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A friend of mine, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.919 Tommy Davison, Talmy, How you doing, bro, I'm. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:41.920 Doing long, long, long, long time. Wait skip what you skip? Skip? 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.160 Skip skip? 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.480 I love you that we never skipped scarp scap skip 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:59.160 for real, for real skip skip already for real? Already 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:01.720 you know we're in. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.280 We're in, We're in. Goodness, You're thankful stopping. That's love. Man. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.519 You you lightening it up. You like the scoreboarding. I 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.080 appreciate that. Yeah, you got your start. One of your 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.400 first gig you had at the Comedia. You performed in 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.600 the strip club. How you telling Joe's looking at their booty? 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.400 You see that? That was the darkness? You see that, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:21.880 you see that. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:29.799 First one? Crap? You actually actually actually that was my 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.240 friend Howard Man up in my neighborhood. We grew up 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.360 in the same project. We knew each other since we 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.160 were eight, and we lived pretty a rough neighborhood, you know. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.720 And I had got a job at a Romata Inn 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.960 when I was nineteen as an assistant chef, as a chef, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.080 as an assistant yet, right, but I got paid, you know, 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.440 paid proparably with that right at nineteen. Okay, So I 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.640 called Howard and I said, Howard, you know I got 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.200 this job at the Reminter Inn. And Howard said, you 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.040 about the stupidest I'd ever seen in my life. You 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.000 can be in Hollywood writing your own ticket. You can 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.400 be like Eddie Murphy, do your own movies, do all 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.560 that stuff. Like you just mad. And I got a job, right, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.520 you know what I mean. He's like, nah, man, you 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.920 should be on the stage. I don't want to hear nothing. Right. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.080 So he called me and said, hey, I got He 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.560 called me on my phone at home. When you have 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.920 cell phone, you know, I got you an opening to 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.360 go down to the Penthouse to do a show. I'm 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.320 like the Penthouse. The Penthouse is the worst strip club 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.200 in the world. Okay. The girls got bullet holes in 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.040 the ass, The guards that are out front got shirts 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.320 on the that's say on the back, don't shoot them, okay. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.560 So I'm like, I ain't going down there. He said, 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.720 he gonna give you five minutes, you know. So he 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.240 comes over to my house in February's freezing. I got 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.560 my dots and beat two ten. Ready, boom, the radi 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.040 rat of breaks. Right, the radiator breaks. He gets right 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.400 back on the bus like nothing, I'll be back next week. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.120 He comes back next week. My radiators fixed said let's go. 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.200 So we go down to this club and you know, 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:11.080 the manager comes out, you know, says him, and know 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.920 he's liked, yeah, that's my man. You know you got 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.160 five minutes, man, And so I'm going, well, Howard, what 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.920 do you want me to do? He said, I don't 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.760 care what you do, just get on that mic and 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.360 say something. I was, all right, I got up here. 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.600 Had you worked out anything? 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:26.920 No? 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.680 No, he just said, he just said, hey, he knows 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:34.000 me from the first thing. I said. They laughed, and 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:35.720 I'm sitting here with you now. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.320 It was like that, did you all did you always 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:40.960 want to be and show biz because you took a 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.080 job as an assistant shif Were you running away from this? 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:46.400 What was going on? 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:46.960 No? 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.960 I wanted to be a singer. That was my thing. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.960 I started with the Jackson five, and I played in 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.840 bands and I was I had grown men coming over 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.480 and asking my mom can he come and gig in 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.720 our band? So that was my thing. I was gonna 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.320 be big music star. I didn't really like comedy that much. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.400 I like Prior because he'll make you laugh no matter what. Right, 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.040 But I'm a big fan of Ohio players and the Eagles, 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.560 and that was my whole steelo. I watched Carol Burnett 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.000 and I'm into the music, right, and so it didn't 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.280 look like that was gonna happen. You know. When I 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.440 got about fourteen, I want to do what everybody else did, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.200 you know, like play football and played basketball and all 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.120 this stuff. Well that ended when I was fifteen because 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.839 I went because I went away for one summer. One 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:35.360 summer and I came back and everybody everybody was bigger. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.840 I'm talking about three times my size, and and I 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.039 went in there to one practice and I was like, Okay, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:41.360 that's it. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:46.719 So that career is over, right. And so I always 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.200 had singing, and that's one of my weapons that I 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.480 have in my arsenal right, you know, but comedy, I 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.400 didn't know I really had it. I found out because 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.240 the teacher would go, oh, so you're the comedian, right, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.960 you going down to the principal's office. Okay, you know 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.720 you're gonna put up the Black Power fis and we're 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.560 doing the national anthem, you know. So the comedy came 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.400 out of my mother, who's white, right, and my family, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.960 who's white, who comes down to the elementary school and 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.920 says he'll learn the national anthem. Right. She used to 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.000 like to do this. But that's all he knows about himself. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.840 He knows say it loud. I'm black and I'm proud. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.240 He knows who he is, right. But you can teach 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.440 him anything because he'll pick up on it. So that's 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.280 that's I just was just funny because I love happiness. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.240 I love laughing, and I come from the laugh in 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.280 his neighborhood in the world in DC Summer Hill, and 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.120 we we will tear you up right. So it was 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.720 already there, but a lot, a lot more was there 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.040 than I can ever imagine. So were you a class clown? 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.840 I think I was. I was a class clown? 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:53.440 On on on? 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.560 Or were you trying to get attention? No, I was 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:00.320 a class clown on on steroids. Okay, I didn't have 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.800 to get no attention because I finished it, finished my 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.400 work so fast that then I was just like I 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.520 was just balling, you know what I mean. It's it's 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.840 like I loved to see people happy, you know what 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:12.920 I mean. Like the teacher would go, hey, I'll be 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.400 chewing gum when you you know, she said, hey, do 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:16.480 you have enough gun for everybody? 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:16.680 Else? 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.040 I go, She'll do got to hear juicy fruit plenty pack, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.880 get out of here. You know, I had all the answer, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.040 you know what I mean, And so my timing was 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:30.120 already h impeccable. You know, I watched everybody do everything, 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.920 and I didn't know they were even impressions. That's the 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.160 reason why my mother kept saying, man, shut up. I 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:43.079 did Algira boom boom, damn. She'd be she said, could 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.720 you shut that up? Until she saw him on TV? 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.439 She said, do that again? You know, so that that 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.559 that was me anyway, you know, stallone was my husband. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.280 Why you're living around my house? My house statement the 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.600 ready stage, Mick, I never asked you for no favors. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.000 Had me to fight to fight, I'll fight, the fight 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.880 will be there Mick and it's just stuck like and 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.760 I can and I don't really practice. If I hear 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.520 something long enough, it's gonna register, you know what I mean. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.439 Like Obama, I couldn't get him, so I said, just 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.760 shut up and just listen to him. Next thing you know, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.280 he was on trade shop and he's having a good time. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.800 He's enjoying the warmth of the fireplace. The only thing 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.520 missing here is some marshmallows. And you have Somers in here, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.880 you know what I mean. I'm not talking about the 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.839 comedian Somemore. I'm talking about Smarts. So from the script club, 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:45.920 then you start doing what? Yeah, then I started doing. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.319 I opened up for singers. I didn't get to a 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.800 club for a year. So Patty LeBell saw me. She said, 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.400 you're incredible. Kenny g saw me, he said you're incredible. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.760 Fred Jackson saw me. You're incredible. Luther Vandross and need 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.800 A Baker went on their tour because I did singing 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.760 impressions too, you know, and that's what helped me a lot. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:07.280 You know, Rick James, you. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.880 Know, Wow, I didn't know that. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.599 I love you just the same now, Rich I love you. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:21.000 Beeby Bebi be Babeba never read don't play no games, 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:21.840 you know, so. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.280 I can go hard, right, and so that's what it was. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.800 But people were saying, you need to play in the clubs, right, right, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:30.920 And I'd never been in the club. The first night 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.840 I went to a club, Sinbad was in town. Right, 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.880 Sinbad had won Star searchmember all the time. Yes, So 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.400 all the comments were at one club in DC. That's 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.640 the night I met Martin and Dame Chappelle for the 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.200 first time. Wow, we're all from the same city, right, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.520 And so that's the point I started working clubs. But 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.400 the big break was I won the Apollo. I didn't 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.000 win it right, but I want it right, you know 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.040 I got. I don't know how you fixed an audience. 0:10:58.360 --> 0:10:58.959 The dude did it? 0:10:59.440 --> 0:10:59.559 You know? 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.360 There was a singer Day Pizza and there was me 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.280 and you do it by applause. So the guy goes 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.959 day Pizza, the Tommy davis. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.880 Day pieces Tommy dayson and then he goes, all right, guys, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:18.840 all right, do you want Tommy Davidson from Washington, DC? 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.199 Or do you went Dave from New York City? And 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.079 I was like, what do you got you out of there? 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.439 So how did you so you go from that and 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.079 you auditioned. You were the first to audition for a 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:41.080 living color correct. I was the first to get the part. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.559 Wow to get the part. My audition didn't go too well. Yeah, 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.400 I heard you, Bob, I heard you based, You're right, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:50.240 I based. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.000 But I based that on the look in their face 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.000 when I was done, because I was going up the 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.480 room and it was like, hey, man, see ron Man, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:00.920 so what what did they ask you to do? 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.120 So? So you going in for an auditional live right? Income? Right? 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.280 I thought I didn't know what improv was, right, right, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.160 So I'm going to try to improv, right. So they 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:12.800 asked me crazy questions like you're drunk Puerto Rican cab driver, right, 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.439 trying to talk to your customers, you know, eco, if 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.600 you want the who, if you want the well down down? 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.599 I don't go down down, you know. And now I 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.360 did all these things quick and it was over. That 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.520 was the audition I didin' getting no feedback, and it 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.319 was over the reason why I got it because I 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.720 was so strong in stand up. I was so strong 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:40.280 in standing. I had that football principal right, you know. Repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.719 and then stuff starts becoming like an instinct. Right. So 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.640 I was thirtieth that night at the thirty of the 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:52.120 hottest comics in the business, Legozamo, Jim Carrey, everybody, Jamie found, 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:57.160 everybody wanted the show, right, and there I was right thirtieth. Okay, 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:02.520 and as I'm on the sidewalk because I never watched 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.120 other other comedians, you know what I mean, I just 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.199 kind of did my own thing. And my manager kept 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.600 coming out and going, you can't do this bit because 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.839 somebody did that one, right, And then they come out 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.000 again and say, you can't do that bit because such 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.600 and such did that one. So my show was getting 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.199 a little bit shorter shorter as I go, but I 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.360 was confident in what I had because we always worked. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.600 We worked on comedy with a discipline. My manager had 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.040 to stop watch. I know how much two minutes is 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.880 six minutes is an hour forty six minutes two minutes, 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:36.920 you know, just by running through my stuff, and I 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.480 knew my stuff really really well. I hated it. I 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.080 hated it that he take me out to the pool 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.000 and make me work on my stand up when no 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.720 one's around and get the time in But I'm glad 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.040 he did. Did you know that you were a part 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:53.319 about to be part of history now? Now? Not at all. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.200 I knew that the real thing about the whole thing 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.280 was I actually was about to go home. 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:01.160 You know. 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.240 I had had enough of Hollywood. Man, I've been here. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.960 I kicked ass for three years in the clubs I had. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.480 I had a job back home, I had. I had 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:14.000 a selica GT A seventy eighth that I got from 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.600 my mother's credit union. And I still had my beach 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.600 ut and I had an apartment, you know, with water wall, 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.440 carpet and a cat, you know, and plenty of roaches though, 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.840 I mean, are you mine? You just take the hamper 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.440 and shake it out in the street every couple of months, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.360 you know what I mean. They love wicker, by the way. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.000 So so. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:34.640 I'm you know, I came out here to and I 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.880 was catching the bus right. You couldn't catch me on 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.400 the bus alive, boy, because we used to go to 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.760 do laundry on the bus, our groceries on the bus. