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Speaker 2: new questions tasks. You're going to get us started. I

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Speaker 2: want to know the most overrated team or player heading

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Speaker 3: I'll get it started here, but I'll say first, it's

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Speaker 3: an honor if I bestow the title of overrated plan

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Speaker 3: of player. I did it for Janice at the Takumpo

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Speaker 3: It's funny because I'm going to pick his teammate. His

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Speaker 3: It's not that DJ Augustine and Brent Forbes really make

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Speaker 3: I'm almost overrating him. I'm just one of those guys

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Speaker 3: that I've loved him forever. We've said he's overrated in

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you he's overrated because everybody sort of gave

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Speaker 3: So he's overrated, he's underrated. He'll be perfectly rated at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go go to his New Orleans days with Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we all watched that series against the Blazers a

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Speaker 4: He wasn't able to take the Pelicans to the next level.

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Speaker 2: But now he's in the third spot. That's probably where

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean going back to Holiday. This was largely because,

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Speaker 2: Like, let's get Drew should be better.

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Speaker 5: He's shown to be a little bit more consistent, a

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Speaker 5: Bledsoe continually let that team down in the playoffs, and

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Speaker 5: the Bucks simply had to move on, and Drew Holliday

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Speaker 5: But that's that's what That's what you have to do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Drew Holiday might be the greatest acquisition in

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Speaker 5: So they end Yeah, a star player like that. If

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Speaker 2: And it's not questioning that, right because liton holes are

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Speaker 3: But yeah, if you want to jump to a conclusion

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Speaker 3: this season, Drew Holliday was playing post defense on Yiannis

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Speaker 2: So the Bucks are such a frustrating team to talk

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Speaker 2: team or player, Lee, We'll go to you next. So

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Speaker 5: I'm really until it's kind of the same with them

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Speaker 5: I'm not in on the Clippers right now. I rarely

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Speaker 5: a lot of this, a significant amount of this falls

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Speaker 5: He got what he wanted there in LA last year.

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Speaker 5: There's no question he's at his best. He's an MVP candidate.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's a star player. We saw him in

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Speaker 5: one who needs to take some of the brunt of that.

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Speaker 5: But Kawhi, it's Kawhi's team first out there in LA

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Speaker 5: major failure by the Clippers that that really is a

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Speaker 5: bad end of the season. So I think what Kauhi

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Because you know, Montrez Harrell left in the off season,

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Speaker 5: what's going to happen. Are they going to blow it?

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Speaker 5: Because blowing a three to one lead.

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Speaker 5: And then we heard all about the chaos in the

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Speaker 5: this guy doesn't do that. So that falls back to

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Speaker 2: I love about your Clippers, tinks Lee. It differs in

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Speaker 2: a lot of people's because, yeah, they blow the three

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Speaker 2: The problem with that is was he ever that? Has

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Speaker 5: But he is by default because he gets whatever he wants.

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Speaker 5: The franchise does what. The franchise did what Kawhi wanted

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Speaker 5: get Paul George. To me, there's no clear it's clearly

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Speaker 5: better than he was. But if you ask for everything

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Speaker 5: to sort of be like, Okay, you know what, I

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Speaker 5: I am. I mean, that's the thing, Like it worked

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Speaker 4: Well, why did it work in Toronto because he wasn't

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Speaker 4: I think it's a totally different situation coming to the

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Speaker 4: just not his strength so far, because he hasn't had

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Speaker 4: they'd lost in the playoffs a lot of times. They'd

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Speaker 4: Paul George, he you know, I'm taking my oath to

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Speaker 4: same direction. I'm a little confident in the Clippers this year.

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Speaker 4: I was confident in them last year. They were still

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Speaker 2: They did have a three to one lead.

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Speaker 4: I hate this take where you're like, the only way

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Speaker 2: I don't think it makes sense.

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Speaker 4: But they still were a half away from advancing to

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Speaker 4: the Western Conference finals. They're not far off their team.

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Speaker 4: I think that Sergiabaca is gonna help. It seems like

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Speaker 4: to have as a sounding board, somebody he can really

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Speaker 4: I think thought they were jumping the line last year.

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Speaker 4: They were acting like they'd won a title already and

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Speaker 4: and that was the problem. Montrez Harral, Pat Beverley, Lou Williams.

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Speaker 4: the Clippers. Now Kawhi needs to make the team over

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Speaker 4: be a better leader. Maybe Surge does help with that,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think the Clippers are that far off.

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Speaker 2: What do you think tasks? You know, will you believe

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Speaker 2: not be really truly convinced. It sounds like unless you're

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Speaker 2: But what do you think, tas.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to prove it until they make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: But I think the regular season is going to be

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Speaker 3: to me in that they'll be better. They'll be better

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Speaker 3: Talent got the Clippers to three to one, and then

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Speaker 3: of injuries. And then in the situation, I think that

430
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,000
Speaker 3: it goes unsaid too. It was like half their rotation

431
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,160
Speaker 3: was in and out there and so there was never

432
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,920
Speaker 3: any chemistry. And all those reports throughout the year, Jovan

433
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,240
Speaker 3: Buha did a great job on the athletic true. Yeah

434
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,520
Speaker 3: they're true. Yeah they were They were entirely true. And

435
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 3: they didn't compensate for them in March and April and

436
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 3: in May and June, July and August. They just never

437
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 3: did TK.

438
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Speaker 2: Who do you have for an overrated team or player?

439
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm reigniting a beef skeets.

440
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 4: I think the Beantown Boys are a little bit overrated.

441
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 4: This year. People are talking talking them up as a

442
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 4: potential Finals contender because they've been a Finals contender for

443
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 4: what the past three seasons, basically starting with the Kyrie

444
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 4: Irving Gordon Hayward signings. That's when they kind of got

445
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,840
Speaker 4: in the mix as an Eastern Conference contender. Their starting

446
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 4: lineup is still really good, Kemba Walker, Marcus Smart, Jason Tatum,

447
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 4: Jalen Brown, Daniel Tice. That's the two guys who were

448
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 4: All Stars, one who might be an All Star. I

449
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,160
Speaker 4: got Jalen Brown as a first time or this year.

450
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,440
Speaker 4: But if any of those guys get hurt, they are

451
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 4: in trouble because once you look at their reserves. You

452
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 4: can check out John Hollinger's preview at the Athletic. You

453
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 4: can subscribe at the Athletic dot slash no dunks the

454
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 4: rotation reserves. Tell me if you've heard of any of

455
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,120
Speaker 4: these people. Peyton Pritchard, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nee Smith, Grant Williams,

456
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 4: Tristan Thompson. You know those last two because they got

457
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 4: big old booties. But these are not guys who are

458
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 4: gonna be lighting up the scoreboard. Celtics struggled to score

459
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 4: in the half court last season. Kemba Walker will be

460
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 4: returning from injury. We don't know what he's gonna look

461
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 4: like when he gets back. He had some moments in

462
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 4: the bubble where he looked good, and he had some

463
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 4: moments in the bubble where he looked like he was

464
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 4: really struggling out there. Gordon Hayward was certainly missed against

465
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Speaker 4: the Miami Heat. Obviously, now he is a Charlotte Hornet,

466
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 4: and he wasn't really replaced because by the time the

467
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 4: Hornets acquired Hayward, there weren't a lot of good.

468
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 2: Wings out there.

469
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 4: So the Celtics they got a nice starting five, they

470
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 4: got a great coach. I don't mind the Tristan Thompson signing.

471
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 4: It could have perhaps been used a little better somewhere

472
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 4: on the wing. But there are a lot of young

473
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Speaker 4: guys who could have a lot of responsibility on the Celtics.

474
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Speaker 2: One injury and they're in trouble. Yeah yeah, And I

475
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: mean Kemball already of course banged up, but you're right.

476
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 2: I mean one even sort of not drastic injury, but

477
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 2: injury guy puts them out for three or four weeks

478
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: to Tatum or Brown. That's uh yeah, they're then asking

479
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of young guys behind them

480
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 2: to be thrown into the fire and see if they

481
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: can do it. And this team was awesome, like offensively

482
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: and defensively last year. I think they were top four

483
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: in terms of efficiency, which is incredible. I mean, that's

484
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: why you have to consider them like a legit sort

485
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: of title contender because they play on both sides of

486
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Speaker 2: the ball. But I'm with you, they are very very thin.

487
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 2: But the Bean Town boys are gonna be pissed. That's

488
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: the other thing.

489
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Speaker 4: It's always fun to stir the pot, stir that pot

490
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 4: of gold for those little leper.

491
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Speaker 2: I love that pick. No, Brad want to make it too?

492
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: Who they turned to? Yeah, he's on the Warriors. You're right,

493
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: all right? Well, my obvious answer for an overrated player

494
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: is Lakers forward Kyle Kuzma. But I'm just gonna leave

495
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 2: it at that because I got a spicier take, and

496
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: I want to preface my overrated player selection here by

497
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Speaker 2: saying that my guy that I'm saying is overrated is

498
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: just twenty years old. Okay. He averaged twenty two and

499
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: six in just twenty four NBA career games up to

500
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: this point, he's likely going to be a ten time

501
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: All Star, probably ten time All NBA by the time

502
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,239
Speaker 2: it's all said and done. But Zion Williamson as a

503
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: highlight factory, Okay, that's the specific part here is terribly overrated.

