WEBVTT - The Marshall Islands, Part Three: Climate Change

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<v Speaker 1>Slow.

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<v Speaker 2>United Airlines Flight one five four starts to Honolulu. When

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<v Speaker 2>it leaves, it carries not only a full load of passages,

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<v Speaker 2>but also a mechanic and spare parts for the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>On its journey, it stops in the Marshall Islands at

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<v Speaker 2>Marjora and Quadulin before heading west to make three stops

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<v Speaker 2>in Micronesia, and finally it stops in Guan. The next day,

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<v Speaker 2>it turns around does the same route in a reverse

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<v Speaker 2>landing in Majorro you can see the ocean on both

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<v Speaker 2>sides of the plane. In fact, you can see the

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<v Speaker 2>ocean on both sides of the plane from a disturbingly

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<v Speaker 2>low height, and despite this being one of the larger

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<v Speaker 2>islands in the Marshall Islands, it almost looks like the

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<v Speaker 2>plane won't fit on it without a wingtip overhanging the lagoon.

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<v Speaker 2>The plane does fit, of course, and there's even room

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<v Speaker 2>left at Major Airport for the best airport bar that

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen. But even after a couple of hours

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<v Speaker 2>in the company of the island's finest whiskey collection, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very clear that the Marshall Islands are in a great

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<v Speaker 2>deal of danger when it comes to rising sea levels.

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<v Speaker 2>The Marshall Islands don't have much land to begin with,

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<v Speaker 2>and through no fault of their own, their island paradise

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<v Speaker 2>is being gradually lost to the ocean. Start with, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to let Kathy Gentle Kitchener, the poet who he

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<v Speaker 2>heard from yesterday, outline the scale of the threat.

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<v Speaker 3>Climate change is a challenge that few want to take on,

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<v Speaker 3>but the price of inaction is so high. Those of

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<v Speaker 3>us from Oceania are already experiencing it firsthand. We've seen

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<v Speaker 3>waves crashing into our homes and our bread fruit trees

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<v Speaker 3>wither from the salt and drought. We look at our

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<v Speaker 3>children and wonder how they will know themselves or their

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<v Speaker 3>culture should we lose our islands. Climate change affects not

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<v Speaker 3>only US islanders, it threatens the entire world. To tackle it,

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<v Speaker 3>we need a radical change. Of course, this isn't easy.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>It means ending carbon pollution within my lifetime. It means

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<v Speaker 3>supporting those of us most affected to prepare for unavoidable

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<v Speaker 3>climate impacts, and it means taking responsibility for irreversible loss

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<v Speaker 3>and damage caused by greenhouse gas emissions. The people who

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<v Speaker 3>support this movement are indigenous mothers like me, families like

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<v Speaker 3>mine and millions more standing up for the changes needed

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<v Speaker 3>and working to make them happen. I ask world leaders

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<v Speaker 3>to take us all along on your ride. We won't

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<v Speaker 3>slow you down, will help you win the most important

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<v Speaker 3>race of all, the race to save humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Currently, Pacific island nations are responsible for less than zero

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<v Speaker 2>points zero three percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, but

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<v Speaker 2>the United Elations estimates that more than fifty thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>in the Pacific displaced every year, many of them by

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<v Speaker 2>climate change. Of course, people leave for other reasons. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>they're looking for work, which can be hard to find

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<v Speaker 2>on a small land, or perhaps they won the uptunities

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<v Speaker 2>at the United States life offers. Thanks to their Compact

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<v Speaker 2>of Free Association, Marshalise people can live and work in

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<v Speaker 2>the USA without a visa. Most Marshallyse people who do

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<v Speaker 2>leave the islands move to Springdale, Arkansas. It's where the

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<v Speaker 2>largest off island Marshallese community is gathered, and they tend

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<v Speaker 2>to cluster around the reliable jobs offered by the Tyson

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<v Speaker 2>Chicken Factory. In twenty twenty, the Tyson Chicken Factory remained

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<v Speaker 2>open during lockdowns, and people who had left the islands

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<v Speaker 2>for a more steady income and a better chance for

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<v Speaker 2>a stable future, suddenly face more great risks at work.

