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Speaker 2: and the guy that's stopping by for conversation no drinking

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Speaker 2: today is Emmy Award winner comedian actor, voice, actor, writer, producer, musician, director, author,

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Speaker 2: Been in the industry almost forty years. A friend of mine,

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Speaker 2: Tommy Davison, Talmy, How you doing, bro, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Doing long, long, long, long time. Wait skip what you skip? Skip?

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Speaker 1: Skip skip?

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Speaker 1: We're in, We're in. Goodness, You're thankful stopping. That's love. Man.

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Speaker 2: You you lightening it up. You like the scoreboarding. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate that. Yeah, you got your start. One of your

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Speaker 2: first gig you had at the Comedia. You performed in

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Speaker 2: the strip club. How you telling Joe's looking at their booty?

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Speaker 2: You see that? That was the darkness? You see that,

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Speaker 1: First one? Crap? You actually actually actually that was my

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Speaker 1: And I had got a job at a Romata Inn

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, I ain't going down there. He said,

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Speaker 1: So we go down to this club and you know,

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Speaker 1: Had you worked out anything?

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Speaker 1: No, he just said, he just said, hey, he knows

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Speaker 2: It was like that, did you all did you always

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Speaker 1: What was going on?

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a singer. That was my thing.

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Speaker 1: But I'm a big fan of Ohio players and the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: He knows say it loud. I'm black and I'm proud.

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Speaker 1: that's I just was just funny because I love happiness.

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Speaker 1: than I can ever imagine. So were you a class clown?

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Speaker 1: I think I was. I was a class clown?

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Speaker 1: Or were you trying to get attention? No, I was

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Speaker 2: Why you're living around my house? My house statement the

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Speaker 1: He's enjoying the warmth of the fireplace. The only thing

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not talking about the

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Speaker 1: comedian Somemore. I'm talking about Smarts. So from the script club,

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Speaker 1: then you start doing what? Yeah, then I started doing.

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Speaker 1: I opened up for singers. I didn't get to a

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Speaker 1: Fred Jackson saw me. You're incredible. Luther Vandross and need

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Speaker 1: A Baker went on their tour because I did singing

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Speaker 1: I love you just the same now, Rich I love you.

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Speaker 1: I can go hard, right, and so that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: But people were saying, you need to play in the clubs, right, right,

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Speaker 1: And I'd never been in the club. The first night

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Speaker 1: I went to a club, Sinbad was in town. Right,

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Speaker 1: Sinbad had won Star searchmember all the time. Yes, So

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Speaker 1: the night I met Martin and Dame Chappelle for the

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Speaker 1: And so that's the point I started working clubs. But

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Speaker 1: the big break was I won the Apollo. I didn't

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Speaker 1: win it right, but I want it right, you know

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Speaker 1: I got. I don't know how you fixed an audience.

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Speaker 1: The dude did it?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: There was a singer Day Pizza and there was me

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Speaker 1: How did you do? Don? Friends? Is is Asberry Tarking

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Speaker 1: We do this. Yeah, but that happened with everybody in

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Speaker 1: So the more you were seeing what you know, what

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Speaker 2: But how do you make how do you make it

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00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 2: funny a second and third time? Because like normally, like

434
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 2: say save that for the show, Y'll leave that on

435
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: the cunning room floor. So how if somebody's heard it,

436
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: because normally something is the only funny once, right, So.

437
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: How do you like? Okay, and then make sure Yeah,

438
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: I think Kenny did that and he created a monster.

439
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: So he said, y'all get one take. You know, the

440
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: rest of it is yours. Don't never tell us that

441
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: we improved everything from that first take. Oh okay, it was.

442
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: It was it.

443
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: We had a competition going under the under the radar.

444
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 1: What can I say that you haven't heard before? That's

445
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna make you laugh right in the middle of the sketch.

446
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: And we was doing that constantly, constantly, So if you

447
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: watch the show, Jim Carrey could be going, I just

448
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: a fire and fire like it and think that do

449
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: that again? Hold on, hold on. He caught a quick

450
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: quick one hand and he did a quick out you see,

451
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: and and you be over there going because I'm playing

452
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: this serious guy, Benny, and he's supposed to be in

453
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: my mansion, you know what I mean. But Jim Carrey

454
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 1: when he gets hit by the sushers, by the emergency squad,

455
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: he doesn't just go down like he's supposed to go

456
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: down the floor, you know, and then get up and

457
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: say his line, Tommy, I mean, Benny, I'm a FIREMUK show. Well,

458
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: when he goes down, he goes, I'm a fireman.

459
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

460
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: Now the director is saying cut stop at Jim, stop

461
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: that we don't have time. We can't be I lost

462
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: my cell or ever. We don't have time. You know.

463
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: We got to get to the next thing. We're doing

464
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: Take two an action okay eight times and I'm in tears.

465
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: My eyes are swollen. Jim, you can't do it again,

466
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: he said, I got to. That's how we were. We

467
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: got so bad because Keena said, y'all can bust lose.

468
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: He got to the point where he was coming back

469
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: to us in the back and going damn. I got

470
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: winded by that.

471
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: Jim. Let me breathe for a second. He came back

472
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: to the back and would say to us, you guys,

473
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna lose the show. We're gonna lose the show.

474
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: If y'all keep doing that, We're gonna lose the show.

475
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: I can't keep these sensors off of you.

476
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: I can't. You guys got to help me. Man and

477
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: he leave the room and we were like, yeah, right right,

478
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because that's why it was special.

479
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: People got the real thing when you found out. Why

480
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: do you think the show was canceled? I can only

481
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: I can only imagine because Keen is the one that knows.

482
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: But I just think that we weren't utilizing the whole cast,

483
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: you know, we at the point we only utilized became

484
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: m and certain players, you know what I mean. And

485
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: it didn't take away from the talent the group. But

486
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: that's what made the team, you know, So you know,

487
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: it was the thing that made in Living Color the

488
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: best was you didn't know what you were going to

489
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: see because there was so many different variations. So they

490
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: started seeing it in repetition, and I think what they

491
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: asked and this is only me being there and watching

492
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: and trying to be trying to be objective. They started

493
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: asking for new episodes, like you got to give us

494
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: something new, you know what I mean? Or we're going

495
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: to run reruns, and so he didn't feel too good

496
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: about that. That's his show, anyway, I would if I

497
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: were him, I said, I don't know if you were

498
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: to tell me what to do with my show, you

499
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. His job probably hard enough trying

500
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: to get everybody in there, you know what I mean,

501
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: and then deal with us on the I mean we

502
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: were hard. We were really hard, but we just wouldn't stop,

503
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think that that's what happened.

504
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: But I don't really know because I wasn't there. You

505
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: were in the meeting with Fox, you know, I wasn't there, Pet,

506
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: you know Pet Dante? Yeah, right, Dante ends up leaving Minnesota.

507
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: All the players are like, hey, he was my best friend.

508
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: We used to have an orthanage together. There was you know,

509
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: I got introduced to the NFL years years ago, you know,

510
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: I got I got an NFL thing. And he ended

511
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: up leaving, And they said, well, what happened? He said, Man,

512
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: I went and talks to the owner, and that was

513
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: that he shared with some other people, you know, the

514
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: inside of whatever happened. But you're not really going to

515
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: know unless you were there. There, there wasn't podcast then

516
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: where you can get and once it's over you can

517
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: talk freely and I have to worry about you know,

518
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: the good old boy network. But so you're down and

519
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: none of that. You know, you can talk freely, but

520
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: you have to keep something to yourself.

521
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Then how how much from what you guys did then

522
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: would you be able to get away with? Now we

523
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: probably be on the air for about we'd probably be

524
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: on the air for about five minutes, you know what

525
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean? Because we just gonna go for it. Yeah,

526
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna, We're gonna. We're gonna be canceled. You know

527
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: by culture we canceled.

528
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: Can cancel culture as soon as we know your air

529
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: nerve and cancel culture. You flow on the moon like

530
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: a balloon. Cancel culture. You know, never too late and

531
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: it's never too soon. Take it to me, is all

532
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: right to be canceled?

533
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: Okay?

534
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: But in truth it shouldn't happen to us?

535
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: Why?

536
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: Because how you gonna do culture? Cancel of us? How

537
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: are you gonna cancel culture? We are culture? How do

538
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: you cancel something you are? We're everything that you are? Right,

539
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: we were emphasized gays, We emphasize on Mexicans, Asians, whites.

540
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: We're a societal show that shows each and every aspect

541
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: of the humor and the love that our country has

542
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: that binds us, right, you see what I mean? And

543
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: that's what made us really really good. There was really

544
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: no division on the show. It was all black and white.

545
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: You know.

546
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: Black people, if you ask them in a consensus what

547
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: their favorite shows are, they probably put Andy Griffith first.

548
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: Uh Lucy Beverly Hill Billies, I can go on to

549
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: Buying a Man. You know, it ain't just good Times.

550
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: And you guys, white people, what was your favorite show?

551
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: They probably put, Uh, what's what's the one of them?

552
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: We're moving all up? Move. They put that first. They

553
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: put the Jefferson first. They put good Time a good

554
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: time for you know, we all are always laughed at

555
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: the same thing. If we didn't, Al Joson would have.

556
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: Never had a career.

557
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: You know. Way back then, that's how everybody talked. It

558
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: was an accepted thing with blackface, you see, And that's

559
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: how that's that's how we got to that stage in culture.

560
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: Was because them boys came home from Vietnam, right, We

561
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: got bussing, women lived, got their live going, you know,

562
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: Mexicans got their rights, you know, the farm pickers and

563
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: that whole thing. It was just this whole culture thing

564
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: that happened in the seventies where it was cool and hip.

565
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: It was actually hip to know other people's culture, right.

566
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: It actually was cool when you held hands with people

567
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: and you said the word love and peace. Love and

568
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: peace were in style, right right, the big old peace

569
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: sign and right on, brother. You see that coming from

570
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: both the hippies and and and us. You see. So

571
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: we got to that point, right, and so this was

572
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: an outgrowth of that where we were doing. We did Lucy,

573
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: but we did at our style, right, you see what

574
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean. We did the Honeymooners, We did our you know,

575
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: we did parodies of everything that we saw when we

576
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: were kids, right, and everything that we saw in our

577
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: Hollywood adult life movies Three Champs and the Baby, you know,

578
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: me and Jamie used to do that, those two bodyguards

579
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: right right. Uh so I thought, you you you you

580
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: you you you ain't Tupac. And yeah, you ain't Tupac

581
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: because if you tubac, you'd be coming here like like

582
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: like Drake even here right. Well that was actually from Rainman.

