WEBVTT - Drunk Vegas Confessions with Chelsea + Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Catherine, Hi Chelsea, how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm great, Thank you. I'm been in my worka Oh delightful.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, Simon, It's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have an update for us, Chelsea. This is

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<v Speaker 1>from Ali. She called in on our Monica Lewinsky episode

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<v Speaker 1>and she was about to have a birthday, but her

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<v Speaker 1>father had died when she was very young and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like around her birth Yes, I remember it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>reminded her. So Ali says, Hi, Chelsea, it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>couple months since I came on to chat with you

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<v Speaker 1>both and Monica about grieving my dad while celebrating my

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<v Speaker 1>thirtieth birthday. I took your advice of focusing on celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>him his thirty eight years on this earth and really

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<v Speaker 1>finding that distinction between grief and suffering. I'm a recovering

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<v Speaker 1>Irish Catholic from Boston, so I love an Irish week

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<v Speaker 1>style of celebrating someone who's past. My friends and I

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<v Speaker 1>toasted him and welcomed his energy into the birthday weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and they reminded me that celebrating me inherently includes celebrating him,

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<v Speaker 1>because he brought me here. Thank you for giving us

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<v Speaker 1>of quote unquote permission to approach it that way. The

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<v Speaker 1>weekend was joyous and felt revolutionary. I absolutely turned over

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<v Speaker 1>a new leaf, and I'm ever grateful to you for

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<v Speaker 1>your help in that. I cannot believe I forgot to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you this, Chelsea, but my dad's favorite activity in

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<v Speaker 1>the world was skiing, particularly in Whistler. When he's not

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<v Speaker 1>hanging around us in day to day life, that's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>where he is. Maybe I know, maybe next year I'll

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<v Speaker 1>spend my birthday there. I know many folks right into

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<v Speaker 1>the show about grief, so I wanted to also share

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible nonprofit and Power. They provide one on one

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<v Speaker 1>mentorship to children and young adults navigating the loss of

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<v Speaker 1>their mothers or fathers. Grief is so many things, and

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<v Speaker 1>our mission is to show children and youth that loss

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<v Speaker 1>is survivable. If anyone listening wants to share with a

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<v Speaker 1>grieving child or youth they love or has experienced parent

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<v Speaker 1>loss at any age and wants to become a mentor,

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<v Speaker 1>they can head to we are empower dot org. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>again for your advice and for what you do each week.

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<v Speaker 2>Ali, that is so sad, that's so great. That part

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<v Speaker 2>is great. That makes me cry thinking about children grieving.

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<v Speaker 2>They're my parents. I can't even.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch an old season of Master Chef Junior, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the kids had lost his dad, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of amazing to see how he was dealing with it.

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<v Speaker 1>You could tell he had processed it a lot because

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<v Speaker 1>when he talked about it, there was just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like he seemed okay, you know, he seemed like he'd

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<v Speaker 1>done the work. And even though he was like an

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<v Speaker 1>eleven or twelve year old. You know, having a kid

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<v Speaker 1>go through therapy and talk about this stuff can be

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<v Speaker 1>really helpful when they lose somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>And also to know how resilient the you know, human

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<v Speaker 2>spirit is like, you don't know how resilient people are

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<v Speaker 2>until you have to be resilient, right, So that's it's

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<v Speaker 2>so hard to teach that to someone like you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to survive almost anything that happens emotionally or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or any losses, like you're going to go on. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a hard concept, especially when you're a child. Your world

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<v Speaker 2>is even smaller right than it is as an adult.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even think about all the moving parts that

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<v Speaker 2>are happening totally.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you Ali for updating us. And I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that this empower is in the show notes, so

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody wants to check that out, there will be

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<v Speaker 1>a link there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I missed Doug. I miss Doug so hard. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just at home.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to bring him to Spain because he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be so fucking hot here, but now it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that hot, and now I'm like, fuck, I can he

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<v Speaker 2>take a flat without me? Just get his own private chat?

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<v Speaker 2>I diaged that once with a dog. I s flew

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<v Speaker 2>him privately without me. Oh no, which was really stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do things like that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Doug will be amazing and you'll just have to reconnect

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<v Speaker 1>with him and separate him from Mabel.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I know she went to a FaceTime with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, here's your mother.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh, sorry, we fell asleep. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>bet you did. I also believe she gives him CBD

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<v Speaker 2>because he's so oh, he's so calm when I come

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<v Speaker 2>back from being away. Yeah, and I know she's up

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<v Speaker 2>to something, you know, because she doesn't want to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with his lunacy. And I saw the CBD and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, who is that for? And she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're doug sometimes I'll make sometimes or all the

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<v Speaker 2>time like are you she's All of my dogs have

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<v Speaker 2>been drugged. And this is just another example of how

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<v Speaker 2>it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what my aunt used to do with my

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<v Speaker 1>nephew who's like very hyper, when she would take care

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<v Speaker 1>of him, instead of like, you know, giving him a

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<v Speaker 1>CBD or something, she would say, hey, let's have a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of tea together at the beginning of their time together,

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<v Speaker 1>and she would give him sleepy time tea and then

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<v Speaker 1>he was like totally manageable.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean sleepy time tea and like an eleven year old boy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a matchmain heat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Melatonin is good for kids too. My friends are always

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<v Speaker 2>slipping their kids melatonin. I mean only the good parents,

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<v Speaker 2>though I would make them snort melatonin if I had children.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Okay, well, should we get into questions jelse?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, please, let's move it. Let's move it along, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Today's a solo episode. That means Catherine and

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<v Speaker 2>I are here alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, full of our own resources only.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that means they could take more callers. Oh, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, tell our audience about the many episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing. We're adding ten minute minisodes.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll come out every other week, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna be different. It's gonna be counseling from me with

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<v Speaker 2>a group of people or a couple like friends, sisters,

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<v Speaker 2>people in a relationship. I'm going to counsel them and

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna break them into little ten minute episodes. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna be great. I can't fucking wait. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be So we're not gonna I mean, I want people

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<v Speaker 2>to bring really stupid problems to me. So if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a relationship and it's not a serious issue, if

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<v Speaker 2>it's your friend, or if it's your with your mother

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<v Speaker 2>or your sister or your lover, and you want you

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<v Speaker 2>have something really stupid that you want to bring. Please,

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<v Speaker 2>this is our reprieve from the seriousness of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to get I want to get silly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these minisos are going to be perfect for like

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<v Speaker 1>if you have that argument with your spouse or with

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<v Speaker 1>your best friend that you like just need a tiebreaker on,

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<v Speaker 1>like who is right here? Chelsea is the person who.

