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Speaker 1: with our radio. This is the almost famous podcast. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're here again. So much to break down. I think

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Speaker 1: this episode, Ashley, is worth breaking down. We have to,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of our jobs. But the hot gass, as

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Speaker 1: they say around the world, uh, is really interesting this

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Speaker 1: week as well. So Ashley, you watched, you enjoyed wat

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Speaker 1: I did enjoy? You like this episode? Huh? Um? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think there was as there has been a little

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Speaker 1: I thought we were going to get more tea from

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Speaker 1: the Zack situation. We did not, but there was there

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Speaker 1: was um scoop. Yeah, there was definitely like a lot

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Speaker 1: to ponder. I feel like I spent this whole episode pondering, Ashley.

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Speaker 1: I spent this whole episode trying to figure out what

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Speaker 1: exactly what happened in the fantasy suite that made Zack

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Speaker 1: go I saw a different person. I mean that's a

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Speaker 1: and something happened in that room that made him go,

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Speaker 1: you aren't the same human I've known through this whole process.

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Speaker 1: It happened so clearly enough to him that he walks out,

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Speaker 1: I'm confused. I'm confused by his terminology. So he goes,

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Speaker 1: you weren't the bat like you were the Bachelorette Rachel,

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Speaker 1: not the Rachel that I got to know. So does

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Speaker 1: that mean like that? He thinks, like, what's the difference

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Speaker 1: because you think they've been on camera the entire time,

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Speaker 1: So wouldn't the terms be different. Wouldn't Bachelorette Rachel will

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Speaker 1: We have to kind of read between the lines. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's not side I'm on, But I

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Speaker 1: just don't know where I stand because I really don't

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Speaker 1: know what happened. Um, I think that is Zach is

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Speaker 1: trying not to use exactly whether it's whether it's him

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Speaker 1: well that's fair. Um, I just it felt like Bachel

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00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: Nation was very much as you said, it felt was

427
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: on the side of even Um, this was just unfortunate.

428
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: You guys weren't on the same page. That's fair. Maybe

429
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: it needed in because you weren't on the same page

430
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: and you didn't have the same interest. But this whole

431
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: scenario last night, uh felt like he was made out

432
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: to be a villain, or at least tried to at

433
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: least have a villain a villain moment, and it was unnecessary,

434
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: didn't fit, it didn't sit. I don't know anybody today

435
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: waking up being like that even guy like he's just

436
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: the worst. Ah that it just felt like the show

437
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: misread it. And it felt like the whole scenario was awkward.

438
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: But you think you think that it was different than

439
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: Jason last week because because Even was saying that he

440
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: was emotionally like ready to take this on, and like

441
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: Ajason was saying that like he wasn't there yet. Yeah,

442
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: I think the difference is Even was like, I still

443
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: want to be here with you, Like I'm not asking

444
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: to leave and I'm not breaking up with you. Actually,

445
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight to be here for you. Uh. And

446
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: so Even was just saying, Hey, but if you're wanting

447
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: a proposal at the end of this, I don't know

448
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: if I'm the man to give it to you, but

449
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: I do believe is I'm the man that can be

450
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: alongside of you past this show where Jason was like,

451
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm just not ready, which he's pretty much saying, I'm

452
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: just not that end of you. Like we're getting into

453
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: the end here and I'm seeing this, I'm like, I

454
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: don't even want to be with you at the end

455
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: of this. We're Aven's like, please keep me here. Uh,

456
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: just let you know. You know, we're a week or

457
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: so away from the end of this, and this is

458
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: where I'm at right now. What's funny is I thought

459
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: they could have given even like a Bachelor edit. You know,

460
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: I feel like the fantom right, the fandom would be

461
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: out for him to be the Bachelor. But it wasn't

462
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: even like they were going with that angle. Jessica hasn't

463
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: watched one episode this season. She came in last night

464
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: as he was on TV, and she goes, He's the

465
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: next Bachelor, right, And I was like, God, She's like,

466
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: he's he's like good looking, gorgeous and so sweet and

467
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: he's being very kind and well like who else do

468
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: they have? And I was like, actually, I'm I'm with you, Hunt,

469
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: like this dude should be the next Bachelor. Like, I

470
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: think it would be a huge win for the show.

