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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Sunday, November two, and we

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Speaker 2: hope you had a fantastic Halloween weekend. Happy Sunday everybody.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully your your time off. Hopefully you had that and

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Speaker 2: if you did, I hope it was exceptional.

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Speaker 3: Because we have a big night tonight.

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Speaker 2: Remember it is Scientific Sunday, and yes, we have a

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Speaker 2: stacked night of forensics. By the way, there has been

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Speaker 2: this massive dump of documents in the Idaho student murders case.

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Speaker 3: Lots of technical stuff.

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Speaker 2: We have just gotten through a sumage of it, given

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Speaker 2: that it's you know, frankly over one thousand page is plus.

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Speaker 2: But all that to be said, we're going to be

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Speaker 2: dissecting it with a fine toothcomb over the coming days

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Speaker 2: and definitely have some highlights to break down with Joseph

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan tonight because he is with us, the host

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Speaker 2: of Body Bags and our favorite forensics expert is here

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Speaker 2: to kind of break down the forensics in Idaho, and

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Speaker 2: also the speculation about a potential serial killer in Houston

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Speaker 2: is intensifying.

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Speaker 3: Guys. There's been yet more more bodies.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the totality of this is actually getting kind

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Speaker 2: of incredible, and again forensics to unpack. And then also

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Speaker 2: this Staten Island teenager who has pled not guilty to

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Speaker 2: the very gruesome murder of his stepfather.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this very very briefly.

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Speaker 2: This happened back in October, but again the details are

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Speaker 2: coming in in Trigger Alert.

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Speaker 3: They're pretty intense.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Laidecker and I head of Katie's Studios, where

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Speaker 2: we make true podcasts like in Cells out now on

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio just downloaded on your iHeart Radio app, or The

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Speaker 2: Idaho Massacre season three, and I get to be here

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Speaker 2: nightly with my my favorite true crime babes, Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: And Body move In.

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Speaker 2: Guys, did you have a fantastic holiday weekend?

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Speaker 3: I did?

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Speaker 2: It was It was great. Not long enough but not

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Speaker 2: long enough. Right, everybody seems to be a little hurting today.

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Speaker 2: Did you get dressed up?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: I had the document. I thought for sure you were

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Speaker 3: going to be a la boo boo. It would have

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Speaker 3: been so perfect.

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Speaker 2: And even I wanted to be a la boo boo,

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Speaker 2: that would have been I would not do that.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: I had the document dump Friday night.

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Speaker 2: I emailed you guys, like at ten o'clock at night, like,

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Speaker 2: I know that's what I was doing.

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Speaker 3: But that was that was Halloween.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I know, houckly there were a few

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Speaker 2: moments there after, Courtney.

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Speaker 3: How about you? Yeah, it was good. I mean I

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Speaker 3: love an extra hour.

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Speaker 6: I really in my mind, I'm like, now you're on vacation,

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Speaker 6: so I try and milk that extra hour. So I

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Speaker 6: that's what I used to celebrate the hour.

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Speaker 3: I don't having your steam.

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Speaker 2: That sounds so that sounds so beautiful and that's so

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Speaker 2: perfect for a little like self care Sunday as well.

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Speaker 4: Do you ever miss simmer pots, like the simmer pots

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Speaker 4: with like oranges and apples and cranberries and cinnamon and

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Speaker 4: smells like the holidays. Yes, it's such a great tip.

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Speaker 3: It's like homemade Pope bri if you wonderful. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: love it. That's kind of whattle bit and that's what

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Speaker 3: I great state of Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: And Taha, I assume you you and the gentleman we have,

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Speaker 2: you know, Sam and Adam with a little bit of

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Speaker 3: There's less facial hair in the rooms.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about facial hair. Everybody who likes to not

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 8: That makes me the pain of it so much better.

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Speaker 3: And think about that for the next two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Did you do that for a costume or was this

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Speaker 8: I did it because I dressed up as Robert Smith Cure.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll totally send that. So I even bought like,

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Speaker 3: some photoproof and Taha, Adam, what do we think? How

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Speaker 5: Mine was good.

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Speaker 9: I I went down to the West Hollywood area. I

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Speaker 9: I tried to hear the opposite. But but that was fine.

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Speaker 9: It was There were a lot of people I was

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Speaker 9: telling some people earlier. I saw a lot of Luigi's

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Speaker 3: Oh really interesting. He's a Swift was like knee deep.

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Speaker 2: He's been apparently corresponding with one of his like weird

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Speaker 2: he was really doubling down on listening to Taylor Swift

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Speaker 5: Interesting, okay, wouldn't but the fact.

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Speaker 2: That there were so many costumes, I find that interesting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I find it interesting too unusual, so I don't

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Speaker 3: And Adam will get to you in the next one.

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Speaker 2: But we have a talk back coming in Live Oachicas.

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Speaker 10: This is Marta again from Atlanta, and I wanted to

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Speaker 10: share my experience in Idaho. I recently went there for

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Speaker 10: work and decided, after a few moments of hesitation, to

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Speaker 12: Front of it.

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Speaker 10: And the one thing that was so surprising to me is,

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Speaker 10: and I still can't fathom, is how a person can

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Speaker 10: And then the only thing that I was thinking too

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Speaker 13: What he did.

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Speaker 10: So keep it up. I love hearing your show. It

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Speaker 10: sounds like you guys are having a lot of fun

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Speaker 10: at work. But because it shows so much in the

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Speaker 10: product that you're putting out byeos.

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Speaker 2: In the background. Do you think I thank you for

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Speaker 2: the top back. We so appreciate it. That was Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what do we think was that a baby puppy?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Have your cat as well? And thank you for the

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Speaker 2: thoughtful talk back. Go ahead, buddy, you were going to say, oh, no,

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Speaker 4: I was going to say yeah, when you know he

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Speaker 4: when Brian Colberger left the home and he sped out,

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Speaker 4: into the trash cans. So yeah, that it's very narrow

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Speaker 6: Well, let's keep it in mind, he had what two

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Speaker 2: I'm strong to that point though, And by the way,

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Speaker 2: it's very astute of you having you know, once you

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Speaker 2: It is so small, right, So it's it's surprisingly close

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Speaker 6: Well, you are listening to True Crime tonight on this

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Speaker 6: Sunday evening, and hopefully you are enjoying fall being here.

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Speaker 6: We are just getting started. But now we would love

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Speaker 6: to introduce Joseph Scott Morgan who is joining us a

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Speaker 6: forensic expert on this scientific Sunday, and I think we're

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Speaker 6: going to dive into some of that new forensics that

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Speaker 6: you mentioned earlier. Stephanie that more than two thousand pages

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Speaker 4: So it's it's twenty three hundred and fifty six pages,

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Speaker 4: and it dropped Friday, and it's new forensics information regarding

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Speaker 4: And it's called the Idaho State Police Forensics Services Case Jacket,

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Speaker 4: and it contains things from you know, the receival ship

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Speaker 4: the way to DNA testing and the results of different

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Speaker 4: things that they found at the house up to and

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Speaker 4: twenty three hundred pages of evidence. There's photos in this,

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Speaker 4: there's it's just a lot. It's a lot to process,

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Speaker 4: haven't had a ton of time to process it all.

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Speaker 4: And there is these small speckles of blood on the

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. You're talking

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Speaker 14: I'm into that appointment actually, And Joseph Scott Morgan of course,

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Speaker 3: It's pretty a fact.

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Speaker 2: We were making the documentary and Joseph, you and I

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Speaker 2: And sometimes an expert or someone who's brained in this

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Speaker 3: So it's not just clipbait, right, Yeah, my sanitized that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, and I think that's very valid. But nobody

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Speaker 3: Otherwise the conspiracies are just going to keep going and

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Speaker 2: I mean, even in Spot talking through it, it is

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Speaker 2: It's also giving light for an appeal. Well, that's why

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Speaker 3: Can he hear us? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Okay, great, Joseph, what are you Because Joseph

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, thank you for that. And I think that

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Speaker 15: think you know, form and function. And here's the rub.

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Speaker 15: I think if you want to try to understand the

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Speaker 15: nature of this case, you have to look at the

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Speaker 15: science of it. And really that's all that we have.

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Speaker 15: The trick to that is is that how is the

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Speaker 15: science or these results, how are they going to be?

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Speaker 15: How do you vet the process because you know that

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Speaker 15: this data that is being given to us by the

447
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Speaker 15: state is not passing through the fire of a court

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Speaker 15: with validating how you came to these conclusions. That's one

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Speaker 15: of the big things you do in forensics, right, because

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Speaker 15: when you you know, you go as an expert witness

451
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Speaker 15: through vor Dyer, you know, they ask you about your background,

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Speaker 15: what kind of experience do you have, why should essentially

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Speaker 15: asking the question why should we assigned validity to anything

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Speaker 15: you have to say on the stand. So therein laws

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Speaker 15: the problem when you get this raw data, you don't

456
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Speaker 15: have the defense holding your feet to the fire here.

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Speaker 15: I'm not saying that it's invalid. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 15: that's kind of the crucible that it that it all

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Speaker 15: flows through in chord.

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Speaker 4: No, it's a good point, yeah, because the defense is

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Speaker 4: he's convicted, hep had guilty. So the defense isn't going

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Speaker 4: to be raising objections to things presented in this in

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Speaker 4: this document, and we're not going to be able to

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Speaker 4: hear why those objections might have been valid, right, like

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Speaker 4: you know, and I don't know what they would have

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Speaker 4: objected to. I'm probably I'm going to say probably everything.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, the DNA on the sheath belonged to Brian Coberger.

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Speaker 4: And not only did it belong to Brian Coberger, but

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Speaker 4: it says the DNA profile previously obtained from item one

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Speaker 4: dot one, which is the sheath matches that obtained from

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Speaker 4: the known reference sample of Brian Coberger. This DNA profile

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Speaker 4: is at least five point three seven octillion times more

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Speaker 4: to be seen if Brian Kolberger is the source. So

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Speaker 4: I mean the statistics behind it.