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<v Speaker 2>Can to help? Yeah, I love that shit, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so right in and I actually have on our

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<v Speaker 1>next couple solo episodes. I have two couples calling in.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I love finally fly. Oh my god, this is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I've been wanting. I've manifested it exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what happens a lot of the time is

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<v Speaker 1>a person will be like, I'm going to get my

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<v Speaker 1>husband to come on and talk about this with me,

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<v Speaker 1>and the person who wants to call into a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>inevitably marries the type of person who would never do

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<v Speaker 1>such a thing. So then they come back to me

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, just kidding, forget ever emailed you, forget

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<v Speaker 1>my name, But today we have one and it's very,

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<v Speaker 1>very exciting. Actually, should we take a little break.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's take a break first.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, we're looking for a relationship advice. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>having a problem in your relationship, want to know how

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<v Speaker 1>to do better, or need Chelsea to weigh in on

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're right about something. Right into Dear Chelsea podcast

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<v Speaker 1>at gmail dot com. Okay, we're back. We're back with Savannah.

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<v Speaker 1>Savannah says Dear Chelsea. I'm a thirty one year old

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<v Speaker 1>woman living in the Midwest, and I've had the craziest

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and sixty five days of my life. I

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<v Speaker 1>went into rehab in July of twenty twenty three, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just over a month out of rehab, intensive inpatient,

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<v Speaker 1>and then out patient in that order. I'm just about

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<v Speaker 1>to get my first year of sobriety. I'm reacclimating to

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<v Speaker 1>the world, and I'm figuring out where my story fits

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<v Speaker 1>in my day.

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<v Speaker 2>Today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm currently on the job hunt and I'm having anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>over how to address the year ish gap in my resume.

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<v Speaker 1>I work in marketing and have grown to love it,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly excluding the fifteen percent of the job that is

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<v Speaker 1>crazy stressful but chock full of adrenaline. I know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>good at my job and it's pretty much all I

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<v Speaker 1>know professionally, so switching careers is out of the question.

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<v Speaker 1>So as I begin to coordinate interviews, I'm wondering what

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck to say in my interviews about the gap

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<v Speaker 1>in my resume aka rehab. I've played with the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of semi fibbing and saying I was taken care of

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<v Speaker 1>a loved one to just being straight up honest about

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<v Speaker 1>going to rehab. I know I can hide behind hippa,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm conflicted about what to say during the interview process.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I going to be met with a negative bias

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<v Speaker 1>and be dismissed because rehab could be a misinterpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>my character or my worth ethic? Or should I just

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<v Speaker 1>be honest and leave it up to fate and hope

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<v Speaker 1>that my interviewers will be understanding. I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>honest and I don't mind talking about it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>also want a job, Savannah.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't you just say you were traveling for a year,

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<v Speaker 2>that you took a year sabbatical. There's no reason to

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<v Speaker 2>tell them rehaby because people are fucking stupid. I would

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<v Speaker 2>hire somebody because they went to rehab. I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh great, completely, so I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think there's no reason to give them any

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<v Speaker 1>reason to doubt you in the interview process. And like,

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<v Speaker 1>like Chelsea said, a lot of people just like can't

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<v Speaker 1>get it together, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking care of a loved one is a good one

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<v Speaker 2>because that obviously makes you look good.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and you can even specifically say you can say

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<v Speaker 1>I was caring for someone who was ill, that someone

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<v Speaker 1>was you. Let's straight up the truth. And also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think a gap on a resume matters quite

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<v Speaker 1>as much as it used to.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it not as resume world? So I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what is going on out there in the business

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<v Speaker 2>world because I'm not a business woman. You are, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a I'm a different kind of businesswoman.

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<v Speaker 1>You have IMDb in that arrest.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the word two to four hours a week

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<v Speaker 2>and that is it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we make it work. So I think they or

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<v Speaker 1>less than they used to, especially like pre pandemic and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But another good trick for this too is rather than

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<v Speaker 1>saying like I worked here from like January twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one to like June twenty twenty three, just use years

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<v Speaker 1>I was here from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>We're barely into twenty twenty four, so then you only

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<v Speaker 1>have a you know, few months gap on your resume.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think if they do, if they do ask

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<v Speaker 1>good advice, Yeah, you just say you took some personal time,

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<v Speaker 1>or you say I was caring for someone who was ill,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think. I think if you say caring

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<v Speaker 2>for someone who was ill, you're not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>one and more question about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they're really not supposed to be like so

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<v Speaker 1>how's your mom doing with that? You know, whatever? Does theseanse?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, obviously, if you were caring for someone that was

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<v Speaker 2>ill for that period of time, they're probably dead, So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a dead end er conversation, exactly. Perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then if you just change the subject right

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<v Speaker 1>after that, I think approach it with confidence and boys

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<v Speaker 1>and like move on after that, I think you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>just fine. And also like congratulations and good work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we love rehabit. We love when it sticks. Right

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<v Speaker 1>mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>It works if you work it works if you work it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not work it. I've been smoking a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of marijuana lately, actually smoking he or have you been

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<v Speaker 2>doing I've been smoking it because my doctor gave me

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<v Speaker 2>these pills for my throat, so it doesn't bother me anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm on a bender right now with marijuana.

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<v Speaker 2>I just need it, Like I'm like, oh, where's a joint? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's well, because of my kids, you know, I'm around

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<v Speaker 2>the kids, so I can't be soberdoing.