583
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: The sketchules called main man. So it's just a black

584
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: version of Rainbter. So we were just reflection of what

585
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: culture really is. And didn't it change everything? It did?

586
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: Nothing's been the same, right, right? The corporations went to

587
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: the bank right in the billions by now right, Gatorade, Nike,

588
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: uh PlayStation what you know, went to the moon, right,

589
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: the sneaker boom went. We were hip hop before hip

590
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: hop got corporate. So we launched that revolution, and then

591
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: we launched the revolution out in the suburbs where they're

592
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: all white kids, a few black ones.

593
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: Right.

594
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: Then we launched a revolution in the inner city schools

595
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: because those kids couldn't believe they were having that, and

596
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: they were seeing themselves in roles, you see. So they

597
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: probably could try to cancel culture us if we came out,

598
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think it would be nothing pretty right,

599
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And that's not what we

600
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 1: were about, right you know, So if we can't talk

601
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: about nothing, we might as well talk about nothing until

602
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: a's alright to talk about something, you know what I mean?

603
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: Do you feel Keenan gives the credit he deserves that

604
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: family and what he a living color? You had to

605
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: see it, you had to, I mean, back there, you

606
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: you recorded it, or you found a way to get home,

607
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: but you had to see what you guys were going

608
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: to do.

609
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: Does he get the credit that he deserves? No, No,

610
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: And even I give him credit that I didn't that.

611
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize until after the show. I didn't

612
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: know how much of a genius he was when it

613
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: comes to comedy. I didn't know his people's skills were

614
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: so I mean amazing. Okay. As a producer, he was

615
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: an unbelievable writer. He's unbelievable director. He'd already direct two movies,

616
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: three movies to do. That show. His family make you

617
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: jealous because when they see each other, even the guys

618
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: kiss each other on the cheek when they see each other,

619
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm like that, you know, it's like hey brother, hey,

620
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, and they hug for a minute. You got

621
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: what is this family? You know what I mean? So

622
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: they had love too, you know, out of New York City.

623
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: So he got a street sense, you know, but when

624
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: college got a book sense, but he got his own sense,

625
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: got good sense. His mom and his daddy hard working,

626
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: you see. But it's his genius. I give you an example.

627
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: We were doing. He asked me you know, we had

628
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: to come up with stuff because she would get on

629
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: the show. So say we do something. So he said, Tommy,

630
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: sitting there everybody looking through this group, Tommy, do you

631
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: have Michael Jackson's sketch? I said yep, And then my

632
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: mouth was like I told him yes. He said I

633
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: wanted tomorrow. I said, ooh. I ran upstairs. I grabbed

634
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: the writer, man read and the writer wrote the song, out,

635
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: wrote the sketch. Out. I called the guy who does

636
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: all the music. I went right from the job to

637
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: his house. We stayed up until six in the morning

638
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: and record that thing. He recorded it, put it together.

639
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: We took it in that afternoon. We put that sketch

640
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: on his feet, you know, with all the stufff cameras

641
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: and everything, you know, because Keenan had heard the song,

642
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: he said, let's do it and set up all the

643
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: other production stuff. So we're in there. I'm singing the

644
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: song and walking through and then stop, do this part, stop,

645
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: do this part, and we do all this stuff right.

646
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: We're running plays right, just to get it in, get

647
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: it in your you know, after the first snap, you

648
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: got to run. It's in you, right. So this is

649
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: when Kenny comes in. Keeny comes in when all that's done,

650
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: and Keena just goes, do this, do this today. So

651
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: Keena comes over, he goes, hmm, okay, Tommy, when you're

652
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: when you're walking down the sidewalk from here to here,

653
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: don't just walk anybody got any chalk. We're gonna put

654
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: a hopscotch there for you see hopscotch from there to here. Okay.

655
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: So then when you go down the rest of the

656
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: rest of the sidewalk, you're gonna get to here, right,

657
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: this is the edge of the sidewalk. So do we

658
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: have a fan, one of those big giant fans. Yes,

659
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: we do. We're gonna I'm gonna have a bunch of

660
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: leaves and win just blow you back. Okay. When you

661
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: go to hit the car window, don't just hit the

662
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: car window, go.

663
00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: You know what?

664
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: And then he came up with that last line. You know,

665
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: he said, you know he might black and white, and

666
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: Keena said, uh, you're under arrest. The police says you're

667
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: under rest. And then I took at the chemera like

668
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: it's hand black. Right. He just he just tops it off, right,

669
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: he just tops it off. You knew somebody like that

670
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: who don't get credit. And right, y'all wasn't supposed to

671
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: win nothing, right, Yeah, all y'all played regal football. All

672
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: y'all were all yaard, just like any other team. Right,

673
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: But he was able to find a way to make

674
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: it work to get y'all working together and for y'all,

675
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: for y'all to buy into your roles. Right, And look

676
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: what happened twice I saw in that Atlanta game. Right,

677
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: Atlanta came down twice, rap back back, They going for

678
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: the third one. All right, we're coming in this first quarter, right,

679
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: So they ran to play and Romanowski blitzed and just

680
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: missed him by inch. Somebody on the sideline must and said,

681
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: do it again, right, because they came and did it again,

682
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, wrong.

683
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: Got them?

684
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Damn It changes the emotion on the sideline. You ain't

685
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: look back at that momentum. That momentum came back. You know.

686
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the same science.

687
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: The writers on the show. How much credit does the

688
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: writers get because you said a lot of what you

689
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: did was between you and the writers, and so you

690
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: guys have to be in sync. It's just like Rogers

691
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: and Ginger Rogers and Fredi Staire Ye Yeah, she had

692
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: the hardest job because she had to do what he

693
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: would do it backwards. She had to do it in

694
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: heals right, right, right, So they're writing this, you know, So,

695
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: so how difficult was it their job? Because they've got

696
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: to write according to you because what might be good

697
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: for you might not be good for Jamie, right, David

698
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: Allen Green or Jim carry Zamble.

699
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: So how was that?

700
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: And you're writing with different guys all the day.

701
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: It's not the same writer, right, It's got to be

702
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: a personal process, you know. The best best writers know

703
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: all that, And so they'll do their own homework. You know,

704
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: they'll go, They'll tell me, I didn't write this, But

705
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: how would you say that? You know if you say

706
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: that like that, because I'm thinking if you said it

707
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: this way, then that would be the opposite of how

708
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: you would say it. So, you know, and I'll say, well,

709
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: let's try and both when we go to the rehearsal.

710
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: If one don't work out the other one. They were

711
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: there every inch of the way. When they stopped something,

712
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: one of the writers would come in and go, don't

713
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: forget that. You get that about the Purple Bunny Man.

714
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: You can't forget that. Come on, man, it's killing like that.

715
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: And so they were involved in it. I'll give you

716
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: their credits. Okay, friends, mar Ten, how many shows are

717
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: they responsible for? They actually were the executive They are

718
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: actually the executive producers of the hottest and best shows

719
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: that lasted the longest in Hollywood. Are writers?

720
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: Wow?

721
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: And we had a veritable difference in every writer with

722
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: Franklin Najai. We had. We had we had black writers,

723
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: White writers, Jewish writers, Spanish writers, with all kinds of writers, right, okay,

724
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: and they were all and a lot of them were

725
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: really really smart kids, right and went to college and

726
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: with degrees. And this is the thing. So they're bringing

727
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: a lot of they're bringing a lot of intelligence to

728
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: the sketches, right, you know what I mean. They can

729
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: match the intelligence, the natural intelligence of us. What we

730
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: had to deal with with this country. We got to

731
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: be real brilliant because we was like, well, we can't

732
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: do nothing, but we got to do something right, and

733
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: we get that something done.

734
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: You know, they look at him, people say, well, there

735
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: was a lot of nepotism going on because he had

736
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: his brothers in, he had his sisters in. And I

737
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: heard Marlon says like f F nepotism. He says, I'm

738
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: doing this and if I can't putting my family on,

739
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: what the hell am I doing it for?

740
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: And it's true and he's right about it, and he's

741
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: right about it. But let's just say, the receiver in

742
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: the game is your brother, right, all right, and it's

743
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: twenty five o'clock. You know, you got about two passeses

744
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: going to him and he'll dropped everything from game on back?

745
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: Right?

746
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: Who you going to just because you see what I'm saying.

747
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: We're on the field and we're playing a game, right,

748
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. It wasn't like they weren't

749
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: doing their job and they were still getting roles. They

750
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: were performing right, but they got a chance to play, right.

751
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that were you know, we're

752
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Juco and should have been in the league and you

753
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: know it, but it's a game. It's bigger than just

754
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: the actual activity. So once I saw that and realize

755
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: that if you're on the other end of it, and

756
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel so good because you want to be

757
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: a part of it. With me personally, I just wanted

758
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: to be a part of the family, right, you know,

759
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: And I am right. And I am the first thing

760
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: his father said to me. His father loved me, his

761
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: whole family loved me. I got a movie. I was

762
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: the first one to get a big movie strictly business

763
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: with Halle Barrier, right, right, sah. A lot of people

764
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: were easy with that, and I was kind of like

765
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: a man. But when I went to the premiere, it's

766
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: me and Halle in in the limousine and we drive

767
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: up and we get out, and the rope is there

768
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: and all the people are there, and guess who's there.

769
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: His father and his father go to me, Tommy, Tommy,

770
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: Tommy Davison. Baby, he's proud of you, like he's a father,

771
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: you a son.

772
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

773
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: And Kingan treated me like he was one of his brothers.

774
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going through trouble or whatever. He'll say, Hey, man,

775
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: you gotta get that right. You know you work too hard.

776
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: I froze up on my first sketch on the Living College,

777
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: right because I realized I was on TV, so I'm

778
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: ready and I'm this comic that came from DC, and

779
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm ready to do this sketch, right. And I saw

780
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: the rid the red the red dot on the camera,

781
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: and I was like, I turned into like a skull, right,

782
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: and I'm there, you know they can Tommy Tommy, Tommy Tommy.