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Speaker 15: Oh that that number is so astronomical, you know, and

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Speaker 15: you know, keep in mind with DNA nowadays, we've moved

477
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Speaker 15: way past uh you know. Our other frame of reference

478
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Speaker 15: used to be blood typing, right prior to the days

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Speaker 15: of DNA. And I think that with ab neg, which

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Speaker 15: is the rarest blood type in the world, those numbers

481
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Speaker 15: are like you said, Octilian right just a second ago.

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Speaker 15: So with like ab neg, you're talking about one. I

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Speaker 15: think I'm probably going to get this wrong, but I

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Speaker 15: think it's like roughly one in every one hundred and

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Speaker 15: sixty people have. And so you take that number, that ratio,

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Speaker 15: and you compare it to numbers that are in the octilions,

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Speaker 15: and it's mind blowing, absolutely mind blowing.

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Speaker 4: Joseph, your your audio is getting a little stat 're

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Speaker 4: gonna We're gonna hold on for one moment. This is

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Speaker 4: your crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm body Movin and I'm

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Speaker 4: here with Stephanie Leidecker and Courtney Armstrong and Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 4: We're right kind of in the weeds of the DNA

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Speaker 4: on the sheath, but we're going to kind of go

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Speaker 4: to another story, Courtney, what do we have?

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Speaker 6: Well, hm, pardon me, it's an update in Houston. The

496
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Speaker 6: number of bodies that have been recovered from Houston's BYUS,

497
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Speaker 6: it's gone past two dozen at this point. And within

498
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Speaker 6: all of those many victims and bodies, there have been

499
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Speaker 6: conflicting forensic reports, there have been undetermined autopsies, and some

500
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Speaker 6: of the digital evidence has been unexamined. So all of

501
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Speaker 6: these factors are fueling a renewed scrutiny of the officials,

502
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Speaker 6: and they're saying, hey, they being the public, Hey, is

503
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Speaker 6: there a serial killer involved? And this has been happening

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Speaker 6: for two years. We've talked about this before, yes, yeah, wow, so.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: City officials and police have repeatedly said that there is

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Speaker 6: no evidence of foul play, and again, some people just

508
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Speaker 6: question the inconsistent autopsy findings, the degraded evidence because of

509
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Speaker 6: course bayous include water exposure. And also what people are

510
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Speaker 6: raising a flag about is what they are seeing as

511
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Speaker 6: potential premature dismissals of homicide. So maybe that the officials

512
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Speaker 6: are too quickly saying this was an accident, perhaps it.

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Speaker 2: Was drugs, or it was suicide or or but bodies

514
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Speaker 2: aren't just winding up in the bayou. That's number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two, and Joseph will weigh in on this. Yeah,

516
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Speaker 2: when you're submerged in water for extended periods of time

517
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Speaker 2: from a forensics experts perspective, that changes things, decomposition, all

518
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Speaker 2: of the above. So are the forensics being changed in

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Speaker 2: a way that is making authorities make the suggestion that

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Speaker 2: there's nothing to see here.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of bodies and a.

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Speaker 2: Fairly insignificant amount of time in the big scheme of things.

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Speaker 3: This is rare.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, we'll definitely have to hit Joseph up for

525
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Speaker 2: some of those answers about the decomposition.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and part.

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Speaker 6: Of it, I think, you know, when we have Joseph

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Speaker 6: backnext segment, we'll get into those details and see what

529
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Speaker 6: clarity we can bring. But this also came into play

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Speaker 6: because the deceased family, the family members of deceased twenty

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Speaker 6: two year old Kenneth Cutting, hired an investigator and they

532
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Speaker 6: have to Yeah, and they contend that the authorities are

533
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Speaker 6: too quickly dismissing the potential of the serial killer. His

534
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Speaker 6: autopsy was ruled undetermined with a negative toxicology and that

535
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Speaker 6: left a lot of open questions on his case and

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Speaker 6: manner of death. So families are just saying things are

537
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Speaker 6: being quote washed away too quickly, and fl members are

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Speaker 6: coming out.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I think we have Joseph back

540
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Speaker 2: that we've seen this in a lot of cases, where

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Speaker 2: individual people are basically hiring their own person to do

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Speaker 2: a deeper investigation. We're seeing this obviously in the David case.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about this and during the break

544
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Speaker 2: pop Star David, what is happening with you know, Celeste Revas.

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Speaker 2: They've had to you know, go out and outsource for

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Speaker 2: information Montalk you know that investigation. Family members have hired

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Speaker 2: an investigation into their daughter's death. The Australian you know,

548
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Speaker 2: fashion designer that we talked about about a years ago.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, this is becoming less and less uncommon talk

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Speaker 2: about costly and unbelievable. Joseph Scott Morgan, our forensics expert,

551
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Speaker 2: is having a little bit of a tech issue in

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Speaker 2: this exact moment. So whatever we don't get to with

553
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Speaker 2: him tonight, he of course will come back to unpack

554
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Speaker 2: with us, which is a lot of stuff. So we

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Speaker 2: don't want to we don't want to make it not perfect.

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Speaker 2: So everyone's kind of sorting it out behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: right now. But in the meantime, let's go to a

558
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Speaker 2: talk back because we have a lot of those to

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Speaker 2: get through too, and I would like to hear some

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Speaker 2: about Halloween in some point, so let's hear it.

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Speaker 16: Taha, Happy Halloween. This is Christine from Alberta, Canada. I'm

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Speaker 16: on my way to the chiropractor's office in the next

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Speaker 16: town over, about forty five minutes away, and I'm dressed.

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Speaker 3: Up as a hot dog.

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Speaker 17: Life is too short not to dress up for Halloween.

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Speaker 17: I love putting smiles on people's faces.

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Speaker 12: As a gen xer.

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Speaker 17: My parents allowed me to watch Boldergeist and American Werewolf

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Speaker 17: in London at eight years old.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yep, yep, we are watched.

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Speaker 3: Jaws in the movies. Like she is our people. Oh wait,

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Speaker 3: so what is so?

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Speaker 5: Waity?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, let's she's driving down the street.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine looking over at your chiropractice office.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing a woman and a hot.

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Speaker 18: Dog costume driving car twice twice. Hilarious awesome. Yes, by

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Speaker 18: the way, that is so random. Like I'm going to

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Speaker 18: call through crime tonight and tell them I'm dressed as

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Speaker 18: a hot doog going to chiropractor.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, those are the kinds of things

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Speaker 3: I love to hear me too. By the way, that's

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Speaker 3: why you have a bad back.

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Speaker 2: It's because you're dressed in this an awkward, you know,

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Speaker 2: hot dog costume.

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Speaker 3: And have to drive in it. That is not easy

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Speaker 3: to pull off.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I was dressed as a cat in

589
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Speaker 2: a hat which was just a zip up, and I

590
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: could barely survive even that in a chair. So I

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Speaker 2: hear your sister, But a great call, and I hope

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Speaker 2: your chiropractor appreciates you.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it made him smile. Right, let's go to

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Speaker 3: another talk.

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Speaker 17: Hey, y'all, this is Jackie from North Carolina.

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Speaker 12: That sure if my West Talk pac went through. But

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Speaker 12: the mental cheese is very easy to make. Google a recipe.

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Speaker 16: Apology has an excellent one.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she knows who she's talking to. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I burn water. I'm the one.

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Speaker 4: This is body. I'm the one who wanted the parental cheese.

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Speaker 4: I burn water like I cannot cook.

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Speaker 5: You need to to.

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Speaker 3: I have a crop pot. Do you know that I.

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Speaker 2: War in the pot fall where it's crock pot season,

606
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Speaker 2: and let's do it.

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Speaker 3: I think Courtney is going to teach.

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Speaker 2: Us because I made crockpott In skills just make will

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Speaker 2: smell good.

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Speaker 3: Frankly, kind of tastes like a stew.

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Speaker 4: Is a recipe, well, I'm not sure, but I was

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Speaker 4: saying that the jars of pimento cheese that used to

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Speaker 4: be able to buy at the grocery store, it had

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Speaker 4: the blue cap and it was the little glass jar.

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Speaker 4: I love pimento cheese, and I would always get like

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Speaker 4: crackers and the pimento cheese and I would have a

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Speaker 4: little snack.

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Speaker 3: You can't buy them anymore. No stores where I live

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Speaker 3: carry it anymore.

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Speaker 6: And I was it looks like our listener is exactly right,

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Speaker 6: and it's three ingredients is what I'm looking at, as

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Speaker 6: the general.

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Speaker 3: Paula Deenes recipe would suggest.

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Speaker 6: Pauladines is not three ingredients, by the way, it's many multiple.

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Speaker 5: It's no, we want it easier.

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Speaker 3: It never is easy. As people say.

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Speaker 2: Ingredients, ingredients are less. Can we do that?

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Speaker 5: I like five? I think that's it seems reasonable.

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Speaker 3: Contes well, spices like that.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has like a bagillion spices, right like we have

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Speaker 2: like a little spice kit that you get at Home

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Speaker 2: Goods TJ Max, Right, So do we need more spices

633
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Speaker 2: than that? If it's calling for something that's like extra chilled,

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Speaker 2: I think we're getting off simple spices.

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Speaker 9: I think five is an easy number for people to

636
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Speaker 9: work with, and we won't count the spices.

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Speaker 5: Spice to your choice, whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: But I think I have about five basic ingredients plus

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Speaker 2: any spice thereafter you like.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a good way.

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Speaker 9: Okay, I'm gonna we might make that a question for

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Speaker 9: our audience to listen to and get back to us about.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 6: So I made a chili this weekend, and I have

645
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Speaker 6: to say, chili is so good. It was so simple.

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Speaker 6: And Stephanie knows my husband Wade very well. You guys

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Speaker 6: know him a little bit because he comes into the

648
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Speaker 6: studio every now and again. But he has been trying

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Speaker 6: to perfect chili and he makes it very complicated. And

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Speaker 6: I jumped dumped a whole bunch of easy stuff out

651
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Speaker 6: of cans, brown some meat, and he literally called it

652
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Speaker 6: the platonic ideal of chili.