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.760 Life was the bus. And we lived in the winter too. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.400 So I'm on the bus three a day, Okay, I'm 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.520 working up till one, I'm working up till till one 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.320 in the morning, and I'm up at like five, right, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.480 Because once I get off around three years or something 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.000 like that, I start at the clubs and we hit 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:12.840 every club until no one was open no more. And 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.600 they were saying to me for three years, and I 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.720 was turning it out. They were saying, You're not what 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.920 we're looking for. You're not what we're looking for. I mean, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.200 so what were they looking for? Well, it looked like 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.840 all the white comments weren't getting that comment, and they 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:35.000 weren't get getting standing ovations. So I surmised that it 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.040 was that, you know, and some things to me are 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.920 like societal rules that are in between the rules. Like 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.480 I used to be late to school. My sister looks 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.840 like Cidey Brady, okay, all right, my brother looked like 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.240 David Cassidy. I mean, I'll got be old, all right, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.960 But I'd go to school late and she go to 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:55.640 school late. And the punishment for that was you have 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.080 to sign up for detention. She used to be able 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.920 to go straight to class and I had to sign 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.000 up for the t So here come my mother again. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.560 I used to think she was crazy. She came sat 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.840 down with the principal, who was black. She said, okay, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.480 so what the is the problem here? And he was 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.240 going work, what's going on? Miss David? So what's going 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.520 he said? She said, why does my daughter get to 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.080 go to class and my son have to sign up 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.760 for detention? And he said, well, we didn't know that 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.880 was your daughter. Man. She said, why does that make 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:22.640 any difference? 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:23.720 You know? 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.800 And he said, we'll get that straight. We'll get that straight. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.200 But my mother does this, man, I said. She said, 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:34.480 you're coming with me today and I was like, oh, man, 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.160 here come one of these speeches. She took me to 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.840 the park. She sat me on a picnic bench, me 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.440 and her. She will talk to me. She said, I 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.000 need you to know something about the world you live in. Okay, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.640 it's going to bother you, but it's a fact. She said, 0:16:53.760 --> 0:17:02.680 your sister can actually be late, but you can't. If 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.880 you want to be successful in this rule, in this world, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.200 you can't be late at all. It's just the way 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.800 it works, you know. And I hated that. I wanted 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.520 to cry, but she was right. So I thought it 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.399 was that rule. I just connected to that. But I 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:23.159 kept going and I started getting more and more I 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.359 won at the Comedy Store because finally I got a 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.800 shot in the main room. Right, okay, this is the 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.440 big night. Prior's there and Rich's there and everybody plays 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.080 that room, you know. And I got a call from 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.160 the Comedy Store and they said, you're in the main 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.320 room tonight and I said, oh, okay, who am I 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.440 hosting for? You're like, who am I bringing on MC? 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:45.720 And there was like, no, You're on the show. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:46.320 Wow. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.920 I was like what okay? So then who am I 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.000 hosting for? They said, no, you got thirty minutes. I said, 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.359 I got thirty minutes. Never got that thirty minutes, but 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.600 I could do an hour right right, thirty minutes. Who 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.119 else is on the show? They told me Eddie Murphy 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:06.679 and Richard Pryor. It's just y'all three. Wow, okay, riches 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.680 on first. It's two shows to night Friday and Saturday. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.680 Eddie goes on first the first show Friday, uh and 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.480 and and on Prior to go second, and it's it's 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.600 splip flopped for the other right right, And then the 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:28.080 very next night it was the same thing. And how 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:28.440 did I do? 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:29.840 What? 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:37.800 How did you do? Don? Friends? Is is Asberry Tarking 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.639 then dropped back and hit his hit his receivers for 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:47.560 eighty yards in the third quarter. But then, but then 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.439 Larry Zoanka gave the Purple people the eater intergestion as 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.560 he used his helmet as a batter. Ram, Okay, my 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.440 old NFL film, you know what I mean? Yeah, it 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.720 was like the interception with John Persinda. Yeah, that that 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.160 the interception with with the with the with the David. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.320 That's what it was. Because it was time. It was 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:08.840 my time. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.120 How was it? You mentioned you got Jim Carrey, who's 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.359 not Jim Carrey yet. You got Jamie Fox, who's not 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:16.240 Jamie Fox yet? 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:17.000 Uh? 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.800 You mentioned John Lego Zamore. I mean there's so many. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.280 You got the Wighams, who would How was it? How 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.520 did the egos mesh? How did you divvy up time? 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.920 How did you determine who's going to do this kid, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:31.879 who's gonna be with that person, who's going to be 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:32.600 with this person? 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.560 Kind of like when you was with TD and and 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.840 McCaffrey and now yeah and they had never running back 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.280 out like he's coach now Tony Anthony Anthony Lee yet 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.159 just kind of how you felt, you know, you got 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.720 to play your game no matter what with the ball though, Yeah, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:52.720 you want the ball, but. 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.119 If you haven't success, everybody's gonna there's enough of the 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:56.439 pile of. 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.320 Going around exactly exactly, you know what I mean. So 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.440 it's like, you know, when we got on that platform, 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.879 everything counted, and Keenan was smart. He knew how to 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.040 get the best out of this. He made us work 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.320 against each other, not in a negative way. But if 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:17.320 it's not funny, it won't make the show. Period. You 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.359 got to work with the writers yourself and write your 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.320 own sketches. You got to present your characters to us everybody, 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.760 to the writers, to the producers, to the actors. You 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.000 got to present it to everybody. You got to be 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.040 funny in that room, and that goes on the show. 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:32.760 Did you okay? 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.119 Next, did you guys ever work together? Did you say okay, Jamie, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.200 hey check this out? What do you think about this? 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:38.359 This? 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:38.600 And this? 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.159 Or did you get with Jim Carre said Jim, what 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:40.800 do you think about this? 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.719 David? David Alan grew also on that show, So did 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.320 you guys get together? And says okay, I think we'll 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:48.119 be great if. 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.080 We do this. Yeah, but that happened with everybody in 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.080 living color. That's why we're special because we did it 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.879 with the cameramen, we did it with the makeup women, 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.199 we did it with the wardrobe people. Everybody had everybody 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.480 had a feedback. So when we were in when we 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.359 were in rehearsal, we were all giving each other. 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:08.119 No, no, no, don't do that. 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.639 Don't do that. Man, Remember you said the chicken before 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:12.800 you said no, don't say that. Don't don't say a 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.040 Pelican or duth Man, save the chicken. The chicken. Then 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.200 the chicken work, y'all right, So we're all in it together. 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.400 We're all into it. But that one sketch that you're 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.119 the lead of, that's your sketch. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:22.479 Right. 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.440 So the more you were seeing what you know, what 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:25.879 I mean. 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.520 The more less you got the opportunity you get for 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.800 the next episode to be up in the exactly exactly. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.560 It's like, who told me? This is Lonzo Hotsmith? You 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.560 know Lonzo? Yeah? Right, I told me. I said, you 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.480 can probably play right now. I couldn't. Well, I could 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.360 probably play right now. I could probably play. I could 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.280 probably play maybe a quarter, he said, But I ain't 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:48.800 got another training camp in me. 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:49.480 Right. 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.719 It's like that, He's like do right, do right, do right, 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.280 do right? People on your shoulder, the whole thing, you 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.440 know what I mean. And so it was that's what 0:21:58.560 --> 0:21:58.800 it was. 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.800 But how do you make how do you make it 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.440 funny a second and third time? Because like normally, like 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.680 say save that for the show, Y'll leave that on 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.800 the cunning room floor. So how if somebody's heard it, 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.280 because normally something is the only funny once, right, So. 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.040 How do you like? Okay, and then make sure Yeah, 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.160 I think Kenny did that and he created a monster. 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.399 So he said, y'all get one take. You know, the 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.119 rest of it is yours. Don't never tell us that 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:33.200 we improved everything from that first take. Oh okay, it was. 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:33.920 It was it. 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.520 We had a competition going under the under the radar. 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.360 What can I say that you haven't heard before? That's 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.480 gonna make you laugh right in the middle of the sketch. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.159 And we was doing that constantly, constantly, So if you 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.879 watch the show, Jim Carrey could be going, I just 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.159 a fire and fire like it and think that do 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:57.040 that again? Hold on, hold on. He caught a quick 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.960 quick one hand and he did a quick out you see, 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.720 and and you be over there going because I'm playing 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.800 this serious guy, Benny, and he's supposed to be in 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.680 my mansion, you know what I mean. But Jim Carrey 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.159 when he gets hit by the sushers, by the emergency squad, 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.359 he doesn't just go down like he's supposed to go 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.800 down the floor, you know, and then get up and 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.880 say his line, Tommy, I mean, Benny, I'm a FIREMUK show. Well, 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:34.320 when he goes down, he goes, I'm a fireman. 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:35.320 Okay. 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:40.680 Now the director is saying cut stop at Jim, stop 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.840 that we don't have time. We can't be I lost 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:47.040 my cell or ever. We don't have time. You know. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:48.560 We got to get to the next thing. We're doing 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:59.600 Take two an action okay eight times and I'm in tears. 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.560 My eyes are swollen. Jim, you can't do it again, 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.760 he said, I got to. That's how we were. We 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.480 got so bad because Keena said, y'all can bust lose. 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:13.320 He got to the point where he was coming back 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.919 to us in the back and going damn. I got 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:16.480 winded by that. 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:22.080 Jim. Let me breathe for a second. He came back 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:24.679 to the back and would say to us, you guys, 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.880 we're gonna lose the show. We're gonna lose the show. 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:31.880 If y'all keep doing that, We're gonna lose the show. 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:34.159 I can't keep these sensors off of you. 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.879 I can't. You guys got to help me. Man and 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:45.080 he leave the room and we were like, yeah, right right, 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.080 you know what I mean, because that's why it was special. 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:53.320 People got the real thing when you found out. Why 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.240 do you think the show was canceled? I can only 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:59.960 I can only imagine because Keen is the one that knows. 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.320 But I just think that we weren't utilizing the whole cast, 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:09.119 you know, we at the point we only utilized became 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.600 m and certain players, you know what I mean. And 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.960 it didn't take away from the talent the group. But 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:19.600 that's what made the team, you know, So you know, 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.119 it was the thing that made in Living Color the 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.159 best was you didn't know what you were going to 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.399 see because there was so many different variations. So they 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.520 started seeing it in repetition, and I think what they 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.080 asked and this is only me being there and watching 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.919 and trying to be trying to be objective. They started 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:39.040 asking for new episodes, like you got to give us 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:43.600 something new, you know what I mean? Or we're going 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:47.400 to run reruns, and so he didn't feel too good 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.480 about that. That's his show, anyway, I would if I 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:51.919 were him, I said, I don't know if you were 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:53.879 to tell me what to do with my show, you 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:55.920 know what I mean. His job probably hard enough trying 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.639 to get everybody in there, you know what I mean, 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:00.600 and then deal with us on the I mean we 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.680 were hard. We were really hard, but we just wouldn't stop, 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.119 you know. And so I think that that's what happened. 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.800 But I don't really know because I wasn't there. You 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:17.359 were in the meeting with Fox, you know, I wasn't there, Pet, 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:24.160 you know Pet Dante? Yeah, right, Dante ends up leaving Minnesota. 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:26.880 All the players are like, hey, he was my best friend. 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.280 We used to have an orthanage together. There was you know, 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.359 I got introduced to the NFL years years ago, you know, 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:36.480 I got I got an NFL thing. And he ended 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.639 up leaving, And they said, well, what happened? He said, Man, 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.639 I went and talks to the owner, and that was 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:47.000 that he shared with some other people, you know, the 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.280 inside of whatever happened. But you're not really going to 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.439 know unless you were there. There, there wasn't podcast then 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:55.960 where you can get and once it's over you can 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.159 talk freely and I have to worry about you know, 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.600 the good old boy network. But so you're down and 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.720 none of that. You know, you can talk freely, but 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:04.280 you have to keep something to yourself. 