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<v Speaker 1>That right right. Well, our next question comes from Emma.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a tricky one. She is thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma says, your Chelsea, my fiance and I are getting

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<v Speaker 1>married in September of this year. A couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>his mother had a stroke and started needing round the

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<v Speaker 1>clock care, mostly provided by his eighty year old father,

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<v Speaker 1>as we live three hours away. A few weeks after

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<v Speaker 1>visiting to do our engagement photos, we received the most

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<v Speaker 1>earth shattering call. My fiance's father had died by suicide

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<v Speaker 1>and was found in the house. His mother immediately had

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<v Speaker 1>to go into long term care. We're so filled with

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<v Speaker 1>grief and stress, having just bought a house and planning

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding, Driving back and forth to tackle things, it's

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<v Speaker 1>so overwhelming. Life just truly feels irrevocably changed. I'm grateful

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<v Speaker 1>to feel sure about marrying my fiancee, but our relationship

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<v Speaker 1>has been rocked and the cracks are definitely there. We

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<v Speaker 1>have so much to figure out, with the estate emptying,

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<v Speaker 1>their packed house, selling everything, and now taking care of

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<v Speaker 1>their very, very loud dog. I miss our lives, and

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<v Speaker 1>while I'm trying my best to be a fully supportive partner,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel myself failing daily. My fiance is doing the

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<v Speaker 1>best he can, but I miss his level of engagement

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<v Speaker 1>in our relationship and life. And while I know I

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<v Speaker 1>need to give him grace. It's difficult day today. There

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<v Speaker 1>are things I was already sad about during wedding planning

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<v Speaker 1>as I lost my mom ten years ago. Overall, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the focus is the horrible situation we're in

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<v Speaker 1>rather than being a happy time, and my feelings are

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<v Speaker 1>lost in all of it. I'm in therapy working through

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<v Speaker 1>forgiveness and letting go of anger, but it's so hard

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<v Speaker 1>not to feel like our wedding will forever be linked

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<v Speaker 1>to this horrific time in our lives. Thanks Emma, Hi, Emma, Hi, Chelsey,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Wow, that was very moving your story.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, lots of stuff this year, a lot of things

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<v Speaker 4>we're trying to kind of move through while also enjoying ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, can you tell me where you are, like with

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<v Speaker 1>your wedding planning with all the you know, emptying out

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<v Speaker 1>the house now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so we're pretty much everything is set. We're just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of in those last few months of figuring out

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<v Speaker 4>like little stuff. So everything is you know, moving ahead,

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<v Speaker 4>is planned, and he unfortunately was going to be our

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<v Speaker 4>efficient Bob's dad, so we ended up finding a new

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<v Speaker 4>efficient and all of that. So we're in a good

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<v Speaker 4>spot with all that, and honestly, Bob and I are

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<v Speaker 4>in a really good spot too as a couple. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just that it's very hard to not associate these two things,

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<v Speaker 4>and especially our wedding will be near the end of September.

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<v Speaker 4>This event will be, you know, just a few weeks

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<v Speaker 4>after it, like the first your anniversary will be a

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<v Speaker 4>few weeks after it, So it's kind of hard not

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<v Speaker 4>to have those two things tied together.

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<v Speaker 2>So are you and your fiance like communicating about how

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<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we are.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm definitely more communicative and a lot more open about

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<v Speaker 4>how I'm feeling day to day.

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<v Speaker 5>He I think to get through things.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he shuts down a little bit and isn't

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<v Speaker 4>not that he needs to like lean into the feelings

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<v Speaker 4>of everything that's going on, but I think that sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>it's easier, especially with going to work, he just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of shuts it down a little bit. So I just

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<v Speaker 4>worry about him a lot that you know that this

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<v Speaker 4>is a really big thing, an event that's happened in

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<v Speaker 4>both of our lives, but definitely in his life, So

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<v Speaker 4>I just worry, like where that will bubble up, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you would he be open to talking to a therapist?

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<v Speaker 4>So he does, he does see somebody, not I think

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<v Speaker 4>like I think he wants to see somebody more in

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<v Speaker 4>the future, but he does talk to somebody yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it sounds like what you guys really need

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<v Speaker 2>to do in this moment. It's a period of time

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<v Speaker 2>in your life that wasn't planned, so it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit difficult and harry, but in this moment you need

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<v Speaker 2>to double down on like talking and being communicative with

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<v Speaker 2>each other, even when he doesn't want to be. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to be like, listen, this is this We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go through this together. Like this, I'm having a

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<v Speaker 2>really difficult time on certain days and certain days you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing better. It sounds like, but we have to be

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<v Speaker 2>helping each other get through this time because obviously this

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<v Speaker 2>is trauma and you I am going to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>insist that you are talking to somebody on a more

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<v Speaker 2>regular basis. For him, he needs to talk to someone

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<v Speaker 2>on a regular basis during this time because what you said,

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<v Speaker 2>where where is it going to bubble up later? Like

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<v Speaker 2>it is going to bubble up later, So you have

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<v Speaker 2>to in the moment you're in, like really double down

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<v Speaker 2>on both of your therapists and talking to each other

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<v Speaker 2>about what's happening and taking each day at a time. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this wasn't what you pla. But what is a way

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<v Speaker 2>to differentiate your wedding day from the anniversary of his death?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not make that a celebration of him? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>why does it have to be the anniversary of his death.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can't it be a celebration of his life? Why

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<v Speaker 2>can't it be an extension of your wedding anniversary in

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<v Speaker 2>some regard, like maybe you can tie those two events

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<v Speaker 2>together in a positive way rather than looking at it

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<v Speaker 2>in the way that you're looking at it because it

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<v Speaker 2>just happened, so I understand, but you can adjust your

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<v Speaker 2>framework on that and have a better way forward, and

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<v Speaker 2>also sharing that with your fiance, Like I'm thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>these things. This is how I think we can make

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<v Speaker 2>peace with this. I mean, obviously it's very early on,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's why talking is so important, because things get

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<v Speaker 2>so built up. There's resentments. You don't know what people

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<v Speaker 2>are dealing with on their own, you know for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's one of my biggest fears too,

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<v Speaker 4>is that because I would say my emotions are a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit louder than his is. Make like, again, even

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<v Speaker 4>though this is something that you know, we're going through

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<v Speaker 4>together and I'm going through, I don't want to take

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<v Speaker 4>away the fact that this is something that he's going

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<v Speaker 4>through with his parent and his other parent. We're kind

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<v Speaker 4>of on a knife's edge too with her care and

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<v Speaker 4>when we might lose her. It is kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>that we're kind of just like on this edge through

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<v Speaker 4>this whole next few months of oh is she gonna

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<v Speaker 4>make it? You know, So it's hard not to be

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<v Speaker 4>in that like constant kind of fear stress stat of, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>are we going to be going through another loss in

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<v Speaker 4>the next few months that we're going to have to

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<v Speaker 4>deal with, And you know, there's a lot of selfish

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<v Speaker 4>feelings of like, oh, please don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Let anything happen by then.