783
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: And then finally Damon walked over to me. He put

784
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: his arm around me. Man, he said, nigga, you work

785
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: way too hard to get here. You over in that

786
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: apartment with your baby. You know, I'll watched you in

787
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: them clubs. All you got to do, just do it,

788
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, you know, And that's how that's how they are.

789
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a half a dozen of one.

790
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's a tough process because you wouldn't want

791
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: to win the game, right, But the way that the

792
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: game is played, you know, I don't care how you

793
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: slice it. It's team right and rolls. You know, you

794
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: don't get that stuff. I remember Denny Green when remember

795
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: when the Vikings were packed. They had Chris, they had Moss,

796
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: they had Robert you remember roberts Robertson. They had every

797
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Jordan at t they had that defense, They had everything, Pep,

798
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: they had it all. They were the machine. And they

799
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: lost in the first round of Phoenix, you remember that,

800
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: And so they were broken because that was their year, right,

801
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: they should have been in Atlanta, right, I guess so right,

802
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: I guess they'd have been playing, y'all.

803
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. They lost to the Falcons in the championship game.

804
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah that was Renal Cunninghall.

805
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: Right, and that okay, And that hurt me because I'm

806
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: a Minnesota fan. I'm that long story.

807
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: So so how you gonna be they fan? You had

808
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 5: just came in to our Super Bowl party? Man got hey,

809
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 5: got a hey, man came pool, got out, budey Hey,

810
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 5: I'm a player, pay me. That was Neil Smith.

811
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I do.

812
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

813
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: Neil was like, that's my man, and that that's when

814
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: I discovered. I learned through the players what the game

815
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: really is. It's a freaking war, man. It ain't no joke.

816
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: You look at Jim. We're gonna talk about some of

817
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: the guys that came from the show. Jim, and he

818
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: was as big. I mean, the rains that he has

819
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: he's been tour the mask Truman Ship.

820
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you you get what he will think. Why

821
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: haven't he been liar?

822
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: Liar?

823
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Why hasn't he been as active recently as he as

824
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: he was? I only know from my personal standpoint, he's

825
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: done what he wanted to do. He's he's hit his pinnacle.

826
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: He's made as much money as he can make or whatever. Right,

827
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: I just know him as a person, one of my

828
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: best friends, and he just wants to become a better

829
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: person and do better things.

830
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: He has he has.

831
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: He's about him a tremendous motivation. Yeah, it's about what's

832
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: going on on him and the inside, because he knows

833
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: that those outside things aren't going to fix you. So

834
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: he strives to just stay on what got him there, right,

835
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, knowledge of his family, where he grew up,

836
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, just just all of that stuff that counts.

837
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, when I got in some of my final

838
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: not final interviews, but later when I had established myself,

839
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: I would have people ask me, you know, what was

840
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: your greatest accomplishment? And I started naming projects. Now I

841
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: just say my greatest accomplishment was being Barbara Davis's youngest son,

842
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Tommy Wow, because that meant something. You know. My mother

843
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: was the kind of woman that would like, you know,

844
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: we was on welfare, you know, and and you know,

845
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: you know we coming up, We're coming up the stairs

846
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: with groceries, you know, and she would start giving the

847
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: little kids food. Man, some of them were so small

848
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: they could only carry one card and the milk you know,

849
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: and I used to say, what are you doing? I

850
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: used to think she was crazy, and she'd get up

851
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: in my face too, you mean, what am I doing?

852
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing it? Ask me what I'm doing? You got

853
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: everything you need? I was like, yes, ma'am, Okay, I'm

854
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: proud to be her son, right because I still have

855
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: that in me. She was trying to show me the

856
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: universal law of exchange that if you give, you'll always

857
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: have a close hand. Can't receive or give. So she talked,

858
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: caught me that, and I realized that that's my greatest accomplished.

859
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: But now I can get an iron you know statue.

860
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to have one, you know, without the smack

861
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: and without the Digham smack. I know, we call it

862
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Digham smack.

863
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 2: You almost got one? Yeah, I almost got one? Yeah before,

864
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah you lot have been before. Hey bring it up.

865
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: But what's try to do? Is this club sha shape?

866
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah it is all right, it's cleb shache. So were talking.

867
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 1: We tell it all right. He at the Laker games,

868
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: what are y'all gonna do? And left them? Do you

869
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah? Left? Hold on. I'm like,

870
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to forget that that that that's

871
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Okay, that's a long story South Carolina. Are

872
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: you kidding me?

873
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: So he had the edge of the car going what

874
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: what Which one of y'all want something? It's like, I'm like,

875
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: it ain't one of them.

876
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: It's a whole. It's a whole.

877
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Just really quick about South Carolina? Okay, and I leave

878
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: it alone over Georgia.

879
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: I know he was from Georgia, Georgie. No, my brother

880
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: went to South Carolina. Okay. No, y'all went from South Carolina. Okay,

881
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: then ain't gonna talk about it. Okay, we're gonna put

882
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: that back there. Okay, but I heard that there were

883
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: more players in the league from South Carolina than anywhere. No,

884
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: probably Texas, California, Florida, Georgia. We ended, okay, okay.

885
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: What do you what are you?

886
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: No?

887
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: No, I do it. But it's like I forgot what

888
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: I was saying. Where was I? Oh that it's trigger

889
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: me again, Jim care And you see these grades right here.

890
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: I got a feel myself, Well, you forgot to die

891
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: before you came in.

892
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: You didn't want to look your Yeah, that's why I

893
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: put this on. It balances out, you know. If I

894
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: don't wear this and I wear a white T shirt.

895
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: You'll be going, we're doing a show with Bentley tonight.

896
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: Cookie what is his name? Oh dude did the cookies?

897
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you're famous. You got Dick Gregor here.

898
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: But you were saying about right, That's when I realized,

899
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, that this wasn't about as much. You know,

900
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: me and Jim, Me and I Will had a run in.

901
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah aye, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

902
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: I didn't find out that for fifteen years because he

903
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: never told me that. See, he came into that. He

904
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: came into the trailer and I was sitting down right,

905
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: He's standing over me like this, and he's like, I

906
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: appreciate that, man, I appreciate that. And I'm like, well,

907
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: what you're talking about? I always know to play it off, right,

908
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's told well, I'm sitting down.

909
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: This was fifteen years later, or it was this was then.

910
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: Then I didn't find out why. Well, okay, because asking

911
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: him why then, but he wouldn't say nothing, right, And

912
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm going, what's going on, man? Tell me what's happening? Man?

913
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: And since he was standing yeah, and I was sitting

914
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: a real nice fella. I mean that that's that's about physics.

915
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: Right right.

916
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, man, what's going on?

917
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: Man?

918
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean, hey man, he said, appreciate that, you know

919
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and Jada's going will will I'm saying,

920
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: but I mean, what what's happening?

921
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: Man?

922
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: Now you tell me what's happening. You know, when the

923
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: dude bottle lift about to do something, he might do something, right,

924
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I did the I did

925
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: the whole you remember the snake, Yeah, I did the snake. Well, well,

926
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: what you know, and got up and then I was like,

927
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, so what are you talking about?

928
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 4: Man?

929
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: And I was still in that prostut, so you didn't

930
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: really know what he was actually talking about.

931
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: But I know what he was doing. So I was like,

932
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: come on, man, I mean, what's up? Just tell me

933
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: what's up? Yeah, you know what's up? You know. So

934
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: finally I just said, this is a small place and

935
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: people are here, you want we should talk about it,

936
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: me and you outside because it looked like you can

937
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: need to get something off your chest, right, And then

938
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: Jada was like, oh no, no, no, no, no y'all,

939
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: no y'all. And I was like, what do you mean, Nah,

940
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: y'all tell him, tell him? And that was the end

941
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: of that, right, you see. And I never knew it

942
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: wasn't until my book came out years later where I

943
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: counted that as one of the things that really bothered

944
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: me and hurt me bad, because I didn't know when

945
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: I look up to him and I love him to death, So.

946
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: You really didn't know why he was upset. You had

947
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: no earthly idea that it was because of an on

948
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: screen kids or a tip the kids or what was

949
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: going on.

950
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: No, you know, but I ain't know why when I

951
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: was taking the subway up with my cousin uptown to

952
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: the Bronx. I ain't know why when we were fourteen,

953
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: and why these nineteen eighteen twenty year olders on the

954
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: other side of the train and looking at us, going

955
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: what what, We'll bust your ass what? I ain't know

956
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: that neither. But I still was like, huh right, you know,

957
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: waiting for that damn.

958
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: So fifteen years later, how did you find out?

959
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: This is how I found out. I put it in

960
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: the book, you know, and I found out about you

961
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: can't put something in the book about somebody unless they

962
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: sign off on it right, right. So I was like, uh,

963
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to put stuff like that

964
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: in the book anyway, But I was trying to be

965
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: real honest about my experiences so I can show that

966
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: you can go through anything and still be successful, right,

967
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: and still be a good person, you know what I mean.

968
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: And I was able to do that. But it's not easy,

969
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, but you can do it, right. So I

970
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: went to his best friend, Charlie Matt. You know Charlie Max.

971
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: I remember the song Charlie Matt. Everywhere we go down

972
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: town to a show, we have two necessities, Charlie Mack

973
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 2: and the limo.

974
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 6: Right.

975
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Well, that's like Charlie Ma. You're gonna see him at

976
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: every game. If it's a super Bowl, it's it's if

977
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: it's the Kentucky Derby, You're gonna see Charlie Mack. And

978
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: that's Will's best friend. So I called Charlie and I said, Charlie,

979
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: and what do you think about this? He said, yeah,

980
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: you do? You know Will Will cool cool? And Jada

981
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: cool too. She said, you give me the quote and

982
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: I'll send it to him, and you know, and they'll

983
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: call you. They call you Tom. I send it to

984
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: call me and Jada she said. They said, yeah, go

985
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: ahead and put that in there. Go ahead and put that.