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:09.760 Then how how much from what you guys did then 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.520 would you be able to get away with? Now we 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:18.480 probably be on the air for about we'd probably be 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.600 on the air for about five minutes, you know what 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.760 I mean? Because we just gonna go for it. Yeah, 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.600 we're gonna, We're gonna. We're gonna be canceled. You know 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:26.840 by culture we canceled. 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.760 Can cancel culture as soon as we know your air 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.080 nerve and cancel culture. You flow on the moon like 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:37.040 a balloon. Cancel culture. You know, never too late and 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.280 it's never too soon. Take it to me, is all 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.600 right to be canceled? 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:42.639 Okay? 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:47.800 But in truth it shouldn't happen to us? 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:48.080 Why? 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:55.159 Because how you gonna do culture? Cancel of us? How 0:27:55.200 --> 0:28:01.080 are you gonna cancel culture? We are culture? How do 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:05.560 you cancel something you are? We're everything that you are? Right, 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:12.720 we were emphasized gays, We emphasize on Mexicans, Asians, whites. 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.359 We're a societal show that shows each and every aspect 0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:19.560 of the humor and the love that our country has 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.560 that binds us, right, you see what I mean? And 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:24.960 that's what made us really really good. There was really 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.880 no division on the show. It was all black and white. 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:28.480 You know. 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.840 Black people, if you ask them in a consensus what 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:34.680 their favorite shows are, they probably put Andy Griffith first. 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:43.000 Uh Lucy Beverly Hill Billies, I can go on to 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:45.480 Buying a Man. You know, it ain't just good Times. 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:47.960 And you guys, white people, what was your favorite show? 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:51.000 They probably put, Uh, what's what's the one of them? 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:55.280 We're moving all up? Move. They put that first. They 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.040 put the Jefferson first. They put good Time a good 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.800 time for you know, we all are always laughed at 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:04.200 the same thing. If we didn't, Al Joson would have. 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:04.920 Never had a career. 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.920 You know. Way back then, that's how everybody talked. It 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:12.280 was an accepted thing with blackface, you see, And that's 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:17.000 how that's that's how we got to that stage in culture. 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.640 Was because them boys came home from Vietnam, right, We 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:24.560 got bussing, women lived, got their live going, you know, 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.800 Mexicans got their rights, you know, the farm pickers and 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.000 that whole thing. It was just this whole culture thing 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.840 that happened in the seventies where it was cool and hip. 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:38.080 It was actually hip to know other people's culture, right. 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.600 It actually was cool when you held hands with people 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:43.520 and you said the word love and peace. Love and 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.480 peace were in style, right right, the big old peace 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.880 sign and right on, brother. You see that coming from 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.680 both the hippies and and and us. You see. So 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.400 we got to that point, right, and so this was 0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:00.760 an outgrowth of that where we were doing. We did Lucy, 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:02.640 but we did at our style, right, you see what 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.680 I mean. We did the Honeymooners, We did our you know, 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:06.880 we did parodies of everything that we saw when we 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.120 were kids, right, and everything that we saw in our 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:14.840 Hollywood adult life movies Three Champs and the Baby, you know, 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.520 me and Jamie used to do that, those two bodyguards 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.400 right right. Uh so I thought, you you you you 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:24.120 you you you ain't Tupac. And yeah, you ain't Tupac 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.400 because if you tubac, you'd be coming here like like 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:33.840 like Drake even here right. Well that was actually from Rainman. 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.800 The sketchules called main man. So it's just a black 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:43.320 version of Rainbter. So we were just reflection of what 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:47.440 culture really is. And didn't it change everything? It did? 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.840 Nothing's been the same, right, right? The corporations went to 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:57.040 the bank right in the billions by now right, Gatorade, Nike, 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:01.640 uh PlayStation what you know, went to the moon, right, 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:05.880 the sneaker boom went. We were hip hop before hip 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:10.120 hop got corporate. So we launched that revolution, and then 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.640 we launched the revolution out in the suburbs where they're 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.560 all white kids, a few black ones. 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:15.440 Right. 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:18.840 Then we launched a revolution in the inner city schools 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:22.720 because those kids couldn't believe they were having that, and 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:27.320 they were seeing themselves in roles, you see. So they 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.800 probably could try to cancel culture us if we came out, 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.840 But I don't think it would be nothing pretty right, 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:35.800 you know what I mean? And that's not what we 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.719 were about, right you know, So if we can't talk 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:40.560 about nothing, we might as well talk about nothing until 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.680 a's alright to talk about something, you know what I mean? 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:47.560 Do you feel Keenan gives the credit he deserves that 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.160 family and what he a living color? You had to 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.480 see it, you had to, I mean, back there, you 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.880 you recorded it, or you found a way to get home, 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.040 but you had to see what you guys were going 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:02.360 to do. 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.880 Does he get the credit that he deserves? No, No, 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.360 And even I give him credit that I didn't that. 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.920 I didn't really realize until after the show. I didn't 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:18.200 know how much of a genius he was when it 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.560 comes to comedy. I didn't know his people's skills were 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:27.960 so I mean amazing. Okay. As a producer, he was 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:33.440 an unbelievable writer. He's unbelievable director. He'd already direct two movies, 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:37.160 three movies to do. That show. His family make you 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:41.160 jealous because when they see each other, even the guys 0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.000 kiss each other on the cheek when they see each other, 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.880 I'm like that, you know, it's like hey brother, hey, 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.320 you know, and they hug for a minute. You got 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.480 what is this family? You know what I mean? So 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:57.160 they had love too, you know, out of New York City. 0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.880 So he got a street sense, you know, but when 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.080 college got a book sense, but he got his own sense, 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.360 got good sense. His mom and his daddy hard working, 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.160 you see. But it's his genius. I give you an example. 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.959 We were doing. He asked me you know, we had 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:14.600 to come up with stuff because she would get on 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.520 the show. So say we do something. So he said, Tommy, 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.160 sitting there everybody looking through this group, Tommy, do you 0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.360 have Michael Jackson's sketch? I said yep, And then my 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:27.480 mouth was like I told him yes. He said I 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.960 wanted tomorrow. I said, ooh. I ran upstairs. I grabbed 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:33.920 the writer, man read and the writer wrote the song, out, 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.080 wrote the sketch. Out. I called the guy who does 0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.840 all the music. I went right from the job to 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:42.640 his house. We stayed up until six in the morning 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.160 and record that thing. He recorded it, put it together. 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.680 We took it in that afternoon. We put that sketch 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.520 on his feet, you know, with all the stufff cameras 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.800 and everything, you know, because Keenan had heard the song, 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:56.480 he said, let's do it and set up all the 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.880 other production stuff. So we're in there. I'm singing the 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.280 song and walking through and then stop, do this part, stop, 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.760 do this part, and we do all this stuff right. 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.520 We're running plays right, just to get it in, get 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.640 it in your you know, after the first snap, you 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:16.600 got to run. It's in you, right. So this is 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.359 when Kenny comes in. Keeny comes in when all that's done, 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:21.880 and Keena just goes, do this, do this today. So 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:26.239 Keena comes over, he goes, hmm, okay, Tommy, when you're 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.880 when you're walking down the sidewalk from here to here, 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.600 don't just walk anybody got any chalk. We're gonna put 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.320 a hopscotch there for you see hopscotch from there to here. Okay. 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:38.160 So then when you go down the rest of the 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.440 rest of the sidewalk, you're gonna get to here, right, 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.120 this is the edge of the sidewalk. So do we 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.680 have a fan, one of those big giant fans. Yes, 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.239 we do. We're gonna I'm gonna have a bunch of 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:53.360 leaves and win just blow you back. Okay. When you 0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.640 go to hit the car window, don't just hit the 0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:57.400 car window, go. 0:34:59.600 --> 0:34:59.840 You know what? 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.320 And then he came up with that last line. You know, 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.320 he said, you know he might black and white, and 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.279 Keena said, uh, you're under arrest. The police says you're 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.480 under rest. And then I took at the chemera like 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:14.759 it's hand black. Right. He just he just tops it off, right, 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.040 he just tops it off. You knew somebody like that 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.880 who don't get credit. And right, y'all wasn't supposed to 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:28.839 win nothing, right, Yeah, all y'all played regal football. All 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.480 y'all were all yaard, just like any other team. Right, 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.680 But he was able to find a way to make 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:36.640 it work to get y'all working together and for y'all, 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.319 for y'all to buy into your roles. Right, And look 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:44.040 what happened twice I saw in that Atlanta game. Right, 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.400 Atlanta came down twice, rap back back, They going for 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.239 the third one. All right, we're coming in this first quarter, right, 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:55.200 So they ran to play and Romanowski blitzed and just 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.480 missed him by inch. Somebody on the sideline must and said, 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.200 do it again, right, because they came and did it again, 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:02.800 you know, wrong. 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:03.000 Got them? 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:06.640 Damn It changes the emotion on the sideline. You ain't 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:10.040 look back at that momentum. That momentum came back. You know. 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.000 It's kind of like the same science. 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.759 The writers on the show. How much credit does the 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:16.880 writers get because you said a lot of what you 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.080 did was between you and the writers, and so you 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.720 guys have to be in sync. It's just like Rogers 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:26.239 and Ginger Rogers and Fredi Staire Ye Yeah, she had 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.640 the hardest job because she had to do what he 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.759 would do it backwards. She had to do it in 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:37.680 heals right, right, right, So they're writing this, you know, So, 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.400 so how difficult was it their job? Because they've got 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.920 to write according to you because what might be good 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.040 for you might not be good for Jamie, right, David 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.560 Allen Green or Jim carry Zamble. 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:51.920 So how was that? 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:54.120 And you're writing with different guys all the day. 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.920 It's not the same writer, right, It's got to be 0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.840 a personal process, you know. The best best writers know 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.880 all that, And so they'll do their own homework. You know, 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:05.759 they'll go, They'll tell me, I didn't write this, But 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.480 how would you say that? You know if you say 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:10.400 that like that, because I'm thinking if you said it 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.640 this way, then that would be the opposite of how 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.799 you would say it. So, you know, and I'll say, well, 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.920 let's try and both when we go to the rehearsal. 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.400 If one don't work out the other one. They were 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.640 there every inch of the way. When they stopped something, 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:26.800 one of the writers would come in and go, don't 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.279 forget that. You get that about the Purple Bunny Man. 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.160 You can't forget that. Come on, man, it's killing like that. 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:34.600 And so they were involved in it. I'll give you 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:45.759 their credits. Okay, friends, mar Ten, how many shows are 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:49.319 they responsible for? They actually were the executive They are 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:53.840 actually the executive producers of the hottest and best shows 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.720 that lasted the longest in Hollywood. Are writers? 0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:57.279 Wow? 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.840 And we had a veritable difference in every writer with 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.200 Franklin Najai. We had. We had we had black writers, 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.760 White writers, Jewish writers, Spanish writers, with all kinds of writers, right, okay, 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:10.759 and they were all and a lot of them were 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.279 really really smart kids, right and went to college and 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.880 with degrees. And this is the thing. So they're bringing 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:21.440 a lot of they're bringing a lot of intelligence to 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.880 the sketches, right, you know what I mean. They can 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:28.360 match the intelligence, the natural intelligence of us. What we 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:30.279 had to deal with with this country. We got to 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.839 be real brilliant because we was like, well, we can't 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:35.719 do nothing, but we got to do something right, and 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:36.719 we get that something done. 