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<v Speaker 4>But also we don't know if she's even going to

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<v Speaker 4>be in a state where she can come, so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard to reconcile out of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but those things are important to talk about. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, when you're you know for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that stuff is really important and it will

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<v Speaker 2>bring you guys closer. And when I say you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the other person is thinking, Like he could

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<v Speaker 2>be resentful of his parents for pulling this shit at

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<v Speaker 2>the most important moment in his time. He could be

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<v Speaker 2>resentful of you for some some weird reason, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>why it's so important for him to talk, because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want that to fester. Whatever his reaction to their

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<v Speaker 2>death is.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely you know, we haven't really approach the topic of

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<v Speaker 4>because I have anger towards his dad that like he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I have so much empathy for that he

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<v Speaker 4>was in this position and this was where he ultimately,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, his path led him to so I you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I loved this person, but I also still have a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of anger about the situation, and he hasn't really

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<v Speaker 4>gotten into that. Like he at least does not expressed

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<v Speaker 4>that he has any anger that this happened.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's hard.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I think he's very very protective of his dad,

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<v Speaker 4>and I understand that, but also it's like trying to

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<v Speaker 4>make sure he knows that.

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<v Speaker 5>There's space to be angry about it, and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything that is going to come up for him is

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<v Speaker 2>going to come up for him over time with him

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<v Speaker 2>actually having an outlet for his feelings. You can't direct

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<v Speaker 2>his emotional you know what's happening, of course, but you can,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can be there and be honest with each

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<v Speaker 2>other about it, which is leveling up your relationship. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to bring you closer to get if you

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<v Speaker 2>guys can get together on this and you having your

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<v Speaker 2>frustrations are fine, That's okay, that's totally honest. Like what

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<v Speaker 2>you just said and everything you know you are angry

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<v Speaker 2>about it, that's okay too. We're all human beings. We're

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<v Speaker 2>all experiencing feelings that we don't want to be feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Chelsea, you are right, like really strongly suggesting,

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<v Speaker 1>like verging on demanding that he be seeing somebody at

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<v Speaker 1>least once a week, even if it's not twice a week,

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<v Speaker 1>so that he does get to the point where he

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<v Speaker 1>is processing things like anger, things like you know, resentments

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<v Speaker 1>and getting them out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's no like argument for not doubling down

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<v Speaker 2>on therapy when your father committed suicide.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, it's financial. Financial is the argument, which sucks that

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<v Speaker 4>that has to be an argument. But like I think

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<v Speaker 4>that especially like with the wedding, like that is part

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<v Speaker 4>of it. Too, which, like I would argue, like, obviously

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<v Speaker 4>the investment is totally one hundred percent worth it. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just finding where that monetary balances with having a new home,

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<v Speaker 4>doing the wedding all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So and totally understand that. But that is where group

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<v Speaker 1>therapy is going to come in. So Heed, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to you find him a support group for I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there's a specific one depending on the size of your city. Yes, no,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, and those are usually free or like somebody

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<v Speaker 1>you bring donuts.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, those are much more affordable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I mean doubling up having therapy when you

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<v Speaker 1>can afford it and doing something that's a no cost

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<v Speaker 1>thing as well, I think would be that the way

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of get that and so we can start

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<v Speaker 1>processing or continue processing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for the wedding, what I would suggest to

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<v Speaker 1>is people who come to your wedding are going to

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is a part of your experience, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the best things you can do

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<v Speaker 1>is allow people a moment to experience that to really

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<v Speaker 1>like hang a lantern on it. Either you know, your

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<v Speaker 1>efficient can mention something about those who can't be here

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<v Speaker 1>with us today. But I also think, especially since you

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<v Speaker 1>lost your mom, one really nice thing that you can

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<v Speaker 1>do is have a table where maybe it's everybody's wedding photos,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's parents and grandparents wedding photos, maybe it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a photo of each of them, but including everyone at

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<v Speaker 1>least in some way in your ceremony. I think will

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<v Speaker 1>will allow people like a place to put that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of curiosity and grief for you, and also give you

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<v Speaker 1>an outlet where, like you guys don't have to say

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<v Speaker 1>it and be crying about it, but like heavy efficient

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<v Speaker 1>mention it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it is something that we probably will incorporate,

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<v Speaker 4>which will be nice.

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<v Speaker 5>It'll be nice to have that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then during the ceremony too, I've seen people will

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<v Speaker 1>have like a chair reserves, like one for your mom

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<v Speaker 1>and one for his dad too.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, and I asked him about that and he

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of I think it's funny, like he just doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that that almost like made him sadder to

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<v Speaker 4>think about doing something like that. So it's finding like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>what feels like honoring and nice without necessarily making you

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<v Speaker 4>more upset.

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<v Speaker 5>But you're gonna be thinking about it, like obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>On the day exactly and that's one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>about grief is you know, we've talked about this so

0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.480
<v Speaker 1>many times, it's like the more you push it away

0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of like the larger it looms. And Chelsea, you've

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<v Speaker 1>brought this up several times recently to where grief isn't

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<v Speaker 1>something that you're constantly going through, right, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>always sort of under the surface, and so it's like

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.200
<v Speaker 1>it comes up and bubbles up at the weirdest times.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the thing is like, it's your wedding. People are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be crying anyway. You're gonna be crying anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's okay, yeah, exactly. And the good thing

0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.919
<v Speaker 2>is once you let yourself cry, then you're good. You know,

0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 2>fighting crying is harder than the crying itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't look cute either when when.