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<v Speaker 2>Life is by no means easy for marshal Ease people,

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<v Speaker 2>both in the US and at home, and the choices

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<v Speaker 2>they face because of climate change constricting global economy and

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<v Speaker 2>the United States refusing to pay its fair share of

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<v Speaker 2>compensation don't make that any easier. On my last night

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<v Speaker 2>in the Marshall Islands, I was having a beer in

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<v Speaker 2>a bar and chatting with a local journalist. I asked

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<v Speaker 2>him what I should write. He said that I needed

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you that people in the RMI aren't moving

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<v Speaker 2>because they're afraid of waves. We're not afraid of the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>he said. We're ocean people. We go in the ocean

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<v Speaker 2>every day. He was right, of course. The drivers of

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<v Speaker 2>migration are complicated, and they always have been. I always

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<v Speaker 2>tell people who ask me what I cover that they

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<v Speaker 2>cover climate and conflict and migration, because in fact they're

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<v Speaker 2>largely the same things. There are many reasons for migrating

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<v Speaker 2>from the Marshall Islands. If there are people who have left,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of them are valid, But everyone I spoke to,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they'd left or come back or stayed there their

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<v Speaker 2>whole lives were pretty clear that nobody wants the community

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<v Speaker 2>to leave. The people of the Marshall Islands love their

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<v Speaker 2>islands and they want to raise their children and grandchildren

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<v Speaker 2>on their ancestral land. But the people making the choices

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<v Speaker 2>that impact their ability to do that are a long

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<v Speaker 2>way from the lagoon that's creeping closer and closer to

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<v Speaker 2>the houses around Magro at all. Climate change making the

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<v Speaker 2>islands uninhabitable doesn't necessarily mean they'll be swallowed entirely by

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<v Speaker 2>the ocean long before the last scrap of land disappears.

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<v Speaker 2>The rising saltwater will kill bread fruit trees, and flooding

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<v Speaker 2>will destroy homes. To get a center of that threat,

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<v Speaker 2>we spoke to a meteorologist.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm regally white, Regional White, and I'm the meteorologist in church.

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<v Speaker 2>Here ready explained what climate change might do to make

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<v Speaker 2>the islands less easy to live on and eventually perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>impossible to live on. If something doesn't change, it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for people to see these kind of creeping changes. When

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<v Speaker 2>we think about climate change rendering an island uninhabitable, we

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<v Speaker 2>think about that island ceasing to exist, or the house

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<v Speaker 2>is being swept away. By a storm searge or a

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<v Speaker 2>massive king tide perhaps, but in fact the changes are

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<v Speaker 2>more gradual, but no less destructive.

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<v Speaker 5>We have to go back to the imagion scenarios that

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<v Speaker 5>IP is produced, and based on them, worst case scenario,

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<v Speaker 5>if we look at it, I have to open up

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<v Speaker 5>the computer and look at the table. But in one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred years we may be not complete listening, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>not what's important here. What is important is that lens.

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<v Speaker 6>Will be uninevitable way before they sink, because we will

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<v Speaker 6>not be able to drive on the road. We will

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<v Speaker 6>not be able to rely on our water lenses because

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<v Speaker 6>they'll all have salt water into them. As more and

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<v Speaker 6>more frequent salt water introgs and get on top and

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<v Speaker 6>down into the water lens, they will be undrinkable.

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<v Speaker 5>So at what stage can we put that target. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not comfortable at this moment to point that out, but

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<v Speaker 5>I think anyone of us can look at the numbers

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<v Speaker 5>and decide, based on this emission scenario, this is the day.

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<v Speaker 5>Based on that the mission scenario, that is the day.

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<v Speaker 5>So there's not a set day or a what do

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<v Speaker 5>you call it the hair that broke the camel's back?

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<v Speaker 5>What was it. What was the American saying?