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.520 You know, they look at him, people say, well, there 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:41.560 was a lot of nepotism going on because he had 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.440 his brothers in, he had his sisters in. And I 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:49.120 heard Marlon says like f F nepotism. He says, I'm 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.120 doing this and if I can't putting my family on, 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:52.239 what the hell am I doing it for? 0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.520 And it's true and he's right about it, and he's 0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:02.160 right about it. But let's just say, the receiver in 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:06.359 the game is your brother, right, all right, and it's 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:11.640 twenty five o'clock. You know, you got about two passeses 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:16.680 going to him and he'll dropped everything from game on back? 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:17.080 Right? 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:22.000 Who you going to just because you see what I'm saying. 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:23.640 We're on the field and we're playing a game, right, 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:25.680 you see what I'm saying. It wasn't like they weren't 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:27.560 doing their job and they were still getting roles. They 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.200 were performing right, but they got a chance to play, right. 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:32.880 There's a lot of people that were you know, we're 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:34.600 Juco and should have been in the league and you 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.440 know it, but it's a game. It's bigger than just 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:42.120 the actual activity. So once I saw that and realize 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.160 that if you're on the other end of it, and 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:45.960 that doesn't feel so good because you want to be 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.359 a part of it. With me personally, I just wanted 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:49.920 to be a part of the family, right, you know, 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.279 And I am right. And I am the first thing 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.640 his father said to me. His father loved me, his 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.640 whole family loved me. I got a movie. I was 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:00.760 the first one to get a big movie strictly business 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:04.719 with Halle Barrier, right, right, sah. A lot of people 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:07.560 were easy with that, and I was kind of like 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.719 a man. But when I went to the premiere, it's 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.839 me and Halle in in the limousine and we drive 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.440 up and we get out, and the rope is there 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.200 and all the people are there, and guess who's there. 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:22.240 His father and his father go to me, Tommy, Tommy, 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.040 Tommy Davison. Baby, he's proud of you, like he's a father, 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:27.239 you a son. 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:27.560 Yeah. 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:29.800 And Kingan treated me like he was one of his brothers. 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.799 You know, I'm going through trouble or whatever. He'll say, Hey, man, 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:37.239 you gotta get that right. You know you work too hard. 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.040 I froze up on my first sketch on the Living College, 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:45.680 right because I realized I was on TV, so I'm 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.000 ready and I'm this comic that came from DC, and 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.600 I'm ready to do this sketch, right. And I saw 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.560 the rid the red the red dot on the camera, 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:57.799 and I was like, I turned into like a skull, right, 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:02.840 and I'm there, you know they can Tommy Tommy, Tommy Tommy. 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:07.960 And then finally Damon walked over to me. He put 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:12.439 his arm around me. Man, he said, nigga, you work 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.080 way too hard to get here. You over in that 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.480 apartment with your baby. You know, I'll watched you in 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.040 them clubs. All you got to do, just do it, 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:27.359 you know, you know, And that's how that's how they are. 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:29.719 So it's it's it's a half a dozen of one. 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:32.279 You know, it's a tough process because you wouldn't want 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.880 to win the game, right, But the way that the 0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:38.360 game is played, you know, I don't care how you 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:43.920 slice it. It's team right and rolls. You know, you 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:48.240 don't get that stuff. I remember Denny Green when remember 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:52.360 when the Vikings were packed. They had Chris, they had Moss, 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.080 they had Robert you remember roberts Robertson. They had every 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.719 Jordan at t they had that defense, They had everything, Pep, 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.120 they had it all. They were the machine. And they 0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:02.719 lost in the first round of Phoenix, you remember that, 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.000 And so they were broken because that was their year, right, 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:08.359 they should have been in Atlanta, right, I guess so right, 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:10.160 I guess they'd have been playing, y'all. 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.560 Yeah. They lost to the Falcons in the championship game. 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.520 Yeah that was Renal Cunninghall. 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.080 Right, and that okay, And that hurt me because I'm 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.320 a Minnesota fan. I'm that long story. 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.200 So so how you gonna be they fan? You had 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.560 just came in to our Super Bowl party? Man got hey, 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:30.160 got a hey, man came pool, got out, budey Hey, 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:35.360 I'm a player, pay me. That was Neil Smith. 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:35.920 I do. 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:36.600 Yeah. 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.359 Neil was like, that's my man, and that that's when 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.520 I discovered. I learned through the players what the game 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:48.000 really is. It's a freaking war, man. It ain't no joke. 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:51.040 You look at Jim. We're gonna talk about some of 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.040 the guys that came from the show. Jim, and he 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.359 was as big. I mean, the rains that he has 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.319 he's been tour the mask Truman Ship. 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:01.839 I mean, you you get what he will think. Why 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:03.359 haven't he been liar? 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:03.719 Liar? 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.600 Why hasn't he been as active recently as he as 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.719 he was? I only know from my personal standpoint, he's 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:14.240 done what he wanted to do. He's he's hit his pinnacle. 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.359 He's made as much money as he can make or whatever. Right, 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:19.440 I just know him as a person, one of my 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.960 best friends, and he just wants to become a better 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:24.399 person and do better things. 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:25.160 He has he has. 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:29.439 He's about him a tremendous motivation. Yeah, it's about what's 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.479 going on on him and the inside, because he knows 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.360 that those outside things aren't going to fix you. So 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.359 he strives to just stay on what got him there, right, 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.040 you know, knowledge of his family, where he grew up, 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.640 you know, just just all of that stuff that counts. 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:46.800 You know, when I got in some of my final 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:50.440 not final interviews, but later when I had established myself, 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.520 I would have people ask me, you know, what was 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:57.279 your greatest accomplishment? And I started naming projects. Now I 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.399 just say my greatest accomplishment was being Barbara Davis's youngest son, 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:05.200 Tommy Wow, because that meant something. You know. My mother 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:07.840 was the kind of woman that would like, you know, 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:12.360 we was on welfare, you know, and and you know, 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:15.720 you know we coming up, We're coming up the stairs 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:19.160 with groceries, you know, and she would start giving the 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:23.279 little kids food. Man, some of them were so small 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:25.719 they could only carry one card and the milk you know, 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:28.920 and I used to say, what are you doing? I 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:30.520 used to think she was crazy, and she'd get up 0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:33.360 in my face too, you mean, what am I doing? 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:38.080 I'm doing it? Ask me what I'm doing? You got 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:45.319 everything you need? I was like, yes, ma'am, Okay, I'm 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.200 proud to be her son, right because I still have 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.560 that in me. She was trying to show me the 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:55.440 universal law of exchange that if you give, you'll always 0:44:55.520 --> 0:45:00.000 have a close hand. Can't receive or give. So she talked, 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:03.080 caught me that, and I realized that that's my greatest accomplished. 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:07.120 But now I can get an iron you know statue. 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.440 I'd like to have one, you know, without the smack 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.400 and without the Digham smack. I know, we call it 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:14.000 Digham smack. 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:17.280 You almost got one? Yeah, I almost got one? Yeah before, 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.719 Yeah you lot have been before. Hey bring it up. 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.160 But what's try to do? Is this club sha shape? 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.399 Yeah it is all right, it's cleb shache. So were talking. 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:27.959 We tell it all right. He at the Laker games, 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:30.400 what are y'all gonna do? And left them? Do you 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.040 know what I mean? Yeah? Left? Hold on. I'm like, 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.200 I'm like, I'm trying to forget that that that that's 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:40.000 South Carolina. Okay, that's a long story South Carolina. Are 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:40.600 you kidding me? 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.440 So he had the edge of the car going what 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:45.920 what Which one of y'all want something? It's like, I'm like, 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:46.759 it ain't one of them. 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.239 It's a whole. It's a whole. 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.200 Just really quick about South Carolina? Okay, and I leave 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:53.200 it alone over Georgia. 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:55.960 I know he was from Georgia, Georgie. No, my brother 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.359 went to South Carolina. Okay. No, y'all went from South Carolina. Okay, 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.239 then ain't gonna talk about it. Okay, we're gonna put 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.680 that back there. Okay, but I heard that there were 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.880 more players in the league from South Carolina than anywhere. No, 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.160 probably Texas, California, Florida, Georgia. We ended, okay, okay. 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:12.440 What do you what are you? 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:13.600 No? 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:20.200 No, I do it. But it's like I forgot what 0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:25.000 I was saying. Where was I? Oh that it's trigger 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:29.799 me again, Jim care And you see these grades right here. 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.680 I got a feel myself, Well, you forgot to die 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:33.360 before you came in. 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:35.880 You didn't want to look your Yeah, that's why I 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:39.440 put this on. It balances out, you know. If I 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:41.120 don't wear this and I wear a white T shirt. 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:44.880 You'll be going, we're doing a show with Bentley tonight. 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:48.200 Cookie what is his name? Oh dude did the cookies? 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:52.560 Oh yeah, yeah, you're famous. You got Dick Gregor here. 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:58.120 But you were saying about right, That's when I realized, 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:03.680 you know, that this wasn't about as much. You know, 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.360 me and Jim, Me and I Will had a run in. 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:15.120 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah aye, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.920 I didn't find out that for fifteen years because he 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.440 never told me that. See, he came into that. He 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.400 came into the trailer and I was sitting down right, 0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:26.960 He's standing over me like this, and he's like, I 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.920 appreciate that, man, I appreciate that. And I'm like, well, 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.880 what you're talking about? I always know to play it off, right, 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.839 you know what I mean. It's told well, I'm sitting down. 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:40.839 This was fifteen years later, or it was this was then. 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.359 Then I didn't find out why. Well, okay, because asking 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.560 him why then, but he wouldn't say nothing, right, And 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:47.600 I'm going, what's going on, man? Tell me what's happening? Man? 0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:50.720 And since he was standing yeah, and I was sitting 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:55.600 a real nice fella. I mean that that's that's about physics. 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:55.759 Right right. 0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:57.960 So I'm like, you know, man, what's going on? 0:47:58.160 --> 0:47:58.319 Man? 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.120 I mean, hey man, he said, appreciate that, you know 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.080 what I'm saying, and Jada's going will will I'm saying, 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:05.760 but I mean, what what's happening? 0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:05.920 Man? 0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:10.040 Now you tell me what's happening. You know, when the 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.920 dude bottle lift about to do something, he might do something, right, 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.359 So I'm like, you know, I did the I did 0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:20.480 the whole you remember the snake, Yeah, I did the snake. Well, well, 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.279 what you know, and got up and then I was like, 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.160 you know, so what are you talking about? 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:25.319 Man? 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.799 And I was still in that prostut, so you didn't 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:29.360 really know what he was actually talking about. 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.560 But I know what he was doing. So I was like, 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.400 come on, man, I mean, what's up? Just tell me 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.320 what's up? Yeah, you know what's up? You know. So 0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:40.200 finally I just said, this is a small place and 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:42.200 people are here, you want we should talk about it, 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:44.640 me and you outside because it looked like you can 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.680 need to get something off your chest, right, And then 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:51.160 Jada was like, oh no, no, no, no, no y'all, 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:53.560 no y'all. And I was like, what do you mean, Nah, 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:58.120 y'all tell him, tell him? And that was the end 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.400 of that, right, you see. And I never knew it 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:06.400 wasn't until my book came out years later where I 0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:09.760 counted that as one of the things that really bothered 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.640 me and hurt me bad, because I didn't know when 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:16.120 I look up to him and I love him to death, So. 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:18.759 You really didn't know why he was upset. You had 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:21.560 no earthly idea that it was because of an on 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.560 screen kids or a tip the kids or what was 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:24.880 going on. 0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.480 No, you know, but I ain't know why when I 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:30.080 was taking the subway up with my cousin uptown to 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.200 the Bronx. I ain't know why when we were fourteen, 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:37.880 and why these nineteen eighteen twenty year olders on the 0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:39.560 other side of the train and looking at us, going 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:45.279 what what, We'll bust your ass what? I ain't know 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.880 that neither. But I still was like, huh right, you know, 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:49.719 waiting for that damn. 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.799 So fifteen years later, how did you find out? 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:55.880 This is how I found out. I put it in 0:49:55.960 --> 0:50:00.120 the book, you know, and I found out about you 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:02.840 can't put something in the book about somebody unless they 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:06.200 sign off on it right, right. So I was like, uh, 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:08.640 you know, I don't want to put stuff like that 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:10.320 in the book anyway, But I was trying to be 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.960 real honest about my experiences so I can show that 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:16.040 you can go through anything and still be successful, right, 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:17.799 and still be a good person, you know what I mean. 