaker 1: room tonight and I said, oh, okay, who am I
Speaker 1: hosting for? You're like, who am I bringing on MC?
Speaker 1: And there was like, no, You're on the show.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I was like what okay? So then who am I
Speaker 1: hosting for? They said, no, you got thirty minutes. I said,
Speaker 1: I got thirty minutes. Never got that thirty minutes, but
Speaker 1: I could do an hour right right, thirty minutes. Who
Speaker 1: else is on the show? They told me Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: and Richard Pryor. It's just y'all three. Wow, okay, riches
Speaker 1: on first. It's two shows to night Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 1: Eddie goes on first the first show Friday, uh and
Speaker 1: and and on Prior to go second, and it's it's
Speaker 1: splip flopped for the other right right, And then the
Speaker 1: very next night it was the same thing. And how
Speaker 1: did I do?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: How did you do? Don? Friends? Is is Asberry Tarking
Speaker 1: then dropped back and hit his hit his receivers for
Speaker 1: eighty yards in the third quarter. But then, but then
Speaker 1: Larry Zoanka gave the Purple people the eater intergestion as
Speaker 1: he used his helmet as a batter. Ram, Okay, my
Speaker 1: old NFL film, you know what I mean? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like the interception with John Persinda. Yeah, that that
Speaker 1: the interception with with the with the with the David.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Because it was time. It was
Speaker 1: my time.
Speaker 2: How was it? You mentioned you got Jim Carrey, who's
Speaker 2: not Jim Carrey yet. You got Jamie Fox, who's not
Speaker 2: Jamie Fox yet?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: You mentioned John Lego Zamore. I mean there's so many.
Speaker 2: You got the Wighams, who would How was it? How
Speaker 2: did the egos mesh? How did you divvy up time?
Speaker 2: How did you determine who's going to do this kid,
Speaker 2: who's gonna be with that person, who's going to be
Speaker 2: with this person?
Speaker 1: Kind of like when you was with TD and and
Speaker 1: McCaffrey and now yeah and they had never running back
Speaker 1: out like he's coach now Tony Anthony Anthony Lee yet
Speaker 1: just kind of how you felt, you know, you got
Speaker 1: to play your game no matter what with the ball though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want the ball, but.
Speaker 2: If you haven't success, everybody's gonna there's enough of the
Speaker 2: pile of.
Speaker 1: Going around exactly exactly, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, when we got on that platform,
Speaker 1: everything counted, and Keenan was smart. He knew how to
Speaker 1: get the best out of this. He made us work
Speaker 1: against each other, not in a negative way. But if
Speaker 1: it's not funny, it won't make the show. Period. You
Speaker 1: got to work with the writers yourself and write your
Speaker 1: own sketches. You got to present your characters to us everybody,
Speaker 1: to the writers, to the producers, to the actors. You
Speaker 1: got to present it to everybody. You got to be
Speaker 1: funny in that room, and that goes on the show.
Speaker 1: Did you okay?
Speaker 2: Next, did you guys ever work together? Did you say okay, Jamie,
Speaker 2: hey check this out? What do you think about this?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 3: And this?
Speaker 1: Or did you get with Jim Carre said Jim, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this?
Speaker 2: David? David Alan grew also on that show, So did
Speaker 2: you guys get together? And says okay, I think we'll
Speaker 2: be great if.
Speaker 1: We do this. Yeah, but that happened with everybody in
Speaker 1: living color. That's why we're special because we did it
Speaker 1: with the cameramen, we did it with the makeup women,
Speaker 1: we did it with the wardrobe people. Everybody had everybody
Speaker 1: had a feedback. So when we were in when we
Speaker 1: were in rehearsal, we were all giving each other.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Man, Remember you said the chicken before
Speaker 1: you said no, don't say that. Don't don't say a
Speaker 1: Pelican or duth Man, save the chicken. The chicken. Then
Speaker 1: the chicken work, y'all right, So we're all in it together.
Speaker 1: We're all into it. But that one sketch that you're
Speaker 1: the lead of, that's your sketch.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So the more you were seeing what you know, what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: The more less you got the opportunity you get for
Speaker 2: the next episode to be up in the exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like, who told me? This is Lonzo Hotsmith? You
Speaker 1: know Lonzo? Yeah? Right, I told me. I said, you
Speaker 1: can probably play right now. I couldn't. Well, I could
Speaker 1: probably play right now. I could probably play. I could
Speaker 1: probably play maybe a quarter, he said, But I ain't
Speaker 1: got another training camp in me.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's like that, He's like do right, do right, do right,
Speaker 1: do right? People on your shoulder, the whole thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so it was that's what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: But how do you make how do you make it
Speaker 2: funny a second and third time? Because like normally, like
Speaker 2: say save that for the show, Y'll leave that on
Speaker 2: the cunning room floor. So how if somebody's heard it,
Speaker 2: because normally something is the only funny once, right, So.
Speaker 1: How do you like? Okay, and then make sure Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Kenny did that and he created a monster.
Speaker 1: So he said, y'all get one take. You know, the
Speaker 1: rest of it is yours. Don't never tell us that
Speaker 1: we improved everything from that first take. Oh okay, it was.
Speaker 2: It was it.
Speaker 1: We had a competition going under the under the radar.
Speaker 1: What can I say that you haven't heard before? That's
Speaker 1: gonna make you laugh right in the middle of the sketch.
Speaker 1: And we was doing that constantly, constantly, So if you
Speaker 1: watch the show, Jim Carrey could be going, I just
Speaker 1: a fire and fire like it and think that do
Speaker 1: that again? Hold on, hold on. He caught a quick
Speaker 1: quick one hand and he did a quick out you see,
Speaker 1: and and you be over there going because I'm playing
Speaker 1: this serious guy, Benny, and he's supposed to be in
Speaker 1: my mansion, you know what I mean. But Jim Carrey
Speaker 1: when he gets hit by the sushers, by the emergency squad,
Speaker 1: he doesn't just go down like he's supposed to go
Speaker 1: down the floor, you know, and then get up and
Speaker 1: say his line, Tommy, I mean, Benny, I'm a FIREMUK show. Well,
Speaker 1: when he goes down, he goes, I'm a fireman.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now the director is saying cut stop at Jim, stop
Speaker 1: that we don't have time. We can't be I lost
Speaker 1: my cell or ever. We don't have time. You know.
Speaker 1: We got to get to the next thing. We're doing
Speaker 1: Take two an action okay eight times and I'm in tears.
Speaker 1: My eyes are swollen. Jim, you can't do it again,
Speaker 1: he said, I got to. That's how we were. We
Speaker 1: got so bad because Keena said, y'all can bust lose.
Speaker 1: He got to the point where he was coming back
Speaker 1: to us in the back and going damn. I got
Speaker 1: winded by that.
Speaker 2: Jim. Let me breathe for a second. He came back
Speaker 2: to the back and would say to us, you guys,
Speaker 2: we're gonna lose the show. We're gonna lose the show.
Speaker 2: If y'all keep doing that, We're gonna lose the show.
Speaker 2: I can't keep these sensors off of you.
Speaker 1: I can't. You guys got to help me. Man and
Speaker 1: he leave the room and we were like, yeah, right right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because that's why it was special.
Speaker 1: People got the real thing when you found out. Why
Speaker 1: do you think the show was canceled? I can only
Speaker 1: I can only imagine because Keen is the one that knows.
Speaker 1: But I just think that we weren't utilizing the whole cast,
Speaker 1: you know, we at the point we only utilized became
Speaker 1: m and certain players, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: it didn't take away from the talent the group. But
Speaker 1: that's what made the team, you know, So you know,
Speaker 1: it was the thing that made in Living Color the
Speaker 1: best was you didn't know what you were going to
Speaker 1: see because there was so many different variations. So they
Speaker 1: started seeing it in repetition, and I think what they
Speaker 1: asked and this is only me being there and watching
Speaker 1: and trying to be trying to be objective. They started
Speaker 1: asking for new episodes, like you got to give us
Speaker 1: something new, you know what I mean? Or we're going
Speaker 1: to run reruns, and so he didn't feel too good
Speaker 1: about that. That's his show, anyway, I would if I
Speaker 1: were him, I said, I don't know if you were
Speaker 1: to tell me what to do with my show, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. His job probably hard enough trying
Speaker 1: to get everybody in there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and then deal with us on the I mean we
Speaker 1: were hard. We were really hard, but we just wouldn't stop,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think that that's what happened.
Speaker 1: But I don't really know because I wasn't there. You
Speaker 1: were in the meeting with Fox, you know, I wasn't there, Pet,
Speaker 1: you know Pet Dante? Yeah, right, Dante ends up leaving Minnesota.
Speaker 1: All the players are like, hey, he was my best friend.
Speaker 1: We used to have an orthanage together. There was you know,
Speaker 1: I got introduced to the NFL years years ago, you know,
Speaker 1: I got I got an NFL thing. And he ended
Speaker 1: up leaving, And they said, well, what happened? He said, Man,
Speaker 1: I went and talks to the owner, and that was
Speaker 1: that he shared with some other people, you know, the
Speaker 1: inside of whatever happened. But you're not really going to
Speaker 1: know unless you were there. There, there wasn't podcast then
Speaker 1: where you can get and once it's over you can
Speaker 1: talk freely and I have to worry about you know,
Speaker 1: the good old boy network. But so you're down and
Speaker 1: none of that. You know, you can talk freely, but
Speaker 1: you have to keep something to yourself.
Speaker 2: Then how how much from what you guys did then
Speaker 2: would you be able to get away with? Now we
Speaker 2: probably be on the air for about we'd probably be
Speaker 2: on the air for about five minutes, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Because we just gonna go for it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna, We're gonna. We're gonna be canceled. You know
Speaker 2: by culture we canceled.
Speaker 1: Can cancel culture as soon as we know your air
Speaker 1: nerve and cancel culture. You flow on the moon like
Speaker 1: a balloon. Cancel culture. You know, never too late and
Speaker 1: it's never too soon. Take it to me, is all
Speaker 1: right to be canceled?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: But in truth it shouldn't happen to us?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Because how you gonna do culture? Cancel of us? How
Speaker 1: are you gonna cancel culture? We are culture? How do
Speaker 1: you cancel something you are? We're everything that you are? Right,
Speaker 1: we were emphasized gays, We emphasize on Mexicans, Asians, whites.
Speaker 1: We're a societal show that shows each and every aspect
Speaker 1: of the humor and the love that our country has
Speaker 1: that binds us, right, you see what I mean? And
Speaker 1: that's what made us really really good. There was really
Speaker 1: no division on the show. It was all black and white.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Black people, if you ask them in a consensus what
Speaker 1: their favorite shows are, they probably put Andy Griffith first.
