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Speaker 1: Hi'm George and Orian. Welcome to the new I Heart

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Speaker 1: This is an exciting new network that will feature podcasts

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Speaker 1: of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, please sit

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Speaker 1: back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain. Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so

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Speaker 1: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Death is

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Speaker 1: no more than passing from one room to another. But

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Speaker 1: there's a difference for me, you know, because in that

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Speaker 1: other room I shall be able to see Helen Keller.

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Speaker 1: We humans share three main fears. One is the fear

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Speaker 1: of being alone, another is the fear of failure, and

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Speaker 1: the last the fear of dying. One of the big

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Speaker 1: reasons I created this podcast is so that we can

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Speaker 1: wipe fear out of our lives. One of the ways

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Speaker 1: to do that is to destroy the fear of dying

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Speaker 1: if we could see the invisible group of souls that

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Speaker 1: constantly surround us and cheer us on, and learn to

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Speaker 1: feel what they are communicating to us, we would not

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Speaker 1: feel so alone. And if life truly is an education

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Speaker 1: for our soul, which I believe it is, there is

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Speaker 1: no such thing as failure, as everything is learning experience.

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Speaker 1: So on this episode, let's take a look at what

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Speaker 1: happens when we die. We're going to talk with the

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Speaker 1: author of the book The Fun of Dying what happens next.

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Speaker 1: She also wrote The Fun of Staying in Touch, How

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Speaker 1: our loved ones contact us and how we can contact them.

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Speaker 1: Roberta Grimes is a business attorney and a dear friend

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Speaker 1: of mine who has spent most of her life studying

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Speaker 1: radio show called Seek Reality. I first found out about

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Speaker 1: Roberta through the book Your Eternal Self by Dr R

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Speaker 1: Craig Hogan. One of his recommended books was the Fun

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Speaker 1: and the title really angered me, and I felt compelled

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Speaker 1: to order this book. Both books did bring me a

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Speaker 1: from a spiritual point of view. If you listen to

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Speaker 1: our last show, we met a deep trance medium who

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Speaker 1: it's just making me think, like, yeah, we signed up

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Speaker 1: for believing this. And I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: that we all got as a gift and a curse

430
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Speaker 1: sometimes is this internal thinking. That's man, I'm not my

431
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Speaker 1: own best friend. I criticize myself all the time, I

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Speaker 1: think I got fear that shows up, and is that

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Speaker 1: something that we were given as part of the trick

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Speaker 1: to just have us help not remember who we really are.

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Speaker 1: It's it's really just that they want us to take

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Speaker 1: the gym seriously. We're here too, you know, Yeah you're funny,

437
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Speaker 1: but they want us to take seriously these lessons. But

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Speaker 1: I can assure anybody who's worried that somehow it won't

439
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Speaker 1: be fun once you know this stuff. The fun of

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Speaker 1: my life really began when I began to understand the truth.

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Speaker 1: It's the most amazing thing. Because you're you have fears,

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Speaker 1: you have worries of pains. Um, yes, you get to

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Speaker 1: taste a burrito, but it's just it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: that's that's small potatoes compared to understanding that you are

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Speaker 1: the best beloved child of an infinitely loving God. That

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Speaker 1: to me is a lot more important. And when I

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Speaker 1: really got all of that, Wow, it's just the best

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Speaker 1: feeling on earth you can imagine. And I think then

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Speaker 1: you start taking the even though you can see that

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Speaker 1: the machine is just a Marcinat machine, it's a kind

451
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Speaker 1: of trick. You no longer feel the grief you felt

452
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Speaker 1: before for people who have died, because you understand what's

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Speaker 1: going on, you can see behind the curtain a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but it makes you all the harder try to ace

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Speaker 1: out the lessons. You know. Yeah, I know it's just

456
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Speaker 1: a lesson, but I still want to get an a. Yeah, definitely,

457
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Speaker 1: And I think it's so important everything you're doing to

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Speaker 1: share your message, your books. I know you've been on

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Speaker 1: over a hundred radio shows this past year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're You're out there. And the thing is for any

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Speaker 1: one of us, whether it's listening to one of our shows,

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Speaker 1: whether it's picking up a book, whether it's going to

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Speaker 1: a seminar, the more times that we can remind ourselves

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Speaker 1: that this is real, like life after death is real,

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Speaker 1: and we are eternal souls and here in a human

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Speaker 1: body that is real. The more times we hear that,

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00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: I think it keeps us in in the game and

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Speaker 1: and like looking for opportunities to love and forgive and

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Speaker 1: to grow. Because even though ROBERTA. I wrote my book,

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Speaker 1: and even though I've had some pretty mind blowing experiences,

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Speaker 1: I cannot remember them on my own unless I stay engaged.