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<v Speaker 2>As Reggie explained, the impact of rising sea levels is

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<v Speaker 2>already being seen, particularly in the case of flooding.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, there are many but in a low lying at all,

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<v Speaker 5>your most concerned is flooding, coastal flooding. So we've seen

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<v Speaker 5>more frequent flooding during Landinia. Laninea is the face where

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<v Speaker 5>in the Marshall Islands specifically, you get elevated sea levels

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<v Speaker 5>about ten centimeters or so eight to twelve inches on

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<v Speaker 5>top of the normal sea level at any given time.

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<v Speaker 5>So when there is a storm search king tide, those

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<v Speaker 5>things compound on one another to give us more frequent

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<v Speaker 5>coastal floodings in the low lying areas. If you go

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<v Speaker 5>in the bag of Measuro, you will see people building

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<v Speaker 5>up sea walls to protect their properties. With those sea

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<v Speaker 5>walls the impact has been lessened a bit, but without

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<v Speaker 5>those sea walls, nuisance flooding has been almost a monthly

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<v Speaker 5>occurrence during Alminium phases.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty one, the World Bank and the Marshalleasee

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<v Speaker 2>government produced a report which allowed visualization of the impact

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<v Speaker 2>of climate change on each building in Marjuro in broad strokes.

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<v Speaker 2>The report stated that quote, rising sea levels and the

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<v Speaker 2>atoll nation of the Marshall Islands are projected to endanger

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<v Speaker 2>forty percent of existing buildings in the capitol Marjoro, with

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six percent of the city at risk for frequent

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<v Speaker 2>flooding introduced by climate change. According to a World Bank study,

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<v Speaker 2>change seems to be very hard for the corporations and

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<v Speaker 2>governments most responsible for it. Indeed, one could argue that

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that change is hard because of those corporations and governments.

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<v Speaker 2>Namia Rescuers, a Harvard historian of science, studies the propaganda

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<v Speaker 2>that has allowed major corporations to deny the damage they

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<v Speaker 2>do to the planet and generate massive profits by not

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<v Speaker 2>paying for the negative externalities of their actions. Negative externalities,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not familiar, are the costs that their business

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<v Speaker 2>imposes on other people but they don't pay. In her

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<v Speaker 2>book Merchants of Doubt, Arescus traces how nuclear testing did

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<v Speaker 2>huge damage to the ozone layer. Indeed, much of the

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<v Speaker 2>technology we used today to track global climate change was

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<v Speaker 2>developed using government money. Part of the reason why was

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<v Speaker 2>to assess with the Soviet Union was doing nuclear testing

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<v Speaker 2>by tracking the environmental damage that was done using some

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<v Speaker 2>of the data these instruments created, scientists, among them Carl Sagan,

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<v Speaker 2>began to discuss the possibility of a nuclear winter and

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that any use of nuclear weapons, or even

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<v Speaker 2>a nuclear accident, could put the future of all humanity

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<v Speaker 2>at risk. Unsurprisingly, as huge public relations effort spun up

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<v Speaker 2>to dismiss the idea of nuclear winter and attack the

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<v Speaker 2>concept of nuclear war being an unwinnable proposition. There was,

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<v Speaker 2>after all, a huge amount of money at stick. In

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<v Speaker 2>an excellent New York CARESSI on the subject, Jill Lapour,

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<v Speaker 2>another Harvard historian, outlines a campaign to discredit those scientists

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<v Speaker 2>and their claims. In nineteen eighty four, in an effort

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<v Speaker 2>to count to Carl Sagan and to defend what was

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<v Speaker 2>called the Strategic Defense Initiative, the George C. Marshall Institute

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<v Speaker 2>was founded by Robert Jastro, a NASA physicist, Frederick Seitz,

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<v Speaker 2>a former president of the National Academy of Sciences, and

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<v Speaker 2>William Nieremberg, a past director at Script's Institute of Oceanography

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<v Speaker 2>Right here where I live in San Diego. The Marshall

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<v Speaker 2>Institute began trying to get PBS to not air documentaries

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<v Speaker 2>opposing the strategic defense initiative, the so called star Wars

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<v Speaker 2>program wouldn't be of any use of a single nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>incident could trigger devastating change in the global climate. Another