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<v Speaker 5>You're trying it almost worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, definitely.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I just I think with like going through

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<v Speaker 4>losing my mom, even though it was obviously in a

0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 4>very different way she was ill, she had cancer, I

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<v Speaker 4>think like once we entered this phase of things that

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<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, maybe I'll be like equipped to help

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<v Speaker 4>somebody through their grief.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not now, not now, Yes, and it's suicide just

0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.240
<v Speaker 1>is a different experience.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, it is, but it's also like listen, I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's hard to say to celebrate that, to celebrate

0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:00.680
<v Speaker 2>a life that ended in suicide, but I would still say, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the life. If they were in pain and they

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<v Speaker 2>had to remove themselves from this earth, then they are

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<v Speaker 2>in a better place and they didn't want to be here,

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<v Speaker 2>and celebrate the life that they did have and the

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<v Speaker 2>happiest moments that they know that you shared with them.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how you can frame it for yourself, because

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<v Speaker 2>what's the point of any other framework when you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about suicide.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and we did have like a really great relationship

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<v Speaker 4>with him, so like I'm very grateful for that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, well I think you should talk to your

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<v Speaker 2>husband more, you know, fiance, Sorry what you're saying to us,

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<v Speaker 2>like be open with him like this. I'm sure you are,

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<v Speaker 2>but really like get the communication flowing because it's really

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<v Speaker 2>good to get it out and you want him to

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<v Speaker 2>get it out too.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I agree for sure, even if he's not as

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<v Speaker 2>forthcoming as you are, like be there with him and

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<v Speaker 2>be there just.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it's finding the balance too, between making

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<v Speaker 4>sure he knows like where I'm at, but like not

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<v Speaker 4>feeling like I don't want.

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<v Speaker 5>To overwhelm him with write your grief emotion through it.

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 4>And it's like if he's having a good day, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>not wanting to necessarily feel like, oh he on top

0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 4>of his feelings have to like not that, like I

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<v Speaker 4>worry about him having to deal with my feelings. We

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<v Speaker 4>do have like a good partnership with that, but not

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<v Speaker 4>wanting to necessarily like add my grief to his grief,

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<v Speaker 4>even though they obviously are intertwined.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wouldn't worry about that. I would worry just

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<v Speaker 2>about being honest and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sometimes guys need a push, you know.

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they really do.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know you're not going to demand, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I would really tell him this is what I need

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<v Speaker 1>from you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah, I think so too. Well.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate it very much. Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, we'll be thinking about you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoot us an email after the wedding. Okay, I will.

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<v Speaker 5>I will thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye, but bye. What a sweetie. Oh yeah, I'm jealous

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 1>of people who can look just very beautiful when they're

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 1>in tears, but she's one of them. One thing I

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 1>wanted to say too, is for anybody who's caregiving. I

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>used to work with Alzheimer's caregivers, family caregivers, and one

0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 1>thing that can happen a lot of times is you

0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.760
<v Speaker 1>have the ill parent and then either you know, because

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of depression, suicide can happen with someone who's caregiving, whether

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:13.399
<v Speaker 1>that's a daughter, a son, a spouse, but also illnesses

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>can happen because the caregiving person is under so much stress,

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>they can like up and have a heart attack or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like sudden death is very common amongst caregivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Sudden death.

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<v Speaker 1>Sudden death. Yeah, I mean I know someone who was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my fifty year old sister was the caregiver for mom

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<v Speaker 1>while she dealt with dementia and just like died of

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<v Speaker 1>a major heart attack one day, you know, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>really really common.

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<v Speaker 2>I just you said fifty year old woman. I'm like, oh,

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 2>that's so much older, and then I realize I'm forty nine.

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just turned thirty nine, and I'm like,

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.679
<v Speaker 1>it's it's just it just goes fast.

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 2>It goes faster and faster the older you get yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But so if you are caregiving, get some respite care.

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.200
<v Speaker 1>There's lots of resources for this. But like take advantage

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 1>when someone says how can I help? Say here's how,

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and give yourself some time off. Yeah, And of course,

0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 1>if you or someone you know is dealing with depression

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 1>or suicide, please reach out. Help is available at nine

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to eight eight. That's the number for the Suicide and

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<v Speaker 1>Crisis Lifeline nine eight eight. Let's talk to Tanya, shall we.

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Tanya has sort of a tricky interpersonal thing with a

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 1>family friend. So I like the sound of that, yeah,

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>she says, Dear Chelsea. About ten years ago, my best

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<v Speaker 1>friend set me up with her brother. It was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be just a hookup, but I ended up falling

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<v Speaker 1>in love. We saw each other off and on for

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<v Speaker 1>almost three years, and during that time I found out

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 1>he was married. I was not only heartbroke friends brother.

0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I found out was married.

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, she did not know beforehand, but found out during

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 1>that time. I was not only heartbroken from his deception

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and that my friend would deceive me, but and that

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 1>she put me in that position. So I never said anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but I stopped talking to them both for two years

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>fast forward, and we've all moved on and reconnected as friends.

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<v Speaker 1>He is now married to someone else and they have

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<v Speaker 1>a child, but it's still uncomfortable for me when we

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:56.679
<v Speaker 1>see each other. There's a lot of sexual tension, and

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.919
<v Speaker 1>his sister my friend, mentions it and talks about how

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't like his new wife and so on. He

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>tries to hug me or comes in for a kiss

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>when no one is sorry, I think she means a

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>kiss on the cheek. He tries to hug me or

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>comes in for a kiss when no one is looking,

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and while it's nothing overtly sexual, he lingers a little

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<v Speaker 1>longer than normal.

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, if he's kissing you, wait, why I don't.

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Like this must be a kiss on the cheek.

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 2>So we'll clarify who comes and kisses someone on the chee?

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's like sort of an old school moved and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no desire for a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>If he's doing that and loitering, when, of course that

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 2>goes together lingering, wingering, Yeah, lingering. If he's kissing you

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 2>on the cheek, he's definitely lingering.

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Also, like he's standing right outside.

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 2>She's surprised by that, but not the first part.