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Speaker 5: Wow very much.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, is actually extraordinarily delicious. I'm not I

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Speaker 2: have not tasted wades your incredibly wonderful husband, but like,

656
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Speaker 2: I can't speak to his so this is not a dig.

657
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Speaker 3: But yours is the best.

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Speaker 2: It's no, I don't know who's going to stand in

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Speaker 2: competition except for Andreie Anders. Remember we had that chili

660
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Speaker 2: one time and she put the fritos with it.

661
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: The best, the best. No, I was chasing that for

662
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 3: a while.

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00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 6: I would make that so it Stephanie's referring to it delicious,

664
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 6: and then she gave us the recipe and I would

665
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Speaker 6: actually remake it.

666
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: We would have like development meetings while I stirred.

667
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: Thes are a fun little add on to your chili deliciousness.

668
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: If you guys have ever been to Missouri, because they sell

669
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: Freeto pies in gas stations and it's chili and fritos.

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00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: Oh, it's delicious.

671
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 5: Crust and then the.

672
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a free doo crust with chili. It's

673
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 3: really good.

674
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Speaker 4: I was scared. But my friend, my friend Shelley rest

675
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: in peace. I would miss you very much. But she

676
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: was like, just try it, just you'll you'll you know,

677
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 4: you'll love it. And I was like, okay, all right,

678
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: and I did.

679
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 5: She was right.

680
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: She knew me. Yeah, she said really was smart.

681
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, I'm open to it.

682
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 5: Anything with food I'm open.

683
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: To So Jilly sounds like she had great taste. She

684
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 3: really did.

685
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 6: Oh well, listen, everybody, this is true crime tonight. Let's

686
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 6: in this moment think really good thoughts of all the

687
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 6: loved ones that we loved enough to bring a tear

688
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 6: to our eye, because if we have that, then we're

689
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 6: actually are Yeah right, we're lucky.

690
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: It's the truth.

691
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 6: I always say, it's love leaking out of my eyes,

692
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 6: so hopefully you are filled with love. I'm Courtney, I'm here,

693
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 6: and I am so happy to be here with Stephanie

694
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 6: Leideker and body move in and we are taking all

695
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 6: of your talk back.

696
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Speaker 3: So let's go to another one. Hey, ladies, Happy Halloween.

697
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 19: I just heard the talk back about flowers in the

698
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 19: attic and I was not allowed to watch Gary movies

699
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 19: in my house as a kid, and so I am

700
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 19: absolutely terrified. The one that scared me the most when

701
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 19: I was young was children under the stairs, so instead

702
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 19: of attics, I think the basement.

703
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: I was terrified.

704
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 19: I hope you guys had a great Halloween and I

705
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 19: can't wait to hear your episode.

706
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: By the way, I never saw based on a true story. Yeah,

707
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: I think there were children under the stairs. I think

708
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: in real life.

709
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 5: Oh this is seperate now, but yeah, what.

710
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: She is referring to is horrifying. And by the way,

711
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: great talk back, great recall. Now I have the chills.

712
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to say that was based on true events, even.

713
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent right.

714
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 6: So it's a nineteen ninety one film, and it was inspired.

715
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 6: It was inspired by an actual news story from nineteen

716
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 6: seventy eight. Oh my goodness. Someone came and burgled the

717
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 6: house and discovered that children were being held captive there.

718
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

719
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: Yet they found the house only because they were doing

720
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: bad things to the house.

721
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 3: Imagine go with that thought process.

722
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: So here you are, you're breaking and entering, looking to steal,

723
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: and then you discover the lost children who have been

724
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: hidden under the stairs.

725
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 5: Wow ooh that's crazy.

726
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we go to a face mask one or something.

727
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: That's a scary thought right between that and the people

728
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 3: in the walls. Come on, let's go straight to another

729
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: talk back.

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Speaker 11: Hi, this is Stella from Albuquerque, New Mexico, and talking

731
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Speaker 11: about speaky Halloween movies. I'm not sure if any of

732
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 11: you guys have seen Dragging Me to Hell. But yeah,

733
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 11: that one's pretty scary. Happy Halloween. Bye.

734
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Speaker 2: Have you not seen it? Have you guys seen it?

735
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: I hasn't seen Dragged Me to Hell. We're shaking my

736
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: head like people can hear me. No, I haven't seen it.

737
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: Always that's so scary. It's so scary. It's so so

738
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: so scary. It's actually almost too scary. If you're not, Yeah,

739
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: it's almost too scary. Do not watch it at night.

740
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: Watch it in the morning while eating rice crispies in

741
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 2: the lightest, brightest house.

742
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like in the like.

743
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: The brightest sun, imaginable because it's a scary one. You

744
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: know what else is scary? Have you guys seen The

745
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: m Night Chalamain Devil? Yes, in the Elevator. I loved it.

746
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: It was so good.

747
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: I love all of his movies. All of his movies

748
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: are so like what is going on? I love those A.

749
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: Little high concept, very simple. I'll give you the premise,

750
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: and I don't think I'm talking off script.

751
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: Body cut me off if I am.

752
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 2: It's basically like five or six people unexpected, as happens

753
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: to all of us all the time, gathering, you know,

754
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: or in an elevator. We're just every you know, random

755
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: people in an elevator that gets stuck. And then those

756
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: random people you start learning about in little do you

757
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: know that they're all brought together. You know, it's it's

758
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: a fate if you will, and amongst them, one of

759
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: them is the devil.

760
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: Oh my word.

761
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: And that's the whole movie, right, this is the whole movie.

762
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 4: The premise, it is so good. The whole thing is

763
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: in this elevator is so it's very tense.

764
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you start don't know who I'm not giving

765
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: anything away that's actually in the henter.

766
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Speaker 3: I just double checked it. I'm like, God, did I

767
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: just spoil that?

768
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, I kind of I also knew that

769
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: going in also, and it's really simple.

770
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Speaker 3: I have to assume it was shut during COVID. It's

771
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: very simple. There's not a lot of.

772
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: Bells and whistles, which I kind of like because I

773
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 2: don't love all the gory.

774
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 3: I am so excited to watch that. You should, Courtney,

775
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: you would really like it.

776
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 6: I think, like especially in the one space, because I

777
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 6: like plays so much that are very soul, and so

778
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 6: it sounds like a play what you're describing.

779
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 4: And it's very psychological because I can't I can't say

780
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: why psychological, but it's it's psychological and tense the whole time,

781
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 4: and you're like, what's going to happen next?

782
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: And oh my god, they're fighting and.

783
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's very good and it's everybody's worst

784
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: fear or happiest fear. Right you get on an airplane,

785
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: you step into an elevator, like, is this going to

786
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: be the grouping of humans that I'm trapped with?

787
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 13: Right?

788
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: I never do you think your thought?

789
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 5: But now I'm going to every time.

790
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: No, no, When you're like in it, you're like, oh

791
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: my god, I'm in a reality movie right now?

792
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 3: Like these are the people?

793
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: Like who you're going to be in this movie? Like

794
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: are you going to be the one that shrinks and

795
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: is a nightmare? Are you going to be the one

796
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: that is industrious and adds to the survival team that

797
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: have been expected?

798
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 4: You're going to be the little passengers screaming and crying

799
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: and throwing up.

800
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 5: That's going to be I think you're going to be.

801
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: I have a feeling though, in that Ocean eleven squad

802
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: we want you in.

803
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think everybody should think about that like

804
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: that is like when you sit on a plane or

805
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: get into a train, you don't think he's on a subway.

806
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't think of the train. I never thought in

807
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: an elevator.

808
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 9: But again, now I'm going to probably judge the group

809
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 9: before I step on, like you know.

810
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: Oh, I always do like a lap of who's who,

811
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: just like who's clothes to war. This is a crazy thought.

812
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: I guess no one else. Everyone's looking at me like

813
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm the nut. I guess this is a nutty confession.

814
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: Then when I get on an elevator or on a plane,

815
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: when I sit down I or on a train a subway, frankly,

816
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: I do a quick little.

817
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 3: Gaze left, right, straight forward, like who's.

818
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: The one that I'm going to count on? I clock

819
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: it real quick and wear are the exits? I clock

820
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: that real fast too.

821
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 6: That is a great thing to do wherever you are,

822
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 6: is clocked the exits, or especially on an airplane, to

823
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 6: count the number of seats, because think about in an emergency,

824
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 6: if the lights are done, you know how many seats

825
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 6: you can count forward or backward to get to thee.

826
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: When you guys fly, do you dress up or do

827
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: you wear like clothes that you can survive in.

828
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: I wear clothes you can.

829
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: Survive, clothes that I can survive in. Yes, you would

830
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: think I'm going on a mi me too.

831
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: It's closed to survive.

832
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 5: Yep.

833
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: Always I were close.

834
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 9: I've started doing that. I used to dress up and

835
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 9: criticize why is everyone wearing these sweats?

836
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 5: What's wrong with these people? But now I'm the opposite.

837
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: I Layer takes to be chic, you know.

838
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 5: She yeah, to survive exactly now.

839
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 4: Layer, because if I if we crash on an island,

840
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: I like get cold at nights, so I want to

841
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 4: put the flannel on, and maybe it's hot in the daytime,

842
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: so like I'll need to take the flannel off. So

843
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 4: I have a tank top, and I always make sure

844
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 4: I have tennis shoes and socks with me, like for sure,

845
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 4: because I don't want to run.

846
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know, like.

847
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, your basic cosmetics and some medications everything

848
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: in your bag. Yeah that is. I assume it's going

849
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: to be a long trip before I do too.

850
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 4: I I do that, but I don't look at people

851
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: and like try to like go, okay, that guy can

852
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: save me.

853
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: This girl is going to be a problem. I don't

854
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: do that, but maybe I can't. I do a full

855
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: five person clock.

