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Speaker 1: Some of the content of Patriots This is the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar and Alex Barth

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Speaker 1: Blazar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined us.

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Speaker 1: Always buy an our bar cap match. Here is Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barr. Would you have the five positions?

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Speaker 2: Here we go in pior, defensive.

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Speaker 1: Line, ABS, linebackers, cornerback and safety. No, we know, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes we do. They're gonna take a kicker, so let's

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Speaker 1: hold us. Last week they didn't take an hour and

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Speaker 1: a half to get through all the different positions.

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Speaker 3: I don't carry's they were doing kickers.

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Speaker 1: Can you feel the excitement? Thirty six hours to go?

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Speaker 1: Are you pumped up? Alex Barth? Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft? Oh yeah, he's ready.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the.

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Speaker 1: Most excitement I can muster. That was pretty goot set up.

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Speaker 1: We're back to like, we're back.

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Speaker 4: To we're series.

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Speaker 1: We mean business today it is a thirty six ish

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Speaker 1: called thirty eight hours out from the NFL Draft, the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the first round of the NFL Draft, and uh,

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Speaker 1: this is uh, this is exciting that hey is in

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Speaker 1: the barn for the most part, I always like, there's

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Speaker 1: always like two or three guys at the very end

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Speaker 1: that I just feel like I gotta I get an

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Speaker 1: itch and I'm like, I gotta do these guys something.

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Speaker 1: My gut is telling me that they might take one

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Speaker 1: of these guys. But in general, we're getting closer to

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft finally, thankfully, how we can start with

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Speaker 1: stop with all the pre draft nonsense and actually get

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Speaker 1: into the players that they actually pick. The Patriots actually pick,

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Speaker 1: I should say, so that is really exciting. But before

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Speaker 1: we find out who they are actually going to pick,

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Speaker 1: over the next three days, we have to do one

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Speaker 1: more draft preview shows. So we didn't do enough draft

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Speaker 1: preview shows over the last four months, so we have

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Speaker 1: to do a whole nother one for the next two hours.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into some of the news that's come out,

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Speaker 1: and I will say it's a now pretty well known

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Speaker 1: line by Bill Belichick in his media year that these

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Speaker 1: twenty four to forty eight hours are when some of

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Speaker 1: the real information about the draft starts to come out.

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Speaker 1: You know, we hear a lot of smoking mirrors for

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Speaker 1: months in the lead up to the draft, but now

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Speaker 1: that the teams have set the board and they kind

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Speaker 1: of know what their expectations are. Heading in we start

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Speaker 1: to hear some real information. We also start to hear

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Speaker 1: a lot more about potential trades at this point. This

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Speaker 1: is when again the board is set, the trades start

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Speaker 1: to come in, they start to field calls. So we'll

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Speaker 1: get to all of that good stuff as well, but

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Speaker 5: All this business, it's just about a lot of its

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Speaker 5: just being in the right place at the right time.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly what it was. So I want to get

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Speaker 1: into some of the news. I also want to you know,

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Speaker 1: get into some of the Patriots specific news, but also

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Speaker 1: some of just the general first round NFL news here

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Speaker 1: that's starting to trickle out as well, And we also

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Speaker 1: are going to share my first time I have not

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Speaker 1: put a top ten mock draft out, so this will

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Speaker 1: be my first top ten mock draft, so I also

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Speaker 1: want to put that out here today as well. And Alex,

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Speaker 1: I know you've done a couple, but this will be

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Speaker 1: your your final top ten mock draft. Now you're going

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Speaker 1: to share here on the show today, So that's the

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Speaker 1: agenda of course, all your calls and Emil as well.

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Speaker 1: But I want to start off the top with just

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Speaker 1: sort of the feeling right now around the Patriots. I

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Speaker 1: think the overwhelming favorite is Will Campbell with the fourth

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Speaker 1: going to do tomorrow night, those are seem to be

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Speaker 1: your two options. I would say that the dark horses

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Speaker 1: is Ash and Genty. Right, those three guys, I feel

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Speaker 1: this hour, Diana Russini, just about an hour ago, she is,

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Speaker 1: you know, publishing reports about all of the different teams

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Speaker 1: Patriots taking calls for the fourth overall pick. Now, there's

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Speaker 1: a big difference between taking calls and actually having real

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I go back to last year Hard Knocks. We saw

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Speaker 1: and it was, yeah, like, unless you're gonna give us

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Speaker 1: and pick Drake May and we feel good about taking

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. So sometimes those calls are short lived. But

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Speaker 1: I still ultimately come back to the best case scenario

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Speaker 1: for the Patriots is obviously the trade down and still

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Speaker 1: get their guy, right. I don't know if that's realistic

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Speaker 1: in multiple fronts. I don't know if Will Campbell will

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Speaker 1: still be there. I don't know if the trade down

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Speaker 1: Membu or even Kelvin Banks. I feel like that's a

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Speaker 1: pretty good way to go about this right now, at

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Speaker 1: this hour. How do you feel about where the Patriots

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, a trade down would be great.

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Speaker 5: I've said this, although the one thing I don't want

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Speaker 5: to see them do. And there was a report I

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Speaker 5: think it was Jordan Schultz this morning. I'll see if

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Speaker 5: I can find it that was basically like the teams

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Speaker 5: and this was even about the Browns and Giants, who

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Speaker 3: He had said that those calls were I thought it

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Speaker 5: We're coming in for I think the verbigs was seventy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I don't want.

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Speaker 5: To see the Patriots? Do you hear it is Jordan Schultz?

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Speaker 5: Several teams picking in the top ten are opening trading down.

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Speaker 5: The challenge has been finding teams willing to move up.

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Speaker 5: Per sources. From what I'm hearing, there isn't a strong

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Speaker 5: if it means giving up significant value that aligns with

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Speaker 5: traditional charts. As one source put it, quote, the current

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Speaker 5: offers are seventy cents on the dollar. A trade down

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Speaker 5: would be great, especially I think Instill Go one of

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Speaker 3: Trade down be great.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying I don't want it, but what I

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Speaker 1: Sure, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I think there are some people who would be more

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Speaker 5: class overall. Understandable, it's not a great class. They're nervous

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Speaker 5: about this class overall, and they'd rather miss at nine

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Speaker 5: you can tell you yourself you've got something else back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if all.

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Speaker 5: You got back is a third round pick one, you're

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Speaker 1: If you move back.

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Speaker 5: I don't think Campbell's getting to ten. And if he does,

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Speaker 5: what does that say about kind of how he's viewed

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Speaker 5: by the league. So you're still getting a lesser player.

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Speaker 5: Does a third round pick make that much of a

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Speaker 5: Elliot Wolf is here, but for all intents and purposes,

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Speaker 5: it's a new regime. The first selection of the new

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Speaker 5: regime and you're gonna bargain sell it. That's a tough

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Speaker 5: president to set because now you're the organization that gives

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Speaker 5: away draft picks like Halloween candy. So, like, I don't

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Speaker 5: want to see if they get a good trade, I.

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Speaker 1: Want them to take it.

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Speaker 5: And that's ultimately what would be the best case scenario

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Speaker 5: is if they get a good trade. What I don't

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Speaker 5: like they had a trade down because they just weren't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with everything that you just said in

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Speaker 1: And I know that some people are gonna say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you were a Campbell guy the whole time, you didn't

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Speaker 1: want to trade down. No, we've both agreed that, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I just don't think it's going to be there their

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Speaker 5: other people talk me out of it, said it was

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Speaker 5: like because so I put together my last NFL mock

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Speaker 5: and it I usually as you do, usually do too,

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Speaker 5: Like I usually do a trade down mock or trade

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Speaker 5: up or trade down. Yeah, the last few years has

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Speaker 5: is what that scenario might look like. There really wasn't

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Speaker 5: I think it's the Bear coming up from ten because

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Speaker 5: the Bears are in this unique position where they have

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Speaker 5: thirty nine and forty one. I believe it's the last

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Speaker 5: pick to relay from that Bryce Young trade a couple

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they have another, but this has

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Speaker 1: to be towards the end of that.

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Speaker 5: But they have an ext They have the Panthers first

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Speaker 5: be a little more willing to part with that. The

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Speaker 5: deal I had was the Bears go ten the second

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Speaker 5: a future second and the idea behind it basically being

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Speaker 5: and I'll ask I'll pose this to you as a question. Heaven,

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Speaker 5: we talked about the quarterback tax all the time. When

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Speaker 5: teams are trading up, you got to pay more than

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Speaker 5: the pick is worth because it's quarterbacks that valuable.

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Speaker 1: Of a position.

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Speaker 5: In this draft where there really aren't any quarterbacks and

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Speaker 5: there's just such a lack of blue chip talent ash

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Speaker 5: and Genty albeit the fact he's a running back. Is

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Speaker 5: there going to be a blue chip talent, blue chip tax, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In this draft.

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Speaker 5: And maybe it's not as much as the quarterback tax,

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Speaker 5: but is the way the Patriots maximize ash values gent

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Speaker 5: him as bait to flip a trade.

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Speaker 1: So it's exactly where I wanted to go next. So

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Speaker 5: When you have your nerd guy at five with the

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Speaker 1: Regardless of what he wants to take.

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Speaker 3: Ye, the Schrager Mak's usually pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Those people are saying it's Genty. And the other team

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Speaker 5: The Lions did it because they had success in doing it.

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Speaker 5: He's sorry, he's on a two year deal, but it's

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Speaker 5: there's an out after this year, So Swift's gone after

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Speaker 1: I think some of the.

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Speaker 3: That is the offensive line to justify it.

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Speaker 5: The Bears, I think you can make an argument for

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Speaker 1: If they take him. If you take a running this

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Speaker 1: you say because not like but that's what they all do.

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Speaker 5: What if the math is telling him to take Chencey.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm gonna leave that.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he's just maybe he created a new formula that

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Speaker 1: Look at running backs, and that the the entire discourse

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Speaker 5: Well, I think if you're taking ash and Genty that high,

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Speaker 1: don't think that Ashon Denty at five eight, two hundred

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Speaker 5: For him, create a new data, because that's what these

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, But for the Patriots, as it pertains to

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Speaker 3: So with Campbell, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Not the Jags, this case to be made.

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Speaker 5: The Lions could wow, oh my god, the Bears, No,

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Speaker 5: for me if Campbell go, You could sell me on

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Speaker 1: whoever in the tackle group falls. Whether it's probably more

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Speaker 1: likely Membo or Banks, but Campbell, Membo, Banks, I think

438
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: you have to put Jalen Walker in that conversation, especially

439
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 1: with all the buzz that has connected him to the Patriots.

440
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 1: Although I kind of feel like Jalen Walker's floor might

441
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 1: be Carolina at eight. There's a lot of very.

442
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 5: Much a panther, But as he pointed out to me,

443
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 5: like that could also be a spot for Ted or

444
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,360
Speaker 5: Matthew Golden Town.

445
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and uh, and then I think Ted McMillan

446
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: is the other guy. Yeah. And I feel like as

447
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: we've come full circle here, Banks and mcmill and are

448
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 1: starting to some of the talk about them really falling

449
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: in this draft is starting to subside, and people are

450
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: putting them more in the categories that they were back

451
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: in January when this all began, which I think is

452
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 1: probably where the most accurate, Like they're probably in the

453
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Speaker 1: ten to fifteen range of this class. And because one's

454
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: the number one wide receiver taking Travis Hunter out of

455
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 1: this right, and the other is a premium position player

456
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 1: at left tackle, you know you could talk yourself into

457
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: either one of those guys at the back end of

458
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Speaker 1: the top ten.

459
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 5: You just worry like if those if all three of

460
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 5: the tackles go, do you trade down again targeting Simmons

461
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 5: or Connolly. Now you forced into a trade up, and

462
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 5: you're in a bad situation where teams know how desperate

463
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 5: you are, because like you might, especially if all three

464
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 5: of those guys going top ten. Arianta Ersery's not making

465
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 5: it thirty eight, and if Josh Simmons makes it thirty eight,

466
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 5: it meets his knees made of paper mache.

467
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Speaker 1: At this point, you can't take them. Yeah, so you're

468
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: really playing.

469
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 5: With fire at that point. The ultimate big picture. I

470
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 5: can't hammer this enough. By I will give them the

471
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 5: flexibility that maybe Ursery falls to thirty eight, maybe or

472
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 5: falls today two when they trade up a little bit, right,

473
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 5: what time do they start on Friday night?

474
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 3: Seven o'clock?

475
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, if we don't know by eight thirty on Friday,

476
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 5: let's call it. If we don't know by eight thirty

477
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 5: on Friday, who the Patriots starting left tackle is, that

478
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 5: is a major, major, major problem. That is the one

479
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 5: thing that cannot happen. Trade up, trade down. Whatever, you're

480
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 5: gonna take a tackle at four, you're gonna move up

481
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 5: and take one. However you're gonna do it when the

482
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 5: top forty picks wrap up. You're not getting a starting

483
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 5: tackle after that, You're not.

484
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hold on on that because I did want

485
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Speaker 1: to bring that up because I that was some the

486
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: more other reporting that's also coming out. I want to

487
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: talk trades, really, you know, one more trade scenario and

488
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: then I want to talk about that and kind of

489
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: segue into that. So the other piece of information this

490
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: is from Adam Schefter, was a lifted list of teams

491
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: that would be willing to trade down from their current

492
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: pick in the first round. Now, there are a couple

493
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: of teams in the top ten that Eas said would

494
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: be willing to trade down, you know, Carolina, Jacksonville, teams

495
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: like that. But I'm ruling those teams out for what

496
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: I want to bring up here. The teams that want

497
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: to trade down that are a little bit further down

498
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: in the first round that I find interesting from a

499
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: Patriots perspective. Seattle at eighteen, it is probably a little high.

500
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay at nineteen and it's a little high. Pittsburgh

501
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: at twenty one. They're not trading down or taking a quarterback.

502
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: And Minnesota at twenty four that's the one. So if

503
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: you're looking to trade back into the first round from

504
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: thirty eight, and it kind of couples with your tackle

505
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 1: yeh spiel just now, it does feel like Minnesota at

506
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: twenty four is the sweet spot they have?

507
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: Is it four or five picks.

508
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: I think it's five Minnesota.

509
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they have.

510
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: Five picks and they have a lot of older players.

511
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: They have a lot of players on expensive contracts and

512
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: have a good team. Quarterback isn't one and they're trying

513
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: to well but there they have a good team.

514
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 5: But like they need to strengen out their russ. They

515
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 5: have four picks. They have twenty four, ninety seven, one

516
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 5: thirty nine and one eighty seven.

517
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's it.

518
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: So you're you might be able to get some value there.

519
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 5: Maybe you can get away like the trade I look

520
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 5: at you're going up to twenty four. Rewind to twenty twenty.

521
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 5: It was twenty three for seventy one and or twenty three,

522
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 5: sorry for thirty seven and seventy one. That was the

523
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 5: Kyle Duggart trade back for the Patriots, So that was

524
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 5: twenty three. Vikings have twenty four, thirty seven and seventy one.

525
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 5: You have thirty eight and sixty nine. Can you swing

526
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 5: that into thirty eight one oh six because the Vikings

527
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 5: are just so desperate to add draft picks.

528
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, I don't know, maybe seventy seven. I don't

529
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to give up a top one.

530
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: You probably are.

531
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe there's a way to do a pick swap

532
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 5: or something in there, but like, that's the sweet spot

533
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 5: to me, and I think you'll probably be able to get.

534
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: A tackle at that point.

535
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 5: You might not get to choose, but you should be

536
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 5: able to get a tackle. That that's the sweet spot

537
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 5: to trade up. And then the other one for me

538
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 5: is if they're not feeling as aggressive, those teams late

539
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 5: in the first are always looking to trade back. So

540
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 5: this is like twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine to

541
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 5: thirty Ravens, Lions, Commanders Bills. Right, there's a trade a

542
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 5: couple of years ago between the Jaguars and the uh

543
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 5: Bucks that was twenty seven for thirty three, one oh

544
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 5: eight and one eighty. So it's a little different because

545
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 5: you have thirty eight not thirty three, but maybe one

546
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 5: eighty becomes like one forty four, and now you don't

547
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 5: have to give up any top one hundred picks to

548
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 5: move back into the first round. You can't do that

549
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 5: for twenty four. You're gonna have to do that for

550
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 5: a later pick, and hope one of those teams that

551
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 5: was in conference championship games will to move out the

552
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 5: highest you can maybe do that as the Rams of

553
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 5: twenty six. But if you want to tackle, the other

554
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 5: thing to consider, the Texans are probably a tackle team

555
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 5: of twenty five. They could be their an offensive line

556
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 5: team for sure. This could also be that thing where

557
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 5: if you took a ten and then you want to

558
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 5: grab a guard, the Texans are an offensive line team.