Speaker 1: Uh Lucy Beverly Hill Billies, I can go on to
Speaker 1: Buying a Man. You know, it ain't just good Times.
Speaker 1: And you guys, white people, what was your favorite show?
Speaker 1: They probably put, Uh, what's what's the one of them?
Speaker 1: We're moving all up? Move. They put that first. They
Speaker 1: put the Jefferson first. They put good Time a good
Speaker 1: time for you know, we all are always laughed at
Speaker 1: the same thing. If we didn't, Al Joson would have.
Speaker 2: Never had a career.
Speaker 1: You know. Way back then, that's how everybody talked. It
Speaker 1: was an accepted thing with blackface, you see, And that's
Speaker 1: how that's that's how we got to that stage in culture.
Speaker 1: Was because them boys came home from Vietnam, right, We
Speaker 1: got bussing, women lived, got their live going, you know,
Speaker 1: Mexicans got their rights, you know, the farm pickers and
Speaker 1: that whole thing. It was just this whole culture thing
Speaker 1: that happened in the seventies where it was cool and hip.
Speaker 1: It was actually hip to know other people's culture, right.
Speaker 1: It actually was cool when you held hands with people
Speaker 1: and you said the word love and peace. Love and
Speaker 1: peace were in style, right right, the big old peace
Speaker 1: sign and right on, brother. You see that coming from
Speaker 1: both the hippies and and and us. You see. So
Speaker 1: we got to that point, right, and so this was
Speaker 1: an outgrowth of that where we were doing. We did Lucy,
Speaker 1: but we did at our style, right, you see what
Speaker 1: I mean. We did the Honeymooners, We did our you know,
Speaker 1: we did parodies of everything that we saw when we
Speaker 1: were kids, right, and everything that we saw in our
Speaker 1: Hollywood adult life movies Three Champs and the Baby, you know,
Speaker 1: me and Jamie used to do that, those two bodyguards
Speaker 1: right right. Uh so I thought, you you you you
Speaker 1: you you you ain't Tupac. And yeah, you ain't Tupac
Speaker 1: because if you tubac, you'd be coming here like like
Speaker 1: like Drake even here right. Well that was actually from Rainman.
Speaker 1: The sketchules called main man. So it's just a black
Speaker 1: version of Rainbter. So we were just reflection of what
Speaker 1: culture really is. And didn't it change everything? It did?
Speaker 1: Nothing's been the same, right, right? The corporations went to
Speaker 1: the bank right in the billions by now right, Gatorade, Nike,
Speaker 1: uh PlayStation what you know, went to the moon, right,
Speaker 1: the sneaker boom went. We were hip hop before hip
Speaker 1: hop got corporate. So we launched that revolution, and then
Speaker 1: we launched the revolution out in the suburbs where they're
Speaker 1: all white kids, a few black ones.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Then we launched a revolution in the inner city schools
Speaker 1: because those kids couldn't believe they were having that, and
Speaker 1: they were seeing themselves in roles, you see. So they
Speaker 1: probably could try to cancel culture us if we came out,
Speaker 1: But I don't think it would be nothing pretty right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And that's not what we
Speaker 1: were about, right you know, So if we can't talk
Speaker 1: about nothing, we might as well talk about nothing until
Speaker 1: a's alright to talk about something, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Do you feel Keenan gives the credit he deserves that
Speaker 2: family and what he a living color? You had to
Speaker 2: see it, you had to, I mean, back there, you
Speaker 2: you recorded it, or you found a way to get home,
Speaker 2: but you had to see what you guys were going
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Does he get the credit that he deserves? No, No,
Speaker 1: And even I give him credit that I didn't that.
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize until after the show. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how much of a genius he was when it
Speaker 1: comes to comedy. I didn't know his people's skills were
Speaker 1: so I mean amazing. Okay. As a producer, he was
Speaker 1: an unbelievable writer. He's unbelievable director. He'd already direct two movies,
Speaker 1: three movies to do. That show. His family make you
Speaker 1: jealous because when they see each other, even the guys
Speaker 1: kiss each other on the cheek when they see each other,
Speaker 1: I'm like that, you know, it's like hey brother, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, and they hug for a minute. You got
Speaker 1: what is this family? You know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: they had love too, you know, out of New York City.
Speaker 1: So he got a street sense, you know, but when
Speaker 1: college got a book sense, but he got his own sense,
Speaker 1: got good sense. His mom and his daddy hard working,
Speaker 1: you see. But it's his genius. I give you an example.
Speaker 1: We were doing. He asked me you know, we had
Speaker 1: to come up with stuff because she would get on
Speaker 1: the show. So say we do something. So he said, Tommy,
Speaker 1: sitting there everybody looking through this group, Tommy, do you
Speaker 1: have Michael Jackson's sketch? I said yep, And then my
Speaker 1: mouth was like I told him yes. He said I
Speaker 1: wanted tomorrow. I said, ooh. I ran upstairs. I grabbed
Speaker 1: the writer, man read and the writer wrote the song, out,
Speaker 1: wrote the sketch. Out. I called the guy who does
Speaker 1: all the music. I went right from the job to
Speaker 1: his house. We stayed up until six in the morning
Speaker 1: and record that thing. He recorded it, put it together.
Speaker 1: We took it in that afternoon. We put that sketch
Speaker 1: on his feet, you know, with all the stufff cameras
Speaker 1: and everything, you know, because Keenan had heard the song,
Speaker 1: he said, let's do it and set up all the
Speaker 1: other production stuff. So we're in there. I'm singing the
Speaker 1: song and walking through and then stop, do this part, stop,
Speaker 1: do this part, and we do all this stuff right.
Speaker 1: We're running plays right, just to get it in, get
Speaker 1: it in your you know, after the first snap, you
Speaker 1: got to run. It's in you, right. So this is
Speaker 1: when Kenny comes in. Keeny comes in when all that's done,
Speaker 1: and Keena just goes, do this, do this today. So
Speaker 1: Keena comes over, he goes, hmm, okay, Tommy, when you're
Speaker 1: when you're walking down the sidewalk from here to here,
Speaker 1: don't just walk anybody got any chalk. We're gonna put
Speaker 1: a hopscotch there for you see hopscotch from there to here. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then when you go down the rest of the
Speaker 1: rest of the sidewalk, you're gonna get to here, right,
Speaker 1: this is the edge of the sidewalk. So do we
Speaker 1: have a fan, one of those big giant fans. Yes,
Speaker 1: we do. We're gonna I'm gonna have a bunch of
Speaker 1: leaves and win just blow you back. Okay. When you
Speaker 1: go to hit the car window, don't just hit the
Speaker 1: car window, go.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: And then he came up with that last line. You know,
Speaker 1: he said, you know he might black and white, and
Speaker 1: Keena said, uh, you're under arrest. The police says you're
Speaker 1: under rest. And then I took at the chemera like
Speaker 1: it's hand black. Right. He just he just tops it off, right,
Speaker 1: he just tops it off. You knew somebody like that
Speaker 1: who don't get credit. And right, y'all wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: win nothing, right, Yeah, all y'all played regal football. All
Speaker 1: y'all were all yaard, just like any other team. Right,
Speaker 1: But he was able to find a way to make
Speaker 1: it work to get y'all working together and for y'all,
Speaker 1: for y'all to buy into your roles. Right, And look
Speaker 1: what happened twice I saw in that Atlanta game. Right,
Speaker 1: Atlanta came down twice, rap back back, They going for
Speaker 1: the third one. All right, we're coming in this first quarter, right,
Speaker 1: So they ran to play and Romanowski blitzed and just
Speaker 1: missed him by inch. Somebody on the sideline must and said,
Speaker 1: do it again, right, because they came and did it again,
Speaker 1: you know, wrong.
Speaker 2: Got them?
Speaker 1: Damn It changes the emotion on the sideline. You ain't
Speaker 1: look back at that momentum. That momentum came back. You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the same science.
Speaker 2: The writers on the show. How much credit does the
Speaker 2: writers get because you said a lot of what you
Speaker 2: did was between you and the writers, and so you
Speaker 2: guys have to be in sync. It's just like Rogers
Speaker 2: and Ginger Rogers and Fredi Staire Ye Yeah, she had
Speaker 2: the hardest job because she had to do what he
Speaker 2: would do it backwards. She had to do it in
Speaker 2: heals right, right, right, So they're writing this, you know, So,
Speaker 2: so how difficult was it their job? Because they've got
Speaker 2: to write according to you because what might be good
Speaker 2: for you might not be good for Jamie, right, David
Speaker 2: Allen Green or Jim carry Zamble.
Speaker 1: So how was that?
Speaker 2: And you're writing with different guys all the day.
Speaker 1: It's not the same writer, right, It's got to be
Speaker 1: a personal process, you know. The best best writers know
Speaker 1: all that, And so they'll do their own homework. You know,
Speaker 1: they'll go, They'll tell me, I didn't write this, But
Speaker 1: how would you say that? You know if you say
Speaker 1: that like that, because I'm thinking if you said it
Speaker 1: this way, then that would be the opposite of how
Speaker 1: you would say it. So, you know, and I'll say, well,
Speaker 1: let's try and both when we go to the rehearsal.
Speaker 1: If one don't work out the other one. They were
Speaker 1: there every inch of the way. When they stopped something,
Speaker 1: one of the writers would come in and go, don't
Speaker 1: forget that. You get that about the Purple Bunny Man.
Speaker 1: You can't forget that. Come on, man, it's killing like that.
Speaker 1: And so they were involved in it. I'll give you
Speaker 1: their credits. Okay, friends, mar Ten, how many shows are
Speaker 1: they responsible for? They actually were the executive They are
Speaker 1: actually the executive producers of the hottest and best shows
Speaker 1: that lasted the longest in Hollywood. Are writers?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: And we had a veritable difference in every writer with
Speaker 1: Franklin Najai. We had. We had we had black writers,
Speaker 1: White writers, Jewish writers, Spanish writers, with all kinds of writers, right, okay,
Speaker 1: and they were all and a lot of them were
Speaker 1: really really smart kids, right and went to college and
Speaker 1: with degrees. And this is the thing. So they're bringing
Speaker 1: a lot of they're bringing a lot of intelligence to
Speaker 1: the sketches, right, you know what I mean. They can
Speaker 1: match the intelligence, the natural intelligence of us. What we
Speaker 1: had to deal with with this country. We got to
Speaker 1: be real brilliant because we was like, well, we can't
Speaker 1: do nothing, but we got to do something right, and
Speaker 1: we get that something done.