986
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: And what I put was that I that I thought

987
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: in the book. I thought the only thing that could

988
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: be possible was The producers came to my trailer right

989
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: when we were on the last scene and it's a

990
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: kissing scene, and they said, the kissing scenes now, not

991
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: later on tonight. We got to do that now. And

992
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: I said, but I haven't rehearsed with Jada. That's the

993
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: most important rehearsal that you can ever have your lips

994
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: on a female on screen. And so I was like,

995
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: we never got a chance to work that out. You

996
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: can make it look real if she's working with you

997
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: and everything right without kissing, right, And so I said,

998
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I'm not doing that. I'm not

999
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: doing it. They said, well, we'll ask her. So it

1000
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: went and came back. She said, just go for it.

1001
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: And even then I was like, I ain't just gonna

1002
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: go for it, you know, but I know I have

1003
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: to make it look real. So I'm trying to make

1004
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: it look real. And she's kind of uncomfortable about it, right,

1005
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: you know. But we got through it, and you never

1006
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: could tell. That's all I wanted, right, was to get

1007
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: it to play into the film. Right, that's all we want, right,

1008
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, you at T one wrong block right. I mean,

1009
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: y'all you know it ain't like the receivers out here,

1010
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: all the glory all is blocking, you know what I mean?

1011
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: So you got to do it right, right. So I

1012
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: got it in there, And so they called me and said, hey,

1013
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: that is what happened. Wow. Yeah, And I didn't find

1014
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: out for that long. It was more than fifteen years.

1015
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: I was about back in two thousand, so it's more

1016
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: than that long, right, So I saw that side, you know,

1017
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: And there's nothing you can do in certain circumstances as

1018
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, the way that I grew up

1019
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: and saw things right, you know, I made it a

1020
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: good observation after trial by ass whipping right, right, Okay,

1021
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: when emotions is high, common senses at all time? Low? Yeah,

1022
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: common sense is at all time, and how low can

1023
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: you go? You see what I mean? So knowing that

1024
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: fact and just sticking on to what I learned when

1025
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, you know, my brother and

1026
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: sister being white and me being black wasn't a big deal.

1027
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: To me until I found out I was black. I

1028
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: grew up in Fort Collins, Colorado, and Wyoming, Okay. Found

1029
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: in the trash, took it straight out there, and I

1030
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: thought I was a brown one of whatever we were

1031
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: because I saw litters. So a black cat can have

1032
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: a white one, a brown one, a stack of one.

1033
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: I thought we were born like that, and I'm a

1034
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: brown one of whatever we are. Right well, we got

1035
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: the DC King had just got shot. There were riots,

1036
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: and the black kids the next day were whipping our

1037
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: ass all day and they were saying, get the white cracker,

1038
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: and get the white cracker lover. This is the things

1039
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: I learned, right, you know, And I was I was going,

1040
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: this is stupid. So I went to my mother, I said,

1041
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: why are they attacking me? Seeing I like white crackers.

1042
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: I like gram crackers, Ram crackers. You don't gotta have

1043
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: water with it or nothing. You just chewing. Get you

1044
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: to the apple juice and you're good, white cracker. You

1045
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: be like swartz niggas in total recall, you know. So

1046
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: so I found that out, and then that's where the

1047
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: first time I heard the word nigga, you know. Okay,

1048
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Because we moved to the suburbs. Then it was like

1049
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: kill the nigga. And I'm five, I'm riding my bike

1050
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: a whole truck of white boys barely getting in the door,

1051
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: people throwing stuff through the window. Nigga, this nigga that.

1052
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: So I went to my mom and I said, who

1053
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: are these niggas we gotta stay away from, you know, yeah? Yeah,

1054
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: And she told me, she said it's one of her speeches.

1055
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: She told me, hey, that's what people are. Color called

1056
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: people your color when they don't like them. Said what

1057
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: color are you? She said, we're white. I said, know,

1058
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: you're beige because I learned my colors from the grounds.

1059
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: She said no, but that's what we call ourselves. And

1060
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: so I said, well, what does nigga means? She said, well,

1061
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I mean. What is what is

1062
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: white cracker means? She said, that's what your people call

1063
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: our people when they don't like them. I said, well,

1064
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: what color are they? She said they're black. I said

1065
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: they're not, They're brown. I'm a brown one, and like, hmm,

1066
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: that's that's that's where my my whole as a child.

1067
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: That messed me up for a long time because I

1068
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that I was divided by my loved ones

1069
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: by the color. And I always thought that that was stupid.

1070
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: But it's real, right, you know, it's real. It's not

1071
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: really real because I am right about the litters and

1072
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: I am right about us. Because when we were in

1073
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: different civilizations and different colors. Anytime we would come up

1074
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: on another civilization that was a different color, the girls

1075
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: would go those guys look pretty hot, and the guys

1076
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: we go to them, girls look pretty hot, and dustly,

1077
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: we started mixing. It is the same thing. You see

1078
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Take a DNA strand you know that

1079
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: wasn't because we exchanged DNA all right, you know that's

1080
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: more like d and p's you just skip. I know,

1081
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: but I'm just I'm talking to him. You know, I

1082
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: better stopped it. I'm good. So but that but that

1083
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: was was the catalyst. And I think I found my

1084
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: purpose in all that, you know, And that's why I

1085
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: feel comfortable saying I'm her greatest accomplishment, because I believe

1086
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: I was. I think she did that on purpose, Jamie.

1087
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: I read that you and Jamie didn't always have the

1088
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: greatest relationship on set. Seemingly, you guys did a movie together.

1089
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: Did Booty call? So were you able to what what

1090
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: caused the friction and how were you able to get

1091
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 2: past it? I got shot out to Jamie, shout out

1092
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: to Jamie and prayers to you. Yeah, man, Jamie.

1093
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: I called him like, I'll make it a practice to

1094
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: be the first person to call with something like that.

1095
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: I called Still. I was one of the first people

1096
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: to call Still. She'll actually call me back, he said,

1097
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: thank you? You know what I mean? Because we was

1098
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: all like, what you kidding me? The number one due?

1099
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like never again? Like we

1100
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: was like, good God. But I compare it to you

1101
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: and Derek, You and dere Derek Thomas, both of y'all specimens,

1102
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: both of y'all special. Both y'all got speed. Both y'all

1103
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: can do what y'all do at the highest level. But

1104
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: on Sunday we thought that friendship out the window? What

1105
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: way out the window? Way out the window? Because it's

1106
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: a game as long as we remember that, you know,

1107
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: once the game is over and hey, okay, cool, But

1108
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: sometime we don't remember that, right, you know what I mean?

1109
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: It takes time and maturity to get to the point

1110
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: where you start seeing it Yeah. It was a game

1111
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: that was tied into my career, you know what I mean.

1112
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: So we had our we had our back and forth,

1113
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, we we had our negative, negative clashes.

1114
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1115
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: One of the things I observed about uh what Hollywood

1116
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: personalities sometimes experiences an inflated sense of self and are

1117
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: engaged in an extreme amount of negative competitivism. You put

1118
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: those things together and gee, you know, you know, look

1119
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: what happens. And I ain't got to point it out.

1120
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: You can see it in every every aspect of what

1121
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: we do.

1122
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: You know.

1123
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 1: I love that guy. He's like the funniest dude ever,

1124
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, jealous at times because he's so sweet with it.

1125
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: He's sweet with it.

1126
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: Man, he could the way he see you know, I'm

1127
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: like metaled, I'm like man man. Obviously community man has

1128
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: range Range did that ray thing?

1129
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't ray, Oh yeah he did. He did

1130
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: when he was in the Movee with Tom Cruise. Yeah. Man,

1131
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: he was the catcher cab driver. All the stuff that

1132
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: he did is lovely and I'm a human. I want

1133
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: to do that too. You see somebody hoisting it right,

1134
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: you want to hoist it right, right. That's just natural.

1135
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: Good friend, of mine told me that's natural to do that,

1136
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: because it's natural to want something that somebody else has, right,

1137
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1138
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: But just because I want because I want to have it,

1139
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I don't want you to have it.

1140
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: I just see you you got it, and I feel

1141
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: comfortable that I can get it.

1142
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. He said, the

1143
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: worst thing is when you don't want something for somebody.

1144
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah yeah no, So that that propensity

1145
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: that's in me, I have to find ways to see

1146
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: it straight in balance. So I got asked by TMZ

1147
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: one time. Right, they came to me and they was

1148
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: totally rape. You know, Jamie's James kicking ass man. He

1149
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: just finished Sunday the Woman, Sunday, that that movie and

1150
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: this and that, No, the any given Sunday. He's over here.

1151
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: He's doing that, He's doing that and doing this. Man,

1152
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: he's doing all these things. Man, you know, how do

1153
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: you feel about that? And I said, I said, I

1154
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: beat him in Ping Pong seven and nothing skunk, and

1155
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: he put the paddle down, he won't go no more.

1156
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: And I played and I lost him, lost him, lost him,

1157
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: lost him, lost him. Two seasons in a row overtime

1158
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: ping pong games. Finally I got my touch. Now, oh

1159
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: you got your touch? Wrap, skunk, let's go again.

1160
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: Down. You see what I'm saying. It's like as as

1161
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: silly as that, for real as that. You know, what

1162
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: does it really mean? You know, if if I was,

1163
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: if I was to judge my success on somebody else's success,

1164
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: I sure I am looking at my blessings limited right, Yes, yes,

1165
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1166
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 4: I do.

1167
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: I do know exactly what you mean. Yeah, Because and

1168
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: my thing is is that I hate I hate when

1169
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: people say he or she didn't deserve that. Who are

1170
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: you to say God made a mistake with my blessing? Amy,

1171
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: you've heard that, Yeah, of course I have. Of course

1172
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about a transformation I think you made. Okay,

1173
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: I think somewhere between the last Super Bowl and the

1174
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: next one you made a decision and it was I

1175
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: think it was a good one.

1176
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. You said football's over and I'm

1177
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: gonna do me now. And the only rea, the only

1178
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: way I saw that was I saw a commercial on

1179
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and I was like shocked. It was

1180
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: like about an investment company or something.

1181
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, chausy, but you had the dialogue down right.

1182
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: It's some stuff I can't even hardly say. You know,

1183
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: because you got three percent, you got three percent this

1184
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: and that, that, that and the other thing that you

1185
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: had your hemming on calculator, how do you go to

1186
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: the pre ratio? No, nothing like what you know? And

1187
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: then watched it and watched it and watched it grow.