559
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 5: The Rams might be an offensive line team at twenty six,

560
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 5: and then you might get Obviously, the Chiefs of thirty

561
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 5: one are a tackle team, so there are some teams

562
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 5: in there you may need to jump if you want

563
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 5: to get a certain guy.

564
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: So I feel like this is this is coupled with

565
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the other reporting that kind of makes

566
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: this point even more important from a Patriots perspective, which

567
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: is the drop off that tackle. Yeah, and this is

568
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: something we've been talking about. It's reflected in all of

569
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: our you know, pre draft coverage of this of this

570
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: draft and of this class. There's really let's call it six,

571
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: but it's really five.

572
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 3: Is five in a pretty expensive lottery ticket?

573
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Josh Simmons, Yeah, right, So we're talking Campbell,

574
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: Membu Banks, Connerly, Ursery, Simmons, right in some sort of order,

575
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: put them in whatever order you want it in terms

576
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: of talent, but those six tackles are really the only

577
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: starting caliber left tackles in this draft. And if you

578
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: miss out on one of those six guys, you are

579
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: not getting a rookie starter.

580
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 5: You are getting somebody who at best is competing with Viderian.

581
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: Low and is in a developmental phase of his career.

582
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: You're getting a Anthony Belton, a Charles Grant. You are

583
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: trying to take Ozzie Trapilo and seeing if he can

584
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: play on the left.

585
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: Side like you were John Rivers, Jan Travis.

586
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: Right, you're talking about taking guys that are projects. For

587
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: the most part, Tapillo is better than a project. But

588
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: he's a right tackle. Right.

589
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 5: It's not just we will break it down. We'll talk

590
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 5: about day one starters and year one starters. Day one

591
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 5: guy comes in right away, starts year one is you know,

592
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 5: maybe he's not gonna start week one of his rookie year,

593
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 5: but you can start eventually.

594
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

595
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any year one starters after ur Sery.

596
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 5: You're talking about guys that are long term, multi year projects.

597
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: So if the Patriots, if you're of the thought and

598
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: full disclosure, I think Will Campbell is the best player

599
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: on the board at four, and I think you should

600
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: just take Will Campbell. So I'm right there with Will Campbell.

601
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: But I hear it a lot. And if you're the

602
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: thought that he's not quote unquote the best player available,

603
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: and you're more or less reaching on a position of

604
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: need by taking Campbell. If you prefer you know, Genty,

605
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: I prefer Genty, but he's a running back, right, but

606
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: to him inside, you know Jalen Walker, Mason Graham, you know,

607
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren, whoever, if you prefer somebody else at that spot.

608
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: The only way that you can realistically come out of

609
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: this and at least have our approval. I think I

610
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: don't have to talk for you or speak for you,

611
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: but based off what you've said to have our approval

612
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: of this draft is if you trade back into the

613
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: first round to get the tackle. You cannot come away

614
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: from this draft without an answer at left tackle.

615
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not gonna fault them if they get

616
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: the guy at thirty eight, but you have to get that.

617
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: Yes, if they come out.

618
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: Of this draft out a left tackle, it's bad draft, right, So.

619
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: They need somebody out of that group of six and

620
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: I we both kind of feel like it should be

621
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: the group of five without Simmons.

622
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 5: I like, And let me clear about this, I like Simmons.

623
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 5: I know I probably came off as somebody who didn't

624
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 5: like him as a player earlier, and I apologize for that. Yeah,

625
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 5: I like him as a player. And I know that

626
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 5: the reporting out there right now is like he's healing well.

627
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 5: It's always the next time you hear pre draft that

628
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 5: a players not doing well injury wise will be the

629
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: first time, right, But I I the Malcolm Mitchell komp

630
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 5: is there for a reason. Maybe I should use Malcolm

631
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 5: Mitchell instead of DOMINICQ Keasley. Yeah, because I think he's

632
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 5: a good player. But like if you get eight to

633
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 5: ten really good games out of him, but then he's

634
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 5: hurt and he just never really becomes a regular NFL player,

635
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 5: That's what I worry about, And that would be a

636
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 5: bad pick. That would be a worse pick than taking

637
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 5: a guy who moves inside of guard because at least

638
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 5: that guy's playing, which I don't think is gonna happen

639
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 5: with Campbell by the way, to be clear, but like

640
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 5: I yeah, you said it very well. You can't miss

641
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: and to people say, well, you know, Arianta Air series

642
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 5: projected at thirty eight. You don't need to worry about

643
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 5: it too much. And I don't think Connolly is going

644
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 5: to go in the first round. Go back to last year.

645
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 5: Here is a good tackle class with a ton of depth,

646
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 5: and we were sitting here saying, this is great. They

647
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 5: can get Drake May, they may even be able to

648
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 5: get a receiver, and still with their third pick, get

649
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 5: a starting tackle.

650
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: And what happened.

651
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 5: These guys all went around around plus earlier than we

652
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 5: thought they would. Because there's there are less than thirty

653
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 5: two human beings on the planet. They can play left

654
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 5: tackle at a starting caliber level in the NFL less

655
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Speaker 5: than thirty two human beings on the planet. If you

656
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Speaker 5: have a chance to get one consensus boards, be damned,

657
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: you're gonna take them if you need them.

658
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Speaker 1: So URSE three might be projected a forty eight. Right now.

659
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Speaker 5: If these guys start to go right, let's say you

660
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 5: trade back. Campbell goes I could even see him going

661
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Speaker 5: to the Jaguars, right, Campbell goes five, Member goes seven

662
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 5: to the Jets, Calvin Banks goes in the top twelve, right,

663
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Speaker 5: or maybe fourteen. You have the Niners at eleven. They

664
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Speaker 5: need to tackle now they're flying. You think the chief

665
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Speaker 5: Connory goes to the Texans. You think the Chiefs are

666
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 5: gonna sit down thirty one and say, man with Patrick

667
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 5: Mahomes blind side's a mess. But Ariana, hey he's you know,

668
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: he's a projected second round pick.

669
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: We should probably take somebody else. No, they're gonna take Ursery. Yeah,

670
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna.

671
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: Take them because you're not getting a guy if not.

672
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 5: So this could actually be an interesting exercise.

673
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: We we you just saw this last year, like right,

674
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: the tackle run happened last year. You know, Tyler, can.

675
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: You pull up I just want to try something for

676
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 5: an experiment. Can you pull up like the list of

677
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 5: tackles that were taken last year? Yeah, we just need

678
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 5: or pull or pull up the mock draft database, pull

679
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 5: up last year's tackle list. I'll pull up the tackles

680
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 5: from last year. I just want to see something I've

681
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: been meaning to do.

682
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 6: This.

683
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: We'll do it live on the air. We're doing this

684
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: live on the Yeah, you see, you see what I'm

685
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: going for. We're getting the sausage made here. Yes, so

686
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: I can't type on this smaller keyboard though, So this

687
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: this could be a problem.

688
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: Okay, fine, I'll just do it all right. So Joel

689
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: last year was seven on the consensus board.

690
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Let me do it on my phone.

691
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 5: On your phone, okay, Census, you have the consensus board

692
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 5: from last year.

693
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: I just just just and again. We're doing this live.

694
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 5: So maybe this won't work out for me, but I

695
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 5: think this is going to prove my point if I

696
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: remember correctly. So Joe All went fifth last year. Where

697
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 5: was he on the consensus board last year?

698
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: Seven? Seven? Okay, so he went high and expected JC

699
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: Latham he was twelve on the consensus board. He went seventh.

700
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: Ol Lufashanham eleventh and he went all right, that's a draw.

701
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 5: Fuanga thirteenth, he went fourteenth, Right there. Marius Mims twenty first,

702
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 5: went eighteenth.

703
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: Here we go. Jordan Morgan thirty fifth, went twenty fifth.

704
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Tyler Geyton twenty nine.

705
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: That's a draw.

706
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul forty four, All right.

707
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 5: He went fifty five. He went a little lower, but

708
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: people were low on Patrick Paul, Blake Fisher seventy eight,

709
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: fifty nine. Roger Rosengarten sixty four, sixty two, okay, that's close.

710
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 5: Kingsley thirty seven. He later was ranked yeah, he went later.

711
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 5: Caiten Wallace, we know when he went sixty eight a

712
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 5: metagi I think was outside of the top one hundred.

713
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: He went seventy five.

714
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: Del Mar Glaze, if I remember correctly, was somewhere in

715
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 5: the one fifties. He went seventy seven.

716
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then uh, you know, depending on where he plays.

717
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: But Troy Fottenu from Washington when he was eighteen on

718
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: the consensus board, I mean some people see him as

719
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: a guard.

720
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Speaker 5: Oh he's probably not. I have the the just the

721
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 5: list of tackles up. He must be included.

722
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Speaker 1: But the point being, like the top tackles, it's the

723
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Speaker 1: day two stuff might be to get a little bit wonky,

724
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: but you know, really the guys that they were hoping

725
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: were We're going to fall to them, were you know

726
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: the guitans, you know, Jordan Morgan potentially like it was.

727
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: And there was that run. Yeah, and there was that run.

728
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: So I s isn't even shallower tackle.

729
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Speaker 5: Right, There's no reason to think that won't happen again.

730
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: If anything, I think the signs point to the run

731
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Speaker 5: being more aggressive.

732
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Speaker 1: I did. This is my biggest fear about this draft

733
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: because I hear people that say they should take the

734
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: best player available at four and then aggressive and try

735
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: to get back into the first round to get the tackle,

736
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: so that you address the needs in the right order,

737
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: right in where the value is on the board. And

738
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Speaker 1: I understand that that's a great in theory. It's great

739
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: when we're all on the PFF mock draft simulator and

740
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: forcing trades right like, it's a great concept, But actually

741
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: going out and executing the concept they found out last

742
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: year was a lot harder than you want it to be.

743
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: And I've said this multiple times, but there's varying reporting

744
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: on whether it was for a receiver or it was

745
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: for a tackle, But there is reporting from multiple outlets

746
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: at this point that they tried to make this trade

747
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: last year. They tried to trade back into the first

748
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: round last year. I think it for a tackle and receiver.

749
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: They tried a few times, and they got rebuffed. They

750
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: got turned down on the trade. So if you get

751
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: through this draft, and let's just say for argument's sake,

752
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: that they take Jalen Walker at four overall because they

753
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: feel like Jalen Walker is the best overall player on

754
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: their board over Will Campbell, and they get to the bottom

755
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: half of the first round, and they called Minnesota, and

756
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: Minnesota doesn't want their deal, and they call, you know, Buffalo,

757
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: who's not gonna trade with them when they wouldn't trade

758
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: with them last year.

759
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: But they roll out because the Bills made a very

760
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 5: stupid trade with the Billings.

761
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: They made the stupid trade with the Chiefs because they trade.

762
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point, yes, fair.

763
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: Kansas City says, well, why would we trade you the

764
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: tackle when we need the tackle. We're just gonna take

765
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: the tackle right again. They try to go all up

766
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: and down. Philadelphia says, nope, we we have a guy

767
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: where Philadelphia, we know how to scout better than anybody else.

768
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: We have a guy we love here. We're taking him right.

769
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: You go all through all this whole scenario, and then

770
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you are left again in a

771
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: position where you don't have a tackle to take at

772
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: your thirty eighth overall pick, and then you're in the

773
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: third round again looking around.

774
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 5: For tackles, and Drake May is getting clocked from the

775
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 5: blind side time and time again for another five months.

776
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that's all the arguments.

777
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 5: Can I just can I just say that, like, because

778
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 5: I think this has gotten lost as we've gotten into

779
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 5: the weeds.

780
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all. It all goes back to Drake May.

781
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 5: For the people that think we just like love Will Campbell,

782
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 5: we think he's his generational prospect, that's not necessarily the case.

783
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: It's about how do you invest in your best asset?

784
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 5: How do you as the Patriots? And that's what makes

785
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 5: him or whoever the top tackle.

786
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: On your board is.

787
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 5: Honestly, if you want to tell me it's armand Membu,

788
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 5: this take still applies to you. Just replace Campbell with Membo.

789
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 5: If you think it's Banks, you can do the same thing.

790
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 5: Hell if you think it's Josh Simmons. Again, I'm worried

791
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 5: about the injury, but fine, I'll have the conversation. It's

792
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 5: all about how do you invest in your best asset.

793
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 5: Some people might tell you that doing that is wide receiver,

794
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 5: but one the wide receivers at the top this draft

795
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 5: or worse than the tackles. And it's that you know

796
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 5: the meme that you love that you definitely originally created

797
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 5: and didn't steal from somebody, the.

798
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Old Joe Burrow Chase. I created this version myself, but

799
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: it was I will admit that it was stolen from

800
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: the Jamar Chase Penny Sewell discourse. But the tech McMillan,

801
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: Will Campbell meme yeah is copywritten to me. There you go.

802
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 5: So but the point being like, that's what this all

803
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 5: comes back and I feel like.

804
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: We've lost sight of that. Yeah, but that's what this

805
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: all comes back to.

806
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 5: How do you what makes him the best pick is

807
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 5: it's what's best for Drake May. And what's best for

808
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 5: Drake May is what's best for the football team. If

809
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 5: there was like an apex receiver in this draft, right,

810
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 5: if Luther Burden had.

811
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: The jump that we thought he was gonna have from twenty.

812
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: Twenty three to Marvin Harrison Junior was in this right,

813
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 5: we might be having a different conversation even though tackle

814
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 5: is a more valuable position, if that guy was like

815
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 5: that much better. Right, But the way this board looks,

816
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 5: getting a left tackle is the best possible thing you

817
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: can do for Drake May at this point. That is

818
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: how you invest in your best asset, and that that's

819
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 5: ultimately what this all comes back to. I'm just not

820
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: taking a pick that helps Drake May the most.

821
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: I think it's extremely risky and right, it's a big

822
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: chance to say we're just gonna trade.

823
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 5: Back exactly, so that that's the point, like you miss

824
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 5: on tackle, not only did you not help Drake May

825
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 5: as much as you can, and you might not help him.

826
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: At all in a way where you really need to

827
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: help him out. So last bit of news here, and

828
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: then I want to do our top ten box and

829
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: then we're going to open the show up to the

830
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: calls in the emails. I promise there's a lot of

831
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: reporting now from multiple sources. Adams are not my sources,

832
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: like multiple reports. Adam Schefter had it, Breer had it,

833
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Schultz had it that Kaishan Boody could

834
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: be available via trade. Now, there's a couple of different

835
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: I guess avenues to look at this. The one that

836
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to is that if they're going

837
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: to trade one of these younger receivers that they currently

838
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: have on the roster, and let's assume they don't want

839
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: to trade Pop Douglas because he's probably the best of

840
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: the group and they don't want to trade him. Between Booty,

841
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: Polk and Baker, there's no doubt that Booty has the

842
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: most value in a trade right. He has proven NFL

843
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: production last year almost six hundred receiving yards. He has

844
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: actual NFL resume as of last year. You're not getting

845
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: anything for Polkan Baker at this point. They they you're

846
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: those are players that you're gonna get a conditional seventh

847
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: round pick because you were gonna cut him anyways like that.

848
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: That that's the type of thing going at There might

849
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: be a little bit of you know, is Kaishan Boody

850
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: of Rabel program guy. You know, I think that that's

851
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: potentially an issue here as well. But when you look

852
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: at it to me, and we've talked a little bit

853
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: about this in the past in terms of the sacrificial

854
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: X receiver in Josh McDaniel's offense, basically just the guy

855
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: that's clearing out coverage on the outside. He's gonna run

856
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of nine routes. He's gonna try to get

857
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: behind the defense. If he does, every once in a

858
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: while he might get targeted. But just like Kaysehan Boody

859
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: last year, you're not talking about a high volume of targets.

860
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: You're you're really running the offense through the z, the slot,

861
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: the tight ends, the running backs like that. That's where

862
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: the offense is going to live in the middle of

863
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: the field, and that's exactly I think what Josh mcdaniels's

864
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: offense has been notoriously, I do think that it's a

865
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: good fit with Drake may and the way he can

866
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: throw the ball through the middle of the field with

867
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: zip and with accuracy and anticipation. So you look at

868
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: the way they want to build the offense. To me,

869
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: Kai Shan Body is a perfectly fine sacrificial X receiver.

