WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 4/23: NFL Draft Preview, Last-Minute Buzz, Predictions for the Pats 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:14.880 Some of the content of Patriots This is the Patriots 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.400 Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar and Alex Barth 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.560 Blazar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined us. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:28.520 Always buy an our bar cap match. Here is Evan 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.760 Lazar and Alex Barr. Would you have the five positions? 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:33.680 Here we go in pior, defensive. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:38.240 Line, ABS, linebackers, cornerback and safety. No, we know, yes, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.640 yes we do. They're gonna take a kicker, so let's 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.839 hold us. Last week they didn't take an hour and 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.000 a half to get through all the different positions. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.200 I don't carry's they were doing kickers. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.640 Can you feel the excitement? Thirty six hours to go? 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.160 Are you pumped up? Alex Barth? Are you ready for 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.320 the NFL Draft? Oh yeah, he's ready. 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:58.120 Oh yeah, that's the. 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.400 Most excitement I can muster. That was pretty goot set up. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:02.720 We're back to like, we're back. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.320 To we're series. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.520 We mean business today it is a thirty six ish 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.440 called thirty eight hours out from the NFL Draft, the 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.920 beginning of the first round of the NFL Draft, and uh, 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.640 this is uh, this is exciting that hey is in 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.360 the barn for the most part, I always like, there's 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.880 always like two or three guys at the very end 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.040 that I just feel like I gotta I get an 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:26.960 itch and I'm like, I gotta do these guys something. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.840 My gut is telling me that they might take one 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.640 of these guys. But in general, we're getting closer to 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.080 the NFL Draft finally, thankfully, how we can start with 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.959 stop with all the pre draft nonsense and actually get 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.640 into the players that they actually pick. The Patriots actually pick, 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.080 I should say, so that is really exciting. But before 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.880 we find out who they are actually going to pick, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.120 over the next three days, we have to do one 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.800 more draft preview shows. So we didn't do enough draft 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.560 preview shows over the last four months, so we have 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.560 to do a whole nother one for the next two hours. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.600 So we'll get into some of the news that's come out, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.280 and I will say it's a now pretty well known 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:15.200 line by Bill Belichick in his media year that these 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.400 twenty four to forty eight hours are when some of 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.919 the real information about the draft starts to come out. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.160 You know, we hear a lot of smoking mirrors for 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.760 months in the lead up to the draft, but now 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.280 that the teams have set the board and they kind 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.960 of know what their expectations are. Heading in we start 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.440 to hear some real information. We also start to hear 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.280 a lot more about potential trades at this point. This 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.880 is when again the board is set, the trades start 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.119 to come in, they start to field calls. So we'll 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.200 get to all of that good stuff as well, but 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.080 before we really get rolling here, support the home team. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.600 Join New England's events staff here at Jillette Stadium. Seasonal 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.200 Positional is available in food and beverage, parking and security. 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:02.000 Visit www dot thecraft group dot com careers and apply today. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.880 I used to be a frequent visitor to the craft 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.440 group dot com slash careers and that's actually how I 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.520 found this job. 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I also want to you know, 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.400 get into some of the Patriots specific news, but also 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.600 some of just the general first round NFL news here 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.320 that's starting to trickle out as well, And we also 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.840 are going to share my first time I have not 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.480 put a top ten mock draft out, so this will 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.520 be my first top ten mock draft, so I also 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.080 want to put that out here today as well. And Alex, 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.800 I know you've done a couple, but this will be 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.280 your your final top ten mock draft. Now you're going 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.080 to share here on the show today, So that's the 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.720 agenda of course, all your calls and Emil as well. 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.640 But I want to start off the top with just 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.320 sort of the feeling right now around the Patriots. I 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.840 think the overwhelming favorite is Will Campbell with the fourth 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.080 overall pick. It almost feels like it's Campbell or the 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.280 field at this point. If you're a person that wants 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.560 to place a friendly wager on what the Patriots are 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.800 going to do tomorrow night, those are seem to be 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.000 your two options. I would say that the dark horses 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.560 remains Jalen Walker. I think he's probably the biggest dark 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.360 horse candidate, and then the sneaky super dark horse candidate 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.920 is Ash and Genty. Right, those three guys, I feel 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.360 like are really what we're talking about here, But at 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.599 this hour, Diana Russini, just about an hour ago, she is, 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:44.200 you know, publishing reports about all of the different teams 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.839 in the top ten. It seems like she has the 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.360 Patriots taking calls for the fourth overall pick. Now, there's 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.839 a big difference between taking calls and actually having real 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.200 conversations about the pick. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:57.440 You know. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.400 I go back to last year Hard Knocks. We saw 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.360 Elliott Wolf and Joe Shane of the New York Giants 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:08.040 interacting on the phone about the third overall pick last year, 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.200 and it was, yeah, like, unless you're gonna give us 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.280 something absolutely crazy for the pick, we we're gonna stick 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.160 and pick Drake May and we feel good about taking 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.719 the quarterback. So sometimes those calls are short lived. But 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:25.520 I still ultimately come back to the best case scenario 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.279 for the Patriots is obviously the trade down and still 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.960 get their guy, right. I don't know if that's realistic 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.640 in multiple fronts. I don't know if Will Campbell will 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.479 still be there. I don't know if the trade down 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.920 will materialize, But if they could trade down within the 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.760 top ten and still draft either Will Campbell or Armand 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.200 Membu or even Kelvin Banks. I feel like that's a 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.440 pretty good way to go about this right now, at 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.760 this hour. How do you feel about where the Patriots 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:52.080 are at? 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.480 Yeah, I mean, look, a trade down would be great. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.760 I've said this, although the one thing I don't want 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.839 to see them do. And there was a report I 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.839 think it was Jordan Schultz this morning. I'll see if 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.000 I can find it that was basically like the teams 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.119 taking calls on the picks at the top of the draft, 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.360 and this was even about the Browns and Giants, who 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.280 are obviously in a pretty good position with the two 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:11.559 blue chip players there. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.839 He had said that those calls were I thought it 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:16.680 was Schultz. I guess not. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.120 We're coming in for I think the verbigs was seventy 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:22.000 cents on the dollar. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.640 Yeah, so what I don't want. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.400 To see the Patriots? Do you hear it is Jordan Schultz? 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.920 Several teams picking in the top ten are opening trading down. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.320 The challenge has been finding teams willing to move up. 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.800 Per sources. From what I'm hearing, there isn't a strong 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.040 push to trade up this year at the top, especially 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.479 if it means giving up significant value that aligns with 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.280 traditional charts. As one source put it, quote, the current 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.080 offers are seventy cents on the dollar. A trade down 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:47.880 would be great, especially I think Instill Go one of 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:48.360 those tackles. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:49.080 Trade down be great. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.599 I'm not saying I don't want it, but what I 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.680 don't want is for them to give the pickaway. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:55.240 Sure, I don't. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.120 I think there are some people who would be more 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.120 comfortable with the trade back because they're nervous about this 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.960 class overall. Understandable, it's not a great class. They're nervous 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.480 about this class overall, and they'd rather miss at nine 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.360 or ten than miss at four, because then at least 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.000 you can tell you yourself you've got something else back. 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.040 Okay, if all. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.560 You got back is a third round pick one, you're 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:21.960 still getting a lesser player. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:22.720 If you move back. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.720 I don't think Campbell's getting to ten. And if he does, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.400 what does that say about kind of how he's viewed 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.240 by the league. So you're still getting a lesser player. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.880 Does a third round pick make that much of a 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.640 difference at the end of the day. And I know 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.880 Elliot Wolf is here, but for all intents and purposes, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.080 it's a new regime. The first selection of the new 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:45.000 regime and you're gonna bargain sell it. That's a tough 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.520 president to set because now you're the organization that gives 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.160 away draft picks like Halloween candy. So, like, I don't 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.240 want to see if they get a good trade, I. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:52.960 Want them to take it. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.360 And that's ultimately what would be the best case scenario 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.400 is if they get a good trade. What I don't 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.200 want is them to sell the pick, just to sell 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.200 the pick and take a lesser player because they felt 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:03.760 like they had a trade down because they just weren't 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:04.480 comfortable at four. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.920 Yeah, I agree with everything that you just said in 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:11.120 terms of the value of a trade down. We've both agreed. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.160 And I know that some people are gonna say, oh, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.160 you were a Campbell guy the whole time, you didn't 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.280 want to trade down. No, we've both agreed that, yeah, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.320 a trade down is the best case scenario for it. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:20.720 I just don't think it's going to be there their 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.040 best their best case scenario. And I almost put this 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:24.960 in my maw draft on Sunday, and you and some 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.640 other people talk me out of it, said it was 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.800 two unrealistic, And now it's all the rave the most 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.640 like because so I put together my last NFL mock 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.640 and it I usually as you do, usually do too, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.680 Like I usually do a trade down mock or trade 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.480 up or trade down. Yeah, the last few years has 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.640 been trade down. I just do a trade down mock 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.320 every year just to kind of be like, hey, this 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.440 is what that scenario might look like. There really wasn't 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.319 a trade until we got this reporting on Monday after 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.320 it was published that felt realistic. But the two I 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.560 was working on were the Panther is coming up from 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.360 eight to get ted McMillan, and the Bears coming up 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.000 from ten to get genty. If they make a deal, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.440 I think it's the Bear coming up from ten because 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.600 the Bears are in this unique position where they have 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.560 thirty nine and forty one. I believe it's the last 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.719 pick to relay from that Bryce Young trade a couple 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:09.120 years ago. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:10.679 I don't know if they have another, but this has 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:11.679 to be towards the end of that. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.040 But they have an ext They have the Panthers first 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.880 round pick or second round pick, so they would maybe 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.280 be a little more willing to part with that. The 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.080 deal I had was the Bears go ten the second 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.640 of those two seconds, which is forty one and then 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:31.000 a future second and the idea behind it basically being 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.640 and I'll ask I'll pose this to you as a question. Heaven, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.040 we talked about the quarterback tax all the time. When 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.880 teams are trading up, you got to pay more than 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.800 the pick is worth because it's quarterbacks that valuable. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:41.079 Of a position. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.280 In this draft where there really aren't any quarterbacks and 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.400 there's just such a lack of blue chip talent ash 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.840 and Genty albeit the fact he's a running back. Is 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.840 there going to be a blue chip talent, blue chip tax, Yeah. 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:54.520 In this draft. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.800 And maybe it's not as much as the quarterback tax, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.920 but is the way the Patriots maximize ash values gent 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.840 in the draft, not by taking him, but by using 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.440 him as bait to flip a trade. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.880 So it's exactly where I wanted to go next. So 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.200 he read my mind. Yeah, it sounds to me like 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.439 there's enough of a market for Ashton Genty that to 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:20.480 your exact point, they could orchestrate a trade with basically 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:24.960 trading Genty. Right, You're gonna trade Genty to the Chicago Bears, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.520 potentially to the Las Vegas Raiders. Maybe they want to 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.520 jump Jacksonville because they think Jacksonville is gonna take Genty 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.920 at five, so they come in and they jump Jacksonville. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:39.800 I think that that's really now if you are hoping 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.079 for the trade down, if you're a Patriots fan, what 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.439 you're hoping for is that some team is so in 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.040 love with Ashton Genty that they were going to make 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:49.840 that trade happen and they're going to move up to 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.800 four to come and get him. We had a lot 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.440 of conversations about doing this exact thing for Travis Hunter 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.720 or Abdul Carter or whatever the case may be. Well, 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.560 Peter Schrager was kind of the first one on this 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.800 that said that teams have three guys in mind that 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.600 they could potentially trade up for adding Ashton Genty to 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.720 that of those other two in terms of the trio. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.720 If the Patriots can get out of four because Ashon 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.360 Genty is such a draw to trade into four, then 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.960 that's good news for the Patriots. But the question that 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.320 I would ask is do the teams really feel like 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:26.760 they need to go all the way up to four 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.480 to get Genty? Could you go out to five to 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.840 Jacksonville and still get Genty? Because everybody in the league, 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.240 and I'm not saying that this information is one hundred 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.559 percent accurate. I think it was also Schrager who said, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.880 you know, he tried to poke around New England and 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:47.320 he couldn't get anybody to talk in Foxborough about what 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.719 they're gonna do at four overall, but if we just 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.040 believe all the tea leaves, and I think it was 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.400 Jeremy Fowler who said that the Patriots might have an 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:58.200 infatuation with Will Campbell, So maybe the league knows that 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.439 this draft is going can Ward, Travis Hunter, Abdull Carter, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.240 Will Campbell, and the Patriots are kind of locked into 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.760 Will Campbell at four, so there would be no reason 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.800 to go all the way up to four for Genteel, Right, 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.760 that's the devil's advocage, especially. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.760 When you have your nerd guy at five with the 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.280 Jags and he doesn't care what players on the board. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.959 If you can show him on the chart that the 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.120 picks you're giving him are worth warning picks he's giving up, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.239 he's gonna do the trade. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:22.439 Regardless of what he wants to take. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.000 Well, that's an easier deal to mate. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.160 I'm glad you brought that up, because that's the other 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.800 thing that I can't. And I've been texting you about 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.200 this off the air. I can't get over this feeling 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:38.840 of you're telling me that probably one of you know, 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.600 really an analytics guru, is running the Jacksonville Jaguars. Like 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.440 it's the same as all of the nerds in baseball 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.480 that get crapped on by people like you and people 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.920 like Matt McCarthy and the rest of your brethren, people 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:56.480 who actually enjoy watching sports. Yeah, all you got, And 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.679 I say that with love all of you guys, you know, 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.440 come at the nerds and baseball. Gladstone's basically that, but 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.440 in football of course, right, that's what he is. Yeah, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.080 And so you're telling me, in his very first draft 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.400 as a general manager in the NFL for the Jacksonville Jaguars, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.200 his very first draft, he is going to buck the 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:19.760 one analytical trend that every single nerd is dead set on, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.920 which is that running backs don't matter. And he's going 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.720 to take a running back at five overall. And that's 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.160 right now. That is the consensus pick for the Jaguars 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.920 is action Mason Graham. For a while, I feel like 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.040 it's it's the last you know, this week, the mocks 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.880 that have been posted by the people that are in 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.079 the know. You know, the the Schrager Mack. I think 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:41.800 he had Genty there at five. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.880 Ye, the Schrager Mak's usually pretty good. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:50.199 Those people are saying it's Genty. And the other team 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:56.240 that has reportedly infatuated with ash and Gent is the 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.200 same team who's head coach was at the league meetings 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.960 in a month ago talking about pass epa being the 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.280 most important stat in football. And now you're telling me 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.920 that the Chicago Bears and Ben Johnson are going to 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.880 trade up for Ashton Gent. So when the Chicago Bears 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.400 have DeAndre Swift under content, oh, and I can actually 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.160 justify because the Lions thing, because the Lions can't you 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.200 nerd if you're going to take Ashton Genty in trade 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:23.760 up picks to take Ashton Gent. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.560 The Lions did it because they had success in doing it. 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.720 Swift is on a one year deal, but yeah, a 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:30.400 twenty year deal. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.360 He's sorry, he's on a two year deal, but it's 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.000 there's an out after this year, So Swift's gone after 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.360 this year. And because they have the offensive line to 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:41.040 justify it. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:41.720 I think some of the. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.120 Moves they've made this offseason, I think they're as close 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:45.200 as anybody up there. 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:46.960 That is the offensive line to justify it. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.080 The Bears, I think you can make an argument for 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.320 I know Ben Jonson's a nerd, and they don't like 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.000 running guys the way they operated in Detroit. I think 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.400 he may be one of these nerds that is a 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.840 little softer on the running back thing than everybody else. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.360 The Bears would not surprise me. The Jacks are the 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.360 reasons you're saying would surprise me. But you will disown 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.680 that guy so fast from the nerd community. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.160 If they take him. If you take a running this 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.240 is what you you you if yours until they do 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.000 dumb nerd stuff and then you just own them and 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.080 you say because not like but that's what they all do. 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.080 But this isn't that's not nerd them. You you you 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.040 went against everything that we believe in. 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:25.880 What if the math is telling him to take Chencey. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.680 I can't imagine the math math has just created to 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.840 proven argument. It's like how everybody, universally turnovers were bad 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:35.960 until a couple of years ago. People wanted to explain 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.920 away Josh Allen's they created some math that said turnovers 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:39.880 aren't actually that bad. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.800 Okay, but I'm gonna leave that. 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.360 Maybe he's just maybe he created a new formula that 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:45.320 tells him to say, you. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.440 Look at running backs, and that the the entire discourse 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.960 around then then running backs with the analytics people. A 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.600 lot of the reason why analytics people are anti running 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:02.480 back is because they're interchanged. Right, Statistically, there's only a 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:07.200 handful of guys that truly make a difference. Sakuon Barkley, Healthy, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:12.360 Christian McCaffrey, Derrick Henry. Like we're talking about three to 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.800 five guys I would say in the league that truly 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:15.480 make a difference. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.880 Well, I think if you're taking ash and Genty that high, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:18.960 you believe he's one of those. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.360 Okay, but it's not just that, right, that's the main 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.120 reason I would say that's like seventy five percent, sixty 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:31.520 to seventy five percent. The other reasons are career longevity 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.560 in prime shelf life, and Derrick Henry has bucked this trend. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.240 He's going on ten years. But Derek Henry's a tank. 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.320 Derrick Henry is huge. Yeah, Derek Henry's an alien. I 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.200 don't think that Ashon Denty at five eight, two hundred 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.760 and eleven pounds is the same thing as saying that 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:52.000 Derreck Henry, who's built like a defensive end playing running back, 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.600 is going to have the same career longevity in terms 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.040 of his prime And the last thing is obviously contract 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.000 value and the fact that if you draft Genty at 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.639 five overall, you are going to be paying him like 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.639 a top five running back in the league immediately based 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.840 off the market. So is it the most valuable pick 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.840 that you could make? And if he decides to go 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.240 against all of that years of research and data that 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.360 all of his fellow nerds have put together and takes Genty, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.560 then he is not a true nerd. You're not doing it. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.000 You're not doing it right. That's not it. And then 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:28.880 I would say the same thing. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.040 For him, create a new data, because that's what these 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.080 guys do. They create data to back up what they want. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.199 Sure, sure, But for the Patriots, as it pertains to 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.440 the Patriots with the fourth overall pick, the hope is 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.880 is that some team is so in love with Ash 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.320 and Denty that they can trade out of the fourth 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.760 overall pick, get picks back, and then maybe still pick 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:55.240 their guy Will Campbell as it sounds now my question 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:59.600 to you, And then we'll move off this. Does will 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.040 Campbell make it to eight to ten? You know, let's 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.360 say they trade out with Chicago and they go from 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.160 four to ten. Is he going to be there at ten? 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.119 And if he isn't, you know, what is your cluster? Like, 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.120 what's your stack? Because you have to have multiple options 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.480 there at ten. I don't I actually think that there 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.080 are options. I don't really hate, but I'm just interested 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:19.840 to hear, like, who are like the three or four 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.520 guys that you would be comfortable with at ten? 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:22.679 So with Campbell, I don't know. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.760 I mean, there's a case to be made that the 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.520 Jags could take him if they're worried about what's gonna 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:26.960 happen with Qul. 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:28.520 Not the Jags, this case to be made. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.760 The Lions could wow, oh my god, the Bears, No, 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.240 the Raiders, the Raiders, this case made. The Raiders could 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:38.080 take him if they're not comfortable with Colton Miller. The 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.000 Bears certainly, well, if they're trading up in the scenari, 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.359 they're trading up for Gente Center, gonna take them. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:44.399 I think the Jets. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.239 We're all assuming the Jets are going to take arm 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.280 on Membu because they clearly need a right tackle and 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.760 he's a right tackle. Are we giving the Jets too 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.280 much credit for making the obvious pick? You know, we've 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.240 spent so much time on worrying about Membo going from 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.480 right to left. It would be so Jets to need 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.320 a right tackle and then take Campbell and try to 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.480 move them from left to right, which would make no sense. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:04.919 But again it's New York Jets. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.280 Well, Joe All just did it, so yeah, but there's 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.720 a right tackle right there, I know, but it you know, 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.480 and it makes sense when the Chargers did it either 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.400 that Joe All is going to make teams think it's possible, 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.840 I guess, Butrarn Membing is right there. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.520 And then I also look at the Niners at eleven 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.760 and the Dolphins at thirteen. Now, the Dolphins will probably 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.679 just draft whoever ran the fastest forty because that's what 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.920 they do. But like if they were smart, the Dolphins 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.720 desperately need offensive line help. The Niners could use a 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.560 tackle Trent Williams as year to year. So you know, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.720 if you trade down to ten, those teams are at 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:38.760 eleven and thirteen, do they jump you and move up 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.240 to nine with the Saints or eight with Carolina I 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.760 was talking to Philip Perry yesterday. You could make a case, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.320 and I don't know it's the most likely thing, but 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:52.080 it's a realistic scenario that Campbell, Membou and Banks all 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.000 go before ten if you trade back, yeah, and it 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:56.919 would probably take another trade up to get there, but 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.040 you run that risk. So what would the stack be 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.399 for me if Campbell go, You could sell me on 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.280 Membo or Banks. They're one A, one B. You're taking 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.600 risks with both of them. It's just kind of again 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.600 like we talked about campbellin Membo, it's just a matter 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.960 of what questions they want to deal with more. I 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.080 think Jalen Walkers could still be at play Down at 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:21.800 ten and at that point, you know, do you bring 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.280 Ted McMillan back in the conversation. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:26.399 That's who I was going to bring up as the 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:28.639 last guy, right. I feel like it's the tackles that 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.160 whoever in the tackle group falls. Whether it's probably more 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.960 likely Membo or Banks, but Campbell, Membo, Banks, I think 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.600 you have to put Jalen Walker in that conversation, especially 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:41.920 with all the buzz that has connected him to the Patriots. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.600 Although I kind of feel like Jalen Walker's floor might 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.200 be Carolina at eight. There's a lot of very. 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:48.960 Much a panther, But as he pointed out to me, 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.560 like that could also be a spot for Ted or 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:52.360 Matthew Golden Town. 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.920 Yeah, yeah, and uh, and then I think Ted McMillan 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.080 is the other guy. Yeah. And I feel like as 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:01.480 we've come full circle here, Banks and mcmill and are 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.439 starting to some of the talk about them really falling 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.520 in this draft is starting to subside, and people are 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.840 putting them more in the categories that they were back 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.000 in January when this all began, which I think is 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:17.439 probably where the most accurate, Like they're probably in the 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:21.399 ten to fifteen range of this class. And because one's 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.760 the number one wide receiver taking Travis Hunter out of 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.159 this right, and the other is a premium position player 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.199 at left tackle, you know you could talk yourself into 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.040 either one of those guys at the back end of 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:34.560 the top ten. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.040 You just worry like if those if all three of 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:41.640 the tackles go, do you trade down again targeting Simmons 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.720 or Connolly. Now you forced into a trade up, and 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.600 you're in a bad situation where teams know how desperate 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.440 you are, because like you might, especially if all three 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.960 of those guys going top ten. Arianta Ersery's not making 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.560 it thirty eight, and if Josh Simmons makes it thirty eight, 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:57.480 it meets his knees made of paper mache. 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.480 At this point, you can't take them. Yeah, so you're 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:01.680 really playing. 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:05.159 With fire at that point. The ultimate big picture. I 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:09.439 can't hammer this enough. By I will give them the 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:13.600 flexibility that maybe Ursery falls to thirty eight, maybe or 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.840 falls today two when they trade up a little bit, right, 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:18.280 what time do they start on Friday night? 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:18.800 Seven o'clock? 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.760 Yeah, if we don't know by eight thirty on Friday, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.240 let's call it. If we don't know by eight thirty 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.879 on Friday, who the Patriots starting left tackle is, that 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.040 is a major, major, major problem. That is the one 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.120 thing that cannot happen. Trade up, trade down. Whatever, you're 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:35.720 gonna take a tackle at four, you're gonna move up 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.719 and take one. However you're gonna do it when the 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.960 top forty picks wrap up. You're not getting a starting 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:44.000 tackle after that, You're not. 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.000 Yeah, let's hold on on that because I did want 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:47.720 to bring that up because I that was some the 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.680 more other reporting that's also coming out. I want to 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.600 talk trades, really, you know, one more trade scenario and 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:56.159 then I want to talk about that and kind of 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.600 segue into that. So the other piece of information this 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:03.560 is from Adam Schefter, was a lifted list of teams 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.399 that would be willing to trade down from their current 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.280 pick in the first round. Now, there are a couple 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.000 of teams in the top ten that Eas said would 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:13.320 be willing to trade down, you know, Carolina, Jacksonville, teams 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.000 like that. But I'm ruling those teams out for what 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.280 I want to bring up here. The teams that want 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.160 to trade down that are a little bit further down 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.679 in the first round that I find interesting from a 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.760 Patriots perspective. Seattle at eighteen, it is probably a little high. 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.560 Tampa Bay at nineteen and it's a little high. Pittsburgh 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.160 at twenty one. They're not trading down or taking a quarterback. 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:34.800 And Minnesota at twenty four that's the one. So if 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.840 you're looking to trade back into the first round from 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.480 thirty eight, and it kind of couples with your tackle 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:44.479 yeh spiel just now, it does feel like Minnesota at 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:46.840 twenty four is the sweet spot they have? 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:48.320 Is it four or five picks. 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:50.080 I think it's five Minnesota. 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:51.440 Yeah, yeah, they have. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.040 Five picks and they have a lot of older players. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.720 They have a lot of players on expensive contracts and 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.320 have a good team. Quarterback isn't one and they're trying 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.160 to well but there they have a good team. 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.439 But like they need to strengen out their russ. They 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:10.560 have four picks. They have twenty four, ninety seven, one 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:12.160 thirty nine and one eighty seven. 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:14.240 That's it. Yeah, that's it. 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.600 So you're you might be able to get some value there. 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:20.120 Maybe you can get away like the trade I look 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.600 at you're going up to twenty four. Rewind to twenty twenty. 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:29.440 It was twenty three for seventy one and or twenty three, 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.280 sorry for thirty seven and seventy one. That was the 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.560 Kyle Duggart trade back for the Patriots, So that was 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.240 twenty three. Vikings have twenty four, thirty seven and seventy one. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.800 You have thirty eight and sixty nine. Can you swing 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:43.800 that into thirty eight one oh six because the Vikings 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:46.160 are just so desperate to add draft picks. 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.720 Yeah, maybe, I don't know, maybe seventy seven. I don't 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:50.640 I think you're gonna have to give up a top one. 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:51.160 You probably are. 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.240 Maybe maybe there's a way to do a pick swap 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.840 or something in there, but like, that's the sweet spot 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.960 to me, and I think you'll probably be able to get. 0:24:57.880 --> 0:24:58.760 A tackle at that point. 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.119 You might not get to choose, but you should be 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:03.040 able to get a tackle. That that's the sweet spot 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:04.919 to trade up. And then the other one for me 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.400 is if they're not feeling as aggressive, those teams late 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.119 in the first are always looking to trade back. So 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.480 this is like twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine to 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:17.200 thirty Ravens, Lions, Commanders Bills. Right, there's a trade a 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:21.479 couple of years ago between the Jaguars and the uh 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:27.399 Bucks that was twenty seven for thirty three, one oh 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:31.840 eight and one eighty. So it's a little different because 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.720 you have thirty eight not thirty three, but maybe one 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:37.960 eighty becomes like one forty four, and now you don't 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:39.520 have to give up any top one hundred picks to 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:41.439 move back into the first round. You can't do that 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.000 for twenty four. You're gonna have to do that for 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.040 a later pick, and hope one of those teams that 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:47.480 was in conference championship games will to move out the 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:49.560 highest you can maybe do that as the Rams of 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.880 twenty six. But if you want to tackle, the other 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.480 thing to consider, the Texans are probably a tackle team 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:57.400 of twenty five. They could be their an offensive line 0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.440 team for sure. This could also be that thing where 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:00.760 if you took a ten and then you want to 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:04.440 grab a guard, the Texans are an offensive line team. 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.040 The Rams might be an offensive line team at twenty six, 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.840 and then you might get Obviously, the Chiefs of thirty 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.160 one are a tackle team, so there are some teams 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:14.520 in there you may need to jump if you want 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:15.280 to get a certain guy. 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.960 So I feel like this is this is coupled with 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.480 a lot of the other reporting that kind of makes 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:25.400 this point even more important from a Patriots perspective, which 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.920 is the drop off that tackle. Yeah, and this is 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.719 something we've been talking about. It's reflected in all of 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.879 our you know, pre draft coverage of this of this 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:38.440 draft and of this class. There's really let's call it six, 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:39.520 but it's really five. 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.880 Is five in a pretty expensive lottery ticket? 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:47.120 Yeah, and Josh Simmons, Yeah, right, So we're talking Campbell, 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:53.960 Membu Banks, Connerly, Ursery, Simmons, right in some sort of order, 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:55.960 put them in whatever order you want it in terms 0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:59.840 of talent, but those six tackles are really the only 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:04.080 starting caliber left tackles in this draft. And if you 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.080 miss out on one of those six guys, you are 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:08.320 not getting a rookie starter. 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.960 You are getting somebody who at best is competing with Viderian. 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.560 Low and is in a developmental phase of his career. 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:18.880 You're getting a Anthony Belton, a Charles Grant. You are 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.240 trying to take Ozzie Trapilo and seeing if he can 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:22.200 play on the left. 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.560 Side like you were John Rivers, Jan Travis. 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.679 Right, you're talking about taking guys that are projects. For 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.280 the most part, Tapillo is better than a project. But 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:31.360 he's a right tackle. Right. 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.360 It's not just we will break it down. We'll talk 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.680 about day one starters and year one starters. Day one 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.320 guy comes in right away, starts year one is you know, 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.119 maybe he's not gonna start week one of his rookie year, 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:42.040 but you can start eventually. 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:42.720 Yeah. 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.040 I don't think there's any year one starters after ur Sery. 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.639 You're talking about guys that are long term, multi year projects. 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.919 So if the Patriots, if you're of the thought and 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.320 full disclosure, I think Will Campbell is the best player 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:57.800 on the board at four, and I think you should 0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:01.760 just take Will Campbell. So I'm right there with Will Campbell. 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.040 But I hear it a lot. And if you're the 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:08.879 thought that he's not quote unquote the best player available, 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.639 and you're more or less reaching on a position of 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:16.240 need by taking Campbell. If you prefer you know, Genty, 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.240 I prefer Genty, but he's a running back, right, but 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.520 to him inside, you know Jalen Walker, Mason Graham, you know, 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:26.359 Tyler Warren, whoever, if you prefer somebody else at that spot. 