1188
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: I thought that that was the period between that last one, right.

1189
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: I remember doing the commercial and you know, they did

1190
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 2: let me add live, they let my person out me

1191
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: and I, you know, when you and you're doing it,

1192
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not thinking that. I'm like, I'm just

1193
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: doing the thing, and I just remember the producing and

1194
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: director and everybody said, man, that was don'tbelieve you, the

1195
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: unbelievable job.

1196
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: You don't realize how good you did.

1197
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: And then when the commercial actually came out and to

1198
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: have people say that I did a good job, and

1199
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: then people, you know, I walk by and people say,

1200
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: do you know how to calculate the pe ratio? And

1201
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: that's kind of like, okay, I might, I might could,

1202
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: I might could do something like this.

1203
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah you did it, you know where we're at. I mean,

1204
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: it's just it's our internal calculators add up our own

1205
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: stuff from internal experiences, you know what I mean. So

1206
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: I saw it like that, you know, and I just

1207
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: think it's it's you know, for me, it's a it's

1208
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,479
Speaker 1: a wonderful world because I'm here. You know, it ain't

1209
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: no guaranteed. You know, a lot of beautiful, great things

1210
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: happened like the Denver years for me because not only

1211
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: was I invited by one of my best friends to

1212
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: give the ring ceremony twice, I have I known you

1213
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: the midic Fani.

1214
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: They are they are no, but they became my favorite

1215
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: team for a couple of years. They did.

1216
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: How can you not you did? How can you you

1217
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: a ride a lot? Listen, I'm in I'm I'm in

1218
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: the booth with bowling right, meatballs on the request right,

1219
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm seeing one of the cheerleaders. I'm in there with

1220
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: her parents, Pat's booth. They calling me, Neil, calling me chicken.

1221
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: He called me at you know you're gonna be the

1222
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the Monday night game with Oakland, right,

1223
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: come on on the field. Right. So you know those

1224
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: were my NFL years. But I learned something too that

1225
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: the the game doesn't stop on Sunday. It stops on

1226
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: Tuesday because y'all go straight from there early monastrat to

1227
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: the gym. And I was like, why are you arresting?

1228
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: You know, and Marcus Allen taught me this. Marcus said, well,

1229
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: this is the work down. You know. You can't be

1230
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: up that far and then let all that stuff. You

1231
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: beat them pulled something, so they work you work it

1232
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: back up, and then you're rested so it can get

1233
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: in place, you know what I mean, working and working

1234
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: on stuff, working on fields, all of that, right, and

1235
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: then Tuesday, you know what I mean?

1236
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean I was so I remember

1237
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: we played Mike the Dolphins on a Monday night and

1238
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: we ended up, you know, getting back. I think we

1239
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: arrived back by the time we got to the plane

1240
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: and got back, I think it was probably six thirty

1241
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: seven o'clock. And so it's already Tuesday, and I normally

1242
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: come in on Tuesday anyway. Okay, so I just changed

1243
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 2: worked out and then went home. Okay, That's how focused

1244
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: I was.

1245
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 4: Hold on.

1246
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: I know about Georgia boys, Willie.

1247
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: God yeah, yeah, Willie from Griffin Fridge and his brother

1248
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: who Fridge and his brother you know, no day from

1249
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: ak in South Carolina. Okay, see, I'm getting it. I

1250
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: thought I was a negrologist. I got some. I got

1251
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: Willie gall Herschel Walker, George Rogers. Those are the guys

1252
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: that you would know. Obviously. Cam is from Georgia. Champ

1253
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: Bailey from Georgia.

1254
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: Question where Dale Carter from?

1255
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: Dale Carter is from He's from Georgia.

1256
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: Where did Dale place? I don't know what DC played at.

1257
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: Where did d Georgia? Though? Yeah? He he from Georgia.

1258
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: Tell me he wasn't the coldon shut down? Yeah, I mean,

1259
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm the color shut downs in the league. Man, I

1260
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: don't know what now, damn Lovedal?

1261
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1262
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: I think Dale and Dale. I think Dale is one

1263
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: of the one of the best man him and Everson

1264
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: Wallas Boy. Anyway, when you're doing that, you see j Lo.

1265
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: She starts as a fly girl and now she's one

1266
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: of the biggest stars. Did you did you?

1267
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: Did you?

1268
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: Could you project?

1269
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: Could you see that Jim and Jamie and j Lo

1270
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: and and John Leblzambo? Could you could you foretell that

1271
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: they were gonna be that?

1272
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I could, because because I know that anything

1273
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: is possible in that business if you're talented it, you know,

1274
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: but it's the it's the other stuff that has to

1275
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: line up. They have to line up, right, you know

1276
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, there's the there's all these industries.

1277
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: There's publicity. There's the agent industry. Right, there's a management industry.

1278
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: Right.

1279
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: There's the studios, there's the networks. There's all this stuff

1280
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: that you know, you got to do right. You got

1281
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: to do right and the next step and the next

1282
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: step and the next step to get to that point.

1283
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: So it's possible to do you know, it's possibly because

1284
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: you can navigate it. It's persistence and all that good stuff.

1285
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: Right.

1286
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:35,439
Speaker 1: But I never knew that some of them would stop

1287
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: talking to me when they got to that point. Man.

1288
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: So I never knew that because I was always curious,

1289
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: you know how you did it?

1290
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: Man?

1291
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: I study, you know, like, so we had the number.

1292
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: When you was on working on Living Color, and then

1293
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they becomes something else. And now

1294
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, no longer.

1295
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: All remember her. I was like, you know, I remember

1296
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,479
Speaker 1: seeing her and this ain't no j LO bashing because

1297
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: she's crazy talented, come on, can't put none on her.

1298
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: And she's a great actress too, you know. But but

1299
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: we used to hang out with me her my asks.

1300
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: We used to go to dinner together, you know. And

1301
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: I met her with Keenan that strictly business because he

1302
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: brought her in my trailer. I was doing a movie

1303
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is that? Right? And then

1304
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: she showed up to be a fly girl and she

1305
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: worked her ass off. She worked her ass and she

1306
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: was every day and she was messing around with scripts.

1307
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: I was like, this girl gonna be something. She was.

1308
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: So I saw her at the upfronts. It was me

1309
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: and Danny DeVito and he's like, there's all there's there's

1310
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: gentleman one place over there. You don't know it, right,

1311
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I know her. So I go over

1312
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, what's up girl? Shoot man? You

1313
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: blew it? What what is going on? She was like, Hey,

1314
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: so what's going on? What's going to? You know? Just living?

1315
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, get some little carrot dip and I'm going,

1316
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: you know what's in that carrot dip? You know, because

1317
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: she's showed dipping my ass, you know what I mean.

1318
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: And so so that happened once and then I was

1319
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: on a face break I had to look around and

1320
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: see if anybody saw that. Did anybody just see her

1321
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: for the hatchet through my forehead? Like hey, you know?

1322
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: And so we had the same manager at the same time,

1323
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: so I just avoided her because you never know what

1324
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: someone's going through that day. I could be misreading, right,

1325
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: you know. I always got to get the love that

1326
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: But that's from my profile from being the black and

1327
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: between the white and all that. So I'm needy in

1328
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: that way, I can admit that. But I do love

1329
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: love right, Well, she might be.

1330
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: Listen, you can only judge a person by the experience

1331
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 2: that you have half person. Right, she might be, she

1332
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: might be a great person to CJ and Hollywood. Ah

1333
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 2: my god, Jordan's right, but your experience and that that

1334
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 2: moment was my love was not great.

1335
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: Right, And so I gave it some time and stuff,

1336
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: And I never blamed the person, you know. I just

1337
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: try to try to work with myself, you know how,

1338
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: cause you hate you, You're right, you know. I had

1339
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: to work on that. And so we had the same

1340
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: manager at one time, and she was doing a video

1341
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: up and up and in the block. Jenny jam from

1342
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: the block block block block block block write that one,

1343
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: and so he said, why don't you go and visit

1344
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 1: her on the set, man, she would love to see you.

1345
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, that's all right, that's all

1346
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,560
Speaker 1: right man. He's like, nah, man, come on, man, this

1347
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: is you. Come on man.

1348
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, that's all right, man, that's all right,

1349
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 2: because one time is enough for me. You know, I

1350
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: don't got to steal another base. If it's Wow wanting out, hey,

1351
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 2: I'll get it. I'll wait till the next up. So

1352
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: I go down on the platform and there she is,

1353
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: you know, and I tell you the only thing that

1354
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 2: saved me. I walked down the platform and she was

1355
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: looking at the at the screens with all the rest

1356
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: of the dancers, you know, and Benny's all proud that

1357
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: he's standing.

1358
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: With me, you know, being a medemic, right yeah, yeah, yah,

1359
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. He put the last name on that. Okay,

1360
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: all right, So him, man, you know what I'm saying.

1361
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: So I get down to the to the end of

1362
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: the thing and I look at her and Benny's going,

1363
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: come on, let you here, man. I'm like, alright, man,

1364
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: and I go Jennifer, what's up? And she goes.

1365
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 2: Hey.

1366
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: So that was like the last you know, I don't

1367
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: know how she's gonna be when I see her next.

1368
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: But the next time I saw her, I avoided her

1369
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: right because I don't like feeling that way. I don't

1370
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: want to be around anybody. It makes me feel like

1371
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm not You're gonna make me feel like I ain't important.

1372
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1373
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: I worked at a hospital when I was fifteen, and

1374
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: everybody that worked there was black and were in the

1375
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: Korean War. All of them were veterans, you know, and

1376
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: they taught me everything. They taught me everything about cooking,

1377
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: everything about life. You know. Just imagine if they were

1378
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: like that to me, you know what I mean. I

1379
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: mean imagine that. You know. My math teacher, Mss Coleman,

1380
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: Jewish woman, lived down the street from the elementary school,

1381
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get my math right. She was like

1382
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: a substitute teacher, and she said, why don't you come

1383
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: up to my house? So I go over to the

1384
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: house after school and she would work with me on

1385
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: math and work with me on math and work. I

1386
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: was never that great in math, but I have more

1387
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: confidence about doing it. What happened if she hey, you know,

1388
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: so I just remember those things and that's just me

1389
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: as an individual. That's all. That's just what makes the

1390
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: furnace in me run, you know. And I delighted that

1391
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: people come to me and say, man, came to you,

1392
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: came to Afghanistan and you look at this. This is

1393
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: the picture. You know what I mean? Yeah, we were

1394
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: at your show in Kansas City, man, and my grandmother

1395
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: came in. You took some pictures of her and everything.