Speaker 2: You know, they look at him, people say, well, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of nepotism going on because he had
Speaker 2: his brothers in, he had his sisters in. And I
Speaker 2: heard Marlon says like f F nepotism. He says, I'm
Speaker 2: doing this and if I can't putting my family on,
Speaker 2: what the hell am I doing it for?
Speaker 1: And it's true and he's right about it, and he's
Speaker 1: right about it. But let's just say, the receiver in
Speaker 1: the game is your brother, right, all right, and it's
Speaker 1: twenty five o'clock. You know, you got about two passeses
Speaker 1: going to him and he'll dropped everything from game on back?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Who you going to just because you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We're on the field and we're playing a game, right,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. It wasn't like they weren't
Speaker 1: doing their job and they were still getting roles. They
Speaker 1: were performing right, but they got a chance to play, right.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that were you know, we're
Speaker 1: Juco and should have been in the league and you
Speaker 1: know it, but it's a game. It's bigger than just
Speaker 1: the actual activity. So once I saw that and realize
Speaker 1: that if you're on the other end of it, and
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel so good because you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of it. With me personally, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be a part of the family, right, you know,
Speaker 1: And I am right. And I am the first thing
Speaker 1: his father said to me. His father loved me, his
Speaker 1: whole family loved me. I got a movie. I was
Speaker 1: the first one to get a big movie strictly business
Speaker 1: with Halle Barrier, right, right, sah. A lot of people
Speaker 1: were easy with that, and I was kind of like
Speaker 1: a man. But when I went to the premiere, it's
Speaker 1: me and Halle in in the limousine and we drive
Speaker 1: up and we get out, and the rope is there
Speaker 1: and all the people are there, and guess who's there.
Speaker 1: His father and his father go to me, Tommy, Tommy,
Speaker 1: Tommy Davison. Baby, he's proud of you, like he's a father,
Speaker 1: you a son.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Kingan treated me like he was one of his brothers.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going through trouble or whatever. He'll say, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta get that right. You know you work too hard.
Speaker 1: I froze up on my first sketch on the Living College,
Speaker 1: right because I realized I was on TV, so I'm
Speaker 1: ready and I'm this comic that came from DC, and
Speaker 1: I'm ready to do this sketch, right. And I saw
Speaker 1: the rid the red the red dot on the camera,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I turned into like a skull, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm there, you know they can Tommy Tommy, Tommy Tommy.
Speaker 1: And then finally Damon walked over to me. He put
Speaker 1: his arm around me. Man, he said, nigga, you work
Speaker 1: way too hard to get here. You over in that
Speaker 1: apartment with your baby. You know, I'll watched you in
Speaker 1: them clubs. All you got to do, just do it,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, And that's how that's how they are.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a half a dozen of one.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a tough process because you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to win the game, right, But the way that the
Speaker 1: game is played, you know, I don't care how you
Speaker 1: slice it. It's team right and rolls. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't get that stuff. I remember Denny Green when remember
Speaker 1: when the Vikings were packed. They had Chris, they had Moss,
Speaker 1: they had Robert you remember roberts Robertson. They had every
Speaker 1: Jordan at t they had that defense, They had everything, Pep,
Speaker 1: they had it all. They were the machine. And they
Speaker 1: lost in the first round of Phoenix, you remember that,
Speaker 1: And so they were broken because that was their year, right,
Speaker 1: they should have been in Atlanta, right, I guess so right,
Speaker 1: I guess they'd have been playing, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They lost to the Falcons in the championship game.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was Renal Cunninghall.
Speaker 1: Right, and that okay, And that hurt me because I'm
Speaker 1: a Minnesota fan. I'm that long story.
Speaker 5: So so how you gonna be they fan? You had
Speaker 5: just came in to our Super Bowl party? Man got hey,
Speaker 5: got a hey, man came pool, got out, budey Hey,
Speaker 5: I'm a player, pay me. That was Neil Smith.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Neil was like, that's my man, and that that's when
Speaker 1: I discovered. I learned through the players what the game
Speaker 1: really is. It's a freaking war, man. It ain't no joke.
Speaker 2: You look at Jim. We're gonna talk about some of
Speaker 2: the guys that came from the show. Jim, and he
Speaker 2: was as big. I mean, the rains that he has
Speaker 2: he's been tour the mask Truman Ship.
Speaker 1: I mean, you you get what he will think. Why
Speaker 1: haven't he been liar?
Speaker 2: Liar?
Speaker 1: Why hasn't he been as active recently as he as
Speaker 1: he was? I only know from my personal standpoint, he's
Speaker 1: done what he wanted to do. He's he's hit his pinnacle.
Speaker 1: He's made as much money as he can make or whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: I just know him as a person, one of my
Speaker 1: best friends, and he just wants to become a better
Speaker 1: person and do better things.
Speaker 2: He has he has.
Speaker 1: He's about him a tremendous motivation. Yeah, it's about what's
Speaker 1: going on on him and the inside, because he knows
Speaker 1: that those outside things aren't going to fix you. So
Speaker 1: he strives to just stay on what got him there, right,
Speaker 1: you know, knowledge of his family, where he grew up,
Speaker 1: you know, just just all of that stuff that counts.
Speaker 1: You know, when I got in some of my final
Speaker 1: not final interviews, but later when I had established myself,
Speaker 1: I would have people ask me, you know, what was
Speaker 1: your greatest accomplishment? And I started naming projects. Now I
Speaker 1: just say my greatest accomplishment was being Barbara Davis's youngest son,
Speaker 1: Tommy Wow, because that meant something. You know. My mother
Speaker 1: was the kind of woman that would like, you know,
Speaker 1: we was on welfare, you know, and and you know,
Speaker 1: you know we coming up, We're coming up the stairs
Speaker 1: with groceries, you know, and she would start giving the
Speaker 1: little kids food. Man, some of them were so small
Speaker 1: they could only carry one card and the milk you know,
Speaker 1: and I used to say, what are you doing? I
Speaker 1: used to think she was crazy, and she'd get up
Speaker 1: in my face too, you mean, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing it? Ask me what I'm doing? You got
Speaker 1: everything you need? I was like, yes, ma'am, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: proud to be her son, right because I still have
Speaker 1: that in me. She was trying to show me the
Speaker 1: universal law of exchange that if you give, you'll always
Speaker 1: have a close hand. Can't receive or give. So she talked,
Speaker 1: caught me that, and I realized that that's my greatest accomplished.
Speaker 1: But now I can get an iron you know statue.
Speaker 1: I'd like to have one, you know, without the smack
Speaker 1: and without the Digham smack. I know, we call it
Speaker 1: Digham smack.
Speaker 2: You almost got one? Yeah, I almost got one? Yeah before,
Speaker 2: Yeah you lot have been before. Hey bring it up.
Speaker 1: But what's try to do? Is this club sha shape?
Speaker 1: Yeah it is all right, it's cleb shache. So were talking.
Speaker 1: We tell it all right. He at the Laker games,
Speaker 1: what are y'all gonna do? And left them? Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah? Left? Hold on. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to forget that that that that's
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Okay, that's a long story South Carolina. Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me?
Speaker 2: So he had the edge of the car going what
Speaker 2: what Which one of y'all want something? It's like, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it ain't one of them.
Speaker 1: It's a whole. It's a whole.
Speaker 2: Just really quick about South Carolina? Okay, and I leave
Speaker 2: it alone over Georgia.
Speaker 1: I know he was from Georgia, Georgie. No, my brother
Speaker 1: went to South Carolina. Okay. No, y'all went from South Carolina. Okay,
Speaker 1: then ain't gonna talk about it. Okay, we're gonna put
Speaker 1: that back there. Okay, but I heard that there were
Speaker 1: more players in the league from South Carolina than anywhere. No,
Speaker 1: probably Texas, California, Florida, Georgia. We ended, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: What do you what are you?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, I do it. But it's like I forgot what
Speaker 1: I was saying. Where was I? Oh that it's trigger
Speaker 1: me again, Jim care And you see these grades right here.
Speaker 2: I got a feel myself, Well, you forgot to die
Speaker 2: before you came in.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to look your Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: put this on. It balances out, you know. If I
Speaker 1: don't wear this and I wear a white T shirt.
Speaker 1: You'll be going, we're doing a show with Bentley tonight.
Speaker 1: Cookie what is his name? Oh dude did the cookies?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you're famous. You got Dick Gregor here.
Speaker 1: But you were saying about right, That's when I realized,
Speaker 1: you know, that this wasn't about as much. You know,
Speaker 1: me and Jim, Me and I Will had a run in.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah aye, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't find out that for fifteen years because he
Speaker 1: never told me that. See, he came into that. He
Speaker 1: came into the trailer and I was sitting down right,
Speaker 1: He's standing over me like this, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, man, I appreciate that. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what you're talking about? I always know to play it off, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's told well, I'm sitting down.
Speaker 1: This was fifteen years later, or it was this was then.
Speaker 1: Then I didn't find out why. Well, okay, because asking
Speaker 1: him why then, but he wouldn't say nothing, right, And
Speaker 1: I'm going, what's going on, man? Tell me what's happening? Man?
Speaker 1: And since he was standing yeah, and I was sitting
Speaker 1: a real nice fella. I mean that that's that's about physics.
Speaker 2: Right right.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, man, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: I mean, hey man, he said, appreciate that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and Jada's going will will I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but I mean, what what's happening?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Now you tell me what's happening. You know, when the
Speaker 1: dude bottle lift about to do something, he might do something, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I did the I did
Speaker 1: the whole you remember the snake, Yeah, I did the snake. Well, well,
Speaker 1: what you know, and got up and then I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, so what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: And I was still in that prostut, so you didn't
Speaker 2: really know what he was actually talking about.
Speaker 1: But I know what he was doing. So I was like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, I mean, what's up? Just tell me
Speaker 1: what's up? Yeah, you know what's up? You know. So
Speaker 1: finally I just said, this is a small place and
Speaker 1: people are here, you want we should talk about it,
Speaker 1: me and you outside because it looked like you can
Speaker 1: need to get something off your chest, right, And then
Speaker 1: Jada was like, oh no, no, no, no, no y'all,
Speaker 1: no y'all. And I was like, what do you mean, Nah,
Speaker 1: y'all tell him, tell him? And that was the end
Speaker 1: of that, right, you see. And I never knew it
Speaker 1: wasn't until my book came out years later where I
Speaker 1: counted that as one of the things that really bothered
Speaker 1: me and hurt me bad, because I didn't know when
Speaker 1: I look up to him and I love him to death, So.