856
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: By the way, I into two hotels this weekend doing

857
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: a little road tripping around Tennessee. And by the way,

858
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: I took all of our great listener advice with Yeah,

859
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: I like wipe down the little remote control. I was

860
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: very careful with what I did with what and it

861
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: was a generally great experienced.

862
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: You did you unpack or no? Of course not no, no, no,

863
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: I wanted it was.

864
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: Very very quick, and I also signature move I brought

865
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: close to nothing, so it makes it real easy.

866
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Speaker 5: That helps a lot, though.

867
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Speaker 9: But see, look, I love that our listeners are giving

868
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 9: us agnes I know on how to move forward. And

869
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 9: I actually liked these topics for future. If our listeners

870
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 9: out there want to weigh in on how you dress

871
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 9: for a flight in the future, would love to hear

872
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 9: about that. And do you look around at the audience

873
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 9: and judge not the audience, the people on the elevator

874
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 9: or on the plane. I'm curious what everyone else thinks

875
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 9: about that.

876
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to start. When you get on that elevator,

877
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: someone's clocking you, So who are you? Gosh?

878
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm already afraid of elevators because it's a

879
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: confined space. Like I I get in and I literally

880
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Speaker 4: block out.

881
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Speaker 3: I'm like, just press the button. I love that well.

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Speaker 4: Coming up at the top of the hour, he's just

883
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Speaker 4: sixteen and he's accused of a crime so violent. Please

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Speaker 4: call the scene unimaginable. Keep it right here True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime hall the time. I'm Stephanieleidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Body move in Taha, Sam and Adam

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Speaker 2: also in the house. And if you've missed any of

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Speaker 2: the first hour, please do not worry even for a second.

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Speaker 2: it's like a secret thrill or leave a talk back.

894
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 2: You just download the iHeartRadio top right hand corner, push

895
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: the button boom, It's like leaving a little voice memo

896
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Speaker 2: and then we will play it on the show. Or

897
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: of course you could always dm us. So Joseph Scott

898
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Speaker 2: Morgan is not going to be with us for the

899
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Speaker 2: rest of the evening. We have some tech issues, so

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Speaker 2: he will be circling back. But Courtney, this case with

901
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: this young man who has murdered his stepfather is conscionable.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's a I'm gonna give a quick trigger warning.

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Speaker 6: The following segment does have some graphic details, so if,

904
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Speaker 6: for example, you are with a child or don't care

905
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 6: to hear them, it's a good time to tune out

906
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Speaker 6: for a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: We actually got a DM you guys.

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Speaker 6: It's from a listener named Michelle and it reads, hey,

909
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Speaker 6: did you guys hear about the Staten Island decapitation case.

910
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Speaker 6: He faces several charges, including second degree murder and weapons possession.

911
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 6: Apparently there was a blender involved and he allegedly used

912
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Speaker 6: a hammer to remove the brain.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so this uh sort of the top line is

915
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Speaker 6: there's a nineteen year old man named Damien her Stell

916
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Speaker 6: from Staten Island and he indeed is accused of decapitating

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Speaker 6: his stepfather. Damien has pleaded not guilty to murder during

918
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Speaker 6: an in person court appearance that happened on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 6: He remains under psychiatric supervision as well as suicide watch

921
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 6: in this moment. So this despicable crime happened back on

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Speaker 6: October sixth, so about a month ago, and police discovered

923
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Speaker 6: Damien's forty five year old stepfather, Anthony Caslapro.

924
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Speaker 5: He was dead.

925
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Speaker 6: He was indeed decapitated inside the home that he shared

926
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Speaker 6: with his stepson, and at that time or still Damien

927
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Speaker 6: her still was taken into custody and very very sadly

928
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Speaker 6: was after his sixteen year old sister had found the

929
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Speaker 6: body and alerted their mother.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, another sister finding a body of a parent and

932
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Speaker 4: while a stepparent. I mean, this is terrible. Oh my god,

933
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Speaker 4: I no, I never heard.

934
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Speaker 2: This in your referencing, Sarah Grace Patrick, right, And I

935
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Speaker 2: think it's what you're thinking of the young teenager who's

936
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Speaker 2: I believe six year old sister happened to find her

937
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Speaker 2: deceased mother and stepfather.

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Speaker 3: Which is so tragic. What a grisly tale. Courtney Armstrong, Yeah,

939
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Speaker 3: it really is.

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Speaker 6: And he had a hearing on October seventeenth, that was

941
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Speaker 6: his first in person arraignment, and again at that point

942
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Speaker 6: he pleaded not guilty. During the hearing, he showed very

943
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Speaker 6: little emotion. He stared blankly, and seven family members quietly

944
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Speaker 6: attended the hearing. I can't imagine what everyone is going

945
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Speaker 6: through to have to, you know, be I mean, oh

946
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Speaker 6: my gosh, it's kind of unimaginable.

947
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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously he's getting psyche psychiatric help of some kind.

948
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: I mean normal like mentally, well, people don't do something

949
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: like this, just my opinion obviously, but oh my goodness.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, and the details of this, I think we're

951
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 6: gonna leave because Joseph Scott Morgan is going to walk

952
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 6: us through it, and I don't think we need to

953
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Speaker 6: say them now.

954
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: I think we understand sort of the lay of the land.

955
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Speaker 6: And yeah, his next court appearance is November twentieth, so

956
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Speaker 6: we can break down the forensics when Joseph Scott Morgan

957
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 6: is back with us. So in the meantime, first of all,

958
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Speaker 6: please give us a call eighty eight to three one crime.

959
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 6: We'd love to hear from you, whether it's about your

960
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 6: Halloween weekend or any cases you think we should be following,

961
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 6: or really anything prime related or adjacent on your mind.

962
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 6: And in the meantime, body, you were going to fill

963
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Speaker 6: us in on just sort of some broad stokes of

964
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Speaker 6: different categories of evidence, because there's so many.

965
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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, when so I you know, we get this

966
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Speaker 4: forensics dump in Idaho, and when I was looking at

967
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Speaker 4: some of the images of the evidence that they had collected,

968
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Speaker 4: like the physical items like the water bottles and you know,

969
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Speaker 4: the knife sheath and whatnot, I noticed that, you know,

970
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Speaker 4: there were some areas circles and it would say things

971
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Speaker 4: like trace material collected. And then you know, on social

972
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Speaker 4: media people were talking about, oh, this must be the

973
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Speaker 4: DNA or whatever. So I kind of wanted to talk

974
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Speaker 4: about the different kinds of evidence and what you know,

975
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: what trace evidence is and whatnots just great idea, you know,

976
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: and so I put together very informal.

977
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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not you know, Joseph Scott Morgan. Okay, so

978
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Speaker 3: this is a body moving, so.

979
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Speaker 4: Moving, So there's there's different categories of evidence.

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00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: Okay.

981
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 4: So there's physical evidence, which is you know, like a

982
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 4: tangible item, and that would be like a gun or

983
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 4: a knife. It's something you know, larger clothing, fingerprints, it's

984
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: something tangible, all right. Then there's biological evidence, and that

985
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 4: is something from living sources and that would be like hair, right, saliva,

986
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 4: some sort of bodily fluid, blood would be semen.

987
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: Right, that's biological Sometimes sweat. Sure, absolutely, that's a great one. Yeah.

988
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: And then there's trace, trace evidence, okay.

989
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 4: And trace evidence is microscopic transfers. Okay, so it usually

990
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 4: would be something like soil for instance, Uh, tool I

991
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: almost sayd tool marks.

992
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 5: Don't know what that.

993
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: I'm thinking fibers, like you know, the the microscopic fibers

994
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 4: from a shirt or a sweat.

995
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: I'm using word with a knife in my hand, so

996
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: as I'm you know, taking a swing the sweater, you know,

997
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 2: little fibers might jump on and like leave some markings,

998
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Speaker 2: maybe on the carpet, maybe on my victim in this

999
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 2: you know, weird, horrible example. But like that's a trace

1000
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: that's like little yeah, almost like particles.

1001
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1002
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Speaker 4: And tray seven is is important because it usually connects

1003
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 4: a suspect to correct the particular item. Okay, So that's

1004
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 4: why it's tray seven's is very important. But it's a microscope, okay.

1005
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: And what's interesting is DNA touch DNA, which was left

1006
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: on the sheath of the Brian Coberger case, which is

1007
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 4: why I'm talking about this trace.

1008
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: What do you think? Let me ask you guys, let's

1009
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 3: do pop quiz. Okay, yes, d is touch DNA biological

1010
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: or is it.

1011
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 6: Trace biological because it's biological.

1012
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: However, in the case of Idaho, it's a sort of

1013
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 2: tricky question because because of the snap, there's like some

1014
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: layering of traceeness that could be there, but it was

1015
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: only a droplet, which would mean I think biological.

1016
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: Okaycause ding ding, oh my gosh, tah.

1017
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: Of like bodies.

1018
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 4: School of this is bodies, bodies, you know, prime lab,

1019
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 4: crime lab like. So yeah, it's both and and it's

1020
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: it's because it's so minute, but it's still biological.

1021
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 3: So it's it's but it's core biological.

1022
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 4: At its core, it's biological, but it's also trace because

1023
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 4: it's minute.

1024
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

1025
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, Now, if it was blood, let's say, and

1026
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 4: because you can get DNA from blood, right, if it

1027
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: was blood, let's say that would be strictly biological. But

1028
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 4: in this, in this instance touch DNA, it only leaves behind,

1029
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 4: you know, a couple hundred skin cells. Let's say that's

1030
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 4: it's so minute that it is also traced. And I

1031
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 4: did get I did make sure of that too, by

1032
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 4: the way, because I wanted to do a pop quiz.

1033
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it.

1034
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: I thought the question add on question, I think I

1035
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: know the answer, but if it is trace evidence, like

1036
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: for example, on the sheath. So there are some photographs

1037
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: that have been released in the Cobroger recent data release

1038
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: and dumb and we see the sheaf for the very

1039
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 2: first time, and yes, it's confirming what we know about

1040
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: the DNA droplet. But also there does seem to be

1041
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: some speckles of blood. So because there's speckles, the assertion

1042
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: is that it's active. It's active splatter or even stink

1043
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: saying this, it's so slight, it's like little.