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.960 And I was able to do that. But it's not easy, 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:25.800 you know, but you can do it, right. So I 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.560 went to his best friend, Charlie Matt. You know Charlie Max. 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:32.560 I remember the song Charlie Matt. Everywhere we go down 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.239 town to a show, we have two necessities, Charlie Mack 0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:35.800 and the limo. 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:36.120 Right. 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:37.960 Well, that's like Charlie Ma. You're gonna see him at 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.279 every game. If it's a super Bowl, it's it's if 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:42.719 it's the Kentucky Derby, You're gonna see Charlie Mack. And 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:46.520 that's Will's best friend. So I called Charlie and I said, Charlie, 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.200 and what do you think about this? He said, yeah, 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:52.680 you do? You know Will Will cool cool? And Jada 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:54.759 cool too. She said, you give me the quote and 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.239 I'll send it to him, and you know, and they'll 0:50:57.280 --> 0:50:59.920 call you. They call you Tom. I send it to 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:04.239 call me and Jada she said. They said, yeah, go 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.920 ahead and put that in there. Go ahead and put that. 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:12.560 And what I put was that I that I thought 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:14.839 in the book. I thought the only thing that could 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:19.719 be possible was The producers came to my trailer right 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:21.640 when we were on the last scene and it's a 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:25.239 kissing scene, and they said, the kissing scenes now, not 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.239 later on tonight. We got to do that now. And 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:31.360 I said, but I haven't rehearsed with Jada. That's the 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.759 most important rehearsal that you can ever have your lips 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:39.040 on a female on screen. And so I was like, 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:40.560 we never got a chance to work that out. You 0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:42.360 can make it look real if she's working with you 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:46.160 and everything right without kissing, right, And so I said, 0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:47.880 I can't do that. I'm not doing that. I'm not 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.480 doing it. They said, well, we'll ask her. So it 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.960 went and came back. She said, just go for it. 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:55.839 And even then I was like, I ain't just gonna 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:57.719 go for it, you know, but I know I have 0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:59.960 to make it look real. So I'm trying to make 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.200 it look real. And she's kind of uncomfortable about it, right, 0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:04.440 you know. But we got through it, and you never 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:08.200 could tell. That's all I wanted, right, was to get 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.480 it to play into the film. Right, that's all we want, right, 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.640 you know, you at T one wrong block right. I mean, 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:16.839 y'all you know it ain't like the receivers out here, 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.799 all the glory all is blocking, you know what I mean? 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:21.880 So you got to do it right, right. So I 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.839 got it in there, And so they called me and said, hey, 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:30.319 that is what happened. Wow. Yeah, And I didn't find 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.680 out for that long. It was more than fifteen years. 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:37.000 I was about back in two thousand, so it's more 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:41.640 than that long, right, So I saw that side, you know, 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:46.279 And there's nothing you can do in certain circumstances as 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:50.239 far as I'm concerned, the way that I grew up 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:54.239 and saw things right, you know, I made it a 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:59.640 good observation after trial by ass whipping right, right, Okay, 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:05.239 when emotions is high, common senses at all time? Low? Yeah, 0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:09.520 common sense is at all time, and how low can 0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:12.840 you go? You see what I mean? So knowing that 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:16.120 fact and just sticking on to what I learned when 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:19.880 I was a little kid, you know, my brother and 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:23.080 sister being white and me being black wasn't a big deal. 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.880 To me until I found out I was black. I 0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:29.680 grew up in Fort Collins, Colorado, and Wyoming, Okay. Found 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:32.120 in the trash, took it straight out there, and I 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:34.120 thought I was a brown one of whatever we were 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.719 because I saw litters. So a black cat can have 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:38.759 a white one, a brown one, a stack of one. 0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:40.560 I thought we were born like that, and I'm a 0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:42.759 brown one of whatever we are. Right well, we got 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:46.320 the DC King had just got shot. There were riots, 0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:49.239 and the black kids the next day were whipping our 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:52.520 ass all day and they were saying, get the white cracker, 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:55.799 and get the white cracker lover. This is the things 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.200 I learned, right, you know, And I was I was going, 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:00.640 this is stupid. So I went to my mother, I said, 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:04.640 why are they attacking me? Seeing I like white crackers. 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:09.440 I like gram crackers, Ram crackers. You don't gotta have 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:11.520 water with it or nothing. You just chewing. Get you 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.400 to the apple juice and you're good, white cracker. You 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:19.360 be like swartz niggas in total recall, you know. So 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:22.759 so I found that out, and then that's where the 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.240 first time I heard the word nigga, you know. Okay, 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.200 Because we moved to the suburbs. Then it was like 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:33.520 kill the nigga. And I'm five, I'm riding my bike 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.480 a whole truck of white boys barely getting in the door, 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.800 people throwing stuff through the window. Nigga, this nigga that. 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:42.120 So I went to my mom and I said, who 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:47.480 are these niggas we gotta stay away from, you know, yeah? Yeah, 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:51.520 And she told me, she said it's one of her speeches. 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.239 She told me, hey, that's what people are. Color called 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:57.320 people your color when they don't like them. Said what 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:00.200 color are you? She said, we're white. I said, know, 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:03.400 you're beige because I learned my colors from the grounds. 0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:07.279 She said no, but that's what we call ourselves. And 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:09.440 so I said, well, what does nigga means? She said, well, 0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:11.320 that's what That's what I mean. What is what is 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:15.359 white cracker means? She said, that's what your people call 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.880 our people when they don't like them. I said, well, 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.399 what color are they? She said they're black. I said 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:27.359 they're not, They're brown. I'm a brown one, and like, hmm, 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:31.560 that's that's that's where my my whole as a child. 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.600 That messed me up for a long time because I 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:38.480 couldn't believe that I was divided by my loved ones 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.920 by the color. And I always thought that that was stupid. 0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:45.360 But it's real, right, you know, it's real. It's not 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:48.480 really real because I am right about the litters and 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:52.160 I am right about us. Because when we were in 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:55.600 different civilizations and different colors. Anytime we would come up 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:57.680 on another civilization that was a different color, the girls 0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.359 would go those guys look pretty hot, and the guys 0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:02.800 we go to them, girls look pretty hot, and dustly, 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:06.399 we started mixing. It is the same thing. You see 0:56:06.440 --> 0:56:09.719 what I'm saying. Take a DNA strand you know that 0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:14.359 wasn't because we exchanged DNA all right, you know that's 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:18.400 more like d and p's you just skip. I know, 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:20.759 but I'm just I'm talking to him. You know, I 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:24.800 better stopped it. I'm good. So but that but that 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:28.840 was was the catalyst. And I think I found my 0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:31.560 purpose in all that, you know, And that's why I 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:36.960 feel comfortable saying I'm her greatest accomplishment, because I believe 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:41.720 I was. I think she did that on purpose, Jamie. 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.239 I read that you and Jamie didn't always have the 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:50.239 greatest relationship on set. Seemingly, you guys did a movie together. 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:54.200 Did Booty call? So were you able to what what 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:57.080 caused the friction and how were you able to get 0:56:57.160 --> 0:57:00.399 past it? I got shot out to Jamie, shout out 0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:03.600 to Jamie and prayers to you. Yeah, man, Jamie. 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:06.080 I called him like, I'll make it a practice to 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:08.520 be the first person to call with something like that. 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:11.000 I called Still. I was one of the first people 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.239 to call Still. She'll actually call me back, he said, 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.279 thank you? You know what I mean? Because we was 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:21.360 all like, what you kidding me? The number one due? 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:23.240 You know what I mean, Like never again? Like we 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:26.000 was like, good God. But I compare it to you 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:30.960 and Derek, You and dere Derek Thomas, both of y'all specimens, 0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:34.560 both of y'all special. Both y'all got speed. Both y'all 0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:37.800 can do what y'all do at the highest level. But 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:41.600 on Sunday we thought that friendship out the window? What 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:45.400 way out the window? Way out the window? Because it's 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:48.560 a game as long as we remember that, you know, 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:51.840 once the game is over and hey, okay, cool, But 0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:53.920 sometime we don't remember that, right, you know what I mean? 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:57.320 It takes time and maturity to get to the point 0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:59.840 where you start seeing it Yeah. It was a game 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.960 that was tied into my career, you know what I mean. 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.560 So we had our we had our back and forth, 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.800 you know, we we had our negative, negative clashes. 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:09.960 You know. 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:15.560 One of the things I observed about uh what Hollywood 0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:23.760 personalities sometimes experiences an inflated sense of self and are 0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:33.520 engaged in an extreme amount of negative competitivism. You put 0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:39.640 those things together and gee, you know, you know, look 0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:41.640 what happens. And I ain't got to point it out. 0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:44.480 You can see it in every every aspect of what 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:44.800 we do. 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:45.160 You know. 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:50.959 I love that guy. He's like the funniest dude ever, 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:55.760 you know, jealous at times because he's so sweet with it. 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:57.240 He's sweet with it. 0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:59.800 Man, he could the way he see you know, I'm 0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:06.440 like metaled, I'm like man man. Obviously community man has 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:09.480 range Range did that ray thing? 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:11.880 Yeah he didn't ray, Oh yeah he did. He did 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:14.200 when he was in the Movee with Tom Cruise. Yeah. Man, 0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:17.000 he was the catcher cab driver. All the stuff that 0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:21.320 he did is lovely and I'm a human. I want 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:24.680 to do that too. You see somebody hoisting it right, 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:27.800 you want to hoist it right, right. That's just natural. 0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:31.960 Good friend, of mine told me that's natural to do that, 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.760 because it's natural to want something that somebody else has, right, 0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:36.320 you know what I mean? 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:40.400 But just because I want because I want to have it, 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:42.000 that doesn't mean I don't want you to have it. 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:45.880 I just see you you got it, and I feel 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:46.920 comfortable that I can get it. 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:48.200 That's what I was going to say. He said, the 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:51.520 worst thing is when you don't want something for somebody. 0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:54.720 Yeah right, yeah, yeah yeah no, So that that propensity 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.720 that's in me, I have to find ways to see 0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:01.280 it straight in balance. So I got asked by TMZ 1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:03.400 one time. Right, they came to me and they was 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:06.480 totally rape. You know, Jamie's James kicking ass man. He 1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:10.440 just finished Sunday the Woman, Sunday, that that movie and 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:15.360 this and that, No, the any given Sunday. He's over here. 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:17.760 He's doing that, He's doing that and doing this. Man, 1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:20.520 he's doing all these things. Man, you know, how do 1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:25.520 you feel about that? And I said, I said, I 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:31.120 beat him in Ping Pong seven and nothing skunk, and 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:33.640 he put the paddle down, he won't go no more. 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:36.360 And I played and I lost him, lost him, lost him, 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:39.800 lost him, lost him. Two seasons in a row overtime 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.960 ping pong games. Finally I got my touch. Now, oh 1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:45.560 you got your touch? Wrap, skunk, let's go again. 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:50.440 Down. You see what I'm saying. It's like as as 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:52.640 silly as that, for real as that. You know, what 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:56.160 does it really mean? You know, if if I was, 1:00:56.320 --> 1:01:04.960 if I was to judge my success on somebody else's success, 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:10.439 I sure I am looking at my blessings limited right, Yes, yes, 1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:11.120 you know what I mean. 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:11.360 I do. 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:14.200 I do know exactly what you mean. Yeah, Because and 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:17.240 my thing is is that I hate I hate when 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:21.200 people say he or she didn't deserve that. Who are 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:25.040 you to say God made a mistake with my blessing? Amy, 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.640 you've heard that, Yeah, of course I have. Of course 1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:31.320 I'm gonna talk about a transformation I think you made. Okay, 1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:38.240 I think somewhere between the last Super Bowl and the 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:42.240 next one you made a decision and it was I 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:43.040 think it was a good one. 1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:47.320 But I'm not sure. You said football's over and I'm 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:53.520 gonna do me now. And the only rea, the only 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:56.280 way I saw that was I saw a commercial on 1:01:56.400 --> 1:02:00.200 the Super Bowl and I was like shocked. It was 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:02.080 like about an investment company or something. 1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:06.600 Yeah, yes, chausy, but you had the dialogue down right. 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:08.360 It's some stuff I can't even hardly say. You know, 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:10.960 because you got three percent, you got three percent this 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:12.160 and that, that, that and the other thing that you 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:14.760 had your hemming on calculator, how do you go to 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:18.560 the pre ratio? No, nothing like what you know? And 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:21.320 then watched it and watched it and watched it grow. 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:27.440 I thought that that was the period between that last one, right. 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:32.440 I remember doing the commercial and you know, they did 1:02:32.600 --> 1:02:34.560 let me add live, they let my person out me 1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:37.360 and I, you know, when you and you're doing it, 1:02:37.560 --> 1:02:39.240 I mean, I'm not thinking that. I'm like, I'm just 1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:41.560 doing the thing, and I just remember the producing and 1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:43.520 director and everybody said, man, that was don'tbelieve you, the 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:44.280 unbelievable job. 