471
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know who's making those decisions anymore,

472
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: but I'm assuming it's going to be like Meatball or

473
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: somebody will be chosen. What's happening now? This is just

474
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: one craziness, all right, Ash walk us through, uh the

475
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: Tino just because we're backing with the We're going to

476
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: compare this with the Tino scenario, the Tino's hometown or

477
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: I guess meeting of the parents. So with Tino, everything

478
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of just goes hunky dory. It's pretty great. Rachel's

479
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: dad is an intimidating dude, but he's like, Rachel, I

480
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: like you. He's like to, you know, we're work work, cool,

481
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: let's do this. Um. There are only issue that they

482
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: could bring up with Tino is the fact that, like

483
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: when it comes to his construction job, he often can

484
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: work on one building for years long term, long term,

485
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: and that may not drive with her situation as a pilot.

486
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: But if that's that's the only problem they have with him,

487
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Yeah. I mean, there's there's just no

488
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: depth to this, But I don't know, there was like

489
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: a little bit because I think that like her dad

490
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: is hard on guys, and he just seemed to drive

491
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: with him right away. So that was nice to see.

492
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: And like, I don't know necessarily that there needs to

493
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: be like any heaviness to it, as if there's like, um,

494
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: just like a good vibe going on. I think that's

495
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: a good first meeting ing. It was a good first meeting.

496
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: I guess it all threw me off when when this

497
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: whole thing gets very brought up about hometowns and the

498
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: dad's asking him, you know, why were your was your

499
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: family not supportive? All of rachel Ones is a supportive family.

500
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: And Tino's responses, I don't really know what we talked

501
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: about sports. Oh, that's right, But you know, that's what

502
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: some guys have with their dads. That's just sometimes the

503
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: depth of their relationship, which is like, obviously, I'm not

504
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: encouraging that to be the only thing that you talked

505
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: about with your dad, but I'm just saying that's the

506
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: reality of the situation. Is a lot of guys don't

507
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: get deep with other men. That's fair. But even on

508
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: this environment, like you would think that you would talk

509
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: about something. I mean, I guess what I'm confused by,

510
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: actually is Tino's dad was so anti Rachel to her face,

511
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: and so anti this environment that you would think that

512
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: he would have. So it's something to Tina. If he

513
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: feels so strongly to say it to Rachel, then why

514
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: not say it to your son. Uh, That's what I'm

515
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: confused by. I'm not even confused by Tino's dad. Tino's

516
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: dad based on his social media activity, which, by the way, guys,

517
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: if you're not not caught up, he basically comments on

518
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: each episode and he like talks on Rachel with each episode,

519
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: like last night he was complaining about like her crying

520
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: so much or something like that. The guy just wants attention.

521
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: This guy is just like he loves that he has

522
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: a spotlight on him. That's the only reason why he'd

523
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: be like so outspoken. I don't think that it's Rachel.

524
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: I think he was going to create drama in any way.

525
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: He is the new Barb. He is the Barbed version.

526
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: But I also think, like I think Barbed in hindsight

527
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: was being protective and maybe not like going after spotlight. Right,

528
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: not everything, not everything Barb was saying was like, oh

529
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: she no, because she loved remember how she loved Angel

530
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: Hannah Ann. So it's like she did, like she just

531
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: had opinions with this guy. He just wants to hate.

532
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: He's just like an internet troll who got a little spotlight.

533
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's really awkward. Is he's ruining the show? Oh,

534
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: he's spoiling it? Yeah, because to a certain extent, if

535
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Tino's the last one left and Tino's dad

536
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: is hating on Rachel. So what does that tell us?

537
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: That tells us that they're probably not together and bad

538
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: family dynamic. It's so bad. This has made him a

539
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: strange to his family, probably, But between the scenes in

540
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: the next episode and what his dad continues to say, yeah,

541
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good for the two of them. No,

542
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: this is not this is not going down a good path. Um,

543
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: I just I yeah, I don't have much cut to

544
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: comment on that because I think it's just very inappropriate.

545
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for parents and family to be

546
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: invited into the show when hometowns happened. I think it's

547
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: really inappropriate when parents um publicly do things that can

548
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: possibly hurt their child as their child tries to navigate

549
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: these waters. And I get very I get very frustrated

550
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: with that because that's just the parents are overstepping their bounds. Um,

551
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: I would say, and I'd say that Tino's dad's face,

552
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: stay off of Facebook. You ain't getting any more popular

553
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: because you're commenting your flame is about to go away.

