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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Mark Susler and I am joined to

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Speaker 1: my right by Chris Wesling and across from me Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 1: fresh back from Canton. How you guys doing, what's happening?

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Speaker 1: What's uh? You didn't even mention the fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: and every Around the League podcast we've done so far,

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Speaker 1: there's been the same person starting out that's been Dan Hands,

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Speaker 1: and now reader, who's Dan Hands? Listeners tune in and

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Speaker 1: who is this new voice to now? You know? Right?

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Speaker 1: We we we have a protocol here. We always have

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Speaker 1: someone on the desk in case news breaks. It's right

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the day, and we've rotated the

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Speaker 1: sub I guess and Dan's been subbed doubt and we're

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Speaker 1: probably losing losing listeners by the boatload here. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do our best and we'll call him a little

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Speaker 1: bit later and see what he's working on. Right He's not.

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Speaker 1: He actually specifically said to me, because we've called down

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Speaker 1: a few times, he said, don't call me. So Greg's

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Speaker 1: the media response was, let's call Dan. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do that in a bit. Yeah, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: what is this diva behavior. We gotta we gotta talk

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Speaker 1: to him that is not in charge today. He's not awkward.

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Speaker 1: Podcast is good, Well listen, so we right off the

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Speaker 1: bat today. We had some news that started to develop

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Speaker 1: last night. Brian Bulaga, and it's you know, the Packers

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Speaker 1: left tackle, the one guy that we did him making

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Speaker 1: the leap on injury free group. He has sustained pretty

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Speaker 1: big injury. Looks like he's out for the season. What's

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Speaker 1: your media takeaway Greg on this? Well, they they're big

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Speaker 1: focus this offseason was fixing the offensive line. They looked

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Speaker 1: at their team. Obviously they had defensive issues, but on offense,

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Speaker 1: the big problem is protection. And they took a huge

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Speaker 1: risk by by putting a very good right tackle and

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Speaker 1: Brian Bulaga over on the left side, putting a very

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Speaker 1: good right guard in Josh Sitt and putting him over

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Speaker 1: on the left side. This was kind of their their move.

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Speaker 1: This was the ace and the whole and now you know,

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Speaker 1: before you even get to the first preseason game, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's all been you know, thrown away and they have

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Speaker 1: to figure out where to go from here. Well, uh,

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Speaker 1: fourth round rookie David beck tri looks like a guy

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Speaker 1: who they might want to plug in. He's reportedly done

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Speaker 1: very well in practice, hasn't given up a sack, even

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Speaker 1: to Clay Matthews. But that's quite a stretch to think of.

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Speaker 1: Fourth round rookie is gonna come in and protect Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers blindside. I would kind of. I'm interested to see

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Speaker 1: if they go with a more balanced attack. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: finally put resources into running back, drafted two rookies in

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Speaker 1: the second and fourth round. Eddie Lacy looked really good

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Speaker 1: in the scrimmage Saturday night, So I want to see

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Speaker 1: if they run the ball quite a bit more this year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Rogers last season four as

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Speaker 1: you know, potent as he was in his stats that

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Speaker 1: he put out there were fantastic. No quarterback was sacked more,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's rough because you have to look at

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Speaker 1: the line. Is a downgraded line overall at this point?

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Well? But I gotta miss games last

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Speaker 1: year too. If anything, they are used to playing without him.

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Speaker 1: He missed games the year before, so it's it's been

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Speaker 1: tough for him to stay on the field. But you

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Speaker 1: have to worry about you know, on the right side,

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Speaker 1: you have Marshall Newhouse who's battling for a job. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he ends up on the left side. We we don't

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Speaker 1: really know. Now. It's just kind of back to where

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Speaker 1: they were last year, which was scrambling. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think West, don't you think they were going to

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Speaker 1: run the ball more anyways, even before this injury? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Packers problem, we should probably say,

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Speaker 1: isn't really on offense. It all depends what happens on defense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't going to keep them from winning

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Speaker 1: the division. However, if Aaron Rodgers is you know, hammered

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Speaker 1: back their time and again and for once he you know,

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Speaker 1: sustains an injury, they have a massive issue that team.