1396
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: She gone. Now, Man, but let me tell you something.

1397
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 1: That was one of her greatest moments.

1398
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: When I look when you look back at you look

1399
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: at the nineties, nineties might have been the greatest. Maybe

1400
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: the saventies because they have somebody children, but the nineties

1401
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 2: with Martin and Living Single and uh, living color. Will

1402
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: we ever see black TV again like we saw in

1403
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 2: the nineties.

1404
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But we'll see black TV. Yeah,

1405
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: you know it won't be the same sensibility, right, you

1406
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: know you see black TV now, you know, see a

1407
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: bunch of rich black chicks with range rovers having a

1408
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: beautiful cocktail with Gucci purses.

1409
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: And we talked about the housewives.

1410
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about nothing. I'm just saying. I'm just saying,

1411
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: you see shows like this and and so here you are,

1412
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: and they're there and they got it all, you know,

1413
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: the American dreaming. But yet it's like, bitch, I slapped

1414
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: your head off, you know, you know what I mean. Uh, well,

1415
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: we'll see it. We'll see a mini series that's a

1416
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: great one. It's a drama and it's the whole thing.

1417
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: You know. But but you'll you know, you'll see somebody's gun,

1418
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: the the the muzzle of the gum and someone's no.

1419
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 2: You know, you won't give it it now, you won't

1420
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 2: give it to me?

1421
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: Now give it to me? You know, Sorry about that?

1422
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: You know, that's what I'm I'm seeing. I'm seeing a

1423
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: lot of that.

1424
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: But no more was back then, no living single, no

1425
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 2: mark you were well, these shows were about about.

1426
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: The love about us, the love about the love about blacks.

1427
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: And now we are you know, we got to be

1428
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: loving and carrying based on the album. We were all

1429
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: we had, you see, we were all we had so

1430
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: and we were up against every odd you can imagine.

1431
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: We have no work incentive, you know, y'all lazy. Well

1432
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: what you gonna pay me? You know what I mean? Well,

1433
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: if I'm lazy, why you sit up on the porch

1434
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: with men and Julip and we out here picking how

1435
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: do I get your trait and I do your work?

1436
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So we lived through all

1437
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: of that and are able to laugh and have joy

1438
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: because that's our survival. But that's also who we really

1439
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: are the first to forgive. You know.

1440
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1441
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: If you if a black bird, if a white person

1442
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: came to a black church, they leave their sanctified and

1443
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: full of food. You know, you might go to white

1444
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: church and be like, I don't know if I want

1445
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: to step in there. You know what I mean. It's

1446
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: nothing about the people itself. It's just a certain spiritual

1447
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: aspect about us that came out of that tragedy. That's beautiful, right,

1448
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I love to see

1449
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: see different manifestations of that. So Martin, this couple that

1450
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: was trying to make their way in the world, you know,

1451
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: living single, these black women who were like best friends

1452
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: making their way in the world.

1453
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1454
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: So, and what do we need most? We need help

1455
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: making our way in this world. You know, we know

1456
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: what the world is. You know, you got somebody shooting

1457
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: up kids in the school.

1458
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: Can't do nothing about it because nobody would get them

1459
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 2: from stop selling drug you know, all the stuff that

1460
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: we we see, but somehow there's this this this membrane.

1461
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: That keeps us all together, you know, right, you weren't

1462
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: see before with Chris Rock. What's your relationship with Rock?

1463
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: That's my man, that's where Man, we've been buddies for

1464
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: so far. Back we were the first ones here in Hollywood.

1465
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: It was me, Rock and Martin. We were the young ones.

1466
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: We were the young guns coming in here. Did you

1467
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 1: reach out to Rock when he went through that episode,

1468
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: We'll I did it. Hedn't called me back though, but

1469
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: he finally called me back, you know, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,

1470
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: you probably I know what he was going through. So

1471
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: I was like, the first thing I thought about was

1472
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: in Mama. I said, Man, she about to kill somebody

1473
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 1: right now, you know, But.

1474
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: You're not surprised that he reacted the way that he did. Now,

1475
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 2: when Chris said what he said, right, do you think

1476
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 2: did you think it warranted that? No?

1477
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: But I ain't him, Okay, you know, I kind of

1478
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 1: looked at what he was up against as him about

1479
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: what I know about him, you know.

1480
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: But you said that day he might have just been

1481
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 2: having a bad day. That might not be the person

1482
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: that he is, But that was the person that he

1483
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: was that day.

1484
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: I think it was fear. Fear can do some things

1485
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: when emotions is high. Common sense at all time low. Right,

1486
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: this is the first time that they actually even acknowledge

1487
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: me to get it, Oscar. This is the one I

1488
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: did my best job at.

1489
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: Right.

1490
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: I've been on social media trying to be cool through

1491
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: this whole thing that's happening with me and my wife.

1492
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't got to go into specifics. If anybody had

1493
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: a camera come in their house with them and their

1494
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: wife or them as a marriage, they would burn their

1495
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: house down to keep you out of their right because

1496
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: some things ain't nobody business, correct. So he's dealing with

1497
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: that and balancing his whole, his whole persona. He is

1498
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: Will Smith, right, he never gonna stop. He always gonna

1499
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: be the best. And to me, he's a winner, you know,

1500
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: and we do. Any of us has to have moments. Yes, Yeah,

1501
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: that's why the dude roll in sand. Let the first

1502
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: one throw the stone without the sin.

1503
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1504
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: You know, if the whole world was out for we

1505
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: all be sitting here going, hey, give me some water,

1506
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: you know. And so I just thought it was fear.

1507
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: But that's just my take because it was all on

1508
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: the line. It was all on the line. It's like

1509
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: it was getting really hot. You know, A person jumps

1510
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: out of the World Trade Center at the one hundred

1511
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: and eighteenth floor, and you go, why would they do that?

1512
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: Because the pain got so intense. They didn't care. They

1513
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: just want to really fast, you know. And I thought

1514
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 1: that that's what really happened, was that he just was

1515
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: extremely frightened about not getting in at what people think.

1516
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: They're already thinking this thing, you know, and he I

1517
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: don't say, I wouldn't say he was wrong for being fearful,

1518
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, but wrong for wrong for busting somebody in

1519
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: the mouth. And he did nothing to you, you know.

1520
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: Jada Pete can't put it on that no, no.

1521
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 2: No no, but her she heard I read when she

1522
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: cut filming short so you could actually talk to your

1523
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 2: birth mom.

1524
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: They're good friends, get okay, Jada from Jada's from one

1525
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: of my best friends. Yeah, you know, we're real, real tight, right,

1526
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: And she saw that something was wrong with me one day.

1527
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how you know how you know people yes, yes, yes,

1528
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: and so were about to do the scene and I'm

1529
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: laughing at joke, and she said, what's wrong with you?

1530
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: I said, what you talking about?

1531
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: Man?

1532
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: Go ahead, girl, she said, something's wrong with you. What's

1533
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: going on?

1534
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 2: Right?

1535
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you're talking about? What's going on? She said,

1536
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: something's wrong? She said, come here, what's happening with you? Like, girl,

1537
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I said, I just met

1538
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: my real mother for the first time. She said, that's it,

1539
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: you guys, that's a wrap for the day. Go deal

1540
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: with that. Man. You can't be exposed to that right

1541
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: now and be normal under no circumstance. Go deal with that.

1542
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: So what was the conversation? Like with you? So? How

1543
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: long can you had never met your birth mother?

1544
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 2: Never?

1545
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: And so how old were you when this happened. I

1546
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: think it was probably about thirty four. So you have

1547
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: a conversation with your birth mother? How did that?

1548
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 2: How did so? What? How did conversation start?

1549
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: It was hard because she's like, hi, baby, and this

1550
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: that and the other, like this ain't my mother, you

1551
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: know instinctively, my gut, you ain't my mom, you know

1552
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: what I mean? And so we talked and it was

1553
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: really just kind of a kind of a house the

1554
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: sunshine and that kind of thing. It's really good to

1555
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: meet you, you know, And she's like, likewise, you know,

1556
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 1: stay in touch in that thing, did you? Ah? Yeah,

1557
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: I did. But I went through a lot over that

1558
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: because it triggered some stuff in me that was from

1559
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: so far back. As long as I wasn't exposed to her,

1560
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: I never would have started experiencing the things I experienced inside.

1561
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: I started really experiencing like like using using anxiety, man

1562
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: like like low low low sadness and and and anxiety,

1563
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 1: and like I started feeling really crappy and and I

1564
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 1: didn't expect it either because my mom never told me

1565
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: she would go do that. My mom, she said, I

1566
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: got your mom on the phone, your real mom, and

1567
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: I found her randomly in the database because she worked

1568
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 1: at Housing Urban Development, so she saw her name and

1569
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: she said, this can't be her, and it was her.

1570
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: You want to talk to it? I was like, I

1571
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I want to say it now. Well, I

1572
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: don't know. So what question did you have?

1573
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: Did you have?

1574
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: Why did you give me up? Why didn't you keep me?

1575
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: We didn't get to it then. It wasn't until later later,

1576
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: you know, we did we actually did therapy together. Wow,

1577
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, and we actually got to the point where

1578
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: I remember going to visit even I saw the whole family.

1579
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: So I was filled with george just to see people

1580
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: of my color that looked like me, looked like all

1581
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: my little kids. We got the same little nose and everything, right,

1582
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: So that was good to see. But I went over

1583
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: there just to really visit the family, right, and on Easter.

1584
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: Easter was the day my natural brother lost his life,

1585
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: died that day. So I was like, let me just

1586
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: go over there, give love to that, you know, I'm

1587
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a person of the world. And so as

1588
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: they were doing the prayers, she and she's a Baptist minister,

1589
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: so she goes around the country, you know, doing that,

1590
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: and so she's going to say the prayers, and during

1591
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: the prayers, she started saying Tommy was a hard baby

1592
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: to take care of. He had whelps all over his body,

1593
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, and he would bleed over those and he

1594
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: cry a lot. It's hard to take care of it.