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 1>So she says, I have no desire for to have

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 1>a relationship with him, but he still lights me up,

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>so to speak. The sex was amazing, after all, So

0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 1>the complication comes now. Last December, I was with all

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>of the women in their family on a trip, and

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 1>one of them brought up my previous affair with their brother,

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>but made it sound as if it was a one

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 1>night stand. We were all drinking, and I started crying

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and defending myself, saying that I had a relationship with

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>him and even loved him, even if maybe he didn't

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>feel the same. I was just a little shocked that

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>the sisters knew, and that all these years they thought

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>it was a one night stand, when for me it

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>was so much more. It felt embarrassing. Now I'm being

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>told that I'm not allowed to come to any family

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>events because one of the women and in law thinks

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I might tell his new wife, which I have no

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>intention of doing. It feels so weird to me that

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 1>they're inserting themselves into something that happened so long ago,

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and that without even trying to clarify with me. They

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.440
<v Speaker 1>made this decision. Months later, following a drunken conversation in Vegas.

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.199
<v Speaker 1>We're family friends, we travel together and we see each

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.159
<v Speaker 1>other around town. So I don't know how not to

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.120
<v Speaker 1>be a part of this family. How can I mend

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>things without it blowing up in my face? Tanya, Hi,

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Tanya Hi? How are you?

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm good?

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>How are you good? It got some drama happening.

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that happened in Vegas where you started crying,

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.879
<v Speaker 2>defending yourself and explaining to them that it was like

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 2>an actual affair. Right, What happened after that? What length

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 2>of time did you get uninvited?

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Or it was months later and nothing was ever really said,

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, it was like a

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 3>thing out of the blue, which I was so surprised

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 3>by because I thought, Okay, I thought we were close

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 3>enough where if it was an issue, somebody would have

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 3>said something right away or maybe the next day even

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 3>or yeah, nothing was ever said and it was months later.

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 3>So it just feels like to me, it feels like

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 3>it's something else or I don't know, it just seems

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 3>so odd.

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>No, I could see it being about that. Yeah, yeah,

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>because if you like finding out if they thought it

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>was a one night stand and they're finding out that

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>it was a long term affair while he was married.

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>He's not married to her anymore.

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>No, So yeah, I think you should just address it

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>head on obviously and say, guys, listen, I understand that

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>night in Vegas that I told you stuff, but like

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>that was a long time time ago, and I have

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 2>no intention of ever sharing anything like that with his

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>current wife. The problem is is that you do still

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>have this like sexual chemistry, and that's a problem for

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:14.959
<v Speaker 2>you because people can sense that.

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, totally, I think that. I mean, obviously, I

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 3>try to stay away as much as possible and give

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 3>respect the relationship, and I definitely don't want anything to

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 3>do with that relationship negority Shire.

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>But when you say he's coming and kissing you on

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the cheek.

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, is it cheek kiss when he tries to

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>sneak a kiss or is it?

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, but it's like and then there's like the

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 3>hugs maybe a little bit too long, and you know,

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 3>there's been a couple of situations where he'll ask, like

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 3>to walk me to my car, like let me owe

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 3>your car, and it's just like it's just not appropriate.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to find me times to be alone with you.

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and to me, it's like I don't necessarily think

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 3>he's looking for an out or anything, but it's just like,

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 3>you know how when you're married for long times. I've

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 3>been married, and it's like, you know, it's like that

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 3>secret thing is always kind of exciting and and I've

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 3>been a secret before and it's like it's so.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Disrespect but yeah, it is disrespectful to you. And you

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>do need to like set a boundary so that he

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even think he can walk you through the car.

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>You can't like allow him to be coming in and

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>steal it. What do you mean by kissing you, like

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 2>kissing you on the cheek? Yeah, yeah, gross? Gross? Though,

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 2>why is he doing that? That's not okay? Like right, so,

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and he's a problem because they're worried. Now I see why,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Like you're they're worried that you're gonna like like have

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>another romance with him, right and ruin his marriage.

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 3>But isn't the problem with him?

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Why is it me? It's not there's two people, you're no,

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 2>it is your it's your responsibility to to set a

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<v Speaker 2>boundary because then he has a parameter if you if

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't say anything, then he just thinks he can

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>keep trying until you give in if you say stop,

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not interested, please stop, Like be firm. You have

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>to be firm with him. Unfortunately, as women, that's how

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>we have to be with men like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like he's totally a fault too, but like, yeah,

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>but you're not completely helpless.

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 2>You have agency. You can stand up for yourself and

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>say no, don't kiss me like that, it's gross. I

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>find that gross. That'll stop him.

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he necessarily need to hug him at all,

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Like give him an off for high five. Next day

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>he tries to come in for a hug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, but with regard to you're not seeing

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>him at all right now, right, No.

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 3>We don't talk. It's not even like there's any type

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 3>of communication. And really it's like random once in a

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 3>wild type thing. So it's not like he's making an

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 3>effort to see me. I don't feel like.

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>That's his goal at all. And how many like are

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you really you're upset about missing out on all these

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 2>like family things.

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 5>Not at all.

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 3>No, I feel like it's putting my friend, my girlfriend

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 3>in an odd position with her family. And then also

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 3>we do have like where we normally a couple times

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 3>a year we all hang out until like, so, now

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 3>what she's just not supposed to.

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I think you can just send them an email and

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 2>be like, guys, whoever this needs to be addressed to,

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>can we please get over this? Like, I'm not telling

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>his wife. I have no intention. I what's your situation

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>right now? Are you married?

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm single, but you're single, okay. I have no intention

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 2>of pursuing anything with your brother. That would That was

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>a very long time ago, and that was a very

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 2>drunk night in Vegas. You know, what happens in Vegas

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>is supposed to stay in Vegas, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I almost just like with an asterisk, I almost wonder

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>if it shouldn't be something that gets put into writing,

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<v Speaker 1>just like in case the wife picks up a phone

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of someone or someone shows her. I almost wonder if

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like a phone like a series of phone calls,

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<v Speaker 1>or like, hey, gals, can we all please get lunch?

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 1>And you like address it. I'm a little scared about

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<v Speaker 1>putting into writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel comfortable calling them all and just saying

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>can we get lunch?

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean I can. I feel like well I

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 3>did initially reach out since this conversation. I did text

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 3>my sitch to them all and just say, I feel like,

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 3>maybe there's something you guys are upset about, or if

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 3>I've done something, I would love to have an opportunity

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 3>to make this right. And they didn't respond, so I

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 3>was like, okay, but my girlfriend is the one who

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 3>called me. She's like, yeah, it's about the whole thing

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 3>with that half a long time ago, and they're afraid

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 3>maybe you're gonna say something to the wife. And I'm like,

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 3>that's ridiculous, and she's like I know. She's like I

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 3>know you wouldn't.