504
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: Everybody kept telling me this guy's gonna be the next

505
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: Blake Griffin. He's gonna be the next Charles Barkley, Shawn

506
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: Camp whoever. What were his highlights from his rookie year?

507
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: What would you guys say they are? They're not that impressive.

508
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 2: He hit three three pointers? Yeah, hit four three pointers

509
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: in his first game. Wow, that was crazy. What is

510
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: this guy? Ray Allen? He had one oop I remember

511
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: that he sort of caught behind the backboard and sort

512
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: of readjusted for like a nice finish, beautiful, And then

513
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: he had a handful of like nice swap blocks and

514
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: then some like big oops, like like ones where Lonzo's

515
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: throwing it from half court and he goes up and

516
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: gets it, but not on anybody that was it. He

517
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: didn't catch a single body, is what I'm saying. Lee,

518
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: No first degree Moskov murder. Instead, he's just stealing candy

519
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: bars from a convenience store. That's what he's given us.

520
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: John Moran did more highlights in one week than Zion

521
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: Williamson did all season long. Is my point. Zion Williamson's

522
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: overrated as a highlight factor.

523
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 5: I was at the Fortress for his first preseason game,

524
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 5: and I think his first possession was a dunk in traffic,

525
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, wow, this is nice. But

526
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 5: that was maybe his best dunk for the season, you know,

527
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 5: because he was injured shortly up. He had a sort

528
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 5: of bully ball moment there with Steven Adams.

529
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be on the shortlist too.

530
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 4: Like I went and watched the Endgo Masket once upon

531
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 4: a time as well.

532
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: He he had a ten minute clip on NBA's YouTube page.

533
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: I watched the whole thing last night and it's like, yeah,

534
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: there's a couple where he just like sort of bullies guys.

535
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he didn't dunk on anybody. I had

536
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: a single dunk on a guy really to me, I know, yeah, right.

537
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: Where Zion's highlights are. His highlight is his ability to jump.

538
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: That's what it is. You watch him and he can

539
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: jump as a guy who's two eighty five. That's the

540
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: most spectacular part of him. Going to the lane.

541
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Speaker 2: It's a good point.

542
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 3: It's almost like Derreck Rose is like finishes his layups

543
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: fancy schmancy. Those arms are moving all over the place,

544
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: but they're not really you know, it's not catching anybody.

545
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 3: It's just it's just awesome to watch him jump off

546
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 3: the floor as a two eighty five guy. But then

547
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: he lays it up. He's not really dunking.

548
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: All the time, right right, right.

549
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: I just you you're doing a little hedge in there too.

550
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 3: This is what you're you're gen hedgering a little bit there. Hell,

551
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: well you're not saying Zion Williamson is overrating. Yeah, his

552
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: highlights over drunk.

553
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm not that insane.

554
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 4: Major hedge, major hedge. This is gonna be your task

555
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 4: Melacy on this on the Takumpo moment. Zion's awesome. He shot,

556
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: He's shot nearly seventy percent in the lane. Maybe they're

557
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 4: not all dunks, but he makes almost every single shot

558
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 4: he takes. He's twenty years old. This guy's incredible.

559
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: It's awesome. It's really boring, fantastic. And I'll tell you what,

560
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: of anyone that likes offense, I thought you would be

561
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: in my back. Your favorite player is Kyle Lowry. Kyle Lowry,

562
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: I want to pick it, wasn't you know? Selling He's

563
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: not out there like as the billboard. Oh you gotta

564
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: get him in Christmas. Terrible take, terrible take, but lay up,

565
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: another layup, another layup. Alright, what's the name of our show?

566
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: John Moran his ten? What's the name of the show.

567
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: It's a horribly named podcast called but he is a starter,

568
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: so we can.

569
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 4: Get that worst take a worst take than Zion is

570
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: the most overrated guy that this is a horrible name

571
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 4: for a podcast.

572
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

573
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: Tongue in cheek man hashtag sarcasm, Let me ta tag

574
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: hedge hashtag trash take. Oh my god, what were you

575
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: about to say? Lee?

576
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: Uh? Oh.

577
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 5: I will say one thing about Zion. He's got a

578
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 5: nice handle for a big guy. And I think that

579
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 5: is going to translate into like a it's almost like

580
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 5: a Charles Barkley type of dunk at some point. And

581
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: what I mean by that, he's gonna get the ball

582
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 5: on the perimeter. You know, he doesn't, he doesn't lose

583
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 5: his handle. He gets in, he rows it, but throws

584
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 5: it behind his back and then he's going to see

585
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 5: someone come to challenge him and dunk on him. That's

586
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 5: where it's gonna come from. That's my that's my take,

587
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 5: all right.

588
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him dunk on somebody. Hey, throw it.

589
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: Throw a nice pass to every once in a while.

590
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: What was what was his best highlight assist wise?

591
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: He had an assist in his very first game. He

592
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: grabbed a rebound and zipped it up the court for

593
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 4: a full quart.

594
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: And it was probably number two on the top ten plays.

595
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 2: From me, my point is they're jamming him down our

596
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: throat like he's a highlight factory. Yeah, he's in the

597
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: All Star Game. He'll be amazing.

598
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: It's it's funny. I know you guys aren't into fantasy

599
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: this year, but where do you think Zion Williamson was

600
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 3: selected in fantasy? Is he underrated or overrated? It's you know,

601
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: you would think so, you would think so, here's the

602
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: thirty sixth pick in my fantasy draft.

603
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 5: He is, Well, I'm imagining a rebound in jury. Well, well,

604
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 5: the injuries as well. I'm guessing that's a bit of

605
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 5: a factor.

606
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: It's a factor. It is a factor. People are waiting

607
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: to see him. Yeah, for a quote unquote big. He

608
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: doesn't board, doesn't block shots at this point of his career,

609
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: but he's going to turn it off. It is, it's

610
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 3: a something. It's almost beneficial for him that he played

611
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: that many games and only that many games, because he

612
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: didn't go through that rookie wall type thing. He's he

613
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: learned a lot in just playing those twenty four games.

614
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: I think he's going to have an incredible second year.

615
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: And maybe I'm patting myself on the back because I

616
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: took him at thirty six. I was, I was. People aren't. Yeah,

617
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: people just weren't super duper high on his ceiling. But

618
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: I guess it's the injury, and it is the injury.

619
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: So what was he your second or third pick? How

620
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: many teams are third pick? Who are your first two picks?

621
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: Now?

622
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: I'm curious the Luke and Ben Simmons.

623
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: Listen, then this is the keeper league. You're killing it,

624
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: my man.

625
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen to this crazy draft. Listen to this creat

626
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: It will only take two seconds here. But you know

627
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: how you get like an auto draft before the draft,

628
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 3: and you get your your slot where you're picking, you

629
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: can actually preset your desired spot in those in those picks.

630
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: So let's say I'm picked first, Like my my number

631
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: comes up first, I can pick that I want to

632
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: pick fifth or tenth or twelfth. It's like totally my

633
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: option where I pick. You know, you have the option

634
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: to select where you pick depending on where your numbers

635
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: draft or your numbers picked. You know what I mean,

636
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: So you pre select where you want a draft from.

637
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: I had no idea that you could do.

638
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: On. Hold on, you're saying what I could. If we

639
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 2: were four guys in this league, we would I could say, well,

640
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: I want the number one pick.

641
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: Pre draft, pre draft, Yeah, pre draft. If we all

642
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: just said we all want the number one pick, whoever

643
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: gets picked first would take the number one pick. But

644
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: nobody wanted the number one pick just because of the

645
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: way the snake situation went down. Uh, so I was

646
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: left with them because even if I was picked twelfth,

647
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: nobody wanted number one. So I selected number one. I

648
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: took the loop anyways, Cool story bro Fantasy Cool story

649
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: brom moving.

650
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: Up most underrated team or player heading into the season,

651
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: tray you get it started. Who's underrated? Zion Williamson? Yeah

652
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: knew you're jk JK j k JK.

653
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: My real most under rated player this year is Russell Westbrook.

654
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: It's almost a reverse Drew Holliday. Everybody remembers how bad

655
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: Russ was in the playoffs for the Rockets. Eighteen points

656
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: a game, he shot forty twenty four percent from the

657
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 4: field or from three, and he had four turnovers per game.

658
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: It was not good for Russell Westbrook, especially not for

659
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 4: basically the entirety of the bubble where he was recovering

660
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: from a COVID nineteen diagnosis and a knee injury. But

661
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: during the regular season we were talking about Westbrook maybe

662
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: playing the best basketball of his career. He finished twenty

663
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: seven a game, eight rebounds, seven assists, playing almost as

664
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: a small ball for almost as a small ball five

665
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: for the Rockets. The team was built around him and

666
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: James Harden, obviously putting them in the best situations to succeed.