1595
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: And his mother stole her from him, from me, and

1596
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, that's not the time, right right right,

1597
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: So I'm there, yeah, man, that that it hurt, but

1598
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm babba Davidson's son, though, right, So I just said,

1599
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: took a deep breath and I took over. I said, you, guys,

1600
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think today is about that.

1601
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: You know, that was so long ago and the world

1602
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 1: was so different back then. You know, I'm the person

1603
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: that I am now, you know, and and who's so

1604
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: who from it doesn't even matter. It's it's it's a

1605
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: it's a it's a miracle really because here I am

1606
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: part of both of y'all. You see what I mean,

1607
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: And this is the day that we should be thinking

1608
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: about our man, his homegoing right. And after they dropped hands,

1609
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I looked at my nephew, who I

1610
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: loved so much, and my bigger brother, who remembered me

1611
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: being left my only two only the two oldest ones

1612
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: remember me. The rest of them are like, you mean,

1613
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: my brother's don't live a color you crazy? They were

1614
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: crying like, oh man, it's so good to see you.

1615
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 1: When I first met him, and it was on Christmas,

1616
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: my brother like a big brother, could do you notice

1617
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: he walked me to the elevator. He told me, look

1618
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 1: at me right here, I'm your brother, your big brother here,

1619
01:24:53,920 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, okay, you know that's it's

1620
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: one of them things that you got to you gotta

1621
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: give them that you ain't gonna you see what I

1622
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: mean that he meant it, and I left out of there,

1623
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: and then one of her sisters, one of my mother's sisters,

1624
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: stopped me at the stairs and said, good for you,

1625
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: good for you. Somebody need to tell her something, you know.

1626
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: I said thank you, and then we left, and then

1627
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: my nephew turned to me as we were driving, he said,

1628
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: you know what, Tommy, I think what happened just now

1629
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: is probably the best thing that ever happened to my family,

1630
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: you know. And I was able to convince her to

1631
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: come to therapy, you know, with my mother, and we

1632
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: did it and that's when it all came out. She

1633
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: was there in that kind of denial. And it was

1634
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: a family session, right, So all family families talk about

1635
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: their issues, and then they have a group of people

1636
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: that trust each other get feedback.

1637
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: On what she was trying to place.

1638
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: The blame r else other than right, right, And everybody said, Tommy,

1639
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm named after her country girl, Tommy Jean.

1640
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 2: Right.

1641
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 1: So my mother gave me her name right right, And

1642
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 1: everybody was saying, hey, you know, it sounds like you

1643
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: blame it on him, and then that's what it sounds like.

1644
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: It all of them had feedback. So when it came

1645
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: back to her, it was like it was something to watch. Wow.

1646
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: She started trembling and she went into like a like

1647
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,879
Speaker 1: a seizure like you know, and she was on herself

1648
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: and threw up and all that stuff. And then they

1649
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: came back and got her together, and she came back

1650
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: to the room and she told me what happened. Wow,

1651
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: she said, I was scared. She said, I was nineteen.

1652
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: I already had four kids. Wow. I was seeing a

1653
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: guy who was fifty something, who already had a family,

1654
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: and it was rich. He was rich in country terms,

1655
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: because I'm from Greenville, Mississippi.

1656
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 2: Oh okay.

1657
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: So if you're an undertaker, you know you up with it,

1658
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I was his chick

1659
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: on the side, you know. And plus I got I

1660
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 1: got strung out on heroin. So I was out the streets.

1661
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: I had the kids, and I was losing it, man,

1662
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: and I got scared. I got an opportunity to go

1663
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: to Detroit or to move the kids to Milwaukee, and

1664
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: I just left you. I just put it out of

1665
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: my mind. You know. She was crying hysterically, and then

1666
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: I saw her in that, in that state, and I

1667
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: was able to forgive her because I saw it. But

1668
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: you dealt with some issues of your own.

1669
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 2: Did that traumatic experience play a role in what you

1670
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: ended up having to deal with and what you had

1671
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 2: to overcome?

1672
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: I think it was all of it. It was it was,

1673
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: it was all of it. It was just my life

1674
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: up to that point, you know, And it was a

1675
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: meant to be processed that I had to go through,

1676
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, to get to know God a little bit

1677
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: better and get to know what his intention was from me.

1678
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1679
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I was going through like like the the bottom, you know,

1680
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: and I dealt with everything, drugs, drink, all of it.

1681
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 1: And I was in my in my bedroom by myself

1682
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: in the dark. All my good friends were like gone,

1683
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 1: like we can't, we can't watch this. So my friend

1684
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 1: God bless him in his family major brown from they

1685
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: from Tosa, Oklahoma. I never see no black folks like

1686
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: that ever. I never see I never met black black

1687
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: people from the South. Y'all were a revelation to me. Y'all,

1688
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: old y'all are whole different thing. Man, So they sent

1689
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: me a prayer I'll tell you how different y'all are.

1690
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Major went, I went to visit his family, and his

1691
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: grandmother answered the door, right, she about ninety. She opened

1692
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: the door and she said to him, give it to me.

1693
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, she said, give it to me,

1694
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: and he's standing there. She said, come on, give it

1695
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: to me, and he did his Easter recital word for word.

1696
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: You know.

1697
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: It's a different thing, you know. So they sent me

1698
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: a prayer cloth right from the whole family, prayed artist,

1699
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 1: you know. And I put it between my Bible and

1700
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, man, it works, So I guess

1701
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: of whatever, right, right? And then his sister called me

1702
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: thing and I picked up the phone and she said,

1703
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: you know what, Tommy, She said, sometimes we just have

1704
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: to hang. We have to hang in there. We got

1705
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 1: to hang like he did in pain and have faith

1706
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: that it's going to pass.

1707
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 4: Right.

1708
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: She said, you think that felt good? One here, one here,

1709
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: one here, and he's and his body weight is only

1710
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: holding him. You think that felt good? Crowd of throwing

1711
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 1: on his head, right, Even he doubted it, even at

1712
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 1: the point he was saying, what the hell right? But

1713
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: that faith right? Right, she said, sometimes we just got

1714
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: to hang in that pain. And I hung in it.

1715
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: How hard was it?

1716
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: Look, I'm a firm believer it's a lot easier going

1717
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 2: through something in private. You're a public person and you're

1718
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 2: going through your addictions a public figure in a public way.

1719
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 2: Did it make it more difficult? Did it make you

1720
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 2: a shame? Did it make you withdraw?

1721
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: Actually, in ways it did, but it didn't because I

1722
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: got to the point where it didn't matter. It wasn't

1723
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: about that. It's about me, right, It's about me being

1724
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: alive and me being able to enjoy what life has

1725
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: to give me. Because I really didn't know. My Auntie

1726
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: told me, you ain't know no better, you know. I

1727
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: remember going to her when I had a year sober.

1728
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I said, all y, I got a year sober, and

1729
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: she said, now don't you feel better? Said? Yeah, I

1730
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: feel better. She said, that's all the matter is that

1731
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: you feel better. And she said, I got to go

1732
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 1: to the store, you know. So it was like one

1733
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: of those things where I had to dig in and

1734
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: do the work so that can keep the life I have.

1735
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: And I had to realize that it was good in

1736
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: the first place, you know, And there was a lot

1737
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: of stuff shrouding that stuff. That's why I wrote the book.

1738
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 1: I wrote the book because if I can do it,

1739
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,680
Speaker 1: then others can. And if I be specific, that's why

1740
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't go into the specific. And that's why I

1741
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: got my book, because it's a one on one experience

1742
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: when you read it, so you can get to it.

1743
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: And I also did the voice over so you can

1744
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: really hear one on one, you know. And that was

1745
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: my gift back to the good universe and to the

1746
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: God I know, and to all the love that I

1747
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: got from all the people you know that didn't even

1748
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: know me. You know, when I lived in when I

1749
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: when I lived in the Midwest, when I was a kid,

1750
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: I never heard the word nigga from a white person.

1751
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: White person. White people ain't the same. They' all don't

1752
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: think the same, they' all don't hate us. I don't

1753
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,440
Speaker 1: care what nobody says. I'm speaking from my experience.

1754
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: That's all you can speak from.

1755
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Right. How can I become me and not know that

1756
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: as a fact, right, right?

1757
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 2: Right?

1758
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:33,560
Speaker 1: So it just became a very important book for me

1759
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 1: because I realized that I can take all those experiences

1760
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: that I went that I paid for through through sadness,

1761
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 1: through despair and all of that, all of that, and

1762
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: let me put it in a book that they can

1763
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 1: grab and go through and maybe they can compare what

1764
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 1: they're going through, well what I was going through, like

1765
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: I did with books, like I did with stuff people

1766
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: gave me. Let me pass it on, right, let me

1767
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:10,600
Speaker 1: pass it on, Mount Rushman. Who's your Mount Rushmore? Comedians me? No,

1768
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:14,600
Speaker 1: it was Prior.

1769
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 6: Eddie Hm, Cosby, Fox j Red Jamie Red.

1770
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: We're talking about stand up, stand up comedy. I'm gonna

1771
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: forget his name.

1772
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 2: Prior Fox, Red Red, No, Prior Fox Cosby Red.

1773
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Red Fox is the same person.

1774
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, well you know Richard p Yeah, Red Fox, Right,

1775
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 2: Bill Cosby, you got one more?

1776
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 1: I get one more.

1777
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's about.

1778
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: Rushmore. You got four heads on about Rushmore. O'kay fine,

1779
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: uh no, not a bonus, nope, skip No, I'm just kidding, Skipper,

1780
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 1: give me bone. No man, hands be old too. You

1781
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: just can't see it.

1782
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 2: Uh So, So.

1783
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: Bernie, I'm gonna have to say, George Carlin, I'm gonna

1784
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: have to throw him in there.

1785
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna go Chappelle.

1786
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: Oh man, But that's my contemporary.

1787
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 2: So you know what, that's the exact same thing. Smooth said, Damn,

1788
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 2: I had JB.

1789
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 1: Smooth.

1790
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 2: Then he said, man, it's great as Chappelle live. He'll contemporary.