Speaker 2: You really didn't know why he was upset. You had
Speaker 2: no earthly idea that it was because of an on
Speaker 2: screen kids or a tip the kids or what was
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: No, you know, but I ain't know why when I
Speaker 1: was taking the subway up with my cousin uptown to
Speaker 1: the Bronx. I ain't know why when we were fourteen,
Speaker 1: and why these nineteen eighteen twenty year olders on the
Speaker 1: other side of the train and looking at us, going
Speaker 1: what what, We'll bust your ass what? I ain't know
Speaker 1: that neither. But I still was like, huh right, you know,
Speaker 1: waiting for that damn.
Speaker 2: So fifteen years later, how did you find out?
Speaker 1: This is how I found out. I put it in
Speaker 1: the book, you know, and I found out about you
Speaker 1: can't put something in the book about somebody unless they
Speaker 1: sign off on it right, right. So I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to put stuff like that
Speaker 1: in the book anyway, But I was trying to be
Speaker 1: real honest about my experiences so I can show that
Speaker 1: you can go through anything and still be successful, right,
Speaker 1: and still be a good person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I was able to do that. But it's not easy,
Speaker 1: you know, but you can do it, right. So I
Speaker 1: went to his best friend, Charlie Matt. You know Charlie Max.
Speaker 2: I remember the song Charlie Matt. Everywhere we go down
Speaker 2: town to a show, we have two necessities, Charlie Mack
Speaker 2: and the limo.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, that's like Charlie Ma. You're gonna see him at
Speaker 1: every game. If it's a super Bowl, it's it's if
Speaker 1: it's the Kentucky Derby, You're gonna see Charlie Mack. And
Speaker 1: that's Will's best friend. So I called Charlie and I said, Charlie,
Speaker 1: and what do you think about this? He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you do? You know Will Will cool cool? And Jada
Speaker 1: cool too. She said, you give me the quote and
Speaker 1: I'll send it to him, and you know, and they'll
Speaker 1: call you. They call you Tom. I send it to
Speaker 1: call me and Jada she said. They said, yeah, go
Speaker 1: ahead and put that in there. Go ahead and put that.
Speaker 1: And what I put was that I that I thought
Speaker 1: in the book. I thought the only thing that could
Speaker 1: be possible was The producers came to my trailer right
Speaker 1: when we were on the last scene and it's a
Speaker 1: kissing scene, and they said, the kissing scenes now, not
Speaker 1: later on tonight. We got to do that now. And
Speaker 1: I said, but I haven't rehearsed with Jada. That's the
Speaker 1: most important rehearsal that you can ever have your lips
Speaker 1: on a female on screen. And so I was like,
Speaker 1: we never got a chance to work that out. You
Speaker 1: can make it look real if she's working with you
Speaker 1: and everything right without kissing, right, And so I said,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I'm not doing that. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it. They said, well, we'll ask her. So it
Speaker 1: went and came back. She said, just go for it.
Speaker 1: And even then I was like, I ain't just gonna
Speaker 1: go for it, you know, but I know I have
Speaker 1: to make it look real. So I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: it look real. And she's kind of uncomfortable about it, right,
Speaker 1: you know. But we got through it, and you never
Speaker 1: could tell. That's all I wanted, right, was to get
Speaker 1: it to play into the film. Right, that's all we want, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you at T one wrong block right. I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all you know it ain't like the receivers out here,
Speaker 1: all the glory all is blocking, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So you got to do it right, right. So I
Speaker 1: got it in there, And so they called me and said, hey,
Speaker 1: that is what happened. Wow. Yeah, And I didn't find
Speaker 1: out for that long. It was more than fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I was about back in two thousand, so it's more
Speaker 1: than that long, right, So I saw that side, you know,
Speaker 1: And there's nothing you can do in certain circumstances as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, the way that I grew up
Speaker 1: and saw things right, you know, I made it a
Speaker 1: good observation after trial by ass whipping right, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: when emotions is high, common senses at all time? Low? Yeah,
Speaker 1: common sense is at all time, and how low can
Speaker 1: you go? You see what I mean? So knowing that
Speaker 1: fact and just sticking on to what I learned when
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, you know, my brother and
Speaker 1: sister being white and me being black wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 1: To me until I found out I was black. I
Speaker 1: grew up in Fort Collins, Colorado, and Wyoming, Okay. Found
Speaker 1: in the trash, took it straight out there, and I
Speaker 1: thought I was a brown one of whatever we were
Speaker 1: because I saw litters. So a black cat can have
Speaker 1: a white one, a brown one, a stack of one.
Speaker 1: I thought we were born like that, and I'm a
Speaker 1: brown one of whatever we are. Right well, we got
Speaker 1: the DC King had just got shot. There were riots,
Speaker 1: and the black kids the next day were whipping our
Speaker 1: ass all day and they were saying, get the white cracker,
Speaker 1: and get the white cracker lover. This is the things
Speaker 1: I learned, right, you know, And I was I was going,
Speaker 1: this is stupid. So I went to my mother, I said,
Speaker 1: why are they attacking me? Seeing I like white crackers.
Speaker 1: I like gram crackers, Ram crackers. You don't gotta have
Speaker 1: water with it or nothing. You just chewing. Get you
Speaker 1: to the apple juice and you're good, white cracker. You
Speaker 1: be like swartz niggas in total recall, you know. So
Speaker 1: so I found that out, and then that's where the
Speaker 1: first time I heard the word nigga, you know. Okay,
Speaker 1: Because we moved to the suburbs. Then it was like
Speaker 1: kill the nigga. And I'm five, I'm riding my bike
Speaker 1: a whole truck of white boys barely getting in the door,
Speaker 1: people throwing stuff through the window. Nigga, this nigga that.
Speaker 1: So I went to my mom and I said, who
Speaker 1: are these niggas we gotta stay away from, you know, yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And she told me, she said it's one of her speeches.
Speaker 1: She told me, hey, that's what people are. Color called
Speaker 1: people your color when they don't like them. Said what
Speaker 1: color are you? She said, we're white. I said, know,
Speaker 1: you're beige because I learned my colors from the grounds.
Speaker 1: She said no, but that's what we call ourselves. And
Speaker 1: so I said, well, what does nigga means? She said, well,
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I mean. What is what is
Speaker 1: white cracker means? She said, that's what your people call
Speaker 1: our people when they don't like them. I said, well,
Speaker 1: what color are they? She said they're black. I said
Speaker 1: they're not, They're brown. I'm a brown one, and like, hmm,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's where my my whole as a child.
Speaker 1: That messed me up for a long time because I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that I was divided by my loved ones
Speaker 1: by the color. And I always thought that that was stupid.
Speaker 1: But it's real, right, you know, it's real. It's not
Speaker 1: really real because I am right about the litters and
Speaker 1: I am right about us. Because when we were in
Speaker 1: different civilizations and different colors. Anytime we would come up
Speaker 1: on another civilization that was a different color, the girls
Speaker 1: would go those guys look pretty hot, and the guys
Speaker 1: we go to them, girls look pretty hot, and dustly,
Speaker 1: we started mixing. It is the same thing. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Take a DNA strand you know that
Speaker 1: wasn't because we exchanged DNA all right, you know that's
Speaker 1: more like d and p's you just skip. I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm just I'm talking to him. You know, I
Speaker 1: better stopped it. I'm good. So but that but that
Speaker 1: was was the catalyst. And I think I found my
Speaker 1: purpose in all that, you know, And that's why I
Speaker 1: feel comfortable saying I'm her greatest accomplishment, because I believe
Speaker 1: I was. I think she did that on purpose, Jamie.
Speaker 2: I read that you and Jamie didn't always have the
Speaker 2: greatest relationship on set. Seemingly, you guys did a movie together.
Speaker 2: Did Booty call? So were you able to what what
Speaker 2: caused the friction and how were you able to get
Speaker 2: past it? I got shot out to Jamie, shout out
Speaker 2: to Jamie and prayers to you. Yeah, man, Jamie.
Speaker 1: I called him like, I'll make it a practice to
Speaker 1: be the first person to call with something like that.
Speaker 1: I called Still. I was one of the first people
Speaker 1: to call Still. She'll actually call me back, he said,
Speaker 1: thank you? You know what I mean? Because we was
Speaker 1: all like, what you kidding me? The number one due?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like never again? Like we
Speaker 1: was like, good God. But I compare it to you
Speaker 1: and Derek, You and dere Derek Thomas, both of y'all specimens,
Speaker 1: both of y'all special. Both y'all got speed. Both y'all
Speaker 1: can do what y'all do at the highest level. But
Speaker 1: on Sunday we thought that friendship out the window? What
Speaker 1: way out the window? Way out the window? Because it's
Speaker 1: a game as long as we remember that, you know,
Speaker 1: once the game is over and hey, okay, cool, But
Speaker 1: sometime we don't remember that, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It takes time and maturity to get to the point
Speaker 1: where you start seeing it Yeah. It was a game
Speaker 1: that was tied into my career, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we had our we had our back and forth,
Speaker 1: you know, we we had our negative, negative clashes.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things I observed about uh what Hollywood
Speaker 1: personalities sometimes experiences an inflated sense of self and are
Speaker 1: engaged in an extreme amount of negative competitivism. You put
Speaker 1: those things together and gee, you know, you know, look
Speaker 1: what happens. And I ain't got to point it out.
Speaker 1: You can see it in every every aspect of what
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I love that guy. He's like the funniest dude ever,
Speaker 1: you know, jealous at times because he's so sweet with it.
Speaker 1: He's sweet with it.
Speaker 2: Man, he could the way he see you know, I'm
Speaker 2: like metaled, I'm like man man. Obviously community man has
Speaker 2: range Range did that ray thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't ray, Oh yeah he did. He did
Speaker 1: when he was in the Movee with Tom Cruise. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: he was the catcher cab driver. All the stuff that
Speaker 1: he did is lovely and I'm a human. I want
Speaker 1: to do that too. You see somebody hoisting it right,
Speaker 1: you want to hoist it right, right. That's just natural.
Speaker 1: Good friend, of mine told me that's natural to do that,
Speaker 1: because it's natural to want something that somebody else has, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But just because I want because I want to have it,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I don't want you to have it.