870
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: Like if he's the guy that's just gonna run nine

871
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: routes and he's every once in a while he's gonna

872
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: sneak behind Derek Stingley for a forty five yard touchdown

873
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the half, Like, that's what that

874
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: role is for. That role is not for putting a

875
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: star receiver in that role that is going to emerge

876
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: into a high volume player. It could be you could pivot,

877
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: but if they want to build the offense the way

878
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: that they have in the past, that is the role.

879
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: So I am a little bit surprised that they don't

880
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: see a fit in that particular role for Kaishan Boody.

881
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: And I would just say, if you're gonna trade Kishan

882
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Boody and then you're just gonna use a not you know,

883
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: a top fifty pick, let's call it a top seventy

884
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: five pick on an ex receiver. The most likely scenario

885
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: is that you're just going to replace Kaishan Boody with

886
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: a draft pick. Like, maybe you go in it into

887
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: it and you think that there's a little bit more

888
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: ceiling to the player that you're going to draft in

889
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: that role at seventy seven or one oh six or

890
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: whatever the case. Horton, Right, you know, maybe you feel

891
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: like there's a little bit more ceiling, or maybe you

892
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: feel like the guy is a better guy. Right, He's

893
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: just a better football character, dude. But in general, like

894
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: I feel like you're just throwing another dart at it

895
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: being Kaishan Boudi or Jayvon Baker emerging or whatever. I

896
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: would at that point just hold on to Kishan Booty

897
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: into camp and see what he looks like in his

898
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: third training camp now with the Patriots. So I'm a

899
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: little bit surprised that they are so ready potentially to

900
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: move on from Kishan Boody. But I do understand that

901
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: he probably presents the most trade value out of anybody

902
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: in that group. So maybe that's all it is. Maybe

903
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: it's just simply we can't get anything for these other guys,

904
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: but we might actually be able to get a return

905
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: for Keisha on Boody.

906
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

907
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 5: I mean I think they trade anybody if they you know,

908
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 5: if they got the right offer, I wouldn't.

909
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: I don't think that move's coming.

910
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 5: Like before the draft though, that's I bring him in

911
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: a camp, bring everybody in a camp and see what's

912
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 5: going on. You still have that extra roster spot of

913
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 5: Stefan Diggs opens on pup so look, could I.

914
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: See him getting traded.

915
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like them to at least bring him in

916
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: a camp, especially if they get a guy like one

917
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: oh four. Right, Yeah, that's an open competition between that

918
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: guy and Booty. To me, that guy's not a lock

919
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 5: for anything, so I understand seeing what he's worth.

920
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a guy.

921
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: Like you have to keep.

922
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 5: He's not untouchable. No, but I don't think they need

923
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 5: to be in a rush to trade him either.

924
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a nice role for him. And I

925
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: look at this group of X receivers in the draft,

926
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not crazy about any of them, Like

927
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't love I tried all offseason, all draft season

928
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: to find an X to fall in love with, to

929
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: be like, this guy is gonna be my guy in

930
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: the prototype that they need, you know, somebody with some

931
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: size and some speed on the outside. I think Trey

932
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: Harris probably came the closest to being that guy, but

933
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't quite have the top end speed that I

934
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: would really like. But I could see him being this

935
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: type of player and being successful there. Jayden Higgins, I

936
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: just don't think he plays to the athleticism that he

937
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: tested at at the Combine. I don't think he plays

938
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: to a sub four five forty type of guy. I

939
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: think he's more of a mid four to fives guy

940
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: on tape. I don't think he really runs by people

941
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: very much on the outside. That doesn't mean he's going

942
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: to be a bad player. I just don't love him.

943
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't love him, especially at thirty eight, so I

944
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: had a tough time with that. I've kind of come

945
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: around to cash on Booty competing for that X receiver

946
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: spot under the assumption that it's going to be a

947
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: low volume role, like under the assumption that they're really

948
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: not going to feature that spot in the Josh McDaniels offense.

949
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: All Right, so that's where the news stands right now.

950
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: A lot of trade rumors, rumblings things like that about

951
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: draft picks moving, a lot of ash and gent rumblings,

952
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: and that booty trade also coming up in multiple spots.

953
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: Let's do our top ten mocked and now we can

954
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: go pretty quickly through some of these because they're kind

955
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: of mine at least at the top, are pretty chalk.

956
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I feel would I

957
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: do the one I publish or should I just like

958
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: do this live on the air. Whatever you want to do,

959
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: it's your mocker. I don't do the updates we've gotten since. Okay,

960
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna start. Yeah, I'm gonna go cam

961
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 1: Ward at one, yep, Travis Hunter at two, Abdul Carter

962
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: at three.

963
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: I am going to agree with you.

964
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see that changing. I think that that's

965
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: been locked in. I think we're gonna find out, like

966
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: we always do, after the draft, that dad has been

967
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: locked in for like six months.

968
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: Can I give you a tape? Can I give you

969
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: a take?

970
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

971
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: So both those teams obviously will need quarterbacks now, right,

972
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 5: the Browns and the Giants. I think we're both candidates

973
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 5: to trade up. The Browns are the more interesting one

974
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 5: to me because there's two scenarios that are fascinating.

975
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: One they trade up. I think Jalen Milroe has a

976
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: good shot to be a first round pick. Yep.

977
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 5: And Tommy Reeves, who's the ocat in Cleveland, was the

978
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 5: oc at Alabama twenty twenty three when Miller had a

979
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 5: breakout year.

980
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: I could seem like him.

981
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: That's one scenario. You want something that's so Browns it hurts.

982
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 5: So gm Andrew Berry had set after the Colorado Pro

983
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 5: Day watching Travis Hunter Shudur Sanders, man, I wish I

984
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 5: could have them both to the Browns jump the Steelers

985
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 5: at twenty one, take care, take Hunter two drump jump

986
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 5: the Steelers at twenty one.

987
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: And take Shudur Sanders at like eighteen or nineth The Browns. Yeah,

988
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: the Browns. That makes the most sense for them. That

989
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: would be now.

990
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 5: So brown And this is not me saying it would work,

991
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 5: but it would be so brown.

992
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: That that I feel like And it kind of goes

993
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about with the Patriots

994
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: potentially targeting a different player than coming up for the tackle.

995
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: In this from the second round, it's it's trying to

996
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: have your cake and eat it too, it really is.

997
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, well, we know Travis Hunter is a

998
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: much better player, you know, grades out as a much

999
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: better player than Shador Sanders, but we're desperate for the quarterback.

1000
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna take Travis

1001
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: Hunter at two, then we're gonna trade out to twenty,

1002
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: and we're gonna draft sha Door Sanders, and then we're

1003
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna come out of this draft with Travis Hunter and

1004
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders. On the surface, that sounds like an awesome plan.

1005
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: Like everybody in Cleveland would sign up for that plan

1006
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: right now. If I told you with one hundred percent

1007
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: guarantee that they were gonna be able to pull that off,

1008
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: I would just have a ton of reservations, more even

1009
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: more so than I do with the Patriots as a

1010
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: Browns fan that's been scarred for years and years of

1011
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: them screwing up drafts. But they would actually be able

1012
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: to pull something like that, doing.

1013
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 5: Something gimmicky like that. Doesn't that feel like and I think,

1014
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: better quarterback? But doesn't that feel like Man's ellish?

1015
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean it feels it feels like but it

1016
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: also feels so Cleveland. Brown's like Butcher and not be

1017
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: able to do it and not be able to pull

1018
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: it off.

1019
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

1020
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 5: So well, if if the league is as low on

1021
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 5: Shoudar as some reports suggest, some of it is bad,

1022
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 5: then and then the Browns are just trying to fly

1023
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 5: up for him, that would be pretty Browns too.

1024
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: If Shador slides, and I don't want to spend too

1025
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: much time on Shador, but if Shador slides, let's say

1026
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: he slides out of the first round. Yeah. The number

1027
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: one reason I feel like that Shador will slide out

1028
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: of the first round is because of how he handled

1029
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: the process, not because of the film. I think he's

1030
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: a late first round quarterback on film, but he treated

1031
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: himself like he was a top five pick. He didn't

1032
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: throw at the combine. He had a showcase pro day

1033
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: where he threw just like Jay you know, Jenden Daniels,

1034
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: Drake Man, Caleb Williams did last year. He didn't work out,

1035
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: didn't test, he didn't interview particularly well. If you read

1036
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: around about some of the reports about his interviews, and

1037
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sense of entitlement, and you know,

1038
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: just a little bit more entitlement is the best way

1039
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: to put it. He treated himself like he was Caleb

1040
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: Williams and was going to be the number one overall pick.

1041
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: If he had went into the process with some you know,

1042
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: self awareness of what he really was worth in the draft,

1043
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: then I think he would have been a much higher

1044
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: draft pick. But he just hasn't handled the process great.

1045
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: From what everybody is saying, you know, we'll see. Maybe

1046
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: that is the Pittsburgh Steelers trying to put out, you know,

1047
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: all this information as smoke screen to get him to

1048
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: fall down the boord to them at twenty one. So

1049
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: Cam wored Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter. Number four overall, the

1050
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: New England Patriots I have selecting Will Campbell. I think

1051
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: that's just yeah, it's Will Campbell versus the field at

1052
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: this point. Number five the Jacksonville Jaguars. This is where

1053
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: it gets really interesting with the Jaguars. Ideally, and I

1054
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: went back and forth with this, I believe ideally the

1055
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: Jaguars would trade out of this pick, yep, just like

1056
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots would probably ideality at four, I think they

1057
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: would try to trade out. Maybe it's with the Chicago Bears.

1058
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: Maybe those two swap because I think they want different

1059
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: players and they want them to go in the right

1060
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: range of the draft. Right, So the Jacksonville Jaguars, in

1061
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: my mind want Ted McMillan. They're a tech McMillan team.

1062
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: They want Tech McMillan. I think from two angles. One

1063
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: you pair him with Brian Thomas Junior. That's a great

1064
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: one too, tandem for Liam Cohne to work with. The

1065
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: reporting out of Jacksonville is that they want they're targeting

1066
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: touchdowns in this draft, right, They're talking offensive skill play

1067
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: is big. They have the nerd. I don't think the

1068
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: NERD's taking a running back. I'm just gonna stick to that.

1069
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick to that premise. I don't think

1070
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: he's taking a running back. So if you add that

1071
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: all up, Teed McMillan he could profile for Gladstone very

1072
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: similarly to Puka Nikua right where he's not a forty

1073
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: time tester, but he's fast in game. He's fast with

1074
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. He's got great body control,

1075
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: he's got great ball skills, Like there's a lot of

1076
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: Pukah to his game. Yeah, So Jacksonville had five overall

1077
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: unable to make a trade down. Here, I have them

1078
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: taking Teed McMillan.

1079
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: So I'll get a little creative here. I have them

1080
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 5: trading back as well, all of them trading back. I

1081
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 5: think that they put, you know, on the chart, on

1082
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 5: the trade chart, the math tells the nerd to make

1083
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 5: the trade. The Bears move up and get ash and Genty.

1084
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: It's fair. I had that. I went back and forth

1085
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: with that. I think that's the most the sense you

1086
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: know that this trade is coming. I feel like it

1087
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: is out there that there's this big trade coming that

1088
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people have been teasing. And it sounds

1089
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: a lot like that. It could be the two of

1090
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: them swapping there. So right now we have cam Ward, Travis, Hunter, Abdua,

1091
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: Carter Will Campbell as the top four. I have Tech

1092
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: McMillan five to the Jaguars. You have Ashon denty five

1093
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: to the Bears in a trade down with Jacksonville or

1094
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: trade up with Jacksonville. Six. Overall, this one's a wildcard

1095
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: to me a little bit too, especially if Genty goes

1096
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: at five. I think it's between armand Membu and Mason Graham.

1097
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: I think both those guys have been linked to Vegas enough.

1098
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: I went with armand Membu here. I just feel like

1099
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: they are going to want to build in the trenches.

1100
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: You get Colton Miller. I think they'll satisfy Colton Miller.

1101
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: They'll figure it out with him. Armond Membu's your right tackle,

1102
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: Colton Miller's your left tackle. Get back to Pete Carroll,

1103
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: ground and pound offense with a good offensive line. Armond

1104
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: Membu six overall to the Raiders can have some fun

1105
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: with this one. Now.

1106
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think this is what's gonna happen. I'm

1107
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 5: just throw a snary out for you. Tom Brady's in charge.

1108
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: He saw for years and years and years what not

1109
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 5: investing in the wide receiver position does to a quarterback. Yep, right,

1110
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 5: Pete Carroll's in charge. He wants to throw the ball

1111
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 5: around the yard. And Gino Smith, who's got a good

1112
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 5: deep ball. I'm not talking about Tet McMillan.

1113
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: Evan, Matthew Golden.

1114
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he stole my thunder.

1115
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about? Yeah?

1116
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 5: Sixteen years ago, Michael Crabtree was the consensus top receiver

1117
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 5: in the draft. Everybody thought he was going high, he

1118
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 5: was gonna be a top five pick. He was far

1119
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 5: and away the number one player on the board at

1120
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 5: that position. The Raiders were the first team to take

1121
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 5: a wide receiver. Did they take Michael Crabtree. No, they

1122
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 5: took who Evan Darius Hayward Bay because he was faster

1123
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 5: from the grave. From the grave. Now, look, I don't

1124
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 5: think Teed McMillan is Michael Crabtree, but it's Crabtree and

1125
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 5: every that was a shocking pick at the time. It's

1126
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: Crabtree Hayward Bay two two point zero. The Raiders make

1127
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 5: Matthew Golden wide receiver one at pick six.

1128
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so because he is fast, so I get Matthew.

1129
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: I have Matthew Golden take here in a second. Okay,

1130
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: But so we're Ward Hunter, Carter Campbell, Genty Golden for you.

1131
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm McMillan, Membo Becle. I'm shounding fun with this. I

1132
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: know this is but I'm serious.

1133
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: Mine serious because I haven't published why I published three.

1134
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: So you can check those out. Number seven to the

1135
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: New York Jets. So you're the New York Jets, and

1136
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: I love this for the Jets as a Patriots guy.

1137
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: You're the New York Jets. The two top tackles are

1138
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: gone you're you're perfectly fit. Right tackle is gone right

1139
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: because he just got taken by the Las Vegas Raiders

1140
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: at six. Overall with Membo, there's also a lot of

1141
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: scuttle boat with the Jets and Tyler Warren. And the

1142
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: Jets have Garrett Wilson, they have Breise Hall, but they

1143
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: don't really have a second fiddle to Garrett Wilson in

1144
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: the passing game. Tyler Warren makes sense. It helps both

1145
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: of their other offensive assets. He's a great blocker and

1146
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: he's a great pass catcher. He's a clean prospect for

1147
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: a newer regime to take. Aaron Glenn's like one of

1148
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: those coaches that you know, he's kind of like Dan Campbell.

1149
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: He wants to be tough and physical and you know,

1150
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: build a bully of a football team. They can't get Membo.

1151
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: I have the Jets taking Tyler Warren at seven.

1152
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I still have Membo on the board. He's

1153
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 5: the obvious pick, he's the clear pick.

1154
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: It's the Jets.

1155
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not going to do that.

1156
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 5: So I'm kind of attempted to go Mason Grahame here.

1157
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 5: The Jets don't need him at all. But Aaron Glenn's

1158
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 5: gonna want a defensive player. He's the best defensive player

1159
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 5: on the board. But I'll have them going Tyler Warren

1160
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 5: as well.

1161
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler Warren makes a lot of sense for them,

1162
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: which I if you're a Patriots fan, I think that

1163
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: you're fine with them getting Tyler Warren number eight as

1164
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. This to me, I think is one

1165
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: of the bigger surprise picks I have in my top ten.

1166
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: When I look at the Carolina Panthers and I texted

1167
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: you the screenshot of their wide receiver depth chart right now,

1168
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: it's not good that the worst wide receiver room in

1169
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: the NFL. Now that the Patriots have added Stefon Diggs,

1170
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: I can safely say that is the worst wide receiver

1171
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: room in the NFL. It's Xavier Lagett, a thirty something

1172
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: year old Adam Feelin is in there right like. It

1173
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: is not good. And beyond that, I just can't see

1174
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: Carolina going into next season with that being their wide

1175
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: receiver depth chart. It's just not good enough on any level.

1176
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: So with the eighth overall picked, the Carolina, Carolina Panthers

1177
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: select Matthew Golden from Texas, I just think that it

1178
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense for them to add another

1179
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: offensive playmaker. They need to add receivers. Tech McMillan's already

1180
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: off the board in my mock, so they can't take

1181
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: Tech McMillan. When a guy runs the sub four three forty,

1182
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: even if he doesn't play to the sub four three

1183
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: forty on tape, teams just fall over themselves for those

1184
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: types of players. There's a lot of smoke here for

1185
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Walker being a Carolina Panther. Maybe that's the other

1186
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: pick here, but I'm going Matthew Golden because I look

1187
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: at that Carolina offense and I say, this is not good.