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Speaker 1: And I also know when I stay engaged, I talk

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Speaker 1: to somebody like you, or if I read a book

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Speaker 1: or something like that, I remember to do things like

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Speaker 1: quiet my mind, whether you call it meditation or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I remember to be in the present moment. And by

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Speaker 1: doing those kind of things, I think for myself. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I've had a whole lot more synchronicities. I will even

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Speaker 1: say I've had miracles show up. I've had people come

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Speaker 1: into my life that I thought were they here just

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Speaker 1: from me. So whether it's raising my vibration or tapping

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Speaker 1: into something, I don't know, but the quality of life

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00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: seems to be much better when I'm engaged in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I would totally absolutely agree with a man it's Ben Sister. Yeah, absolutely, Um.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing like the kind of feeling you have

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Speaker 1: for other people when you really understand what's going on.

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Speaker 1: You can look at people that you used to think

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Speaker 1: we're awful and you can see the God in them

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Speaker 1: you be. You're able to begin to really love everybody,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's always for all of us. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's a new set of habits. But it's not something

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Speaker 1: that's automatic. We need to work at it, but it works.

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Speaker 1: You can find out more about ROBERTA. On ROBERTA. Grimes

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Speaker 1: dot Com. In our next segment, I'll tell you some

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Speaker 1: things you may or may not know about afterlife research

496
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Speaker 1: that's happening in the world right now. I do believe

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Speaker 1: that to have any significant change, more pep will need

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Speaker 1: to believe, then not believe, and a tipping point will occur.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you I am really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: that day. Sometimes it seems crazy that more people don't

501
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Speaker 1: believe in the afterlife when there are some things equally

502
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Speaker 1: as hard to grasp. Earlier, we talked about the quantum

503
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Speaker 1: mechanics and putting a camera into our tiniest little atom

504
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Speaker 1: that makes up us, and we aren't completely invisible beings

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Speaker 1: made up of vibrating energy. How about this? Have you

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Speaker 1: ever looked up at the night sky and thought of

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Speaker 1: how big it is? When we do, we're looking at

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Speaker 1: the stars that make up our Milky Way galaxy. Scientists

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Speaker 1: think in our galaxy alone there are two hundred to

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Speaker 1: four hundred billion stars like our Sun. It is believed

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Speaker 1: that at least ten percent of the stars have planets

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Speaker 1: in their solar systems, which would mean that there are

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Speaker 1: at least twenty billion solar systems just in our Milky

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Speaker 1: Way galaxy. Now get this. With the Hubble Telescope and

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Speaker 1: other supercomputers, scientists estimate that there could be one hundred

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Speaker 1: to two hundred billion galaxies in the universe, and that

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Speaker 1: the universe is ever expanding, ever expanding into what I ask.

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Speaker 1: The farthest individual star that has been photographed is a

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Speaker 1: blue super giant named Icarus, and it would take nine

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Speaker 1: billion years to reach it from here. How can we

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Speaker 1: be looking at its light now from nine billion years ago?

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Speaker 1: That's something I just can't get my mind around. I

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Speaker 1: think we humans think that we should be able to

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Speaker 1: figure everything out. I honestly don't think our minds can

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Speaker 1: comprehend it all, and I don't think we are designed to.

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Speaker 1: But the day we leave our body, we'll get a

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Speaker 1: whole new perspective on the bigger picture and perhaps understand more.

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Speaker 1: Someday I'd like to take a trip to Australia and

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Speaker 1: New Zealand to meet some of the great people I've

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Speaker 1: met on the online psychic and medium classes that I host.

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Speaker 1: Where would you like to travel to? So here's a

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Speaker 1: question for you. How do we know these places are

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Speaker 1: real if we've never been there? Because many people before

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Speaker 1: us say they are real. We trust them and believe them.