Speaker 2: I just see you you got it, and I feel
Speaker 2: comfortable that I can get it.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. He said, the
Speaker 1: worst thing is when you don't want something for somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah yeah no, So that that propensity
Speaker 1: that's in me, I have to find ways to see
Speaker 1: it straight in balance. So I got asked by TMZ
Speaker 1: one time. Right, they came to me and they was
Speaker 1: totally rape. You know, Jamie's James kicking ass man. He
Speaker 1: just finished Sunday the Woman, Sunday, that that movie and
Speaker 1: this and that, No, the any given Sunday. He's over here.
Speaker 2: He's doing that, He's doing that and doing this. Man,
Speaker 2: he's doing all these things. Man, you know, how do
Speaker 2: you feel about that? And I said, I said, I
Speaker 2: beat him in Ping Pong seven and nothing skunk, and
Speaker 2: he put the paddle down, he won't go no more.
Speaker 2: And I played and I lost him, lost him, lost him,
Speaker 2: lost him, lost him. Two seasons in a row overtime
Speaker 2: ping pong games. Finally I got my touch. Now, oh
Speaker 2: you got your touch? Wrap, skunk, let's go again.
Speaker 1: Down. You see what I'm saying. It's like as as
Speaker 1: silly as that, for real as that. You know, what
Speaker 1: does it really mean? You know, if if I was,
Speaker 1: if I was to judge my success on somebody else's success,
Speaker 1: I sure I am looking at my blessings limited right, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: I do know exactly what you mean. Yeah, Because and
Speaker 2: my thing is is that I hate I hate when
Speaker 2: people say he or she didn't deserve that. Who are
Speaker 2: you to say God made a mistake with my blessing? Amy,
Speaker 2: you've heard that, Yeah, of course I have. Of course
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about a transformation I think you made. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think somewhere between the last Super Bowl and the
Speaker 2: next one you made a decision and it was I
Speaker 2: think it was a good one.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. You said football's over and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do me now. And the only rea, the only
Speaker 1: way I saw that was I saw a commercial on
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and I was like shocked. It was
Speaker 1: like about an investment company or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, chausy, but you had the dialogue down right.
Speaker 1: It's some stuff I can't even hardly say. You know,
Speaker 1: because you got three percent, you got three percent this
Speaker 1: and that, that, that and the other thing that you
Speaker 1: had your hemming on calculator, how do you go to
Speaker 1: the pre ratio? No, nothing like what you know? And
Speaker 1: then watched it and watched it and watched it grow.
Speaker 1: I thought that that was the period between that last one, right.
Speaker 2: I remember doing the commercial and you know, they did
Speaker 2: let me add live, they let my person out me
Speaker 2: and I, you know, when you and you're doing it,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not thinking that. I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 2: doing the thing, and I just remember the producing and
Speaker 2: director and everybody said, man, that was don'tbelieve you, the
Speaker 2: unbelievable job.
Speaker 1: You don't realize how good you did.
Speaker 2: And then when the commercial actually came out and to
Speaker 2: have people say that I did a good job, and
Speaker 2: then people, you know, I walk by and people say,
Speaker 2: do you know how to calculate the pe ratio? And
Speaker 2: that's kind of like, okay, I might, I might could,
Speaker 2: I might could do something like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did it, you know where we're at. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's our internal calculators add up our own
Speaker 1: stuff from internal experiences, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I saw it like that, you know, and I just
Speaker 1: think it's it's you know, for me, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a wonderful world because I'm here. You know, it ain't
Speaker 1: no guaranteed. You know, a lot of beautiful, great things
Speaker 1: happened like the Denver years for me because not only
Speaker 1: was I invited by one of my best friends to
Speaker 1: give the ring ceremony twice, I have I known you
Speaker 1: the midic Fani.
Speaker 2: They are they are no, but they became my favorite
Speaker 2: team for a couple of years. They did.
Speaker 1: How can you not you did? How can you you
Speaker 1: a ride a lot? Listen, I'm in I'm I'm in
Speaker 1: the booth with bowling right, meatballs on the request right,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing one of the cheerleaders. I'm in there with
Speaker 1: her parents, Pat's booth. They calling me, Neil, calling me chicken.
Speaker 1: He called me at you know you're gonna be the
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the Monday night game with Oakland, right,
Speaker 1: come on on the field. Right. So you know those
Speaker 1: were my NFL years. But I learned something too that
Speaker 1: the the game doesn't stop on Sunday. It stops on
Speaker 1: Tuesday because y'all go straight from there early monastrat to
Speaker 1: the gym. And I was like, why are you arresting?
Speaker 1: You know, and Marcus Allen taught me this. Marcus said, well,
Speaker 1: this is the work down. You know. You can't be
Speaker 1: up that far and then let all that stuff. You
Speaker 1: beat them pulled something, so they work you work it
Speaker 1: back up, and then you're rested so it can get
Speaker 1: in place, you know what I mean, working and working
Speaker 1: on stuff, working on fields, all of that, right, and
Speaker 1: then Tuesday, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean I was so I remember
Speaker 2: we played Mike the Dolphins on a Monday night and
Speaker 2: we ended up, you know, getting back. I think we
Speaker 2: arrived back by the time we got to the plane
Speaker 2: and got back, I think it was probably six thirty
Speaker 2: seven o'clock. And so it's already Tuesday, and I normally
Speaker 2: come in on Tuesday anyway. Okay, so I just changed
Speaker 2: worked out and then went home. Okay, That's how focused
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: Hold on.
Speaker 1: I know about Georgia boys, Willie.
Speaker 2: God yeah, yeah, Willie from Griffin Fridge and his brother
Speaker 2: who Fridge and his brother you know, no day from
Speaker 2: ak in South Carolina. Okay, see, I'm getting it. I
Speaker 2: thought I was a negrologist. I got some. I got
Speaker 2: Willie gall Herschel Walker, George Rogers. Those are the guys
Speaker 2: that you would know. Obviously. Cam is from Georgia. Champ
Speaker 2: Bailey from Georgia.
Speaker 1: Question where Dale Carter from?
Speaker 2: Dale Carter is from He's from Georgia.
Speaker 1: Where did Dale place? I don't know what DC played at.
Speaker 1: Where did d Georgia? Though? Yeah? He he from Georgia.
Speaker 1: Tell me he wasn't the coldon shut down? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm the color shut downs in the league. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't know what now, damn Lovedal?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think Dale and Dale. I think Dale is one
Speaker 1: of the one of the best man him and Everson
Speaker 1: Wallas Boy. Anyway, when you're doing that, you see j Lo.
Speaker 1: She starts as a fly girl and now she's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest stars. Did you did you?
Speaker 3: Did you?
Speaker 1: Could you project?
Speaker 2: Could you see that Jim and Jamie and j Lo
Speaker 2: and and John Leblzambo? Could you could you foretell that
Speaker 2: they were gonna be that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I could, because because I know that anything
Speaker 1: is possible in that business if you're talented it, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's the it's the other stuff that has to
Speaker 1: line up. They have to line up, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, there's the there's all these industries.
Speaker 1: There's publicity. There's the agent industry. Right, there's a management industry.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: There's the studios, there's the networks. There's all this stuff
Speaker 1: that you know, you got to do right. You got
Speaker 1: to do right and the next step and the next
Speaker 1: step and the next step to get to that point.
Speaker 1: So it's possible to do you know, it's possibly because
Speaker 1: you can navigate it. It's persistence and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But I never knew that some of them would stop
Speaker 1: talking to me when they got to that point. Man.
Speaker 1: So I never knew that because I was always curious,
Speaker 1: you know how you did it?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: I study, you know, like, so we had the number.
Speaker 2: When you was on working on Living Color, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they becomes something else. And now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, no longer.
Speaker 1: All remember her. I was like, you know, I remember
Speaker 1: seeing her and this ain't no j LO bashing because
Speaker 1: she's crazy talented, come on, can't put none on her.
Speaker 1: And she's a great actress too, you know. But but
Speaker 1: we used to hang out with me her my asks.
Speaker 1: We used to go to dinner together, you know. And
Speaker 1: I met her with Keenan that strictly business because he
Speaker 1: brought her in my trailer. I was doing a movie
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is that? Right? And then
Speaker 1: she showed up to be a fly girl and she
Speaker 1: worked her ass off. She worked her ass and she
Speaker 1: was every day and she was messing around with scripts.
Speaker 1: I was like, this girl gonna be something. She was.
Speaker 1: So I saw her at the upfronts. It was me
Speaker 1: and Danny DeVito and he's like, there's all there's there's
Speaker 1: gentleman one place over there. You don't know it, right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I know her. So I go over
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, what's up girl? Shoot man? You
Speaker 1: blew it? What what is going on? She was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: so what's going on? What's going to? You know? Just living?
Speaker 1: Like you know, get some little carrot dip and I'm going,
Speaker 1: you know what's in that carrot dip? You know, because
Speaker 1: she's showed dipping my ass, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so so that happened once and then I was
Speaker 1: on a face break I had to look around and
Speaker 1: see if anybody saw that. Did anybody just see her
Speaker 1: for the hatchet through my forehead? Like hey, you know?
Speaker 1: And so we had the same manager at the same time,
Speaker 1: so I just avoided her because you never know what
Speaker 1: someone's going through that day. I could be misreading, right,
Speaker 1: you know. I always got to get the love that
Speaker 1: But that's from my profile from being the black and
Speaker 1: between the white and all that. So I'm needy in
Speaker 1: that way, I can admit that. But I do love
Speaker 1: love right, Well, she might be.
Speaker 2: Listen, you can only judge a person by the experience
Speaker 2: that you have half person. Right, she might be, she
Speaker 2: might be a great person to CJ and Hollywood. Ah
Speaker 2: my god, Jordan's right, but your experience and that that
Speaker 2: moment was my love was not great.
Speaker 1: Right, And so I gave it some time and stuff,
Speaker 1: And I never blamed the person, you know. I just
Speaker 1: try to try to work with myself, you know how,
Speaker 1: cause you hate you, You're right, you know. I had
Speaker 1: to work on that. And so we had the same
Speaker 1: manager at one time, and she was doing a video
Speaker 1: up and up and in the block. Jenny jam from
Speaker 1: the block block block block block block write that one,
Speaker 1: and so he said, why don't you go and visit
Speaker 1: her on the set, man, she would love to see you.
Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, that's all right, that's all
Speaker 1: right man. He's like, nah, man, come on, man, this
Speaker 1: is you. Come on man.