667
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: Now he's going to go play on a Wizard's team

668
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: against the whole bunch of point guards who haven't had

669
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: to deal with Russell Westbrook for the entirety of the season.

670
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: You know, he's been in the West his whole career.

671
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: Now he's coming over the East. There's a bunch of

672
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: bad defensive point guards over here. He's gonna light them up,

673
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: and there's gonna be a ton of spacing for the Wizards.

674
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: They're not going to ask him to play defense. They're

675
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: just going to give him free reign to get inside

676
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: and score at the hoop. He'll probably take some possessions

677
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 4: away from Bradley Beal. Surely Beal's scoring numbers will go down,

678
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: but I think that could be good for the Wizards.

679
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: That'll save Beal a little bit, let him be a

680
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: little bit more efficient, whereas Westbrook can sop up some possessions,

681
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: get buckets and kind of, you know, remind people that, yeah,

682
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: I was terrible in the bubble. It wasn't my best,

683
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: it wasn't my MVP season. But I think Westbrook is

684
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: still in the All Star conversation. I think he puts

685
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: the Wizards very close to the playoffs, if not in

686
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: the playoffs, past the play in tournament, I think they

687
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: could get up to the seventh seen. I think that's

688
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: certainly a possibility with this team. I'm probably drinking too

689
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: much of the preseason juice, but I like seeing somebody score,

690
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: and I like seeing Westbrook. I want to see what

691
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 4: he does against a bunch of players that aren't quite

692
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: as familiar with his game.

693
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it's even a lock that Bradley Beal's

694
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: numbers drop like drastically too. I think it wasn't it.

695
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: Dan Devine pointing out that Westbrook has played with a

696
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: lot of guys who, like, oh yeah, either lead the

697
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: league in scoring or top three. Obviously playing with Durant

698
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: for a long time helps, but even James Harden. So yeah,

699
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's that far fetch to

700
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: see Bill still averaging, you know, close to thirty a

701
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: game playing alongside Westbrook. Okay, that is a good one.

702
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: Russ underrated maybe a little bit heading in to is

703
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: what season is he at for him? Yeah, that sounds right.

704
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: Twelve or thirteen would be my guess. But in the

705
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference, Russell Westbrook, who do you got lee underrated

706
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: team more player? Well, I think it's the Raptors.

707
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 5: I'm going with the Raptors because I think we overlook

708
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: them well, but I think overall, you look at the

709
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 5: Raptors in your way, certainly the way that Nick Nurse

710
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: gets everything out of his players, I think the Raptors

711
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 5: that are a fairly deep team going in now, if

712
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 5: everyone's at their best. If Kyle's at his best, you

713
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 5: know he's going to fight and compete no matter what

714
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 5: he does.

715
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: That's great.

716
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: He's a great leader out there. Pascal, I think is

717
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 5: going to be back. He's improved the last two seasons overall,

718
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 5: and he didn't have a great bubble in the end,

719
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 5: certainly down there against the Celtics, and that was largely,

720
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 5: I think to do with matchups. I think Jalen Brown

721
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 5: was just a terrible matchup for him, and he really

722
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 5: he really defeated Pascal in that matchup. But I think

723
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: Pascal overall, young guy, he's going to bounce back. We've

724
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 5: seen him be really really good, and he's got some

725
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 5: versatility to his game. He can get inside, he can

726
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: shoot the three and get to the free throw line.

727
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 5: So I'm not ready to give up on Pascal just yet.

728
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: O G.

729
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 5: I think is in for a big season and as well,

730
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 5: like we talked about losing surgeon Marcusold, two big blows

731
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: for sure, But Aaron Baines is a very solid player.

732
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 5: He's going to be filling in that role very very nicely.

733
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 5: And then you go a little bit down further, you've

734
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: got Norm Powell He's a little bit of a feastal

735
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 5: famine guy, no doubt about it. But I think last

736
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 5: season was his best season. He was a little bit

737
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 5: more consistent. And then you've got someone like DeAndre Brembury,

738
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 5: who we saw here in Atlanta. He's another good, decent

739
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 5: guy to have coming in off the bench. There add

740
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 5: to that the young guy Malachi Flynn. People are pretty

741
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 5: excited about him. Bouchet at times had his moment.

742
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: So I think Thomas still forget Matt time, Matt Thomas

743
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: shooting Matt Thomas.

744
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, see more names. Norman Powell is working with Matt Thomas,

745
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: working on a shop.

746
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 5: But the reason I'm mentioning these names is because again

747
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 5: Nick Nurse at times will just go all right, it's

748
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: your night tonight, and this guy will go out there

749
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 5: and perform now and when it comes playoff time, though,

750
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 5: Nick Nurse went back heavily to his his star players,

751
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 5: because again that's what you have to win. But you

752
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: have to manage the regular season where there are more

753
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: minutes for some of those other guys. And Nick Nurse

754
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 5: fantastic coach coming off Coach of the Year. I don't

755
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: know if that's a good thing or bad thing. Maybe he's

756
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: going to get Yeah, you get fired in March. But overall,

757
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: I think at their best, if things break right again

758
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 5: for the Raptors, there's no there's no reason to think

759
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 5: they shouldn't be top four in the Eastern Conference. Again,

760
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 5: if they have injuries, like any team, it's going to

761
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: affect them. But overall, I think, again, this is a

762
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: team that the Raptors have somehow become one of the

763
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 5: model franchises in the NBA over the last six to

764
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 5: eight years. And a lot of that to do is

765
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 5: what they do on the court, but off the court

766
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 5: as well, Messiah Jurry has done an incredible job. And

767
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 5: I just think, yeah, I think I look at the

768
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 5: Raptors and I think there's no way they're like struggling

769
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: to make the playoffs or anything like that, that their

770
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: goal would be fourth in the Eastern Conference. And I

771
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: think it's achievable.

772
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: Second longest playoff streak in the NBA and do it

773
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: active playoff series win streat How you create that correct

774
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: active streak with a playoff series winning correct?

775
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: That is correct?

776
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. I'm glad to hear the VSP is back.

777
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: Aaron Beans very solid player.

778
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: I'm very excited for Bainsy. I may even invest in

779
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 5: a Raptor's jersey with Bainsy on the back because.

780
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: We're going to be leading the parade of the unofficial

781
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: Aaron Beanze Twitter account.

782
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 5: The thing about Aaron Baines when he was with San

783
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 5: Antonio and they won a championship, he barely played. He

784
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 5: was a deep, deep rotation player and then he bounced around.

785
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 5: But he went to Detroit, he went to Boston, and

786
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 5: he went to Phoenix. But he actually and when I've

787
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: seen him play for Australia as well, he's a very

788
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 5: very capable player because he understands his role and he

789
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 5: challenges shot. We know Giannis has dunked on him a

790
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 5: million times and a lot of guys Jar Moran dunked.

791
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: On him last Williams. Yeah, but but that's the thing.

792
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 5: At least he's out there, he's competing, he's gonna he's

793
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: gonna fight.

794
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: How it's going to protection though, if you are getting

795
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 4: dunked on, that's trying the block shots.

796
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: But that at least that's fine.

797
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: You want him at least to not be afraid to

798
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: get dunked on.

799
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: He doesn't care.

800
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 5: And then again in the offensive end. His three point

801
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 5: shot has improved dramatically, so he will be able to

802
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: spread the flour for the Raptors out there. So I

803
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: think the Raptors are very good. I think Baines was

804
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 5: a very very good signing considering they lost both of

805
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: their bigs in free agency.

806
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Do you so you think they could be top four?

807
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 5: He said yes, I mean, like when you look like

808
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 5: like I think Miami. Look the top three I think

809
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 5: are probably Milwaukee, Brooklyn and Boston, and then after that

810
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 5: I think they're as good as Miami at best, and

811
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 5: then exactly like those teams, a few little questions about them,

812
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 5: but I don't think the Raptors look at them and go, well,

813
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 5: we're much worse than the Sixers or the Heat. I

814
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 5: think it's like the Raptors there, and they've got the

815
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 5: continuity again mainly with their stars and their coaching and

816
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 5: just the way they play. So you know, this is

817
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 5: incredible to look at the Raptors season in season out

818
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 5: and think, yeah, they're a playoff team there, Yeah, there

819
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 5: are the playoffs.

820
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: I mean for so long it.

821
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 5: Was like they were out of playoff contention two weeks

822
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 5: into the season, remember, and I was just like, here

823
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: we go again, they're three and sixteen, like they just I.

824
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: Mean, it was it was, That's what it felt like.

825
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: And now I know, man, we were for season tickets.

826
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: I'm well aware.

827
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 5: And now you look at the team and you're just like, yeah,

828
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 5: I mean they're just a consistent, well run team that

829
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 5: understands what they're supposed to do.

830
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: And again, Kyle, you need to walk up Messi Ugerie

831
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: and Bobby Webster is their next big thing.

832
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, But Kyle Larry, you know, he's going to

833
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 5: give everything he's got until he's literally dragged off the court.