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Speaker 1: With near death experiences and mediums and so much more,

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Speaker 1: we know there is an afterlife, and through the works

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Speaker 1: of researchers now capturing pictures and voices, we can trust

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Speaker 1: the afterlife is a real place too. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: in just a moment to look at some of this research.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I

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Speaker 1: Network and don't forget. You can listen to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Shades the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain, and years ago, when

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Speaker 1: I was at the peak of being an afterlife skeptic,

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Speaker 1: I knew that no one could possibly have proof of

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Speaker 1: the afterlife. I thought when people had near death experiences

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Speaker 1: and saw a bright light, that was a normal part

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Speaker 1: of our brain shutting down. Well, after now almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years of investigating, I realize I am not alone

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Speaker 1: on this afterlife investigation, and I want to introduce you

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Speaker 1: to some of the people and organizations that have been

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Speaker 1: around for a mighty long time doing some great work

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Speaker 1: into afterlife research. First, I'd like to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about visual instrumental trans communication. On episode number one,

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Speaker 1: we met Sonya and Aldi, who is the world's leading

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Speaker 1: researcher who actually gets audios, voices and pictures of people

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Speaker 1: in the afterlife, cann acting parents with their children, and

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Speaker 1: so much more, proving that we live on that we

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Speaker 1: get to be our best age, healthy and well. There's

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Speaker 1: also people like Mark Macy and I met him many

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Speaker 1: many years ago, and he had a polaroid camera and

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Speaker 1: he had it somehow devised that he would take a

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Speaker 1: picture of someone and when it came out of the camera,

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Speaker 1: it would develop and have two faces on it. Now,

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Speaker 1: my skeptical mind didn't quite buy into it. But the

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Speaker 1: woman I was sitting next to I knew pretty well,

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Speaker 1: and her daughter had passed and she was deeply grieving

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Speaker 1: for years. She was right behind me online and we

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Speaker 1: got our pictures taken, and when we returned to our

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Speaker 1: seats and we watched our photos develop. Mine was just

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Speaker 1: looked like a blurry picture of me. But hers, well,

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Speaker 1: it was her very narrow face and then on top

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Speaker 1: of it are a picture of her daughter. Now I've

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Speaker 1: seen a picture of her daughter, and she had real

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Speaker 1: curly hair round face, big smile, and that daughter's face

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Speaker 1: was on there, no doubt about it. There's also people

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Speaker 1: that do things like use water and take pictures of

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Speaker 1: light on the water. Sometimes there are pictures that you

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Speaker 1: see of deceased loved ones. Electronic voice phenomena, that's something

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Speaker 1: we can talk about. That is taking a recording device

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Speaker 1: capturing the sound of white noise, but it could be

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Speaker 1: water running or a fan blowing, and when you play

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Speaker 1: it back, voices are there. So I have to tell

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Speaker 1: you we all want to have immediate results, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: there is what's called beginner's luck, or the spirit world

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Speaker 1: actually give you a taste of something so that you

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Speaker 1: will pursue it more. I got recordings right at the

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Speaker 1: very beginning. However, it took some time to really practice

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Speaker 1: But once you listen for a while and you start

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Speaker 1: understanding what the words mean, suddenly your ears can pick

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Speaker 1: up on them. Our loved ones don't have all the

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Speaker 1: knowledge in the universe when they transition. I do believe

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Speaker 1: that they have to learn how to do this themselves,

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Speaker 1: and so set a time, do your research, get a

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Speaker 1: good digital recorder, and if this is something you're interested in,

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Speaker 1: really do the research and practice. It takes having a

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Speaker 1: commitment to your friend or loved one in the spirit

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Speaker 1: world to have these things work. Okay, we've also talked

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Speaker 1: We're not done with that quite yet, because I've got

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Speaker 1: something great to have you listened to in the next segment.

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Speaker 1: I also want to talk a little bit about near

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Speaker 1: death experiences and share death experiences. Our friends at i AMS,

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Speaker 1: which is i A n d s dot Org, is

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Speaker 1: the world's largest organization on near death experiences, and I

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Speaker 1: believe it's something like fourteen million people have had near

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Speaker 1: death experiences. And this is when their heart stops, they

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Speaker 1: see the light, they hear sounds very often, they see

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Speaker 1: their relatives. Many people have been guided and seeing their life,

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Speaker 1: They've had a life review. Some pretty extraordinary cases out there.