1188
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: This is not NFL caliber, Like you have to add

1189
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: something to this group.

1190
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 5: I'll go Teed McMillan say everything you just said, them

1191
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 5: needing a receiver.

1192
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: But I SI love McMillan on the board. Yep, all right.

1193
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: Number nine the New Orleans Saints. This one was a

1194
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: little bit tricky to me as well, because I so

1195
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: see Mikel Williams as a New Orleans Saint fitt. They

1196
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: love their ed rushers in New Orleans. They especially love

1197
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: their toolsy ed rushers in New Orleans. They've made some

1198
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: mistakes in the draft, in New Orleans targeting edge rushers,

1199
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: so it could be mikel Williams. But I'm going to

1200
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: take the other Georgia edge rusher, Jalen Walker in this spot.

1201
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: He's still on my board right now to New Orleans.

1202
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: So the Saints ad Jalen Walker. I think they would

1203
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: be a Tyler Warren team if Tyler Warren fell to

1204
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: them at nine, but he got scooped up by the

1205
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: Jets at seven. Did you know the Saints starting tight

1206
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: end right now is Foster Moreau. He is there starting

1207
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: tight end. There's teams with the worst tight end rooms, honestly,

1208
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: so they were They are definitely a Tyler Warren team.

1209
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll take the risk on Colston

1210
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: Lovelin on the injury risk. So I'm gonna go Jayalen

1211
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: Walker here at nine to the Saints.

1212
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have them trading down again. This is two

1213
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 5: trades in the top ten, which might be unlikely. But

1214
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 5: I think that the Miami Dolphins look even Mike McDaniel

1215
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 5: should be able to see how bad that line is.

1216
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 5: You have a quarterback that has a history of injuries,

1217
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 5: you have to be able to address it. I have

1218
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 5: armand Membu falling here. Even if he doesn't. Maybe it's

1219
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 5: a trade up for Calvin Banks for Josh Simmons. They

1220
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 5: need offensive line help. Armond Membu to the Dolphins at nine.

1221
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 5: With the Saints moving back and the Saints by a

1222
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 5: bunch of needs, they're just perpetually in cap hell at

1223
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 5: this point, they still are.

1224
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: They could use more picks thanks to the makes a

1225
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Yeah, so they get him at thirteen here,

1226
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 1: So who you actually taking a night Membu to the Dolphins? Membu?

1227
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Do the Dolphins that time? Okay? Last pick number ten

1228
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. See where this is going the Bears.

1229
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: Everyone is telling you that the Bears are ashon gent

1230
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: crazy right now in this mock, I had Ashton Genty

1231
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: falling to them right in their laps for Ben Johnson.

1232
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: Don't even need to trade up for him. So the

1233
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: Bears taking at ten ash and Genty they get their

1234
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: guy without a trade up, which probably isn't gonna happen.

1235
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna end up swapping with Jacksonville and taking

1236
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: him at five, and Jacksonville will get their guy Ted

1237
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: McMillan at ten. But I think those are two teams

1238
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: are taking McMillan and Genty in some order like however,

1239
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: they figure it out. They figure it out. But I

1240
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: just had them. Everybody's sticking in picking here Ashton Genty

1241
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: at ten, So cam Ward to the Titans, Travis Hunter

1242
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: to the Browns, Abdul Carter to the Giants, Will Campbell

1243
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: to the Pats, Teed McMillan to the Jaguars, Membu to

1244
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: the Raiders, Warren to the Jets, Matthew Golden is surprise

1245
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: top ten pick to the Carolina Panthers, Jalen Walker to

1246
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints, and Ashton Genty to the Chicago Bears.

1247
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: That's the official. There you go. Evan is our top ten.

1248
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: I guess I got a wrap mine up.

1249
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 5: I'll take Mason Graham to the Jacks because it'll bug

1250
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 5: you that the NERD's taking a defensive tackle.

1251
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: So the only player in the top ten that I

1252
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: felt wrong about keeping out was Mason. I've seen him

1253
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: out of some people's top tens. This isn't completely out

1254
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: of left field. He is another one of those guys

1255
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: that has been hiding in the pre draft process. Did

1256
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: no testing, nothing at his pro day, nothing at the combine,

1257
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: he's a great football player. He wins with technique, he

1258
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: wins with leverage, he wins with hustle, he wins with

1259
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: effort and finish all those types of things. But he's

1260
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: not an athlete. And he's clearly not an athlete because

1261
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: he refuses to work out, so he's hiding the fact

1262
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: that he's not an athlete. For the most part, I

1263
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: think if you're picking in the top ten, you want

1264
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: to be picking athletic specimens in the top ten. You

1265
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: don't want to be picking guys that are are Oh well,

1266
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: this guy's savvy and he's sound, and he's smart, and

1267
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: he's you know, hustles and all that like that's usually

1268
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: not top ten worthy. So I see Mason Graham being

1269
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: the odd man out falling out of the top ten. Yeah,

1270
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: all right, So there you go. That's the official mock draft,

1271
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: my one and only top ten mock draft. I think

1272
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: it's going to be right, probably not, probably gonna be

1273
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: very wrong. We'll see. But let's get into your part

1274
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: of the show. Now. We're gonna get into the phones

1275
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get into the emails. But before we do, uh,

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1285
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Speaker 1: phone calls. We'll get to the emails. We got a

1286
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: lot of people holding here. Patty is in Aguan. What's

1287
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: up Patty?

1288
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 8: Good afternoon, Jens.

1289
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: How are you hey?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 8: Evan, And I hope you give me a little bit

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Speaker 8: of a vine because I got some you know, I

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Speaker 8: got a lot of draft things I need to get

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Speaker 8: off my chest. First thing I wanted to see yesterday,

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Speaker 8: I'm to you, is I wanted to get your guys

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Speaker 8: feeling on draft fatigue. I know that's kind of a

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Speaker 8: big buzzword or buzz buzz word's going on right now,

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Speaker 8: and I think a lot of us in this area

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Speaker 8: have it. And the reason why we have it is

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Speaker 8: because the last two seasons twenty three and twenty four.

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Speaker 8: I don't know about you, I don't know about any

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Speaker 8: of the other fans, but I started looking at the

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Speaker 8: top prospects coming out in November because that's how crappy

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Speaker 8: this team has been. So we're not you know, we're

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Speaker 8: not looking from January the end of January and to April.

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Speaker 8: I'm looking from the middle of November into Abril. So

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Speaker 8: I've got a good idea on who's out there, what

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Speaker 8: they're good at, what they're not good at. I don't

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Speaker 8: break down the film like you, Evan. I'm not as

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Speaker 8: even though I'm older than you guys, more experienced, I'm

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Speaker 8: not as smart as you guys, because you know that's

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Speaker 8: your full time job. So I wanted to get your

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Speaker 8: thoughts on that. My second thing I wanted to talk

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Speaker 8: about is you guys were bringing it up twenty four

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Speaker 8: that's going to be a hotspot to trade up. Now,

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Speaker 8: what if four tackles are off the board in the

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Speaker 8: top fifteen, right, and then what teams like Kansas City

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Speaker 8: and Houston jump Minnesota and then you know all these

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Speaker 8: people that are clamoring to take somebody else beside the

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Speaker 8: left tackle at the number four spot. You're done, You're cooked.

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Speaker 8: You're not getting a left tackle this year. No, but

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Speaker 8: that's a variable I've not heard anybody bring up yet.

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Speaker 8: And the last thing I want to end it with, Alex.

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Speaker 8: I know this is probably gonna be kind of boring

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Speaker 8: for you because I saw on TV last night you

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Speaker 8: did the you did a bunch of mock drafts. But

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Speaker 8: this was my predictive list. First pick Campbell, Second pick

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Speaker 8: Jalen Noel. One thing that doesn't get talked about with

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Speaker 8: Noel is he was a team captain, so he's a

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Speaker 8: high character guy. Number three Jack Sawyer, And this is

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Speaker 8: sticking and picking. I think Sawyer is going to fall.

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Speaker 8: Jack Sawyer number three. I think they're going to get

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Speaker 8: a tight end. I think the best one in round

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Speaker 8: three that's going to be available to them is going

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Speaker 8: to be Terrence Ferguson. Fifth pick, Jacob Parrish. Fifth pick

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Speaker 8: for Shard Smith got asked, m you and I rounded

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Speaker 8: out with Drew Kendall, Cayleb Rodgers, who's a versatile he

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Speaker 8: could inside and he can play tackle. Highly penalized guy,

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Speaker 8: but I mean he's he wouldn't be a bad guy

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Speaker 8: to be sort of that firstatle lignement that you could

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Speaker 8: mix and match at any position. If somebody goes down

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Speaker 8: and Ryan Fitzgerald the round it off, that's all I got.

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Speaker 8: Let's go, baby, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Patty Good mock, good mock. I

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Speaker 1: will say Drew Kendall, I think is gonna go a

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Speaker 1: lot higher than people think. I Drew Kendall's like like

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Speaker 1: a fourth or fifth round pick. But I like the mock.

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Speaker 1: I like all the players that he picked there. I

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Speaker 1: think they're guys that we've discussed and we've talked about

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Speaker 1: a lot. I do I find the the Jalen Knowle

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Speaker 1: thing interesting. It's on the one hand that they could

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Speaker 1: look at it and we could look at it as

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Speaker 1: kind of like a redo on Lad McConkie, right, Like

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a similar type of player, and you

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Speaker 1: might feel like, all right, well, they have kind of

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Speaker 1: enough of that kind of player, they have enough slots,

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Speaker 1: they have enough inside guys. But he's probably the best

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Speaker 1: receiver that you could take there.

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Speaker 5: I also don't think they like people who have said

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Speaker 5: the slot position is filled, I disagree with that. I

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Speaker 5: think they have options, but we've talked about this. Pop

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Speaker 5: Douglas I think absolutely has a role here. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 5: a good player, He's not that one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 5: target year guy. He's more Danny A. Mondola than Julian Edelman.

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Speaker 5: And after that, if they're gonna play digs in the slot,

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Speaker 5: so that's one thing. I know, you think they're gonna

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Speaker 5: play digs in the slot, I'd see Moore as a Z.

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Speaker 5: So now you're down to Jalen Polk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of it.

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Speaker 1: And like Kedrick Bourne, I guess, I guess.

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Speaker 5: If you feel good about those as your slot options,

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Speaker 5: especially in a different slot than a different kind of

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Speaker 5: slot player than maybe Polk is. I kind of want

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Speaker 5: to do this later in the show, but I'll just

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Speaker 5: bring it up now. Like there's always two or three

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Speaker 5: guys that I think the Patriots are gonna take. You know,

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Speaker 5: everything tells me the Patriots are gonna take that I

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Speaker 5: want to get into a mock draft that I don't

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Speaker 5: end up getting in, and usually they end up taking

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Speaker 5: one of those guys, and it bugs me because I

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Speaker 5: didn't put him in both Iowa State receivers or in

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Speaker 5: that category.

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Speaker 1: For me, this year.

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Speaker 5: I did one last night. I was texting about this.

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Speaker 5: I was trying to get Noel or Higgins in. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I couldn't make it work. I ended up putting Tray Harrison,

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Speaker 5: who I think is a fit too. But like I

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Speaker 5: bet you, I'm gonna regret not putting one of the

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Speaker 5: Iowa state wide receivers in. But if I put one in,

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Speaker 5: they would have taken the other, so I would regret

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Speaker 5: it either way. But I regret not getting those guys

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Speaker 5: my mock draps.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. The nole thing to me is interesting, and

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Speaker 1: I know that I was thinking. It was yesterday that

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Speaker 1: that Los Angeles the Chargers put out bear side of

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Speaker 1: the trade call for Ladd McConkie, and it just kind

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Speaker 1: of brought the whole thing back up again at the

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Speaker 1: Patriots passing on Ladd McConkie. And I do wonder if

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Speaker 1: this time around they say, well, we want to take

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Speaker 1: a receiver here, Knowle's the best receiver. We literally just

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Speaker 1: made this mistake a year ago, passing on the receiver

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Speaker 1: because it was too redundant to the guys we already have, like,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to do that again, and we're just

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Speaker 1: gonna take Jalen Rowle to your point about the slot,

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Speaker 1: Like I think Diggs is a Z. But in historically,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's two different types of of like Patriot slots. Right,

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Speaker 1: There's like the Welker Edelman slot that's truly a third

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Speaker 1: receiver that comes on the field in eleven and plays

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Speaker 1: the slot. And then there's the Julian Edelman slot who's

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Speaker 1: kind of like a moveable piece that is really truly

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Speaker 1: playing the Z, but he's playing like a fifty to

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Speaker 1: fifty split of inside outside. So I see Stefan Diggs

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Speaker 1: playing more in that like Julian Edelman type of archetype

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Speaker 1: or mold of being an inside outside guy, a movable

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Speaker 1: chess piece around the formation type of guy. If they

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Speaker 1: take a guy like Jalen Nole, that's probably his best

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Speaker 1: role as well. So how do you make that work?

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's Nol in the slot early on. Diggs is

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Speaker 1: probably not a long term thing here in New England.

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Speaker 1: It's probably more of a short term thing. So maybe

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six or twenty twenty seven, Nol you know,

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Speaker 1: moves over and plays more on the outside. All right,

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Speaker 1: Randy is in Providence. What's up? Randy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going, guys?

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Speaker 1: Eight?

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Speaker 2: Hey, So I had a question that I had two takes.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction on. They'll be quick.

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Speaker 2: So I saw tweet this morning from a guy named.

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Speaker 1: Simon Charles is fake account, fake account?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cool?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not familiar with him, so all right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: then two takes.

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Speaker 1: Stop getting god by Simon Charles.

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Speaker 4: Guys keep going, yeah, I'm not a big look, I'm

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Speaker 4: not a big Twitter guy.

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Speaker 3: We're to make it funny, you know, We're not making

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Speaker 3: funny in that, all right?

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Speaker 2: So, uh, two takes number one. I think Carter goes

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Speaker 2: it too, and that's I don't know that that's like

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Speaker 2: the hottest take in the world, but every one in

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Speaker 2: the world has Hunter, and I just think like Andrew

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Speaker 2: Berry is kind of known for enjoying the gamesmanship of

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Speaker 2: this right, and he's kind of like been a little

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Speaker 2: too public about it, and I don't know, I think

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Speaker 2: that if he was going to sit down with Miles

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Speaker 2: Garrett and sell him on a plan, telling him on

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Speaker 2: like we're going to create this ridiculous path rush is

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Speaker 2: more attractive to a guy like Miles Garrett. Then we're

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Speaker 2: going to drive Travis Hunter and you, like you were

1451
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: saying earlier, you know, you can't exactly like one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent promise, but we're going to get Hunter and Sanders

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Speaker 2: or something like that, you know, So I just to me,

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Speaker 2: I think that, you know, I'm always suspicious of news

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Speaker 2: and stuff that comes out in April, especially from guys

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Speaker 2: who like to kind of play the media a little bit,

1457
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Speaker 2: like they have that reputation like Andrew Prairie does. And

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Speaker 2: then the hotter take that is quick is I think

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Speaker 2: that more tight ends go in the top ten than

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks or wide receivers were end.

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Speaker 3: So I have a take along those lines.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for the I think Mason Taylor's going to be

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Speaker 5: first round pick, or if not first round, like I

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Speaker 5: don't think he's gonna be on the board of thirty

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Speaker 5: eight because Tyler Warren's gonna go top ten, Wavelin's gonna

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Speaker 5: go top twenty, if not top fifteen. Some people think

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Speaker 5: he might go before Warren. Mason Taylor right now on

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Speaker 5: the consensus board is fifty. Yeah, So let's see even

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Speaker 5: say loved and falls to twenty were going thirty picks

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Speaker 5: without a tight end were going twenty picks a year

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Speaker 5: after brock Bowers in a copycat league like and there's

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Speaker 5: teams that need tight ends. The Rams are down there,

1473
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 5: they need a tight end. You could argue the Ravens

1474
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 5: should start getting ready for life after Marc Andrews Denver.

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01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 5: Denver needs a tight end at twenty. If Loveland goes higher,

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Speaker 5: I think that's probably Loveland's floor floor. Like Mason, I

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Speaker 5: don't think Mason Taylor, there's a I think there's a

1478
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Speaker 5: really good chance Mason Taylor is not good at thirty eight.