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:46.040 You don't realize how good you did. 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:49.120 And then when the commercial actually came out and to 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:52.400 have people say that I did a good job, and 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:54.880 then people, you know, I walk by and people say, 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:58.320 do you know how to calculate the pe ratio? And 1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:01.240 that's kind of like, okay, I might, I might could, 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:02.600 I might could do something like this. 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:05.880 Yeah you did it, you know where we're at. I mean, 1:03:05.960 --> 1:03:10.280 it's just it's our internal calculators add up our own 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:12.640 stuff from internal experiences, you know what I mean. So 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:17.480 I saw it like that, you know, and I just 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:19.280 think it's it's you know, for me, it's a it's 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:22.479 a wonderful world because I'm here. You know, it ain't 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:28.400 no guaranteed. You know, a lot of beautiful, great things 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:31.200 happened like the Denver years for me because not only 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:33.440 was I invited by one of my best friends to 1:03:33.600 --> 1:03:37.200 give the ring ceremony twice, I have I known you 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:38.680 the midic Fani. 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:43.440 They are they are no, but they became my favorite 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:44.680 team for a couple of years. They did. 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:47.240 How can you not you did? How can you you 1:03:48.080 --> 1:03:50.160 a ride a lot? Listen, I'm in I'm I'm in 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:55.360 the booth with bowling right, meatballs on the request right, 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:59.240 I'm seeing one of the cheerleaders. I'm in there with 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:04.720 her parents, Pat's booth. They calling me, Neil, calling me chicken. 1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:08.400 He called me at you know you're gonna be the 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:11.400 You're gonna be the Monday night game with Oakland, right, 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:19.000 come on on the field. Right. So you know those 1:04:19.080 --> 1:04:25.240 were my NFL years. But I learned something too that 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:30.760 the the game doesn't stop on Sunday. It stops on 1:04:30.880 --> 1:04:37.680 Tuesday because y'all go straight from there early monastrat to 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:40.120 the gym. And I was like, why are you arresting? 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:44.600 You know, and Marcus Allen taught me this. Marcus said, well, 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:47.200 this is the work down. You know. You can't be 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:50.240 up that far and then let all that stuff. You 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:52.800 beat them pulled something, so they work you work it 1:04:52.880 --> 1:04:55.600 back up, and then you're rested so it can get 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:58.360 in place, you know what I mean, working and working 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:00.640 on stuff, working on fields, all of that, right, and 1:05:00.720 --> 1:05:02.000 then Tuesday, you know what I mean? 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:04.840 Yeah, I mean, I mean I was so I remember 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.560 we played Mike the Dolphins on a Monday night and 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:09.920 we ended up, you know, getting back. I think we 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.080 arrived back by the time we got to the plane 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:15.760 and got back, I think it was probably six thirty 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:19.280 seven o'clock. And so it's already Tuesday, and I normally 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:22.480 come in on Tuesday anyway. Okay, so I just changed 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:27.600 worked out and then went home. Okay, That's how focused 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:28.000 I was. 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:28.520 Hold on. 1:05:30.200 --> 1:05:35.200 I know about Georgia boys, Willie. 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:39.400 God yeah, yeah, Willie from Griffin Fridge and his brother 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.120 who Fridge and his brother you know, no day from 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:46.960 ak in South Carolina. Okay, see, I'm getting it. I 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:49.520 thought I was a negrologist. I got some. I got 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:56.280 Willie gall Herschel Walker, George Rogers. Those are the guys 1:05:56.320 --> 1:05:58.560 that you would know. Obviously. Cam is from Georgia. Champ 1:05:58.600 --> 1:05:59.480 Bailey from Georgia. 1:06:00.160 --> 1:06:01.400 Question where Dale Carter from? 1:06:02.120 --> 1:06:04.840 Dale Carter is from He's from Georgia. 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:10.600 Where did Dale place? I don't know what DC played at. 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:14.440 Where did d Georgia? Though? Yeah? He he from Georgia. 1:06:14.520 --> 1:06:16.880 Tell me he wasn't the coldon shut down? Yeah, I mean, 1:06:17.040 --> 1:06:19.680 I'm the color shut downs in the league. Man, I 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:22.480 don't know what now, damn Lovedal? 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:24.280 I don't know. 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:26.640 I think Dale and Dale. I think Dale is one 1:06:26.680 --> 1:06:29.040 of the one of the best man him and Everson 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:33.520 Wallas Boy. Anyway, when you're doing that, you see j Lo. 1:06:33.760 --> 1:06:35.720 She starts as a fly girl and now she's one 1:06:35.760 --> 1:06:39.040 of the biggest stars. Did you did you? 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:39.560 Did you? 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:40.480 Could you project? 1:06:40.560 --> 1:06:43.520 Could you see that Jim and Jamie and j Lo 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:47.000 and and John Leblzambo? Could you could you foretell that 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:48.640 they were gonna be that? 1:06:50.040 --> 1:06:54.600 Yeah? Yeah, I could, because because I know that anything 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:57.480 is possible in that business if you're talented it, you know, 1:06:57.560 --> 1:07:00.240 but it's the it's the other stuff that has to 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:03.440 line up. They have to line up, right, you know 1:07:03.480 --> 1:07:06.120 what I mean. You know, there's the there's all these industries. 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:10.120 There's publicity. There's the agent industry. Right, there's a management industry. 1:07:10.160 --> 1:07:10.240 Right. 1:07:10.400 --> 1:07:13.800 There's the studios, there's the networks. There's all this stuff 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:17.360 that you know, you got to do right. You got 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:19.480 to do right and the next step and the next 1:07:19.520 --> 1:07:22.280 step and the next step to get to that point. 1:07:22.840 --> 1:07:26.040 So it's possible to do you know, it's possibly because 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:28.920 you can navigate it. It's persistence and all that good stuff. 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:29.120 Right. 1:07:30.280 --> 1:07:35.439 But I never knew that some of them would stop 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:38.040 talking to me when they got to that point. Man. 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:41.240 So I never knew that because I was always curious, 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:42.840 you know how you did it? 1:07:42.920 --> 1:07:43.080 Man? 1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:45.760 I study, you know, like, so we had the number. 1:07:45.560 --> 1:07:47.280 When you was on working on Living Color, and then 1:07:47.280 --> 1:07:48.840 all of a sudden they becomes something else. And now 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:52.800 all of a sudden, no longer. 1:07:56.480 --> 1:08:01.040 All remember her. I was like, you know, I remember 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:05.479 seeing her and this ain't no j LO bashing because 1:08:05.480 --> 1:08:09.760 she's crazy talented, come on, can't put none on her. 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:13.080 And she's a great actress too, you know. But but 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:17.120 we used to hang out with me her my asks. 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:18.840 We used to go to dinner together, you know. And 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:21.640 I met her with Keenan that strictly business because he 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:23.200 brought her in my trailer. I was doing a movie 1:08:23.240 --> 1:08:27.280 and I was like, what is that? Right? And then 1:08:27.320 --> 1:08:28.880 she showed up to be a fly girl and she 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:31.920 worked her ass off. She worked her ass and she 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:34.920 was every day and she was messing around with scripts. 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:36.920 I was like, this girl gonna be something. She was. 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:40.880 So I saw her at the upfronts. It was me 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:45.360 and Danny DeVito and he's like, there's all there's there's 1:08:45.400 --> 1:08:47.360 gentleman one place over there. You don't know it, right, 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:49.760 I'm like, yeah, I know her. So I go over 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:54.560 there and I'm like, what's up girl? Shoot man? You 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:57.479 blew it? What what is going on? She was like, Hey, 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:03.639 so what's going on? What's going to? You know? Just living? 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:07.000 Like you know, get some little carrot dip and I'm going, 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:10.280 you know what's in that carrot dip? You know, because 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:12.920 she's showed dipping my ass, you know what I mean. 1:09:13.439 --> 1:09:17.479 And so so that happened once and then I was 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:20.120 on a face break I had to look around and 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:23.400 see if anybody saw that. Did anybody just see her 1:09:23.439 --> 1:09:26.920 for the hatchet through my forehead? Like hey, you know? 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:31.240 And so we had the same manager at the same time, 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:32.960 so I just avoided her because you never know what 1:09:33.080 --> 1:09:36.160 someone's going through that day. I could be misreading, right, 1:09:36.439 --> 1:09:38.200 you know. I always got to get the love that 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:41.160 But that's from my profile from being the black and 1:09:41.240 --> 1:09:42.960 between the white and all that. So I'm needy in 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:45.800 that way, I can admit that. But I do love 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:47.519 love right, Well, she might be. 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:50.439 Listen, you can only judge a person by the experience 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:53.080 that you have half person. Right, she might be, she 1:09:53.320 --> 1:09:57.240 might be a great person to CJ and Hollywood. Ah 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.080 my god, Jordan's right, but your experience and that that 1:10:00.240 --> 1:10:02.679 moment was my love was not great. 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:05.080 Right, And so I gave it some time and stuff, 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:07.720 And I never blamed the person, you know. I just 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:11.400 try to try to work with myself, you know how, 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:13.240 cause you hate you, You're right, you know. I had 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:16.280 to work on that. And so we had the same 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.200 manager at one time, and she was doing a video 1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:23.120 up and up and in the block. Jenny jam from 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:26.000 the block block block block block block write that one, 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:29.760 and so he said, why don't you go and visit 1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:31.560 her on the set, man, she would love to see you. 1:10:32.200 --> 1:10:34.800 And I was like, nah, that's all right, that's all 1:10:34.880 --> 1:10:37.560 right man. He's like, nah, man, come on, man, this 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:39.360 is you. Come on man. 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:41.559 I was like, nah, that's all right, man, that's all right, 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:44.760 because one time is enough for me. You know, I 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:49.280 don't got to steal another base. If it's Wow wanting out, hey, 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:53.800 I'll get it. I'll wait till the next up. So 1:10:55.520 --> 1:10:58.800 I go down on the platform and there she is, 1:10:59.560 --> 1:11:02.000 you know, and I tell you the only thing that 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:04.640 saved me. I walked down the platform and she was 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:07.080 looking at the at the screens with all the rest 1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:11.240 of the dancers, you know, and Benny's all proud that 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:12.240 he's standing. 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:13.840 With me, you know, being a medemic, right yeah, yeah, yah, 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:16.599 yeah yeah. He put the last name on that. Okay, 1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:22.000 all right, So him, man, you know what I'm saying. 1:11:23.520 --> 1:11:24.960 So I get down to the to the end of 1:11:25.000 --> 1:11:27.640 the thing and I look at her and Benny's going, 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:30.320 come on, let you here, man. I'm like, alright, man, 1:11:30.720 --> 1:11:34.200 and I go Jennifer, what's up? And she goes. 1:11:35.640 --> 1:11:35.840 Hey. 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:40.400 So that was like the last you know, I don't 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:42.080 know how she's gonna be when I see her next. 1:11:43.000 --> 1:11:45.240 But the next time I saw her, I avoided her 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:48.240 right because I don't like feeling that way. I don't 1:11:48.240 --> 1:11:51.360 want to be around anybody. It makes me feel like 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:56.320 I'm not You're gonna make me feel like I ain't important. 1:11:57.439 --> 1:11:57.640 You know. 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:00.760 I worked at a hospital when I was fifteen, and 1:12:00.880 --> 1:12:03.880 everybody that worked there was black and were in the 1:12:03.960 --> 1:12:07.240 Korean War. All of them were veterans, you know, and 1:12:07.320 --> 1:12:10.639 they taught me everything. They taught me everything about cooking, 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:13.599 everything about life. You know. Just imagine if they were 1:12:13.680 --> 1:12:16.680 like that to me, you know what I mean. I 1:12:16.760 --> 1:12:20.960 mean imagine that. You know. My math teacher, Mss Coleman, 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:24.160 Jewish woman, lived down the street from the elementary school, 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:26.360 and I couldn't get my math right. She was like 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:29.160 a substitute teacher, and she said, why don't you come 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:31.200 up to my house? So I go over to the 1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:32.840 house after school and she would work with me on 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:34.360 math and work with me on math and work. I 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:37.439 was never that great in math, but I have more 1:12:37.520 --> 1:12:42.800 confidence about doing it. What happened if she hey, you know, 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:46.200 so I just remember those things and that's just me 1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:49.600 as an individual. That's all. That's just what makes the 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:53.080 furnace in me run, you know. And I delighted that 1:12:53.880 --> 1:12:56.400 people come to me and say, man, came to you, 1:12:56.560 --> 1:13:00.960 came to Afghanistan and you look at this. This is 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:03.800 the picture. You know what I mean? Yeah, we were 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:06.400 at your show in Kansas City, man, and my grandmother 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:08.960 came in. You took some pictures of her and everything. 1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:11.599 She gone. Now, Man, but let me tell you something. 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:14.759 That was one of her greatest moments. 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:17.280 When I look when you look back at you look 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:22.240 at the nineties, nineties might have been the greatest. Maybe 1:13:22.280 --> 1:13:25.320 the saventies because they have somebody children, but the nineties 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:30.760 with Martin and Living Single and uh, living color. Will 1:13:30.840 --> 1:13:34.160 we ever see black TV again like we saw in 1:13:34.240 --> 1:13:34.719 the nineties. 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:39.240 I don't think so. But we'll see black TV. Yeah, 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:42.479 you know it won't be the same sensibility, right, you 1:13:42.560 --> 1:13:47.880 know you see black TV now, you know, see a 1:13:47.920 --> 1:13:50.880 bunch of rich black chicks with range rovers having a 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:55.240 beautiful cocktail with Gucci purses. 1:13:55.320 --> 1:13:57.400 And we talked about the housewives. 1:13:57.680 --> 1:14:01.479 I ain't talking about nothing. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, 1:14:01.479 --> 1:14:04.040 you see shows like this and and so here you are, 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:05.720 and they're there and they got it all, you know, 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:09.080 the American dreaming. But yet it's like, bitch, I slapped 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:13.880 your head off, you know, you know what I mean. Uh, well, 1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:17.400 we'll see it. We'll see a mini series that's a 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:20.040 great one. It's a drama and it's the whole thing. 1:14:20.880 --> 1:14:23.240 You know. But but you'll you know, you'll see somebody's gun, 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:28.360 the the the muzzle of the gum and someone's no. 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:31.200 You know, you won't give it it now, you won't 1:14:31.200 --> 1:14:31.600 give it to me? 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:33.760 Now give it to me? You know, Sorry about that? 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:41.240 You know, that's what I'm I'm seeing. I'm seeing a 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:41.760 lot of that. 1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:45.519 But no more was back then, no living single, no 1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:49.040 mark you were well, these shows were about about. 1:14:51.280 --> 1:14:55.240 The love about us, the love about the love about blacks. 1:14:55.240 --> 1:14:57.360 And now we are you know, we got to be 1:14:57.479 --> 1:15:01.040 loving and carrying based on the album. We were all 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:04.720 we had, you see, we were all we had so 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:08.160 and we were up against every odd you can imagine. 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:11.960 We have no work incentive, you know, y'all lazy. Well 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:14.280 what you gonna pay me? You know what I mean? Well, 1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:15.960 if I'm lazy, why you sit up on the porch 1:15:16.040 --> 1:15:18.280 with men and Julip and we out here picking how 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:20.920 do I get your trait and I do your work? 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:23.960 You see what I'm saying. So we lived through all 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:26.920 of that and are able to laugh and have joy 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:31.920 because that's our survival. But that's also who we really 1:15:32.000 --> 1:15:35.120 are the first to forgive. You know. 1:15:35.800 --> 1:15:36.320 You know. 