554
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: All right. So wait, let's before we wrap with Rachel,

555
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: which was predominantly the junk of the episode, let's just

556
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: let's talk about those scenes to the next episode, because

557
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: we do only have one guy left for her. It's Tino,

558
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and we knew she like we really knew last week

559
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: she was going to end up with Tina, which also

560
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: like kind of makes me feel like the whole Aven

561
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: thing was like a big, like over exaggeration, like she

562
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: just didn't want him to leave because she said to him,

563
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm falling in love with you, and she said to Tino,

564
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: I am in love with you. It was like so different.

565
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: We knew that she was gonna pick Tina. Um. But anyway,

566
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: so there's one guy left, and in the scenes we

567
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: see that she says like, oh my god, Gabby, how

568
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: exciting this is. We get to um get engaged today

569
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: to the loves of our lives, like they're perfect men.

570
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: We're getting engaged. Like yeah, Rachel is very very focused

571
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: on the engagement. And then we see her and Tino

572
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: in like big fight, and if I'm using my bachelor's senses,

573
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: the fight looks like it may have occurred at a

574
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: different time and place, just because they look a little different,

575
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, his hairs a little longer, So possibly they

576
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: do get engaged. And then this fight is afterward a

577
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: law of Becca and Ari or a Hannah and Jed,

578
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: so we'll see, but we'd still get no previews of

579
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: like a knee down or anything like that for either

580
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: a the girls, we see Gabby. We only see Gabby

581
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: at the altar, you know, in her dress, waiting for

582
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: a man to approach. I thought we said, no we

583
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: saw Rachel. We do we see Rachel alter situation. Maybe

584
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: it's just because I keep thinking about Gabby's adorable like

585
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: Mexican theme dress. Oh yeah, but Rachel was there? Okay, okay, okay, okay.

586
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: Uh so basically seen the next episode. Do you take

587
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: anything away that I missed? Uh? No, I think your

588
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: spot on. I think we can assume that something happened.

589
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: We should make a lot of sense for again, why

590
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Tino's dad is outspoken against Rachel. Um, we can assume

591
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: that based on the facial expressions, uh, that Gabby is

592
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: still very happy? Um? Can we? Gabby seemed very happy

593
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: last night when she's yeah in the little square, the

594
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: Yellow Square. Okay, that's like a whole other thing we

595
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: should talk about last episode. Last night's episode, we saw

596
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: the girl's facial expressions throughout almost the entire show. This

597
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: little Yellow Bucks where we've got a live feed of

598
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: them watching themselves. Now, it's fun in the certain in

599
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: the sense that like we get to see like all

600
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: the reactions, right, we get to see like how they

601
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: are watching this bag. You're looking for all these um

602
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: like body language signs that will give us teasers as

603
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: to what's to come. But at the same time, it

604
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: might be like a little that's fun to try to

605
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: figure out somebod's facial expressions. You know. I do that

606
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: here when they come on the show, and I like

607
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: try to say the guy's name and see if they smile.

608
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: But it's also like a little spoiling because we see

609
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: the entire time that Rachel looks miserable. She didn't crack

610
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: a smile. Okay, maybe she cracked a smile, but she

611
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: cracked fake smiles. Whenever Rachel would smile, you knew it

612
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: was like so for the cameras most for the most part,

613
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: she's she watched that episode with a straight face, if

614
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: not a frownie face. Like that is not a happy

615
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: girl right now. That is not a girl who wants

616
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: to like next week to happen, you know what I mean.

617
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: You know, like when you have something that you dread

618
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, that day it's there,

619
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: it's lingering, and I'm dreading it, like I'm counting, like

620
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm savoring every hour until we get to that day.

621
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: I feel like that's how she feels about the finale.

622
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think Guarantino are together anymore, but

623
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: we'll see. And then Ben Ben mentions that Gabby is

624
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: smiling the entire time. I think Gabby is overall just

625
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more happy, go lucky in comparison to Rachel.