1479
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 5: And I'll dress the take up a little bit and say,

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Speaker 5: I think Mason Taylor's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: A first round ten. So I think it's a I've

1482
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Speaker 1: heard that you're not alone. Yeah. To me, it's a

1483
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: lot of projecting for a first round pick. I get it.

1484
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: He's a good, great athlete.

1485
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 3: He's that much of a projection.

1486
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: He's just young, but he just doesn't have he doesn't

1487
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: have a great college production, but he's like the skill

1488
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: level is very polished for somebody his age. Yeah, I agree,

1489
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Speaker 1: he's good well in terms of the ball skills, certainly,

1490
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: like there's some route running detail that he's probably gonna

1491
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: have to hone in on in the pros. But he's

1492
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Speaker 1: a great athlete. He's a smooth athlete. He's a smooths catcher.

1493
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: The gauntlet drill that he'd put on in the combine

1494
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: was just breathtaking, right, Like, that's exactly how it should look.

1495
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Speaker 1: He's young, he's athletic, you know, all, it checks all

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Speaker 1: of the boxes. I do think it's a little bit

1497
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: steep to put him in the first round, but I

1498
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: could see him going in the thirties for sure. Like

1499
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Speaker 1: I think that he's an early second.

1500
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 5: The real take is, I don't think he's on the

1501
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 5: board of thirty eight. But you know, as the Great

1502
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 5: League Courses said, we're in the entertainment business. I'll dress

1503
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 5: it up a little bit.

1504
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: Now. The the take about it being there being more

1505
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: tight ends than quarterbacks and receivers in the first round, that.

1506
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 3: One topped ten.

1507
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: He said, oh, in the top the top ten. Oh well, maybe,

1508
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess maybe sometimes I could see it,

1509
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: because how are you gonna get three tight ends in

1510
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: the top ten? Are they gonna be two quarterbacks in

1511
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: the top ten? No, he's said quarterbacks and receivers.

1512
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 5: So what if one of these teams that needs a

1513
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 5: pass catcher, looks at it and likes Colston Lovelin better

1514
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 5: than McMillan or Golden, whoever's there.

1515
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: That's a big, big risk. It would have to be

1516
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: two to one. It would have to be two to one.

1517
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 5: But like I could see it. I don't know they

1518
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 5: did bet on it, but I could see it. You know,

1519
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 5: it's not gonna be three to two. It's gonna be

1520
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 5: two to one.

1521
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: Now if we're talking first round. I don't see it

1522
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: at all. Like I think McMillan, eg, Buka, Matthew Golden

1523
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 1: our lock first round picks at receiver, and cam Ward's

1524
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: a lock first round pick a cord I sneaky love

1525
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: if he falls there, Buka to the Eagles at thirty two, Yeah,

1526
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: would be such a good pick.

1527
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 3: And I have not seen nearly enough people talk about that.

1528
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: I know if he'll fall that far, but yeah, it's

1529
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: a good pick. But those four guys are going in

1530
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: the first round. I can't get too.

1531
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 5: Because it's it's kind of the same thing with Tet

1532
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 5: where he's not that that level of athlete that teams

1533
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 5: usually want from wide receivers in the first round. He's

1534
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 5: incredibly skilled and he's a good player, and it's annoying

1535
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,480
Speaker 5: that we're kind of just banking so much on athleticism

1536
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 5: and not looking at how good is this guy at football?

1537
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 5: Actually it's not just a track meet. But yeah, like,

1538
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 5: if Tedt's gonna fall, you can make an argument that

1539
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 5: Buka's gonna fall too, because they're short. They're very different players,

1540
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 5: but their shortcomings on the surface are kind of.

1541
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: They both don't have top end speed, right, they both

1542
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: have that modest place uh top end speed. I wouldn't

1543
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 1: call it play speed because I think ted is fast

1544
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands, but they are not

1545
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: necessarily dynamic route runners in terms of speed. I could

1546
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: I could see a Buka falling a little bit. I

1547
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: still feel like he's right in that jsn addison z

1548
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 1: A Flowers sweet spot right right in the twenties somewhere

1549
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: makes the most sense for Buka. All right, Rio is

1550
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: in Texas? What's up?

1551
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 6: Rio?

1552
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: Rio? You're there? Good?

1553
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: Uh?

1554
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 7: I'm ready for this draft season to be over. I

1555
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 7: don't know if you all feeling in the same.

1556
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: Way we love the draft season here. Oh yeah, I

1557
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: don't know. There's something about like sea ready to be

1558
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: over and like wanting to know who they are actually

1559
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: going to take. I think are two different things. I'm

1560
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: ready to actually see who they're gonna take.

1561
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 5: I enjoy it, it's fun to talk about and all that,

1562
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 5: but there is an element of, like, you put all

1563
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 5: this work in you want to pay off. You won't

1564
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 5: know if you were right or not right, So it's

1565
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 5: kind of there's a there's a balance there.

1566
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 7: Well, none of us are going to be right in

1567
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 7: the end, but I just wanted to get a couple

1568
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 7: of things off of my chest and then ask a

1569
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 7: ask a question kind of with Patty was saying earlier.

1570
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 7: You know, going back, it's been a very long draft

1571
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 7: season and I spent quite frankly since the words young

1572
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 7: Tunger Cat were uttered. I've been looking at the draft

1573
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 7: class because I was a little dubious at that point,

1574
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 7: and this draft has reminded me of a lot of

1575
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 7: twenty twenty two, where you're going to have a whole

1576
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 7: bunch of prospects debated at the top, and I think

1577
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 7: we're going to look back in three years and say, yeah,

1578
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 7: there are a couple of guys that are pretty good,

1579
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 7: and the rest of them that we've been debating, they

1580
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 7: all kind of stink. There's nothing great there. And when

1581
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 7: Alex brought up earlier with Darius Hayward Day and Michael Crabtree,

1582
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 7: you know that was a shocking pick at the time.

1583
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 7: Neither guy was any good Tree.

1584
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: He was solid.

1585
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 3: He wasn't what he was supposed to be, but he

1586
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 3: was solid.

1587
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 7: Do you want to take him as a tautent tick?

1588
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 7: I don't, But my thinking is why not try to

1589
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 7: avoid the entire mess basically? And I know you thought that.

1590
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 7: Evan said earlier that the Raiders were going to take

1591
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 7: care of Colton Miller. I don't think they are. I

1592
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 7: think they're going to try to go a different direction.

1593
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 7: What do you think about just one for six and

1594
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 7: Colton Miller? Just valu him as a third round pick

1595
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 7: since you have to pay him, take yourself out of

1596
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 7: the position where you even have to be thinking, I

1597
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 7: have to take a tackle at four overall because we

1598
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 7: got to protect Drake May and now you open up

1599
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 7: the board for yourself at six.

1600
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a good theory. Rio, thanks for

1601
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: the call.

1602
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 5: Real quick, just for the record. Yeah, Michael Crabtree seventeen

1603
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 5: game average in his.

1604
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,560
Speaker 1: Career, stuck on Crabtree averaged.

1605
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 5: Over seventeen games each season, seventy six catches, nine hundred yards,

1606
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 5: seven touchdowns.

1607
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: I'd take that. Yeah, he was fine. That's fine. He

1608
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: wasn't what he was full to be, but he's not

1609
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: a bad player. Would I trade for for six and

1610
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: Colton Miller? Yeah, I probably would. I would. I don't

1611
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: think the Raiders would. I don't know if the Raiders would.

1612
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: I also have just decided that the market for these

1613
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: trades that include veteran players is so wacky at this

1614
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: point that I'm done trying to predict what exactly a

1615
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: player is going to get in return. Colton Miller could

1616
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: be worth the first round pick, it could be worth

1617
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: the seventh round pick. I honestly have no idea anymore,

1618
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: because everything seems to be a case by case basis

1619
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 1: where it just depends on the supply and the demand

1620
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: and that all this.

1621
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: There's more demand at the position.

1622
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, if you're the Raiders, would you rather move

1623
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 5: up two spots or get the thirty eighth pick outright.

1624
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: In this draft? How would they get the thirty eighth

1625
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: pick for Coldon Miller?

1626
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 5: I'm saying if those are the two options, right, you

1627
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 5: can either move up probably get the thirty eighth pick.

1628
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 5: I would too if I'm the Raiders. So the whole

1629
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 5: six to fourth thing that doesn't work.

1630
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: Well unless the only way I guess I wouldn't it

1631
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: just to play Devil's advocate, is if the Raiders are

1632
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: convinced that Genty's going five to the Jaguars and they

1633
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: want genty, so then you got yes, you're jumping the

1634
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: Jaguars to get genty I.

1635
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 5: It also doesn't matter because there was nothing in that

1636
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 5: report that Colton Miller wants to be traded right, just

1637
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 5: that he wants a new contract. He's a starting caliber

1638
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 5: left tackle. We've talked about how hard those guys are

1639
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 5: to find. That's gonna you're you're that was less than

1640
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 5: a week ago. So you're gonna trade a guy over

1641
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 5: contract dispute if it's even reached that point it's optional workouts. Yeah,

1642
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 5: you're gonna move on from that guy in a week.

1643
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 5: Over All that a twenty nine year old starting left tackle, because.

1644
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: That's a that's a camp trade.

1645
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 5: If it's a trade right now, and the Patriots absolutely

1646
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 5: cannot say, well, Colton Miller might be available, so we're

1647
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 5: not gonna take a left tackle. You can't do that

1648
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 5: because if he doesn't become available, which odds are he

1649
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 5: won't because these tackles never become available. If he doesn't

1650
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 5: become available, now you don't.

1651
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: Have a tackle. You the Colton Miller thing.

1652
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 5: It's a nice thought, there it logistically for a million

1653
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 5: reasons won't happen.

1654
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: The question that I would pose, and feel free to

1655
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: call on an email, and and I'm not saying this

1656
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: argumentatively necessarily, but the question that I would pose is that,

1657
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: are all these people that are trying to find I'm

1658
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: not picking on Rio either, all these people that are

1659
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: trying to find creative ways to get out of taking

1660
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: Will Campbell at for overall or any tackle? Is it because,

1661
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: and be honest with yourself, is it because you just

1662
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: don't like the player? Yeah? Or is it because you

1663
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: don't like the idea of taking a tackle because it's

1664
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: not fun enough? Right? Like, it's just not like you

1665
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: want to come out of this draft with something that

1666
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: is sexy, something that is appealing, something that is fun,

1667
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: and it socks for Christmas, and you don't want to

1668
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: pull the you know, you don't want to pull the

1669
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: trigger on socks for Christmas you want the Xbox, And like,

1670
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: now we're just talking ourselves into every other possible avenue.

1671
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: You know, take gent ed four, trade back up into

1672
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: the twenties for the tackle, trade four for six and

1673
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: Colton Miller, you know, trade a third round pick for

1674
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: Colton Miller, and then you don't need to take the

1675
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: tackle at four. We're just trying to find a bunch

1676
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: of different ways to avoid taking the tackle. And I'm

1677
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: genuinely curious if that is because you just don't like

1678
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: the players available at the position, or it's because you

1679
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: don't want to take the tackle, because I think a

1680
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: lot for a lot of people is that you just

1681
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: don't want to take the tackle. You just don't. You

1682
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: just don't want the socks and underwear for Christmas. You

1683
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: want the xbox. And sometimes, speaking as an adult right now,

1684
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: that's trying to adult and failing miserably telling you right now,

1685
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: the socks for Christmas are practical and they're great. And again,

1686
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: if you don't.

1687
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 5: Want Campbell, that's fine, but like you got to tell

1688
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 5: me then, especially you're like, if you tell me member

1689
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 5: with four, fine, okay, you believe more in him than Campbell.

1690
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking tackles in general.

1691
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 5: Right, if you're saying I don't want to tackle it

1692
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 5: for you got to tell me either how else you're

1693
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 5: getting that player or why you're comfortable with Vederian low

1694
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 5: starting her again?

1695
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 1: All right, Jordan is in Ohio. It's up, Jordan.

1696
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 2: Uh, George Pickens?

1697
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 8: Would you guys a day too like a third round

1698
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 8: pick for him? That's my first question. Second, would what's

1699
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 8: your guys.

1700
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 4: Spots on Jehem Bell moving the full back?

1701
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? Thanks for the call of Jordan. I say a

1702
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: Day two pick, like when I trade seventy seven for

1703
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: George Pickens?

1704
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably probably, I'm not trading thirty five.

1705
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would trade thirty eight for him.

1706
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: He's not their type of guy, like obviously with some

1707
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 1: of the character stuff, and he's a little bit of

1708
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: a head case, like he's just not a very able

1709
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: kind of guy.

1710
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 5: And what is he looking for? Is he looking for

1711
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 5: a new contract? Is he coming here trying to reset

1712
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 5: his value? And he plans on hidden free agency? If

1713
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 5: he's coming as a rental, No, I maybe late day three.

1714
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 5: I'm not trading a top three pick or a top

1715
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 5: uners pick for rental.

1716
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go crazy and be like, I don't

1717
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: want George Pickens on my type. But I'm just saying

1718
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: that I would probably be conservative. I wouldn't give up

1719
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: thirty eight, but I give up seventy seven for George

1720
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: Pickens probably, like I.

1721
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 5: Think you kind of not going to sign a new contract. Okay,

1722
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 5: that he's in the last year's deal.

1723
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: Right, getting there. I don't know if it's the last year.

1724
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 3: He's in twenty two draft four? Yeah's the second round pick.

1725
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a rookie options, so yes, last year

1726
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 1: was deal? All right? Mark is in Connecticut? What's up? Mark?

1727
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 8: Are we ready?

1728
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 6: Guys?

1729
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 9: Oh?

1730
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, right of course.

1731
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 9: Evan, my draft board is very similar to yours, which

1732
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 9: is great. So that makes me feel a lot better.

1733
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know about that.

1734
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 9: I mean, we're either going to be good or bad.

1735
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 9: That's one of the consensus.

1736
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 2: But Travis Hunter, I.

1737
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 9: Want everything we got to do to pop up one

1738
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 9: or two picks. What is it going to take? Is

1739
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 9: it going to take a second and a third from

1740
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 9: this year to do that?

1741
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: No?

1742
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 9: I just wanted to get your guys' tensus on how

1743
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 9: much draft capital we gotta do to move up one spot.

1744
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 4: Maybe two spots.

1745
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 3: More than you should. He's the guy more than you should.

1746
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Mark. I love Travis Hunter. I

1747
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: actually finished with him as my number one player in

1748
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 1: the I think he's the best player in the draft.

1749
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: I think he's a great player. I think you're probably

1750
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: looking up a giving up the twenty twenty six first

1751
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: round pick. Yeah, I truly think it's going to be

1752
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: something like that. We had a caller earlier, I can't

1753
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: remember which when it was, sorry, but in call her

1754
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: earlier saying that they think that the Browns are going

1755
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: to take Abdul Carter instead of Travis Hunter and pull

1756
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: fast foot on everybody. Andrew Berry the Browns GM called

1757
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: him the show hey Otani of football. Right. I'm sorry,

1758
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: but even if he just wants to be coy, even

1759
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: if he just wants to play games, even if he

1760
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: just wants to have fun with the media, you cannot

1761
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: go on the record in a press conference comparing a

1762
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: guy to show Heyotani. I'm not necessarily a baseball guy.

1763
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: There's some baseball people that think he's the best player

1764
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: of all time in baseball, right, like that, that's not

1765
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: a hot take to say that, Shoeyo Tani might be

1766
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: the best player of all time at his sport. If

1767
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: you are comparing that guy to that player in shoe

1768
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: Heyotani and Travis Hunter, you are taking Travis Hunter because

1769
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: if three years from now you ended up being right

1770
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: and you passed on show Hey Otania Football, then you

1771
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: are going to look like a moron. So you're not

1772
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: doing that.

1773
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 5: It's going to cost the future first either way, I

1774
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 5: don't it's not worth They need more than one great player,

1775
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 5: and Travis Hunter is a great player, but he's not worth,

1776
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 5: you know, getting a potential game changer this year, whether

1777
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 5: it be Will Campbell, Jalen Walker, even Ash and Genty

1778
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 5: somebody else. Yeah, plus whoever're gonna get next year in

1779
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 5: a better draft. It's it's not worth it.

1780
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. All right, Henry is in DC. What's up? Henry?

1781
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, thanks so much for taking my call. Love

1782
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 10: listening to the show. You getty, good listener. I like

1783
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 10: to run a lot of draft simulations, and there's two

1784
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 10: situations I was interested in.

1785
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: Your take on.

1786
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: Okay.