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:30.679 The only way that you can realistically come out of 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.920 this and at least have our approval. I think I 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:34.280 don't have to talk for you or speak for you, 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.640 but based off what you've said to have our approval 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.480 of this draft is if you trade back into the 0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.240 first round to get the tackle. You cannot come away 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.320 from this draft without an answer at left tackle. 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:45.840 I mean, I'm not gonna fault them if they get 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:47.520 the guy at thirty eight, but you have to get that. 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:49.240 Yes, if they come out. 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.200 Of this draft out a left tackle, it's bad draft, right, So. 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.600 They need somebody out of that group of six and 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:56.400 I we both kind of feel like it should be 0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:58.360 the group of five without Simmons. 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:02.120 I like, And let me clear about this, I like Simmons. 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.040 I know I probably came off as somebody who didn't 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.320 like him as a player earlier, and I apologize for that. Yeah, 0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:09.880 I like him as a player. And I know that 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.680 the reporting out there right now is like he's healing well. 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.920 It's always the next time you hear pre draft that 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:17.920 a players not doing well injury wise will be the 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:22.520 first time, right, But I I the Malcolm Mitchell komp 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.080 is there for a reason. Maybe I should use Malcolm 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.560 Mitchell instead of DOMINICQ Keasley. Yeah, because I think he's 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.160 a good player. But like if you get eight to 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.800 ten really good games out of him, but then he's 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.479 hurt and he just never really becomes a regular NFL player, 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.680 That's what I worry about, And that would be a 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.920 bad pick. That would be a worse pick than taking 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:42.480 a guy who moves inside of guard because at least 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.560 that guy's playing, which I don't think is gonna happen 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.400 with Campbell by the way, to be clear, but like 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.440 I yeah, you said it very well. You can't miss 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.520 and to people say, well, you know, Arianta Air series 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.360 projected at thirty eight. You don't need to worry about 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.360 it too much. And I don't think Connolly is going 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.840 to go in the first round. Go back to last year. 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:01.960 Here is a good tackle class with a ton of depth, 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.200 and we were sitting here saying, this is great. They 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.240 can get Drake May, they may even be able to 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.960 get a receiver, and still with their third pick, get 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:09.640 a starting tackle. 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:10.320 And what happened. 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:15.480 These guys all went around around plus earlier than we 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.480 thought they would. Because there's there are less than thirty 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.640 two human beings on the planet. They can play left 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:24.240 tackle at a starting caliber level in the NFL less 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.680 than thirty two human beings on the planet. If you 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.240 have a chance to get one consensus boards, be damned, 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:32.880 you're gonna take them if you need them. 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.600 So URSE three might be projected a forty eight. Right now. 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.360 If these guys start to go right, let's say you 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.520 trade back. Campbell goes I could even see him going 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.960 to the Jaguars, right, Campbell goes five, Member goes seven 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:50.360 to the Jets, Calvin Banks goes in the top twelve, right, 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.719 or maybe fourteen. You have the Niners at eleven. They 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.280 need to tackle now they're flying. You think the chief 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.520 Connory goes to the Texans. You think the Chiefs are 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.760 gonna sit down thirty one and say, man with Patrick 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:06.480 Mahomes blind side's a mess. But Ariana, hey he's you know, 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.160 he's a projected second round pick. 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.680 We should probably take somebody else. No, they're gonna take Ursery. Yeah, 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:12.360 they're gonna. 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.440 Take them because you're not getting a guy if not. 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:16.960 So this could actually be an interesting exercise. 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.440 We we you just saw this last year, like right, 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.560 the tackle run happened last year. You know, Tyler, can. 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:25.720 You pull up I just want to try something for 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.200 an experiment. Can you pull up like the list of 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.040 tackles that were taken last year? Yeah, we just need 0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:34.960 or pull or pull up the mock draft database, pull 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.080 up last year's tackle list. I'll pull up the tackles 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.160 from last year. I just want to see something I've 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:39.680 been meaning to do. 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:39.760 This. 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:41.640 We'll do it live on the air. We're doing this 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:43.400 live on the Yeah, you see, you see what I'm 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:47.400 going for. We're getting the sausage made here. Yes, so 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.840 I can't type on this smaller keyboard though, So this 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:51.960 this could be a problem. 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:54.400 Okay, fine, I'll just do it all right. So Joel 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.600 last year was seven on the consensus board. 0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:58.600 Let me do it on my phone. 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.480 On your phone, okay, Census, you have the consensus board 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:02.080 from last year. 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.760 I just just just and again. We're doing this live. 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.200 So maybe this won't work out for me, but I 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:07.640 think this is going to prove my point if I 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:12.080 remember correctly. So Joe All went fifth last year. Where 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:13.800 was he on the consensus board last year? 0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:17.040 Seven? Seven? Okay, so he went high and expected JC 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.800 Latham he was twelve on the consensus board. He went seventh. 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:24.600 Ol Lufashanham eleventh and he went all right, that's a draw. 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:30.640 Fuanga thirteenth, he went fourteenth, Right there. Marius Mims twenty first, 0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:31.520 went eighteenth. 0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:35.160 Here we go. Jordan Morgan thirty fifth, went twenty fifth. 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:36.800 Tyler Geyton twenty nine. 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:37.720 That's a draw. 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.120 Patrick Paul forty four, All right. 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:41.600 He went fifty five. He went a little lower, but 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.200 people were low on Patrick Paul, Blake Fisher seventy eight, 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:50.680 fifty nine. Roger Rosengarten sixty four, sixty two, okay, that's close. 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:57.240 Kingsley thirty seven. He later was ranked yeah, he went later. 0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:03.240 Caiten Wallace, we know when he went sixty eight a 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.680 metagi I think was outside of the top one hundred. 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:06.600 He went seventy five. 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.280 Del Mar Glaze, if I remember correctly, was somewhere in 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.200 the one fifties. He went seventy seven. 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.080 Yeah, and then uh, you know, depending on where he plays. 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.560 But Troy Fottenu from Washington when he was eighteen on 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:21.280 the consensus board, I mean some people see him as 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:21.640 a guard. 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.760 Oh he's probably not. I have the the just the 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:25.240 list of tackles up. He must be included. 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.760 But the point being, like the top tackles, it's the 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:29.920 day two stuff might be to get a little bit wonky, 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.120 but you know, really the guys that they were hoping 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.520 were We're going to fall to them, were you know 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.520 the guitans, you know, Jordan Morgan potentially like it was. 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.080 And there was that run. Yeah, and there was that run. 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.120 So I s isn't even shallower tackle. 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.600 Right, There's no reason to think that won't happen again. 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.920 If anything, I think the signs point to the run 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:50.760 being more aggressive. 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.680 I did. This is my biggest fear about this draft 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.720 because I hear people that say they should take the 0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:01.840 best player available at four and then aggressive and try 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.000 to get back into the first round to get the tackle, 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:06.800 so that you address the needs in the right order, 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.200 right in where the value is on the board. And 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.640 I understand that that's a great in theory. It's great 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.200 when we're all on the PFF mock draft simulator and 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:20.120 forcing trades right like, it's a great concept, But actually 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.879 going out and executing the concept they found out last 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.680 year was a lot harder than you want it to be. 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:30.520 And I've said this multiple times, but there's varying reporting 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.239 on whether it was for a receiver or it was 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:37.200 for a tackle, But there is reporting from multiple outlets 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:39.400 at this point that they tried to make this trade 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.879 last year. They tried to trade back into the first 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.280 round last year. I think it for a tackle and receiver. 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.239 They tried a few times, and they got rebuffed. They 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.479 got turned down on the trade. So if you get 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.200 through this draft, and let's just say for argument's sake, 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.560 that they take Jalen Walker at four overall because they 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.960 feel like Jalen Walker is the best overall player on 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.480 their board over Will Campbell, and they get to the bottom 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.040 half of the first round, and they called Minnesota, and 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:08.160 Minnesota doesn't want their deal, and they call, you know, Buffalo, 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.120 who's not gonna trade with them when they wouldn't trade 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:10.839 with them last year. 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.160 But they roll out because the Bills made a very 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:15.280 stupid trade with the Billings. 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.719 They made the stupid trade with the Chiefs because they trade. 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:20.879 Yeah, yeah, that's a good point, yes, fair. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.600 Kansas City says, well, why would we trade you the 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.279 tackle when we need the tackle. We're just gonna take 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.040 the tackle right again. They try to go all up 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.799 and down. Philadelphia says, nope, we we have a guy 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.439 where Philadelphia, we know how to scout better than anybody else. 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.560 We have a guy we love here. We're taking him right. 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.400 You go all through all this whole scenario, and then 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.799 all of a sudden you are left again in a 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.680 position where you don't have a tackle to take at 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.000 your thirty eighth overall pick, and then you're in the 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:48.600 third round again looking around. 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.600 For tackles, and Drake May is getting clocked from the 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.919 blind side time and time again for another five months. 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.560 Yeah, So that that's all the arguments. 0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.439 Can I just can I just say that, like, because 0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.520 I think this has gotten lost as we've gotten into 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:00.120 the weeds. 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.240 Yeah, this is all. It all goes back to Drake May. 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.760 For the people that think we just like love Will Campbell, 0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.359 we think he's his generational prospect, that's not necessarily the case. 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:12.120 It's about how do you invest in your best asset? 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.000 How do you as the Patriots? And that's what makes 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:17.200 him or whoever the top tackle. 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:17.480 On your board is. 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.320 Honestly, if you want to tell me it's armand Membu, 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.160 this take still applies to you. Just replace Campbell with Membo. 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.080 If you think it's Banks, you can do the same thing. 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.239 Hell if you think it's Josh Simmons. Again, I'm worried 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.520 about the injury, but fine, I'll have the conversation. It's 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.040 all about how do you invest in your best asset. 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.720 Some people might tell you that doing that is wide receiver, 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.799 but one the wide receivers at the top this draft 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.400 or worse than the tackles. And it's that you know 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.040 the meme that you love that you definitely originally created 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.080 and didn't steal from somebody, the. 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:51.160 Old Joe Burrow Chase. I created this version myself, but 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.560 it was I will admit that it was stolen from 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.280 the Jamar Chase Penny Sewell discourse. But the tech McMillan, 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:02.560 Will Campbell meme yeah is copywritten to me. There you go. 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.960 So but the point being like, that's what this all 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:05.880 comes back and I feel like. 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.680 We've lost sight of that. Yeah, but that's what this 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:08.440 all comes back to. 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.560 How do you what makes him the best pick is 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.120 it's what's best for Drake May. And what's best for 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:17.080 Drake May is what's best for the football team. If 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.200 there was like an apex receiver in this draft, right, 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.240 if Luther Burden had. 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.120 The jump that we thought he was gonna have from twenty. 0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.200 Twenty three to Marvin Harrison Junior was in this right, 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.600 we might be having a different conversation even though tackle 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.560 is a more valuable position, if that guy was like 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.880 that much better. Right, But the way this board looks, 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.440 getting a left tackle is the best possible thing you 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:40.920 can do for Drake May at this point. That is 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.920 how you invest in your best asset, and that that's 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.239 ultimately what this all comes back to. I'm just not 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.160 taking a pick that helps Drake May the most. 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.560 I think it's extremely risky and right, it's a big 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.080 chance to say we're just gonna trade. 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.359 Back exactly, so that that's the point, like you miss 0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:59.279 on tackle, not only did you not help Drake May 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.880 as much as you can, and you might not help him. 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:03.880 At all in a way where you really need to 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.560 help him out. So last bit of news here, and 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.080 then I want to do our top ten box and 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:09.520 then we're going to open the show up to the 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.440 calls in the emails. I promise there's a lot of 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.200 reporting now from multiple sources. Adams are not my sources, 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:22.520 like multiple reports. Adam Schefter had it, Breer had it, 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:27.160 I think Jordan Schultz had it that Kaishan Boody could 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.560 be available via trade. Now, there's a couple of different 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.960 I guess avenues to look at this. The one that 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.759 I keep coming back to is that if they're going 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.280 to trade one of these younger receivers that they currently 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.560 have on the roster, and let's assume they don't want 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.600 to trade Pop Douglas because he's probably the best of 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.800 the group and they don't want to trade him. Between Booty, 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.239 Polk and Baker, there's no doubt that Booty has the 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.160 most value in a trade right. He has proven NFL 0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:59.839 production last year almost six hundred receiving yards. He has 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:04.920 actual NFL resume as of last year. You're not getting 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:07.839 anything for Polkan Baker at this point. They they you're 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.320 those are players that you're gonna get a conditional seventh 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:12.439 round pick because you were gonna cut him anyways like that. 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.080 That that's the type of thing going at There might 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.480 be a little bit of you know, is Kaishan Boody 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.120 of Rabel program guy. You know, I think that that's 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.359 potentially an issue here as well. But when you look 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.520 at it to me, and we've talked a little bit 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:32.480 about this in the past in terms of the sacrificial 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.279 X receiver in Josh McDaniel's offense, basically just the guy 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.200 that's clearing out coverage on the outside. He's gonna run 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.239 a bunch of nine routes. He's gonna try to get 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.680 behind the defense. If he does, every once in a 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.680 while he might get targeted. But just like Kaysehan Boody 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.480 last year, you're not talking about a high volume of targets. 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:54.000 You're you're really running the offense through the z, the slot, 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.520 the tight ends, the running backs like that. That's where 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:58.680 the offense is going to live in the middle of 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.239 the field, and that's exactly I think what Josh mcdaniels's 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.120 offense has been notoriously, I do think that it's a 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:05.799 good fit with Drake may and the way he can 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:07.960 throw the ball through the middle of the field with 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.239 zip and with accuracy and anticipation. So you look at 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.520 the way they want to build the offense. To me, 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:18.760 Kai Shan Body is a perfectly fine sacrificial X receiver. 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.200 Like if he's the guy that's just gonna run nine 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.560 routes and he's every once in a while he's gonna 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:27.040 sneak behind Derek Stingley for a forty five yard touchdown 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.080 at the end of the half, Like, that's what that 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.799 role is for. That role is not for putting a 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.360 star receiver in that role that is going to emerge 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.360 into a high volume player. It could be you could pivot, 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:40.319 but if they want to build the offense the way 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:42.319 that they have in the past, that is the role. 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.640 So I am a little bit surprised that they don't 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:48.960 see a fit in that particular role for Kaishan Boody. 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:51.520 And I would just say, if you're gonna trade Kishan 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:57.200 Boody and then you're just gonna use a not you know, 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.680 a top fifty pick, let's call it a top seventy 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:04.960 five pick on an ex receiver. The most likely scenario 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.160 is that you're just going to replace Kaishan Boody with 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.680 a draft pick. Like, maybe you go in it into 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:11.480 it and you think that there's a little bit more 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:13.880 ceiling to the player that you're going to draft in 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.239 that role at seventy seven or one oh six or 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:21.040 whatever the case. Horton, Right, you know, maybe you feel 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.560 like there's a little bit more ceiling, or maybe you 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.680 feel like the guy is a better guy. Right, He's 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.960 just a better football character, dude. But in general, like 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:32.160 I feel like you're just throwing another dart at it 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:36.360 being Kaishan Boudi or Jayvon Baker emerging or whatever. I 0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.280 would at that point just hold on to Kishan Booty 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.319 into camp and see what he looks like in his 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.320 third training camp now with the Patriots. So I'm a 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:49.960 little bit surprised that they are so ready potentially to 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.680 move on from Kishan Boody. But I do understand that 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:57.040 he probably presents the most trade value out of anybody 0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.200 in that group. So maybe that's all it is. Maybe 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.240 it's just simply we can't get anything for these other guys, 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.320 but we might actually be able to get a return 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:05.200 for Keisha on Boody. 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:05.560 Yeah. 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:07.600 I mean I think they trade anybody if they you know, 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.000 if they got the right offer, I wouldn't. 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:11.279 I don't think that move's coming. 