1044
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: You know, slight site side slide slide.

1045
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: If you picture paint, right, like if you were having

1046
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 2: the smallest little hint of paint on a wall, if

1047
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: you flicked at it, it's like that small would that

1048
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: be considered trace DNA?

1049
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 4: Uh No, that would be biological. It's because it's not microscopic.

1050
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 4: You can actually see it with the human eye, right,

1051
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 4: like when you look at a photo of it, you

1052
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: can see right. So that's all biological. And it is

1053
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 4: important to know you bring that up, that was you

1054
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 4: know good, It's important to know that the speckles are

1055
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 4: mainly I think we said this in segment one, but

1056
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Speaker 4: for those who just joining us, the speckles are the

1057
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Speaker 4: primary contributor was Kaylee Gonsolvus and the minor contributor was

1058
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Speaker 4: Madison Mgan.

1059
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 2: And also the sheath was ultimately found slightly under Madison

1060
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: Mogan and her.

1061
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 3: And the comforter.

1062
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so it was I found that so disturbing, particularly,

1063
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, I can't quite explain why.

1064
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: That really hit me.

1065
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 4: But you're not alone. So we've gone over physical wich

1066
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 4: are the tangible items? Biological which are those living sources

1067
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 4: like sweat and whatnot. Trace, which we just kind of

1068
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: went through. Pattern pattern are like shoe prints, tire marks,

1069
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 4: things like that, tool marks even, right, we've talked about

1070
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 4: tool marks quite a bit. You know in some of

1071
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 4: the cases that we've covered on the show, body like

1072
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: leaning on a wall.

1073
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure actually, Bonnie, leaning like a person was

1074
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: leaning on a wall.

1075
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: This actually has happened where their sweater takes into the

1076
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 2: wall and some of the particles from that creates a print.

1077
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 3: So oh, I've never heard of it. That's interesting.

1078
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 4: I don't I think that would be more trace with

1079
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: the fiber well maybe, I don't know. I've never heard

1080
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: of that, but that's interesting. Another pattern I just.

1081
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 6: Want to say that that is such an interesting area

1082
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 6: to me because in different crimes so piked in for example,

1083
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 6: there was such a dearth, so little, little, little evidence

1084
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 6: that one shoe print became very important, right, and people

1085
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 6: make their whole careers like one of the or the

1086
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Speaker 6: top shoe print expert of the FBI, for example, was

1087
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Speaker 6: really important in that. And you know, other people tires

1088
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 6: like it's an amazing science.

1089
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Speaker 3: It is.

1090
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 4: And you know, in the nine stalker case out of California,

1091
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 4: Richard Ramirez, the shoe pattern was so important. It was

1092
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 4: such a well guarded secret and it got out and

1093
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 4: it almost ruined the case. I can talk about that

1094
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 4: for a really long time if we ever need, because

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Speaker 4: you know, of course, you guys know Gil Correo was

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Speaker 4: my family friend.

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Speaker 3: He was the detective on that case.

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Speaker 4: And Dianne Feinstein, who was the mayor of San Francisco, accidentally,

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Speaker 4: without realizing how important it was, released the shoe print. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: I can get into the weeds on that, but it's

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Speaker 4: very interesting. So pattern is so important, and again it's

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Speaker 4: the shoe print. Things like that. Digital digital evidence, right,

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00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 4: this is a new thing. GPS logs, emails, pictures, text, messages,

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00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 4: uh pings, things like that. That's digital evidence and that's

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00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 4: kind of you know, simple. And then there's testimonial evidence,

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00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 4: witness testimony, eyewitness testimony, and you know, I saw Stephanie

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Speaker 4: Leidecker go into Courtney's room and yell at her. That's

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Speaker 4: witness testimony. I saw it happened, okay.

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00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 6: Or ear witness that's another I'm trying to Yeah, there

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Speaker 6: was Stephanie. I don't know if you recall there was

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Speaker 6: one case from Crazy and Love, so it was one

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Speaker 6: of fifty two cases, but everything revolved around ear witnesses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is trouble is it here is?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yes, and yeah, we you know listen to human brain

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00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: can also play tricks. So and I wish is what

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Speaker 2: a valid important piece of the equation. We all saw

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Speaker 2: those movies and shows. Let's line up a bunch of

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: people who look similar to the description, and then the

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Speaker 2: eyewitness will decide. But you know, remember eyewitness with glasses,

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Speaker 2: without glasses, in the dark, not in the dark in

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Speaker 2: a corner where they afraid.

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Speaker 3: Were they not afraid?

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Speaker 2: That's why Joseph Scott Morgan in forensics and what you're

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Speaker 2: describing right now, biological trace evidence things that are indisputable.

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Speaker 3: They cannot be wrong.

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00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: It's science, right, So when you're seeing a digital footprint,

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Speaker 2: added by trace evidence, added by biological evidence, that's a

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Speaker 2: narrative that's hard to dispute in the courtroom, whereas sometimes

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Speaker 2: an eyewitness or an audio witness really can get a

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Speaker 2: lot of cross examination.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they can be cross pretty hard, right.

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Speaker 4: And so then we're going to round it up here

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Speaker 4: with documentary evidence, which is like recorded info like on paper,

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Speaker 4: like contracts, journals, diaries, letters, you know, if you know,

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Speaker 4: because sometimes those things can be admitted the documentary, the letters,

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Speaker 4: perfect example, that's a great example. And then finally I'm

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Speaker 4: rounding it out at the very end the visual aids,

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Speaker 4: like for instance, they did a dollhouse of the Moscow

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Speaker 4: the King Rode Home. That would be a visual aid

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Speaker 4: to assist in describing the layout of the home and whatnot.

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Speaker 4: And that is demonstrative evidence, and that is bodies Crime Lab.

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Speaker 2: Such a such a great job, you questioned it. I

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01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: have a feeling you're going to crush a crop pot.

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Speaker 3: Just as much.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the sky is bright, as is your future, my friends. Well,

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01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 4: if we want ever, if we ever lose Joseph again,

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Speaker 4: I'll explain how all this can be collected.

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Speaker 6: For stand by and listen. Keep standing by for after

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Speaker 6: the commerce'll break because coming up we have more talkbacks

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Speaker 6: and guys, we received one from our youngest listener yet.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let's just say we were called a little

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Speaker 6: off guard.

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Speaker 3: Keep it here.

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Speaker 6: True Crime Tonight, true talking to true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Happy Sunday, everybody.

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Speaker 3: We made it. We are.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have an exceptional week. I'm claiming

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Speaker 2: it right now. Who's with me?

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Speaker 3: Raise your hand a double yes, look at that. And

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Speaker 3: I haven't got a couple thumbs up.

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Speaker 2: So let's do it. We're going to have an amazing week.

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Speaker 2: The talkbacks are awesome, by the way. I'm Stephanie here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney and Body and the crew and we are

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Speaker 2: jamming through some of your talkbacks. Let's go to one

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 11: Okay, this is very from Utah and I'm kind of

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01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 11: like you're You're talked back earlier that talked about wine

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01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 11: and it's easy to call back. Well, I've cost me in

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Speaker 11: the morning. It needs me to call back, putting my

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01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 11: penu wise face on for my costume that because if

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Speaker 11: you're talking about you just got done backing to the

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Speaker 11: black people who don't like ghosts podcaster and then you're

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Speaker 11: done to ghost and if you've ever had a ghost, Okay, So,

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Speaker 11: like quite a while ago, I actually thought I had

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Speaker 11: a ghost at my house. And you know what, it

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Speaker 11: was like super friendly like stuff would be moved, Pictures

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Speaker 11: would be off walls and then against the floor below,

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Speaker 11: and just all this fun on the wing. So I

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Speaker 11: thought it was a ghost just having all this fun. Well,

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Speaker 11: turns out because it was actually the neighbor directly behind me,

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Speaker 11: breaking into my house when I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: There, and going on.

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Speaker 11: He was actually hot in the neighbor's house like in

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Speaker 11: the morning because they thought that he thought that everybody

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Speaker 11: was gone, and one of the kids was actually homesick.

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01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 11: But yeah, there's a lot huge was going breaking into

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Speaker 11: my house, going to get way better.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, to stop. So somebody she thought it

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Speaker 4: was a ghost. Somebody's moving things around in her house.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what that makes me think of?

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Speaker 3: What corner?

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Speaker 2: Oh he was forever like sneaking in a backdoor at

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Speaker 2: a neighbor's house. Yeah, by the way, and remember the

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01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: dateline episode the lady said that. The lady said that

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Speaker 2: she you know, uh her, her toilet trees were all

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Speaker 2: lined up differently, and then the the he was looking

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Speaker 2: at her medicine cabinet and like spreading rumors about her

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Speaker 2: at school, and like, oh my god, how scary. I

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Speaker 2: would I would rather have Casper the friendly ghost, than

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Speaker 2: the neighbor breaking in and moving the things around.

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Speaker 6: Maybe so glad you're okay. Yeah, I'm sorry that happened.

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01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 6: We're so glad you're okay. I hope this guy is

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Speaker 6: caught very tightly.

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Speaker 9: I don't know that I live alone, and I'm not

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Speaker 9: sure if I would jump to the ghost conclusion immediately though,

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01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 9: like things were shifted, I would say, oh, it must

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Speaker 9: be a ghost.

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Speaker 3: I think I would think it was just my memory.

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01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, I probably.

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Speaker 2: I would assume I was not able to find my glasses,

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01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: which is always always to get better eyeglasses.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to get you, Thoseth.

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01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: I need to No, I just tend to like wear

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Speaker 2: like a headband or something with my glasses like stuck

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 2: in it, you know, wet bands or something a little

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01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 2: bit more obvious. Where I can maybe tie it to

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01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: my wrist.

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Speaker 4: We'll get you a fancy necklace, a fancy necklace that

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01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 4: you can, you know, look at like jewels that I

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Speaker 4: can by eyeglasses.