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Speaker 1: How that could the the win total if they ever

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Speaker 1: lost Rogers I think would drop off massively, That's right.

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Speaker 1: And you know, people over eight, I think sometimes the

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Speaker 1: to get rid of the ball quicker. And we've seen

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had a pretty good offense in two

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Speaker 1: He kind of came out of nowhere. So to me,

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Speaker 1: it's more about the scheme, and it's more about the

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Speaker 1: coming off the weekend. We we finally were starting to

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Speaker 1: see some interscod swimmage, scrimmages and stuff. And the young

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Speaker 1: all reports are that James Starks has kind of been

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Speaker 1: reinvigorated this year, so they've got plenty of options back there.

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Speaker 1: I would look for them to run the ball more so.

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Speaker 1: We're over the Twitter photo controversy of Ettie Lacey. We're

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Speaker 1: not too worried about his conditioning. No, from it looked

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Speaker 1: like he he played very well in the scrimmage Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: Does anything on Twitter like remain a introversy for more

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Speaker 1: Night scrimmage is crazy by the way that they sell out.

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Speaker 1: They sell out the stadium and it's such a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I would love to go to that. That's like one

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Speaker 1: the reports on Lacey were glowing that once you know

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Speaker 1: that guy that they're looking for. And you start thinking

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Speaker 1: about Jonathan Franklin. I like him a lot as a

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Speaker 1: you have Starks. We'll see who else makes the team

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Speaker 1: and they should be pretty dynamic. I'm still thinking about

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Speaker 1: picking the Packers to win the Super Bowl for the

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Speaker 1: they've looked pretty good the other years. They didn't make

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Speaker 1: thinking about picking them to win it off for the

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Speaker 1: fourth three year. This may not take me off of that.

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Speaker 1: You're studying success rates, has people just Capital one out

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Speaker 1: of three last three. That's not bad for US. Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl tea. It's been Packers Patriots every year and the

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Speaker 1: All Right, hold on, So Greg just came back from Canton, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: We heard very you know you were. You gave you know,

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Speaker 1: Give us the filling, the fill in the gaps here.

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Speaker 1: What was it like? What did you experience? Give us

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Speaker 1: some nightlife nuggets? Oh man, I was so boring nightlife wise.

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Speaker 1: Mark knows last year he was in Canton. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a little quieter of an event, but you're very busy

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Speaker 1: who writes for the Not really a group that I

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Speaker 1: felt like going out with that much. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. But uh, it was. It was great.

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Speaker 1: was it sleepy was the other word you used for it.

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Speaker 1: a it's a down tempo NFL affair for sure. Well,

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Speaker 1: the weekend is great. Everything they put on is fantastic,

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Speaker 1: How many minutes of last night's Hall of Fame game

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Speaker 1: touting all off season, Lamar Miller, ghastly fumble. I don't

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Speaker 1: but it was an ugly loss of the ball there. Well,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we don't need to overreact. He had two

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Martin wasn't in there for long, only about ten plays,

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Speaker 1: maybe out of anyone. This other rookie tight end Zach Sudfield,

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Speaker 1: who uh Sudfeld that Westling talked about earlier. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: play too. So what a what an interesting mix this

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Speaker 1: worrisome because the Patriots haven't developed wide receivers, third wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: free agents, or trade targets like Wes Welker. They haven't,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Chad Jackson. There's a whole list of them

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Speaker 1: that just haven't panned out. Not not a Bethel Johnson fan.

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Speaker 1: They seem to bring their own guys back after letting

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Speaker 1: them sign, whether the teams are trading them away, they

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Speaker 1: seem to bring the same old guys. That's the first

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Speaker 1: year where it's like a complete cast of unknown. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens there. What about Greg for you

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Speaker 1: something else that we haven't talked about that sticks out well.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders quarterback situation. We were really excited in the

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Speaker 1: summer about Tyler Wilson and people talked about him maybe

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Speaker 1: battling for that job. He was kind of a trendy

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Speaker 1: pick to win that job. And right now he's fourth

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Speaker 1: and depth chart. Not only not gonna win the job,

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Speaker 1: but he's fallen behind an undrafted rookie. He's probably not

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Speaker 1: going to get out at this rate. He's not going

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Speaker 1: to get on the field this year. Even if Flynn struggles,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see prior and I think those are the

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Speaker 1: two guys that are going to get a chance. And

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Speaker 1: that's a big change from what we were thinking only

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Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. And you never know, maybe

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Speaker 1: he'll play great in the preseason. It's still pretty early.