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 2>She's but that's like their thought or whatever, And how

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>well do you know those women because those are her

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>those are her relatives right right.

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be I've done them for years. It's been

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 3>a long time now, for a long long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe just have to let the dust settle and like

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>when it comes time to see them again, maybe your

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>best friend can be your biggest advocate and you know,

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of smooth things over with the other girls.

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 2>The when did this happen?

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Maybe like six months ago now, I don't know.

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a while. I don't know either. I'm like, fuck,

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. This is a hard one. I would say,

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>fucking who gives a shit? Like just don't out with them.

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 3>But that's kind of where I'm leaning, Like, Okay, I feel.

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Like when you have that attitude, people kind of get

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.439
<v Speaker 2>in vibe with Like, if that's your vibe and you're

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.280
<v Speaker 2>not thirsty to try to get back into that scene,

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 2>it usually comes to you more easily, you know what

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like the invite will return. So I would

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 2>just say I amend when I retract what I said earlier.

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Don't do anything. Just let the dust settle and be

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.879
<v Speaker 2>your cool self and and and know that you're gonna

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 2>set a boundary with that guy the next time. He's

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 2>not allowed to come up and kiss you on the cheek.

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 2>That's molester behavior, right, kissing on the cheek, Get off

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 2>of me. That sounds good.

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 3>I like that better.

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like I don't I wantn't want anyone kissing

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 2>me that's not kissing me on the mouth.

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I have been thinking about that recently, and like cheek

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>kisses cowing of the movies all the time, like stupid

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>in real life, as if you would ever say goodbye

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>to your boyfriend by kissing him on the cheek, like

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the time that I have done is right. I'm like,

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I feel so weird, like kissing him.

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 2>On the cheek, and it's also a weird introduction to

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 2>a person like, yeah, that used to be the thing

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 2>you hug, Like now, why am I kissing stranger? Anyway? Anyway,

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 2>good luck with your situation.

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Let us know if people come around.

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 2>This is a tricky one. Yeah, let us know when

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 2>they come around that that would be an interesting timeline

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:14.800
<v Speaker 2>for me to know about that. Yes, all right, we

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 2>can help other callers with that.

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, bye, thanks time. Okay, so we're gonna take a

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>break and come back.

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, perfect, and we're back. We have Jane and Johnny

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>calling in. Oh we have a couple.

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh a couple. Oh hi, okay, great, let's go.

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:37.479
<v Speaker 1>Jane and Johnny have a question. This comes from Jane.

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>She originally wrote in and Johnny is joining, so she

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>says to you're Chelsea, I heard you wanted to have

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a couple on and my husband and I have two issues. First,

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I've just entered my fifties and I suddenly feel invisible

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>within the family. I sometimes feel I'm being excluded. Even

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the dogs like my husband better than me. In particular,

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I have an eighteen year old stepdaughter who has lately

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 1>been kind of an ass, and she's coming home from

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 1>college soon. While I'm dreading it, my husband is very excited. Specifically,

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>she recently introduced only my husband to her friends when

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>we were at an event standing next to each other,

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 1>and failed to even send a text as thanks for

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a gift. I spent months preparing to send her off

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>to college with Despite my best efforts to be a loving,

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>fun participant in my family, I'm starting to feel like

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.760
<v Speaker 1>no one really likes me or I'm majorly taking for granted.

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 1>But is it them or is it me? Much love?

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<v Speaker 1>Jane and Johnny?

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Hi, Hi, Hello, Hi, look at you two cuties. I

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>love this.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I talk to you last, Johnny, you were

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>actually picking up your daughter from school, right, Yes, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>How's that going?

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<v Speaker 6>I think pretty well?

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 7>And Jane, it's fine, you know, like on the surface,

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 7>it's fine after about ten months. And I'm not a

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 7>numbers person, so when I start recognizing patterns, there's like.

0:36:57.960 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 6>A big one.

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:00.479
<v Speaker 7>I don't her.

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>That's how I'm feeling.

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't feel good. What's her situation? With her

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>birth mother.

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:07.280
<v Speaker 5>Oh, it's good.

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have a good relationship. Correct And okay, what

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Johnny what they have some challenges. They have some challenges too.

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>So what's your view of the situation, Johnny, what do

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:20.240
<v Speaker 2>you think is happening?

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 6>Well, I feel like put it in the middle, and

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 6>I'm very i think my daughter's doing very well and

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 6>I'm very proud of her. But I know that, you know,

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.919
<v Speaker 6>she can be a shit. She didn't send a thank

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 6>you note for the birthday gift, which was rude, and

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.440
<v Speaker 6>she didn't introduce her when we went to visit her

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 6>at college to her friends, which was very awkward for

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 6>me and I, you know, and I felt really bad.

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.280
<v Speaker 2>And did you step in and introduce your wife?

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 6>When that happened, before I had a chance, Jane jumped in.

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 7>She goes, hey, everyone, this is my dad, and then

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 7>everyone said hey, what's up? And then everyone was kind

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.959
<v Speaker 7>of looking over me and I said I'm her stepmom.

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 7>It was very awkward. And then later Johnny said, you know,

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 7>that was kind of weird. Why wouldn't you And she's like,

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, like whatever, And it's sort of how

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 7>it read to me was that it was more of

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 7>a reactive statement about how she feels rather than a

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.880
<v Speaker 7>mismanners moment that didn't come to the surface.

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds like to me, Johnny, that you need

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 2>to have a conversation with your daughter just about general

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 2>courteousness and respect, Like this is your wife, and I

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 2>know you might be dealing with a difficult personality, but

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 2>these are skills that she's going to need for the

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 2>rest of her life. So you're a conversation with her

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>is going to yield more benefits than it will initially,

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, But down the road she will remember a

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 2>meaningful conversation about treating people with respect. Never mind her

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.760
<v Speaker 2>stepmother who's in the house, you know, with you every day,

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and it is your job to have that conversation with her.

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 6>I did have a conversation about that particular incident, and

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 6>how did that go? It went well, she felt really bad,

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 6>she remembered it, and then I said, well, can you

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 6>let Jane know? And she's like, yes, I'm definitely going to.