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, that's all right, man, that's all right,
Speaker 2: because one time is enough for me. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't got to steal another base. If it's Wow wanting out, hey,
Speaker 2: I'll get it. I'll wait till the next up. So
Speaker 2: I go down on the platform and there she is,
Speaker 2: you know, and I tell you the only thing that
Speaker 2: saved me. I walked down the platform and she was
Speaker 2: looking at the at the screens with all the rest
Speaker 2: of the dancers, you know, and Benny's all proud that
Speaker 2: he's standing.
Speaker 1: With me, you know, being a medemic, right yeah, yeah, yah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. He put the last name on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So him, man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I get down to the to the end of
Speaker 1: the thing and I look at her and Benny's going,
Speaker 1: come on, let you here, man. I'm like, alright, man,
Speaker 1: and I go Jennifer, what's up? And she goes.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 1: So that was like the last you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how she's gonna be when I see her next.
Speaker 1: But the next time I saw her, I avoided her
Speaker 1: right because I don't like feeling that way. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be around anybody. It makes me feel like
Speaker 1: I'm not You're gonna make me feel like I ain't important.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I worked at a hospital when I was fifteen, and
Speaker 1: everybody that worked there was black and were in the
Speaker 1: Korean War. All of them were veterans, you know, and
Speaker 1: they taught me everything. They taught me everything about cooking,
Speaker 1: everything about life. You know. Just imagine if they were
Speaker 1: like that to me, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: mean imagine that. You know. My math teacher, Mss Coleman,
Speaker 1: Jewish woman, lived down the street from the elementary school,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get my math right. She was like
Speaker 1: a substitute teacher, and she said, why don't you come
Speaker 1: up to my house? So I go over to the
Speaker 1: house after school and she would work with me on
Speaker 1: math and work with me on math and work. I
Speaker 1: was never that great in math, but I have more
Speaker 1: confidence about doing it. What happened if she hey, you know,
Speaker 1: so I just remember those things and that's just me
Speaker 1: as an individual. That's all. That's just what makes the
Speaker 1: furnace in me run, you know. And I delighted that
Speaker 1: people come to me and say, man, came to you,
Speaker 1: came to Afghanistan and you look at this. This is
Speaker 1: the picture. You know what I mean? Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: at your show in Kansas City, man, and my grandmother
Speaker 1: came in. You took some pictures of her and everything.
Speaker 1: She gone. Now, Man, but let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: That was one of her greatest moments.
Speaker 2: When I look when you look back at you look
Speaker 2: at the nineties, nineties might have been the greatest. Maybe
Speaker 2: the saventies because they have somebody children, but the nineties
Speaker 2: with Martin and Living Single and uh, living color. Will
Speaker 2: we ever see black TV again like we saw in
Speaker 2: the nineties.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But we'll see black TV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it won't be the same sensibility, right, you
Speaker 1: know you see black TV now, you know, see a
Speaker 1: bunch of rich black chicks with range rovers having a
Speaker 1: beautiful cocktail with Gucci purses.
Speaker 2: And we talked about the housewives.
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about nothing. I'm just saying. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you see shows like this and and so here you are,
Speaker 1: and they're there and they got it all, you know,
Speaker 1: the American dreaming. But yet it's like, bitch, I slapped
Speaker 1: your head off, you know, you know what I mean. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see it. We'll see a mini series that's a
Speaker 1: great one. It's a drama and it's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know. But but you'll you know, you'll see somebody's gun,
Speaker 1: the the the muzzle of the gum and someone's no.
Speaker 2: You know, you won't give it it now, you won't
Speaker 2: give it to me?
Speaker 1: Now give it to me? You know, Sorry about that?
Speaker 1: You know, that's what I'm I'm seeing. I'm seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of that.
Speaker 2: But no more was back then, no living single, no
Speaker 2: mark you were well, these shows were about about.
Speaker 1: The love about us, the love about the love about blacks.
Speaker 1: And now we are you know, we got to be
Speaker 1: loving and carrying based on the album. We were all
Speaker 1: we had, you see, we were all we had so
Speaker 1: and we were up against every odd you can imagine.
Speaker 1: We have no work incentive, you know, y'all lazy. Well
Speaker 1: what you gonna pay me? You know what I mean? Well,
Speaker 1: if I'm lazy, why you sit up on the porch
Speaker 1: with men and Julip and we out here picking how
Speaker 1: do I get your trait and I do your work?
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So we lived through all
Speaker 1: of that and are able to laugh and have joy
Speaker 1: because that's our survival. But that's also who we really
Speaker 1: are the first to forgive. You know.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: If you if a black bird, if a white person
Speaker 1: came to a black church, they leave their sanctified and
Speaker 1: full of food. You know, you might go to white
Speaker 1: church and be like, I don't know if I want
Speaker 1: to step in there. You know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: nothing about the people itself. It's just a certain spiritual
Speaker 1: aspect about us that came out of that tragedy. That's beautiful, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I love to see
Speaker 1: see different manifestations of that. So Martin, this couple that
Speaker 1: was trying to make their way in the world, you know,
Speaker 1: living single, these black women who were like best friends
Speaker 1: making their way in the world.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So, and what do we need most? We need help
Speaker 1: making our way in this world. You know, we know
Speaker 1: what the world is. You know, you got somebody shooting
Speaker 1: up kids in the school.
Speaker 2: Can't do nothing about it because nobody would get them
Speaker 2: from stop selling drug you know, all the stuff that
Speaker 2: we we see, but somehow there's this this this membrane.
Speaker 1: That keeps us all together, you know, right, you weren't
Speaker 1: see before with Chris Rock. What's your relationship with Rock?
Speaker 1: That's my man, that's where Man, we've been buddies for
Speaker 1: so far. Back we were the first ones here in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: It was me, Rock and Martin. We were the young ones.
Speaker 1: We were the young guns coming in here. Did you
Speaker 1: reach out to Rock when he went through that episode,
Speaker 1: We'll I did it. Hedn't called me back though, but
Speaker 1: he finally called me back, you know, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you probably I know what he was going through. So
Speaker 1: I was like, the first thing I thought about was
Speaker 1: in Mama. I said, Man, she about to kill somebody
Speaker 1: right now, you know, But.
Speaker 2: You're not surprised that he reacted the way that he did. Now,
Speaker 2: when Chris said what he said, right, do you think
Speaker 2: did you think it warranted that? No?
Speaker 1: But I ain't him, Okay, you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: looked at what he was up against as him about
Speaker 1: what I know about him, you know.
Speaker 2: But you said that day he might have just been
Speaker 2: having a bad day. That might not be the person
Speaker 2: that he is, But that was the person that he
Speaker 2: was that day.
Speaker 1: I think it was fear. Fear can do some things
Speaker 1: when emotions is high. Common sense at all time low. Right,
Speaker 1: this is the first time that they actually even acknowledge
Speaker 1: me to get it, Oscar. This is the one I
Speaker 1: did my best job at.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I've been on social media trying to be cool through
Speaker 1: this whole thing that's happening with me and my wife.
Speaker 1: I don't got to go into specifics. If anybody had
Speaker 1: a camera come in their house with them and their
Speaker 1: wife or them as a marriage, they would burn their
Speaker 1: house down to keep you out of their right because
Speaker 1: some things ain't nobody business, correct. So he's dealing with
Speaker 1: that and balancing his whole, his whole persona. He is
Speaker 1: Will Smith, right, he never gonna stop. He always gonna
Speaker 1: be the best. And to me, he's a winner, you know,
Speaker 1: and we do. Any of us has to have moments. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why the dude roll in sand. Let the first
Speaker 1: one throw the stone without the sin.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, if the whole world was out for we
Speaker 1: all be sitting here going, hey, give me some water,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I just thought it was fear.
Speaker 1: But that's just my take because it was all on
Speaker 1: the line. It was all on the line. It's like
Speaker 1: it was getting really hot. You know, A person jumps
Speaker 1: out of the World Trade Center at the one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighteenth floor, and you go, why would they do that?
Speaker 1: Because the pain got so intense. They didn't care. They
Speaker 1: just want to really fast, you know. And I thought
Speaker 1: that that's what really happened, was that he just was
Speaker 1: extremely frightened about not getting in at what people think.
Speaker 1: They're already thinking this thing, you know, and he I
Speaker 1: don't say, I wouldn't say he was wrong for being fearful,
Speaker 1: you know, but wrong for wrong for busting somebody in
Speaker 1: the mouth. And he did nothing to you, you know.
Speaker 1: Jada Pete can't put it on that no, no.
Speaker 2: No no, but her she heard I read when she
Speaker 2: cut filming short so you could actually talk to your
Speaker 2: birth mom.
Speaker 1: They're good friends, get okay, Jada from Jada's from one
Speaker 1: of my best friends. Yeah, you know, we're real, real tight, right,
Speaker 1: And she saw that something was wrong with me one day.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you know how you know people yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and so were about to do the scene and I'm
Speaker 1: laughing at joke, and she said, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: I said, what you talking about?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, girl, she said, something's wrong with you. What's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you're talking about? What's going on? She said,
Speaker 1: something's wrong? She said, come here, what's happening with you? Like, girl,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I said, I just met
Speaker 1: my real mother for the first time. She said, that's it,
Speaker 1: you guys, that's a wrap for the day. Go deal
Speaker 1: with that. Man. You can't be exposed to that right
Speaker 1: now and be normal under no circumstance. Go deal with that.
Speaker 1: So what was the conversation? Like with you? So? How
Speaker 1: long can you had never met your birth mother?
Speaker 2: Never?
Speaker 1: And so how old were you when this happened. I
Speaker 1: think it was probably about thirty four. So you have
Speaker 1: a conversation with your birth mother? How did that?
Speaker 2: How did so? What? How did conversation start?
Speaker 1: It was hard because she's like, hi, baby, and this
Speaker 1: that and the other, like this ain't my mother, you
Speaker 1: know instinctively, my gut, you ain't my mom, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And so we talked and it was
Speaker 1: really just kind of a kind of a house the
Speaker 1: sunshine and that kind of thing. It's really good to
Speaker 1: meet you, you know, And she's like, likewise, you know,
Speaker 1: stay in touch in that thing, did you? Ah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. But I went through a lot over that
Speaker 1: because it triggered some stuff in me that was from
Speaker 1: so far back. As long as I wasn't exposed to her,
Speaker 1: I never would have started experiencing the things I experienced inside.
Speaker 1: I started really experiencing like like using using anxiety, man
Speaker 1: like like low low low sadness and and and anxiety,
Speaker 1: and like I started feeling really crappy and and I
Speaker 1: didn't expect it either because my mom never told me
Speaker 1: she would go do that. My mom, she said, I
Speaker 1: got your mom on the phone, your real mom, and
Speaker 1: I found her randomly in the database because she worked
Speaker 1: at Housing Urban Development, so she saw her name and
Speaker 1: she said, this can't be her, and it was her.