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<v Speaker 2>Master Institute scientist, Seltz's cousin, Russell, who was a physicist

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<v Speaker 2>at Harvard Center for International Affairs, published an essay in

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<v Speaker 2>the National Interest in the fall of nineteen eighty six

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<v Speaker 2>dismissing the idea of nuclear winter and saying it was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing but a series of long conjectures. He described the

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear winter theory as dead course of death, notorious lack

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<v Speaker 2>of scientific integrity. By nineteen eighty eight, the Institute of

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<v Speaker 2>pivoty and It began publishing the first of many papers

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<v Speaker 2>on climate change. Other scientists there, including Fred Singer, challenged

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<v Speaker 2>the model that predicted a nuclear winter. They've gone on

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<v Speaker 2>to do the same with climate change, claiming that in

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<v Speaker 2>both cases it was far from certain that catastrophic consequences

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<v Speaker 2>would occur. Singer incidentally was a consultant for Arco exon

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<v Speaker 2>shell oil and sol oil. He died in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>after serving for years as a director of Science and

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<v Speaker 2>environment policy at the Heartland Institute, which was founded in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four. Its position on global warming at the

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<v Speaker 2>time was quote, most scientists do not believe human greenhouse

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<v Speaker 2>gas emissions are a proven threat to the environment or

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<v Speaker 2>human well being, despite a barrage of propaganda insisting otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the environmental movement and echoed by its sickophants

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<v Speaker 2>in the mainstream media. In the Marshall Islands, this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of de nihilism, no matter how well funded and qualified,

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<v Speaker 2>really isn't going to stick. Everyone here is personally seen

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<v Speaker 2>the impacts of rising sea levels eroding away on their

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<v Speaker 2>precious land. But it's the actions of people everywhere can

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<v Speaker 2>impact people here, so they have to persuade the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world to care about them.

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<v Speaker 5>I will bet that every Marshal Marshalise understand impacts because

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<v Speaker 5>every Marshalise has been a victim of some coastal inandvision

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<v Speaker 5>has been you know, has been impacted by those, so

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<v Speaker 5>they understand.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>The youngest ones maybe they experienced there first, but the

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<v Speaker 5>older ones they've been around during those days when the

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<v Speaker 5>you know, coastal flooding wasn't an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I like to do in my

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<v Speaker 2>free time is to freedom Sometimes I can collect sea

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<v Speaker 2>urchins or cools, but lots of the time I just

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<v Speaker 2>like to be underwater. I've never done scuba diving. All

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<v Speaker 2>the gear and equipment kind of scares me, but holding

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<v Speaker 2>my breath and swimming around the reef is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>closest thing I'll ever feel to flying. To be able

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<v Speaker 2>to hold your breath for a minute or two underwater,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to get your heart rate very low, and

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<v Speaker 2>this means being very calm, letting tension and stress float away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a magical feeling, and one that I've tapped into

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<v Speaker 2>even outside the water. In stressful situations. Sometimes that ability

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<v Speaker 2>to calm yourself could be a bit too effective. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember once starting to walk off a broken pelvis and

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<v Speaker 2>passing out from blood loss later. Sometimes that calm focus, though,

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<v Speaker 2>can be exactly what you need, like when you're holding

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<v Speaker 2>your breath on the bottom of the ocean and you

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<v Speaker 2>realize that you got your fins tangled and an abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>fishing line and you need to cut it so you

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<v Speaker 2>can get back to the surface and breathe. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>that same ability to remain calm and even happy despite

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<v Speaker 2>what seems like another impending crisis every time I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to Marshally's people about climate change between their nuclear past

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<v Speaker 2>and their perilous future. The Marshallese people have every right

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<v Speaker 2>to be angry, and maybe they are angry when they're

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<v Speaker 2>not told them to British journalists. But whenever I ask people,

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<v Speaker 2>they still seem hopeful, upbeat and excited about the future

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<v Speaker 2>of their country. As we're going to see tomorrow, marshal Lease,

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<v Speaker 2>people are still very much investing in their shared future.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's something we can all learn from. Resilience

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<v Speaker 2>to the Marshallese community, even in the face of what

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<v Speaker 2>seems like a second apocalyptic threat. He's Reggie discussing how

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<v Speaker 2>climate change makes him feel well.