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Speaker 3: To Sophia, I'm gonna go like somewhere else. No, we're not.

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Speaker 3: We're finding a different solution. I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 3: like at all.

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Speaker 6: No, No, we're gonna get on that table, Stata.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to a talk Bouck.

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Speaker 13: So I was just gonna talk about the by passing

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Speaker 13: controls both. I want said an experience where I saw

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Speaker 13: somebody and what they would do is they quick so

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 13: quick on Google Match, and then they would go to

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Speaker 13: like themple ling or something, and then they go to

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Speaker 13: see flights on Google and then they were able to

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Speaker 13: and then it went to the website and they were

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Speaker 13: able to search up whatever they want, like YouTube or anything.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, the show.

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Speaker 4: By Okay, first of all, we cannot have little kids

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Speaker 4: listening to the show.

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Speaker 3: It's not appropriate.

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01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: First off, there's no judgment, no shame. But who is

1241
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: this nugget calling in with a very good tip, by

1242
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: the way, the greatest tip we've had yet, So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah or low five.

1244
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 5: But yeah, I have.

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01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 3: I have really mixed emotions right now. But does he

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01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: say he was nine years old? He sounded it in

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01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 3: say anything, But this show is i'd say PG thirteen,

1248
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 3: PG fourteen.

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: It's maybe an R minus sometimes.

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01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sometimes yeah, but you know, I don't know

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Speaker 4: what to say. Okay, So he's saying, he's saying that

1252
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 4: he saw somebody one time bypass the parental controls through

1253
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 4: the map software on your on your phone. And it's

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01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 4: so valid because you know, when let's say you open

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Speaker 4: it up and you would like, oh, let's look at

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Speaker 4: Hawaii and you go to the maps, you go to Hawaii,

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Speaker 4: and then it pops up search for flights on Hawaiian

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 4: and you click it and it opens, you know, the

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Speaker 4: Google pricing for Hawaii. And then now all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden you're on the internet right now, All of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: you have a browser open and you can start searching

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Speaker 4: for something. So it's a very valid.

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Speaker 5: Oh now, I'm concerned that we gave that info away

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Speaker 5: to just.

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Speaker 2: Tips from the mouths of babes, like there's was one

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Speaker 2: that was I guess response is the point.

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Speaker 6: That's just what the Internet expert Katie told us, is

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Speaker 6: that whatever complex block comes on, there's some adorable cherubic

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Speaker 6: child saying how to get around it. The body in

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Speaker 6: this instance is searching for a flight specific or is

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Speaker 6: it literally opening any I just do you know if

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Speaker 6: there's a correlation or is it just deafening?

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Speaker 4: I actually don't know. I really don't. I'm not I'm

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Speaker 4: not familiar with this.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking right now. Okay, so yeah, it's very interesting.

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01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 3: Thank Yeah. Stephanie's over there investigating.

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Speaker 2: What do you I mean, well, he's while he's doing

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01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: that right while you look. When you when you click

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Speaker 2: on any location on a map, it's like a map.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for a certain street or a certain town.

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 2: In my case, it's like Coopertown, whatever this is. And

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Speaker 2: I just clicked on it, and yeah, suddenly you get

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01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: to a browser and it has recommendations in that area,

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 2: and then you bypass that and just put in whatever

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Speaker 2: you want into row.

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Speaker 9: Oh wow, very little tip, I know, but but no

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01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 9: one should be listening.

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01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: Even thank you for the tip. This is a double sided.

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01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: But respond how sweet? How sweet was he?

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01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: At the end? You think you love the show? I

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01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh, that is so adorable. I

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01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 3: want to eat him for lunch. I know, by wait

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01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 3: for president. Let's like, let's this one for president. Let's

1294
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 3: give him a job like with you know, at NASA

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01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 3: or something exactly. Because that was very smart, right, very

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Speaker 3: very smart. Thank you so much for the talk back.

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Speaker 3: Do we have an age appropriate talkback?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's get a good one an adult please.

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Speaker 6: Hi.

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Speaker 20: This is Andrea from Indiana and I just finished Virginia

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Speaker 20: to phrase, I just finished her autobiography, and you guys

1302
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 20: need to keep talking about Epstein. I think it's so

1303
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 20: great that you talk about him, and we need to

1304
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 20: keep asking where he's filesbar and we need not back

1305
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 20: down until they can't us who these bad people are,

1306
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 20: so they need help and accountable.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty sickening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously, don't get me started, but I

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Speaker 2: have a sinking suspicion something's going to pop up this week.

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Speaker 2: The idea, Yeah, I listen, and I'm not sure jump in.

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 2: This is not based on any like secret information, but

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Speaker 2: I will say the recent announcement of Prince Andrew being

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01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 2: evicted and stripped of any and every possible title he's

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Speaker 2: ever had. And by the way, there's like a very

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Speaker 2: substantial list of titles that Prince Andrew has and in

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01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 2: certain parts of the world there's you know, streets and

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01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: monuments in Andrew way. All of these things are being

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01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: up for discussion. It seems as though this happened again

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 2: weeks after this book. Don't forget we had gotten excerpts.

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Speaker 3: Of this book.

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01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 2: Then he personally decided to withdraw his title. Then frankly,

1322
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: his brother was like not having it this past week

1323
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: and stripped him of everything and evicted him and his

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01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: ex wife Sarah Ferguson. By the way, the daughters are

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01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: free and clear, their titles remain untouched, but it does

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Speaker 2: seem to be a real big fall from grace. He

1327
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: is literally no longer a royal in any way. You know,

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: he was born a prince and into the royal family,

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: but he is none of those things any longer. And

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 2: many people in the UK there's a lot of chatter

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: about people wanting real wanting some like real arrests, and

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01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: they want justice for him to be a little bit

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01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: more criminal, not just in title or a change of

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01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: residents or the inconvenience of having to be you know,

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 2: publicly humiliated to some extent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this has been going on for so long.

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 2: This is not super new information though, right, so it's

1338
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 2: really only after Virginia Goufrey, the original victim's death. Is

1339
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 2: are people leaning in? But why is Andrew taking the

1340
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: hit so big and hot?

1341
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 3: Is he the fall guy? Do you think? Like?

1342
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: Is he probably was mentioned like eighty times in the book, right,

1343
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 2: So is he the most mentioned?

1344
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 3: Do you think? I think he's he is up there?

1345
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: But it paints a pretty grisly picture of many and

1346
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 2: I have to assume that there's a little bit more

1347
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: coming in order for Andrew's brother, you know.

1348
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 3: The King.

1349
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, really to sort of say, we're going to actually

1350
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 2: make this a little bit harsher and a little bit

1351
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: harsher and a little bit harsher because people are really

1352
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: asking for a criminal investigation and some real accountability there.

1353
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,480
Speaker 2: If these things are true, this guy's a straight up pedophile.

1354
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 2: And if this were anyone else other than a prince,

1355
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, the accolades of a prince, they would be

1356
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 2: serving some real hard time. Yeah, And if any the

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: people in the book are being covered for. There was

1358
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 2: also these new allegations regarding multiple banks that are now

1359
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: really being brought into the conversation in a very meaningful way,

1360
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: that is where we all should be looking right now.

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: I think we should get our brains out of a

1362
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: list in names real and start really following the money.

1363
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 3: Because if the allegations.

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Speaker 2: Are accurate, and millions and millions of dollars were in

1365
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 2: fact approved and looked upon, knowing full well that Epstein

1366
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: was attached to these air quotes trades, that is a

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01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: very serious thing. So who was allowing for that, especially

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 2: post his original conviction. We're dealing with somebody who was

1369
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: guilty of priphelia and you know, sex offense large, you

1370
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: know that is undeniable. So you know, Andrew's downfall also

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: comes because he was so like, oh, yeah, I never

1372
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: spoke to the guy. Again, well you kind of did,

1373
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 2: and oh well, here's the video of you walking with him,

1374
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 2: and oh here's that phone call. Oh where here's the email?

1375
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 2: Like where no one's playing that game anymore. So you

1376
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: can't deny that you were unaware of the allegations. Then

1377
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 2: you can't deny that you are unaware of the conviction.

1378
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: Then you can't deny that you were unaware of the

1379
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 2: magnitude of this. And I think it's the air quotes

1380
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 2: magnitude that we all had to be really paying close

1381
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: attention to right now. I think Prince Andrew is getting

1382
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: the most attention right now. And I think there's a

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01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 2: lot of covering up happening elsewhere.

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 6: I don't even think a lot of the stuff with

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 6: the banks that I do not have any of my

1386
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 6: facts and figures. But if we circle back, yeah, the

1387
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 6: allegations aren't even allegations.

1388
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:44,839
Speaker 3: I mean, there is no it's facts.

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01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 17: Fact.

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01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 3: It is. I don't want to ry for tomorrow, but

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 3: it's fact.

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01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 2: And we're talking about the level of money that was

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01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: being exchanged from a person who has no financial background.

1394
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. How that is happening period from the banks

1395
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: that we all bank at myself specifically, I mean everybody's

1396
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: been mentioned somehow. I okay, these are major financial institutions.

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 2: How is it possible that we are allowing that level

1398
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 2: of financial trading and sharing to happen amongst a set

1399
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 2: of scenarios that is around sex trafficking of young women

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01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 2: throughout the world.

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 3: How does that happen? And I think there's a lot

1402
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 3: of accounts.

1403
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: Disguised to something else or something or no, it might

1404
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 2: appear that it wasn't disguised as much else it was

1405
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 2: under Epstein and through Epstein, JP Morgan via agg has

1406
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 2: now been brought into it Deutsche Bank.

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,440
Speaker 3: The list is extremely harrowing.