626
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say she looks her happiest. Yeah, I

627
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: guess I read it as Gabby was trying I mean,

628
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: in comparison, Yeah, I read it as Gabby was trying

629
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: to be there for Rachel last night. If great, Gabby

630
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: was very happy knowing what this episode looked like to Rachel,

631
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: and she was just like, ah, this is so good

632
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: for me, sorry, buddy, like sucks for you, like she said,

633
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: she made the comment when I'm a good when you're

634
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: a good friend, when you're actually friends with somebody, when

635
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: they hurt, you hurt, and she already knows some sweet

636
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: how this plays out. So I just I didn't. I mean,

637
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: I think Gabby's fine. She seems very at peace, very confident.

638
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the end of the episode. Actually,

639
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: if you haven't got a chance go watch the very

640
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: end of the episode where Jesse signing off and the

641
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: two bachelors are staying there. Tell me which one you

642
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: if you didn't know anything about this season and you

643
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: looked at that scene, like which one seems happy and

644
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: which one doesn't. One seems like she's still happy she

645
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: got the experience, and one seems that she was like,

646
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: I wish she never did this. That's what I'm thinking.

647
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: I think Gabby like she's also on Dancing with the Stars.

648
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: She's still getting like cool opportunities. So is I don't

649
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: know that she's I think she's just happy to be there,

650
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: even if she's not happy in a relationship. That's just

651
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: my interpretation of it. But I also just to pick

652
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: up a little body language queue. When we went into

653
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: the scene of Eric clarifying to Gabby that he wasn't

654
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: also ready for an engagement, I saw Rachel put her

655
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: hand on Gabby as if like I'm here for you

656
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: for this now interesting. Yeah, okay, so let's get into

657
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: Eric and Gabby. Yeah, let's take a quick break before that,

658
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: all right, we'll be right back. So the Eric and

659
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: Gabby situation, Ashley, how is this situation different than Avan

660
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: and Rachel, because Eric pretty much does and says something

661
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: very similar is I can't Well, first off, the whole

662
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: date itself very sweet up until the moment where they're

663
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: kissing and she's like I can't wait and blah blah blah,

664
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: and then he says he says a line the music stops.

665
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: It gets super awkward just watching on television where he's like, um,

666
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: like I can't wait to just like be with you

667
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: after this or something like he hinted at not proposing

668
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: to her then and she date you in the real world, Yeah,

669
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: date you in the real world, and she pulled back yeah,

670
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: and was like, oh no, what me? But then but

671
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: then it felt like there was like, um, a mutual

672
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: understanding I don't know, for a while, but then it

673
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of ended abruptly and Gabby was upset. So I

674
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: guess two questions for you, actually, what made this different

675
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: than Aven? And why? What did it not feel as contentious?

676
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: And then where do you think this goes? And what

677
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: do you think we're actually watching? Okay, so I think

678
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: it's probably different than even Once again, I do think

679
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: that like a and has like a certain like warmth

680
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: and wonderful communication style. I think we've seen the communication

681
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: between Gabby and Eric not be always perfect before, so

682
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: now here's like another moment. Then. I also think it's

683
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: different because he's her final one. He was the one

684
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: who made a big point last week about her not

685
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: wanting to really do fantasy sweeps with the other guys,

686
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: and now here he is as the final guy after

687
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: exchanging I love us and like, okay, this is gonna

688
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: be happily ever after with us two. Um oh yeah,

689
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: Like I'm the last guy and I still don't really

690
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: want to propose to you. So that's the that's the difference.

691
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: I think she doesn't really have any other options on

692
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: the table. But I also think it's the communication thing.

693
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: It's just like, wait a second, what's another time that

694
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: we have not seen eye to eye, another time that

695
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: you haven't told me exactly how you feel. Yeah, well,

696
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: the family, like we also we breathed over the family situation.

697
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: The family liked him, what is I you know? Yeah,

698
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: his family just seems super sweet and like they're going

699
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: to be supportive either way. And Grandpa had already met him.