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.200 Like before the draft though, that's I bring him in 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.040 a camp, bring everybody in a camp and see what's 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:16.759 going on. You still have that extra roster spot of 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:20.360 Stefan Diggs opens on pup so look, could I. 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:21.200 See him getting traded. 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:23.320 Yeah, I'd like them to at least bring him in 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.200 a camp, especially if they get a guy like one 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:28.040 oh four. Right, Yeah, that's an open competition between that 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:29.600 guy and Booty. To me, that guy's not a lock 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.640 for anything, so I understand seeing what he's worth. 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:33.840 I don't think he's a guy. 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:34.399 Like you have to keep. 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.719 He's not untouchable. No, but I don't think they need 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.000 to be in a rush to trade him either. 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:39.840 Yeah, it's just a nice role for him. And I 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.240 look at this group of X receivers in the draft, 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.719 I don't I'm not crazy about any of them, Like 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:48.320 I don't love I tried all offseason, all draft season 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:50.160 to find an X to fall in love with, to 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:52.400 be like, this guy is gonna be my guy in 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.799 the prototype that they need, you know, somebody with some 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.319 size and some speed on the outside. I think Trey 0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.640 Harris probably came the closest to being that guy, but 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.840 he doesn't quite have the top end speed that I 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.279 would really like. But I could see him being this 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:10.640 type of player and being successful there. Jayden Higgins, I 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:12.920 just don't think he plays to the athleticism that he 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.080 tested at at the Combine. I don't think he plays 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.759 to a sub four five forty type of guy. I 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.600 think he's more of a mid four to fives guy 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.400 on tape. I don't think he really runs by people 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.120 very much on the outside. That doesn't mean he's going 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:27.040 to be a bad player. I just don't love him. 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.560 I don't love him, especially at thirty eight, so I 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:31.759 had a tough time with that. I've kind of come 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.640 around to cash on Booty competing for that X receiver 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:38.719 spot under the assumption that it's going to be a 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.280 low volume role, like under the assumption that they're really 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:45.160 not going to feature that spot in the Josh McDaniels offense. 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.399 All Right, so that's where the news stands right now. 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.600 A lot of trade rumors, rumblings things like that about 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.680 draft picks moving, a lot of ash and gent rumblings, 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.960 and that booty trade also coming up in multiple spots. 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.160 Let's do our top ten mocked and now we can 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:03.160 go pretty quickly through some of these because they're kind 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.279 of mine at least at the top, are pretty chalk. 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:07.600 I don't know about you, but I feel would I 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:09.000 do the one I publish or should I just like 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:10.920 do this live on the air. Whatever you want to do, 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:15.040 it's your mocker. I don't do the updates we've gotten since. Okay, 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:18.120 So I'm just gonna start. Yeah, I'm gonna go cam 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:21.479 Ward at one, yep, Travis Hunter at two, Abdul Carter 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:22.120 at three. 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:24.920 I am going to agree with you. 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.480 Yeah, I don't see that changing. I think that that's 0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:31.759 been locked in. I think we're gonna find out, like 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.799 we always do, after the draft, that dad has been 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:35.960 locked in for like six months. 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:37.600 Can I give you a tape? Can I give you 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:37.879 a take? 0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:38.719 Yeah? 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:41.960 So both those teams obviously will need quarterbacks now, right, 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:43.800 the Browns and the Giants. I think we're both candidates 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.239 to trade up. The Browns are the more interesting one 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:48.480 to me because there's two scenarios that are fascinating. 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.319 One they trade up. I think Jalen Milroe has a 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.160 good shot to be a first round pick. Yep. 0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.759 And Tommy Reeves, who's the ocat in Cleveland, was the 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.960 oc at Alabama twenty twenty three when Miller had a 0:44:59.000 --> 0:44:59.480 breakout year. 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:00.439 I could seem like him. 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:04.520 That's one scenario. You want something that's so Browns it hurts. 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:09.480 So gm Andrew Berry had set after the Colorado Pro 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.480 Day watching Travis Hunter Shudur Sanders, man, I wish I 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:16.080 could have them both to the Browns jump the Steelers 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:20.560 at twenty one, take care, take Hunter two drump jump 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:21.800 the Steelers at twenty one. 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.959 And take Shudur Sanders at like eighteen or nineth The Browns. Yeah, 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.319 the Browns. That makes the most sense for them. That 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:29.560 would be now. 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:31.600 So brown And this is not me saying it would work, 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:33.640 but it would be so brown. 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.680 That that I feel like And it kind of goes 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.240 back to what we were talking about with the Patriots 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:43.240 potentially targeting a different player than coming up for the tackle. 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.600 In this from the second round, it's it's trying to 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:48.880 have your cake and eat it too, it really is. 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.080 It's like, Okay, well, we know Travis Hunter is a 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.799 much better player, you know, grades out as a much 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.840 better player than Shador Sanders, but we're desperate for the quarterback. 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:58.760 So what we're gonna do is we're gonna take Travis 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:00.839 Hunter at two, then we're gonna trade out to twenty, 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:02.640 and we're gonna draft sha Door Sanders, and then we're 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.480 gonna come out of this draft with Travis Hunter and 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:08.080 Shador Sanders. On the surface, that sounds like an awesome plan. 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.239 Like everybody in Cleveland would sign up for that plan 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:13.600 right now. If I told you with one hundred percent 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.560 guarantee that they were gonna be able to pull that off, 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.319 I would just have a ton of reservations, more even 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:21.360 more so than I do with the Patriots as a 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.840 Browns fan that's been scarred for years and years of 0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:26.319 them screwing up drafts. But they would actually be able 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:27.720 to pull something like that, doing. 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:29.960 Something gimmicky like that. Doesn't that feel like and I think, 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:33.040 better quarterback? But doesn't that feel like Man's ellish? 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.360 Yeah? I mean it feels it feels like but it 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:37.759 also feels so Cleveland. Brown's like Butcher and not be 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:39.719 able to do it and not be able to pull 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:39.960 it off. 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:40.720 Yeah, that's true. 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:42.759 So well, if if the league is as low on 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.200 Shoudar as some reports suggest, some of it is bad, 0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:47.560 then and then the Browns are just trying to fly 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:49.120 up for him, that would be pretty Browns too. 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.279 If Shador slides, and I don't want to spend too 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.560 much time on Shador, but if Shador slides, let's say 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:55.879 he slides out of the first round. Yeah. The number 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:57.920 one reason I feel like that Shador will slide out 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.400 of the first round is because of how he handled 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.759 the process, not because of the film. I think he's 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.840 a late first round quarterback on film, but he treated 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:09.120 himself like he was a top five pick. He didn't 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:12.920 throw at the combine. He had a showcase pro day 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:16.320 where he threw just like Jay you know, Jenden Daniels, 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:20.000 Drake Man, Caleb Williams did last year. He didn't work out, 0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:24.680 didn't test, he didn't interview particularly well. If you read 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.879 around about some of the reports about his interviews, and 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.120 a little bit of a sense of entitlement, and you know, 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:33.799 just a little bit more entitlement is the best way 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:37.120 to put it. He treated himself like he was Caleb 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.080 Williams and was going to be the number one overall pick. 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:43.080 If he had went into the process with some you know, 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.800 self awareness of what he really was worth in the draft, 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.440 then I think he would have been a much higher 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:51.759 draft pick. But he just hasn't handled the process great. 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.200 From what everybody is saying, you know, we'll see. Maybe 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:57.080 that is the Pittsburgh Steelers trying to put out, you know, 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.400 all this information as smoke screen to get him to 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.560 fall down the boord to them at twenty one. So 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:05.120 Cam wored Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter. Number four overall, the 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.640 New England Patriots I have selecting Will Campbell. I think 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.799 that's just yeah, it's Will Campbell versus the field at 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:14.839 this point. Number five the Jacksonville Jaguars. This is where 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:19.320 it gets really interesting with the Jaguars. Ideally, and I 0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:23.719 went back and forth with this, I believe ideally the 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:25.960 Jaguars would trade out of this pick, yep, just like 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.680 the Patriots would probably ideality at four, I think they 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.720 would try to trade out. Maybe it's with the Chicago Bears. 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.240 Maybe those two swap because I think they want different 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.680 players and they want them to go in the right 0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.759 range of the draft. Right, So the Jacksonville Jaguars, in 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:42.800 my mind want Ted McMillan. They're a tech McMillan team. 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.600 They want Tech McMillan. I think from two angles. One 0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:49.879 you pair him with Brian Thomas Junior. That's a great 0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:53.719 one too, tandem for Liam Cohne to work with. The 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.320 reporting out of Jacksonville is that they want they're targeting 0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:59.960 touchdowns in this draft, right, They're talking offensive skill play 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.319 is big. They have the nerd. I don't think the 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:05.640 NERD's taking a running back. I'm just gonna stick to that. 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.640 I'm going to stick to that premise. I don't think 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.840 he's taking a running back. So if you add that 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:15.040 all up, Teed McMillan he could profile for Gladstone very 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:18.400 similarly to Puka Nikua right where he's not a forty 0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:21.640 time tester, but he's fast in game. He's fast with 0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:24.040 the ball in his hands. He's got great body control, 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.400 he's got great ball skills, Like there's a lot of 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:30.320 Pukah to his game. Yeah, So Jacksonville had five overall 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.319 unable to make a trade down. Here, I have them 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:34.680 taking Teed McMillan. 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.200 So I'll get a little creative here. I have them 0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:39.640 trading back as well, all of them trading back. I 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.279 think that they put, you know, on the chart, on 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.279 the trade chart, the math tells the nerd to make 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.560 the trade. The Bears move up and get ash and Genty. 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:51.000 It's fair. I had that. I went back and forth 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:53.320 with that. I think that's the most the sense you 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.440 know that this trade is coming. I feel like it 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.160 is out there that there's this big trade coming that 0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:00.880 a lot of people have been teasing. And it sounds 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.360 a lot like that. It could be the two of 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:09.040 them swapping there. So right now we have cam Ward, Travis, Hunter, Abdua, 0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:11.920 Carter Will Campbell as the top four. I have Tech 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:15.920 McMillan five to the Jaguars. You have Ashon denty five 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:17.840 to the Bears in a trade down with Jacksonville or 0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:21.800 trade up with Jacksonville. Six. Overall, this one's a wildcard 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.400 to me a little bit too, especially if Genty goes 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:28.200 at five. I think it's between armand Membu and Mason Graham. 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.280 I think both those guys have been linked to Vegas enough. 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.239 I went with armand Membu here. I just feel like 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.800 they are going to want to build in the trenches. 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:42.320 You get Colton Miller. I think they'll satisfy Colton Miller. 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.600 They'll figure it out with him. Armond Membu's your right tackle, 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.800 Colton Miller's your left tackle. Get back to Pete Carroll, 0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:52.880 ground and pound offense with a good offensive line. Armond 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:54.960 Membu six overall to the Raiders can have some fun 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:55.839 with this one. Now. 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:57.759 I don't necessarily think this is what's gonna happen. I'm 0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:01.920 just throw a snary out for you. Tom Brady's in charge. 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.160 He saw for years and years and years what not 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.239 investing in the wide receiver position does to a quarterback. Yep, right, 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:09.920 Pete Carroll's in charge. He wants to throw the ball 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:12.399 around the yard. And Gino Smith, who's got a good 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.640 deep ball. I'm not talking about Tet McMillan. 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:16.480 Evan, Matthew Golden. 0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.440 Yeah, so he stole my thunder. 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:22.359 Is that what you're talking about? Yeah? 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:27.960 Sixteen years ago, Michael Crabtree was the consensus top receiver 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.000 in the draft. Everybody thought he was going high, he 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:32.960 was gonna be a top five pick. He was far 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.600 and away the number one player on the board at 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.120 that position. The Raiders were the first team to take 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.359 a wide receiver. Did they take Michael Crabtree. No, they 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:47.240 took who Evan Darius Hayward Bay because he was faster 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:51.200 from the grave. From the grave. Now, look, I don't 0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:55.520 think Teed McMillan is Michael Crabtree, but it's Crabtree and 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.439 every that was a shocking pick at the time. It's 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:02.120 Crabtree Hayward Bay two two point zero. The Raiders make 0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:05.560 Matthew Golden wide receiver one at pick six. 0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:09.160 Okay, so because he is fast, so I get Matthew. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.720 I have Matthew Golden take here in a second. Okay, 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:18.520 But so we're Ward Hunter, Carter Campbell, Genty Golden for you. 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:22.120 I'm McMillan, Membo Becle. I'm shounding fun with this. I 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:23.280 know this is but I'm serious. 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.040 Mine serious because I haven't published why I published three. 0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.360 So you can check those out. Number seven to the 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:30.440 New York Jets. So you're the New York Jets, and 0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:32.719 I love this for the Jets as a Patriots guy. 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:35.759 You're the New York Jets. The two top tackles are 0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:40.239 gone you're you're perfectly fit. Right tackle is gone right 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.640 because he just got taken by the Las Vegas Raiders 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:45.759 at six. Overall with Membo, there's also a lot of 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.680 scuttle boat with the Jets and Tyler Warren. And the 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.960 Jets have Garrett Wilson, they have Breise Hall, but they 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:54.360 don't really have a second fiddle to Garrett Wilson in 0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.440 the passing game. Tyler Warren makes sense. It helps both 0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:00.319 of their other offensive assets. He's a great blocker and 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:03.759 he's a great pass catcher. He's a clean prospect for 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:06.799 a newer regime to take. Aaron Glenn's like one of 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:09.000 those coaches that you know, he's kind of like Dan Campbell. 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:11.279 He wants to be tough and physical and you know, 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:15.320 build a bully of a football team. They can't get Membo. 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.120 I have the Jets taking Tyler Warren at seven. 0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:21.759 Yeah, so I still have Membo on the board. He's 0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:23.440 the obvious pick, he's the clear pick. 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:24.920 It's the Jets. 0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:26.319 Yeah, they're not going to do that. 0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:28.520 So I'm kind of attempted to go Mason Grahame here. 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.200 The Jets don't need him at all. But Aaron Glenn's 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.200 gonna want a defensive player. He's the best defensive player 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:35.879 on the board. But I'll have them going Tyler Warren 0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:36.120 as well. 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:38.400 Yeah, Tyler Warren makes a lot of sense for them, 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.239 which I if you're a Patriots fan, I think that 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.520 you're fine with them getting Tyler Warren number eight as 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:48.200 the Carolina Panthers. This to me, I think is one 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:52.239 of the bigger surprise picks I have in my top ten. 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.800 When I look at the Carolina Panthers and I texted 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.759 you the screenshot of their wide receiver depth chart right now, 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:01.520 it's not good that the worst wide receiver room in 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.440 the NFL. Now that the Patriots have added Stefon Diggs, 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.520 I can safely say that is the worst wide receiver 0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:12.319 room in the NFL. It's Xavier Lagett, a thirty something 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:15.360 year old Adam Feelin is in there right like. It 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:22.080 is not good. And beyond that, I just can't see 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:26.600 Carolina going into next season with that being their wide 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.480 receiver depth chart. It's just not good enough on any level. 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:34.600 So with the eighth overall picked, the Carolina, Carolina Panthers 0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:38.319 select Matthew Golden from Texas, I just think that it 0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.720 makes a lot of sense for them to add another 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:45.280 offensive playmaker. They need to add receivers. Tech McMillan's already 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.000 off the board in my mock, so they can't take 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.640 Tech McMillan. When a guy runs the sub four three forty, 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.160 even if he doesn't play to the sub four three 0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:57.239 forty on tape, teams just fall over themselves for those 0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:58.840 types of players. There's a lot of smoke here for 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:02.120 Jalen Walker being a Carolina Panther. Maybe that's the other 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.759 pick here, but I'm going Matthew Golden because I look 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.759 at that Carolina offense and I say, this is not good. 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.000 This is not NFL caliber, Like you have to add 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:10.880 something to this group. 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:13.759 I'll go Teed McMillan say everything you just said, them 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:14.360 needing a receiver. 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.759 But I SI love McMillan on the board. Yep, all right. 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:19.400 Number nine the New Orleans Saints. This one was a 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:22.600 little bit tricky to me as well, because I so 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:26.759 see Mikel Williams as a New Orleans Saint fitt. They 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.560 love their ed rushers in New Orleans. They especially love 0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:33.319 their toolsy ed rushers in New Orleans. They've made some 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:37.040 mistakes in the draft, in New Orleans targeting edge rushers, 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:39.040 so it could be mikel Williams. But I'm going to 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:43.000 take the other Georgia edge rusher, Jalen Walker in this spot. 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:45.640 He's still on my board right now to New Orleans. 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.719 So the Saints ad Jalen Walker. I think they would 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.880 be a Tyler Warren team if Tyler Warren fell to 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.400 them at nine, but he got scooped up by the 0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:57.279 Jets at seven. Did you know the Saints starting tight 0:55:57.360 --> 0:56:00.360 end right now is Foster Moreau. He is there starting 0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:02.600 tight end. There's teams with the worst tight end rooms, honestly, 0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:06.240 so they were They are definitely a Tyler Warren team. 