1787
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 10: The first is in the second round. I feel like

1788
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 10: there's always three or four guys that I really want,

1789
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 10: and none of them fall to thirty eight. So for

1790
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 10: each of year, who's someone that you'd be pounding the

1791
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 10: table to trade up to get at like thirty three

1792
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 10: or thirty four? And then in the third round, I

1793
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 10: feel like there's just so many good options that I

1794
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 10: can't pick between them, and I never know what to do.

1795
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 10: So my two questions are who would you trade up

1796
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 10: to get at thirty three or thirty four? And then

1797
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 10: what would an A plus third round look like?

1798
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: To each you O great good questions, Henry, Who would

1799
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: I trade up for in the second round? Line? There

1800
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: are a lot, I think it all. It's hard to

1801
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: answer because it depends on who they take it for.

1802
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: Right If they don't take a tackle at four, then

1803
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: I they're trading up for a tackle, right, like they

1804
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: have to trade up for Connorly or a nursery in

1805
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: my mind. The other guy that you know, I don't

1806
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: know if I necessarily would need to trade up for

1807
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: him or would but just in terms of, you know,

1808
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 1: for the sake of conversation, as they like to say,

1809
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: one of the more fascinating players in this draft to

1810
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: me from Patriots perspective is Luther Burden because they are

1811
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: a team that needs special talent on the offensive side

1812
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: of the ball that needs game changing skill talent on

1813
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, which is one hundred

1814
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: and ten percent what Luther Burden is. But they've also

1815
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:17,919
Speaker 1: spent the entire offseason targeting guys that are high character players,

1816
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: that are good locker room guys, that are leaders, that

1817
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: are captain material, all these kinds of things. And if

1818
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Luther Burden falls out of the first round, it's going

1819
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: to be because of the football character question marks, right,

1820
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: It's going to be about the person Luther Burden, not

1821
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: the player Luther Burden. So if the Patriots are sitting

1822
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: there at thirty eight and Luther Burden's falling because of

1823
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: the concerns about his character and his makeup, that to

1824
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: me is the ultimate litmus test of the Mike Rabol program.

1825
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: Would they take the risk on a player like Luther

1826
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: Burden Because to me, and I don't know the guy,

1827
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't do the vetting. I'm not a big dom

1828
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: in Philadelphi, right, I'm not. I'm not making calls and

1829
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: finding out about these guys. But to me, Luther Burden

1830
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: would really tip the scales for the Patriots, Like if

1831
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: they came out of this draft with Will Campbell and

1832
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: Luther Burden, Like, I am absolutely ecstatic. Would they do it?

1833
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: Would they take Luther Burden? I'm prepared to be disappointed.

1834
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 5: He's like everything we've heard they're not looking for with

1835
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 5: some of the red flags, which I think are overblown.

1836
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 3: I go watch Drew Locke.

1837
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: I'd be pissed to Brady after Brady Cook, thank you.

1838
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,919
Speaker 1: I liked Drew Locke. That do you still like?

1839
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 3: I do still like Drew.

1840
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: That's why you won't quit Drew.

1841
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 5: I won't quit Drew Locke and you won't quit Tes Johnson.

1842
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 5: But I'd be frustrated to about him. He is you

1843
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 5: said it there.

1844
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: He is exactly the kind of receiver the Patriots need.

1845
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: He is explosive breaker, He's a yeah, game breaker is

1846
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: a great way to put it. But are those off

1847
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: field concerns going to be an issue? The only reason

1848
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: he's we're even having this conversation is because of those

1849
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: because the issues aren't on the tape. So I'm prepared

1850
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: to be let down by that. But like, if he's

1851
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: there at thirty eight or within range of trade up,

1852
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: like I would love for them to take him, I'm

1853
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 1: just not expecting it. Yep, all right, Ken is in Louisiana.

1854
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: What's up? Ken?

1855
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 4: Hey Evan, how's it going good? Before I do anything,

1856
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 4: I wanted to thank both of you guys for the

1857
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 4: amount of research and the affort you put into this

1858
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 4: draft season, because you've made this incredibly enjoyable and informative

1859
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 4: in you know, you two are my go to guys

1860
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,959
Speaker 4: for Thank you, Thank you. It means a lot of research. Secondly,

1861
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,799
Speaker 4: I really you know, I was reading a column today

1862
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 4: and it kind of mirrored something I was thinking was,

1863
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 4: this is a very obvious pick for the Patriots. They

1864
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 4: have always been talking about protecting the protecting the quarterback,

1865
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 4: and they've been talking about this for a long time.

1866
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, Will Campbell may not be what

1867
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 4: everybody thinks they should get for a fourth round pick,

1868
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 4: but you worth a fourth you know, fourth pick. But

1869
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 4: he's worth a fourth pick to us, you know, on

1870
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 4: a on a on a team level. You know, other

1871
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 4: people maybe you know or maybe that's not the case

1872
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 4: if you've got a line, but you know, to go

1873
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 4: back to your Christmas uh uh gift, we got holes

1874
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 4: in our socks and uh and this guy you know

1875
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 4: has got a darning needle and can make it better.

1876
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 4: One of the other things I was I lived for

1877
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 4: ten years in Monroe, Louisiana, where he's from. It is

1878
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 4: a football rich area. It's like a backwater for everything else.

1879
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 4: But I mean all that is a really football rich area.

1880
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 4: Just a couple of names. Cam Robinson was from Monroe,

1881
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 4: Andrew Whitworth was from Monroe. So you know, kids grow

1882
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 4: up there, you know, they're not just the tallest kid,

1883
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 4: and they on the team and they get to play

1884
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 4: quarterback and then they go to hockey hockey practice at

1885
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 4: the end of the season. They grow up, you know,

1886
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 4: wanting to be lineman or something like that. And so

1887
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 4: there's a very very rich history for that area. You know. Well,

1888
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 4: Milt Williams, you know, played college ball there. Doug Peterson

1889
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 4: played college ball there. You know, so there's you know,

1890
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 4: it's a really football rich area. Anyway, That's that's all

1891
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 4: I had. And thank you very much for all the

1892
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 4: really good work you've.

1893
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 2: Done for us this season.

1894
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks Ken. That was a great call, not

1895
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: just because he was praising us.

1896
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 3: But I love his research. So I just looked it up.

1897
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 5: Neville High Schools where where Will Campbell went to uh

1898
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 5: went to high school there. I don't know if there's

1899
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 5: more than one high school in Monroe, but it's a

1900
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 5: pretty good alumni list. Larry Anderson, Bubby Brister, who else.

1901
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: Is on here?

1902
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 5: Some other older players I haven't heard of. Justin Ellis

1903
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 5: was a good player back in the day. Caventre Turpin,

1904
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 5: Max Mitchell also the head strength and conditioning coach for

1905
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 5: the Chiefs.

1906
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 3: There you go, who's now with the Bills. I guess

1907
01:27:59,200 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: that's not updated.

1908
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: I thought he put it great where you know Will

1909
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,759
Speaker 1: Campbell And this is what we've all been pounding the table.

1910
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 1: It might not be the best pick for everybody, it

1911
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: might not be the best pick in every year for

1912
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: the fourth overall pick, but for this team, for this year,

1913
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: it's the best pick that they can possibly make. I

1914
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: think that's the best way to put it. That's a

1915
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 1: perfect way to put it. I would just say you

1916
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: and I started doing this together in twenty eighteen seventeen

1917
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: right around there. You and I have never covered a

1918
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: draft where left tackle wasn't in need. We have never

1919
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: done it. We have never covered a draft. Maybe the

1920
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: only time was like nineteen right after they had drafted

1921
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win in eighteen. I guess they probably, but I

1922
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: think assume that Win was going to be the left

1923
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: tackle in nineteen coming off the injury. But he's coming

1924
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: off an injury, right.

1925
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 5: There were questions about him coming off the injury, and

1926
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 5: I did they need a right tackle that year?

1927
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 1: Was that?

1928
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 3: When after they? Did they like Cannon go after eighteen.

1929
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: Or after nineteen? Yeah, you have to, I don't.

1930
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 5: I'm okay still at Cannon, So maybe twenty nineteen is

1931
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 5: the one year.

1932
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was coming off a Win was coming

1933
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: off of torn achilles at the time. He tore his

1934
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: achilles in the preseason the year before. We have never

1935
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: covered a draft where the Patriots haven't had a need

1936
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: at left tackle. They have also and we're getting old.

1937
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: So that's we're going on in like eight drafts where

1938
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: we've talked about tackles every single year. We are also

1939
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: going on two to three years now of the Patriots

1940
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: having some of the worst offensive line play in the NFL,

1941
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: the worst like twenty twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,

1942
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: when you've just seen a precipitous drop off of their

1943
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: offensive line play from bad to worse here in New England.

1944
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: So if they draft. Will Campbell had four overall, which

1945
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: is certainly what it seems like. You need to come

1946
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: out of this draft with the dancer at left tackle.

1947
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: You need to come out of this draft elevating the

1948
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: talent in the room on the offensive line. And it's

1949
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: easy to sit back now and not want to build

1950
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: through the trenches. And then everybody gets to the season, yep,

1951
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 1: and they watched Drake May get battered and beaten for

1952
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,799
Speaker 1: six months. They watch Mandre Stevenson fumble a bajillion times

1953
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 1: and have no place to run the entire year, and

1954
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: everything gets blamed on the offensive line, and then we

1955
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 1: get to April and nobody wants to draft alignment.

1956
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 4: Right.

1957
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: It's I get it. It's it's not fun. Like I

1958
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: would much rather than get Travis Hunter just for the

1959
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: pure excitement. I think he's a better player too. But

1960
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: even if I thought they were equal, I probably might

1961
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 1: want Travis Hunter more because it's more exciting, it's more fun.

1962
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: But sometimes you just need to go with what you need,

1963
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: and what they need is the left tackle. I just

1964
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: I thought that the callers said it great. It just

1965
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: is the best pick for them this year.

1966
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 5: So when I when we work together in twenty nineteen,

1967
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 5: we covered that draft I didn't like, so I apologize

1968
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 5: in advance that I can't do this to myself. So

1969
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 5: I don't want you to think I'm taking a personal shot.

1970
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 5: I found your mock draft from twenty nineteen.

1971
01:30:59,240 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to know.

1972
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 11: No.

1973
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 3: So thirty two, Yeah, Jerry Tillery Notre Dame.

1974
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 4: Ah.

1975
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I did like him defensive tackle.

1976
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 3: In the second round.

1977
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 5: You actually had them trading up in the second round

1978
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 5: to take offensive tackle.

1979
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dalton Reisner. I was right about that, So clearly

1980
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: he's a better guard.

1981
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 3: Would you say?

1982
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 5: As always, we can expect a lot of trades from

1983
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 5: Belichick on draft weekend. We try to predict one here,

1984
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 5: and it comes back to the cluster theory, whatever that is.

1985
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 3: This is a strong.

1986
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 5: Offensive tackle class, but the drop off after a certain

1987
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 5: point is considerable. The Patriots jump up ten spots at

1988
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 5: one of the premier players at the position. New England

1989
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 5: could opt for left tackle prospects like old Missus Greg

1990
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 5: Little or Caleb McGarry, and I also like the versatile

1991
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 5: Titus Howard. Here, you weren't necessarily wrong, but we go

1992
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 5: with Reisner as a scheme, as a system and culture fit.

1993
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 3: You said Scar would love him.

1994
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: And uh tough guyoun on the.

1995
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 5: Right side, Shack Mason and Reisner would give the Patriots

1996
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 5: two bulldozers. So we were talking tackle in the top

1997
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 5: maybe not in first pick. I also found the mock

1998
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 5: draft tracker. There's a lot to Jerry Tillery, a lot

1999
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 5: of Yeah, there's some quarterbacks in there, Drew Locke, Will Greer,

2000
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 5: shout out to Rick Sarah Tella who had Jeffrey Simmons.

2001
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: So that that was, But there there are a couple

2002
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: bad draft. We were talking tackle in the top one hundred.

2003
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: We all were so sure that Belichick would never draft

2004
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 1: or receive in the first round. Yeah, yeah, and so

2005
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: especially that year. None of us were on that scent

2006
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: because of that. But good pull, good pull, not terrible.

2007
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 5: Hang on, you want the rest of it while we're here,

2008
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 5: Just just a couple the whole thing. Will Greer, Jase Sternberger.

2009
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 5: They did get Will Gear eventually. Yeah, you had me

2010
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 5: Cole Hardman in the third round, ninety seventh. Overall, there

2011
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 5: we go. Pats Way wires the third round. This one

2012
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 5: directly relates to their tears system. You said he could

2013
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 5: be an element player who moves around the formation, can

2014
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 5: return kicks. Okay, who else did you have here? Most

2015
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 5: of these Day three guys didn't make it in the

2016
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 5: league so well, but their Day three Oh yeah, they

2017
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 5: had like five seventh round pixels here. Yeah, so you

2018
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 5: take me Cole Hardman ninety seventh. You took Jalen herb

2019
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 5: one thirty fourth and then they had four picks to

2020
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 5: fifty five picks. You must have made some trades five

2021
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 5: picks to fifty or later.

2022
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: I did like Jalen Hurd as well. I thought Jalen

2023
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: Hurd was gonna work. He's made sense.

2024
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 3: He met with We went with the Rutgers guy late.

2025
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:11,799
Speaker 1: Sure.

2026
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a bunch of linemen on both sides. Nick Easley, Iowa,

2027
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 5: I like vaguely remember.

2028
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: Him, always easy to go at the lineman. Uh So

2029
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 1: every year we can safely say we've been talking about tackles,

2030
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: whether it's left or right or whatever the case may be.

2031
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: I just I'm sick of it. I'm sick of talking

2032
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: about tackles. I'm sick of the offensive line, you know,

2033
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: not being up to snuff, not being NFL caliber. And

2034
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 1: I think what we've learned over the last couple of

2035
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: years no, it doesn't necessarily move the needle like a

2036
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: top flight receiver would, like a Jamar Chase level receiver would.

2037
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: But we've learned over the years is that you literally

2038
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: cannot operate with a bad offensive line. It doesn't have

2039
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 1: to be great, it doesn't have to be elite. It

2040
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be Philly's offensive line or Detroit's offensive line.

2041
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: It can be middle of the pack, but you have

2042
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,719
Speaker 1: to be at a certain le on the offensive line

2043
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 1: because you just can't call plays right with an offensive

2044
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: line at that And we've seen it. So I just

2045
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 1: let's let's take the socks for Christmas people. It'll be okay?

2046
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: Will is uh? Is that Kentucky? Maybe I don't know.

2047
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm bad with my abbreviations. What's up? Will?

2048
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 2: Not much?

2049
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 12: I'm with the socks and some Kentucky thing or the

2050
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 12: socks for Christmas thing? Because receivers look better when the

2051
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 12: quarterbacks got more time to throw the football. If you

2052
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 12: can't even finish this drop before you're getting hit, how

2053
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 12: you getting even get the ball out? I'm tired of

2054
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,879
Speaker 12: wat of some people get smacked back there playing quarterback.

2055
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough? Well what else you got?

2056
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 12: Oh question? What's what would what's the chances of them,

2057
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 12: like somebody like say the Giants throwing a curveball since

2058
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 12: they need a right tackle and getting Membo instead of

2059
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 12: abdual Carter because then they move Evan Neil into guards.

2060
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and thanks for the call. Well, I I

2061
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: don't think there's a very good chance of that. Now.

2062
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that they trade out of the pick?

2063
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: They trade the Giants trade back with somebody so somebody

2064
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: else can take at dual Carter three? Sure, there's no

2065
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: reason for them to take at dual Carter Act three

2066
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: or excuse me, arm On Membo. Yeah right, No, like

2067
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 1: they can trade out of that pick, somebody else will

2068
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: take the pick for Abdul Carter and they can still

2069
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: take Membo at six. Right, anybody sneaks up in there,

2070
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be genty.

2071
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2072
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: Do the Giants over correct?

2073
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 5: Is Joe Shane over correct on losing Saquon Barkley and

2074
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 5: take genty and three because that's the one.

2075
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 1: If you move back you might not get them.

2076
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2077
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: So we have about approximately one thousand emails coming in.

2078
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,679
Speaker 5: A little little breaking news real quick here. The Saints

2079
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 5: are picking up chrys Olave's fifty year options. So he's

2080
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 5: been kind of loosely floated as a Patriots trade target and.

2081
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 1: Now is an extra year on his contract. Okay, And

2082
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 1: they're not picking up the option on Trevor Penning, all right,

2083
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 1: Trevor Penning is not good.

2084
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 5: If Will Campbell is a guard, like you all say,

2085
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:53,799
Speaker 5: Trevor Penning is not good, it's.

2086
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 3: Gonna be a lot of copio Trevor Penning.