700
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: I don't know that grand I mean, Grandpa says that

701
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: he likes him. I don't think Grandpa is always sold. Yeah,

702
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't think Grandpa is totally sold. I think he

703
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: was like Eric, Eric, the guy that I met, he's

704
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: the final one. This this is also me assuming what's

705
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: going on in Grandpa's mind whatever. I'm just assuming. But

706
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: to me, the entire time, I have not been sold

707
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: on Eric. For her, I have not been. We had

708
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: that one moment at his house where I was like, oh,

709
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: this is so emotional and bonding. But other than that,

710
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't really feel it. I when

711
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: it comes to Grandpa John, I think he is handling

712
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: this situation just like any family member should. He's supportive,

713
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: he's asking a good questions, he's making sure that he's

714
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: seeing the situation for what it is. But he's also

715
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: not stepping in the way of stuff that he doesn't

716
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: know anything about, Like he's not stepping in the way

717
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: of a process, or he's not stepping in the way

718
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: of Gabby's feelings. He's listening and he's saying, Hey, I'm

719
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: just happy that my Gabby, my ding bat is so like,

720
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: is so good right now? You know this Eric guy,

721
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: he's he if Gabby is into him and he's into her,

722
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: then like my own personal opinions of what she should

723
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: be dating doesn't really matter because it's making her happy.

724
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: Grandpa John has handled from last season of this season

725
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: the show perfectly. I mean, he's gone on dates and

726
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: he's been funny and he's laughing, he's been himself. He's

727
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: gone to hometowns and now to family visits and he

728
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: he's still just you can tell he has wisdom under

729
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: his belt. That's what comes with age. I think if

730
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: you let it, and uh, I think he's shined. I

731
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: don't think you'd ever get out of him if he

732
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: wasn't into Eric or not. I don't think that. I don't.

733
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: I think if he had like some big red flags, maybe,

734
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: but just like his own personal preference based on what

735
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: he knows in a very short period of time, I

736
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: just don't think he seems like the type of guy

737
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: that would be outspoken on stuff he does not know

738
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: much about. You're that was so well put, Ben, so

739
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: well put? How do you fail about Eric and Gabby?

740
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: I keep saying that, like, I'm not sold on Eric,

741
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: but I don't hear about What do you think about Eric? Yeah?

742
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: I think I actually I'm a fan of it. Uh

743
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: I think up until this point, I didn't know really

744
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: Eric's feelings towards Gabby. I'm very interesting. I think I'll

745
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: be able to tell you confidently obviously after next week.

746
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: I just I want Eric and it comes to this

747
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: relationship if he's really into Gabby, to show that he's

748
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: really into Gabby, um, you know, to say it, to

749
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: show it. It doesn't feel like any of the guys

750
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: really in the final six are like intenly pursuing the

751
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: bachelorette other than Tino. Tino seemed very confident and sold out.

752
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, you might like it or not, but he

753
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: seems very confident that Rachel is the person for him.

754
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: Nobody else on either side is like really that, like

755
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a day without you type emotion, uh,

756
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: which usually we see we see tears with people getting

757
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: broken up with We see tears in these final weeks

758
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: because people are so like their hearts are breaking, because

759
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: they're so in love. We're not seeing that. It just

760
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: feels like all these people are out there, like I

761
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Love Island, just to kind of date and see if

762
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: they end up at the end together, which again I'm

763
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: okay with. I just want to know what we missed

764
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: this season or what the bachelorettes missed or what the

765
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: cast members missed were like, everybody's so okay not really

766
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: diving into these relationships because yeah, like Eric, you can

767
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: get we seemed great together, but we don't know much

768
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: about how he feels yet. The only thing we know

769
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: now is that he's not He's like once the date,

770
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: he just cool too. But I just keep thinking with Eric,

771
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: she keeps saying, I feel so honored to be loved

772
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: by a man like Eric. Just repeats over and over again,

773
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, I don't see like necessarily the

774
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: character that you're talking about based on you know, on

775
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: the show, not to say that it doesn't exist, just

776
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: like I haven't really like seen why it's so incredible,

777
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: Like I can kind of I would be okay with

778
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: Rachel saying that about even that would make sense to me,

779
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: but like, I don't haven't seen anything with with Eric.

780
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: It's just you too, like he should be saying like

781
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: I can't believe that a girl like Gabby would want

782
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: to be with me. Yeah I'm so lucky. Um, yeah,

783
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: I agree. It's also weird. Maybe I was just reading

784
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: into it when she came to the door, he like

785
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: tried to kiss her in the cheese. I don't know

786
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: if you saw that, but that feels it feels like

787
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: odd for somebody you're in love with. Is like when

788
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: you haven't seen him in a few days and they

789
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: show up to your door and you give a little

790
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: kiss on the cheek. Yeah. I don't know, just a

791
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: small note. Well leading into next week, Ashley, Uh, we've

792
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: now have all the family visits completed. We had the

793
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: episode last night where it's like semi live, semi filmed.