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Speaker 1: But when they start pulling back on the snaps that much, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a sign that basically Tyler Wilson isn't ready and

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Speaker 1: that's that's fine. He's a fourth round rookie. And also,

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Speaker 1: I mean in Philadelphia, some stuffs bubbled up today. Looks

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Speaker 1: like that quarterback competition might be seeing some separation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: beat writer Reuben Frank came out and said Vick has

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Speaker 1: been tremendous and has gapped Nick Foles. He's pulling away

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Speaker 1: from him. Uh. We kind of all expected that. I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of the Beat writers had Folds as

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Speaker 1: their favorite going into camp, but we just Vick's more talented.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the answers for us always

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Speaker 1: just look where the money is, And they brought Vic

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Speaker 1: back with with three million guaranteed. Maybe so to me,

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Speaker 1: he was always the favorite, and um, I would I

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Speaker 1: would imagine the next step in that competition is they're

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Speaker 1: just gonna weed fools out and let Vic get more

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Speaker 1: repetitions in Chip Kelly's offense. I mean, I just I

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Speaker 1: can't take Vix seriously in terms of the four d

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Speaker 1: eighties stories we've written about him, because you know what, Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be named starter in about eighteen minutes into

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Speaker 1: the seas and he's gonna have a rib injury or something.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna I mean, are we gonna see every one

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Speaker 1: of these guys. I don't know if we'll see Barkley,

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Speaker 1: if if falls and Vic stay healthy enough that one

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Speaker 1: of them is healthy at all times. But it's a

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Speaker 1: great point that, yeah, we're not gonna He's not gonna

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Speaker 1: start sixteen games regardless, so they're both gonna have to play.

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Speaker 1: You know what strikes me, though, is so many teams

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Speaker 1: needed quarterbacks before the draft, and we kept seeing reports

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Speaker 1: the Eagles weren't even going to consider trading fools. And

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Speaker 1: the question has always been how does he fit Chip

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Speaker 1: Kelly's up tempo offense. He's not that mobile. Why wouldn't

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Speaker 1: they consider trading him to the Jets who have Morning

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Speaker 1: Weg who was his offensive coordinator last year. To that

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Speaker 1: always uh, it's up there with the Rams not considering

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Speaker 1: drafting Robert Griffin the third and keeping that pick. How

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Speaker 1: are you so confident that he's your guy? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. That just boggles my mind. Do

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Speaker 1: you think they could still possibly trade him this year

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Speaker 1: or you're just surprised. I think he loses a lot

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Speaker 1: of value if he doesn't win the starting job against Vic.

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Speaker 1: It's not that crazy a thought to me. This is

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Speaker 1: a tryout year for everyone under Chip Kelly, and if

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Speaker 1: they decided, you know, they're they're kind of They're going

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Speaker 1: to see how this goes, but you know it's a

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Speaker 1: to be decided at quarterback. None of these guys are

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Speaker 1: are in it for the long haul. Probably for them. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm still crossing my fingers that Ryan Mellick gets shipped

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Speaker 1: to Cleveland. Not for the on field side, but I

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Speaker 1: owe Henry handsome handk and Dan like a massively expensive dinner.

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Speaker 1: If that doesn't happen, You've got bets going on all over.

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Speaker 1: I'm losing. I'm losing lots of them. You're sort of

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Speaker 1: in the host ral today. I want to hear what

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Speaker 1: you're underrated storyline is? I mean something? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: that's very well. I will say that I got a

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Speaker 1: kick out of the story when we called West. Actually,

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Speaker 1: the other time you were working on this, Carson Palmer

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Speaker 1: running the read option, which turned out to be a

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Speaker 1: complete non starter. They were just giving their defensive look.