2087
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Trevor Penning is a big draft bust.

2088
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 3: He should probably be played. I think he'd be okay

2089
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 3: as the guard.

2090
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 1: That's a guy. He's tall though, he's like a big

2091
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 1: it's true, I don't. I think McKay Beckton kind of

2092
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 1: proved you can have tall guards though. But Makai Becton

2093
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: is like huge, right, Like he's Trevor Petting's like a

2094
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 1: tall athlete, like he's kind of like a Nate Soldier build. Yeah,

2095
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: all right. Marcel is from Austria. He's emailing in and uh,

2096
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,560
Speaker 1: I look, I understand Marcel's train of thought here a

2097
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: little bit.

2098
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:23,679
Speaker 4: Uh.

2099
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 1: He has a quick draft question for us, which isn't

2100
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: so quick. But that's okay, Marcel, we still love you.

2101
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: If Membo can't play left tackle because he can't make

2102
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,759
Speaker 1: the switch from right to left. And if Campbell can't

2103
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: play left tackle because of the arm wingspan, then shouldn't

2104
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: the Patriots take Armond Membu essentially? And to me, which

2105
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: I've said before, which I'm saying a lot today, to me,

2106
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 1: this is the best pro Membu argument for the Membu people.

2107
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 1: The pro Membo argument is that no matter what, Membu

2108
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: is a tackle, he might be a right tackle, but

2109
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna play tackle, so he's either your left tackle

2110
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: or he's right tackle in the future. Morgan Moses is

2111
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 1: thirty four years old. Either way, he's there's a path

2112
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: for him to be a starting NFL tackle. For Will Campbell,

2113
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: the backup plan is guard. So in theory, Membo would

2114
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: have a little bit more value positionally than Will camp I.

2115
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 5: Just think you shouldn't And I look, I get drafts

2116
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 5: haven't gone here well last few years. Besides last year,

2117
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 5: you shouldn't be drafting a player based off of what

2118
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:30,639
Speaker 5: is the worst case scenario, Like that's just drafting scared

2119
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 5: to me. Yeah, because if Campbell hits, he's going to

2120
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 5: be a better left tackle than Membo.

2121
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 3: If he adds I think so.

2122
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 5: And somebodys say you shouldn't just draft for the ceiling either,

2123
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 5: like there has to be a happy medium, which flying arguing, well,

2124
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 5: if it all hits the fan, you'd rather end up

2125
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 5: with the worst version of arm On Membo than the

2126
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 5: worst version of Will Campbell. That's probably true, but you

2127
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 5: shouldn't be drafting with that mentality. That's kind of sad

2128
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 5: if that's how you're approaching it. Yeah, And honestly, if

2129
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,759
Speaker 5: you're gonna draft purely on four, then it's Ashton genty.

2130
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ashton gen is the highest floor of any of

2131
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 1: these guys were talking about. So I do think that

2132
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 1: that is it's an outside the box reason to take

2133
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: armand Membu. Yeah, but it is the best case for

2134
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: Armel Membu, which is that he's going to play tackle.

2135
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 1: It just depends on which side of the formation he's

2136
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: going to be on. At the same time, I grade

2137
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: out Will Campbell higher at tackle than I grade out Membo. Right,

2138
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: And a couple of the other questions on Campbell and

2139
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: Membu that I wanted to get to one other. I'm

2140
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: sorry I lost the email, but I'll just ask the question,

2141
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 1: was you know that Membu had better tape against the

2142
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 1: same competition. They both were in the SEC, they both

2143
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 1: went through the SEC gauntlet last year. The only pushback

2144
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: I would have about that is that I don't think

2145
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: that their past blocking reps were apples to apples. I

2146
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: think Will Campbell had tougher assignments. I think Will Campbell

2147
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: was left more consistently on an island without chip help,

2148
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: without moving pockets, like straight NFL styled rop back passing,

2149
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: compared to Membu, which I thought was a little bit

2150
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: more helped out by Missouri.

2151
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:10,560
Speaker 5: And it's also Missouri's running more RPOs, more play action screens,

2152
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 5: whereas it's it LSU was straight set the pocket. You

2153
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 5: just set the pocket for a guy that had no

2154
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 5: clue where to go in there. But yeah, I'm with

2155
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 5: you on that.

2156
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a little bit of so PFF tracks true

2157
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 1: pass sets. Yeah, that's the which takes out play action screen, RPO,

2158
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: quick game and really measures like the dropbacks where the

2159
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 1: quarterback actually has to hold the ball for a couple beats, right,

2160
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: and you're really pass blocking like in an NFL level.

2161
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: Membo had almost I think it might have been one

2162
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: hundred less true pass sets last year than Will Campbell

2163
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 1: one hundred I think, which is a lot. So Campbell

2164
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 1: by far had the most out of the top six tackles. Right, Yeah,

2165
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't. There were a couple guys that were close,

2166
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 1: like Ursery I think was close, but he had the

2167
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: most they ran, and then Membu had near the bottom.

2168
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 1: So when you talk about like apples to apples, with that,

2169
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 1: I do think that Campbell had the tougher job to do. Yes.

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01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: The other question here from Aiden, which I think is

2171
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,759
Speaker 1: a good question, is that you hear a lot about

2172
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 1: Membo and Banks and their upside and how they're younger players,

2173
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 1: and you don't hear the same for Will Campbell, even

2174
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: though he's a true junior as well and it is

2175
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: coming out with a good athletic profile. I would just

2176
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: say that the upside. People feel like the upside with

2177
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: Campbell is tapped because of the length, like that's what

2178
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: it is, like. They don't think because of history and

2179
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: because of precedent. There isn't a ton of precedent of

2180
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: a thirty three inch t arm tackle turning into an

2181
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,759
Speaker 1: all pro Like there just isn't a lot of that now.

2182
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 1: If you really want to be sunk in on Campbell.

2183
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: I think the one kind of rebuttal to that argument.

2184
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 1: They haven't really tried a lot of thirty three inch

2185
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 1: arm tackles at tackle right. You know, it used to

2186
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: be thirty four, so if you were anything under thirty four,

2187
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: you were automatically kicked inside until Rashawn Slater about five

2188
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 1: years ago, you know, ten years ago, whatever that was,

2189
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: and he kind of changed the threshold. So now you're

2190
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:17,480
Speaker 1: starting to see Rashawn Slater. The Colts have two tackles

2191
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 1: that play it under thirty three inches. Smith and Bernard

2192
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: Raymond both play left and right tackle with sub thirty

2193
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: three inch arms. Caleb McGarry plays right tackle with sub

2194
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: thirty three inch arms. So there's our guys now at

2195
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: the threshold has moved a little bit, that are doing

2196
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: it a little bit more. But none of them have

2197
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: been named to All Pro, Pro Bowl or anything like that.

2198
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 1: Raymond's probably the best player. Yeah, and he's coming the closest.

2199
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 3: And I well know Schlater was an All bro he

2200
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 3: at thirty three.

2201
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Speaker 5: At thirty three, Well, Campbell's at thirty three, So I think, no,

2202
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 5: he is, don't laugh, he is, I'm laughing.

2203
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 3: I also think.

2204
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 5: People are waiting to hear about the upside like after

2205
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 5: last year, right, Marvin Harrison, and probably little too high

2206
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 5: on Marvin Harrison, but like very good player.

2207
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are kind of.

2208
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 5: Waiting to hear about the Marvin Harrison joe all the

2209
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 5: upside because the Patriots are picking that high. That's not

2210
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 5: this draft. The players with that upside aren't there. So

2211
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 5: Campbell's upside maybe isn't that of a typical top five

2212
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 5: pick or you know, four or five sixty seven in

2213
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 5: that range, assuming Carter and Hunter gone again, unless you want.

2214
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 3: To take genty. Nobody has that upside in this draft.

2215
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 1: Nobody does.

2216
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 5: So it's just again, this class is part of why

2217
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 5: the bars just lower. Somebody shared earlier this morning was

2218
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 5: at the twenty twelve NFL draft. The twenty thirteen Yeah,

2219
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 5: we're like this draft could be like that. This draft

2220
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,520
Speaker 5: could very much be like that, where.

2221
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 1: That's DeAndre Hopkins went in like like twenty sixth or

2222
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: something in that draft, which is.

2223
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:48,759
Speaker 5: Cristy, but I mean at the top, Eric Fisher, Luke Jokol,

2224
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 5: Dion Jordan, Lane, Johnson, Ezekiel Onsen, Barcavius Mango, Jonathan Cooper,

2225
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 5: Tevon Austin d Milner, Chance Warmack, I'll keep going DJ Fluker,

2226
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 5: d J. Hayden right, and those are considered the best

2227
01:42:58,600 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 5: players in the draft.

2228
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson is the only good player right.

2229
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 5: But like, and it's different because Eric Fisher went first overall,

2230
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 5: Flip Lane Johnson Eric Fisher right if.

2231
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson went forward because at the time there was

2232
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 1: still a stigma against left and right and Lane Johnson

2233
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: was a right tackle, not a left tackle. He was

2234
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 1: the best tackle in the draft, but he played right tackle,

2235
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: and so teams prioritize.

2236
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 5: But again, it's like, if that's the kind of class,

2237
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 5: if we find out ten years from now that that

2238
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 5: was the class we were looking at, that level of

2239
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 5: talent and they get a guy who starts, they get

2240
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 5: a guy who's a solid starter for ten years. Yeah,

2241
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 5: you feel pretty happy about that compared to what's around him.

2242
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: Well, this is I was texting you about this yesterday

2243
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: because I do listen to your station. This is what

2244
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: Felger was saying all day yesterday was that he doesn't

2245
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 1: think Will Campbell's were at the fourth pick, so he's

2246
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 1: not just picking him. And I was like, I'm sorry,

2247
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: but you can't create a player in Madden and put

2248
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 1: him into the draft so that you can create a

2249
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 1: player that has higher upside than Will Campbell. Like, this

2250
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: is the this is the group you're picking from. So

2251
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 1: tell me who is the player that you feel is

2252
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 1: better than Will Campbell? And I will probably disagree with you, frankly,

2253
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: because the point of the matter is is that all

2254
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: these guys, once you get past Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter,

2255
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Ash and Genty aside, all these other guys are equal.

2256
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 1: They're all the same player to me, Bembo, Campbell, Graham, Warren, like,

2257
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 1: I all have them graded in one big cluster. And

2258
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like we've been saying

2259
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 1: for four months, Yeah, the position outweighs the rest of

2260
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 1: it because there's no other way to displace it up,

2261
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 1: there's no other way to slice the pie. Like, are

2262
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 1: you gonna take an interior run stuffer in Mason Graham

2263
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: or are you gonna take the position to need at

2264
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 1: left tackle? You're gonna take the left tackle. Are gonna

2265
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 1: take the tight end when you have Hunter Henry and

2266
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper? Or are you gonna take the left tackle?

2267
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 1: You're gonna take the left tackle. So that's the type

2268
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: of draft that we're in. That's the deal breaker in

2269
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: a draft like this. Here's a question from Chris. He asks, Uh,

2270
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 1: if you're there at thirty eight and Arianti Ursery and

2271
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons are both on the board, which player are

2272
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 1: you taking? I know, I know your answer to this.

2273
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, if the medicals are clean, I'm

2274
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 1: taking Simmons. But I'm worried about the medicals being clean.

2275
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm surprised you wouldn't consider Simmons. I think

2276
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: Simmons is a better player than Nursery. The medical stuff

2277
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: just scares me. Yeah. The other thing I wanted to

2278
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: bring up about Simmons one of the tidbits that I

2279
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 1: did feel like was worthy of that that was important

2280
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 1: that Mike Frabele shared in the pre draft press conference. Uh.

2281
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,600
Speaker 1: He was asked, I believe it was by Andrew Callahan, like,

2282
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: what's the thing that you've learned about the draft from

2283
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: your time in Tennessee. And in Tennessee they took a

2284
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:41,600
Speaker 1: number of injury risk players. Isaiah Wilson was both. He

2285
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 1: was both an injury risk and a character risk. They

2286
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:46,919
Speaker 1: took a handful of those types of guys in Tennessee,

2287
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 1: and Rabel did point out that injury risk players, they

2288
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 1: got burned by them in Tennessee, and he probably wouldn't

2289
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 1: do that again. And if that's not Josh Simmons, and

2290
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. Right like that, Josh

2291
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Simon sounded Josh Simmons. Now, the only diferences is that

2292
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 1: Josh Emmons went to his alma mater with Ryan Day,

2293
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,960
Speaker 1: who's a good friend of his, so like, maybe they

2294
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:07,639
Speaker 1: have better intel on the injury than he would normally.

2295
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,839
Speaker 1: But that to me sounded a lot like Josh Simmons,

2296
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:12,639
Speaker 1: do you want to play a little game. Let's play

2297
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 1: a little game with one of these emails? Is just

2298
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 1: one of the ones. We're gonna get myself in trouble again,

2299
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, So this is from Noah

2300
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 1: and he basically wants to give me, have us give

2301
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 1: our best argument for and against a couple of different

2302
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 1: players that are against consensus, like not guys that people

2303
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 1: have them taking normally Mason Graham four and against.

2304
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 5: Born against four like for the Patriots specifically, Yeah four.

2305
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 5: You know, you either get Christian Barmore insurance or you're

2306
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 5: just freaking so athletic upfront with him and Barmore and

2307
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:49,679
Speaker 5: Milton Williams, Like, there's not a lot of offensive lines

2308
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 5: that are built to handle that athleticism. The case against

2309
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 5: is assuming Barmore is healthy and you know, knock On Wood,

2310
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 5: it's very early, but he's in the building. It's great

2311
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 5: all that. If he is healthy. He's not coming off

2312
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 5: the field. Milton Williams isn't coming off the field Keon White.

2313
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 5: I don't think it's coming off the field.

2314
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:10,680
Speaker 1: You're using the.

2315
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 5: Fourth overall pick on a guy that's going to be

2316
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 5: a rotational player, using on a guy that's probably not

2317
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:17,800
Speaker 5: gonna be on the field a ton at least initially.

2318
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 5: They need that first round pick to be an impact

2319
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 5: player right away, or you're knocking somebody else out of

2320
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 5: the lineup who has proven more so they can be

2321
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 5: an impact player.

2322
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the four argument is exactly what you said.

2323
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: That is a game wrecking defensive line like Keon White,

2324
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:36,439
Speaker 1: Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, Mason Graham is a heck of

2325
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 1: a group.

2326
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:37,960
Speaker 5: How much are you gonna be able to put all

2327
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 5: those like justify putting those four guys on the field

2328
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 5: at the same time.

2329
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: Yep, that's fair. It could go one of two ways. Yeah,

2330
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: it's either the Philadelphia Eagles, where you just have waves

2331
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: of talent on the defensive line to send at people,

2332
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 1: or it's the Washington football team circa you know, twenty

2333
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:55,840
Speaker 1: nineteen where they use like a bunch of first round

2334
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 1: picks on Alabama defensive lineman and all the only strength

2335
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 1: of their ross was their defensive line and they stunk

2336
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,720
Speaker 1: everywhere else. Right, So those are the four and those

2337
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: are the against you're really putting all your eggs, and

2338
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna be this dominant upfront team on defense and

2339
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: we're just not gonna give up any points in a.

2340
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 5: Draft that's so good at defensive tackle. I think you

2341
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 5: can if you want to recreate what the Eagles had,

2342
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 5: or even you go is I somebody sent me the

2343
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 5: because the thing about, well, do the Giants real they

2344
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 5: want to add Noal Carter because they have all these

2345
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 5: pass rushers. You know, somebody like, yeah, I missed the

2346
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 5: NASCAR defense. Yeah, Like, if you want to recreate that,

2347
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 5: I think you can get guys later in the draft

2348
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 5: to do that. You don't have to do that at four.

2349
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 1: This is an interesting one. It's not gonna happen, but

2350
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 1: it's just for the sake of the exercise for or

2351
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 1: against Jahati Baron Baron from Texas.

2352
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 5: I mean it's kind of like Mason Graham, where like,

2353
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 5: if you have Gonzalez and Carlton Davis on the outside,

2354
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 5: I think Baron's can play the slot. Right, If you

2355
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 5: have those two on the outside and Jaday Baron in

2356
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 5: the slot. Yeah, if Baron is the player people think

2357
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 5: he is, that might be the best cornerback trio in

2358
01:48:58,560 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 5: the league.

2359
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2360
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 5: Do you really want to allocate all your resources that

2361
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:05,679
Speaker 5: heavily to that one position?