794
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if people and I

795
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: don't know nowadays if people just really enjoy hating on

796
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: the show, if that's why they watch it, or if

797
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: like they really just didn't enjoy last night's episode. But

798
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: it feels like for the last couple of weeks people

799
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: are more negative towards the whole show and not just

800
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: towards like the villain, which used to be the case.

801
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if that will change. I don't know

802
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: where we go from here when it comes to the show,

803
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: But it felt like last night's episode kind of missed

804
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: or majorly missed on on a lot of the topics

805
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: that were being done uh, and it just kind of

806
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: felt like, again I I watched it, and I could

807
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: be wrong, and I preferace this was saying that Jesse

808
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: I think has done a great job. I felt like

809
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: last night Jesse Palmer was was not believable. I didn't

810
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: watch him and go, you are the unbiased console and

811
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: host of this show who is helping clarify things that

812
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: are unclarifiable to the viewer. I feel like last night

813
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: he had an agenda that he was probably um given

814
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: and he was trying to get us to complete that

815
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: and to believe in this agenda, and I just don't

816
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: think it worked, which made me go, I don't know.

817
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: I As a result, about halfway through those little like

818
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: live breakouts, I was like, I don't want to need

819
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: to watch this, Like this is just this is bogus

820
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I will say that there are moments

821
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: where I was like, that question definitely came from an earpiece. Yeah,

822
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: it fell off. So we do look forward to next week.

823
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot to break down. I'm interested in what

824
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: this whole Tina Rachel scenario looks like. I want them

825
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: both happy. I'm still in the UH in the camp

826
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: of both of them. I don't think this was Rachel's

827
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: best episode. I don't think. I think we're really confused

828
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: on why she handled the things she did the way

829
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: she did. But I want them both walking out of

830
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: this happy and so let's see if that leads last week.

831
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: The only reason I would say I think they're both

832
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: doing okay is because there's no way they would have

833
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: a teaser that dramatic and that full of tears unless

834
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: this ends with a happy ending or they're just you

835
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think that Rachel's happy based on

836
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: her facial expressions. I can't do it. I can't do it,

837
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: but you might be right about Gabby and I hope so.

838
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: And then, what's up with this interactive fan experience that

839
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: is going to change everything? What do you think that

840
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: is interact? Oh my god, oh MG, it just popped

841
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: in my head when you asked the question. I think

842
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: that maybe they'll do a vote on who should be bad,

843
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: perfect love it? I think they should. Why not? They

844
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: should let's bring Bachelor Nation in. They'd have to have

845
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: these guys contracted and all ready to go, and then

846
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: they'd have to be like, Okay, of these four guys,

847
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: who do you want to be the bachelor. That would

848
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: be the best thing ever. That would be sick. Oh

849
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: my god, let's go. Let's go. You heard it here

850
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: first on the Almost Famous podcast. We believe that they

851
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: are going to let us vote on who will be

852
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: the next Bachelor, and that to us sounds like a

853
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: great idea. Hey, Ashley, it's time for bachelor headlines. We

854
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of them today. Um so let's take

855
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: a break and we come back. We're gonna break down

856
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: all the things going on in Bachelor Nation. It's a lot.

857
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: First headline is this Bachelor Nation's Nate, who was with

858
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: at one point Michelle admits the way he broke up

859
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: with Michelle Young was a and I quote dick move.

860
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: This according to e Okay, So, Nate was on Nick's

861
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: podcast last week, and he really spilled a lot of guts.

862
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: I write a lot of the articles that recapped the

863
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: podcast saw I'm a friend Nick and did not listen.

864
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: But Nate said these are the big quotes that came

865
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: out of it. Okay. He said his relationship with her

866
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: was rough. There were a lot of ups and downs,

867
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: a lot of arguments and fights and not really clicking,

868
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: not really seeing eye to eye. There was a moment

869
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: in January where like they almost basically broke up and

870
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: they got through, and then there was a whole bunch

871
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: of controversy speculation about what was going on when they

872
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: attended Wango Tango, which was actually like with us, you know,

873
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: it's an I heeart thing. Um. Basically they were not

874
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: broken up at Windo Tango. That was a trip where

875
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: they were going to celebrate her birthday. They're going to

876
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: go the con, sir, but things are really rocky, and