Speaker 1: You want to talk to it? I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I want to say it now. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. So what question did you have?
Speaker 2: Did you have?
Speaker 1: Why did you give me up? Why didn't you keep me?
Speaker 1: We didn't get to it then. It wasn't until later later,
Speaker 1: you know, we did we actually did therapy together. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know, and we actually got to the point where
Speaker 1: I remember going to visit even I saw the whole family.
Speaker 1: So I was filled with george just to see people
Speaker 1: of my color that looked like me, looked like all
Speaker 1: my little kids. We got the same little nose and everything, right,
Speaker 1: So that was good to see. But I went over
Speaker 1: there just to really visit the family, right, and on Easter.
Speaker 1: Easter was the day my natural brother lost his life,
Speaker 1: died that day. So I was like, let me just
Speaker 1: go over there, give love to that, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a person of the world. And so as
Speaker 1: they were doing the prayers, she and she's a Baptist minister,
Speaker 1: so she goes around the country, you know, doing that,
Speaker 1: and so she's going to say the prayers, and during
Speaker 1: the prayers, she started saying Tommy was a hard baby
Speaker 1: to take care of. He had whelps all over his body,
Speaker 1: you know, and he would bleed over those and he
Speaker 1: cry a lot. It's hard to take care of it.
Speaker 1: And his mother stole her from him, from me, and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, that's not the time, right right right,
Speaker 1: So I'm there, yeah, man, that that it hurt, but
Speaker 1: I'm babba Davidson's son, though, right, So I just said,
Speaker 1: took a deep breath and I took over. I said, you, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think today is about that.
Speaker 1: You know, that was so long ago and the world
Speaker 1: was so different back then. You know, I'm the person
Speaker 1: that I am now, you know, and and who's so
Speaker 1: who from it doesn't even matter. It's it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a miracle really because here I am
Speaker 1: part of both of y'all. You see what I mean,
Speaker 1: And this is the day that we should be thinking
Speaker 1: about our man, his homegoing right. And after they dropped hands,
Speaker 1: I was like, I looked at my nephew, who I
Speaker 1: loved so much, and my bigger brother, who remembered me
Speaker 1: being left my only two only the two oldest ones
Speaker 1: remember me. The rest of them are like, you mean,
Speaker 1: my brother's don't live a color you crazy? They were
Speaker 1: crying like, oh man, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 1: When I first met him, and it was on Christmas,
Speaker 1: my brother like a big brother, could do you notice
Speaker 1: he walked me to the elevator. He told me, look
Speaker 1: at me right here, I'm your brother, your big brother here,
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, okay, you know that's it's
Speaker 1: one of them things that you got to you gotta
Speaker 1: give them that you ain't gonna you see what I
Speaker 1: mean that he meant it, and I left out of there,
Speaker 1: and then one of her sisters, one of my mother's sisters,
Speaker 1: stopped me at the stairs and said, good for you,
Speaker 1: good for you. Somebody need to tell her something, you know.
Speaker 1: I said thank you, and then we left, and then
Speaker 1: my nephew turned to me as we were driving, he said,
Speaker 1: you know what, Tommy, I think what happened just now
Speaker 1: is probably the best thing that ever happened to my family,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was able to convince her to
Speaker 1: come to therapy, you know, with my mother, and we
Speaker 1: did it and that's when it all came out. She
Speaker 1: was there in that kind of denial. And it was
Speaker 1: a family session, right, So all family families talk about
Speaker 1: their issues, and then they have a group of people
Speaker 1: that trust each other get feedback.
Speaker 2: On what she was trying to place.
Speaker 1: The blame r else other than right, right, And everybody said, Tommy,
Speaker 1: I'm named after her country girl, Tommy Jean.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So my mother gave me her name right right, And
Speaker 1: everybody was saying, hey, you know, it sounds like you
Speaker 1: blame it on him, and then that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: It all of them had feedback. So when it came
Speaker 1: back to her, it was like it was something to watch. Wow.
Speaker 1: She started trembling and she went into like a like
Speaker 1: a seizure like you know, and she was on herself
Speaker 1: and threw up and all that stuff. And then they
Speaker 1: came back and got her together, and she came back
Speaker 1: to the room and she told me what happened. Wow,
Speaker 1: she said, I was scared. She said, I was nineteen.
Speaker 1: I already had four kids. Wow. I was seeing a
Speaker 1: guy who was fifty something, who already had a family,
Speaker 1: and it was rich. He was rich in country terms,
Speaker 1: because I'm from Greenville, Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: So if you're an undertaker, you know you up with it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I was his chick
Speaker 1: on the side, you know. And plus I got I
Speaker 1: got strung out on heroin. So I was out the streets.
Speaker 1: I had the kids, and I was losing it, man,
Speaker 1: and I got scared. I got an opportunity to go
Speaker 1: to Detroit or to move the kids to Milwaukee, and
Speaker 1: I just left you. I just put it out of
Speaker 1: my mind. You know. She was crying hysterically, and then
Speaker 1: I saw her in that, in that state, and I
Speaker 1: was able to forgive her because I saw it. But
Speaker 1: you dealt with some issues of your own.
Speaker 2: Did that traumatic experience play a role in what you
Speaker 2: ended up having to deal with and what you had
Speaker 2: to overcome?
Speaker 1: I think it was all of it. It was it was,
Speaker 1: it was all of it. It was just my life
Speaker 1: up to that point, you know, And it was a
Speaker 1: meant to be processed that I had to go through,
Speaker 1: you know, to get to know God a little bit
Speaker 1: better and get to know what his intention was from me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I was going through like like the the bottom, you know,
Speaker 1: and I dealt with everything, drugs, drink, all of it.
Speaker 1: And I was in my in my bedroom by myself
Speaker 1: in the dark. All my good friends were like gone,
Speaker 1: like we can't, we can't watch this. So my friend
Speaker 1: God bless him in his family major brown from they
Speaker 1: from Tosa, Oklahoma. I never see no black folks like
Speaker 1: that ever. I never see I never met black black
Speaker 1: people from the South. Y'all were a revelation to me. Y'all,
Speaker 1: old y'all are whole different thing. Man, So they sent
Speaker 1: me a prayer I'll tell you how different y'all are.
Speaker 1: Major went, I went to visit his family, and his
Speaker 1: grandmother answered the door, right, she about ninety. She opened
Speaker 1: the door and she said to him, give it to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, she said, give it to me,
Speaker 1: and he's standing there. She said, come on, give it
Speaker 1: to me, and he did his Easter recital word for word.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's a different thing, you know. So they sent me
Speaker 1: a prayer cloth right from the whole family, prayed artist,
Speaker 1: you know. And I put it between my Bible and
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, man, it works, So I guess
Speaker 1: of whatever, right, right? And then his sister called me
Speaker 1: thing and I picked up the phone and she said,
Speaker 1: you know what, Tommy, She said, sometimes we just have
Speaker 1: to hang. We have to hang in there. We got
Speaker 1: to hang like he did in pain and have faith
Speaker 1: that it's going to pass.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: She said, you think that felt good? One here, one here,
Speaker 1: one here, and he's and his body weight is only
Speaker 1: holding him. You think that felt good? Crowd of throwing
Speaker 1: on his head, right, Even he doubted it, even at
Speaker 1: the point he was saying, what the hell right? But
Speaker 1: that faith right? Right, she said, sometimes we just got
Speaker 1: to hang in that pain. And I hung in it.
Speaker 1: How hard was it?
Speaker 2: Look, I'm a firm believer it's a lot easier going
Speaker 2: through something in private. You're a public person and you're
Speaker 2: going through your addictions a public figure in a public way.
Speaker 2: Did it make it more difficult? Did it make you
Speaker 2: a shame? Did it make you withdraw?
Speaker 1: Actually, in ways it did, but it didn't because I
Speaker 1: got to the point where it didn't matter. It wasn't
Speaker 1: about that. It's about me, right, It's about me being
Speaker 1: alive and me being able to enjoy what life has
Speaker 1: to give me. Because I really didn't know. My Auntie
Speaker 1: told me, you ain't know no better, you know. I
Speaker 1: remember going to her when I had a year sober.
Speaker 1: I said, all y, I got a year sober, and
Speaker 1: she said, now don't you feel better? Said? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel better. She said, that's all the matter is that
Speaker 1: you feel better. And she said, I got to go
Speaker 1: to the store, you know. So it was like one
Speaker 1: of those things where I had to dig in and
Speaker 1: do the work so that can keep the life I have.
Speaker 1: And I had to realize that it was good in
Speaker 1: the first place, you know, And there was a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff shrouding that stuff. That's why I wrote the book.
Speaker 1: I wrote the book because if I can do it,
Speaker 1: then others can. And if I be specific, that's why
Speaker 1: I don't go into the specific. And that's why I
Speaker 1: got my book, because it's a one on one experience
Speaker 1: when you read it, so you can get to it.
Speaker 1: And I also did the voice over so you can
Speaker 1: really hear one on one, you know. And that was
Speaker 1: my gift back to the good universe and to the
Speaker 1: God I know, and to all the love that I
Speaker 1: got from all the people you know that didn't even
Speaker 1: know me. You know, when I lived in when I
Speaker 1: when I lived in the Midwest, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I never heard the word nigga from a white person.
Speaker 1: White person. White people ain't the same. They' all don't
Speaker 1: think the same, they' all don't hate us. I don't
Speaker 1: care what nobody says. I'm speaking from my experience.
Speaker 2: That's all you can speak from.
Speaker 1: Right. How can I become me and not know that
Speaker 1: as a fact, right, right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So it just became a very important book for me
Speaker 1: because I realized that I can take all those experiences
Speaker 1: that I went that I paid for through through sadness,
Speaker 1: through despair and all of that, all of that, and
Speaker 1: let me put it in a book that they can
Speaker 1: grab and go through and maybe they can compare what
Speaker 1: they're going through, well what I was going through, like
Speaker 1: I did with books, like I did with stuff people
Speaker 1: gave me. Let me pass it on, right, let me
Speaker 1: pass it on, Mount Rushman. Who's your Mount Rushmore? Comedians me? No,
Speaker 1: it was Prior.
Speaker 6: Eddie Hm, Cosby, Fox j Red Jamie Red.
Speaker 1: We're talking about stand up, stand up comedy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: forget his name.
Speaker 2: Prior Fox, Red Red, No, Prior Fox Cosby Red.