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Speaker 1: But what seems to be real in Arizona is that

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, one of the better cornerbacks and football, is

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Speaker 1: being put on the offensive side of the ball. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Arians this weekend basically said this guy

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Speaker 1: can be a top five receiver in the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: they're they've got a package of what fifteen plays or

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Speaker 1: so for him, and that sounds legit like they're gonna

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Speaker 1: give this a real I have a question about a

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Speaker 1: player going both sides of the ball and actually sustaining

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Speaker 1: through the season, but that should be interesting to watch.

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Speaker 1: The only guy we've really seen do that and have

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Speaker 1: a major role on offense was Dion Sanders for that

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Speaker 1: one season Dallas h. Charles Woodson's only had like what

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Speaker 1: two or three catches in his career, and they always

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Speaker 1: talked about him doing it, So I think skepticism is advised,

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Speaker 1: but it sounds like Arians is very serious about doing this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals don't really have a fourth receiver, so

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Speaker 1: maybe they'll get him in for maybe we'll see him

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Speaker 1: one or two times a game touchable. The thing I

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Speaker 1: love about it is the coaches comments that when they

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Speaker 1: put him out there, you know right away his route

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Speaker 1: running was like he was a pro wide receiver, that

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Speaker 1: it wasn't any you know, big adjustment. That they were

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Speaker 1: just so impressed about how he chopped up his steps.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you mentioned Dion, that's that's maybe a

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Speaker 1: good comparison to him. I mean, there are different sorts

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Speaker 1: of players, but it would be a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: to watch, even if it's only a handful of times

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Speaker 1: per game, to just add that into the mix. It

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Speaker 1: is interesting if you figure you spend your whole career

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Speaker 1: playing a certain type of position, knowing how to beat

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Speaker 1: receivers and cover them, and then you know from the

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Speaker 1: other side, here's how cornerbacks think, and I know how

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Speaker 1: they think at the highest level. Let's let's try this

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball. I am being

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Speaker 1: told by Wilk though he's frantically swirling his hands, we

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Speaker 1: were running out of time. There's no one book for

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Speaker 1: the studio after so I'm not sure if he's just

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Speaker 1: getting bored but I think we need to call The

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Speaker 1: Honey Badger story was pretty interesting. That's right. Do we

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Speaker 1: have time for one more anecdote out of the desert.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna blow past this yellow sign like Dave Damask.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it so. Ron wolf Ley, who played fullback

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals in the eighties now is one of

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Speaker 1: the radio guys, has spoken to some sources around the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and Honey Badger seems like he is the real deal.

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Speaker 1: One scout said he has, pound for pound, the best

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Speaker 1: player on the field in Cardinals camp, and an offensive

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Speaker 1: assistant said, Honey Badger is going to change the whole team.

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Speaker 1: You know, as a Browns fan, I was so annoyed

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Speaker 1: that they didn't just go out and draft that guy

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Speaker 1: just for the sake of why not? And they had

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Speaker 1: all these long winded reasons why it didn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of teams are gonna

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Speaker 1: maybe regret completely passing. He just seems like one of

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Speaker 1: those guys where football comes naturally to him. He's learning

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Speaker 1: safety cornerback nickel corner and has already already has the

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Speaker 1: system down. They kind of need him too, because if

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Speaker 1: you think about that secondary last year. Greg Toler's gone,

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Speaker 1: Adrian Wilson's gone, Carrie Rhodes has gone. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: of change, and that's three quarters that you're starting. Secondary

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Speaker 1: has changed. So they're gonna need people to come in

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Speaker 1: and play well right away. And it was Wilfully, i believe,

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Speaker 1: back during his playing days, said if it's third and

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Speaker 1: one and you need a yard, I'll get you a yard.

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Speaker 1: If it's third and three, I'll get you a yard.

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Speaker 1: Which that's how I'd like to reflect on my job

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Speaker 1: hosting the show in Dan's absence here. But let's get

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Speaker 1: out of here. We have a lot to do today.

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Speaker 1: You got the first down, give yourself some credit. Mare.

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Speaker 1: It was either third and one or third and three.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it's time to go. It's been

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Speaker 1: fun and so everyone. We will be back on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: to wrap up what happens between now and then. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us on the Around the League Podcast by

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Speaker 1: Kills Office. Oh hi, we have the wrong number. Sorry

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Speaker 1: about that, okay? Nor another striking victory by Wilkie behind

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Speaker 1: the Glass m