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:39.439 If you if a black bird, if a white person 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:43.000 came to a black church, they leave their sanctified and 1:15:43.479 --> 1:15:46.080 full of food. You know, you might go to white 1:15:46.120 --> 1:15:47.320 church and be like, I don't know if I want 1:15:47.360 --> 1:15:50.240 to step in there. You know what I mean. It's 1:15:50.320 --> 1:15:53.120 nothing about the people itself. It's just a certain spiritual 1:15:53.160 --> 1:15:56.519 aspect about us that came out of that tragedy. That's beautiful, right, 1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:59.760 you know what I mean. So I love to see 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:05.320 see different manifestations of that. So Martin, this couple that 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:07.800 was trying to make their way in the world, you know, 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:11.360 living single, these black women who were like best friends 1:16:11.520 --> 1:16:12.519 making their way in the world. 1:16:13.160 --> 1:16:13.320 You know. 1:16:13.520 --> 1:16:17.240 So, and what do we need most? We need help 1:16:17.280 --> 1:16:19.840 making our way in this world. You know, we know 1:16:19.920 --> 1:16:22.360 what the world is. You know, you got somebody shooting 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:23.439 up kids in the school. 1:16:24.000 --> 1:16:25.960 Can't do nothing about it because nobody would get them 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:28.840 from stop selling drug you know, all the stuff that 1:16:28.920 --> 1:16:34.200 we we see, but somehow there's this this this membrane. 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:40.360 That keeps us all together, you know, right, you weren't 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:42.760 see before with Chris Rock. What's your relationship with Rock? 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:46.479 That's my man, that's where Man, we've been buddies for 1:16:46.640 --> 1:16:50.160 so far. Back we were the first ones here in Hollywood. 1:16:50.600 --> 1:16:55.120 It was me, Rock and Martin. We were the young ones. 1:16:55.760 --> 1:16:57.400 We were the young guns coming in here. Did you 1:16:57.479 --> 1:16:59.679 reach out to Rock when he went through that episode, 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:02.320 We'll I did it. Hedn't called me back though, but 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:07.080 he finally called me back, you know, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, 1:17:07.120 --> 1:17:09.320 you probably I know what he was going through. So 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:10.960 I was like, the first thing I thought about was 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:14.400 in Mama. I said, Man, she about to kill somebody 1:17:14.439 --> 1:17:16.600 right now, you know, But. 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:21.160 You're not surprised that he reacted the way that he did. Now, 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:25.080 when Chris said what he said, right, do you think 1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:29.600 did you think it warranted that? No? 1:17:30.240 --> 1:17:33.519 But I ain't him, Okay, you know, I kind of 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:36.679 looked at what he was up against as him about 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:38.720 what I know about him, you know. 1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:42.360 But you said that day he might have just been 1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:44.679 having a bad day. That might not be the person 1:17:44.760 --> 1:17:46.800 that he is, But that was the person that he 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:47.800 was that day. 1:17:48.120 --> 1:17:51.559 I think it was fear. Fear can do some things 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:54.960 when emotions is high. Common sense at all time low. Right, 1:17:56.280 --> 1:18:00.000 this is the first time that they actually even acknowledge 1:18:00.200 --> 1:18:02.960 me to get it, Oscar. This is the one I 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:04.920 did my best job at. 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:06.120 Right. 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:10.840 I've been on social media trying to be cool through 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:12.719 this whole thing that's happening with me and my wife. 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:16.000 I don't got to go into specifics. If anybody had 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:17.800 a camera come in their house with them and their 1:18:17.840 --> 1:18:21.760 wife or them as a marriage, they would burn their 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.240 house down to keep you out of their right because 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:27.280 some things ain't nobody business, correct. So he's dealing with 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:32.360 that and balancing his whole, his whole persona. He is 1:18:32.439 --> 1:18:35.559 Will Smith, right, he never gonna stop. He always gonna 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:39.000 be the best. And to me, he's a winner, you know, 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:42.880 and we do. Any of us has to have moments. Yes, Yeah, 1:18:42.880 --> 1:18:45.240 that's why the dude roll in sand. Let the first 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:47.479 one throw the stone without the sin. 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:47.800 Yeah. 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:50.920 You know, if the whole world was out for we 1:18:51.000 --> 1:18:53.280 all be sitting here going, hey, give me some water, 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:56.280 you know. And so I just thought it was fear. 1:18:56.320 --> 1:18:59.640 But that's just my take because it was all on 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:02.960 the line. It was all on the line. It's like 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:07.519 it was getting really hot. You know, A person jumps 1:19:07.560 --> 1:19:09.759 out of the World Trade Center at the one hundred 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:12.560 and eighteenth floor, and you go, why would they do that? 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:15.160 Because the pain got so intense. They didn't care. They 1:19:15.240 --> 1:19:17.639 just want to really fast, you know. And I thought 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:22.600 that that's what really happened, was that he just was 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:26.680 extremely frightened about not getting in at what people think. 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:30.880 They're already thinking this thing, you know, and he I 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:33.120 don't say, I wouldn't say he was wrong for being fearful, 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:40.080 you know, but wrong for wrong for busting somebody in 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:43.600 the mouth. And he did nothing to you, you know. 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:46.080 Jada Pete can't put it on that no, no. 1:19:46.120 --> 1:19:50.840 No no, but her she heard I read when she 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:54.120 cut filming short so you could actually talk to your 1:19:54.160 --> 1:19:54.599 birth mom. 1:19:56.479 --> 1:20:02.000 They're good friends, get okay, Jada from Jada's from one 1:20:02.040 --> 1:20:05.040 of my best friends. Yeah, you know, we're real, real tight, right, 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:07.519 And she saw that something was wrong with me one day. 1:20:07.960 --> 1:20:10.240 I don't know how you know how you know people yes, yes, yes, 1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:11.880 and so were about to do the scene and I'm 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:13.439 laughing at joke, and she said, what's wrong with you? 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:15.240 I said, what you talking about? 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:15.360 Man? 1:20:15.400 --> 1:20:19.639 Go ahead, girl, she said, something's wrong with you. What's 1:20:19.720 --> 1:20:20.040 going on? 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:20.760 Right? 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:23.559 I'm like, what you're talking about? What's going on? She said, 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:28.200 something's wrong? She said, come here, what's happening with you? Like, girl, 1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:31.840 what are you talking about? I said, I just met 1:20:31.880 --> 1:20:34.439 my real mother for the first time. She said, that's it, 1:20:34.960 --> 1:20:37.720 you guys, that's a wrap for the day. Go deal 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:40.920 with that. Man. You can't be exposed to that right 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:45.160 now and be normal under no circumstance. Go deal with that. 1:20:45.520 --> 1:20:47.439 So what was the conversation? Like with you? So? How 1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:49.160 long can you had never met your birth mother? 1:20:49.280 --> 1:20:49.439 Never? 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:52.080 And so how old were you when this happened. I 1:20:52.160 --> 1:20:54.840 think it was probably about thirty four. So you have 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:57.200 a conversation with your birth mother? How did that? 1:20:57.520 --> 1:21:01.120 How did so? What? How did conversation start? 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:04.680 It was hard because she's like, hi, baby, and this 1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:07.200 that and the other, like this ain't my mother, you 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:10.800 know instinctively, my gut, you ain't my mom, you know 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:12.960 what I mean? And so we talked and it was 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:17.400 really just kind of a kind of a house the 1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:19.800 sunshine and that kind of thing. It's really good to 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:23.840 meet you, you know, And she's like, likewise, you know, 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:27.679 stay in touch in that thing, did you? Ah? Yeah, 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:30.640 I did. But I went through a lot over that 1:21:31.760 --> 1:21:35.519 because it triggered some stuff in me that was from 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:38.760 so far back. As long as I wasn't exposed to her, 1:21:39.880 --> 1:21:43.479 I never would have started experiencing the things I experienced inside. 1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:49.120 I started really experiencing like like using using anxiety, man 1:21:49.360 --> 1:21:53.640 like like low low low sadness and and and anxiety, 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:58.640 and like I started feeling really crappy and and I 1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:00.600 didn't expect it either because my mom never told me 1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:03.439 she would go do that. My mom, she said, I 1:22:03.479 --> 1:22:06.040 got your mom on the phone, your real mom, and 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:08.960 I found her randomly in the database because she worked 1:22:08.960 --> 1:22:12.680 at Housing Urban Development, so she saw her name and 1:22:12.720 --> 1:22:14.320 she said, this can't be her, and it was her. 1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:16.320 You want to talk to it? I was like, I 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:18.760 don't know. I want to say it now. Well, I 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:20.760 don't know. So what question did you have? 1:22:20.920 --> 1:22:21.360 Did you have? 1:22:21.640 --> 1:22:23.479 Why did you give me up? Why didn't you keep me? 1:22:24.479 --> 1:22:28.760 We didn't get to it then. It wasn't until later later, 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:32.639 you know, we did we actually did therapy together. Wow, 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:34.960 you know, and we actually got to the point where 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:38.320 I remember going to visit even I saw the whole family. 1:22:38.400 --> 1:22:39.840 So I was filled with george just to see people 1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:42.599 of my color that looked like me, looked like all 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:45.519 my little kids. We got the same little nose and everything, right, 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:49.080 So that was good to see. But I went over 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:53.599 there just to really visit the family, right, and on Easter. 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:57.160 Easter was the day my natural brother lost his life, 1:22:57.800 --> 1:23:00.680 died that day. So I was like, let me just 1:23:00.760 --> 1:23:03.960 go over there, give love to that, you know, I'm 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:06.599 I'm I'm a person of the world. And so as 1:23:06.680 --> 1:23:11.160 they were doing the prayers, she and she's a Baptist minister, 1:23:11.680 --> 1:23:14.800 so she goes around the country, you know, doing that, 1:23:14.920 --> 1:23:17.559 and so she's going to say the prayers, and during 1:23:17.600 --> 1:23:20.800 the prayers, she started saying Tommy was a hard baby 1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:23.880 to take care of. He had whelps all over his body, 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:26.280 you know, and he would bleed over those and he 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:28.680 cry a lot. It's hard to take care of it. 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:31.000 And his mother stole her from him, from me, and 1:23:31.080 --> 1:23:34.360 blah blah blah blah, that's not the time, right right right, 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:38.320 So I'm there, yeah, man, that that it hurt, but 1:23:38.360 --> 1:23:44.400 I'm babba Davidson's son, though, right, So I just said, 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:48.240 took a deep breath and I took over. I said, you, guys, 1:23:48.280 --> 1:23:51.360 I don't think. I don't think today is about that. 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:54.160 You know, that was so long ago and the world 1:23:54.280 --> 1:23:56.719 was so different back then. You know, I'm the person 1:23:56.800 --> 1:24:00.120 that I am now, you know, and and who's so 1:24:00.320 --> 1:24:03.439 who from it doesn't even matter. It's it's it's a 1:24:03.560 --> 1:24:07.280 it's a it's a miracle really because here I am 1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:10.280 part of both of y'all. You see what I mean, 1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:13.599 And this is the day that we should be thinking 1:24:13.600 --> 1:24:18.880 about our man, his homegoing right. And after they dropped hands, 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:20.880 I was like, I looked at my nephew, who I 1:24:20.960 --> 1:24:24.840 loved so much, and my bigger brother, who remembered me 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:28.400 being left my only two only the two oldest ones 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:31.040 remember me. The rest of them are like, you mean, 1:24:31.120 --> 1:24:34.240 my brother's don't live a color you crazy? They were 1:24:34.400 --> 1:24:37.200 crying like, oh man, it's so good to see you. 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:39.719 When I first met him, and it was on Christmas, 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:42.400 my brother like a big brother, could do you notice 1:24:43.240 --> 1:24:46.200 he walked me to the elevator. He told me, look 1:24:46.240 --> 1:24:52.680 at me right here, I'm your brother, your big brother here, 1:24:53.920 --> 1:25:02.720 And I was like, yeah, okay, you know that's it's 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:05.880 one of them things that you got to you gotta 1:25:05.920 --> 1:25:08.960 give them that you ain't gonna you see what I 1:25:09.040 --> 1:25:12.320 mean that he meant it, and I left out of there, 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:14.599 and then one of her sisters, one of my mother's sisters, 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:17.320 stopped me at the stairs and said, good for you, 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:21.200 good for you. Somebody need to tell her something, you know. 1:25:21.240 --> 1:25:23.120 I said thank you, and then we left, and then 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:26.240 my nephew turned to me as we were driving, he said, 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:29.120 you know what, Tommy, I think what happened just now 1:25:29.200 --> 1:25:31.120 is probably the best thing that ever happened to my family, 1:25:32.360 --> 1:25:34.479 you know. And I was able to convince her to 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:40.400 come to therapy, you know, with my mother, and we 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:43.200 did it and that's when it all came out. She 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:45.080 was there in that kind of denial. And it was 1:25:45.160 --> 1:25:48.120 a family session, right, So all family families talk about 1:25:48.160 --> 1:25:50.200 their issues, and then they have a group of people 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:52.360 that trust each other get feedback. 1:25:51.960 --> 1:25:53.439 On what she was trying to place. 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:57.320 The blame r else other than right, right, And everybody said, Tommy, 1:25:57.720 --> 1:25:59.840 I'm named after her country girl, Tommy Jean. 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:00.240 Right. 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:02.640 So my mother gave me her name right right, And 1:26:03.040 --> 1:26:05.640 everybody was saying, hey, you know, it sounds like you 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:08.040 blame it on him, and then that's what it sounds like. 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:10.720 It all of them had feedback. So when it came 1:26:10.800 --> 1:26:16.000 back to her, it was like it was something to watch. Wow. 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:24.479 She started trembling and she went into like a like 1:26:24.600 --> 1:26:28.879 a seizure like you know, and she was on herself 1:26:29.040 --> 1:26:34.600 and threw up and all that stuff. And then they 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:37.400 came back and got her together, and she came back 1:26:37.439 --> 1:26:40.240 to the room and she told me what happened. Wow, 1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:44.040 she said, I was scared. She said, I was nineteen. 1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:47.760 I already had four kids. Wow. I was seeing a 1:26:47.840 --> 1:26:51.479 guy who was fifty something, who already had a family, 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:53.800 and it was rich. He was rich in country terms, 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:55.200 because I'm from Greenville, Mississippi. 1:26:55.280 --> 1:26:55.719 Oh okay. 1:26:55.880 --> 1:26:58.760 So if you're an undertaker, you know you up with it, 1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:01.240 you know what I mean. So I was his chick 1:27:01.320 --> 1:27:04.519 on the side, you know. And plus I got I 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:07.639 got strung out on heroin. So I was out the streets. 1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:10.400 I had the kids, and I was losing it, man, 1:27:11.080 --> 1:27:13.840 and I got scared. I got an opportunity to go 1:27:13.920 --> 1:27:18.040 to Detroit or to move the kids to Milwaukee, and 1:27:18.120 --> 1:27:20.439 I just left you. I just put it out of 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:24.479 my mind. You know. She was crying hysterically, and then 1:27:24.520 --> 1:27:28.080 I saw her in that, in that state, and I 1:27:28.200 --> 1:27:33.400 was able to forgive her because I saw it. But 1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:35.080 you dealt with some issues of your own. 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:41.160 Did that traumatic experience play a role in what you 1:27:41.400 --> 1:27:43.000 ended up having to deal with and what you had 1:27:43.040 --> 1:27:43.559 to overcome? 1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:46.320 I think it was all of it. It was it was, 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:49.519 it was all of it. It was just my life 1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:52.880 up to that point, you know, And it was a 1:27:53.000 --> 1:27:55.840 meant to be processed that I had to go through, 1:27:58.479 --> 1:28:00.840 you know, to get to know God a little bit 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:04.240 better and get to know what his intention was from me. 1:28:05.760 --> 1:28:05.920 You know. 1:28:07.400 --> 1:28:12.840 I was going through like like the the bottom, you know, 1:28:13.000 --> 1:28:15.120 and I dealt with everything, drugs, drink, all of it. 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:18.560 And I was in my in my bedroom by myself 1:28:20.280 --> 1:28:23.439 in the dark. All my good friends were like gone, 1:28:24.120 --> 1:28:27.639 like we can't, we can't watch this. So my friend 1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:31.600 God bless him in his family major brown from they 1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:33.680 from Tosa, Oklahoma. I never see no black folks like 1:28:33.720 --> 1:28:36.439 that ever. I never see I never met black black 1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:39.559 people from the South. Y'all were a revelation to me. Y'all, 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:42.200 old y'all are whole different thing. Man, So they sent 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:44.160 me a prayer I'll tell you how different y'all are. 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:47.720 Major went, I went to visit his family, and his 1:28:47.840 --> 1:28:52.080 grandmother answered the door, right, she about ninety. She opened 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:54.680 the door and she said to him, give it to me. 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:57.800 I was like, huh, she said, give it to me, 1:28:58.640 --> 1:29:03.240 and he's standing there. She said, come on, give it 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:09.200 to me, and he did his Easter recital word for word. 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:10.240 You know. 