834
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 5: And that, to me is really what embeds that team

835
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 5: when your leader is like he takes those charges, he

836
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 5: wins games for his team. You know, he has his

837
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 5: moments where he takes a couple of those shots a

838
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 5: little bit early in the shot clock, but overall, Kyle

839
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 5: gives everything for that team, and that's what you need.

840
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: I got one question with Beans, all right, and I

841
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: don't want to upset the Twitter account or the fan club.

842
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: Is he Australian or is he news or is he

843
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: a Kiwi? Because he was born in New Zealand.

844
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 5: Right, he was born in New Zealand, but he's played

845
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 5: for Australia the last couple of you know, world championships

846
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 5: at Olympics and things like that. So I mean, I

847
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 5: guess once you that that's the the country that you

848
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 5: represent in the international sporting field, is the country you.

849
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: Are, you know what I mean?

850
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: Like like Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving was born in Australia,

851
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 5: but Kyrie Irving is America. He's not Australian. So that's

852
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 5: what I'm saying with Bainsy.

853
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: So did Beans grow up in Australia from young young?

854
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: It was about I believe, I'd have to check.

855
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 5: I think he was about six or seven when he

856
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: moved to Australia. So he's you know, yeah he's Australia.

857
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can be more. You can be from more

858
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: than one country. You got eighteen passports man, yeah yeah yeah,

859
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 3: sergery marker places for Spain. You know. Yeah.

860
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: Well I just like that's what I mean. I know

861
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: that Australia like they they they have Beans like you

862
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: guys rep for him. But I was wondering, are people

863
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: from New Zealand like no, No, he's our guy. That's

864
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: that's he's ours. But I guess I hear that well, I.

865
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 5: Think I think it goes like this. Officially, so he

866
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 5: moved to Australia when he was three years old. I'm

867
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: just looking here on.

868
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: He was he was three or old, but he probably

869
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: looked like an eight year old.

870
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, he was probably already one hundred

871
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 5: and eighty pounds then. I think when he was when

872
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: he was in San Antonio not playing so much, it

873
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 5: was kiwi painesy. But now that he's become a.

874
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: Bit the title and suddenly Australia's like, oh ah yes, listen,

875
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: the day he had a step back three of a

876
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Damian little that was the day he became a true

877
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: blue Wazzy.

878
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 3: So wow, no doubt, Okay, I like the Greeks. It's

879
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: like the Greeks claiming Yannistet Gumpo after he became a

880
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: draft pick. Didn't want him before that. Ah fe.

881
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: When he starts getting successful is when you want to

882
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: call him one of yours. Okay, Tash, who do you

883
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: have for andrated team or player?

884
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: I'm going back to those Wizards, Trey was talking about them.

885
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: I'm a huge Rui at Chamura fan. Love me some

886
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: Rui everybody's talking about after his first season. He's only

887
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: played one year in the league, but it felt like

888
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: the way people talked about him negatively after his first season,

889
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: the things he couldn't do, it felt like he'd been

890
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: in the league for a long time. He just gets

891
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 3: he's already got this rep as a guy. I can't

892
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 3: extend his shot. What really is his skill set? Is

893
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: he as athletic as he was in college? The answer

894
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: is yes, he's as athletic as he was in college. Yes,

895
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 3: he can extend his three points shot because he has

896
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: a motor and he has a desire to get better.

897
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: That's what I got from watching him play in Washington.

898
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: Even though he was taking mid rangers and he shouldn't

899
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: have been, he went out in the offseason and extended

900
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: that range a little bit. Now the shots could have

901
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: a little bit more arc, and I think he's he

902
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: has worked on that because the arc has gotten better,

903
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: has gotten better. But to me, he's just somebody that

904
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: people talk about as a guy, sort of like his

905
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: teammate Russell Westbrook. For a long period of time, he

906
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: can't shoot well. He's got an incredible motor like his teammate.

907
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: To some degree Russell Westbrook. He is going to work

908
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: his ass off, and so I believe in him getting better.

909
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: And I'm not going to tell you if I took

910
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: him in fantasy or not I did, but yeah, I believe.

911
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: I belie. There's a billion young guys on that team,

912
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: and I don't know why I fall in love with

913
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: a bunch of them. And he's act Banga, not so

914
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: much Mo Wagner, But you know, up and down to

915
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: Troy Burn, there's Bertons, down the line, there's they have

916
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: a lot of young guys and hopefully for them, one

917
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: of them hits. And I think Ruy's going to be

918
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 3: a very solid rotation player for a long time. Even

919
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: though people even in the stream team here von Jovi

920
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: Sabido calling him slow, come on, come on, everybody looking

921
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: at him and saying he can't play. He's got skills,

922
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: he's working on it. He's going to get better. He

923
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: should be a starter on that team.

924
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: My underrated player, my obvious answer is Lakers card tailor

925
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: Horton Tucker. He's gonna be an MVP. It's looking like

926
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: in preseason. No, my actually good the numbers. That's good

927
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: for the numbers. If you bring up thh T. That's right,

928
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: that's a good point. It's like he's the new Caruso

929
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: basics exactly right. No, My actual answer for andrated player

930
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: Josh Richardson, I think is interesting because we've talked a

931
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: lot about how much it sounded like all of us

932
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: love Seth Curry and his fit with the Sixers, get

933
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: some shooting around and beat and Simmons. Josh Richardson though

934
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: he has the ability to shoot, and he generally defends

935
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: the best player on the other team, best wing player

936
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: at least. He's just coming off a brutal season in Philly.

937
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: He shot thirty four point one percent from deep, and

938
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: that was his lowest since his sophomore campaign back in

939
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen. But the two years prior to that in Miami,

940
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: he shot like thirty six percent from three and thirty

941
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: eight percent from three on pretty comparable attempt numbers. So

942
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: I just think maybe that was a weird aberration there

943
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: in Philly with the makeup of that squad, him going

944
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: in there and what he was asked to do. I

945
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: like him Moore in Dallas. He gives them a little

946
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: toughness and they just see it, and like I saw

947
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: some quotes from Rick Rick Carlisle. They just loved the

948
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: idea of his fit with Luka Doncic quote, We've been

949
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: looking for a guy who can defend point guards and

950
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: can score off the ball or take the ball and

951
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: make Luca workoff ball. Josh Richardson is a guy I

952
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: always felt could be a good fit along Luca. That

953
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense, especially the defensive part, because

954
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: if you're Dallas and you have plans to go start

955
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: going far in the playoffs, you're gonna need a guy,

956
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: a dog that can try and slow down these awesome

957
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: point guards like your staffs and your Damian Lowards and

958
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 2: your Murray's and your bookers and your Mitchell's, Like that's

959
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: who Josh Ritson he would be on to attempt to

960
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: slow down. And if he can hit his shot or

961
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: get that three pointer back to like thirty eight percent,

962
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: they're loving that. Yeah, it's not Seth Curray levels, but

963
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 2: all this other stuff that he can do, especially defensively,

964
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: I think makes sense. So I'm I'm high on Josh Ritchzson.

965
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: I know he's playing really well in preseason right now.

966
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: He's not gonna go you know, he's not gonna shoot

967
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: eighty percent from distance over the regular season. But he

968
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: can be a really really good guy moving forward with

969
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: them as like sort of a third or fourth sort

970
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: of guy when you pay him with Porsingers. So I'll

971
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: go Josh. I'm not giving up on Josh Ritzon just

972
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: because he had one sort of stinker year there in Philadelphia.

973
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: We used to talk about him as underrated when he.

974
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: Was with Miami, right, I mean, he was a people

975
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: said he would play the next Kawhi Leonard. Oh, which

976
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: was a little bit of an extension. I think maybe

977
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: some seventy six Ers executives read those kind of tweets.

978
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: From Dave to four. Yeah, I still remember Dave, but

979
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: I feel like they read it and.

980
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 4: They said, all right, man, if you're gonna be the

981
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: next Kawi Leonard, come here and be the next Kawhi Leonard.

982
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: That was just too much for Josh richards And he's

983
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 4: much better in a support role, like you're saying he's

984
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 4: gonna bring the defense.

985
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: This was a win win trade for both teams.

986
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: Have the better fit for Richardson, a great fit for

987
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 4: the Sixers getting South Curry nice moves.

988
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: All right, our next question here, I teased it I

989
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: think in part one of our podcast series here our

990
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: season previews, is the play in tournament? The playoffs?

991
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: Lee?

992
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: You tell me, are we counting that if you are

993
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: making it as the ninth or the tenth seed, you're

994
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: in the play in tournament? Are you in the playoffs

995
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: or no? What do you think? No, you're not in

996
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

997
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 5: No you are not in the players or only in

998
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: the playoffs when you face a team over a series

999
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 5: of games, which would be a best of seven series.

1000
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: So no, but I am excited for it. I think

1001
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 5: this is a really good idea. It obviously worked very

1002
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 5: well in its first try down there in the bubble,

1003
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 5: and it wouldn't have even happened if it wasn't for

1004
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: the shutdown of the season. And so the NBA decided

1005
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 5: to take a chance, and it worked, and now they've

1006
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 5: decided to not only bring it back, but also extend

1007
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 5: it a little bit.