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Speaker 1: Not everyone that flatlines has a near death experience, or

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Speaker 1: maybe they do and they just don't remember it. They're

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Speaker 1: all different, as different as there's over seven billion people

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Speaker 1: on planet Earth, and if you were to ask somebody

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Speaker 1: what's life about, what's it like? We'd all give a

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00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: different answer. So I do think because that if their

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Speaker 1: transition completely to the other side. So some of it

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Speaker 1: could be our belief, some of it could be our

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Speaker 1: memories what we experienced. But I do believe this is

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Speaker 1: a really great example that life does go on after death.

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Speaker 1: Dr Raymond Moody coined the phrase near death experience back

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Speaker 1: in the seventies. Kenneth Ring took the research a little

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Speaker 1: bit further and he worked with blind people, people who

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Speaker 1: had never had sight having a near death experience. They

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Speaker 1: could see and they could accurately tell things that were

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Speaker 1: going on in the room around them, outside of the

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Speaker 1: room around them. And even more, William Peters runs Shared

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Speaker 1: Crossing Project and he actually trains people how to be

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Speaker 1: with your loved one at the time of passing. And

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Speaker 1: there's many examples of people that have witnessed spiritually in

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Speaker 1: their mind's eye, that same passing, that same moving to

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Speaker 1: the light and what happens in the dying process. Spirit

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Speaker 1: Artists are a form of a medium. They're people that

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Speaker 1: are gifted with drawing, and they have artistic abilities, and

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Speaker 1: they're also mediums. I know in my dad past as

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Speaker 1: much as I believed in the afterlife, I was suffering

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Speaker 1: something so greatly from grief that there was a spirit

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Speaker 1: artist near where I lived, and she not only drew

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Speaker 1: a picture of my dad very similar to what he

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Speaker 1: would look like in his twenties, she told a story

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Speaker 1: of a very private conversation I had with my dad

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Speaker 1: that no one could have known, no one, so I

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Speaker 1: know she was talking to my dad. Reincarnation is a

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Speaker 1: subject that some people believe in and some people don't.

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Speaker 1: Some people believe that when we die, we come back

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again, kind of like our

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Speaker 1: souls are being recycled to try life another time. There

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Speaker 1: are countless stories of children that had memories of being

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Speaker 1: someone else and the now past researcher Dr Ian Stevenson

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Speaker 1: actually documented three thousand cases of these children that had

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Speaker 1: memories of someone else from a previous lifetime. On the

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Speaker 1: flip side of that, there are people that believe that

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Speaker 1: someone's soul is around you, someone who has passed, and

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Speaker 1: the person who thinks they're reincarnated, they actually have that

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Speaker 1: soul as maybe a spirit guide, or they're communicating telepathically

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Speaker 1: with them, kind of like a medium would. So whichever

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Speaker 1: side of the coin you're on with reincarnation, it's a

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Speaker 1: really good reason to believe that we go on. There

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Speaker 1: is what's called induced after death communication and grief reattachment therapy.

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Speaker 1: The are very similar, almost hypnotic techniques to bring them

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Speaker 1: you can actually see and reconnect with your loved one.

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Speaker 1: Dr Alan Botkin was one of the first to figure

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Speaker 1: this out. He was a doctor for the Veterans Administration

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Speaker 1: in the United States, and so many of the soldiers

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Speaker 1: had post traumatic stress. He did something with their eyes

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Speaker 1: called e M d R. Eye Movement Desensitization Routine I

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Speaker 1: think it's called, and he did a series of left right,

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Speaker 1: left right eye movements and the idea it would be

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Speaker 1: to dislodge the emotion from a memory of something very

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Speaker 1: very traumatic that would happen with the soldiers. But one

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Speaker 1: point he gave a little too many left right, left

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Speaker 1: right eye movements and he found it brought the patient

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Speaker 1: into this altered reality where they would see their loved one.

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Speaker 1: Very fascinating research. If you look up Dr Alan Botkin

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Speaker 1: and I a d C induced after death communication, Rochelle

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Speaker 1: write does something not similar but different. This is something

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Speaker 1: where you can spend several days and several hours with

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Speaker 1: the therapist for the deeply grieving, but it's got well

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Speaker 1: over success rate at connecting people with their deceased loved ones.