877
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: he even admits he's like, you go and watch press

878
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: interviews of us at like the concert, I am not

879
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: really present, Like you can just tell I'm not present

880
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: because things are really awkward. So they were having really

881
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: deep conversations about like their compatibility at this point, and

882
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: they end up breaking up finally, or he kind of

883
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: breaks up with her over a phone call. And this

884
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: is Afterway and Go Tango. The phone call was about

885
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: them going to c m A Fest in Nashville the

886
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: following week, and they're like at both at airports and

887
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out their schedule and she says, Hey,

888
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: if we're not doing c m A Fest this next week,

889
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: we have to give them a reason why. And then

890
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: he goes, I just blurted out we're not doing c

891
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: m as because I can't be with you anymore. He goes, so, yeah,

892
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: I broke up with her over the phone, which is

893
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: a dick move. Uh yeah. So he also continues to

894
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: talk about how like she says she said to us

895
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: and she said to Caitlin on her podcast that she

896
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: was blindsided by the split the split. But he goes,

897
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how you could feel blindsided, um, when

898
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: like there were just so many conversations about her incompatibility,

899
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: how he almost broke up so many times. But she

900
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: keep But he then says, like, you can't tell somebody

901
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: how to feel. So that's how she felt. I can't

902
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: take that away from her. But I know that the

903
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: reality of it is that this wasn't our first time

904
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: talking about the breakup. Cool wow, hard and heavy stuff.

905
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: Heavy stuff, I mean the phone. I don't know. I've

906
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: broken up with somebody over the phone before. I've been

907
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: broken up with over the phone before. Yeah, I don't know.

908
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a good move, it's not the

909
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: best move. But breaking up in general is just so

910
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: weird and hard and difficult that if you can even

911
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: get to the point of doing it, I'm like, all right, now,

912
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: there's better ways to do it than others. So, uh,

913
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: he did spill his beans. If you want to hear

914
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing, you can listen to Nick's podcast. Next

915
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: headline is this This one is. Um has made a

916
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: lot of headlines this week, and I know, uh yeah,

917
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: it's it feels like it did not become as prevalent

918
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: of a story as it would have a year ago.

919
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: And I don't know why, but here's the headline. The

920
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: Bachelor at Start, Eric, who is still with Gavy, apologized

921
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: for black face photo from high school yearbook. This according

922
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: to Deadline. Yeah, so in the high school yearbook, he's

923
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: twenty nine. So do the math of his you know,

924
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: a decade ago. Basically that there was a picture of

925
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: him dressed up. I think it's a gym. I think

926
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: it's a Jimmy Hendrix costume or something, and the quote

927
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: next to it is it was well, there's like really

928
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: no context. It looks like it was like, obviously obviously

929
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: it was a costume. Um, but he goes. So it

930
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: started circulating on the internet. People were like, this is

931
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: this is Eric from The Bachelor in his yearbook a

932
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: decade ago. Um, So he apologized. He went on Instagram

933
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: and said, I wholeheartedly apologize for the insensitive photo of

934
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: me in black face from my high school yearbook that

935
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: has been circulating. What I thought at the time was,

936
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: um yeah, representation of my love for Jimmy Jimmy Hendricks.

937
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: It was nothing but ignorance. I was naive to the

938
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: I was naive to the hurtful implications of my actions

939
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: to the black community and those closest to me, and

940
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: I will forever regret my offensive and damaging behavior. I

941
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: am deeply ashamed by my actions and understand that my

942
00:52:54,320 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: apology is only the first step in taking accountability. Uh

943
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me, outside of all this, that a

944
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: yearbook would put it in the year I mean, this

945
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: isn't just a photo. This is something like there was

946
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: editors and there was a school approval where this picture

947
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: was posted in the yearbook. Um you know which. My

948
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: maces make us ask more questions, But that's the headline.

949
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: He has apologized again. If I wouldn't be on those

950
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: Bachelor like scoop pages, I would have never known this

951
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: was happening. This is. I don't know if that's a

952
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: telling fact of where the Bachelor's that today or if

953
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: it's just the way things are, but it is a

954
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: big deal. It's I think what you're saying her, if

955
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: I reading between the lines, is we had this huge controversy,

956
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: huge with Rachel and Matt, you know, with her and

957
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: a plant you know, and at a plantation in address,

958
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: and then this doesn't make huge headlines. This doesn't rock

959
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: interesting to me, Like why the question be why anyways? Uh?