1008
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: Now.

1009
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 5: I know Trey, for example, I think doesn't like it

1010
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 5: being extended. But I'm okay with it like this right now,

1011
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: because I don't think it has to be okay, we're

1012
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 5: doing this now forever. It's like, Okay, let's try it

1013
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 5: this season and see if ten teams works and if

1014
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 5: it does, then great, we keep it for a while.

1015
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 5: And if it doesn't, then perhaps they do only go

1016
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 5: back to just having that one team to come into

1017
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 5: the playoffs. So I like it because I think, again

1018
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 5: the NBA is trying to figure out a way to

1019
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 5: make it so that fewer teams mail in the season

1020
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 5: and tank towards the end of it. And I think

1021
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 5: if you're a team like the Minnesota Timberwolves, for example,

1022
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 5: if you can make that play in tournament, considering the

1023
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 5: lack of player success they've had over their last fifteen years.

1024
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 5: Sacramento Kings are another one, it's something to at least

1025
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 5: fight for and give yourself an extend the season a

1026
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 5: little bit and give yourself a chance to get into

1027
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 5: that playoff bracket. So I'm okay with it. I think

1028
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 5: it's okay. I think it's very very good to experiment

1029
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 5: with these things, to try them out. And again, you

1030
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 5: don't have to lock yourself in forever with any of

1031
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 5: these things. Just just keep trying it while things are working,

1032
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 5: and if it does keep working like this, go with it.

1033
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 5: But it doesn't count as the playoffs unless you are

1034
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 5: in that. You know, first first match up against the

1035
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 5: number one or number two seed.

1036
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you what do you think tasks?

1037
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: You agree with Ley totally? Those teams that end up

1038
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 3: losing in the playing tournament end up in the draft lottery.

1039
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: So you can't be in there that. I might be

1040
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 3: an old guy here sitting on the fence or sitting

1041
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 3: on my fence, sitting on the porch yelling at people

1042
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: on the line, but you can't be both. You can't

1043
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: be both.

1044
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: Yelling at us all the time. Well he's sitting on

1045
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: a fence, he's pretty grumpy.

1046
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's because I got to pick it in

1047
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: my hands. Yeah, so so yeah, you can't be right.

1048
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: According here to a team streamer AJ Santiago, the baseball

1049
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: playing teams are they count as the playoffs? But oh yeah,

1050
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: but uh, there's so many fewer teams in baseball now

1051
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: we're talking and I think why trade doesn't like it.

1052
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: We're talking about twenty teams in the postseason. Way more

1053
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: teams now would be in the postseason if you count

1054
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: these play in tournament teams than not twenty versus ten.

1055
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: That's a that's a lot of teams making the playoffs,

1056
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: isn't it supposed to be a select group that makes

1057
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs, and we already got over fifty percent.

1058
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: I think that's enough, Trey, do you agree with the guys, Like,

1059
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: if the Wolves make the tenth seed and they're in

1060
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: the play in tournament, then they lose and they're out.

1061
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: Are you going to say, well, the Wolves did make

1062
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: the playoffs last year when we do the season previews

1063
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 2: the next season.

1064
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I'm thinking, Skeets, We're all gonna say, No,

1065
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: the play in Tournament, it's not the playoffs. Look at

1066
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: the name play in Tournament. You're playing into the playoffs.

1067
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 4: But if they called it the wild card, we would

1068
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: all call this the playoffs.

1069
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: And like you're saying, when.

1070
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 4: We're doing previews next season, that number ten seed, we're

1071
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 4: gonna say, well, they basically made the playoffs.

1072
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 2: So I've kind of changed my mind.

1073
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: I think this is the playoffs now. At the very least,

1074
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 4: it's the postseason. It's happening host US season. That's the playoffs.

1075
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. I guess we'll find out. You know

1076
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: the tn T theme song that hits the pit Bull playoffs?

1077
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: Are they going to play that before the play in Tournament?

1078
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: Are they going to wait three days play?

1079
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 5: One thing that is weird with these playing games that

1080
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 5: happened last season. I keep saying last season. I mean

1081
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 5: it was a couple of weeks ago. It feels like

1082
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 5: the stats don't count, which is weird. I think you

1083
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: should might as well just make them like stats.

1084
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: For a.

1085
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: Great point, you're saying, like, where do you put these stats?

1086
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: You don't put Yeah, you don't put them with the

1087
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: regular season, but you should. I think it's it's more

1088
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: an extension of the regular Hold on, let's talk this through.

1089
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: The Wolves make it as a ten seat Carl Leslie

1090
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: Towns goes bonkers, scores one hundred and one points in

1091
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: a game, Like I thought brag smelled Chamberlain's record, But

1092
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: what are we doing with that? But these they don't

1093
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: make that actual play. So what we then? We would

1094
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: never we wouldn't be able to recognize the hunder one game. Yeah,

1095
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: be amazing, Like because where would that live? It's kind

1096
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: of like the real one hundred point game? Did it

1097
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: even happen? Nobody really know. I hadn't thought about that

1098
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: part lately. That's a great point is that are they postseason?

1099
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: Because are they?

1100
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1101
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be it'll be their own thing.

1102
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: It'll just be playing numbers if it.

1103
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 5: Could be potentially two games as well, assuming they have

1104
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 5: the same format as last time.

1105
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, just well, I you know, Tray

1106
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: made some good points even this numbers things got me

1107
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: thinking it a little differently. But I asked the people

1108
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: on Twitter. I had a poll up, I guess a

1109
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago now, because I said, you know,

1110
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: this is driving me nuts already, because you hear people

1111
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: talking about it, like is the play in part of

1112
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs and all that. Some people say yeah, some

1113
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: people say no. So I just asked it as a poll,

1114
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: will you consider making the NBA playing games making the playoffs?

1115
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: This is quite the consensus I think for Twitter, eighty

1116
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: eight point six percent say no, nearly five thousand votes. Uh.

1117
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: And again for Twitter to have you know, one side

1118
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: with that money votes, that's basically a consensus eleven point

1119
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: four percent saying yeah. So most people do agree with you,

1120
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: Lelee and Task like, nah, no, you're not. You're not

1121
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: actually in a playoff series yet. You're in this tournament,

1122
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: but you're not in the playoff series. But I changed

1123
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: part part It is interesting. You know, you change your mind.

1124
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: Trace get off the fence, Twitters, get off the fence.

1125
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be part of the playoffs

1126
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: because that's a good point about the stats. They need

1127
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: to put them somewhere. I don't think they're going to

1128
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 3: put them in the regular season. I think they're gonna.

1129
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: Show there's only really two options. They either just make

1130
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: a whole new thing for playing stats, I guess, or yeah,

1131
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: they're a part of the playoffs.

1132
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 5: But see, I think so, say you get traded midway

1133
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 5: through the season, right, and the team that you're traded

1134
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 5: from has played more games than the team you're traded two, right,

1135
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 5: and then you play every single game for both those teams.

1136
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 5: You can technically play more than eighty two games in

1137
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 5: the season. So I would say you just build it

1138
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 5: in like that. You just say, Okay, these are extra

1139
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 5: games of regular season basketball.

1140
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely know what you're saying.

1141
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: But it's not the regular season anymore. But it's not

1142
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: the playoffs. It's the that's the dilemmam.

1143
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: Do we count preseason stats?

1144
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 5: I would just say, you're extending the regular season, Okay,

1145
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 5: you're not actually playing playoffs.

1146
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: So that's why that's why I would extend that.

1147
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm keep in this basketball reference page right now.

1148
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 4: For the Memphis Grizzlies who made it to the play

1149
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: In Tournament last year and they lost, we would say

1150
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: they didn't make the playoffs.

1151
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: Right.

1152
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: If you're looking at the Grizzlies schedule and results regular

1153
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 4: season Portland Trailblazers game, it counts as a regular season game.

1154
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 4: Oh however, if you look at John Morant's game log,

1155
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 4: the game against the Portland Trail Blazers is.

1156
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: Nowhere to be found.

1157
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: Oh.

1158
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: This is fascinating. This is what I mean by the

1159
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: one hundred and one point game though Towns is gonna do.

1160
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 2: It counts for the teams, it doesn't count for the players.

1161
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1162
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 3: I love it.

1163
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: I love the ghost realm of basketball that we're discussing here.

1164
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 2: This is my new favorite thing. At the play In Tournament.

1165
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: That happened? But did it? Did it? You had to

1166
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: be there?

1167
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 3: But does account for like the Blazers players because they

1168
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: made the playoffs afterwards? No, that doesn't.

1169
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: Oh, you gotta go deeper.

1170
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: It.

1171
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: Like Trey just said, it counts for the team's record.

1172
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: But not the individual player statistics back that they gotta

1173
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: fix that. Schuman, you gotta fix that. Get on that man.

1174
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it going here. I'm glad we

1175
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: asked that question. Next one, though, which player enters a

1176
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: make or break season? That's a burning question, Trey, Who

1177
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: you got?