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Speaker 1: Deathbed visitations are another reason to believe in the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: There are so many stories, especially talking to many hospice

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Speaker 1: workers hospice volunteers. Just before someone takes their last breath,

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Speaker 1: very often they tell stories of who's there to greet them.

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Speaker 1: They can spring to life again, even if they were

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Speaker 1: lying rather comatose. They get a burst of energy, they

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Speaker 1: can have mental clarity, and so often they talk about

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Speaker 1: whether it's angels, were loved ones that are there to

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Speaker 1: bring them home. We've spoken about mediums before. There are

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Speaker 1: evidential mediums, their trance mediums, their physical mediums. There's some

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Speaker 1: people that do some pretty incredible things. Once on my travels,

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Speaker 1: I actually witnessed a trance medium who closed their eyes

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Speaker 1: and was sitting in front of another person and they

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Speaker 1: brought themselves down into that deep state and through their

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Speaker 1: mouth the loved one was able to step in and

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Speaker 1: actually have a conversation again with their loved one who

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Speaker 1: was left here on earth. It was something that really

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Speaker 1: challenged my brain, but I knew both parties, and I

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Speaker 1: knew that this was not fake. And to have witnessed

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Speaker 1: a parent apologizing to his son for specifics, or a

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Speaker 1: mother talking to her daughter reliving the time they baked

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Speaker 1: us certain kind of cake was just amazing. Again, the

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Speaker 1: medium could not have known these kind of details. And

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Speaker 1: with my own training and development and the things that

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Speaker 1: have come from my own mind that have been accurate

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Speaker 1: about people's loved ones that I have never met, it's

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Speaker 1: an amazing experience. If you're someone who is interested in

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Speaker 1: just tapping into your own psychic abilities or finding out

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Speaker 1: what's there. On my website Sandra Champlain dot com, you

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Speaker 1: can click on a calendar link. We often have different

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Speaker 1: courses and some free demonstrations on Sundays and and other

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Speaker 1: things I think you would like. Every human being is

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Speaker 1: a soul having a human experience, So I think it's

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Speaker 1: our God given right to really know who we are.

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Speaker 1: Some of the organizations that I said that are out there,

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Speaker 1: first of all, we have if you are a parent

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Speaker 1: and you have a child who is in the spirit world.

742
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Speaker 1: A great organization called Helping Parents Heal that deals with

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Speaker 1: grief and also believes in the afterlife. They hold so

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Speaker 1: many free things. Everything is free online with well over

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Speaker 1: fourteen thousand global members. It's a great, great organization. Also

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Speaker 1: Afterlife Research and Education Institute. You can type in Afterlife

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Speaker 1: Studies dot org. The president of the organization is Dr

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Speaker 1: R Craig Hogan, who wrote Your Eternal Self. Now having

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00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: written many books, it is a great place to go

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Speaker 1: for research. There's online zoom meetings. There's so many things

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Speaker 1: going on. You can join the newsletter and find out

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00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world of afterlife research. I

753
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: can't recommend it enough. Afterlife Studies dot org i AM

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Speaker 1: dot org is the International Association for Near Death Studies.

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00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: You can also go to Afterlife Data dot com, Afterlife

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00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: Library dot com. There's a great website called I Digital

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Speaker 1: Medium dot com. Bob Olsen, who was a private investigator,

758
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: he's got Afterlife TV dot com. Of course, the Arthur

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00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: Finley College dot org is a place that teaches mediumship

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00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: and other great things. We spoke with ROBERTA. Grimes, her

761
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: radio show is called Seek Reality and you can find

762
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: out more at ROBERTA. Grimes dot com. Victor and Wendy

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00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: Zammitt from Australia have been long time, like well over

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00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: thirty years research of the afterlife and every Friday they

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00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: put out the Friday Afterlife Report. You can find out

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Speaker 1: more at Victor zam At dot com. And then there's

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00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: me who's interviewed over three d people about the afterlife

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Speaker 1: and you can find out more about all my work

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Speaker 1: into afterlife and grief and the whole world of what

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Speaker 1: I'm passionate about at Sandra Champlain dot com. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back in just a moment to find out a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about what awaits us in the afterlife. Silver

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Speaker 1: Birch and this Spiritual Truth Foundation. You're listening to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Media and Coast Coast,

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Shamplain on the new I Heart

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Speaker 1: Media and Coast to Coast, an paranormal podcast network. Don't forget.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to Shades of the Afterlife on the