1408
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: So why, I guess, is the question, why are all

1409
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 2: these people involved with shady banking and shady transactions around

1410
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: one of the largest air quotes, sex offenders who may

1411
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 2: have been operating a honey potting luring scheme meaning when

1412
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 2: I say honey potting meaning luring influential people to a

1413
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: place to put them on video, to use that said

1414
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: video against them in large worldly and financial matters that

1415
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 2: affect us on a day to day basis. It's less

1416
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: about the original person. It's the fact that it could

1417
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: be happening and likely is real time. The players are

1418
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 2: still playing like the pieces are still on the board.

1419
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: No one's taking the pieces off. We're going to take off.

1420
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,839
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew who, frankly, who cares about his damn titles?

1421
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 3: I love the Royals.

1422
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the royals. I study the Royals.

1423
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: I respect the Royals. Who cares if Prince is this

1424
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 2: of Prince of that? Do we care about? Does Andrew

1425
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 2: bring him that much to the party?

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01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 18: No?

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01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 2: So okay, So and he gets kicked out of this

1428
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 2: big house to a less big house.

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 3: Do we care?

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: No, No, you know, King Charles is going to still

1431
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 2: give him a stipend. Not much is going to change

1432
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: other than the public humiliation of it all, which, by

1433
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: the way, I feel for his daughters. That I do,

1434
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: I genuinely do. That's who's getting humiliated. Andrew will keep

1435
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: going on doing his thing, I would assume. But what

1436
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: about everybody else who allowed these things to take place?

1437
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 2: Why and how are we stopping it from happening? Right now?

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01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 4: You've given us a lot to I mean, that was

1439
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 4: a lot of that was like an information dump.

1440
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 3: I was unexpected. I'm talking about an informing No, it

1441
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 3: was great. I mean I didn't know anything about this stuff.

1442
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 3: But it's all fairly recent. I know.

1443
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 2: We were not meant to cover this. We'll cover it

1444
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: tomorrow though more. Okay, but these are the things I'm

1445
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: thinking about.

1446
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 3: Well I'm thinking about them now too. So you give

1447
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 3: me a lot to think about.

1448
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 4: Well, keep it right here. We're going to do some

1449
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 4: more talkbacks. We can't wait to dig in together. Keep

1450
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 4: it right here. True crime tonight. We're talking true crime

1451
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 4: all the time.

1452
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: Welcome back, to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1453
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lydeker here with

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01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong.

1455
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 3: And body move in.

1456
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 2: Courtney is bringing in the hot moves right now on

1457
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: this Sunday night. That was like you are fully standing

1458
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 2: right now by the way, She's wearing a hoodie with

1459
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: the hood up and doing a full body dance, which

1460
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: is awesome. Yeah, so good, It is so good. So yeah,

1461
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 2: we were just talking about the Royals. We'll put that

1462
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: to bed for a hot second. I promise we did.

1463
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: We got a little caught up in the Megan Markle

1464
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,879
Speaker 2: Harry of it all during the break. I'm so curious

1465
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 2: what you guys think before we taint the waters. But

1466
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: Courtney and I have earned Yeah, I'm turned.

1467
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 3: To what direction.

1468
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 2: You'll have to ask yourselves and then give us a

1469
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: talkback and then we'll follow back.

1470
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,879
Speaker 3: But speaking of let's go to a talkback right now.

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Speaker 12: Say true Crime tonight at Ainsley calling from Canada. I

1472
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 12: tried to lead voice now earlier but totally muddled at

1473
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 12: my words. So here's take two. First off, I wanted

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01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 12: to say thank you for this week's episode on in Cells.

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01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 12: I sent it to all my friends, teachers, or whoever

1476
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 12: have kids. I think it's such an important topic to

1477
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 12: bring to light. This is she actually really hits close

1478
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 12: home for me. I actually worked in the office building

1479
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 12: where the Toronto van attacked when Alex Menassian and Incells,

1480
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 12: who was later charged with Harrisman, drove down Young Street

1481
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 12: and killed eleven people and also injured fifteen others.

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01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 5: I followed that.

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01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 12: Case ever since, and I also hoped that the judge

1484
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 12: who presided over it refused.

1485
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 7: To say his name.

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01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 12: I totally admired that. Anyways, my question is is that

1487
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 12: I'm part of the online gaming community, and I noticed

1488
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 12: a lot of misogynistic or maybe insull type comments floating around,

1489
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 12: and as a woman and someone who's seen the consequences

1490
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 12: of that kind of ideology firsthand, I'm really concerned about

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01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 12: how easily people, actually young men, can get drawn in

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01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 12: and radicalize. So I just wanted to ask, if you

1493
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 12: have any advice for someone like me, someone who's gaming

1494
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 12: and might occasionally be interacting with these people who hold

1495
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 12: those kind of youths. What can I do or say

1496
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 12: in these moments that might actually help, even in a

1497
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 12: small way, both for them and for society. Anyway, thank

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01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 12: you again for signing the light on this. It really

1499
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 12: means a.

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01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 7: Lot to me.

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01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 3: Thanks by wow Ainsley. That was a great love you.

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01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thoughtful.

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01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the gaming world, we and and body

1504
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 6: will speak from personal experience, because I don't game about

1505
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 6: out it, you know, I never bout it and actually

1506
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 6: really but yeah, but honestly, it's unbelievable the amount of

1507
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 6: of you know, just atrocities that women face on one

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 6: particularly gamers and really just hate against women. So all

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01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 6: I can say is I've been shocked at the statistics

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01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 6: of it.

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01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:04,879
Speaker 3: And Body can speak to them personal.

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01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 4: And the issue too is that, you know, in a

1514
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 4: lot of these games, you have to communicate with the

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01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 4: other players, and you usually do those things over a

1516
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 4: voice chat of some kind, whether it's discord or in

1517
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 4: game communications. We used to use team speak back of

1518
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 4: the day. Ventrilo was another one that people use. And

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01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 4: you know, like I said, you have to communicate like

1520
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 4: I need a heal heal me now, you know, or

1521
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 4: I'm going to shoot that fireball that I've been saving up.

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01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 4: You know, those kinds of things, or you know, call

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01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 4: of duty or something. Oh you know, go flank the side.

1524
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 4: You know, you have to communicate, and so you can't

1525
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 4: just hide that you're a woman in a lot of

1526
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 4: these In a lot of these cases, they know as

1527
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 4: soon as you open your mouth, and once that happens, it's.

1528
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 3: All hands on deck. You know.

1529
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 4: If there is those kinds of people in the game

1530
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 4: with you at the time, you're going to hear about it.

1531
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 4: And there's only a couple things I can recommend. Number

1532
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 4: one the ignore or ignore or block, you know, and

1533
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 4: the games that I play slash ignore and then the

1534
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,879
Speaker 4: player name. You can block those people and literally never play.

1535
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 3: With them again. Are they aware when you do that? Yeah,

1536
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 3: but they're a little signal like I just blocked you.

1537
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 4: Well, they just they'll get a whisper back saying you

1538
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 4: can't communicate with this player because she's blocked you or

1539
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 4: they've blocked you. Another thing you can do is uh.

1540
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 4: In some cases, they'll be like a white knight in

1541
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 4: the chat and they'll usually stand up for you as

1542
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 4: a woman. It'll be another man, but then they get

1543
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 4: picked on for being a white knight, so to speak.

1544
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 4: It's a really it's a really tough situation. But another

1545
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 4: thing you can do uh, you know besides ignore is

1546
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 4: ignore it, you know, and and show them with your

1547
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 4: skill and your gameplay that you're not to be messed with,

1548
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's kind of a it's

1549
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 4: really kind of just a tough situation. And I hate

1550
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 4: to say it. But move to another game, you know,

1551
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 4: or another the answer, well another into the bar.

1552
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 3: Don't walk down no, I know, I know.

1553
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 4: But one thing you can do though, is instead of

1554
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 4: playing with strangers like some sometimes you go into a

1555
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 4: lobby and you play the game with whoever comes in.

1556
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: In other cases, you you're in a guild and you

1557
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 4: always play with the same people over and over and

1558
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 4: over again. And that's what I do. I play with

1559
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 4: a guild, and so or when I was, I don't

1560
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 4: play anymore. But when I did, I play with the

1561
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 4: guild and it's always the same people anymore.

1562
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: I don't have the time. Too busy. I'm too busy. Yeah,

1563
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 3: but like is very upset right now. He can sense

1564
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 3: my voice and my frustration, you know.

1565
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, I a guild is a good way, and like,

1566
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 4: I'm the kind of person that's just like I can't

1567
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm just gonna go to a different server.

1568
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with this guy, so I

1569
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 4: just leave the server. So when I say play another game,

1570
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 4: I just mean go to another server, go to another game.

1571
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 3: Instance, check another.

1572
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,719
Speaker 2: Group out, yeah, check, because you're getting a new sample

1573
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: of people.

1574
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 3: Most of the time.

1575
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 4: What I do is when I do play in lobbies

1576
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 4: and whatnot, is I just ignore that person.

1577
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 3: I just don't.

1578
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 4: They're not allowed to communicate with me anymore. But which

1579
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 4: affects the whole team, you know.

1580
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 2: But which is interesting because even making in Cells, one

1581
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 2: thing that we learned kind of the hard way, I

1582
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: would say, in the early stages of the podcast in Cells,

1583
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: is that we had a female, a female producer who

1584
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 2: was leaving a lot of messages and doing reaching out

1585
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 2: to either certain members or people who are identified as

1586
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 2: an in cell, and it was a real crickets. Nobody

1587
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 2: was responding, literally crickets until a man stepped in and

1588
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 2: started doing the exact same thing, and they got instant

1589
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: by the way, great man like they were both an

1590
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: extraordinary team. But it was so wild, like we never

1591
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 2: took that into account that a female producer would get

1592
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: zero responds and then to the exact same people with

1593
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 2: an equally efficient, extraordinary male producer. It would be instant yeah,

1594
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 2: instant response.

1595
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about yeah? And it's so you know, I'm

1596
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 3: a little.

1597
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 4: I'm feeling a little like I I'm giving the excuses

1598
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 4: like just leave the server just you know whatever. No,

1599
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 4: but I mean the idea that it's better to stay

1600
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 4: and fight, like and show them, like as a woman,

1601
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 4: what you're capable of, right, Like that's the ideal.