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.280 I don't know if they'll take the risk on Colston 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:11.319 Lovelin on the injury risk. So I'm gonna go Jayalen 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:12.800 Walker here at nine to the Saints. 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:16.120 I'm gonna have them trading down again. This is two 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:18.040 trades in the top ten, which might be unlikely. But 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:22.000 I think that the Miami Dolphins look even Mike McDaniel 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:23.799 should be able to see how bad that line is. 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:25.760 You have a quarterback that has a history of injuries, 0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:27.560 you have to be able to address it. I have 0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:30.239 armand Membu falling here. Even if he doesn't. Maybe it's 0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:32.759 a trade up for Calvin Banks for Josh Simmons. They 0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:36.319 need offensive line help. Armond Membu to the Dolphins at nine. 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:38.040 With the Saints moving back and the Saints by a 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:40.719 bunch of needs, they're just perpetually in cap hell at 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:41.640 this point, they still are. 0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:43.719 They could use more picks thanks to the makes a 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:46.000 lot of sense. Yeah, so they get him at thirteen here, 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.919 So who you actually taking a night Membu to the Dolphins? Membu? 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:52.279 Do the Dolphins that time? Okay? Last pick number ten 0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:55.920 the Chicago Bears. See where this is going the Bears. 0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:59.080 Everyone is telling you that the Bears are ashon gent 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.320 crazy right now in this mock, I had Ashton Genty 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:05.720 falling to them right in their laps for Ben Johnson. 0:57:05.760 --> 0:57:07.600 Don't even need to trade up for him. So the 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.200 Bears taking at ten ash and Genty they get their 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.719 guy without a trade up, which probably isn't gonna happen. 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.200 They're probably gonna end up swapping with Jacksonville and taking 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:17.560 him at five, and Jacksonville will get their guy Ted 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.640 McMillan at ten. But I think those are two teams 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.920 are taking McMillan and Genty in some order like however, 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:25.960 they figure it out. They figure it out. But I 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:29.120 just had them. Everybody's sticking in picking here Ashton Genty 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:33.040 at ten, So cam Ward to the Titans, Travis Hunter 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:37.160 to the Browns, Abdul Carter to the Giants, Will Campbell 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:40.200 to the Pats, Teed McMillan to the Jaguars, Membu to 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:43.360 the Raiders, Warren to the Jets, Matthew Golden is surprise 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:46.600 top ten pick to the Carolina Panthers, Jalen Walker to 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:49.200 the New Orleans Saints, and Ashton Genty to the Chicago Bears. 0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:51.800 That's the official. There you go. Evan is our top ten. 0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:52.800 I guess I got a wrap mine up. 0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:54.800 I'll take Mason Graham to the Jacks because it'll bug 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:56.440 you that the NERD's taking a defensive tackle. 0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:58.400 So the only player in the top ten that I 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:02.400 felt wrong about keeping out was Mason. I've seen him 0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:05.040 out of some people's top tens. This isn't completely out 0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:08.640 of left field. He is another one of those guys 0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:10.920 that has been hiding in the pre draft process. Did 0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:14.640 no testing, nothing at his pro day, nothing at the combine, 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:17.920 he's a great football player. He wins with technique, he 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.960 wins with leverage, he wins with hustle, he wins with 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:24.280 effort and finish all those types of things. But he's 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:26.600 not an athlete. And he's clearly not an athlete because 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:29.160 he refuses to work out, so he's hiding the fact 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:31.480 that he's not an athlete. For the most part, I 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.680 think if you're picking in the top ten, you want 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:36.360 to be picking athletic specimens in the top ten. You 0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:39.880 don't want to be picking guys that are are Oh well, 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.720 this guy's savvy and he's sound, and he's smart, and 0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:45.640 he's you know, hustles and all that like that's usually 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:48.680 not top ten worthy. So I see Mason Graham being 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:50.720 the odd man out falling out of the top ten. Yeah, 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:53.880 all right, So there you go. That's the official mock draft, 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:56.040 my one and only top ten mock draft. I think 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:58.400 it's going to be right, probably not, probably gonna be 0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.680 very wrong. We'll see. But let's get into your part 0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:03.440 of the show. Now. We're gonna get into the phones 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.480 and we're gonna get into the emails. 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What's 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.080 up Patty? 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:45.160 Good afternoon, Jens. 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:46.000 How are you hey? 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:47.920 All right? 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:49.240 Evan, And I hope you give me a little bit 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:51.240 of a vine because I got some you know, I 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:52.760 got a lot of draft things I need to get 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.600 off my chest. First thing I wanted to see yesterday, 0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:57.280 I'm to you, is I wanted to get your guys 0:59:57.320 --> 0:59:59.800 feeling on draft fatigue. I know that's kind of a 0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:03.320 big buzzword or buzz buzz word's going on right now, 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.160 and I think a lot of us in this area 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:07.680 have it. And the reason why we have it is 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:10.800 because the last two seasons twenty three and twenty four. 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.960 I don't know about you, I don't know about any 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:16.320 of the other fans, but I started looking at the 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:20.680 top prospects coming out in November because that's how crappy 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:23.640 this team has been. So we're not you know, we're 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:26.880 not looking from January the end of January and to April. 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:31.720 I'm looking from the middle of November into Abril. So 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:34.720 I've got a good idea on who's out there, what 1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:36.959 they're good at, what they're not good at. I don't 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:39.000 break down the film like you, Evan. I'm not as 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:41.280 even though I'm older than you guys, more experienced, I'm 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:43.440 not as smart as you guys, because you know that's 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:45.720 your full time job. So I wanted to get your 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:49.280 thoughts on that. My second thing I wanted to talk 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:52.720 about is you guys were bringing it up twenty four 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:55.240 that's going to be a hotspot to trade up. Now, 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:57.640 what if four tackles are off the board in the 1:00:57.680 --> 1:01:01.680 top fifteen, right, and then what teams like Kansas City 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:05.640 and Houston jump Minnesota and then you know all these 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:09.040 people that are clamoring to take somebody else beside the 1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:11.840 left tackle at the number four spot. You're done, You're cooked. 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:14.480 You're not getting a left tackle this year. No, but 1:01:14.960 --> 1:01:17.720 that's a variable I've not heard anybody bring up yet. 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:20.760 And the last thing I want to end it with, Alex. 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:22.520 I know this is probably gonna be kind of boring 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:25.280 for you because I saw on TV last night you 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:27.520 did the you did a bunch of mock drafts. But 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:31.720 this was my predictive list. First pick Campbell, Second pick 1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:34.920 Jalen Noel. One thing that doesn't get talked about with 1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:36.880 Noel is he was a team captain, so he's a 1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:41.040 high character guy. Number three Jack Sawyer, And this is 1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:43.160 sticking and picking. I think Sawyer is going to fall. 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:45.760 Jack Sawyer number three. I think they're going to get 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:47.800 a tight end. I think the best one in round 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.440 three that's going to be available to them is going 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:53.480 to be Terrence Ferguson. Fifth pick, Jacob Parrish. Fifth pick 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:56.880 for Shard Smith got asked, m you and I rounded 1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.760 out with Drew Kendall, Cayleb Rodgers, who's a versatile he 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:04.240 could inside and he can play tackle. Highly penalized guy, 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:06.680 but I mean he's he wouldn't be a bad guy 1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:09.440 to be sort of that firstatle lignement that you could 1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:11.959 mix and match at any position. If somebody goes down 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:15.720 and Ryan Fitzgerald the round it off, that's all I got. 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:18.560 Let's go, baby, let's go. 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:21.160 Thanks for the call, Patty Good mock, good mock. I 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:24.520 will say Drew Kendall, I think is gonna go a 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:27.360 lot higher than people think. I Drew Kendall's like like 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:30.560 a fourth or fifth round pick. But I like the mock. 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:32.240 I like all the players that he picked there. I 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:35.320 think they're guys that we've discussed and we've talked about 1:02:35.360 --> 1:02:40.000 a lot. I do I find the the Jalen Knowle 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:44.520 thing interesting. It's on the one hand that they could 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:46.720 look at it and we could look at it as 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:49.280 kind of like a redo on Lad McConkie, right, Like 1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:52.200 it's kind of a similar type of player, and you 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:54.160 might feel like, all right, well, they have kind of 1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:56.400 enough of that kind of player, they have enough slots, 1:02:56.400 --> 1:02:58.640 they have enough inside guys. But he's probably the best 1:02:58.640 --> 1:02:59.920 receiver that you could take there. 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:02.640 I also don't think they like people who have said 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:04.960 the slot position is filled, I disagree with that. I 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:07.840 think they have options, but we've talked about this. Pop 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:11.040 Douglas I think absolutely has a role here. Yeah, he's 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:13.439 a good player, He's not that one hundred and twenty 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:16.160 target year guy. He's more Danny A. Mondola than Julian Edelman. 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:19.200 And after that, if they're gonna play digs in the slot, 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:20.560 so that's one thing. I know, you think they're gonna 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:22.680 play digs in the slot, I'd see Moore as a Z. 1:03:23.280 --> 1:03:26.440 So now you're down to Jalen Polk. 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:30.240 Yeah, that's kind of it. 1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:33.560 And like Kedrick Bourne, I guess, I guess. 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:35.080 If you feel good about those as your slot options, 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:38.640 especially in a different slot than a different kind of 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:42.080 slot player than maybe Polk is. I kind of want 1:03:42.120 --> 1:03:43.320 to do this later in the show, but I'll just 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:46.040 bring it up now. Like there's always two or three 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:49.560 guys that I think the Patriots are gonna take. You know, 1:03:50.280 --> 1:03:52.440 everything tells me the Patriots are gonna take that I 1:03:52.480 --> 1:03:55.439 want to get into a mock draft that I don't 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:57.240 end up getting in, and usually they end up taking 1:03:57.240 --> 1:03:58.440 one of those guys, and it bugs me because I 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:01.520 didn't put him in both Iowa State receivers or in 1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:02.080 that category. 1:04:02.080 --> 1:04:02.720 For me, this year. 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:05.480 I did one last night. I was texting about this. 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:07.560 I was trying to get Noel or Higgins in. Yeah, 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:09.680 I couldn't make it work. I ended up putting Tray Harrison, 1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:11.560 who I think is a fit too. But like I 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:15.120 bet you, I'm gonna regret not putting one of the 1:04:15.200 --> 1:04:17.280 Iowa state wide receivers in. But if I put one in, 1:04:17.320 --> 1:04:18.640 they would have taken the other, so I would regret 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:20.280 it either way. But I regret not getting those guys 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:20.960 my mock draps. 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:24.040 It's interesting. The nole thing to me is interesting, and 1:04:24.120 --> 1:04:27.280 I know that I was thinking. It was yesterday that 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:30.360 that Los Angeles the Chargers put out bear side of 1:04:30.400 --> 1:04:32.600 the trade call for Ladd McConkie, and it just kind 1:04:32.600 --> 1:04:35.120 of brought the whole thing back up again at the 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:39.000 Patriots passing on Ladd McConkie. And I do wonder if 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:41.720 this time around they say, well, we want to take 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:45.400 a receiver here, Knowle's the best receiver. We literally just 1:04:45.480 --> 1:04:48.000 made this mistake a year ago, passing on the receiver 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:50.640 because it was too redundant to the guys we already have, like, 1:04:50.680 --> 1:04:52.240 we're not going to do that again, and we're just 1:04:52.280 --> 1:04:55.000 gonna take Jalen Rowle to your point about the slot, 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:58.680 Like I think Diggs is a Z. But in historically, 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:01.600 you know, there's two different types of of like Patriot slots. Right, 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:05.160 There's like the Welker Edelman slot that's truly a third 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:07.680 receiver that comes on the field in eleven and plays 1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:10.760 the slot. And then there's the Julian Edelman slot who's 1:05:10.840 --> 1:05:13.560 kind of like a moveable piece that is really truly 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:15.880 playing the Z, but he's playing like a fifty to 1:05:15.920 --> 1:05:18.880 fifty split of inside outside. So I see Stefan Diggs 1:05:18.880 --> 1:05:22.160 playing more in that like Julian Edelman type of archetype 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:25.560 or mold of being an inside outside guy, a movable 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:29.200 chess piece around the formation type of guy. If they 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.959 take a guy like Jalen Nole, that's probably his best 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:34.720 role as well. So how do you make that work? 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:37.600 Maybe it's Nol in the slot early on. Diggs is 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:40.000 probably not a long term thing here in New England. 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:42.400 It's probably more of a short term thing. So maybe 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:45.280 in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty seven, Nol you know, 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:48.360 moves over and plays more on the outside. All right, 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:51.160 Randy is in Providence. What's up? Randy. 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:54.040 Hey, how's it going, guys? 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:54.560 Eight? 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:58.720 Hey, So I had a question that I had two takes. 1:05:58.760 --> 1:06:00.959 I want to get your reaction on. They'll be quick. 1:06:02.680 --> 1:06:05.480 So I saw tweet this morning from a guy named. 1:06:05.240 --> 1:06:09.360 Simon Charles is fake account, fake account? 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:11.520 Okay, okay, cool? 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:12.560 Yeah. 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:15.360 I was like, I'm not familiar with him, so all right, yeah, 1:06:16.320 --> 1:06:17.360 then two takes. 1:06:17.400 --> 1:06:20.640 Stop getting god by Simon Charles. 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:25.200 Guys keep going, yeah, I'm not a big look, I'm 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:26.080 not a big Twitter guy. 1:06:27.160 --> 1:06:28.720 We're to make it funny, you know, We're not making 1:06:28.720 --> 1:06:31.560 funny in that, all right? 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:36.000 So, uh, two takes number one. I think Carter goes 1:06:36.000 --> 1:06:38.440 it too, and that's I don't know that that's like 1:06:38.480 --> 1:06:40.280 the hottest take in the world, but every one in 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:42.800 the world has Hunter, and I just think like Andrew 1:06:42.800 --> 1:06:45.480 Berry is kind of known for enjoying the gamesmanship of 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:47.960 this right, and he's kind of like been a little 1:06:48.000 --> 1:06:50.640 too public about it, and I don't know, I think 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:52.320 that if he was going to sit down with Miles 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:54.800 Garrett and sell him on a plan, telling him on 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:58.800 like we're going to create this ridiculous path rush is 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:02.440 more attractive to a guy like Miles Garrett. Then we're 1:07:02.440 --> 1:07:05.040 going to drive Travis Hunter and you, like you were 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:07.640 saying earlier, you know, you can't exactly like one hundred 1:07:07.640 --> 1:07:10.720 percent promise, but we're going to get Hunter and Sanders 1:07:10.800 --> 1:07:13.480 or something like that, you know, So I just to me, 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:16.800 I think that, you know, I'm always suspicious of news 1:07:16.840 --> 1:07:19.840 and stuff that comes out in April, especially from guys 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:22.640 who like to kind of play the media a little bit, 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:26.400 like they have that reputation like Andrew Prairie does. And 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:31.160 then the hotter take that is quick is I think 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:34.160 that more tight ends go in the top ten than 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:39.080 quarterbacks or wide receivers were end. 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:41.120 So I have a take along those lines. 1:07:41.160 --> 1:07:43.200 Thanks for the I think Mason Taylor's going to be 1:07:43.200 --> 1:07:46.320 first round pick, or if not first round, like I 1:07:46.600 --> 1:07:47.960 don't think he's gonna be on the board of thirty 1:07:48.000 --> 1:07:52.080 eight because Tyler Warren's gonna go top ten, Wavelin's gonna 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.080 go top twenty, if not top fifteen. Some people think 1:07:54.120 --> 1:07:57.680 he might go before Warren. Mason Taylor right now on 1:07:57.720 --> 1:08:00.200 the consensus board is fifty. Yeah, So let's see even 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:03.400 say loved and falls to twenty were going thirty picks 1:08:03.400 --> 1:08:05.480 without a tight end were going twenty picks a year 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:08.640 after brock Bowers in a copycat league like and there's 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:10.480 teams that need tight ends. The Rams are down there, 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:12.800 they need a tight end. You could argue the Ravens 1:08:12.800 --> 1:08:16.519 should start getting ready for life after Marc Andrews Denver. 1:08:16.680 --> 1:08:19.679 Denver needs a tight end at twenty. If Loveland goes higher, 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:23.439 I think that's probably Loveland's floor floor. Like Mason, I 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:25.160 don't think Mason Taylor, there's a I think there's a 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:27.280 really good chance Mason Taylor is not good at thirty eight. 1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:29.280 And I'll dress the take up a little bit and say, 1:08:29.280 --> 1:08:30.400 I think Mason Taylor's gonna be. 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:33.080 A first round ten. So I think it's a I've 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:36.240 heard that you're not alone. Yeah. To me, it's a 1:08:36.240 --> 1:08:38.360 lot of projecting for a first round pick. I get it. 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:40.679 He's a good, great athlete. 1:08:40.720 --> 1:08:41.719 He's that much of a projection. 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:43.960 He's just young, but he just doesn't have he doesn't 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:47.639 have a great college production, but he's like the skill 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:50.479 level is very polished for somebody his age. Yeah, I agree, 1:08:50.479 --> 1:08:52.599 he's good well in terms of the ball skills, certainly, 1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:54.719 like there's some route running detail that he's probably gonna 1:08:54.760 --> 1:08:57.320 have to hone in on in the pros. But he's 1:08:57.360 --> 1:09:00.559 a great athlete. He's a smooth athlete. He's a smooths catcher. 1:09:00.600 --> 1:09:02.679 The gauntlet drill that he'd put on in the combine 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:06.200 was just breathtaking, right, Like, that's exactly how it should look. 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:09.000 He's young, he's athletic, you know, all, it checks all 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:11.840 of the boxes. I do think it's a little bit 1:09:11.840 --> 1:09:13.360 steep to put him in the first round, but I 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:15.479 could see him going in the thirties for sure. Like 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:16.920 I think that he's an early second. 1:09:16.960 --> 1:09:18.479 The real take is, I don't think he's on the 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:21.960 board of thirty eight. But you know, as the Great 1:09:22.040 --> 1:09:25.080 League Courses said, we're in the entertainment business. I'll dress 1:09:25.120 --> 1:09:25.640 it up a little bit. 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:29.280 Now. The the take about it being there being more 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:32.160 tight ends than quarterbacks and receivers in the first round, that. 1:09:32.160 --> 1:09:32.960 One topped ten. 1:09:33.040 --> 1:09:37.120 He said, oh, in the top the top ten. Oh well, maybe, 1:09:37.200 --> 1:09:40.080 I mean, I guess maybe sometimes I could see it, 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:42.200 because how are you gonna get three tight ends in 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:43.960 the top ten? Are they gonna be two quarterbacks in 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:46.320 the top ten? No, he's said quarterbacks and receivers. 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:48.720 So what if one of these teams that needs a 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:51.439 pass catcher, looks at it and likes Colston Lovelin better 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:53.040 than McMillan or Golden, whoever's there. 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:55.320 That's a big, big risk. It would have to be 1:09:55.360 --> 1:09:57.559 two to one. It would have to be two to one. 1:09:57.600 --> 1:09:59.439 But like I could see it. I don't know they 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:02.000 did bet on it, but I could see it. You know, 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:03.560 it's not gonna be three to two. It's gonna be 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:03.960 two to one. 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:06.040 Now if we're talking first round. I don't see it 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:11.559 at all. Like I think McMillan, eg, Buka, Matthew Golden 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:14.839 our lock first round picks at receiver, and cam Ward's 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:17.639 a lock first round pick a cord I sneaky love 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:22.160 if he falls there, Buka to the Eagles at thirty two, Yeah, 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:23.639 would be such a good pick. 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:25.840 And I have not seen nearly enough people talk about that. 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:28.559 I know if he'll fall that far, but yeah, it's 1:10:28.560 --> 1:10:30.559 a good pick. But those four guys are going in 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:32.519 the first round. I can't get too. 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:34.960 Because it's it's kind of the same thing with Tet 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:39.320 where he's not that that level of athlete that teams 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:41.639 usually want from wide receivers in the first round. He's 1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:44.559 incredibly skilled and he's a good player, and it's annoying 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.480 that we're kind of just banking so much on athleticism 1:10:47.479 --> 1:10:49.719 and not looking at how good is this guy at football? 