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sander Champlain, and I'd like to tell you about

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Speaker 1: a man named Maurice Barbanel. Maurice spent fifty years as

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Speaker 1: founder and editor of the weekly spiritualist newspaper Psychic News,

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Speaker 1: devoted to sharing spiritual knowledge and evidence of the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: But he wasn't always spiritual. Born to a Jewish mother

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Speaker 1: and atheist father, Maurice adopted the views of his father

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Speaker 1: and then turned to agnosticism, Not knowing whether God existed

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Speaker 1: or not. He heard about spiritualism from a speaker at

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Speaker 1: a social and literary club of which he was secretary,

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Speaker 1: but refused to debate the subject because he had made

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Speaker 1: no personal investigation. Maurice was invited to attend a seance

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Speaker 1: but thought he fell asleep. Upon waking, he apologized believed

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Speaker 1: that either boredom or tiredness had been responsible, but the

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00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: circle members informed him that he had not been asleep,

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Speaker 1: but had been in a trance and a Native American

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Speaker 1: had spoken through him. Over the years, thousands of hours

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Speaker 1: of wisdom from Silver Birch came through the mouthpiece of

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Speaker 1: trance medium Maurice Barbanell. The Spiritual Truth Foundation was formed

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Speaker 1: by Barbanel on the fifteenth of February nine. It's charitable

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Speaker 1: purposes include the promotion of religious philosophy of spiritualism, the

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Speaker 1: promotion and advancement of spiritual healing, and making grants available

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Speaker 1: to spiritualists who are experiencing financial hardship. You can find

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Speaker 1: many books on the wisdom of Silver Birch on Spiritual

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Speaker 1: Truth Foundation dot org and books by Maurice and Sylvia Barbonel,

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Speaker 1: as well as the history of Spiritualism by Sir Arthur

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Speaker 1: Conan Doyle. I'd like to read to you some words

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Speaker 1: from What Happens When You Die, written by Maurice Barbonnel

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Speaker 1: through the Wisdom of Silver Birch in his book They

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Speaker 1: Shall be Comforted from ninety six. One day after death,

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Speaker 1: you will be the same individual as you were one

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Speaker 1: day before it, except that you will have discarded your

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Speaker 1: physical body. You will express yourself through your etheric body,

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Speaker 1: which is a replica of your physical one. It does not, however,

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Speaker 1: reproduce any of its imperfections. All disease and infirmities will

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Speaker 1: be left behind. The death will hear, the dumb will speak,

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Speaker 1: the blind will see, the cripple will be a cripple

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Speaker 1: no longer. You must try and understand that life in

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Speaker 1: the spirit world is not dreamy or nebulous. It is

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Speaker 1: full of activity. It is just as real as the

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Speaker 1: life that each one of us lives here. We are

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Speaker 1: accustomed to think of the material world as being real

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Speaker 1: and solid, although actually this is not so, as the

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Speaker 1: science of physics proves, the things of the mind or

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Speaker 1: the spirit seem to us shadowy and vague. But to

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Speaker 1: those who live on the other side, the mental is

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Speaker 1: the real and the physical is the shadow. This may

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Speaker 1: be hard for you to grasp, but you will find

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Speaker 1: a perfect analogy. If you think of your dreams. When

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Speaker 1: you dream, all the things that you encounter are real

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Speaker 1: at the time of their happening, then only become dreams

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Speaker 1: when you wake up. If you never woke up, then

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Speaker 1: that state would become your reality. The spirit world is

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Speaker 1: around and about us. Some people see it and hear

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Speaker 1: it because they can tune into its vibrations. It is

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Speaker 1: not situated in some far off continent. It is part

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Speaker 1: of the universe, blending and intermingling with the physical world.

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Speaker 1: You must dis this from your mind. The old fashioned

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Speaker 1: theological idea that after death there is an undisturbed eternal sleep.

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Speaker 1: There may be at first a short time of rest

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Speaker 1: to enable the newly arrived spirit to adjust himself to

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Speaker 1: his new life. This usually takes a little time. Then

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Speaker 1: he meets those who have preceded him. Families are reunited,

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Speaker 1: old associations are reestablished, friendships are renewed. I know the

854
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: question you will ask is how will I be able

855
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: to recognize those who have gone before? This is not

856
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: a real difficulty. They will know you, having watched over

857
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: you and kept in constant touch with you. Then, because

858
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: the spirit world is a place where thought is the reality.