Speaker 1: Red Fox is the same person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, well you know Richard p Yeah, Red Fox, Right,
Speaker 2: Bill Cosby, you got one more?
Speaker 1: I get one more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's about.
Speaker 1: Rushmore. You got four heads on about Rushmore. O'kay fine,
Speaker 1: uh no, not a bonus, nope, skip No, I'm just kidding, Skipper,
Speaker 1: give me bone. No man, hands be old too. You
Speaker 1: just can't see it.
Speaker 2: Uh So, So.
Speaker 1: Bernie, I'm gonna have to say, George Carlin, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to throw him in there.
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna go Chappelle.
Speaker 1: Oh man, But that's my contemporary.
Speaker 2: So you know what, that's the exact same thing. Smooth said, Damn,
Speaker 2: I had JB.
Speaker 1: Smooth.
Speaker 2: Then he said, man, it's great as Chappelle live. He'll contemporary.
Speaker 2: I can't put him up Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's
Speaker 2: not like but I put him up there because I
Speaker 2: don't understand that. Boy, I don't understand him. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm sweating by the end of the show because that's
Speaker 2: the way I do show. He can stand there and
Speaker 2: smoke a cigarette. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, it's something that about him and the times
Speaker 1: that we're in right where he's able to make everybody
Speaker 1: laugh during these circumstances, and that got to take a genius.
Speaker 1: You know, he grew up in my neighborhood, right in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood. Yeah, he used to be scared of us, right,
Speaker 1: like even still today. I'm like, that's a long time ago, man, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you know, we're always different.
Speaker 1: But it's just the amazing things that he can do.
Speaker 1: He can say some things that nobody can say. He
Speaker 1: tell a story, man, he can tell no one can
Speaker 1: say that, and he makes it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm saying, I guess there's truth that you know,
Speaker 2: there's truth in comedy, and he can tell he can
Speaker 2: tell a story truthfully and make it funny.
Speaker 1: Now he looks like Schegel. I'm just kidding, but but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm a big lord of the ring.
Speaker 1: That's alone has nothing to do it anyway. I like
Speaker 1: the name Schmigl anyway, so so so he's a he's
Speaker 1: a genius and all of them is right. Man. Every
Speaker 1: time I say I'm the best, I look at somebody
Speaker 1: and go, well, you know, you know, hey, you got
Speaker 1: some more work to do. Still, still, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's the process, right right, You add things on, you know,
Speaker 1: and you can always have room for growth.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm discounting your what you call them because of Murphy.
Speaker 2: Better be on my rushmore too.
Speaker 1: I put him, didn't I?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I put Eddie first, prior check the tapes? Did he
Speaker 1: put erdie? No? Didn't I say Eddie first?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I meant to say it first, though. You must be
Speaker 1: talking about Eddie Haskell much. I meant to say Eddie first, though. No,
Speaker 1: you didn't skip.
Speaker 2: No, No, Hey, I'm gonna get out of here.
Speaker 1: You got a few more, all right? P Diddy was
Speaker 1: your assistant?
Speaker 2: What kind of My sister was P Diddy, because you
Speaker 2: remember he had he had that reality show and then
Speaker 2: he trying to find the sisters. He worked, he worked.
Speaker 1: Don't work the dog at him. Man, you work? Nah, Nah,
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't have to. I didn't have to.
Speaker 1: He was a hard worker. He was smart as a whip.
Speaker 1: He's there for everything I need. We was out every
Speaker 1: night in New York. He shook me to every club
Speaker 1: and I knew he was gonna be something, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know it's gonna be like that. Yeah, I knew
Speaker 1: he was. That boy was smart. First thing he said
Speaker 1: to me was you got get rid of his widow's peak.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I ain't getting rid of a
Speaker 1: widow peak. He said, but when he get on the
Speaker 1: big screen, it's gonna look big. I said, Man, this
Speaker 1: is mine. This way I do my thing. Man, strictly
Speaker 1: business came on and I seen it. I looked like
Speaker 1: a vampire with a shark fin Yeah, okay, I was like,
Speaker 1: damn it.
Speaker 2: He was right, man.
Speaker 1: You know, he was sharp, and he's a cool kid,
Speaker 1: a cool kid, and straight up I saw him bus
Speaker 1: one of the one of the big Union dudes. In
Speaker 1: the face you know, because the Union dude was up
Speaker 1: on him. He tried to warn him, said, I'm just
Speaker 1: dropping his bags off. You gotta get that out of here.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just tired that I'm in assistant. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to drop his bag off. He said, get it
Speaker 1: out of here, and get it out of here. And
Speaker 1: now he said, well why am I? How am I
Speaker 1: gonna put it too? And the big dude lunch and
Speaker 1: he died, caught him with the corner of the corner.
Speaker 1: Corner corner in the corner corner corner opened him up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the corner was like, you know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like Denzel when he was getting whipped, you know in
Speaker 1: Chlory and the terror came out that side, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Right, Yeah, And he was calling around
Speaker 1: and he called me and said I can't get out,
Speaker 1: and I said, I come down there, and I just
Speaker 1: tried my influence and my name and all that. They
Speaker 1: said they let him out of his personal recognizance. And
Speaker 1: that's one person. He never forgot me never. We still
Speaker 1: we still like that. Wow. You know, he shortened me
Speaker 1: because I'm older than him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But shorty man, he's He's gone to a whole nother level.
Speaker 1: I wish I could talk to him sometimes. I wish
Speaker 1: we had that that that because I can help him
Speaker 1: to I see right, you know, but I think I
Speaker 1: can help everybody. But I wish I had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: But I do.
Speaker 1: I just can't choose who I'm gonna do it with
Speaker 1: right anything you like to promote. I know you're a musician,
Speaker 1: but you got a website. I got a website.
Speaker 2: What is it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you.
Speaker 2: Is your website Tommy Davison?
Speaker 1: My website is d Tommy Davidson. What the Tommy Davis
Speaker 1: dot com? As a matter of fact, so what is
Speaker 1: the website? What are you doing on the website? Everywhere
Speaker 1: you can get me? Everywhere. You can get my music,
Speaker 1: you can get my tour, you can get clips. I
Speaker 1: got a tie line. We've been meeting to bring you
Speaker 1: that ever since you got on TV. We got to
Speaker 1: send you some everything that I've done, sketches. You know,
Speaker 1: everything about me you can and it'll take you to
Speaker 1: It'll take you straight to TikTok, straight to Instagram. It's
Speaker 1: like my central central.
Speaker 2: Place, you know.
Speaker 1: And I've just been blessed. You know, I gotta I
Speaker 1: got a new single out. I know it's called I
Speaker 1: know my new song. I know with Richard Elliott, I
Speaker 1: broke it into smooth jazz. Who knows where I'm going
Speaker 1: to go next? You know, I've been able to get
Speaker 1: into the smooth jazz industry as a singer. When I
Speaker 1: saw Jamie as a singer, I was like, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: good because he broke it in. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: do that. But I had to find the right lane
Speaker 1: for me, right right, Like what does the coach bring
Speaker 1: to your to your teams? They bring their philosophy right,
Speaker 1: how they work it right, and then you guys kind
Speaker 1: of shape it with what y'all do you know when
Speaker 1: we did this at this school or whatever, they can
Speaker 1: modify it and not be too too rigid. Right, No,
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. And how many coaches that we've seen, yes,
Speaker 1: gone because this is the system that exactly. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of how how I looked at music. Where can
Speaker 1: I be most successful? Now? Where can I have it
Speaker 1: be something genuine you know and real about me with
Speaker 1: the music, and how can I help the listener? Okay,
Speaker 1: you know when I see her kids listening to what's
Speaker 1: going on in the radio now, I don't really see
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that can really help them grow
Speaker 1: and be and be much much stronger, you know, spiritually stronger,
Speaker 1: mentally stronger. I just don't see that happening in the
Speaker 1: music that's coming out of them. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do the music that's natural to me and just let
Speaker 1: it be, you know. I'm just stay in my lane
Speaker 1: and just do what I do and just let it
Speaker 1: kind of flower from there, because I've been a musician
Speaker 1: and a singer since i was a little kid, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I'm just I'm doing like Plexico did. Plex Goo. Uh.
Speaker 1: They had them an interview, right all.
Speaker 2: Right, plex Goo you you you shot yourself in the
Speaker 2: in the leg. You were in jail, you know, a
Speaker 2: whole year off. You hear in the super Bowl you
Speaker 2: catch the clutch, catch to close this thing out?
Speaker 1: What what what do you?
Speaker 4: What do you?
Speaker 1: What do you take for that? He said? I just
Speaker 1: asked God this morning, if you just get me to
Speaker 1: the field, I'll appreciate just that.
Speaker 2: Ray, Ray, you were up for a drug I mean
Speaker 2: the shootings. You were about to go to jail, as
Speaker 2: a whole season. The Patriots put up a thing, this
Speaker 2: your your party. You end up getting MVP and the
Speaker 2: big old dancing Hoiston. What are you attest to that?
Speaker 2: He said, Well, I knew God would have put me
Speaker 2: through such a trial unless there was.
Speaker 1: A tronymph behind it. I got brand new ears where
Speaker 1: I can hear, I can hear it. The Obannons won
Speaker 1: the national championship, right, and they were the last seed
Speaker 1: and all this, and they asked them, you know, how
Speaker 1: did you do this? And they said, we went this
Speaker 1: season by faith and not by sight, you know. And
Speaker 1: these are the principles that that I think are important
Speaker 1: for me. Right, But this is my society too, right, Right,
Speaker 1: because I'm Africa, just my cultural culturally African, and I'm
Speaker 1: an African American here doesn't mean I'm outside of humanity, right,
Speaker 1: I'm a part of humanity too. So why can't I
Speaker 1: speak on all our behalf? Everybody else do?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Exactly? I got I got some input, right, and it's valid. Right,
Speaker 1: you know, if I wasn't worth nothing, they wanted to
Speaker 1: have brought me over here.
Speaker 2: Here you go.
Speaker 1: We got it done, man, We got it done. That
Speaker 1: was years of passing each other. Man. Yeah, thank you man,
Speaker 1: thank you for let me talk. Man.
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing your story.
Speaker 1: You got it. Really appreciate it. Shay Shane, tell me Davidson.
Speaker 4: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle the price,
Speaker 4: want to slice?
Speaker 1: Got all my life? I've been grinding all my life,
Speaker 1: all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice. I should
Speaker 1: play the price. One slice to pull the dice.
Speaker 4: To swap all my life.
Speaker 1: I'd be grinding all my life.
Speaker 3: M hm