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:18.439 It's a different thing, you know. So they sent me 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:24.360 a prayer cloth right from the whole family, prayed artist, 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:26.720 you know. And I put it between my Bible and 1:29:26.760 --> 1:29:29.360 I was like, ah, man, it works, So I guess 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:32.400 of whatever, right, right? And then his sister called me 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:36.280 thing and I picked up the phone and she said, 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:39.040 you know what, Tommy, She said, sometimes we just have 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:43.559 to hang. We have to hang in there. We got 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:47.559 to hang like he did in pain and have faith 1:29:47.600 --> 1:29:48.360 that it's going to pass. 1:29:48.600 --> 1:29:48.720 Right. 1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:52.800 She said, you think that felt good? One here, one here, 1:29:53.040 --> 1:29:55.160 one here, and he's and his body weight is only 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:59.200 holding him. You think that felt good? Crowd of throwing 1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:01.120 on his head, right, Even he doubted it, even at 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:05.600 the point he was saying, what the hell right? But 1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:09.120 that faith right? Right, she said, sometimes we just got 1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:12.280 to hang in that pain. And I hung in it. 1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:13.880 How hard was it? 1:30:14.640 --> 1:30:17.479 Look, I'm a firm believer it's a lot easier going 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:21.360 through something in private. You're a public person and you're 1:30:21.400 --> 1:30:26.000 going through your addictions a public figure in a public way. 1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:29.400 Did it make it more difficult? Did it make you 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:31.240 a shame? Did it make you withdraw? 1:30:33.280 --> 1:30:36.400 Actually, in ways it did, but it didn't because I 1:30:36.439 --> 1:30:39.080 got to the point where it didn't matter. It wasn't 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:43.080 about that. It's about me, right, It's about me being 1:30:43.120 --> 1:30:47.519 alive and me being able to enjoy what life has 1:30:47.560 --> 1:30:51.280 to give me. Because I really didn't know. My Auntie 1:30:51.320 --> 1:30:54.760 told me, you ain't know no better, you know. I 1:30:54.800 --> 1:30:56.320 remember going to her when I had a year sober. 1:30:56.800 --> 1:30:58.280 I said, all y, I got a year sober, and 1:30:58.320 --> 1:31:01.320 she said, now don't you feel better? Said? Yeah, I 1:31:01.360 --> 1:31:03.800 feel better. She said, that's all the matter is that 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:05.439 you feel better. And she said, I got to go 1:31:05.520 --> 1:31:08.640 to the store, you know. So it was like one 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:15.360 of those things where I had to dig in and 1:31:15.520 --> 1:31:18.800 do the work so that can keep the life I have. 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:20.400 And I had to realize that it was good in 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:22.760 the first place, you know, And there was a lot 1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:25.240 of stuff shrouding that stuff. That's why I wrote the book. 1:31:26.520 --> 1:31:30.560 I wrote the book because if I can do it, 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:36.680 then others can. And if I be specific, that's why 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:38.320 I don't go into the specific. And that's why I 1:31:38.360 --> 1:31:40.960 got my book, because it's a one on one experience 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:42.360 when you read it, so you can get to it. 1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:44.800 And I also did the voice over so you can 1:31:44.920 --> 1:31:51.160 really hear one on one, you know. And that was 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:54.240 my gift back to the good universe and to the 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:56.280 God I know, and to all the love that I 1:31:56.360 --> 1:31:59.000 got from all the people you know that didn't even 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:01.920 know me. You know, when I lived in when I 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:05.280 when I lived in the Midwest, when I was a kid, 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:07.960 I never heard the word nigga from a white person. 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.960 White person. White people ain't the same. They' all don't 1:32:13.000 --> 1:32:16.920 think the same, they' all don't hate us. I don't 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:20.440 care what nobody says. I'm speaking from my experience. 1:32:20.479 --> 1:32:21.439 That's all you can speak from. 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:25.200 Right. How can I become me and not know that 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:27.000 as a fact, right, right? 1:32:27.400 --> 1:32:27.519 Right? 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:33.560 So it just became a very important book for me 1:32:33.640 --> 1:32:36.720 because I realized that I can take all those experiences 1:32:36.800 --> 1:32:41.000 that I went that I paid for through through sadness, 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:44.960 through despair and all of that, all of that, and 1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:48.280 let me put it in a book that they can 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:53.320 grab and go through and maybe they can compare what 1:32:53.360 --> 1:32:56.600 they're going through, well what I was going through, like 1:32:56.720 --> 1:32:59.479 I did with books, like I did with stuff people 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:02.479 gave me. Let me pass it on, right, let me 1:33:02.560 --> 1:33:10.600 pass it on, Mount Rushman. Who's your Mount Rushmore? Comedians me? No, 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:14.600 it was Prior. 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:27.120 Eddie Hm, Cosby, Fox j Red Jamie Red. 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:34.840 We're talking about stand up, stand up comedy. I'm gonna 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:35.439 forget his name. 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:42.000 Prior Fox, Red Red, No, Prior Fox Cosby Red. 1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:45.120 Red Fox is the same person. 1:33:45.680 --> 1:33:49.800 Yeah, yeah, okay, well you know Richard p Yeah, Red Fox, Right, 1:33:50.040 --> 1:33:52.080 Bill Cosby, you got one more? 1:33:52.240 --> 1:33:52.800 I get one more. 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:53.880 Yeah, that's what that's about. 1:33:53.920 --> 1:33:59.559 Rushmore. You got four heads on about Rushmore. O'kay fine, 1:34:00.479 --> 1:34:06.280 uh no, not a bonus, nope, skip No, I'm just kidding, Skipper, 1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:16.720 give me bone. No man, hands be old too. You 1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:17.400 just can't see it. 1:34:17.960 --> 1:34:19.479 Uh So, So. 1:34:21.560 --> 1:34:26.200 Bernie, I'm gonna have to say, George Carlin, I'm gonna 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:26.920 have to throw him in there. 1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:28.200 I thought you were gonna go Chappelle. 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:30.400 Oh man, But that's my contemporary. 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:35.040 So you know what, that's the exact same thing. Smooth said, Damn, 1:34:35.439 --> 1:34:36.080 I had JB. 1:34:36.200 --> 1:34:36.479 Smooth. 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:39.800 Then he said, man, it's great as Chappelle live. He'll contemporary. 1:34:39.800 --> 1:34:42.200 I can't put him up Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:46.080 not like but I put him up there because I 1:34:46.120 --> 1:34:50.320 don't understand that. Boy, I don't understand him. You know, 1:34:50.439 --> 1:34:52.760 I'm sweating by the end of the show because that's 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:56.439 the way I do show. He can stand there and 1:34:56.479 --> 1:34:57.720 smoke a cigarette. Yeah. 1:34:58.320 --> 1:35:03.400 You know, it's something that about him and the times 1:35:03.479 --> 1:35:09.639 that we're in right where he's able to make everybody 1:35:09.800 --> 1:35:13.919 laugh during these circumstances, and that got to take a genius. 1:35:15.160 --> 1:35:16.720 You know, he grew up in my neighborhood, right in 1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:18.960 my neighborhood. Yeah, he used to be scared of us, right, 1:35:19.240 --> 1:35:23.000 like even still today. I'm like, that's a long time ago, man, right, 1:35:23.240 --> 1:35:25.160 you know what I mean, Like, you know, we're always different. 1:35:26.880 --> 1:35:28.680 But it's just the amazing things that he can do. 1:35:29.360 --> 1:35:31.840 He can say some things that nobody can say. He 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:34.160 tell a story, man, he can tell no one can 1:35:34.240 --> 1:35:35.720 say that, and he makes it. 1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:38.280 You know, I'm saying, I guess there's truth that you know, 1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:41.360 there's truth in comedy, and he can tell he can 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:45.240 tell a story truthfully and make it funny. 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:47.960 Now he looks like Schegel. I'm just kidding, but but 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:51.800 I'm just saying I'm a big lord of the ring. 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:55.439 That's alone has nothing to do it anyway. I like 1:35:55.479 --> 1:35:59.400 the name Schmigl anyway, so so so he's a he's 1:35:59.439 --> 1:36:04.200 a genius and all of them is right. Man. Every 1:36:04.240 --> 1:36:07.439 time I say I'm the best, I look at somebody 1:36:07.479 --> 1:36:11.120 and go, well, you know, you know, hey, you got 1:36:11.200 --> 1:36:15.120 some more work to do. Still, still, you know, because 1:36:15.120 --> 1:36:19.280 it's the process, right right, You add things on, you know, 1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:21.360 and you can always have room for growth. 1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:24.599 Well, I'm discounting your what you call them because of Murphy. 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:26.080 Better be on my rushmore too. 1:36:26.280 --> 1:36:27.040 I put him, didn't I? 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:27.360 No? 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:33.360 I put Eddie first, prior check the tapes? Did he 1:36:33.400 --> 1:36:35.840 put erdie? No? Didn't I say Eddie first? 1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:35.920 No? 1:36:36.840 --> 1:36:38.760 I meant to say it first, though. You must be 1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:42.000 talking about Eddie Haskell much. I meant to say Eddie first, though. No, 1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:43.920 you didn't skip. 1:36:44.240 --> 1:36:48.800 No, No, Hey, I'm gonna get out of here. 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:51.080 You got a few more, all right? P Diddy was 1:36:51.120 --> 1:36:51.679 your assistant? 1:36:52.680 --> 1:36:54.519 What kind of My sister was P Diddy, because you 1:36:54.520 --> 1:36:56.840 remember he had he had that reality show and then 1:36:56.840 --> 1:36:58.679 he trying to find the sisters. He worked, he worked. 1:36:58.840 --> 1:37:03.320 Don't work the dog at him. Man, you work? Nah, Nah, 1:37:03.400 --> 1:37:06.479 I did. I didn't have to. I didn't have to. 1:37:06.560 --> 1:37:09.040 He was a hard worker. He was smart as a whip. 1:37:09.479 --> 1:37:11.519 He's there for everything I need. We was out every 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:13.840 night in New York. He shook me to every club 1:37:14.320 --> 1:37:16.200 and I knew he was gonna be something, but I 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:19.040 didn't know it's gonna be like that. Yeah, I knew 1:37:19.040 --> 1:37:21.360 he was. That boy was smart. First thing he said 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:23.679 to me was you got get rid of his widow's peak. 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:24.760 And I was like, I ain't getting rid of a 1:37:24.800 --> 1:37:26.519 widow peak. He said, but when he get on the 1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:28.080 big screen, it's gonna look big. I said, Man, this 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:31.040 is mine. This way I do my thing. Man, strictly 1:37:31.080 --> 1:37:33.040 business came on and I seen it. I looked like 1:37:33.120 --> 1:37:40.479 a vampire with a shark fin Yeah, okay, I was like, 1:37:41.000 --> 1:37:41.360 damn it. 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:43.000 He was right, man. 1:37:43.439 --> 1:37:47.920 You know, he was sharp, and he's a cool kid, 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:54.240 a cool kid, and straight up I saw him bus 1:37:54.360 --> 1:37:57.400 one of the one of the big Union dudes. In 1:37:57.479 --> 1:37:59.800 the face you know, because the Union dude was up 1:37:59.840 --> 1:38:02.479 on him. He tried to warn him, said, I'm just 1:38:02.560 --> 1:38:05.000 dropping his bags off. You gotta get that out of here. 1:38:05.600 --> 1:38:07.439 You know, I'm just tired that I'm in assistant. I'm 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:10.439 trying to drop his bag off. He said, get it 1:38:10.520 --> 1:38:11.840 out of here, and get it out of here. And 1:38:11.960 --> 1:38:13.720 now he said, well why am I? How am I 1:38:13.760 --> 1:38:15.880 gonna put it too? And the big dude lunch and 1:38:16.000 --> 1:38:18.960 he died, caught him with the corner of the corner. 1:38:19.000 --> 1:38:22.240 Corner corner in the corner corner corner opened him up. Yeah, 1:38:22.360 --> 1:38:24.840 in the corner was like, you know, you know, it's 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:28.800 like Denzel when he was getting whipped, you know in 1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:34.840 Chlory and the terror came out that side, you know 1:38:34.880 --> 1:38:39.559 what I mean. Right, Yeah, And he was calling around 1:38:39.600 --> 1:38:41.160 and he called me and said I can't get out, 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:44.120 and I said, I come down there, and I just 1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:47.280 tried my influence and my name and all that. They 1:38:47.320 --> 1:38:50.040 said they let him out of his personal recognizance. And 1:38:50.120 --> 1:38:53.880 that's one person. He never forgot me never. We still 1:38:54.000 --> 1:38:56.760 we still like that. Wow. You know, he shortened me 1:38:56.800 --> 1:38:58.280 because I'm older than him, you know what I mean. 1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:03.559 But shorty man, he's He's gone to a whole nother level. 1:39:03.640 --> 1:39:05.880 I wish I could talk to him sometimes. I wish 1:39:05.920 --> 1:39:08.280 we had that that that because I can help him 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:10.120 to I see right, you know, but I think I 1:39:10.160 --> 1:39:12.839 can help everybody. But I wish I had an opportunity 1:39:12.880 --> 1:39:13.200 to do that. 1:39:13.680 --> 1:39:14.040 But I do. 1:39:14.880 --> 1:39:16.240 I just can't choose who I'm gonna do it with 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:19.879 right anything you like to promote. I know you're a musician, 1:39:20.000 --> 1:39:22.719 but you got a website. I got a website. 1:39:22.840 --> 1:39:23.960 What is it? I don't know. 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:24.560 I'm asking you. 1:39:25.160 --> 1:39:27.320 Is your website Tommy Davison? 1:39:27.720 --> 1:39:31.360 My website is d Tommy Davidson. What the Tommy Davis 1:39:31.520 --> 1:39:33.000 dot com? As a matter of fact, so what is 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:34.839 the website? What are you doing on the website? Everywhere 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:36.759 you can get me? Everywhere. You can get my music, 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:40.320 you can get my tour, you can get clips. I 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:42.280 got a tie line. We've been meeting to bring you 1:39:42.439 --> 1:39:44.519 that ever since you got on TV. We got to 1:39:44.520 --> 1:39:48.000 send you some everything that I've done, sketches. You know, 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:50.519 everything about me you can and it'll take you to 1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:53.519 It'll take you straight to TikTok, straight to Instagram. It's 1:39:53.600 --> 1:39:55.640 like my central central. 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:56.680 Place, you know. 1:39:56.720 --> 1:39:58.439 And I've just been blessed. You know, I gotta I 1:39:58.479 --> 1:40:01.160 got a new single out. I know it's called I 1:40:01.280 --> 1:40:04.920 know my new song. I know with Richard Elliott, I 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:06.840 broke it into smooth jazz. Who knows where I'm going 1:40:06.880 --> 1:40:09.240 to go next? You know, I've been able to get 1:40:09.280 --> 1:40:12.040 into the smooth jazz industry as a singer. When I 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:16.200 saw Jamie as a singer, I was like, Okay, that's 1:40:16.240 --> 1:40:17.720 good because he broke it in. But I wanted to 1:40:17.760 --> 1:40:20.080 do that. But I had to find the right lane 1:40:20.200 --> 1:40:23.880 for me, right right, Like what does the coach bring 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:26.840 to your to your teams? They bring their philosophy right, 1:40:27.760 --> 1:40:29.880 how they work it right, and then you guys kind 1:40:29.920 --> 1:40:32.320 of shape it with what y'all do you know when 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:34.160 we did this at this school or whatever, they can 1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:37.320 modify it and not be too too rigid. Right, No, 1:40:37.520 --> 1:40:40.200 that's what we're doing. And how many coaches that we've seen, yes, 1:40:40.720 --> 1:40:44.519 gone because this is the system that exactly. So that's 1:40:44.640 --> 1:40:47.760 kind of how how I looked at music. Where can 1:40:47.800 --> 1:40:50.680 I be most successful? Now? Where can I have it 1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:53.920 be something genuine you know and real about me with 1:40:54.040 --> 1:40:58.840 the music, and how can I help the listener? Okay, 1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:00.880 you know when I see her kids listening to what's 1:41:01.280 --> 1:41:05.080 going on in the radio now, I don't really see 1:41:05.120 --> 1:41:08.519 a lot of stuff that can really help them grow 1:41:09.240 --> 1:41:13.240 and be and be much much stronger, you know, spiritually stronger, 1:41:13.320 --> 1:41:16.920 mentally stronger. I just don't see that happening in the 1:41:17.040 --> 1:41:20.240 music that's coming out of them. You know, I'm gonna 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:23.639 do the music that's natural to me and just let 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:26.000 it be, you know. I'm just stay in my lane 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:28.400 and just do what I do and just let it 1:41:29.400 --> 1:41:32.320 kind of flower from there, because I've been a musician 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:36.760 and a singer since i was a little kid, you know, 1:41:37.360 --> 1:41:42.040 and so I'm just I'm doing like Plexico did. Plex Goo. Uh. 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:44.719 They had them an interview, right all. 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:47.560 Right, plex Goo you you you shot yourself in the 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:50.080 in the leg. You were in jail, you know, a 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:53.519 whole year off. You hear in the super Bowl you 1:41:53.720 --> 1:41:56.760 catch the clutch, catch to close this thing out? 1:41:57.520 --> 1:41:58.479 What what what do you? 1:41:58.640 --> 1:41:58.960 What do you? 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:02.160 What do you take for that? He said? I just 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:06.200 asked God this morning, if you just get me to 1:42:06.320 --> 1:42:08.519 the field, I'll appreciate just that. 1:42:10.040 --> 1:42:13.160 Ray, Ray, you were up for a drug I mean 1:42:13.439 --> 1:42:16.120 the shootings. You were about to go to jail, as 1:42:16.160 --> 1:42:19.640 a whole season. The Patriots put up a thing, this 1:42:19.840 --> 1:42:23.160 your your party. You end up getting MVP and the 1:42:23.200 --> 1:42:26.680 big old dancing Hoiston. What are you attest to that? 1:42:27.479 --> 1:42:30.400 He said, Well, I knew God would have put me 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:32.760 through such a trial unless there was. 1:42:32.800 --> 1:42:36.320 A tronymph behind it. I got brand new ears where 1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:40.240 I can hear, I can hear it. The Obannons won 1:42:40.320 --> 1:42:43.320 the national championship, right, and they were the last seed 1:42:43.439 --> 1:42:45.240 and all this, and they asked them, you know, how 1:42:45.320 --> 1:42:48.280 did you do this? And they said, we went this 1:42:48.479 --> 1:42:53.760 season by faith and not by sight, you know. And 1:42:53.840 --> 1:42:55.959 these are the principles that that I think are important 1:42:56.800 --> 1:43:00.960 for me. Right, But this is my society too, right, Right, 1:43:01.439 --> 1:43:05.479 because I'm Africa, just my cultural culturally African, and I'm 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:09.640 an African American here doesn't mean I'm outside of humanity, right, 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:14.560 I'm a part of humanity too. So why can't I 1:43:14.640 --> 1:43:18.040 speak on all our behalf? Everybody else do? 1:43:18.400 --> 1:43:18.559 Right? 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:23.360 Exactly? I got I got some input, right, and it's valid. Right, 1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:26.479 you know, if I wasn't worth nothing, they wanted to 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:27.160 have brought me over here. 1:43:33.280 --> 1:43:33.640 Here you go. 1:43:33.760 --> 1:43:35.360 We got it done, man, We got it done. That 1:43:35.520 --> 1:43:38.439 was years of passing each other. Man. Yeah, thank you man, 1:43:38.520 --> 1:43:39.960 thank you for let me talk. Man. 1:43:40.040 --> 1:43:41.080 Thanks for sharing your story. 1:43:41.240 --> 1:43:45.000 You got it. Really appreciate it. Shay Shane, tell me Davidson. 1:43:46.000 --> 1:43:50.639 All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle the price, 1:43:51.320 --> 1:43:52.000 want to slice? 1:43:52.320 --> 1:43:55.960 Got all my life? I've been grinding all my life, 1:43:56.640 --> 1:44:00.639 all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice. I should 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:04.160 play the price. One slice to pull the dice. 1:44:04.000 --> 1:44:05.240 To swap all my life. 1:44:05.280 --> 1:44:06.639 I'd be grinding all my life. 1:44:11.280 --> 1:44:11.640 M hm