1178
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 4: I think it's a take your pick between Joe el

1179
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 4: Embiid and Ben Simmons. Because all of the meat shields

1180
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 4: are gone. Shout out to survivor Brett Brown's coaching. It's

1181
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 4: no longer the issue. Al Horford's fit no longer the issue.

1182
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 4: Josh Richardson's limitations as a playmaker no longer the issue,

1183
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 4: Elton brand making some weird personnel choices no longer the issue.

1184
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 4: Lack of shooting no longer the issue. This is the

1185
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 4: most the team has been built to play to Embiid

1186
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: in Simmons' strengths. The Sixers are very smart to give

1187
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 4: this a shot before they decide to make any sort

1188
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 4: of move with their two franchise corner stone. But it

1189
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 4: does mean that now all the pressure is on Simmons

1190
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 4: and Embid. This is similar to a team that people

1191
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: want to see around them. You know, maybe you would

1192
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: change some of the actual personnel that's out there. But shooting,

1193
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 4: defense and a little bit more playmaking is what everybody's

1194
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 4: been calling for for the Sixers. Now they got it.

1195
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 4: So now it's one hundred percent on Simmons and Embiid

1196
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 4: to make this team into an actual title contender rather

1197
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 4: than a team that we're talking about. Are they a

1198
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 4: dark horse title contender? Is this the year they're going

1199
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 4: to do it? Hopefully staying in the Airbnb helps with

1200
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: the chemistry. Hopefully they're able to really plot out a

1201
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: course to be a successful team, to still be a

1202
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 4: good defensive team with an offense that makes a little

1203
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: bit more sense. But it's all on Simmons and Embiid.

1204
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: Let's see it, guys. Okay, So you can pick either

1205
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: of those two guys, even though I would add, you know,

1206
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: Tobias Harris could be a scapegoat. He could be the

1207
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: Chris Bosh Okay, okay, and I drag him to the

1208
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: finals as a goat. Totally totally love the survivor references. Lee,

1209
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: who do you have for a make or break?

1210
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: Well?

1211
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 5: Unfortunately going with Gordon highwoode. Unfortunately Well, I say unfortunate

1212
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 5: because I kind of feel a bit bad for him.

1213
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 5: He's had some bad injuries. Of course, he did his

1214
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 5: ankle a couple of years ago, and then down in

1215
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 5: the bubble he re injured another ankle, and already he's

1216
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 5: broken a finger or fractured a finger in his hand

1217
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 5: there and Charlotte. And the reason the reason I say

1218
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 5: it's make or break is because he got that huge

1219
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 5: contract four years and one hundred and twenty million, and

1220
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 5: it's like, I think he's going to be labeled kind

1221
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 5: of like an untradable contract if he can't stay on

1222
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 5: the floor and if he doesn't perform for the for

1223
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 5: the Hornets this season, it's going to be like he's

1224
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 5: going to be just kind of like, ah, man, this

1225
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 5: guy was just maybe never that good. He's only averaged

1226
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 5: twenty points a game one season in his career. And

1227
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 5: then you know, down in Boston, I thought he was

1228
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 5: in a good role there sort of coming off the bench,

1229
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 5: being that being that sixth man. But now we go

1230
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 5: some situations Charlotte where it's like, man, he's got a

1231
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 5: huge contract and this guy is just not even that good,

1232
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 5: you know. So it's like and then the Hornets are

1233
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 5: just going to be stuck with him. So I sort

1234
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 5: of feel he needs to do something really really special

1235
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: down there in Charlotte this season, average twenty five a

1236
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 5: game and have them beyond the play in tournament. You know,

1237
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 5: they have to be in the playoffs.

1238
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 2: Get to the ghost stats man, get to the goose stats.

1239
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1240
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 5: So I just I sort of feel I feel that,

1241
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 5: like I feel unfortunately it's probably not going to go

1242
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 5: that way for him, though, I feel that he's probably

1243
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 5: just gonna He's just going to battle a bit there. So,

1244
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 5: you know, I sort of feel for his career legacy almost.

1245
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 5: It's like it's like Hayward had a couple of good

1246
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 5: seasons in Utah, but wasn't that good And when they

1247
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 5: gave him the big money at thirty years of age,

1248
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 5: that was just another bad move by the Hornets, even

1249
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 5: though they kind of I felt, if someone like him

1250
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 5: was available, they have to go and get him. But

1251
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 5: at what cost really, I don't know.

1252
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just feel bad a million it turns out, oh.

1253
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred and twenty million bucks through

1254
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 5: you know what, eighteen and six. Sort of guy who

1255
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 5: might miss twenty five games with injury.

1256
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: I hope not. I'm getting depressed. Just ah, I know what,

1257
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: I feel bad.

1258
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 5: I just feel bad saying it because I just you know,

1259
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 5: those injuries, that that awful, awful ankle injury. He's stayed

1260
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 5: and then again down in the bubble. He missed the

1261
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 5: birth of his child because he thought the Celtics were

1262
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 5: gonna go and win the championship and I lose. And

1263
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 5: now he's in Charlotte and people kind of like, oh,

1264
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 5: you paid one hundred and twenty million for him, you know,

1265
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 5: so I hope I hope better dazer ahead for him.

1266
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, little make or break for Gordon just from

1267
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: Morale from Leley, what do you have?

1268
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: Well, mine is Victor Oladipo because he's trying to get

1269
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: that Gordon Hayward money. But I think the range of

1270
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: dollars that he could make this offseason when he becomes

1271
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 3: a free agent is huge. He was a max player

1272
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 3: when he went to the playoffs against Lebron James two

1273
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: years ago now, but then he got injured himself. He

1274
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: does not look like the same guy, and it's a

1275
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: bit like Isaiah Thomas. He could, you know, go next year.

1276
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 3: He won't be, you know, a minimum guy. He's still

1277
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 3: probably going to get at least ten fifteen mil. But

1278
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: he doesn't look like himself. He doesn't look like that

1279
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 3: MAX player. So the range of dollars that he would

1280
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: sign this offseason as a twenty nine year old, I

1281
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: believe he's going to be I don't know what it is.

1282
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: Floor is ten million, ceiling is probably a max. But

1283
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 3: that's pretty pretty drastic, and it's this is a very

1284
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: important year for Victor OLDEPO. So hopefully that leg actually

1285
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: does feel good because he could be the number one

1286
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: guy on that Pacers team and they could have a

1287
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: nice little playoff run. And I thought he was a

1288
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: MAX guy when he took Lebron to seven games. He

1289
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: looked great, but now it's it's not the same at

1290
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: this At this point anyway.

1291
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm tackling this one a little different than you guys,

1292
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: because you guys are picking some big names, like star players,

1293
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 2: all star players, all NBA players. I'm going Marvin Bagley

1294
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: the third as a bit of a make or break season.

1295
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: I know it's still early in his career, but this

1296
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: guy was the number two pick in eighteen and he's

1297
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: played seventy five games over the last two seasons. Last season,

1298
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: especially tough. I mean, he had the foot injuries and

1299
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 2: broken thumb and he was just limited to I think

1300
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: he played like thirteen games. The Kings picked up his

1301
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 2: option on his contract for next season. That one's worth

1302
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: eleven point three million, so they're obviously still believing him,

1303
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: and so do I. I'm excited about him. If he

1304
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: can just stay healthy, I think he can contribute. If

1305
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: the Kings play faster, which they're doing in the preseason.

1306
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: So that's good. Luke Walton, they're shooting more threes and

1307
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Get up and down Fox is your guy,

1308
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: Roll with him, run with him. But I just like

1309
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: to see Badley. You know, he's never gonna live up

1310
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: to obviously being picked ahead of like Luca, you know,

1311
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: or Trey or you know, other guys even lower like

1312
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: Shay Gildes, Alexander stuff like that, probably, but he can

1313
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: still be good. I just like to see him have

1314
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: like a nice like, yes, I'm healthy, I'm here, I'm contributing.

1315
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: You know, he puts up actually pretty good numbers in

1316
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: his limited time when he's out there. His per thirty

1317
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: six is are pretty nice. Has really meant anything has

1318
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: obviously translated into a ton of wins when he's been playing.

1319
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: So I would like to see the Kings. You know,

1320
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about them a lot. I feel like

1321
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 2: they're overlooked. You know. We're talking about the Sun and

1322
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: even the Wolves are coming up and some other teams

1323
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: in the West that are trying to like have their

1324
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: eye on the play in tournament. The King should be

1325
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: one of those teams going for that as well and

1326
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: could be in the mix. So Marvin Bagley the third,

1327
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: I'd love to see like a healthy, if anything, season

1328
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: for him, just to play and maybe flirt with some

1329
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: you know, twenty tens through throughout the season. I think

1330
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: that's in play with him. He's that athletic. He needs

1331
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: to get better defensively. For sure. He was lost when

1332
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: he was playing out there as a young guy. But

1333
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: he's older now and maybe he's a little smarter. So

1334
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: that's my pick. Let's hear from you guys. Will make

1335
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: or break seasons for some players. Let us know on

1336
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: the stream team tweet at us at no dunk Sink

1337
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: got a few more questions for today's show, but first

1338
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: a quick word from our sponsors. Sixth Man of the

1339
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: Year Back to the awards task your favorite award. I

1340
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: know it is, man. You love a guy coming off.