859
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: They will be able to show themselves to you as

860
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: you knew them. There is, however, one great factor always

861
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: operating in the spirit world, the unalterable law of attraction.

862
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: Only those of like spiritual qualities can meet on the

863
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: same plane in the new life. The husband and wife,

864
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: who were only held together on earth by a legal tie,

865
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: and between whom no real love existed, will not be

866
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: together in the spirit life. Sometimes people are puzzled because

867
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: they learn that there are houses on the other side.

868
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: You must remember, though, these are not houses made of

869
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: bricks and mortar, but constructed out of thought. This applies

870
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: also to the clothing that is worn. The instinct to

871
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: clothe oneself is deeply rooted and has become habitual. No

872
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: one would dream of walking through the streets unclothed. This

873
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: habit is part of our mental makeup. That is why

874
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: it persists on the other side, where mental states are

875
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: the reality. What about food, You may ask, do they eat?

876
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: As long as there is a desire for food, This

877
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: mental desire is mentally satisfied. In the spirit world. There

878
00:55:55,120 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: are no language difficulties. All people of all nations can

879
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: the same language thought. There are no words to be mouthed,

880
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: for ideas are conveyed telepathically from one person to another. Words,

881
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: after all, are but clumsy substitutions for thoughts. They are

882
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: artificial means by which we communicate our ideas to one another.

883
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: But words can never adequately express the thoughts one is

884
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: trying to convey. One day, when the human race has evolved,

885
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: language will be abolished. We will have learned how to

886
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: send our ideas to each other telepathically. Then many of

887
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,959
Speaker 1: our international difficulties will disappear. In the spirit world, each

888
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: person's thoughts are known and cannot be hidden. There can

889
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: be no deception or pretense. Every individual is known for

890
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: what he is. He cannot deceive anybody, for lying is impossible.

891
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: What about age, you may ask, what happens to old people?

892
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: Who pass on? Physical age and mental growth do not

893
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: proceed at the same rate. We rashly judge a man's

894
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: mentality by the age of his physical body. Here on

895
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: the other side of life, it is the mind which survives,

896
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: and mental growth consists of progress towards maturity. Little children

897
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: will grow older, the older people will grow young in spirit.

898
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: What work do they do in this earthly life of ours?

899
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: There are thousands of singers who have never sung, actors

900
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: who have never acted, painters who have never painted, poets

901
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: who have never written, musicians who have never composed a

902
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: note of music. All these talents have never had an

903
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: opportunity of being expressed, because, through economic circumstances, usually the

904
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: owners had to follow some other occupation to secure their

905
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: bread and butter. On the other side, they can express

906
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: their talents. There are no square pegs in round holes

907
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: in that world. For them, life is one continuous road

908
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: of progress, each person striving to eliminate the dross from

909
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: his nature and perfecting his own being, and that striving

910
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: for perfection. There is no limit. It goes on for eternity.

911
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: The spirit world will not be so unfamiliar as we think,

912
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: because most of us visit it in our sleep state. Unfortunately,

913
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: few of us remember what transpires when however, we pass

914
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: on the law of association of ideas, will recall how

915
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: our nocturnal experiences. Of course, it takes some time for

916
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: the newly arrived spirit to acclimate himself to the conditions

917
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: of life. On the other side. This process of awakening

918
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: differs according to the knowledge of spirit life that the

919
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: dead man had before his passing. The more ignorant he was,

920
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: the longer it will take him to familiarize himself with

921
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: his new conditions. Then, to those who are trained in

922
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: very orthodox ideas with rigid conceptions of after death states,

923
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: experience a great difficulty because the next stage of life

924
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: being a mental one, they live in the mental world

925
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: they have created until they have evolved sufficiently to dispel

926
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: this illusion. When we pass on, we do not enter

927
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: through Heaven's pearly gates. Neither do we descend to Hell

928
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: through lakes of fire and brimstone. We do not sleep forever.