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<v Speaker 5>I try not to dwell on what could happen. I

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<v Speaker 5>could try to think of what we could do now

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<v Speaker 5>to change people's heart, to change how we behave how

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<v Speaker 5>we treat the world. I mean, it's our only home.

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<v Speaker 5>You go out in space and look back. It's one

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<v Speaker 5>lonely place in an entire galaxy of stars and whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>You But when you look at it that way, you

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<v Speaker 5>begin to realize I must respect my police. Who else

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<v Speaker 5>will respect? The divide.

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<v Speaker 2>It's worth noting that some people we talk to are

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<v Speaker 2>less concerned about climate change.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Juliet Maranda from Mussel Island. I live

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<v Speaker 4>on Takhan.

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<v Speaker 2>Juliet's an older resident of wrong Rum, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>outer islands on madro At all her life there is

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<v Speaker 2>in many senses adyllic. Her cook house is built around

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<v Speaker 2>a large bread fruit tree. The tree also serves as

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<v Speaker 2>a work service. It's like a solar punk vision of

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<v Speaker 2>the future where we live in harmony with nature. But

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<v Speaker 2>for her it's just a place she makes lunch along

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<v Speaker 2>with the other wrong Wrung islanders. She served a visiting

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<v Speaker 2>group that I was part of, a delicious lunch of

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<v Speaker 2>coconut breadfruit, pandanas, crabs and rice, where we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>what brought her back to the Marshall Islands after thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years living in the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so though you always are own sick when I'm

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<v Speaker 4>in USA, I miss my you know, war around freedom

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<v Speaker 4>like USA, not go to next door, be goes, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>trust passing, But around here you do everything. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's different, lots different. So I love a the USA.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell liber is good and a lot of different things

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<v Speaker 4>you as do then modules so I love it here.

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<v Speaker 4>I do all my old thing I usually do, breaking

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<v Speaker 4>and make my home chicken and chewing in and on pigeon.

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<v Speaker 4>Shanna Barbara, you have to get a guy to go

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<v Speaker 4>to the peach over year recruiting Peachie.

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<v Speaker 2>She clearly loves her little piece of paradise, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy to see why she was happy to share it

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<v Speaker 2>with us, as were all the islands on Wrong Room,

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<v Speaker 2>I short walk away from her house. Her neighbor's children

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<v Speaker 2>played in the sand with their pigs, chickens and dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's certainly a very different place from Santa Barbara. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>she spent much of her time in States, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>no less special. Like many Marshal Leaves, she has a

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<v Speaker 2>very strong faith, and that faith is helping her explain

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<v Speaker 2>why climate change is happening. Do you think it's because

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<v Speaker 2>their sea levels rising? You think it's gonna make it

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<v Speaker 2>harder for people to.

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<v Speaker 8>Live in Some people do that, but I don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 4>Only God will do it. I believe in God. When

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<v Speaker 4>they do the weather and said it's going to rain tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 4>and tomorrow is not going to be rain, God's going

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<v Speaker 4>to make it rain. The nost no, you know it,

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<v Speaker 4>you're for others.

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<v Speaker 2>The threat is already here. Here's one conversation with Monique

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<v Speaker 2>and Francine from Core and Akarmi, a local NGO who

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<v Speaker 2>you'll hear a lot about tomorrow. They're doing incredible work

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<v Speaker 2>investing in the future of the Marshall Islands by installing

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<v Speaker 2>water filters and smokeless stoves and homes across the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>You might never have had to worry about clean water

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<v Speaker 2>or never been concerned that cooking your food might hurt

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<v Speaker 2>your lungs, but both of those things are massive public

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<v Speaker 2>health issues if we don't have access to electricity, gas

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<v Speaker 2>and clean water from a pipe that comes into your home.

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<v Speaker 2>One night before dinner, we talked to them about climate change.