960
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: New Dancing with the Stars competitor Gabby Bachelor at Gabby

961
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: reflects on her Bachelor experience as Rachelson's love from afar

962
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: this according to people, so obviously she's very excited um

963
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: about being on Dancing with the Star. She says it's

964
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: gonna be different in a good way. She says she

965
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: feels she feels lucky enough to have this momentum. I

966
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: think I grew so much over the past two seasons

967
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: that now I really get to challenge myself in a

968
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: different way. I think there's gonna be a lot of

969
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: actual vulnerability that comes to this position because nobody knows

970
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Um, plus you have to perform live

971
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: so She says she feels like she's had good building

972
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: blocks for this. It's gonna be interesting to watch Gabby

973
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars. We will be watching. It's

974
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna be streaming this year and streaming only. Alfonso Roberto

975
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: joins Tire Banks as a host the cast. This looks

976
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: pretty good to me, surprising because um, you know, it

977
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: is streaming. I thought they would have a little drop off.

978
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: But this is a pretty good group of people compared

979
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: to what they've been able to get in the past.

980
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: And we'll be rooting on Gabby. Uh from at least

981
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: the comfort of my couch. Jared and I were saying

982
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: that yesterday, we were like, wow, this cast is really

983
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: great for the switchover exactly. Well, big headline this week

984
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: is Bachelor at season twelve alum James McCoy Taylor arrested

985
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: for du yeah d w I and carrying a weapon.

986
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: This according to US Weekly, Actually, what's happening here? Somewhere

987
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: in here two he was with an eighteen year old girl,

988
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: I believe, right exactly. Um, well, James Sailor has a

989
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: whole bunch of tweets if you want to read his

990
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: response to the arrest. But right, now we are just

991
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: going to respond. Um, we are just going to tell

992
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: you the facts that we have from us weekly. Um. So, yes,

993
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: he was arrested at the College Point police station. That's

994
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: because he was in a college area. He was actually

995
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: supposedly driving a girl back to her dorm, an eighteen

996
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: year old back to her dorm um when he was

997
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: pulled over for a drunk driving and then while the

998
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: car was being searched, our weapon was found in the car.

999
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: Uh he I believe. He says that it was his

1000
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: his dad's UM. But yeah, So he was released on bond,

1001
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: and he has been held under two separate um accounts.

1002
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: One was a two thousand dollar fine for his d

1003
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Speaker 1: w I and then there's a four thousand dollar bond

1004
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: for his possession up the firearm. And yeah, that's all

1005
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: we can really share right now. Yeah, I'm reading his

1006
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: tweets as we speak, like I there, yeah, yeah, I

1007
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: mean yeah there. You can read him for what you want. Um.

1008
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: He says that he thinks the girl was of age,

1009
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean eighteen, Like I do believe like she's of age.

1010
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: It just looks like pretty bad to be I mean,

1011
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: she's not off drinking age, but of like conceexual consent

1012
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: and we don't want to even that's I'm just again,

1013
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: we don't know what they were doing together in the car.

1014
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: He was with an eightier mural driving her back to

1015
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: the dorm. That's all we know. Um, it's just is

1016
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: a bad look. This is a bad look. Yeah. I

1017
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: mean he's trying well, but he's drunk driving and that's

1018
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter. He's just trying to get everybody. Like he said,

1019
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: people are gonna hate. I'm sure they are, but he's

1020
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: trying to just convince people of another story. You can

1021
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: read it. But as far as we know, he got

1022
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: a d w I, he was arrested, he did p

1023
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: by his truck. He did admit that at least. Uh.

1024
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: And that's how the headlines we got for your Day.

1025
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Speaker 1: So Ashley, We'll be back next week breaking down the

1026
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: final finale of this season. It's final finale. It's gonna

1027
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: be three hours. Um. People are talking about the three

1028
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: hours and how they can possibly do three hours after

1029
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: we see that both girls only have one guy left. Yeah,

1030
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's going to be something, but it

1031
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be airing next week. We are going to

1032
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Speaker 1: be watching, We're gonna be reading on both bachelorettes until

1033
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: next time. I've Been Been, I've Been Ashley. Follow the

1034
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio,

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