929
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: Each one of us naturally gravitates to the spiritual sphere

930
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: for which we are fitted, according to the life we

931
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: have lived and the character we have evolved. Here. We

932
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: cannot occupy a higher sphere than the spiritual status we

933
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: have received, nor will we desire to occupy a lower one. Automatically,

934
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: we shall go to that plane of spirit life for

935
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: which we are fitted. We shall not be able to

936
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: pretend we are better or worse. For stripped of our

937
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: physical body, we shall be revealed and known for what

938
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: we are. People who have lived normal lives will not

939
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: find anything to disappoint them when they arrived to the

940
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: spirit world. It is the selfish man who has to

941
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: face great difficulties due to his earthly habits, which act

942
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: as a barrier to be overcome by progress before he

943
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: is fitted to associate with those he loves. If by

944
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: virtue of life he has lived upon earth, he has

945
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: cut himself off from those who love him, that will

946
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: be his hell. What is heaven? It is the reward

947
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: of a life wisely spent on earth, for it will

948
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: mean that automatically we reach those who we love. Heaven

949
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: and hell are mental states. Of course, those who dwell

950
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: on higher planes can, if they desire, visit spirits on

951
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: relatively lower spheres. This they often do, but it is

952
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: impossible for those on lower or planes to visit those

953
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: un higher. In many cases, those who die go through

954
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: a difficult period of stress due to the fact they

955
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: cannot reach the ones they love on earth. When they

956
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: have awakened to an understanding of their new life, they

957
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: naturally return to their loved ones and try to tell

958
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: them of their survival. They find it hard to understand

959
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: that while they can see the earthly members of their families,

960
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: the bereaved are unable to sense the presence of those

961
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: for whom they are mourning. This is a very poignant

962
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: sorrow that thousands of spirits experience. They do all they

963
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: can to attract the attention of earthly friends, but too

964
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: often they fail and cannot console them by some law

965
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: which we do not understand. Those on the other side

966
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: know a little beforehand when someone is going to pass

967
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: from this world. They make the necessary preparations to greet

968
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: them and to help them with their passing. This explains

969
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: the fact that on hundreds of occasion, people before they

970
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: die have named dead relatives they said could see them

971
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: in the room. Sometimes these spirit relatives have been seen

972
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: by those in attendance on the dying person. Clairvoyance who

973
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: have witnessed the death of an individual tell us that

974
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: they can see a replica of the physical body gradually rise,

975
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: connected for a while by a thread. It is what

976
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: the Bible describes as a silver cord which is attached

977
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: to the vicinity near the brain. When the thread is snapped,

978
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: death takes place. This etheric body is then seen to

979
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: rise upwards until it disappears from view. The one thing

980
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: that brings the greatest sorrow to those who have passed

981
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: on is our excessive grief. This, curiously enough, acts as

982
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: a deterrent to them getting close to us. They do

983
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: not like the constant visits to the graveyard, as they

984
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: know they are not there. Most spiritualists make a habit

985
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: of placing flowers near the photograph of the one who

986
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: has passed on, particularly remembering anniversaries. This serves to perpetuate

987
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 1: the idea that the spirit is constantly in the home.

988
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: Spiritualists also indulge in the habit of mentally communicating with

989
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: those who have passed on by sending them messages and

990
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: treating them as if they were actually present in the room.

991
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: I know that these messages are received, for again and

992
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: again I have heard Spirit return thanks for this communion.

993
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: Apart from labor, there is opportunity for recreation and enjoyment.

994
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: There are means of education and instruction in all branches

995
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: of life, in just that particular form of knowledge which

996
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: the spirit desires. Of course, many of them are engaged

997
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: on tasks which mean cooperation with people in this world.

998
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: Some of them are hard at work helping to make

999
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: communication between the two worlds easier. Others attracted by people

1000
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: in our world who are following similar lines of research, industry, art,

1001
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: or reform naturally returned to inspire those efforts. Although often

1002
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: people in this world are unconscious of spirit interest, I

1003
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly recommend you study the philosophy of Silver Birch and

1004
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: visit Spiritual Truth Foundation dot org. Although the spirit world

1005
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: does seem great, we each came here for a purpose,

1006
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: so be bold, courageous and go discover yours. Thank you

1007
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: for joining us. You've been listening to Shades of the

1008
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Media and Coast to Post

1009
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: a M Paranormal podcast network. You've been listening to Shades

1010
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain for shows like this

1011
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: and others. Please make sure to tune into the new

1012
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: I Heart Media in Coast to Coast dam Paranormal Podcast Network,

1013
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

1014
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,080
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1015
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