1791
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 2: I can't put him up Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's

1792
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 2: not like but I put him up there because I

1793
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 2: don't understand that. Boy, I don't understand him. You know,

1794
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 2: I'm sweating by the end of the show because that's

1795
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 2: the way I do show. He can stand there and

1796
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 2: smoke a cigarette. Yeah.

1797
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's something that about him and the times

1798
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: that we're in right where he's able to make everybody

1799
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,919
Speaker 1: laugh during these circumstances, and that got to take a genius.

1800
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: You know, he grew up in my neighborhood, right in

1801
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: my neighborhood. Yeah, he used to be scared of us, right,

1802
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: like even still today. I'm like, that's a long time ago, man, right,

1803
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you know, we're always different.

1804
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: But it's just the amazing things that he can do.

1805
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: He can say some things that nobody can say. He

1806
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 1: tell a story, man, he can tell no one can

1807
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 1: say that, and he makes it.

1808
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 2: You know, I'm saying, I guess there's truth that you know,

1809
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 2: there's truth in comedy, and he can tell he can

1810
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 2: tell a story truthfully and make it funny.

1811
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: Now he looks like Schegel. I'm just kidding, but but

1812
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm a big lord of the ring.

1813
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: That's alone has nothing to do it anyway. I like

1814
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: the name Schmigl anyway, so so so he's a he's

1815
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 1: a genius and all of them is right. Man. Every

1816
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: time I say I'm the best, I look at somebody

1817
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: and go, well, you know, you know, hey, you got

1818
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: some more work to do. Still, still, you know, because

1819
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: it's the process, right right, You add things on, you know,

1820
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: and you can always have room for growth.

1821
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 2: Well, I'm discounting your what you call them because of Murphy.

1822
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Better be on my rushmore too.

1823
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 1: I put him, didn't I?

1824
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 2: No?

1825
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: I put Eddie first, prior check the tapes? Did he

1826
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: put erdie? No? Didn't I say Eddie first?

1827
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 4: No?

1828
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: I meant to say it first, though. You must be

1829
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 1: talking about Eddie Haskell much. I meant to say Eddie first, though. No,

1830
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: you didn't skip.

1831
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 2: No, No, Hey, I'm gonna get out of here.

1832
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: You got a few more, all right? P Diddy was

1833
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 1: your assistant?

1834
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 2: What kind of My sister was P Diddy, because you

1835
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 2: remember he had he had that reality show and then

1836
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 2: he trying to find the sisters. He worked, he worked.

1837
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 1: Don't work the dog at him. Man, you work? Nah, Nah,

1838
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't have to. I didn't have to.

1839
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: He was a hard worker. He was smart as a whip.

1840
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: He's there for everything I need. We was out every

1841
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: night in New York. He shook me to every club

1842
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 1: and I knew he was gonna be something, but I

1843
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: didn't know it's gonna be like that. Yeah, I knew

1844
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: he was. That boy was smart. First thing he said

1845
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 1: to me was you got get rid of his widow's peak.

1846
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, I ain't getting rid of a

1847
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: widow peak. He said, but when he get on the

1848
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: big screen, it's gonna look big. I said, Man, this

1849
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: is mine. This way I do my thing. Man, strictly

1850
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: business came on and I seen it. I looked like

1851
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: a vampire with a shark fin Yeah, okay, I was like,

1852
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: damn it.

1853
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 2: He was right, man.

1854
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: You know, he was sharp, and he's a cool kid,

1855
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: a cool kid, and straight up I saw him bus

1856
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 1: one of the one of the big Union dudes. In

1857
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: the face you know, because the Union dude was up

1858
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: on him. He tried to warn him, said, I'm just

1859
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 1: dropping his bags off. You gotta get that out of here.

1860
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just tired that I'm in assistant. I'm

1861
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: trying to drop his bag off. He said, get it

1862
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: out of here, and get it out of here. And

1863
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 1: now he said, well why am I? How am I

1864
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 1: gonna put it too? And the big dude lunch and

1865
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: he died, caught him with the corner of the corner.

1866
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: Corner corner in the corner corner corner opened him up. Yeah,

1867
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 1: in the corner was like, you know, you know, it's

1868
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: like Denzel when he was getting whipped, you know in

1869
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 1: Chlory and the terror came out that side, you know

1870
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: what I mean. Right, Yeah, And he was calling around

1871
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: and he called me and said I can't get out,

1872
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: and I said, I come down there, and I just

1873
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 1: tried my influence and my name and all that. They

1874
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: said they let him out of his personal recognizance. And

1875
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 1: that's one person. He never forgot me never. We still

1876
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: we still like that. Wow. You know, he shortened me

1877
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 1: because I'm older than him, you know what I mean.

1878
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: But shorty man, he's He's gone to a whole nother level.

1879
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 1: I wish I could talk to him sometimes. I wish

1880
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: we had that that that because I can help him

1881
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: to I see right, you know, but I think I

1882
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:12,839
Speaker 1: can help everybody. But I wish I had an opportunity

1883
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: to do that.

1884
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 2: But I do.

1885
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 1: I just can't choose who I'm gonna do it with

1886
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,879
Speaker 1: right anything you like to promote. I know you're a musician,

1887
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 1: but you got a website. I got a website.

1888
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 2: What is it? I don't know.

1889
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm asking you.

1890
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 2: Is your website Tommy Davison?

1891
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 1: My website is d Tommy Davidson. What the Tommy Davis

1892
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: dot com? As a matter of fact, so what is

1893
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,839
Speaker 1: the website? What are you doing on the website? Everywhere

1894
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:36,759
Speaker 1: you can get me? Everywhere. You can get my music,

1895
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: you can get my tour, you can get clips. I

1896
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: got a tie line. We've been meeting to bring you

1897
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: that ever since you got on TV. We got to

1898
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: send you some everything that I've done, sketches. You know,

1899
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: everything about me you can and it'll take you to

1900
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 1: It'll take you straight to TikTok, straight to Instagram. It's

1901
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 1: like my central central.

1902
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 2: Place, you know.

1903
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 1: And I've just been blessed. You know, I gotta I

1904
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: got a new single out. I know it's called I

1905
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 1: know my new song. I know with Richard Elliott, I

1906
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: broke it into smooth jazz. Who knows where I'm going

1907
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: to go next? You know, I've been able to get

1908
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: into the smooth jazz industry as a singer. When I

1909
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: saw Jamie as a singer, I was like, Okay, that's

1910
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 1: good because he broke it in. But I wanted to

1911
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: do that. But I had to find the right lane

1912
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: for me, right right, Like what does the coach bring

1913
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: to your to your teams? They bring their philosophy right,

1914
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: how they work it right, and then you guys kind

1915
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 1: of shape it with what y'all do you know when

1916
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: we did this at this school or whatever, they can

1917
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 1: modify it and not be too too rigid. Right, No,

1918
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. And how many coaches that we've seen, yes,

1919
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 1: gone because this is the system that exactly. So that's

1920
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: kind of how how I looked at music. Where can

1921
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 1: I be most successful? Now? Where can I have it

1922
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 1: be something genuine you know and real about me with

1923
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 1: the music, and how can I help the listener? Okay,

1924
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 1: you know when I see her kids listening to what's

1925
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 1: going on in the radio now, I don't really see

1926
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that can really help them grow

1927
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 1: and be and be much much stronger, you know, spiritually stronger,

1928
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 1: mentally stronger. I just don't see that happening in the

1929
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: music that's coming out of them. You know, I'm gonna

1930
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 1: do the music that's natural to me and just let

1931
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 1: it be, you know. I'm just stay in my lane

1932
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: and just do what I do and just let it

1933
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: kind of flower from there, because I've been a musician

1934
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 1: and a singer since i was a little kid, you know,

1935
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: and so I'm just I'm doing like Plexico did. Plex Goo. Uh.

1936
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 1: They had them an interview, right all.

1937
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 2: Right, plex Goo you you you shot yourself in the

1938
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 2: in the leg. You were in jail, you know, a

1939
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 2: whole year off. You hear in the super Bowl you

1940
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 2: catch the clutch, catch to close this thing out?

1941
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 1: What what what do you?

1942
01:41:58,640 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 4: What do you?

1943
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 1: What do you take for that? He said? I just

1944
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 1: asked God this morning, if you just get me to

1945
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 1: the field, I'll appreciate just that.

1946
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 2: Ray, Ray, you were up for a drug I mean

1947
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 2: the shootings. You were about to go to jail, as

1948
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 2: a whole season. The Patriots put up a thing, this

1949
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 2: your your party. You end up getting MVP and the

1950
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 2: big old dancing Hoiston. What are you attest to that?

1951
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 2: He said, Well, I knew God would have put me

1952
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 2: through such a trial unless there was.

1953
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: A tronymph behind it. I got brand new ears where

1954
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 1: I can hear, I can hear it. The Obannons won

1955
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: the national championship, right, and they were the last seed

1956
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: and all this, and they asked them, you know, how

1957
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: did you do this? And they said, we went this

1958
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 1: season by faith and not by sight, you know. And

1959
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:55,959
Speaker 1: these are the principles that that I think are important

1960
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: for me. Right, But this is my society too, right, Right,

1961
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 1: because I'm Africa, just my cultural culturally African, and I'm

1962
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 1: an African American here doesn't mean I'm outside of humanity, right,

1963
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm a part of humanity too. So why can't I

1964
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: speak on all our behalf? Everybody else do?

1965
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 2: Right?

1966
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 1: Exactly? I got I got some input, right, and it's valid. Right,

1967
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: you know, if I wasn't worth nothing, they wanted to

1968
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 1: have brought me over here.

1969
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 2: Here you go.

1970
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: We got it done, man, We got it done. That

1971
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 1: was years of passing each other. Man. Yeah, thank you man,

1972
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 1: thank you for let me talk. Man.

1973
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing your story.

1974
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: You got it. Really appreciate it. Shay Shane, tell me Davidson.

1975
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 4: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle the price,

1976
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 4: want to slice?

1977
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: Got all my life? I've been grinding all my life,

1978
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:00,639
Speaker 1: all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice. I should

1979
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: play the price. One slice to pull the dice.

1980
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 4: To swap all my life.

1981
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:06,639
Speaker 1: I'd be grinding all my life.

1982
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:11,640
Speaker 3: M hm