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:52.120 Actually it's not just a track meet. But yeah, like, 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:54.439 if Tedt's gonna fall, you can make an argument that 1:10:54.640 --> 1:10:57.519 Buka's gonna fall too, because they're short. They're very different players, 1:10:57.880 --> 1:11:00.000 but their shortcomings on the surface are kind of. 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:02.479 They both don't have top end speed, right, they both 1:11:02.479 --> 1:11:06.400 have that modest place uh top end speed. I wouldn't 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:08.719 call it play speed because I think ted is fast 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:10.760 with the ball in his hands, but they are not 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:14.280 necessarily dynamic route runners in terms of speed. I could 1:11:14.439 --> 1:11:16.320 I could see a Buka falling a little bit. I 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:20.760 still feel like he's right in that jsn addison z 1:11:20.760 --> 1:11:23.600 A Flowers sweet spot right right in the twenties somewhere 1:11:24.240 --> 1:11:27.000 makes the most sense for Buka. All right, Rio is 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:28.040 in Texas? What's up? 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:28.280 Rio? 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:35.160 Rio? You're there? Good? 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:36.840 Uh? 1:11:37.200 --> 1:11:38.920 I'm ready for this draft season to be over. I 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:40.320 don't know if you all feeling in the same. 1:11:40.160 --> 1:11:44.519 Way we love the draft season here. Oh yeah, I 1:11:44.560 --> 1:11:48.559 don't know. There's something about like sea ready to be 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:50.679 over and like wanting to know who they are actually 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:52.439 going to take. I think are two different things. I'm 1:11:52.439 --> 1:11:53.880 ready to actually see who they're gonna take. 1:11:53.920 --> 1:11:55.880 I enjoy it, it's fun to talk about and all that, 1:11:55.920 --> 1:11:58.680 but there is an element of, like, you put all 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:00.519 this work in you want to pay off. You won't 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:02.960 know if you were right or not right, So it's 1:12:03.040 --> 1:12:05.479 kind of there's a there's a balance there. 1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:08.600 Well, none of us are going to be right in 1:12:08.600 --> 1:12:11.720 the end, but I just wanted to get a couple 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:13.800 of things off of my chest and then ask a 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:18.200 ask a question kind of with Patty was saying earlier. 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:20.800 You know, going back, it's been a very long draft 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:24.760 season and I spent quite frankly since the words young 1:12:24.840 --> 1:12:27.240 Tunger Cat were uttered. I've been looking at the draft 1:12:27.240 --> 1:12:31.519 class because I was a little dubious at that point, 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:34.680 and this draft has reminded me of a lot of 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:37.719 twenty twenty two, where you're going to have a whole 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:40.680 bunch of prospects debated at the top, and I think 1:12:40.720 --> 1:12:43.320 we're going to look back in three years and say, yeah, 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:44.680 there are a couple of guys that are pretty good, 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:46.720 and the rest of them that we've been debating, they 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:49.920 all kind of stink. There's nothing great there. And when 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:54.320 Alex brought up earlier with Darius Hayward Day and Michael Crabtree, 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:56.439 you know that was a shocking pick at the time. 1:12:57.520 --> 1:13:00.000 Neither guy was any good Tree. 1:13:00.000 --> 1:13:00.519 He was solid. 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:02.160 He wasn't what he was supposed to be, but he 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:02.519 was solid. 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:07.120 Do you want to take him as a tautent tick? 1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:12.280 I don't, But my thinking is why not try to 1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:17.680 avoid the entire mess basically? And I know you thought that. 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:20.599 Evan said earlier that the Raiders were going to take 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:23.519 care of Colton Miller. I don't think they are. I 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:25.160 think they're going to try to go a different direction. 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:28.200 What do you think about just one for six and 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:30.599 Colton Miller? Just valu him as a third round pick 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:32.960 since you have to pay him, take yourself out of 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:35.840 the position where you even have to be thinking, I 1:13:35.920 --> 1:13:39.720 have to take a tackle at four overall because we 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:42.240 got to protect Drake May and now you open up 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:43.559 the board for yourself at six. 1:13:44.720 --> 1:13:46.800 Yeah, it's a it's a good theory. Rio, thanks for 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:47.439 the call. 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:50.679 Real quick, just for the record. Yeah, Michael Crabtree seventeen 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:51.479 game average in his. 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:53.560 Career, stuck on Crabtree averaged. 1:13:53.280 --> 1:13:56.320 Over seventeen games each season, seventy six catches, nine hundred yards, 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:56.960 seven touchdowns. 1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:59.320 I'd take that. Yeah, he was fine. That's fine. He 1:13:59.320 --> 1:14:00.559 wasn't what he was full to be, but he's not 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:04.640 a bad player. Would I trade for for six and 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:07.800 Colton Miller? Yeah, I probably would. I would. I don't 1:14:07.800 --> 1:14:09.759 think the Raiders would. I don't know if the Raiders would. 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:13.519 I also have just decided that the market for these 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:17.120 trades that include veteran players is so wacky at this 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:19.519 point that I'm done trying to predict what exactly a 1:14:19.560 --> 1:14:21.720 player is going to get in return. Colton Miller could 1:14:21.760 --> 1:14:23.080 be worth the first round pick, it could be worth 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:25.639 the seventh round pick. I honestly have no idea anymore, 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:28.439 because everything seems to be a case by case basis 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:30.719 where it just depends on the supply and the demand 1:14:30.840 --> 1:14:31.559 and that all this. 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:34.320 There's more demand at the position. 1:14:34.479 --> 1:14:38.000 But yeah, if you're the Raiders, would you rather move 1:14:38.080 --> 1:14:42.240 up two spots or get the thirty eighth pick outright. 1:14:45.000 --> 1:14:46.720 In this draft? How would they get the thirty eighth 1:14:46.720 --> 1:14:47.800 pick for Coldon Miller? 1:14:48.479 --> 1:14:50.200 I'm saying if those are the two options, right, you 1:14:50.240 --> 1:14:52.320 can either move up probably get the thirty eighth pick. 1:14:52.400 --> 1:14:55.040 I would too if I'm the Raiders. So the whole 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:56.360 six to fourth thing that doesn't work. 1:14:56.280 --> 1:14:59.080 Well unless the only way I guess I wouldn't it 1:14:59.200 --> 1:15:02.760 just to play Devil's advocate, is if the Raiders are 1:15:03.160 --> 1:15:05.680 convinced that Genty's going five to the Jaguars and they 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:09.360 want genty, so then you got yes, you're jumping the 1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:11.200 Jaguars to get genty I. 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:13.680 It also doesn't matter because there was nothing in that 1:15:13.680 --> 1:15:15.760 report that Colton Miller wants to be traded right, just 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:18.080 that he wants a new contract. He's a starting caliber 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:20.400 left tackle. We've talked about how hard those guys are 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:23.559 to find. That's gonna you're you're that was less than 1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:26.240 a week ago. So you're gonna trade a guy over 1:15:26.360 --> 1:15:31.519 contract dispute if it's even reached that point it's optional workouts. Yeah, 1:15:31.960 --> 1:15:33.800 you're gonna move on from that guy in a week. 1:15:34.360 --> 1:15:37.360 Over All that a twenty nine year old starting left tackle, because. 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:38.400 That's a that's a camp trade. 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:41.280 If it's a trade right now, and the Patriots absolutely 1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:44.439 cannot say, well, Colton Miller might be available, so we're 1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:46.840 not gonna take a left tackle. You can't do that 1:15:47.120 --> 1:15:49.360 because if he doesn't become available, which odds are he 1:15:49.400 --> 1:15:52.400 won't because these tackles never become available. If he doesn't 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:53.639 become available, now you don't. 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:55.680 Have a tackle. You the Colton Miller thing. 1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:59.400 It's a nice thought, there it logistically for a million 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:00.240 reasons won't happen. 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:03.920 The question that I would pose, and feel free to 1:16:03.920 --> 1:16:06.599 call on an email, and and I'm not saying this 1:16:06.960 --> 1:16:11.160 argumentatively necessarily, but the question that I would pose is that, 1:16:11.920 --> 1:16:14.320 are all these people that are trying to find I'm 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:16.840 not picking on Rio either, all these people that are 1:16:16.840 --> 1:16:18.920 trying to find creative ways to get out of taking 1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:22.479 Will Campbell at for overall or any tackle? Is it because, 1:16:23.520 --> 1:16:25.920 and be honest with yourself, is it because you just 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:28.400 don't like the player? Yeah? Or is it because you 1:16:28.439 --> 1:16:30.519 don't like the idea of taking a tackle because it's 1:16:30.520 --> 1:16:32.920 not fun enough? Right? Like, it's just not like you 1:16:33.000 --> 1:16:35.439 want to come out of this draft with something that 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:38.840 is sexy, something that is appealing, something that is fun, 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:41.840 and it socks for Christmas, and you don't want to 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:43.200 pull the you know, you don't want to pull the 1:16:43.240 --> 1:16:46.599 trigger on socks for Christmas you want the Xbox, And like, 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:50.160 now we're just talking ourselves into every other possible avenue. 1:16:50.160 --> 1:16:52.840 You know, take gent ed four, trade back up into 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:56.120 the twenties for the tackle, trade four for six and 1:16:56.280 --> 1:16:58.960 Colton Miller, you know, trade a third round pick for 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:01.120 Colton Miller, and then you don't need to take the 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:03.679 tackle at four. We're just trying to find a bunch 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:06.120 of different ways to avoid taking the tackle. And I'm 1:17:06.200 --> 1:17:09.479 genuinely curious if that is because you just don't like 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:12.559 the players available at the position, or it's because you 1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:14.960 don't want to take the tackle, because I think a 1:17:14.960 --> 1:17:17.040 lot for a lot of people is that you just 1:17:17.080 --> 1:17:19.200 don't want to take the tackle. You just don't. You 1:17:19.280 --> 1:17:21.840 just don't want the socks and underwear for Christmas. You 1:17:21.880 --> 1:17:28.479 want the xbox. And sometimes, speaking as an adult right now, 1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:32.479 that's trying to adult and failing miserably telling you right now, 1:17:32.600 --> 1:17:35.559 the socks for Christmas are practical and they're great. And again, 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:36.200 if you don't. 1:17:36.080 --> 1:17:38.120 Want Campbell, that's fine, but like you got to tell 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:40.519 me then, especially you're like, if you tell me member 1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:42.759 with four, fine, okay, you believe more in him than Campbell. 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:44.360 I'm talking tackles in general. 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:46.000 Right, if you're saying I don't want to tackle it 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:47.880 for you got to tell me either how else you're 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:51.639 getting that player or why you're comfortable with Vederian low 1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:52.320 starting her again? 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:54.679 All right, Jordan is in Ohio. It's up, Jordan. 1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:59.080 Uh, George Pickens? 1:17:59.200 --> 1:18:02.120 Would you guys a day too like a third round 1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:06.400 pick for him? That's my first question. Second, would what's 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:07.080 your guys. 1:18:06.880 --> 1:18:09.360 Spots on Jehem Bell moving the full back? 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:14.680 Yeah? Thanks for the call of Jordan. I say a 1:18:14.760 --> 1:18:17.040 Day two pick, like when I trade seventy seven for 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:17.719 George Pickens? 1:18:17.840 --> 1:18:19.720 Yeah, probably probably, I'm not trading thirty five. 1:18:19.760 --> 1:18:21.479 I don't know if I would trade thirty eight for him. 1:18:21.760 --> 1:18:24.559 He's not their type of guy, like obviously with some 1:18:24.600 --> 1:18:27.640 of the character stuff, and he's a little bit of 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:29.360 a head case, like he's just not a very able 1:18:29.439 --> 1:18:29.880 kind of guy. 1:18:29.920 --> 1:18:31.680 And what is he looking for? Is he looking for 1:18:31.720 --> 1:18:33.799 a new contract? Is he coming here trying to reset 1:18:33.800 --> 1:18:36.200 his value? And he plans on hidden free agency? If 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:40.479 he's coming as a rental, No, I maybe late day three. 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:42.400 I'm not trading a top three pick or a top 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:43.360 uners pick for rental. 1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:45.479 I'm not gonna go crazy and be like, I don't 1:18:45.479 --> 1:18:48.120 want George Pickens on my type. But I'm just saying 1:18:48.120 --> 1:18:52.040 that I would probably be conservative. I wouldn't give up 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:54.320 thirty eight, but I give up seventy seven for George 1:18:54.360 --> 1:18:55.439 Pickens probably, like I. 1:18:55.360 --> 1:18:59.080 Think you kind of not going to sign a new contract. Okay, 1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:00.880 that he's in the last year's deal. 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:03.479 Right, getting there. I don't know if it's the last year. 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:07.120 He's in twenty two draft four? Yeah's the second round pick. 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:08.760 He doesn't have a rookie options, so yes, last year 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:11.679 was deal? All right? Mark is in Connecticut? What's up? Mark? 1:19:13.400 --> 1:19:14.120 Are we ready? 1:19:14.160 --> 1:19:14.479 Guys? 1:19:14.760 --> 1:19:14.880 Oh? 1:19:15.000 --> 1:19:16.240 Yeah, right of course. 1:19:17.760 --> 1:19:21.679 Evan, my draft board is very similar to yours, which 1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:23.439 is great. So that makes me feel a lot better. 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:25.439 But yeah, I don't know about that. 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:29.639 I mean, we're either going to be good or bad. 1:19:30.080 --> 1:19:31.840 That's one of the consensus. 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:34.160 But Travis Hunter, I. 1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:36.920 Want everything we got to do to pop up one 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:39.640 or two picks. What is it going to take? Is 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:42.040 it going to take a second and a third from 1:19:42.040 --> 1:19:43.000 this year to do that? 1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:43.720 No? 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:47.439 I just wanted to get your guys' tensus on how 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:51.240 much draft capital we gotta do to move up one spot. 1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:53.000 Maybe two spots. 1:19:52.760 --> 1:19:55.240 More than you should. He's the guy more than you should. 1:19:55.240 --> 1:19:58.040 Thanks for the call, Mark. I love Travis Hunter. I 1:19:58.040 --> 1:19:59.800 actually finished with him as my number one player in 1:19:59.840 --> 1:20:02.639 the I think he's the best player in the draft. 1:20:02.760 --> 1:20:05.840 I think he's a great player. I think you're probably 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:08.400 looking up a giving up the twenty twenty six first 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:10.439 round pick. Yeah, I truly think it's going to be 1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:14.120 something like that. We had a caller earlier, I can't 1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:16.840 remember which when it was, sorry, but in call her 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:18.800 earlier saying that they think that the Browns are going 1:20:18.840 --> 1:20:20.960 to take Abdul Carter instead of Travis Hunter and pull 1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:24.880 fast foot on everybody. Andrew Berry the Browns GM called 1:20:24.920 --> 1:20:30.200 him the show hey Otani of football. Right. I'm sorry, 1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:32.840 but even if he just wants to be coy, even 1:20:32.880 --> 1:20:34.880 if he just wants to play games, even if he 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.639 just wants to have fun with the media, you cannot 1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:40.720 go on the record in a press conference comparing a 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:44.080 guy to show Heyotani. I'm not necessarily a baseball guy. 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:46.479 There's some baseball people that think he's the best player 1:20:46.520 --> 1:20:49.439 of all time in baseball, right, like that, that's not 1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:52.040 a hot take to say that, Shoeyo Tani might be 1:20:52.080 --> 1:20:54.960 the best player of all time at his sport. If 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:58.679 you are comparing that guy to that player in shoe 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:02.040 Heyotani and Travis Hunter, you are taking Travis Hunter because 1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:04.559 if three years from now you ended up being right 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:08.160 and you passed on show Hey Otania Football, then you 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:10.360 are going to look like a moron. So you're not 1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:10.880 doing that. 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:13.680 It's going to cost the future first either way, I 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:17.679 don't it's not worth They need more than one great player, 1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:20.280 and Travis Hunter is a great player, but he's not worth, 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:24.320 you know, getting a potential game changer this year, whether 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:26.920 it be Will Campbell, Jalen Walker, even Ash and Genty 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:29.120 somebody else. Yeah, plus whoever're gonna get next year in 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:32.800 a better draft. It's it's not worth it. 1:21:33.000 --> 1:21:37.519 Yeah, I agree. All right, Henry is in DC. What's up? Henry? 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:41.639 Hey, guys, thanks so much for taking my call. Love 1:21:41.720 --> 1:21:45.519 listening to the show. You getty, good listener. I like 1:21:45.640 --> 1:21:48.639 to run a lot of draft simulations, and there's two 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:50.559 situations I was interested in. 1:21:50.520 --> 1:21:51.040 Your take on. 1:21:51.520 --> 1:21:51.760 Okay. 1:21:52.200 --> 1:21:55.200 The first is in the second round. I feel like 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:57.559 there's always three or four guys that I really want, 1:21:57.640 --> 1:21:59.479 and none of them fall to thirty eight. So for 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:02.559 each of year, who's someone that you'd be pounding the 1:22:02.600 --> 1:22:05.400 table to trade up to get at like thirty three 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:09.120 or thirty four? And then in the third round, I 1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:12.920 feel like there's just so many good options that I 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:15.320 can't pick between them, and I never know what to do. 1:22:15.479 --> 1:22:18.360 So my two questions are who would you trade up 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:21.200 to get at thirty three or thirty four? And then 1:22:21.280 --> 1:22:23.559 what would an A plus third round look like? 1:22:23.640 --> 1:22:27.320 To each you O great good questions, Henry, Who would 1:22:27.360 --> 1:22:31.320 I trade up for in the second round? Line? There 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:33.640 are a lot, I think it all. It's hard to 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:35.360 answer because it depends on who they take it for. 1:22:35.479 --> 1:22:37.519 Right If they don't take a tackle at four, then 1:22:37.560 --> 1:22:40.400 I they're trading up for a tackle, right, like they 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:43.519 have to trade up for Connorly or a nursery in 1:22:43.600 --> 1:22:46.479 my mind. The other guy that you know, I don't 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:48.000 know if I necessarily would need to trade up for 1:22:48.080 --> 1:22:51.240 him or would but just in terms of, you know, 1:22:51.320 --> 1:22:53.920 for the sake of conversation, as they like to say, 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:56.920 one of the more fascinating players in this draft to 1:22:56.960 --> 1:23:01.000 me from Patriots perspective is Luther Burden because they are 1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:03.559 a team that needs special talent on the offensive side 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:05.720 of the ball that needs game changing skill talent on 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:08.080 the offensive side of the ball, which is one hundred 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:12.040 and ten percent what Luther Burden is. But they've also 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:17.919 spent the entire offseason targeting guys that are high character players, 1:23:18.200 --> 1:23:20.519 that are good locker room guys, that are leaders, that 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:23.920 are captain material, all these kinds of things. And if 1:23:24.000 --> 1:23:26.240 Luther Burden falls out of the first round, it's going 1:23:26.280 --> 1:23:29.400 to be because of the football character question marks, right, 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:32.640 It's going to be about the person Luther Burden, not 1:23:32.720 --> 1:23:35.800 the player Luther Burden. So if the Patriots are sitting 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:39.120 there at thirty eight and Luther Burden's falling because of 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:44.400 the concerns about his character and his makeup, that to 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:49.880 me is the ultimate litmus test of the Mike Rabol program. 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:53.479 Would they take the risk on a player like Luther 1:23:53.560 --> 1:23:56.639 Burden Because to me, and I don't know the guy, 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:59.280 I don't do the vetting. I'm not a big dom 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:02.320 in Philadelphi, right, I'm not. I'm not making calls and 1:24:02.520 --> 1:24:06.160 finding out about these guys. But to me, Luther Burden 1:24:06.200 --> 1:24:08.559 would really tip the scales for the Patriots, Like if 1:24:08.560 --> 1:24:10.479 they came out of this draft with Will Campbell and 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:15.120 Luther Burden, Like, I am absolutely ecstatic. Would they do it? 1:24:15.479 --> 1:24:19.760 Would they take Luther Burden? I'm prepared to be disappointed. 1:24:20.680 --> 1:24:23.040 He's like everything we've heard they're not looking for with 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:25.040 some of the red flags, which I think are overblown. 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:27.040 I go watch Drew Locke. 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:29.920 I'd be pissed to Brady after Brady Cook, thank you. 1:24:30.000 --> 1:24:32.919 I liked Drew Locke. That do you still like? 1:24:32.960 --> 1:24:33.639 I do still like Drew. 1:24:34.000 --> 1:24:35.200 That's why you won't quit Drew. 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:37.920 I won't quit Drew Locke and you won't quit Tes Johnson. 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:41.120 But I'd be frustrated to about him. He is you 1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:42.080 said it there. 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:46.840 He is exactly the kind of receiver the Patriots need. 1:24:47.360 --> 1:24:50.479 He is explosive breaker, He's a yeah, game breaker is 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:52.960 a great way to put it. But are those off 1:24:52.960 --> 1:24:55.000 field concerns going to be an issue? The only reason 1:24:55.040 --> 1:24:57.120 he's we're even having this conversation is because of those 1:24:57.160 --> 1:25:01.120 because the issues aren't on the tape. So I'm prepared 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:02.920 to be let down by that. But like, if he's 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:04.920 there at thirty eight or within range of trade up, 1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:06.760 like I would love for them to take him, I'm 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:10.720 just not expecting it. Yep, all right, Ken is in Louisiana. 1:25:10.760 --> 1:25:11.400 What's up? Ken? 1:25:13.680 --> 1:25:17.240 Hey Evan, how's it going good? Before I do anything, 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:19.120 I wanted to thank both of you guys for the 1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:21.559 amount of research and the affort you put into this 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:26.120 draft season, because you've made this incredibly enjoyable and informative 1:25:26.320 --> 1:25:29.400 in you know, you two are my go to guys 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:33.959 for Thank you, Thank you. It means a lot of research. Secondly, 1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:36.799 I really you know, I was reading a column today 1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:39.200 and it kind of mirrored something I was thinking was, 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:42.519 this is a very obvious pick for the Patriots. They 1:25:42.520 --> 1:25:46.640 have always been talking about protecting the protecting the quarterback, 1:25:46.720 --> 1:25:49.599 and they've been talking about this for a long time. 1:25:50.280 --> 1:25:55.720 And uh, you know, Will Campbell may not be what 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:59.240 everybody thinks they should get for a fourth round pick, 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:02.920 but you worth a fourth you know, fourth pick. But 1:26:02.960 --> 1:26:05.240 he's worth a fourth pick to us, you know, on 1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:08.479 a on a on a team level. You know, other 1:26:08.520 --> 1:26:11.599 people maybe you know or maybe that's not the case 1:26:11.640 --> 1:26:13.920 if you've got a line, but you know, to go 1:26:14.000 --> 1:26:17.479 back to your Christmas uh uh gift, we got holes 1:26:17.479 --> 1:26:21.000 in our socks and uh and this guy you know 1:26:21.360 --> 1:26:24.000 has got a darning needle and can make it better. 