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<v Speaker 9>The scientists are saying that you've got so many years

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<v Speaker 9>until all eyes melts and affects us. We don't have

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<v Speaker 9>mountains to run to. In some places they can just

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<v Speaker 9>runt of the mountains.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's Marshall Islands too.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, we're at the front clives. So you're also blessed

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<v Speaker 9>that you get to see the Marshall Islands. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 9>really well, really see firsthand what the plastic.

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<v Speaker 2>The impact goes beyond the individual though. When we heard

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<v Speaker 2>from the Ministry of Health and the impact the climate

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<v Speaker 2>change is already having on the well being of Marshallys people.

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<v Speaker 2>They reminded us of both the physical and mental health

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<v Speaker 2>of residents has been affected.

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<v Speaker 7>So we are well uh, as active secretary said, my

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<v Speaker 7>name is Nathan Carbon Climate Change and amn.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh. Well, first of all, we'll come to our very

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<v Speaker 10>wonderful here to visit us. I think Michael and Jackson

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<v Speaker 10>said I best. Do you want to see change in

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<v Speaker 10>the world, you have to look in the mirror. And

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<v Speaker 10>so this is our climate Change of Health.

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<v Speaker 11>To frontment uh uh.

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<v Speaker 12>Climate impacts on health and well being.

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan went on to explain what that means both in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of mental health and in physical health as mosquitoes

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<v Speaker 2>and other disease vectors adapt to the changing climate and

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<v Speaker 2>rising sea levels.

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<v Speaker 12>I communicable diseases and x CDs, reducing vulnerabilities with the

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<v Speaker 12>vector borne diseases and then improving mental health resilience.

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<v Speaker 13>So the mental health resilience is a really key thing.

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<v Speaker 10>We have our seminar that's ongoing right now partnership with.

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<v Speaker 12>Jojibu, which lets the youth express how climate change based

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<v Speaker 12>their field.

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<v Speaker 6>And also.

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<v Speaker 13>In h involving the community and getting their feedback. You know,

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<v Speaker 13>the climate issue is not just at a national level,

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<v Speaker 13>it's mostly at the community level.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these changes are hard to predict, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy to see the impact climate change has already had.

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<v Speaker 2>We spoke to the island's Environmental Protection Agency to get

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of what that meant.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Marianna Phillip and I'm the general manager here.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can see, we're a very small organization with

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<v Speaker 1>a very broad mandate anything environmental related. We are accountable too,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're supposed to provide advice to the government and

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<v Speaker 1>the Marshal Lease people about new issues that are coming up.

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<v Speaker 6>And so.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're easily overwhelmed and outmatched. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you throwing climate change into the mix, and suddenly I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even imagine what the change is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>like in the next five years or ten years. It's

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<v Speaker 1>hard for me to imagine. When I was a child,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to go to the school over across the

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<v Speaker 1>street is a DS is a public school, and we

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<v Speaker 1>would cross the road and swim from here all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to develop and then cross the road and go home.

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<v Speaker 1>This was all white Sandy Beach you know, obviously that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the case anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>One way that the Marshal Lease community has responded to

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<v Speaker 2>climate change is to take a position of leadership on

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<v Speaker 2>mitigating carbon emissions. We heard about this all over the island,

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<v Speaker 2>with solutions ranging from electric canoes to sailboats to a

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<v Speaker 2>grid that runs on renewable energy. They've also taken leadership

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<v Speaker 2>and how aid money is spent, rather than just accepting

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<v Speaker 2>the projects has fund to suggest him. The RMI has

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<v Speaker 2>been vocal in making sure that unique challenges that they

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<v Speaker 2>face are reflected with unique solutions that they propose. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>they simply don't have the space for larger solar farms,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they do have the funding.

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<v Speaker 14>My name is Angeline Heini Rammers. Other than being part

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<v Speaker 14>of PO, I'm also the director for the National Energy Office.