2362
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I shouldn't mention this is obviously would be

2363
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:09,240
Speaker 1: in a trade. That be a trade now, Yeah, to

2364
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: get Baron, your argument for and against her are solid. Again, four,

2365
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: you have a nickel corner to complete the secondary. Yeah,

2366
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: that is a complete group with Gonzalez, Carlton Davis and Baron.

2367
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 1: Barn reminds me a ton of Brian Branch. I think

2368
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 1: he can play the nickel. I can think he can

2369
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: play a little bit of safety, physical, feisty, corner ballhowker

2370
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, all around the football a ton That would

2371
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: be a great, great group against Again, it's same thing,

2372
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 1: as Mason Graham, you just had a lot of resources

2373
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:40,640
Speaker 1: sunk in the corner. You might not give up a

2374
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 1: completion on defense, but you're not gonna be able to

2375
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:44,639
Speaker 1: score on offense either, so it's not gonna matter. Yeah,

2376
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 1: that's the against all right, last one here, which is

2377
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 1: interesting but again probably not gonna happen. But fun Jalen

2378
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:58,200
Speaker 1: Milroe at thirty eight four and against. I can't really

2379
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 1: make a case for that. I can't either, And people

2380
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 1: are gonna say, well, he'd be a good wide receiver.

2381
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 5: No, he's gonna get chance play quarterback. Yeah, and I

2382
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 5: think he has a chance to to, you know, make

2383
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:07,679
Speaker 5: plays there.

2384
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2385
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 5: At the end of camp, somebody's quarterback gets hurt, you

2386
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 5: maybe flip them, like if you take him at thirty eight.

2387
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 5: Maybe somebody gets desperate for a quarterback and gives you

2388
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 5: a first round pick next year because they really need one.

2389
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm really reaching here. No, I don't have one.

2390
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:22,639
Speaker 3: That's a tough one.

2391
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: I do. I did like the exercise, but that was

2392
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: the one I couldn't. I couldn't. It's a thinker. I

2393
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: almost didn't even say it. I don't have before obviously

2394
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 1: obvious again, sir obvious. So you have Drake May and

2395
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,000
Speaker 1: you don't need another quarterback. It's the Madden move where.

2396
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 5: The only good enfranchise, the only good player in the draft,

2397
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:42,759
Speaker 5: or the best player in the draft is a position

2398
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 5: you already have loaded, but you draft him because you

2399
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 5: can just trade him immediately after the draft. But that's

2400
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 5: not how the real world works. Here's a case for Madden,

2401
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:51,719
Speaker 5: but not in really.

2402
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 1: A couple more emails, then we'll take these last calls

2403
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 1: and we'll wrap it up. So Ashton, Canada rites in

2404
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 1: with two prospects he's surprised that we don't hear more

2405
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 1: about related to the Patriots. One is Walter Nolan, the

2406
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 1: three technique from Ole, miss The other one is one

2407
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 1: of our favorites, Jihad Campbell from Alabama. So Walter Nolan

2408
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: tapes a little streaky on Walter Nolan, but he's a

2409
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,240
Speaker 1: good player, and I think that he's gonna be a

2410
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 1: good player in the pros if a team can get

2411
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: his motor on, turn that switch on permanently and not

2412
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 1: let it go right, which I thought at times it

2413
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 1: did watching his tape. But a penetrating three technique, it's

2414
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,320
Speaker 1: the same thing with Mason Graham, Like, how many more

2415
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 1: interior penetrating defensive lineman can you possibly have on one roster? Right?

2416
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: You have Milton Williams. You think you're gonna have Christian

2417
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 1: Barr Moore, you have Keon White, Like, they're all kind

2418
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 1: of the same type of player, same type of position overlap. Yeah,

2419
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 1: it just is the same kind of argument. Giodd Campbell

2420
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 1: is an interesting one. He has the shoulder issue. He

2421
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 1: had surgery on his shoulder recently, like really recently, right

2422
01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: after the combine, I want to say, and there is

2423
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 1: some doubt that he'll be ready to go to start

2424
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 1: the season. He could start the year on PUP. If

2425
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 1: he does start the year on pp and people have

2426
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 1: issues with the shoulder, Like, I see they're at thirty eight,

2427
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,439
Speaker 1: and do you start to entertain g Hot Campbe because

2428
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:14,240
Speaker 1: I think he's a first rounder all day. Yeah, but

2429
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 1: the injury might push him down.

2430
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:17,640
Speaker 5: See that's where more comfortable taking the risks with an

2431
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 5: injury player. It's also a shoulder, it's not like a

2432
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 5: knee or an ankle. Right, Yeah, I like get Campbell.

2433
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2434
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 5: I think the reason we haven't talked and I really

2435
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 5: like Walter Nolan. I think did Trager have him go

2436
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 5: in like eleven or twelve.

2437
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna go high this morning. He's Gonnai people

2438
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 1: team sniffing around.

2439
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:33,680
Speaker 5: That's the guy Trags keeps texting me about for Cincinnati.

2440
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:38,599
Speaker 5: Walter Nolan. Yeah, we haven't talked about him, just because

2441
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 5: he's in between. Like it'd be a trade way down

2442
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 5: or a trade way up. If Campbell falls, I'd probably

2443
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 5: take him. I take the risk on the injury him.

2444
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 5: Robert Splane, those guys are gonna crack skulls. There a

2445
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 5: second level that'd be a really fun group. That's a

2446
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 5: case where as much as we've heart we've harped on

2447
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 5: drafting for knee throughout this process, there are certain guys

2448
01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 5: that are just so good, especially later on, Like if

2449
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 5: they don't feel like they if they get the tackle

2450
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 5: for they don't feel like they're pressed to get a receiver. Yeah,

2451
01:53:05,479 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 5: Gihad Cambc's are a really good football Player's nothing wrong

2452
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:08,720
Speaker 5: with adding a guy like that.

2453
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 1: I'd be really I'm interested to see. I think there's

2454
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 1: an argument, and I'm not necessarily saying I'm making it,

2455
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:18,679
Speaker 1: but there is an argument Jalen Walker versus Gihod Campbell,

2456
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 1: Like I think that's maybe a little bit closer than

2457
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 1: some people make it out.

2458
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 5: I think Walker is the higher ceiling and that's why

2459
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:26,839
Speaker 5: he's getting more looks. But like because he's a tweener

2460
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:29,600
Speaker 5: and there's more development there, Giodd Campbell's gonna come in

2461
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 5: right away and be a damn good linebacker.

2462
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I just think Giodd Campbell's got a little bit more

2463
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 1: size and a little bit more length. Like I think

2464
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:38,200
Speaker 1: his edge rushing tape might actually be better than Jalen Walker.

2465
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 1: He reminds me of like Levonte David. I could see that. Yeah, yeah,

2466
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 1: I think it's really.

2467
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,840
Speaker 5: His rushing tape is good. Which stands out to me

2468
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:49,560
Speaker 5: is he's such a good coverage linebacker. Yeah, like in

2469
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:52,840
Speaker 5: space and there are not, you know, not every not

2470
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 5: a lot of Fred Warners flowing around the league, and

2471
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 5: that maybe a little lofty of a camp but on

2472
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:01,879
Speaker 5: my comp yeah, Tremaine Edmonds, Oh yeah, okay.

2473
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, really athletic. He's got that like soccer goalie thing

2474
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 1: going on, where like you got to throw around him

2475
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field of the great wingspan. Uh,

2476
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 1: extremely good in space, smart coverage, can spy quarterbacks. Yeah,

2477
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: good football player. All right, Pedro in Brazil. It's a

2478
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 1: big market for US now these days, alex So shout

2479
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:24,519
Speaker 1: out to Brazil. Uh, he said, outside of the first round,

2480
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 1: who would you put your money on that? At the

2481
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: end of the draft, this player will be a Patriot.

2482
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 1: This is the Jack Sawyer question. I'm just gonna say it.

2483
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the obviously. Now I'm gonna go.

2484
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 5: Look, the only guy so I try not to double

2485
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 5: up in mock drafts the last couple of years, I

2486
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 5: have in the first round because they're picking so high

2487
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 5: with Drake May and Will Campbell. This year, there's only

2488
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:47,840
Speaker 5: one other guy Wh've doubled up on in the last

2489
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 5: two years, Yeah, in mock drafts.

2490
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 1: And that is Drew Kendall. Yeah, so I think I

2491
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of have to say Drew Kendall. Yeah, that's a

2492
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 1: good one. Jacksaw is a good one to Jack Sawyer.

2493
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 1: Drew Kendo obviously, big oz Ozzi Trapilo from Boston College.

2494
01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 5: So I don't think so because he's a right tackle. No,

2495
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 5: not because I don't think they like him. I think

2496
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 5: he's gonna go kind of higher than people expect. Yeah,

2497
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:09,920
Speaker 5: and I don't know that he's gonna go where they

2498
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 5: would take him. He might go between thirty eight and sixty.

2499
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 5: They're not gonna take him at thirty eight, it's too

2500
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 5: I he might go before sixty nine and they might

2501
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 5: not have a chance to get him. So he's another

2502
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 5: donut guy. I think they'd love to take him.

2503
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 1: I do.

2504
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 5: I think he's their kind of guy. If it's profile.

2505
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 5: He's at BC with Moron and all that. Yeah, and

2506
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 5: he would be a good pick if they If you

2507
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 5: fall sixty nine, yeah, I wonder if somebody else is

2508
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 5: going to ruin that for them.

2509
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 1: Fair enough? All right, let's take these last two calls,

2510
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:38,160
Speaker 1: and then we got to wrap it up. I know

2511
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 1: we got a ton of emails and then we really

2512
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I'm sorry that we didn't get to

2513
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:45,280
Speaker 1: all of them, but there's just too many. So we'll

2514
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:47,640
Speaker 1: get to some of them next week maybe. But Eldred

2515
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 1: is in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred? Good question?

2516
01:55:55,560 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 2: Make it real quick. I four, I want to trade

2517
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:01,320
Speaker 2: up to get him.

2518
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 10: Would y'all take that trade?

2519
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 6: Or would you do a big gent?

2520
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:08,320
Speaker 8: And then what are y'all hearing about Darian Porter?

2521
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 7: Is he?

2522
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 8: Uh?

2523
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,160
Speaker 4: Third round round? Boss Jack?

2524
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:12,800
Speaker 5: And I take it off.

2525
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 1: Who is that? I think it was Darian Porter, you said,

2526
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:19,880
Speaker 1: Aldrin the corner corner back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for

2527
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: call Aldrick appreciated. Uh. First question was about genty right, Yeah.

2528
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 5: Would you take the trader? Would you take him? If

2529
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 5: it's a good trade I'm taking.

2530
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 1: I would take the trades, yep. I would take the

2531
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 1: trade first and then I and then uh maybe think

2532
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 1: about taking gent but I take the trade, yep. And uh.

2533
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 1: Darian Porter really good athlete.

2534
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 3: This is the kind of guy.

2535
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 5: If they they don't need a boundary corner, that's like

2536
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:42,160
Speaker 5: the lowest position in need. But if they, if they

2537
01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 5: hadn't signed Carlton Davis, you guys would have been sick

2538
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 5: of hearing me talk about Darian Porter.

2539
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:48,000
Speaker 1: You know how ages I am.

2540
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 3: He's gonna be twenty four year old.

2541
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 1: Okay, reminds me of Quall and a lot though a

2542
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:54,760
Speaker 1: little bit of trek walling in his game. How long

2543
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 1: it took that guy to care to matter?

2544
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 7: Though?

2545
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:01,320
Speaker 1: Like one, no, no, Darian, Like this is the only

2546
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:03,520
Speaker 1: year that he started full time in Iowa. That's true.

2547
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 1: Like he he literally he's the definition of like I mean,

2548
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,320
Speaker 1: did block three punts while these planets I am a

2549
01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 1: man amongst boys, like I am twenty four years old

2550
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 1: playing against nineteen year olds, and they shows. That's the

2551
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 1: only thing I'd worry about. With Darien Porter, I didn't.

2552
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:18,840
Speaker 1: He also didn't play a ton of man to man,

2553
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 1: and I at Iowa. He's more of like a zone corner. Yeah,

2554
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 1: but really really good.

2555
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 3: He's gonna go to Vegas and be nasty.

2556
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, a good good comp to Grequelle. Craig is in

2557
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 1: Ohio but originally from Providence. What's up, Craig?

2558
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 10: Hey, how you doing?

2559
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:33,680
Speaker 1: Hey?

2560
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:35,440
Speaker 10: All right?

2561
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Speaker 6: So I have twoth eggs that quit. First thing is

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Speaker 6: is I'll be in from Rhode isowad not having a

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Speaker 6: college man living out here in Ohio. That's all I

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Speaker 6: hear about.

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Speaker 8: All day long, and it's annoying.

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Speaker 6: Nomber two. I hear everybody's case against Will Campbell. But

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Speaker 6: my thing I always come back to is I always

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Speaker 6: say that he only gave up four stacks. So what

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Speaker 6: is the case for him being a guard if he's

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Speaker 6: only given up four sacks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Thanks for the call, Craig. I think this in general,

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Speaker 1: and this is not a Will Campbell take. This is

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Speaker 1: a general take. I don't really believe that the production base,

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Speaker 1: like the charting metrics for college tackles, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that that holds much weight going to the NFL because

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Speaker 1: so much of that is fluffed up by screens and

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Speaker 1: RPOs and quick game throws and all this kind of

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01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't necessarily happen at the same volume as

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Speaker 1: the at the NFL level. Like armand Membu gave up

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Speaker 1: eight pressures the entire season last year at Missouri eight

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Speaker 1: all hurries, no sacks, no quarterback hits. But how many

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Speaker 1: of those dropbacks were screens? How many of those dropbacks

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Speaker 1: were bootlegs? How many of those dropbacks were RPOs? Right,

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Speaker 1: So a lot of those metrics are not exactly We

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Speaker 1: don't see a ton of that being predictive like that.

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01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:02,640
Speaker 1: That is, this guy gave up x amount of saxon college,

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01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 1: so he's going to be a good pro. The data

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Speaker 1: would tell you that it's not necessarily predictive like that,

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Speaker 1: So you just have to keep that stuff in mind.

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Speaker 1: All right, last call here, Cuba is in Atlanta. What's up, Cuba?

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Speaker 13: Hey, I wanted to act about jalend. Nobody heres asked

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01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 13: the vote or said what kind of gets shorter? In

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01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:25,280
Speaker 13: the ready has so we'll that affect him. We will

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Speaker 13: go to affect a steam on what they do tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I think that all right, Thanks for the call, so

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Speaker 1: Jalen Polk. I think we're all in the boat, at

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Speaker 1: least me personally. I guess I should say of expecting

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Speaker 1: the worst and hoping for the best, Like I hope

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Speaker 1: that he can that last year was you know, an aberration,

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Speaker 1: and he breaks out this year, and I hope that

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Speaker 1: it works out. I do. Uh. There's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of precedent for a receiver being really uh, non contributor

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Speaker 1: as a rookie and then suddenly block coming into a

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Speaker 1: really productive player. There just isn't there's guys that have

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Speaker 1: done it. You know, DeVante Adams is always kind of

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Speaker 1: the poster child for this. But DeVante Adams put up

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Speaker 1: some numbers as a rookie, like he had some production.

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Speaker 1: You hear a lot about like the five hundred yard club,

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Speaker 1: Like if you hit five hundred yards as a rookie,

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Speaker 1: you're on your way to being a really good NFL player.

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Speaker 1: There's just not a ton of president for guys that

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Speaker 1: have caught as few passes as Jalen Polk going on

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Speaker 1: to be productive NFL players. I think at this point

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Speaker 1: you can safely say Jalen Polk's ceiling is probably like

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Speaker 1: on an NFL roster.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think they need a

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Speaker 5: rush to move on from them. Bring him into camp,

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Speaker 5: see where he's at. But yeah, I don't think he

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Speaker 5: necessarily cement many plans or anything.

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Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, all right, that does it for today's show.

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Speaker 1: I wish we could get to all these emails, but

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Speaker 1: we'd be here for another hour and we just can't

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Speaker 1: swing that. So I apologize to all the emailers that

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Speaker 1: emailed in and we weren't able to get to you.

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Speaker 1: But we'll be back next week and we'll recap the draft.

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Speaker 1: It will be a big show. We'll go pick bike

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Speaker 1: pick like we always do and recap the draft one

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Speaker 1: at a time, and hopefully there'll be plenty of discussion

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Speaker 1: about what the Patriots do over the next couple of

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Speaker 1: days for us next week. But until next time, do

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Speaker 1: I are going to need a bud light on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe ten bud lights on Sunday. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you next week. Enjoy the Draft.

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Speaker 3: Joy the Draft.

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