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 1>But and then did she address it with you?

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 6>I'm assuming not.

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, that's good that you did that. Thank you

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.240
<v Speaker 2>for being a stand up, responsible man. Father.

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 6>Yes, Well, I don't want my daughter to be a jerk.

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 2>No, of course not.

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, And Jane, I think there is a little

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>bit of a deeper issue, so obviously lingering resentment, since

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>like I know, the gift was like at the beginning

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 1>when she went to school, and she's just back from

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>school and you're still feeling kind of nasty about it.

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>So I wonder if there's a way to kind of

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>get some positive vibes going there, just to be like,

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be a bigger person. I'm going to

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:52.479
<v Speaker 1>invite her on a little date, will go out well,

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you know whatever is sort of like a really fun

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>special thing the two of you can do together. And

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I think during that time, if you want to address it,

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>after you've sort of establish some good reports, is that a.

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Reality of you guys doing something together, Jane, you and

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 2>your stepdaughter, Oh okay, and that's great.

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 7>And I agree that I have to rise up for

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 7>this and not be like and your little dog too,

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.879
<v Speaker 7>you know what I'm I can't go down.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that means ignore it. You know.

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, since you're still feeling yucky, I

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>think you probably should address it, but not like Hi,

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.439
<v Speaker 1>you're back from school. Let's deal with this yucky thing.

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Get some good stuff going, get some good juices flowing there.

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 2>And I also think maybe just let go of the

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 2>thank you for the gift for this round. I think

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>it's more important that she's introducing you to people than

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 2>writing you a thank you note.

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 7>Wait, wait, I need to clarify though, what that was.

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 7>It wasn't a birthday present. It was I got her

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<v Speaker 7>a tackle box for going to college and filled every

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<v Speaker 7>slot with special things for being in her dorm for

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<v Speaker 7>the first semester in a really really well crafted, thoughtful,

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<v Speaker 7>meaningful note and all their gifts in there. That like,

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<v Speaker 7>she read the note and she uses the stuff in

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<v Speaker 7>it and never acknowledged this very thoughtful gift that after

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<v Speaker 7>giving to her, Like I know, she's on her phone

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<v Speaker 7>twenty hours a day, not even a gift.

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<v Speaker 2>Emoji with you. You have to let go of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>She is eighteen years old and she is in college

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<v Speaker 2>and she is not thinking about writing thank you cards

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<v Speaker 2>to her stepmother. Okay, she is about to embark on

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<v Speaker 2>like the greatest adventure of her life and she is

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<v Speaker 2>So you have to let go of that. Girls between

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen and like twenty fuck their manners like they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have them. You know, they're all self consumed and self

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<v Speaker 2>absorbed in everything that's happening to them. So let go

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<v Speaker 2>of the thank you note. Please just let go of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to revisit that that would be annoying

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<v Speaker 2>for you to bring up. At some point. I promise you,

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<v Speaker 2>she will acknowledge that you sent that to her at

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<v Speaker 2>some point. So asking for a thank you is not

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<v Speaker 2>a good way to deal with an eighteen year old,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. But I do think if you have

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to spend time with her, spend as much

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<v Speaker 2>time with you her as she'll allow you to spend

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<v Speaker 2>with her. You know, like, do it as much as

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<v Speaker 2>you can. Because you can't tell somebody that you're valuable.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to understand your value. And you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. And I think for you, Johnny, you can

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<v Speaker 2>even be more demonstrative of your appreciation and adoration of

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<v Speaker 2>your wife in front of your daughter so that she

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<v Speaker 2>understands how important she is to you.

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<v Speaker 6>That is a very good point. I realize I have

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<v Speaker 6>not been doing that enough.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Like, if you get to the point

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<v Speaker 1>of being affectionate and your kids are like ew, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when you know when you're doing okay, you're doing it perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to make sure she knows how much you

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<v Speaker 2>like your wife, never mind love, but like and respect

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<v Speaker 2>and how much you like and respect each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's awesome advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't try and have sex or anything in front

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<v Speaker 2>of her. That's not what we're talking about. Guys. All right, Johnny,

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell by your background what you're thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>right now. That took a turn. Well, this was fucking awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys. I love the couple. Y, this was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Johnny for doing so open minded and coming

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast in the first place. Good for you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a real man. Way to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you two are really cute, So thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 6>Bye, bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>That was fun. Yeah, great, great, Caul. I love that couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's bring it on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well that was a great episode. I love the

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<v Speaker 2>way that ended. And if you if you're a couple

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<v Speaker 2>out there, do not forget to convince your husband to

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<v Speaker 2>come on. See how gentle I was with him.

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<v Speaker 1>She were so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's easy, it's pleasant and it's fun. Or if

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<v Speaker 2>you're having problems with your friends. I like that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, friendship ones actually friendships, friendship couple soon too. Sisters

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<v Speaker 1>is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sisters is good.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just really good.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Everybody get your tickets at Chelsea Handler dot

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<v Speaker 2>com if you're coming to see me on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>and other than that, I'll see you next week. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So upcoming shows that I have you guys, Auckland, New Zealand, Wellington,

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand, Melbourne, Australia, Brisbane and Australia, Sydney, Australia. We've

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<v Speaker 2>added second shows to places that have sold out the

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<v Speaker 2>first and then I'm going to be in Hawaii on Maui,

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<v Speaker 2>Kahului and Honolulu. I will be there in July. Also

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<v Speaker 2>in July, I'm coming to Niagara Falls on July twenty seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming to Hollywood, Florida for my only show in

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<v Speaker 2>Florida on July twenty eighth. I'll be in Auburn, Washington

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<v Speaker 2>on August first, and then Santa Rosa, California for my

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<v Speaker 2>second show August second. August seventeenth is the Santa Barbara

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<v Speaker 2>Bull You do not want to miss that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I will be all over Maine, Charlotte, North Carolina, Charleston,

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina. I'm coming to Texas. I'm coming to Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Louis and Kansas City. I'm coming to Brooklyn, New York

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<v Speaker 2>at the King's Theater on November eighth, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>or Santa Diego or New Orleans or Omaha, check Chelseahandler

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