1341
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: The pine, but you got six man of the No

1342
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: shame coming off the pine, no shame coming off the fence.

1343
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: Just sit on that pine, Sit on that fence. This

1344
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: one's dumb, and I don't think it's going to happen,

1345
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 3: but I'm going to say it right now. Montrez Harrell

1346
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: for Los Angeles Lakers coming off the bench, he's going

1347
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: back to back the reasons why while he's playing behind Marcasol,

1348
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: I think Anthony Davis as well. Both those guys aren't

1349
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: going to be playing a ton Marcusol because of age,

1350
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis because he just finished playing. So I think

1351
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: Montrez Herald will be ready. He'll be on the edge

1352
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: of that pine, ready to jump up and play minute

1353
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: after minute after minute after minute. I think everybody on

1354
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: the Lakers has got to be ready to play minutes

1355
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: just because of the rest factor, the fact that they

1356
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 3: had seventy one days in between their last game in

1357
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: the Finals and their first day of the regular season here,

1358
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: so they're going to have to go deep. That's a

1359
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 3: big reason for him. Also, he's got a lot to prove.

1360
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: He's a six man but it was sort of discarded

1361
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 3: by the Los Angeles Clippers, which is kind of crazy.

1362
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: And he's playing for a contract. He signed a one

1363
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: plus one. He's got a player option for next year,

1364
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 3: so it's a big, big opportunity for him. His reputation

1365
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 3: kind of took a hit also with all that clamoring

1366
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: about people being upset in the locker room. Montrez Harrell

1367
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 3: was one of those guys who reported least was very

1368
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 3: vocal about the Los Angeles Clippers locker room. So he's

1369
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: got a lot to prove. That being said, I don't

1370
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: think he's going to be featured the way he was

1371
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 3: with the Clippers. It just doesn't seem like it's going

1372
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: to be a pick and roll party the way it

1373
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: was with Lou Williams. But somehow, some way, montres Harrow

1374
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 3: will stick his nose in there and get the ball

1375
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: and get his minutes or get his points and rebounds

1376
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: up and hopefully get close to those numbers again. So

1377
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent certain on this. This isn't

1378
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: really my favorite award. But there's nothing wrong with coming

1379
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: off the bench. Let's get back to that. There is

1380
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing wrong. So if Karris Lavert is told to

1381
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: come off the bench by Steve Nash. He's gonna do it,

1382
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: and he's gonna love it. He's already calling a Manu Gernobili.

1383
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: So I think that's a popular pick out there is

1384
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 3: the Karis Lavert pick, but I'll go with Mantrez just

1385
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 3: because it's more it's more about the reputation and the

1386
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 3: things that he is probably focused on rather than the

1387
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: actual basketball at this night.

1388
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: All Right, tass has tres going back to back Leary.

1389
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: Who you got for six Man of the Year.

1390
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 5: Well, this guy started one game last year. Sixty four

1391
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 5: times he came off the bench. But I think he's

1392
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 5: probably going to start this season. But I think the

1393
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 5: award is kind of made for him because he's just

1394
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 5: going to be a bucket when he gets out there,

1395
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 5: and it's a tradesman Kobe White in Chicago.

1396
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, it looks started.

1397
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I know.

1398
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 5: I think he started all three preseason games and he

1399
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 5: fires away. But that's that's basically what you want from

1400
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 5: a six man, to come out there and just shoot.

1401
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 5: And he had a couple of big, big games last

1402
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 5: year for the Bulls, and this is the sort of

1403
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 5: award again, where if you can get twenty points a

1404
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 5: game off the bench, it's hard for you to not

1405
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 5: win that award. So but he's not going to probably start,

1406
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 5: He's probably is going to start, so he'll be eliminated

1407
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 5: from contention. So I'll go with Spencer Dinwiddie. I think

1408
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 5: didn'widdy's going to get opportunity in minutes there in Brooklyn

1409
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 5: because I think they do stagger Kevin and Kyrie a little.

1410
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 5: And I think Spencon will be a good fit alongside

1411
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant. And he's a veteran, he's been around, he

1412
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 5: knows he's roll. So I think Dinwood he's in a

1413
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 5: very good position to win it this year.

1414
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: Who do you got, Trey Well, Kobe White Lee.

1415
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, he's gonna win a six Man

1416
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 4: of the Year at some point in his career, but

1417
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 4: like you're saying, probably not this year because he's going

1418
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 4: to the All Star Game, so as a starter. But uh,

1419
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 4: as for me, my pick for six Man of the

1420
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 4: Year Tyler Hero, assuming he comes off the bench.

1421
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 2: He's kind of a sixth starter for the Heat.

1422
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 4: He started the last five finals games, but he also

1423
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 4: only started eight games during the regular season. Yeah, who's

1424
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 4: gonna be starting for the Heat is the question. You know,

1425
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: Butler's gonna be there. You know Bam is gonna be there.

1426
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 4: Then you've got two of Duncan Robinson, Avery, Bradley, Hero,

1427
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 4: None Harkless, a big guy, either a Linnick or Leonard

1428
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: Goran Dragitch does he start?

1429
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: Who knows?

1430
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 4: He didn't really start until the bubble, But it's gonna

1431
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 4: either be Draggach or Hero. I would imagine that Hero

1432
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 4: comes off the bench to kind of lead that second unit.

1433
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 4: They gave him a lot more opportunity to run picking

1434
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 4: rolls during the Bubble, and he looked like he was

1435
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 4: ready for that responsibility. He looked like he was a

1436
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 4: pretty solid playmaker, a little bit of a surprising playmaker.

1437
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 4: Maybe they thought he was just a shooter. But I

1438
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 4: can see a nice jump for Tyler Hero this year.

1439
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 4: People in the stream team are saying he might be

1440
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 4: able to lead the Heat in scoring, which I think

1441
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 4: is a little far fetched. But I can't see him

1442
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 4: putting up some pretty big numbers and being a key

1443
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 4: contributor to a team that should be pretty solid.

1444
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, my pick is, uh, you guys have name both

1445
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: of the guys that I've been considering because I don't

1446
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: know which one to pick, Spencer Dinwitdie or Kris LeVert,

1447
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: because we don't know which one really is going to start,

1448
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: which one's going to come off the bench. They're both

1449
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: not going to start. One of them will be coming

1450
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: off the pine. Dinwitty, I know, started the preseason game

1451
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: the other night, but Lavert was held out due to

1452
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 2: injury tasks. You alluded to Nash talking about Carris. He

1453
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: said he's a starter, but will he start for us?

1454
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet, And he made that comparison to

1455
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: Genobili and how great he could be with the second

1456
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 2: unit but still close games like Genobili has and still

1457
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: make All Star teams and stuff like that. So if

1458
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: it's Dinwitty, so Dinwitnie. If it's Lavert, I go Laver

1459
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 2: because I just think they'll put up really good numbers.

1460
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: And Dinwitty I think would be my ultimate pick Jess

1461
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: because I think he's more likely to actually still come

1462
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: off the bench. I think Livert does start, and he's

1463
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: done it before and he was good, like even last

1464
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: year he played fifteen games as a bench player and

1465
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 2: he was still averaging like eighteen and five. His numbers

1466
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: were higher as a starter as they usually are, but

1467
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: not too far off that he was like twenty and

1468
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 2: seven when he was starting in those games last year.

1469
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: Usage percentage pretty similar in both roles. That's going to

1470
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: drop significantly. I would think whether he's starting or he's

1471
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: coming off the bench with all the talent now surrounding him.

1472
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: But I'll go Dinwitty ultimately. But if he starts the Laversa,

1473
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 2: the one coming off the plane, then I would pick him.

1474
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: That's a I think it's going to be somebody on

1475
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: the nets. I think there's gonna be a lot of

1476
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: scoring there in Brooklyn. But let's hear from you guys

1477
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: with the six Man of the Year award stream teamers.

1478
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: I know we're talking up Tyler hero I saw there,

1479
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: and let's get your tweets as well at No Dunk Sink.

1480
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: One more question. We always do this one. It's a

1481
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: lot of fun. Which player needs a nickname? Who needs

1482
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: a fun moniker? Ley? Who he got?

1483
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 5: Well, we've got two young studs. Some say one is

1484
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 5: highlight overrated, but I think overall he's very good. But

1485
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 5: neither of Zion or Jarmrant really have a nickname on

1486
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 5: Basketball Reference nothing for Moran, and Zion has Zanos. But

1487
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 5: I don't really think that's nice at all.

1488
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: And so I think Zion actually could survive his career.

1489
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 5: When you're a one name guy and your name hasn't

1490
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 5: been in NBA history before, and you're a star like

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Speaker 5: Shaq Kobe Lebron, you know, like that can be your nickname,

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01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 5: you know. So Zion could just be Zion for his career.

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: But I think so.

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01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 5: But Jar Morant is a two name guy, and we

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 5: need to get rid of that. I think he needs

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01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 5: to be a one name guy.