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<v Speaker 14>And then i'd like to introduce you to Ben. He's

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<v Speaker 14>the deputy director. So we're a very small office. It's

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<v Speaker 14>newly created. It was developed in twenty eighteen, so we're

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<v Speaker 14>trying to be creative and we partnered with our local

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<v Speaker 14>government in exchange building them basketball courts. The reason why

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<v Speaker 14>there's so many basketball courts is that we'll be installing

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<v Speaker 14>rooftop and on the rooftop thats we're going to be

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<v Speaker 14>housing the solar connecting it to the grid. And it's

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<v Speaker 14>with this project we had. It took us I think

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<v Speaker 14>more than a year, Ben right, so went back and

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<v Speaker 14>forth with our partner because they just wanted to go

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<v Speaker 14>ahead and put on solver.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the scared of the programs larger countries use simply

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a good fit for the Marshalis.

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<v Speaker 14>We get funding to go on trips to places like Korea, Japan,

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<v Speaker 14>Okinawa to see all these systems that in the eyes

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<v Speaker 14>of big countries that you see as islands like Jju

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<v Speaker 14>Island and Korea, but they're like so advanced compared to here.

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<v Speaker 14>You go there and they have ocean thermal and to us,

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<v Speaker 14>where like, okay, what about our corals that's where our

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<v Speaker 14>reefish lives in. Do we have to get rid of

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<v Speaker 14>our corals? Maybe we should rethink of that or.

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<v Speaker 2>They also make sure to incorporate traditional methods and their

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<v Speaker 2>culture along with mboderant solutions. More about the electric canoes

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<v Speaker 2>that they had it, they're very pretty cool and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>interested to know, like a well, Jeremy, I really liked

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<v Speaker 2>that you were incorporating in the traditional ways. Why it's

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<v Speaker 2>ignoring the trying because that's something that the electric canoe is,

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was framed up here at the wham And can.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about how surface convention, how much.

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<v Speaker 4>Fun it might save.

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<v Speaker 14>Then do you want to start with that? We came

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<v Speaker 14>up with the idea for the and and then where

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<v Speaker 14>we are at.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, So WOM started the initiative of the boat building

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<v Speaker 11>and they wanted to it strictly started with wamb We

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<v Speaker 11>We had no idea about the project. But initially they

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<v Speaker 11>got a project from a donor for boat building where

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<v Speaker 11>they would modernize these traditional canoes just to make modifications

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<v Speaker 11>to make the hull bigger for catching fish or just whynot.

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<v Speaker 11>And then out of the blue, the director for WHOM said, hey,

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<v Speaker 11>what if we put solar on this boat.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's something in the market.

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<v Speaker 11>So we just out of the blue just wanted to

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<v Speaker 11>test it. Unfortunately, when we purchased the motor and they're

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<v Speaker 11>going to start the testing, wound burned down and the

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<v Speaker 11>motor burned down with it. But they did a few

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<v Speaker 11>runs in the lagoon with it and it was really awesome.

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<v Speaker 11>I wrote on it at one point they started using

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<v Speaker 11>wind in the wind died down, turned on the motor

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<v Speaker 11>and they started using the motor, and then one pick

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<v Speaker 11>up they turned.

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<v Speaker 6>Off the motor.

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<v Speaker 11>It was really awesome, but we Anio the director, wanted

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<v Speaker 11>to procure another one, so we procured another one with

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<v Speaker 11>our own funds. So it's on its way and should

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<v Speaker 11>be here very shortly do some real testing, but we

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<v Speaker 11>wanted we also partnered with Wanem because of that just

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<v Speaker 11>pilot project, we saw the need to build more of

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<v Speaker 11>the similar kind canoe, so we asked another donor if

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<v Speaker 11>we can use their funding to fund the second phase

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<v Speaker 11>of that project. So right now they've been approved and

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<v Speaker 11>they're building an additional eighteen more canoes for each each island.