1602
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 3: But in situations where you're playing a game and you

1603
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 3: just want to have.

1604
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 4: Fun, no, you're not there to like freak up in

1605
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 4: the real world and having I want people to think that.

1606
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 4: I don't want people to think that the answer is

1607
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 4: to back down. That's all I'm saying. Like it's just

1608
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 4: you know, in a game situation, you know, it's just like,

1609
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 4: come on, I don't want anyone like.

1610
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 6: Kis, nor should anybody have to stand I mean, that's

1611
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 6: what it's been true infuriating is multitude.

1612
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 3: Of just you know, listening to interviews or you know,

1613
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 3: speaking to.

1614
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 6: Some people, girls are saying, you know, I stopped gaming

1615
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 6: because I would get rape threats every time I went online.

1616
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 3: But what are you supposed to do? Like that's the

1617
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 3: choice right there?

1618
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 2: Which BOTTI is putting such a perfect spotlight on Are

1619
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 2: you supposed to say, well, you know, I'm going to

1620
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 2: stand my you know, stand up for myself here publicly

1621
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 2: and on my only free time where I'm choosing to have,

1622
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, a little gaming space to have a little

1623
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: fun in my life. I'm going to go toe to

1624
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,440
Speaker 2: toe with this guy who's threatening to rape me online.

1625
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: Or is it smarter and more efficient to just like

1626
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 2: put a pin in that guy and like go to

1627
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 2: a different server with a different sample of people. Yeah,

1628
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: obviously that makes more sense. Like it's a but again,

1629
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 2: like it's such a small example of what happens on

1630
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 2: the daily right, there's no clear answer, and that's a

1631
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 2: tough one.

1632
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 3: And body you're certainly not giving.

1633
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: The advice to like don't up for yourself. This is

1634
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: like it's a game.

1635
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 3: We're talking about it. Yeah, this it's not like in

1636
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: the real world.

1637
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: We're talking about gaming, and like, if you're leaning in

1638
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 2: to have a gaming fun time, you don't need to

1639
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 2: have to be thinking about this huge filter that you know,

1640
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 2: we have to think about in.

1641
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 3: The real world. Right, it's's why everybody's in a gaming world.

1642
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, you kind of go there to escape and then

1643
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 4: you're exactly you called a down bee and a stupid

1644
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 4: B and a c you know, see the day and

1645
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 4: you know you get threats of you know, the R

1646
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 4: word and what you know.

1647
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's.

1648
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 5: Quickness.

1649
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 9: Not that I'm suggesting this, but are there any sort

1650
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 9: of female groups that, like, you know, all the women

1651
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 9: like banding together in this sort of I mean not

1652
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:44,879
Speaker 9: I think.

1653
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 4: I'm sure there is, I'm and but a lot of

1654
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 4: those things where you know, it's it's you know, specialized,

1655
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 4: those players are pretty really really really good and they're

1656
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 4: not gonna want let's like play with me, you know

1657
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like, okay.

1658
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 3: But but me, maybe there is.

1659
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, but you know there's there's a lot

1660
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 4: of female gamers, but you know, they just keep their

1661
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 4: mouth shuts a lot of time too.

1662
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 5: It sucks.

1663
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 3: It just sucks. Yeah. Well, Annesley, we can't thank you

1664
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 3: enough crazily. Yeah, let's go to another talk pack.

1665
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 5: Yeah we sure did.

1666
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 12: Hey, ladies.

1667
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 19: Dephane from Ohio, I just had a quick question for

1668
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 19: a body. I am planning my best friend's.

1669
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 3: Fortieth birthday for Vegas.

1670
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 19: In the spring, and I wanted to know what you

1671
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 19: suggested for you know, some ladies that are not quite

1672
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 19: into the clubbing scene, and.

1673
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 3: We're not twenty one anymore.

1674
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 19: I would just love to hear your thoughts and as

1675
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 19: to what we should spend our time on and what

1676
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 19: would be fun. Thanks ladies, love you bite.

1677
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 4: You know, it's so funny. People ask me all the

1678
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 4: time what do you do in Vegas? I'm like, I

1679
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 4: don't do anything.

1680
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 3: You know, you're spa.

1681
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 4: But you know that's a good place is It's an area.

1682
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 4: It's called Area fifteen, and it's it's you know set,

1683
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 4: it's close to the strip. We'd probably be staying, and

1684
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 4: it's kind of like an immersive experience. It's kind of

1685
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 4: it's not attached to a casino. It's a standalone building.

1686
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 4: It's easy to get to, and it's they have this

1687
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 4: thing called uh was it meo Wolf and it's like

1688
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 4: a supermarket.

1689
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: It's all.

1690
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 5: Like that.

1691
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 3: It's kind of like an escape room.

1692
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of hidden rooms and you have to

1693
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 4: like look at certain things in a certain order and

1694
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 4: to open the door. And also they serve they have

1695
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 4: a full bar, and so it's still it's still an

1696
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 4: adult experience and they have other stuff too. It's a

1697
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 4: it's a whole building of like immersive art, but it's fun.

1698
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 4: It's not like art that you go when you stand

1699
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 4: you look at and go, oh, that's really beautiful.

1700
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 3: It's like art. It's art that touches like you.

1701
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 9: It's almost like I think I've seen videos, it's almost

1702
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 9: like yeah, kind of feel like it's very bright and colorful.

1703
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 4: And it's very bright, colorful, very very like SOUF, like

1704
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 4: a lot of selfie opportunities, you know, like really cool

1705
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 4: backgrounds and things like that. And usually when people come

1706
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 4: in from out of town to Las Vegas, because when

1707
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 4: you live in Las Vegas, you don't go to the

1708
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 4: Las Vegas Strip and like walk, you just don't go.

1709
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,839
Speaker 4: It costs like forty five dollars to park, Like nobody's

1710
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 4: doing that that lives here, you know.

1711
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 3: So when people come into town, that's where.

1712
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 4: That's where I usually take people as Area fifteen only

1713
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 4: because it has nothing to do with gambling. You can

1714
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 4: still get margarita if you want. You can still you know,

1715
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 4: maybe garden if you know what I'm talking about. You know,

1716
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 4: you can still do all the things that let you

1717
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 4: have fun and have and have joy.

1718
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 3: And also it's just it's really cool because escape.

1719
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 4: It's a really nice escape and there's all kinds of

1720
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 4: different things to different experiences.

1721
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's Area fifteen.

1722
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 4: I would I would definitely check it out, and if

1723
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 4: they want, they can give me some free tickets.

1724
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 3: I'd be great to this. Fear is probably fun.

1725
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 4: Oh, oh my god, I saw The Wizard of Oz

1726
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 4: at the Sphere, you guys.

1727
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 3: It was so amazing.

1728
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it was so cool. Yes, definitely check

1729
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 4: out the Sphere. I think No Doubt is doing Oh

1730
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 4: residents see there starting really soon and that would be

1731
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 4: a fun settle thing. What an experience at the Sphere though,

1732
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:18,719
Speaker 4: if you get a chance to see Wizard of Oz,

1733
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 4: I definitely recommend It's so cool.

1734
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 9: It's on my bucket list. But I hear the tickets

1735
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,959
Speaker 9: are not that low price.

1736
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 4: So I have like nosebleed seats and our tickets were

1737
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 4: like eighty bucks. I mean, it's expensive for a movie,

1738
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 4: but you're paying for the experience.

1739
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 3: It's such a cool place and I loved it. It

1740
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 3: was so cool. But I would, Yeah, the Sphere would

1741
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 3: be a great a great recommendation, and then.

1742
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 2: Get a massage, go to one of those Grecian spas there.

1743
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 2: They have the best spas in Vegas. Yeah, you can

1744
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 2: get a sage and a soak and a hot tub, ohjuvenation.

1745
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 5: And free cocktail at the casino. Yeah.

1746
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 6: I doubled down on the spas part Stephanie, so all

1747
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:01,480
Speaker 6: of the you know, engaging and interesting and actually newsworthy

1748
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 6: stuff that body just shared and a massage and also

1749
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 6: just you know, when I've gone and had you know,

1750
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 6: more adult Vegas. Not a dirt bag. I've had plenty

1751
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,799
Speaker 6: of all experiences, but adult. It's just like pick a place,

1752
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 6: pick a spot, decide what kind of food you want.

1753
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 6: You will find the most excellent of your kind, and

1754
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 6: just I just lean into the luxury.

1755
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 4: And if you if you go to the Paris, go

1756
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 4: yes for me, mon amigabee. It's where the Eiffel towers

1757
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 4: and the sight seeing. Ask for like the window area,

1758
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 4: the sight seeing, the people watching, and you get to

1759
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 4: see the fountains from the it's French.

1760
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 3: The Eiffel tower. Is that the recommendation. I want to

1761
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 3: do this. I want to do this.

1762
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 4: You can have you can have brunch and you can

1763
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 4: have croissants and like bunch pastries and then you get

1764
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 4: and the French press coffee and sit outside and can

1765
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 4: you go on a gondolier?

1766
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 3: You can do that the Venetian. That's as you know.

1767
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, but the.

1768
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 2: God at the Venetian is sort of like, while everybody's shining,

1769
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 2: you're like in the gondolier.

1770
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 3: Very after all.

1771
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 21: Yeah, you're kind of in it, but like nobody else

1772
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 21: is there. You're all a little annoyed that your selfie.

1773
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 5: And even the.

1774
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 3: Gondolier is like, I know, this is sort of weird,

1775
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 3: but I'm from Detroit, you know.

1776
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, nies, it's already ending. Oh my goodness, this

1777
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 2: is the wrap up music. Listen, thank you for the

1778
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: beautiful Sunday night, ladies. I love you to our original

1779
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 2: talk back. Yes it is a joy. Working here is

1780
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 2: a joy. We will see you tomorrow on Monday. Oh,

1781
01:32:50,080 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 2: nothing but trouble, they say bye,