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Speaker 2: At least you're seeing his name correctly. I already had

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Speaker 2: a nickname. Why, just the classic assing way of coming

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01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: up with nick names. It just had to change a

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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 5: Do you know what his actual first name is? No,

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01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 5: Demetrius Jamal Morant.

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01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: That's name that anyway. So the thing about Jar Moran,

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: what I.

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 5: Always see with him is you always have to you

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01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 5: see a highlight, and then you have to go back

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01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 5: and watch it again. So I want to call him

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01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 5: replay because every time something happens, it's like replay, replay.

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01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 5: I've got to see that again. You've got to see slowma,

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01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 5: you got to watch just how what he did and

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01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 5: how he did it because he's in the air for

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 5: so long. And that's another potential nickname for him is

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 5: just Elevate. Just call him Elevate because he always elevates.

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01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 5: So you know, look, these nicknames are not very good.

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01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 5: I understand that, but he needs something.

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Speaker 2: Jarm Moran.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think he could be jar Moran because,

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01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 5: as I was saying, you've got to be just one

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01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 5: name if you're going to be a one name guy

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Speaker 5: for your entire career. So replay or Elevate that's what

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 5: I'm going with. So that's what I'm pitching out there.

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Speaker 2: What about using replay because you'd be watching it for

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01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: a second time because you're like, well, what did he do?

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01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: So you bring it back. It's sort of like deja

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 2: oh okay, Yeah, it's something there that's been a force.

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm forcing that. I was forcuning that on Twitter the

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: other night. But you know, it goes along with your replay.

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 2: He needs a nickname. Yeah, but he's got a cool

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01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 2: name too. I mean, you've mispronounce it most of the time,

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: but it's a name, it's a short name, it's a

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: punchable name. John Moriana. Okay, so you're going jaw, who

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01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: do you got tasks?

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01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 3: Likely it was saying one name is fine, you know,

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01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: like Luka Doncic, his nickname will forever be Luca. He's

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01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: just a one name guy that that's totally cool. I

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 3: just hate when you have to use two names. I mean,

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01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 3: that's what it really comes down to. I'm being selfish here.

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01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 3: Just think about throughout the season, we do a lot

1539
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 3: of shows, three hundred plus shows. Think about the time

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01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: saved if a guy is just a one name guy

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01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: versus the two name guys, all of us having to

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01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 3: say a guy's name. So I looked at the top

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01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 3: players in the league, and I wondered, who is the

1544
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 3: best player that you have to say both his names?

1545
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 3: Luca Jannis, Steph lebron Ad is now Anthony Davis. I

1546
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 3: think that's fine. James Harden is the Beard or Harden.

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01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 3: I think you can probably get away with one name there,

1548
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: why KD Dame? Jason Tatum is where I landed. Okay,

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01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum's got he needs a nickname. Uh and he

1550
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 3: also plays with Jalen Brown, both two name guys. And

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01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 3: I'm okay, I'm okay. You know, we've done this question

1552
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 3: for a decade and a half. We forced many a nickname.

1553
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 3: I have forced many nicknames, like Durantula for KD, but

1554
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 3: it ended up being just as initials. I'm okay with

1555
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 3: it being JT. That's cool. Oh wow, And I think

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01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 3: that's fine. I know it's not. It doesn't It doesn't

1557
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 3: really U you know, tick on anyone's fancy right now.

1558
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 3: But did KD at some point? Did a D at

1559
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 3: some point? No, because the other way is forced, you know,

1560
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 3: the brow or again Durantela. Well, I mean, I guess

1561
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 3: that's been that's been given to Donovan Mitchell. But those

1562
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 3: those always sort of fade away, like Flash with Dwayne

1563
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 3: Wade or Stat with Amuri Stotdommeyer. You always just go

1564
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 3: with the guy's named d Wade. I'm all, was a

1565
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 3: one name guy. So I think where we're gonna get

1566
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: with with Jason Tatum, maybe it's JT and JB Bros.

1567
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 3: From Beantown Beantown Bros. I don't know. I think he

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01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: might just go initials, So that that's where I'm focused.

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01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum. If somebody's got a good Jason Tatum, throw

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01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 3: it out there tat Datum all the time.

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01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, twelve time. I do love. For some reason, it

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01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: kills me. Why can't he just be Tatum. I mean

1573
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: that's a pretty short and memorable name.

1574
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

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01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 3: It just hasn't taken off, right, Yeah, I agree, he's

1577
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 3: a two name guy.

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01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: He is a two name guy right now? Who do

1579
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 2: you have?

1580
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 4: TK A couple of rookies I think are unsure on nicknames.

1581
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 4: I do not like having two Mellows in the league.

1582
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 4: I don't like that LaMelo Ball is on here on

1583
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 4: Instagram at Mellow. Carmelo Anthony should be at Mellow. He

1584
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 4: obviously has Carmelo Anthony, which is fine, but I don't know.

1585
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 4: He plays fast, He's fancy, a little reckless. Maybe we

1586
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 4: call him Lambeau. Another guy, another rookie who could use

1587
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 4: a nickname, the bulls, Patrick Williams.

1588
01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 2: I was calling him the Floorist.

1589
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 4: The first thing that ESPN told me about this guy

1590
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 4: was that in high school his mom ran a floral

1591
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 4: shop and he delivered all of the flowers.

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 3: So I love it.

1593
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 2: I think the Florist is a very cool nickname.

1594
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, Tony kuk Coach was called the

1595
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,440
Speaker 4: waiter because he was serving up those assists.

1596
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: A name, that's a job, that's a weird job. I

1597
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 2: love it as a nickname.

1598
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 4: But also on the Bulls broadcast during preseason, they've been

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01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 4: calling him Project Pat, after the Mental Rapper, and I

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01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 4: think that's an awesome nickname. So I'm kind of in

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01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 4: between on whether I want to go, you know, the

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01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 4: flower power route or the rap homage route. But either

1603
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 4: of them are good to me. Williams says, look great

1604
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 4: in the preseason. Mark him down for your Rookie of

1605
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: the Year and give him two nicknames, Project Pat and

1606
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 4: the Florist.

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what y'all like better. I like both

1608
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: of them. I love the Florist for some reason. I

1609
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: don't know why. It's it's so weird to me that

1610
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: I like it. My Project Pat's good too.

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: It's kind of like Cuck Coach the florist. If you know,

1612
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 3: you know that he delivers things. If if he drops

1613
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 3: some assists, you know he's the floor is always delivering you.

1614
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 3: The ball was delivering you of those geraniums.

1615
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, or or you could see for the

1616
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 2: floors being a good nickname for somebody like Dunks on

1617
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 2: people so badly that he like puts them to the ground,

1618
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: like he buries them, like wob you know does, and

1619
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 2: then you're putting flowers on the grave. It's a bit

1620
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: of a stretch too. But you said you hate guys

1621
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: with two names tasks that you got to like say

1622
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: both of their names. Well, what about guys with three names?

1623
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: Taylor Horton Tucker, Bring them back up? Kid needs a nickname. Man,

1624
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 2: too many names. Oh, the stream is peaking. The stream

1625
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 2: is peaking, right. I don't know what we're calling Tayling

1626
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 2: Horton Tucker. I mean, I see a lot of thhts.

1627
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: They're just doing that.

1628
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:45,480
Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, fine, buthd okay.

1629
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: Dynamite done. That's what we're calling Taylor Horton Tucker. It's

1630
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 2: a fun name to say, I will, I will admit,

1631
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: but it's a it's a mouthful and you say tasked

1632
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 2: like that. We like give these guys nicknames, or we

1633
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: go with half their name half the time, more than

1634
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: half the time, because it's quicker. We're talking. This is

1635
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: what guys do.

1636
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 3: You know?

1637
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 2: We're chatting. We got an hour to discuss a lot

1638
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 2: of things. But the flip side of this. If you

1639
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: watch like Steven A. Smith or those type of shows,

1640
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: they always say they're full. Name always talk radio especially

1641
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: does this too. I got time to fill. You got

1642
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: to say the entire name of every guy on the

1643
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 2: roster because that's gonna fill up a couple of minutes.

1644
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 2: It tries me insane. I'm glad you brought that up.

1645
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 2: Drives me nuts. Just Smith, James Harden every time, just

1646
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: say Harden. We know what you're talking about.

1647
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 3: It gives you time to think James Harden, the Beard.

1648
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is my point. Gonna move on here.

1649
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll call it there. Part four NBA

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 2: Season Preview podcast one more coming up on Friday. Got

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Speaker 2: with final part Part five of our burning questions about

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01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: the upcoming NBA season. Thanks for joining us today. Until then,

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Speaker 2: Clipper bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time,

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Speaker 2: turn up love you guys awesome.

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember Patrick Williams is the florist,

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01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: Patrick Olliams with the dunk. He just put Aaron Vains

1666
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 3: in the vase. Where's it a vase? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Embrace the day, people, you could stay.

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 3: Every day that happy, every many.

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01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: It's been so long with your funna.

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Speaker 3: Ready, it's gonna be crazy.