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<v Speaker 11>And so the process is they're bringing these boat builders

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<v Speaker 11>from the outer islands, they train them how they build

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<v Speaker 11>these new style canoes with modern technology, and then they

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<v Speaker 11>ship it back out. One success story without the motor

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<v Speaker 11>is in the atoll of likyp They completely stop using

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<v Speaker 11>their motorized boat because they're one hundred percent using the

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<v Speaker 11>canoe and the canoe can carry up to a ton,

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<v Speaker 11>So they've been carrying copra from one island to another

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<v Speaker 11>back and forth with the canoe and they said they

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<v Speaker 11>save so much money that they decided to do a

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<v Speaker 11>fishing tournament at their outer island from the.

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<v Speaker 1>Money they save.

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<v Speaker 11>You.

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<v Speaker 2>He's ready talking about how he sees his role in

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<v Speaker 2>combating climate change.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I don't enjoy being helpless. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 5>the impacts of others, should you know, impact me. I

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<v Speaker 5>make the changes where I can. I try to behave

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<v Speaker 5>in a manner that is not detrimental to the earth.

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<v Speaker 5>And I preached that to my kids and hopefully the

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<v Speaker 5>compounding effect or you know it will grow exponentially from

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<v Speaker 5>them to other ambassadors to spread the word that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we need to do something. It's not about politics, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's about you know, the your overhead or how much

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<v Speaker 5>profit you gain at the end of the days, about

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<v Speaker 5>how you gained those by you know, being a good

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<v Speaker 5>ambageltor to preserving the earth and the climate, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>all the all the other inhabitants, not just humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Wherever we went in the Republic of the Marshall Islands,

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<v Speaker 2>it was hard to find dooming gloom with regards to

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<v Speaker 2>climate change. What we found everywhere was people adapting and

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<v Speaker 2>making changes, both the kind of changes that reduce their

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<v Speaker 2>carbon emissions and the kind that made their homes more

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<v Speaker 2>defensible because the rest of the world is not making

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<v Speaker 2>that first kind of changes. Resilience doesn't just mean sea

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<v Speaker 2>walls and houses on stilts that can withstand flood are

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<v Speaker 2>those those are important. It also means making hard choices

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<v Speaker 2>and forming strong communities. Here's Mariana again.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of attention on us as like frontline countries,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the face of climate change, and we

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<v Speaker 1>get all the reporters come in asking us questions. We

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of consultants that come in and out

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<v Speaker 1>and collect data.

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<v Speaker 8>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course we're seen as sort of the sad countries

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<v Speaker 1>that will eventually face the reality of having no land

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<v Speaker 1>to live on.

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<v Speaker 5>Right so.

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<v Speaker 1>Forced relocation, displacement. I don't want to say migration, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's not exactly a migration. If you have to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're being you're being displaced. Our concern is that.

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<v Speaker 8>We're not we don't have all the capabilities in the

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<v Speaker 8>science at our fingertip to help inform the government or

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<v Speaker 8>you know, everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Interested donors about how much is changing, how much is

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<v Speaker 1>going to change, and especially how that change is going

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<v Speaker 1>to change us, you know. We it's it's overwhelming. We

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<v Speaker 1>we have a national adaptation plan. I hope that you

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<v Speaker 1>will get into that when you get the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>h that's the survival plan. In that survival plan, there

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, there is very scary reality that we

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<v Speaker 1>may need to take down some islands to elevate some islands,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and every island have their land owners and

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to those people. Marshals are connected to their

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<v Speaker 1>land so much culturally, and so how do we adapt

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<v Speaker 1>to that change when it comes so quickly? That's scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Everywhere you go in the Marshal isings you see the

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<v Speaker 2>impact of climate change and rising sea levels, but you

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<v Speaker 2>also see the community responding and supporting itself through the

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<v Speaker 2>existential threat. The RMI isn't a sad place, quite the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tremendously happy and beautiful place. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most enjoyable weeks I can remember there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd go back in a heartbeat. But the joy with

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<v Speaker 2>which people approach every day doesn't mean they aren't concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>and it certainly doesn't mean they're not worthy of our concern. Tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to discuss how the people of the Republic

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<v Speaker 2>of Marshal Lions, and in particular the women of the

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<v Speaker 2>Republic of Marshall Lions, and making sure that Marshali's people

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<v Speaker 2>have a safe and healthy future.

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