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:27.880 One of the other things I was I lived for 1:26:27.960 --> 1:26:32.240 ten years in Monroe, Louisiana, where he's from. It is 1:26:32.280 --> 1:26:36.519 a football rich area. It's like a backwater for everything else. 1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:39.920 But I mean all that is a really football rich area. 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:43.400 Just a couple of names. Cam Robinson was from Monroe, 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:47.960 Andrew Whitworth was from Monroe. So you know, kids grow 1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:50.599 up there, you know, they're not just the tallest kid, 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:53.800 and they on the team and they get to play 1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:57.280 quarterback and then they go to hockey hockey practice at 1:26:57.320 --> 1:26:59.800 the end of the season. They grow up, you know, 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:04.760 wanting to be lineman or something like that. And so 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:09.479 there's a very very rich history for that area. You know. Well, 1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:14.000 Milt Williams, you know, played college ball there. Doug Peterson 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:16.880 played college ball there. You know, so there's you know, 1:27:16.920 --> 1:27:20.400 it's a really football rich area. Anyway, That's that's all 1:27:20.439 --> 1:27:23.160 I had. And thank you very much for all the 1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:24.280 really good work you've. 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:25.400 Done for us this season. 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:28.599 Thank you. Thanks Ken. That was a great call, not 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:30.080 just because he was praising us. 1:27:29.960 --> 1:27:32.559 But I love his research. So I just looked it up. 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:35.000 Neville High Schools where where Will Campbell went to uh 1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:36.680 went to high school there. I don't know if there's 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:39.400 more than one high school in Monroe, but it's a 1:27:39.439 --> 1:27:43.960 pretty good alumni list. Larry Anderson, Bubby Brister, who else. 1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:44.240 Is on here? 1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:48.040 Some other older players I haven't heard of. Justin Ellis 1:27:48.040 --> 1:27:53.240 was a good player back in the day. Caventre Turpin, 1:27:53.800 --> 1:27:56.600 Max Mitchell also the head strength and conditioning coach for 1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:57.160 the Chiefs. 1:27:57.560 --> 1:27:59.160 There you go, who's now with the Bills. I guess 1:27:59.200 --> 1:27:59.920 that's not updated. 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:04.040 I thought he put it great where you know Will 1:28:04.120 --> 1:28:06.759 Campbell And this is what we've all been pounding the table. 1:28:07.760 --> 1:28:09.600 It might not be the best pick for everybody, it 1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:11.439 might not be the best pick in every year for 1:28:11.479 --> 1:28:14.240 the fourth overall pick, but for this team, for this year, 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:16.040 it's the best pick that they can possibly make. I 1:28:16.040 --> 1:28:18.479 think that's the best way to put it. That's a 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:22.720 perfect way to put it. I would just say you 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:26.880 and I started doing this together in twenty eighteen seventeen 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:29.800 right around there. You and I have never covered a 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:32.880 draft where left tackle wasn't in need. We have never 1:28:32.920 --> 1:28:36.439 done it. We have never covered a draft. Maybe the 1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:40.200 only time was like nineteen right after they had drafted 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:43.280 Isaiah Win in eighteen. I guess they probably, but I 1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:45.400 think assume that Win was going to be the left 1:28:45.400 --> 1:28:48.280 tackle in nineteen coming off the injury. But he's coming 1:28:48.280 --> 1:28:49.000 off an injury, right. 1:28:48.920 --> 1:28:51.200 There were questions about him coming off the injury, and 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:53.840 I did they need a right tackle that year? 1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:54.599 Was that? 1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:57.280 When after they? Did they like Cannon go after eighteen. 1:28:57.080 --> 1:28:59.040 Or after nineteen? Yeah, you have to, I don't. 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:01.920 I'm okay still at Cannon, So maybe twenty nineteen is 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:02.479 the one year. 1:29:02.680 --> 1:29:05.360 Yeah, but he was coming off a Win was coming 1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:07.320 off of torn achilles at the time. He tore his 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:11.200 achilles in the preseason the year before. We have never 1:29:11.840 --> 1:29:14.320 covered a draft where the Patriots haven't had a need 1:29:14.360 --> 1:29:18.240 at left tackle. They have also and we're getting old. 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:21.040 So that's we're going on in like eight drafts where 1:29:21.080 --> 1:29:25.080 we've talked about tackles every single year. We are also 1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:28.400 going on two to three years now of the Patriots 1:29:28.439 --> 1:29:31.080 having some of the worst offensive line play in the NFL, 1:29:31.800 --> 1:29:35.040 the worst like twenty twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, 1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:38.160 when you've just seen a precipitous drop off of their 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:42.040 offensive line play from bad to worse here in New England. 1:29:42.240 --> 1:29:44.840 So if they draft. Will Campbell had four overall, which 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:48.080 is certainly what it seems like. You need to come 1:29:48.080 --> 1:29:50.000 out of this draft with the dancer at left tackle. 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:52.240 You need to come out of this draft elevating the 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:56.519 talent in the room on the offensive line. And it's 1:29:56.840 --> 1:29:59.960 easy to sit back now and not want to build 1:30:00.040 --> 1:30:03.320 through the trenches. And then everybody gets to the season, yep, 1:30:03.560 --> 1:30:06.760 and they watched Drake May get battered and beaten for 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:10.799 six months. They watch Mandre Stevenson fumble a bajillion times 1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:13.640 and have no place to run the entire year, and 1:30:13.720 --> 1:30:16.320 everything gets blamed on the offensive line, and then we 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:18.639 get to April and nobody wants to draft alignment. 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:19.360 Right. 1:30:19.560 --> 1:30:22.240 It's I get it. It's it's not fun. Like I 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:24.920 would much rather than get Travis Hunter just for the 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:26.920 pure excitement. I think he's a better player too. But 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:30.280 even if I thought they were equal, I probably might 1:30:30.479 --> 1:30:33.759 want Travis Hunter more because it's more exciting, it's more fun. 1:30:34.160 --> 1:30:38.519 But sometimes you just need to go with what you need, 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:41.320 and what they need is the left tackle. I just 1:30:41.680 --> 1:30:44.240 I thought that the callers said it great. It just 1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:46.240 is the best pick for them this year. 1:30:46.439 --> 1:30:49.679 So when I when we work together in twenty nineteen, 1:30:49.680 --> 1:30:51.960 we covered that draft I didn't like, so I apologize 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:54.760 in advance that I can't do this to myself. So 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:56.439 I don't want you to think I'm taking a personal shot. 1:30:56.880 --> 1:30:58.679 I found your mock draft from twenty nineteen. 1:30:59.240 --> 1:30:59.880 I don't want to know. 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:00.240 No. 1:31:01.520 --> 1:31:04.800 So thirty two, Yeah, Jerry Tillery Notre Dame. 1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:05.400 Ah. 1:31:05.600 --> 1:31:07.960 Yeah, now I did like him defensive tackle. 1:31:08.080 --> 1:31:08.760 In the second round. 1:31:08.800 --> 1:31:11.320 You actually had them trading up in the second round 1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:13.920 to take offensive tackle. 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:17.320 Yeah, Dalton Reisner. I was right about that, So clearly 1:31:17.520 --> 1:31:18.360 he's a better guard. 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:18.800 Would you say? 1:31:18.840 --> 1:31:20.559 As always, we can expect a lot of trades from 1:31:20.600 --> 1:31:22.920 Belichick on draft weekend. We try to predict one here, 1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:25.800 and it comes back to the cluster theory, whatever that is. 1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:26.640 This is a strong. 1:31:26.400 --> 1:31:29.400 Offensive tackle class, but the drop off after a certain 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:32.599 point is considerable. The Patriots jump up ten spots at 1:31:32.600 --> 1:31:34.920 one of the premier players at the position. New England 1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:37.439 could opt for left tackle prospects like old Missus Greg 1:31:37.520 --> 1:31:40.120 Little or Caleb McGarry, and I also like the versatile 1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:42.640 Titus Howard. Here, you weren't necessarily wrong, but we go 1:31:42.720 --> 1:31:45.719 with Reisner as a scheme, as a system and culture fit. 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:47.960 You said Scar would love him. 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:50.559 And uh tough guyoun on the. 1:31:50.600 --> 1:31:53.320 Right side, Shack Mason and Reisner would give the Patriots 1:31:53.320 --> 1:31:56.320 two bulldozers. So we were talking tackle in the top 1:31:56.400 --> 1:31:58.840 maybe not in first pick. I also found the mock 1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:01.760 draft tracker. There's a lot to Jerry Tillery, a lot 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:04.880 of Yeah, there's some quarterbacks in there, Drew Locke, Will Greer, 1:32:05.840 --> 1:32:09.400 shout out to Rick Sarah Tella who had Jeffrey Simmons. 1:32:09.560 --> 1:32:12.080 So that that was, But there there are a couple 1:32:12.400 --> 1:32:15.120 bad draft. We were talking tackle in the top one hundred. 1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:19.800 We all were so sure that Belichick would never draft 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:21.640 or receive in the first round. Yeah, yeah, and so 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:24.040 especially that year. None of us were on that scent 1:32:24.200 --> 1:32:27.479 because of that. But good pull, good pull, not terrible. 1:32:28.080 --> 1:32:29.599 Hang on, you want the rest of it while we're here, 1:32:29.760 --> 1:32:34.000 Just just a couple the whole thing. Will Greer, Jase Sternberger. 1:32:34.080 --> 1:32:36.720 They did get Will Gear eventually. Yeah, you had me 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:39.439 Cole Hardman in the third round, ninety seventh. Overall, there 1:32:39.439 --> 1:32:41.840 we go. Pats Way wires the third round. This one 1:32:41.880 --> 1:32:44.800 directly relates to their tears system. You said he could 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:47.280 be an element player who moves around the formation, can 1:32:47.320 --> 1:32:50.800 return kicks. Okay, who else did you have here? Most 1:32:50.800 --> 1:32:52.200 of these Day three guys didn't make it in the 1:32:52.280 --> 1:32:54.360 league so well, but their Day three Oh yeah, they 1:32:54.400 --> 1:32:56.720 had like five seventh round pixels here. Yeah, so you 1:32:56.800 --> 1:32:59.960 take me Cole Hardman ninety seventh. You took Jalen herb 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:02.240 one thirty fourth and then they had four picks to 1:33:02.240 --> 1:33:04.720 fifty five picks. You must have made some trades five 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:05.840 picks to fifty or later. 1:33:06.040 --> 1:33:07.880 I did like Jalen Hurd as well. I thought Jalen 1:33:07.960 --> 1:33:09.240 Hurd was gonna work. He's made sense. 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:11.240 He met with We went with the Rutgers guy late. 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:11.799 Sure. 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:16.880 Yeah, there's a bunch of linemen on both sides. Nick Easley, Iowa, 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:18.360 I like vaguely remember. 1:33:18.040 --> 1:33:20.840 Him, always easy to go at the lineman. Uh So 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:23.679 every year we can safely say we've been talking about tackles, 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:26.320 whether it's left or right or whatever the case may be. 1:33:27.160 --> 1:33:29.160 I just I'm sick of it. I'm sick of talking 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:32.080 about tackles. I'm sick of the offensive line, you know, 1:33:32.120 --> 1:33:35.439 not being up to snuff, not being NFL caliber. And 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:37.400 I think what we've learned over the last couple of 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:41.240 years no, it doesn't necessarily move the needle like a 1:33:41.320 --> 1:33:44.439 top flight receiver would, like a Jamar Chase level receiver would. 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:46.960 But we've learned over the years is that you literally 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:50.400 cannot operate with a bad offensive line. It doesn't have 1:33:50.479 --> 1:33:52.360 to be great, it doesn't have to be elite. It 1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:56.120 doesn't have to be Philly's offensive line or Detroit's offensive line. 1:33:56.120 --> 1:33:58.280 It can be middle of the pack, but you have 1:33:58.360 --> 1:34:01.719 to be at a certain le on the offensive line 1:34:01.840 --> 1:34:04.679 because you just can't call plays right with an offensive 1:34:04.680 --> 1:34:07.080 line at that And we've seen it. So I just 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:10.679 let's let's take the socks for Christmas people. It'll be okay? 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:14.120 Will is uh? Is that Kentucky? Maybe I don't know. 1:34:14.160 --> 1:34:15.840 I'm bad with my abbreviations. What's up? Will? 1:34:17.640 --> 1:34:18.040 Not much? 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:21.639 I'm with the socks and some Kentucky thing or the 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:25.760 socks for Christmas thing? Because receivers look better when the 1:34:25.800 --> 1:34:29.160 quarterbacks got more time to throw the football. If you 1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:31.120 can't even finish this drop before you're getting hit, how 1:34:31.240 --> 1:34:34.720 you getting even get the ball out? I'm tired of 1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:36.879 wat of some people get smacked back there playing quarterback. 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:41.760 Yeah, fair enough? Well what else you got? 1:34:44.520 --> 1:34:48.200 Oh question? What's what would what's the chances of them, 1:34:48.200 --> 1:34:51.320 like somebody like say the Giants throwing a curveball since 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:53.960 they need a right tackle and getting Membo instead of 1:34:54.400 --> 1:34:58.559 abdual Carter because then they move Evan Neil into guards. 1:34:59.640 --> 1:35:02.519 Yeah, yeah, and thanks for the call. Well, I I 1:35:02.600 --> 1:35:04.920 don't think there's a very good chance of that. Now. 1:35:05.400 --> 1:35:07.200 Is there a chance that they trade out of the pick? 1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:10.240 They trade the Giants trade back with somebody so somebody 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:13.080 else can take at dual Carter three? Sure, there's no 1:35:13.080 --> 1:35:14.960 reason for them to take at dual Carter Act three 1:35:15.040 --> 1:35:17.200 or excuse me, arm On Membo. Yeah right, No, like 1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:19.599 they can trade out of that pick, somebody else will 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:21.880 take the pick for Abdul Carter and they can still 1:35:21.920 --> 1:35:25.400 take Membo at six. Right, anybody sneaks up in there, 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:26.200 it's gonna be genty. 1:35:26.439 --> 1:35:26.639 Yeah. 1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:28.200 Do the Giants over correct? 1:35:28.240 --> 1:35:30.840 Is Joe Shane over correct on losing Saquon Barkley and 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:32.360 take genty and three because that's the one. 1:35:32.360 --> 1:35:33.680 If you move back you might not get them. 1:35:33.800 --> 1:35:33.960 Yeah. 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:37.080 So we have about approximately one thousand emails coming in. 1:35:37.000 --> 1:35:39.679 A little little breaking news real quick here. The Saints 1:35:39.680 --> 1:35:42.080 are picking up chrys Olave's fifty year options. So he's 1:35:42.120 --> 1:35:44.920 been kind of loosely floated as a Patriots trade target and. 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:46.600 Now is an extra year on his contract. Okay, And 1:35:46.640 --> 1:35:49.360 they're not picking up the option on Trevor Penning, all right, 1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:50.519 Trevor Penning is not good. 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:52.439 If Will Campbell is a guard, like you all say, 1:35:52.560 --> 1:35:53.799 Trevor Penning is not good, it's. 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:55.439 Gonna be a lot of copio Trevor Penning. 1:35:55.439 --> 1:35:57.000 Trevor Penning is a big draft bust. 1:35:57.439 --> 1:35:59.599 He should probably be played. I think he'd be okay 1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:00.000 as the guard. 1:36:00.320 --> 1:36:02.639 That's a guy. He's tall though, he's like a big 1:36:02.720 --> 1:36:05.400 it's true, I don't. I think McKay Beckton kind of 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:07.639 proved you can have tall guards though. But Makai Becton 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:11.240 is like huge, right, Like he's Trevor Petting's like a 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:13.720 tall athlete, like he's kind of like a Nate Soldier build. Yeah, 1:36:14.040 --> 1:36:19.200 all right. Marcel is from Austria. He's emailing in and uh, 1:36:19.280 --> 1:36:22.560 I look, I understand Marcel's train of thought here a 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:23.040 little bit. 1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:23.679 Uh. 1:36:23.760 --> 1:36:26.120 He has a quick draft question for us, which isn't 1:36:26.120 --> 1:36:27.960 so quick. But that's okay, Marcel, we still love you. 1:36:28.560 --> 1:36:31.479 If Membo can't play left tackle because he can't make 1:36:31.520 --> 1:36:34.759 the switch from right to left. And if Campbell can't 1:36:34.760 --> 1:36:38.080 play left tackle because of the arm wingspan, then shouldn't 1:36:38.520 --> 1:36:42.240 the Patriots take Armond Membu essentially? And to me, which 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:45.240 I've said before, which I'm saying a lot today, to me, 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:50.200 this is the best pro Membu argument for the Membu people. 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:53.719 The pro Membo argument is that no matter what, Membu 1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:55.960 is a tackle, he might be a right tackle, but 1:36:56.000 --> 1:36:59.200 he's gonna play tackle, so he's either your left tackle 1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:02.080 or he's right tackle in the future. Morgan Moses is 1:37:02.120 --> 1:37:05.240 thirty four years old. Either way, he's there's a path 1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:09.400 for him to be a starting NFL tackle. For Will Campbell, 1:37:10.000 --> 1:37:14.760 the backup plan is guard. So in theory, Membo would 1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:17.880 have a little bit more value positionally than Will camp I. 1:37:17.800 --> 1:37:20.479 Just think you shouldn't And I look, I get drafts 1:37:20.520 --> 1:37:22.760 haven't gone here well last few years. Besides last year, 1:37:23.320 --> 1:37:26.960 you shouldn't be drafting a player based off of what 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:30.639 is the worst case scenario, Like that's just drafting scared 1:37:30.680 --> 1:37:33.240 to me. Yeah, because if Campbell hits, he's going to 1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:34.639 be a better left tackle than Membo. 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:36.439 If he adds I think so. 1:37:36.760 --> 1:37:39.040 And somebodys say you shouldn't just draft for the ceiling either, 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:41.760 like there has to be a happy medium, which flying arguing, well, 1:37:41.800 --> 1:37:44.960 if it all hits the fan, you'd rather end up 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:46.840 with the worst version of arm On Membo than the 1:37:46.880 --> 1:37:51.600 worst version of Will Campbell. That's probably true, but you 1:37:51.600 --> 1:37:54.000 shouldn't be drafting with that mentality. That's kind of sad 1:37:54.040 --> 1:37:56.519 if that's how you're approaching it. Yeah, And honestly, if 1:37:56.560 --> 1:37:58.759 you're gonna draft purely on four, then it's Ashton genty. 1:37:59.000 --> 1:38:01.240 Yeah. Ashton gen is the highest floor of any of 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:03.240 these guys were talking about. So I do think that 1:38:03.240 --> 1:38:06.080 that is it's an outside the box reason to take 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:08.760 armand Membu. Yeah, but it is the best case for 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:11.479 Armel Membu, which is that he's going to play tackle. 1:38:11.520 --> 1:38:14.559 It just depends on which side of the formation he's 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:17.240 going to be on. At the same time, I grade 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:21.320 out Will Campbell higher at tackle than I grade out Membo. Right, 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:24.200 And a couple of the other questions on Campbell and 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:26.400 Membu that I wanted to get to one other. I'm 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:28.880 sorry I lost the email, but I'll just ask the question, 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:33.880 was you know that Membu had better tape against the 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:36.840 same competition. They both were in the SEC, they both 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:42.320 went through the SEC gauntlet last year. The only pushback 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:45.240 I would have about that is that I don't think 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:49.200 that their past blocking reps were apples to apples. I 1:38:49.240 --> 1:38:52.040 think Will Campbell had tougher assignments. I think Will Campbell 1:38:52.080 --> 1:38:56.000 was left more consistently on an island without chip help, 1:38:56.080 --> 1:39:01.040 without moving pockets, like straight NFL styled rop back passing, 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:04.040 compared to Membu, which I thought was a little bit 1:39:04.080 --> 1:39:05.439 more helped out by Missouri. 1:39:05.600 --> 1:39:10.560 And it's also Missouri's running more RPOs, more play action screens, 1:39:10.680 --> 1:39:15.080 whereas it's it LSU was straight set the pocket. You 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:16.960 just set the pocket for a guy that had no 1:39:17.080 --> 1:39:21.240 clue where to go in there. But yeah, I'm with 1:39:21.280 --> 1:39:21.680 you on that. 1:39:21.880 --> 1:39:27.200 Yeah, there's a little bit of so PFF tracks true 1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:32.080 pass sets. Yeah, that's the which takes out play action screen, RPO, 1:39:32.200 --> 1:39:36.000 quick game and really measures like the dropbacks where the 1:39:36.080 --> 1:39:38.679 quarterback actually has to hold the ball for a couple beats, right, 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:41.639 and you're really pass blocking like in an NFL level. 1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:46.280 Membo had almost I think it might have been one 1:39:46.360 --> 1:39:50.160 hundred less true pass sets last year than Will Campbell 1:39:50.479 --> 1:39:54.240 one hundred I think, which is a lot. So Campbell 1:39:54.320 --> 1:39:58.000 by far had the most out of the top six tackles. Right, Yeah, 1:39:58.080 --> 1:40:00.759 it wasn't. There were a couple guys that were close, 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:02.880 like Ursery I think was close, but he had the 1:40:02.920 --> 1:40:08.400 most they ran, and then Membu had near the bottom. 1:40:08.479 --> 1:40:10.960 So when you talk about like apples to apples, with that, 1:40:11.040 --> 1:40:14.240 I do think that Campbell had the tougher job to do. Yes. 1:40:14.760 --> 1:40:16.960 The other question here from Aiden, which I think is 1:40:17.000 --> 1:40:19.759 a good question, is that you hear a lot about 1:40:19.800 --> 1:40:22.759 Membo and Banks and their upside and how they're younger players, 1:40:23.040 --> 1:40:26.280 and you don't hear the same for Will Campbell, even 1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:28.479 though he's a true junior as well and it is 1:40:28.520 --> 1:40:30.559 coming out with a good athletic profile. I would just 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:33.240 say that the upside. People feel like the upside with 1:40:33.240 --> 1:40:35.280 Campbell is tapped because of the length, like that's what 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:38.080 it is, like. They don't think because of history and 1:40:38.120 --> 1:40:40.800 because of precedent. There isn't a ton of precedent of 1:40:41.240 --> 1:40:44.200 a thirty three inch t arm tackle turning into an 1:40:44.200 --> 1:40:46.759 all pro Like there just isn't a lot of that now. 1:40:47.240 --> 1:40:49.479 If you really want to be sunk in on Campbell. 1:40:49.760 --> 1:40:53.479 I think the one kind of rebuttal to that argument. 1:40:54.520 --> 1:40:56.559 They haven't really tried a lot of thirty three inch 1:40:56.680 --> 1:40:59.439 arm tackles at tackle right. You know, it used to 1:40:59.439 --> 1:41:02.200 be thirty four, so if you were anything under thirty four, 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:06.280 you were automatically kicked inside until Rashawn Slater about five 1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:08.800 years ago, you know, ten years ago, whatever that was, 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:13.160 and he kind of changed the threshold. So now you're 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:17.480 starting to see Rashawn Slater. The Colts have two tackles 1:41:17.720 --> 1:41:21.400 that play it under thirty three inches. Smith and Bernard 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:25.880 Raymond both play left and right tackle with sub thirty 1:41:25.880 --> 1:41:29.120 three inch arms. Caleb McGarry plays right tackle with sub 1:41:29.120 --> 1:41:32.880 thirty three inch arms. So there's our guys now at 1:41:32.920 --> 1:41:35.000 the threshold has moved a little bit, that are doing 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:36.920 it a little bit more. But none of them have 1:41:37.000 --> 1:41:39.240 been named to All Pro, Pro Bowl or anything like that. 1:41:39.320 --> 1:41:41.880 Raymond's probably the best player. Yeah, and he's coming the closest. 1:41:41.920 --> 1:41:44.920 And I well know Schlater was an All bro he 1:41:45.160 --> 1:41:45.840 at thirty three. 1:41:45.920 --> 1:41:48.640 At thirty three, Well, Campbell's at thirty three, So I think, no, 1:41:48.760 --> 1:41:50.479 he is, don't laugh, he is, I'm laughing. 1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:52.080 I also think. 1:41:52.160 --> 1:41:54.519 People are waiting to hear about the upside like after 1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:57.320 last year, right, Marvin Harrison, and probably little too high 1:41:57.320 --> 1:41:59.200 on Marvin Harrison, but like very good player. 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:00.519 Yeah, people are kind of. 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:02.320 Waiting to hear about the Marvin Harrison joe all the 1:42:02.400 --> 1:42:05.320 upside because the Patriots are picking that high. That's not 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:08.960 this draft. The players with that upside aren't there. So 1:42:09.720 --> 1:42:13.519 Campbell's upside maybe isn't that of a typical top five 1:42:13.600 --> 1:42:15.559 pick or you know, four or five sixty seven in 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:20.120 that range, assuming Carter and Hunter gone again, unless you want. 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:23.360 To take genty. Nobody has that upside in this draft. 1:42:23.680 --> 1:42:24.320 Nobody does. 1:42:24.680 --> 1:42:28.280 So it's just again, this class is part of why 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:31.960 the bars just lower. Somebody shared earlier this morning was 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:35.200 at the twenty twelve NFL draft. The twenty thirteen Yeah, 1:42:35.400 --> 1:42:39.360 we're like this draft could be like that. This draft 1:42:39.400 --> 1:42:41.520 could very much be like that, where. 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:44.760 That's DeAndre Hopkins went in like like twenty sixth or 1:42:44.800 --> 1:42:46.000 something in that draft, which is. 1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:48.759 Cristy, but I mean at the top, Eric Fisher, Luke Jokol, 1:42:48.800 --> 1:42:52.599 Dion Jordan, Lane, Johnson, Ezekiel Onsen, Barcavius Mango, Jonathan Cooper, 1:42:52.840 --> 1:42:56.000 Tevon Austin d Milner, Chance Warmack, I'll keep going DJ Fluker, 1:42:56.080 --> 1:42:58.559 d J. Hayden right, and those are considered the best 1:42:58.600 --> 1:42:59.360 players in the draft. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:02.320 Lane Johnson is the only good player right. 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:06.240 But like, and it's different because Eric Fisher went first overall, 1:43:06.240 --> 1:43:08.280 Flip Lane Johnson Eric Fisher right if. 1:43:08.200 --> 1:43:10.439 Lane Johnson went forward because at the time there was 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:12.960 still a stigma against left and right and Lane Johnson 1:43:13.040 --> 1:43:14.800 was a right tackle, not a left tackle. He was 1:43:14.840 --> 1:43:17.479 the best tackle in the draft, but he played right tackle, 1:43:17.640 --> 1:43:19.800 and so teams prioritize. 1:43:19.840 --> 1:43:22.200 But again, it's like, if that's the kind of class, 1:43:22.240 --> 1:43:23.920 if we find out ten years from now that that 1:43:24.120 --> 1:43:25.840 was the class we were looking at, that level of 1:43:25.840 --> 1:43:28.880 talent and they get a guy who starts, they get 1:43:28.920 --> 1:43:31.160 a guy who's a solid starter for ten years. Yeah, 1:43:31.320 --> 1:43:33.559 you feel pretty happy about that compared to what's around him. 1:43:33.600 --> 1:43:36.200 Well, this is I was texting you about this yesterday 1:43:36.200 --> 1:43:39.400 because I do listen to your station. This is what 1:43:39.439 --> 1:43:43.559 Felger was saying all day yesterday was that he doesn't 1:43:43.600 --> 1:43:45.400 think Will Campbell's were at the fourth pick, so he's 1:43:45.439 --> 1:43:47.599 not just picking him. And I was like, I'm sorry, 1:43:47.600 --> 1:43:50.160 but you can't create a player in Madden and put 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:52.240 him into the draft so that you can create a 1:43:52.240 --> 1:43:55.120 player that has higher upside than Will Campbell. Like, this 1:43:55.200 --> 1:43:57.519 is the this is the group you're picking from. So 1:43:57.560 --> 1:44:00.360 tell me who is the player that you feel is 1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:05.080 better than Will Campbell? And I will probably disagree with you, frankly, 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:08.200 because the point of the matter is is that all 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:11.519 these guys, once you get past Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter, 1:44:11.720 --> 1:44:15.160 Ash and Genty aside, all these other guys are equal. 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:20.160 They're all the same player to me, Bembo, Campbell, Graham, Warren, like, 1:44:20.200 --> 1:44:23.639 I all have them graded in one big cluster. And 1:44:23.720 --> 1:44:25.200 at the end of the day, like we've been saying 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:28.479 for four months, Yeah, the position outweighs the rest of 1:44:28.520 --> 1:44:30.960 it because there's no other way to displace it up, 1:44:31.000 --> 1:44:34.800 there's no other way to slice the pie. Like, are 1:44:34.840 --> 1:44:38.080 you gonna take an interior run stuffer in Mason Graham 1:44:38.320 --> 1:44:40.200 or are you gonna take the position to need at 1:44:40.280 --> 1:44:42.599 left tackle? You're gonna take the left tackle. Are gonna 1:44:42.600 --> 1:44:44.240 take the tight end when you have Hunter Henry and 1:44:44.240 --> 1:44:46.719 Austin Hooper? Or are you gonna take the left tackle? 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:49.479 You're gonna take the left tackle. So that's the type 1:44:49.520 --> 1:44:51.760 of draft that we're in. That's the deal breaker in 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:57.960 a draft like this. Here's a question from Chris. He asks, Uh, 1:44:58.400 --> 1:45:01.800 if you're there at thirty eight and Arianti Ursery and 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:04.680 Josh Simmons are both on the board, which player are 1:45:04.720 --> 1:45:06.559 you taking? I know, I know your answer to this. 1:45:06.640 --> 1:45:09.120 I think, I mean, if the medicals are clean, I'm 1:45:09.120 --> 1:45:11.559 taking Simmons. But I'm worried about the medicals being clean. 1:45:11.600 --> 1:45:14.040 All Right, I'm surprised you wouldn't consider Simmons. I think 1:45:14.040 --> 1:45:16.080 Simmons is a better player than Nursery. The medical stuff 1:45:16.120 --> 1:45:18.280 just scares me. Yeah. The other thing I wanted to 1:45:18.280 --> 1:45:21.080 bring up about Simmons one of the tidbits that I 1:45:21.120 --> 1:45:25.240 did feel like was worthy of that that was important 1:45:25.280 --> 1:45:28.320 that Mike Frabele shared in the pre draft press conference. Uh. 1:45:28.400 --> 1:45:30.600 He was asked, I believe it was by Andrew Callahan, like, 1:45:30.640 --> 1:45:33.880 what's the thing that you've learned about the draft from 1:45:33.920 --> 1:45:36.880 your time in Tennessee. And in Tennessee they took a 1:45:36.960 --> 1:45:41.600 number of injury risk players. Isaiah Wilson was both. He 1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:44.120 was both an injury risk and a character risk. They 1:45:44.160 --> 1:45:46.919 took a handful of those types of guys in Tennessee, 1:45:46.960 --> 1:45:50.240 and Rabel did point out that injury risk players, they 1:45:50.280 --> 1:45:52.719 got burned by them in Tennessee, and he probably wouldn't 1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:55.160 do that again. And if that's not Josh Simmons, and 1:45:55.200 --> 1:45:57.400 I don't know what it is. Right like that, Josh 1:45:57.400 --> 1:46:00.600 Simon sounded Josh Simmons. Now, the only diferences is that 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:02.880 Josh Emmons went to his alma mater with Ryan Day, 1:46:02.880 --> 1:46:04.960 who's a good friend of his, so like, maybe they 1:46:04.960 --> 1:46:07.639 have better intel on the injury than he would normally. 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:10.839 But that to me sounded a lot like Josh Simmons, 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:12.639 do you want to play a little game. Let's play 1:46:12.680 --> 1:46:14.320 a little game with one of these emails? Is just 1:46:14.320 --> 1:46:15.880 one of the ones. We're gonna get myself in trouble again, 1:46:15.880 --> 1:46:18.480 I don't think so. Okay, So this is from Noah 1:46:18.720 --> 1:46:21.760 and he basically wants to give me, have us give 1:46:21.800 --> 1:46:24.320 our best argument for and against a couple of different 1:46:24.320 --> 1:46:28.400 players that are against consensus, like not guys that people 1:46:28.439 --> 1:46:32.720 have them taking normally Mason Graham four and against. 1:46:32.479 --> 1:46:37.360 Born against four like for the Patriots specifically, Yeah four. 1:46:38.760 --> 1:46:42.120 You know, you either get Christian Barmore insurance or you're 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:47.000 just freaking so athletic upfront with him and Barmore and 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:49.679 Milton Williams, Like, there's not a lot of offensive lines 1:46:49.720 --> 1:46:53.479 that are built to handle that athleticism. The case against 1:46:53.800 --> 1:46:57.280 is assuming Barmore is healthy and you know, knock On Wood, 1:46:57.320 --> 1:46:59.760 it's very early, but he's in the building. It's great 1:47:00.160 --> 1:47:02.960 all that. If he is healthy. He's not coming off 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:08.400 the field. Milton Williams isn't coming off the field Keon White. 1:47:08.439 --> 1:47:09.639 I don't think it's coming off the field. 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:10.680 You're using the. 1:47:10.680 --> 1:47:12.320 Fourth overall pick on a guy that's going to be 1:47:12.360 --> 1:47:15.400 a rotational player, using on a guy that's probably not 1:47:15.439 --> 1:47:17.800 gonna be on the field a ton at least initially. 1:47:18.000 --> 1:47:19.599 They need that first round pick to be an impact 1:47:19.600 --> 1:47:23.240 player right away, or you're knocking somebody else out of 1:47:23.240 --> 1:47:25.479 the lineup who has proven more so they can be 1:47:25.479 --> 1:47:26.200 an impact player. 1:47:26.280 --> 1:47:29.240 Yeah, I think the four argument is exactly what you said. 1:47:29.360 --> 1:47:32.400 That is a game wrecking defensive line like Keon White, 1:47:32.840 --> 1:47:36.439 Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, Mason Graham is a heck of 1:47:36.439 --> 1:47:36.760 a group. 1:47:36.800 --> 1:47:37.960 How much are you gonna be able to put all 1:47:37.960 --> 1:47:39.960 those like justify putting those four guys on the field 1:47:39.960 --> 1:47:40.479 at the same time. 1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:44.240 Yep, that's fair. It could go one of two ways. Yeah, 1:47:44.320 --> 1:47:47.400 it's either the Philadelphia Eagles, where you just have waves 1:47:47.439 --> 1:47:49.840 of talent on the defensive line to send at people, 1:47:50.240 --> 1:47:53.640 or it's the Washington football team circa you know, twenty 1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:55.840 nineteen where they use like a bunch of first round 1:47:55.880 --> 1:47:59.439 picks on Alabama defensive lineman and all the only strength 1:47:59.439 --> 1:48:01.880 of their ross was their defensive line and they stunk 1:48:02.000 --> 1:48:04.720 everywhere else. Right, So those are the four and those 1:48:04.760 --> 1:48:07.920 are the against you're really putting all your eggs, and 1:48:08.000 --> 1:48:11.160 we're gonna be this dominant upfront team on defense and 1:48:11.200 --> 1:48:12.960 we're just not gonna give up any points in a. 1:48:13.000 --> 1:48:15.200 Draft that's so good at defensive tackle. I think you 1:48:15.200 --> 1:48:17.519 can if you want to recreate what the Eagles had, 1:48:17.600 --> 1:48:20.160 or even you go is I somebody sent me the 1:48:21.080 --> 1:48:22.800 because the thing about, well, do the Giants real they 1:48:22.800 --> 1:48:24.040 want to add Noal Carter because they have all these 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:26.120 pass rushers. You know, somebody like, yeah, I missed the 1:48:26.200 --> 1:48:28.519 NASCAR defense. Yeah, Like, if you want to recreate that, 1:48:28.760 --> 1:48:30.160 I think you can get guys later in the draft 1:48:30.160 --> 1:48:31.639 to do that. You don't have to do that at four. 1:48:32.160 --> 1:48:34.080 This is an interesting one. It's not gonna happen, but 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:36.559 it's just for the sake of the exercise for or 1:48:36.600 --> 1:48:40.600 against Jahati Baron Baron from Texas. 1:48:41.200 --> 1:48:44.680 I mean it's kind of like Mason Graham, where like, 1:48:46.320 --> 1:48:48.320 if you have Gonzalez and Carlton Davis on the outside, 1:48:48.360 --> 1:48:51.200 I think Baron's can play the slot. Right, If you 1:48:51.240 --> 1:48:53.160 have those two on the outside and Jaday Baron in 1:48:53.200 --> 1:48:56.240 the slot. Yeah, if Baron is the player people think 1:48:56.240 --> 1:48:58.519 he is, that might be the best cornerback trio in 1:48:58.560 --> 1:48:59.040 the league. 1:48:59.280 --> 1:49:00.280 Yeah. 1:49:01.000 --> 1:49:03.400 Do you really want to allocate all your resources that 1:49:03.560 --> 1:49:05.679 heavily to that one position? 1:49:05.840 --> 1:49:07.680 Yeah? And I shouldn't mention this is obviously would be 1:49:07.720 --> 1:49:09.240 in a trade. That be a trade now, Yeah, to 1:49:09.280 --> 1:49:12.800 get Baron, your argument for and against her are solid. Again, four, 1:49:13.600 --> 1:49:16.559 you have a nickel corner to complete the secondary. Yeah, 1:49:16.640 --> 1:49:21.240 that is a complete group with Gonzalez, Carlton Davis and Baron. 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:23.920 Barn reminds me a ton of Brian Branch. I think 1:49:23.920 --> 1:49:25.479 he can play the nickel. I can think he can 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:30.200 play a little bit of safety, physical, feisty, corner ballhowker 1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:33.200 you know, all around the football a ton That would 1:49:33.240 --> 1:49:36.400 be a great, great group against Again, it's same thing, 1:49:36.439 --> 1:49:38.640 as Mason Graham, you just had a lot of resources 1:49:38.640 --> 1:49:40.640 sunk in the corner. You might not give up a 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:42.320 completion on defense, but you're not gonna be able to 1:49:42.360 --> 1:49:44.639 score on offense either, so it's not gonna matter. Yeah, 1:49:44.840 --> 1:49:47.559 that's the against all right, last one here, which is 1:49:47.600 --> 1:49:51.240 interesting but again probably not gonna happen. But fun Jalen 1:49:51.320 --> 1:49:58.200 Milroe at thirty eight four and against. I can't really 1:49:58.200 --> 1:50:00.639 make a case for that. I can't either, And people 1:50:00.640 --> 1:50:02.320 are gonna say, well, he'd be a good wide receiver. 1:50:02.479 --> 1:50:04.840 No, he's gonna get chance play quarterback. Yeah, and I 1:50:04.840 --> 1:50:07.000 think he has a chance to to, you know, make 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:07.679 plays there. 1:50:09.760 --> 1:50:10.200 I don't know. 1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:12.559 At the end of camp, somebody's quarterback gets hurt, you 1:50:12.600 --> 1:50:15.120 maybe flip them, like if you take him at thirty eight. 1:50:15.479 --> 1:50:17.439 Maybe somebody gets desperate for a quarterback and gives you 1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:19.280 a first round pick next year because they really need one. 1:50:19.400 --> 1:50:21.840 I'm really reaching here. No, I don't have one. 1:50:21.960 --> 1:50:22.639 That's a tough one. 1:50:22.760 --> 1:50:24.960 I do. I did like the exercise, but that was 1:50:25.000 --> 1:50:26.920 the one I couldn't. I couldn't. It's a thinker. I 1:50:26.960 --> 1:50:31.000 almost didn't even say it. I don't have before obviously 1:50:31.120 --> 1:50:33.760 obvious again, sir obvious. So you have Drake May and 1:50:33.760 --> 1:50:37.000 you don't need another quarterback. It's the Madden move where. 1:50:38.439 --> 1:50:41.120 The only good enfranchise, the only good player in the draft, 1:50:41.200 --> 1:50:42.759 or the best player in the draft is a position 1:50:42.800 --> 1:50:45.519 you already have loaded, but you draft him because you 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:48.519 can just trade him immediately after the draft. But that's 1:50:48.560 --> 1:50:51.080 not how the real world works. Here's a case for Madden, 1:50:51.120 --> 1:50:51.719 but not in really. 1:50:51.800 --> 1:50:53.880 A couple more emails, then we'll take these last calls 1:50:53.880 --> 1:50:56.960 and we'll wrap it up. So Ashton, Canada rites in 1:50:57.000 --> 1:51:00.599 with two prospects he's surprised that we don't hear more 1:51:00.640 --> 1:51:03.400 about related to the Patriots. One is Walter Nolan, the 1:51:03.640 --> 1:51:06.639 three technique from Ole, miss The other one is one 1:51:06.640 --> 1:51:10.639 of our favorites, Jihad Campbell from Alabama. So Walter Nolan 1:51:12.680 --> 1:51:15.040 tapes a little streaky on Walter Nolan, but he's a 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:18.240 good player, and I think that he's gonna be a 1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:20.280 good player in the pros if a team can get 1:51:20.280 --> 1:51:24.320 his motor on, turn that switch on permanently and not 1:51:24.439 --> 1:51:26.720 let it go right, which I thought at times it 1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:30.519 did watching his tape. But a penetrating three technique, it's 1:51:30.560 --> 1:51:33.320 the same thing with Mason Graham, Like, how many more 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:37.720 interior penetrating defensive lineman can you possibly have on one roster? Right? 1:51:37.720 --> 1:51:40.200 You have Milton Williams. You think you're gonna have Christian 1:51:40.200 --> 1:51:43.320 Barr Moore, you have Keon White, Like, they're all kind 1:51:43.360 --> 1:51:46.599 of the same type of player, same type of position overlap. Yeah, 1:51:46.720 --> 1:51:49.200 it just is the same kind of argument. Giodd Campbell 1:51:49.280 --> 1:51:52.439 is an interesting one. He has the shoulder issue. He 1:51:52.840 --> 1:51:57.360 had surgery on his shoulder recently, like really recently, right 1:51:57.400 --> 1:52:00.439 after the combine, I want to say, and there is 1:52:00.479 --> 1:52:02.200 some doubt that he'll be ready to go to start 1:52:02.200 --> 1:52:04.880 the season. He could start the year on PUP. If 1:52:04.880 --> 1:52:06.720 he does start the year on pp and people have 1:52:07.280 --> 1:52:09.720 issues with the shoulder, Like, I see they're at thirty eight, 1:52:09.840 --> 1:52:12.439 and do you start to entertain g Hot Campbe because 1:52:12.439 --> 1:52:14.240 I think he's a first rounder all day. Yeah, but 1:52:14.320 --> 1:52:15.519 the injury might push him down. 1:52:15.800 --> 1:52:17.640 See that's where more comfortable taking the risks with an 1:52:17.680 --> 1:52:19.400 injury player. It's also a shoulder, it's not like a 1:52:19.479 --> 1:52:22.120 knee or an ankle. Right, Yeah, I like get Campbell. 1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:22.400 Yeah. 1:52:22.439 --> 1:52:24.160 I think the reason we haven't talked and I really 1:52:24.160 --> 1:52:26.360 like Walter Nolan. I think did Trager have him go 1:52:26.439 --> 1:52:27.240 in like eleven or twelve. 1:52:27.320 --> 1:52:29.760 Yeah, he's gonna go high this morning. He's Gonnai people 1:52:30.120 --> 1:52:30.880 team sniffing around. 1:52:30.960 --> 1:52:33.680 That's the guy Trags keeps texting me about for Cincinnati. 1:52:33.960 --> 1:52:38.599 Walter Nolan. Yeah, we haven't talked about him, just because 1:52:38.600 --> 1:52:42.040 he's in between. Like it'd be a trade way down 1:52:42.160 --> 1:52:45.200 or a trade way up. If Campbell falls, I'd probably 1:52:45.200 --> 1:52:47.519 take him. I take the risk on the injury him. 1:52:47.720 --> 1:52:49.840 Robert Splane, those guys are gonna crack skulls. There a 1:52:49.960 --> 1:52:52.720 second level that'd be a really fun group. That's a 1:52:52.760 --> 1:52:54.920 case where as much as we've heart we've harped on 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:58.000 drafting for knee throughout this process, there are certain guys 1:52:58.040 --> 1:53:00.840 that are just so good, especially later on, Like if 1:53:00.880 --> 1:53:02.760 they don't feel like they if they get the tackle 1:53:02.880 --> 1:53:05.439 for they don't feel like they're pressed to get a receiver. Yeah, 1:53:05.479 --> 1:53:07.720 Gihad Cambc's are a really good football Player's nothing wrong 1:53:07.720 --> 1:53:08.720 with adding a guy like that. 1:53:08.800 --> 1:53:11.559 I'd be really I'm interested to see. I think there's 1:53:11.600 --> 1:53:14.720 an argument, and I'm not necessarily saying I'm making it, 1:53:14.760 --> 1:53:18.679 but there is an argument Jalen Walker versus Gihod Campbell, 1:53:18.680 --> 1:53:20.479 Like I think that's maybe a little bit closer than 1:53:20.479 --> 1:53:21.200 some people make it out. 1:53:21.400 --> 1:53:24.000 I think Walker is the higher ceiling and that's why 1:53:24.040 --> 1:53:26.839 he's getting more looks. But like because he's a tweener 1:53:26.960 --> 1:53:29.600 and there's more development there, Giodd Campbell's gonna come in 1:53:29.680 --> 1:53:31.160 right away and be a damn good linebacker. 1:53:31.240 --> 1:53:33.120 I just think Giodd Campbell's got a little bit more 1:53:33.160 --> 1:53:35.160 size and a little bit more length. Like I think 1:53:35.200 --> 1:53:38.200 his edge rushing tape might actually be better than Jalen Walker. 1:53:38.280 --> 1:53:41.920 He reminds me of like Levonte David. I could see that. Yeah, yeah, 1:53:42.040 --> 1:53:43.559 I think it's really. 1:53:43.600 --> 1:53:45.840 His rushing tape is good. Which stands out to me 1:53:45.920 --> 1:53:49.560 is he's such a good coverage linebacker. Yeah, like in 1:53:50.040 --> 1:53:52.840 space and there are not, you know, not every not 1:53:52.840 --> 1:53:54.519 a lot of Fred Warners flowing around the league, and 1:53:54.560 --> 1:53:57.479 that maybe a little lofty of a camp but on 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:01.879 my comp yeah, Tremaine Edmonds, Oh yeah, okay. 1:54:01.800 --> 1:54:05.639 Yeah, really athletic. He's got that like soccer goalie thing 1:54:05.720 --> 1:54:07.439 going on, where like you got to throw around him 1:54:07.600 --> 1:54:10.160 in the middle of the field of the great wingspan. Uh, 1:54:10.640 --> 1:54:15.680 extremely good in space, smart coverage, can spy quarterbacks. Yeah, 1:54:15.720 --> 1:54:18.880 good football player. All right, Pedro in Brazil. It's a 1:54:18.880 --> 1:54:21.160 big market for US now these days, alex So shout 1:54:21.160 --> 1:54:24.519 out to Brazil. Uh, he said, outside of the first round, 1:54:25.320 --> 1:54:27.320 who would you put your money on that? At the 1:54:27.400 --> 1:54:30.479 end of the draft, this player will be a Patriot. 1:54:32.120 --> 1:54:34.160 This is the Jack Sawyer question. I'm just gonna say it. 1:54:35.000 --> 1:54:36.560 Yeah, that's the obviously. Now I'm gonna go. 1:54:36.640 --> 1:54:39.000 Look, the only guy so I try not to double 1:54:39.080 --> 1:54:41.360 up in mock drafts the last couple of years, I 1:54:41.400 --> 1:54:43.320 have in the first round because they're picking so high 1:54:43.360 --> 1:54:46.080 with Drake May and Will Campbell. This year, there's only 1:54:46.120 --> 1:54:47.840 one other guy Wh've doubled up on in the last 1:54:47.840 --> 1:54:50.040 two years, Yeah, in mock drafts. 1:54:50.200 --> 1:54:52.280 And that is Drew Kendall. Yeah, so I think I 1:54:52.360 --> 1:54:54.200 kind of have to say Drew Kendall. Yeah, that's a 1:54:54.200 --> 1:54:56.120 good one. Jacksaw is a good one to Jack Sawyer. 1:54:56.240 --> 1:54:59.800 Drew Kendo obviously, big oz Ozzi Trapilo from Boston College. 1:55:00.160 --> 1:55:02.840 So I don't think so because he's a right tackle. No, 1:55:03.440 --> 1:55:05.840 not because I don't think they like him. I think 1:55:05.880 --> 1:55:08.040 he's gonna go kind of higher than people expect. Yeah, 1:55:08.080 --> 1:55:09.920 and I don't know that he's gonna go where they 1:55:09.920 --> 1:55:12.840 would take him. He might go between thirty eight and sixty. 1:55:12.920 --> 1:55:14.480 They're not gonna take him at thirty eight, it's too 1:55:14.560 --> 1:55:17.560 I he might go before sixty nine and they might 1:55:17.560 --> 1:55:21.040 not have a chance to get him. So he's another 1:55:21.120 --> 1:55:23.480 donut guy. I think they'd love to take him. 1:55:23.640 --> 1:55:23.960 I do. 1:55:24.400 --> 1:55:26.400 I think he's their kind of guy. If it's profile. 1:55:26.440 --> 1:55:28.720 He's at BC with Moron and all that. Yeah, and 1:55:28.760 --> 1:55:30.160 he would be a good pick if they If you 1:55:30.200 --> 1:55:33.720 fall sixty nine, yeah, I wonder if somebody else is 1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:34.600 going to ruin that for them. 1:55:34.920 --> 1:55:36.880 Fair enough? All right, let's take these last two calls, 1:55:36.920 --> 1:55:38.160 and then we got to wrap it up. I know 1:55:38.200 --> 1:55:40.040 we got a ton of emails and then we really 1:55:40.080 --> 1:55:42.440 appreciate it, and I'm sorry that we didn't get to 1:55:42.480 --> 1:55:45.280 all of them, but there's just too many. So we'll 1:55:45.280 --> 1:55:47.640 get to some of them next week maybe. But Eldred 1:55:47.680 --> 1:55:55.480 is in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred? Good question? 1:55:55.560 --> 1:56:00.680 Make it real quick. I four, I want to trade 1:56:00.760 --> 1:56:01.320 up to get him. 1:56:01.560 --> 1:56:02.720 Would y'all take that trade? 1:56:02.800 --> 1:56:03.880 Or would you do a big gent? 1:56:04.880 --> 1:56:08.320 And then what are y'all hearing about Darian Porter? 1:56:09.000 --> 1:56:09.160 Is he? 1:56:09.360 --> 1:56:09.760 Uh? 1:56:10.040 --> 1:56:12.160 Third round round? Boss Jack? 1:56:12.200 --> 1:56:12.800 And I take it off. 1:56:13.000 --> 1:56:15.600 Who is that? I think it was Darian Porter, you said, 1:56:15.600 --> 1:56:19.880 Aldrin the corner corner back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for 1:56:19.960 --> 1:56:24.240 call Aldrick appreciated. Uh. First question was about genty right, Yeah. 1:56:24.280 --> 1:56:26.000 Would you take the trader? Would you take him? If 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:27.160 it's a good trade I'm taking. 1:56:27.160 --> 1:56:28.960 I would take the trades, yep. I would take the 1:56:28.960 --> 1:56:31.280 trade first and then I and then uh maybe think 1:56:31.280 --> 1:56:34.200 about taking gent but I take the trade, yep. And uh. 1:56:34.400 --> 1:56:36.360 Darian Porter really good athlete. 1:56:36.520 --> 1:56:37.400 This is the kind of guy. 1:56:37.400 --> 1:56:39.640 If they they don't need a boundary corner, that's like 1:56:39.680 --> 1:56:42.160 the lowest position in need. But if they, if they 1:56:42.200 --> 1:56:44.600 hadn't signed Carlton Davis, you guys would have been sick 1:56:44.720 --> 1:56:46.200 of hearing me talk about Darian Porter. 1:56:46.400 --> 1:56:48.000 You know how ages I am. 1:56:48.320 --> 1:56:49.480 He's gonna be twenty four year old. 1:56:49.560 --> 1:56:52.440 Okay, reminds me of Quall and a lot though a 1:56:52.440 --> 1:56:54.760 little bit of trek walling in his game. How long 1:56:54.840 --> 1:56:56.560 it took that guy to care to matter? 1:56:56.640 --> 1:56:56.840 Though? 1:56:57.120 --> 1:57:01.320 Like one, no, no, Darian, Like this is the only 1:57:01.400 --> 1:57:03.520 year that he started full time in Iowa. That's true. 1:57:03.600 --> 1:57:07.000 Like he he literally he's the definition of like I mean, 1:57:07.040 --> 1:57:09.320 did block three punts while these planets I am a 1:57:09.320 --> 1:57:11.520 man amongst boys, like I am twenty four years old 1:57:11.560 --> 1:57:14.640 playing against nineteen year olds, and they shows. That's the 1:57:14.640 --> 1:57:17.040 only thing I'd worry about. With Darien Porter, I didn't. 1:57:17.080 --> 1:57:18.840 He also didn't play a ton of man to man, 1:57:18.720 --> 1:57:21.120 and I at Iowa. He's more of like a zone corner. Yeah, 1:57:21.120 --> 1:57:21.920 but really really good. 1:57:22.040 --> 1:57:23.440 He's gonna go to Vegas and be nasty. 1:57:23.520 --> 1:57:27.680 Yeah, a good good comp to Grequelle. Craig is in 1:57:28.680 --> 1:57:31.520 Ohio but originally from Providence. What's up, Craig? 1:57:32.640 --> 1:57:33.360 Hey, how you doing? 1:57:33.440 --> 1:57:33.680 Hey? 1:57:35.120 --> 1:57:35.440 All right? 1:57:35.520 --> 1:57:39.840 So I have twoth eggs that quit. First thing is 1:57:39.840 --> 1:57:42.440 is I'll be in from Rhode isowad not having a 1:57:42.520 --> 1:57:45.240 college man living out here in Ohio. That's all I 1:57:45.280 --> 1:57:45.959 hear about. 1:57:45.800 --> 1:57:47.080 All day long, and it's annoying. 1:57:48.800 --> 1:57:55.000 Nomber two. I hear everybody's case against Will Campbell. But 1:57:55.040 --> 1:57:58.040 my thing I always come back to is I always 1:57:58.040 --> 1:58:00.280 say that he only gave up four stacks. So what 1:58:00.360 --> 1:58:02.360 is the case for him being a guard if he's 1:58:02.400 --> 1:58:03.720 only given up four sacks? 1:58:05.000 --> 1:58:08.000 Yeah? Thanks for the call, Craig. I think this in general, 1:58:08.120 --> 1:58:09.960 and this is not a Will Campbell take. This is 1:58:10.000 --> 1:58:16.080 a general take. I don't really believe that the production base, 1:58:16.160 --> 1:58:19.840 like the charting metrics for college tackles, I don't think 1:58:19.840 --> 1:58:22.720 that that holds much weight going to the NFL because 1:58:22.760 --> 1:58:25.600 so much of that is fluffed up by screens and 1:58:25.840 --> 1:58:28.560 RPOs and quick game throws and all this kind of 1:58:28.560 --> 1:58:31.720 stuff that doesn't necessarily happen at the same volume as 1:58:31.720 --> 1:58:35.080 the at the NFL level. Like armand Membu gave up 1:58:35.120 --> 1:58:38.960 eight pressures the entire season last year at Missouri eight 1:58:39.400 --> 1:58:43.280 all hurries, no sacks, no quarterback hits. But how many 1:58:43.440 --> 1:58:48.720 of those dropbacks were screens? How many of those dropbacks 1:58:48.720 --> 1:58:52.400 were bootlegs? How many of those dropbacks were RPOs? Right, 1:58:52.480 --> 1:58:56.160 So a lot of those metrics are not exactly We 1:58:56.240 --> 1:58:59.360 don't see a ton of that being predictive like that. 1:58:59.440 --> 1:59:02.640 That is, this guy gave up x amount of saxon college, 1:59:02.720 --> 1:59:05.440 so he's going to be a good pro. The data 1:59:05.480 --> 1:59:07.920 would tell you that it's not necessarily predictive like that, 1:59:08.280 --> 1:59:09.960 So you just have to keep that stuff in mind. 1:59:10.240 --> 1:59:13.920 All right, last call here, Cuba is in Atlanta. What's up, Cuba? 1:59:15.720 --> 1:59:19.600 Hey, I wanted to act about jalend. Nobody heres asked 1:59:19.640 --> 1:59:21.840 the vote or said what kind of gets shorter? In 1:59:21.920 --> 1:59:25.280 the ready has so we'll that affect him. We will 1:59:25.320 --> 1:59:27.200 go to affect a steam on what they do tomorrow. 1:59:27.720 --> 1:59:31.080 I think that all right, Thanks for the call, so 1:59:31.240 --> 1:59:34.640 Jalen Polk. I think we're all in the boat, at 1:59:34.720 --> 1:59:39.960 least me personally. I guess I should say of expecting 1:59:39.960 --> 1:59:42.840 the worst and hoping for the best, Like I hope 1:59:42.880 --> 1:59:46.120 that he can that last year was you know, an aberration, 1:59:46.240 --> 1:59:49.040 and he breaks out this year, and I hope that 1:59:49.120 --> 1:59:52.720 it works out. I do. Uh. There's not a lot 1:59:52.760 --> 1:59:57.840 of precedent for a receiver being really uh, non contributor 1:59:57.920 --> 2:00:00.720 as a rookie and then suddenly block coming into a 2:00:00.720 --> 2:00:04.000 really productive player. There just isn't there's guys that have 2:00:04.120 --> 2:00:06.800 done it. You know, DeVante Adams is always kind of 2:00:06.840 --> 2:00:09.960 the poster child for this. But DeVante Adams put up 2:00:10.000 --> 2:00:13.120 some numbers as a rookie, like he had some production. 2:00:13.920 --> 2:00:16.280 You hear a lot about like the five hundred yard club, 2:00:16.320 --> 2:00:18.040 Like if you hit five hundred yards as a rookie, 2:00:18.080 --> 2:00:20.320 you're on your way to being a really good NFL player. 2:00:20.880 --> 2:00:22.720 There's just not a ton of president for guys that 2:00:22.800 --> 2:00:25.760 have caught as few passes as Jalen Polk going on 2:00:25.880 --> 2:00:29.080 to be productive NFL players. I think at this point 2:00:29.320 --> 2:00:32.440 you can safely say Jalen Polk's ceiling is probably like 2:00:32.560 --> 2:00:33.640 on an NFL roster. 2:00:33.880 --> 2:00:35.960 Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think they need a 2:00:36.040 --> 2:00:37.680 rush to move on from them. Bring him into camp, 2:00:37.720 --> 2:00:39.680 see where he's at. But yeah, I don't think he 2:00:39.720 --> 2:00:41.879 necessarily cement many plans or anything. 2:00:42.040 --> 2:00:44.680 Yep, absolutely, all right, that does it for today's show. 2:00:44.960 --> 2:00:46.760 I wish we could get to all these emails, but 2:00:46.800 --> 2:00:48.640 we'd be here for another hour and we just can't 2:00:48.680 --> 2:00:51.640 swing that. So I apologize to all the emailers that 2:00:51.720 --> 2:00:54.040 emailed in and we weren't able to get to you. 2:00:54.120 --> 2:00:57.720 But we'll be back next week and we'll recap the draft. 2:00:57.720 --> 2:00:59.880 It will be a big show. 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