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Speaker 1: Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host

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Speaker 1: will also bring you into some of the wildest country

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Speaker 1: on the planet chasing battery. Thank you for checking out

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Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. On this episode, we're talking

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Speaker 1: to about using mules to access the back country. My

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Speaker 1: thirteen year old son and my sixteen year old good

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Speaker 1: friend's son are on the three day Christmas whitetail hunt

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Speaker 1: hunting in Arkansas. Bear live in wild places and it's

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Speaker 1: an adventure to get to them. Bears are iconic of

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Speaker 1: North American wilderness and part of the adventure of hunting

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Speaker 1: them is getting into wild places. I use a mule

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Speaker 1: and have chosen to use a mule to access wild places,

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Speaker 1: to get deeper, and to stay longer. That is something

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Speaker 1: just in the last few years that I have taken

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Speaker 1: on as a challenge, and I have significantly enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I have not enjoyed it because I necessarily think it's

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Speaker 1: and has complexified my my hunting. It has put this

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Speaker 1: in unique ways. Hunting with a mule is not necessarily

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Speaker 1: I have not chosen to do that. I have chosen

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Speaker 1: whitetail hunt is also directly connected to my public land

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Speaker 1: is the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast where we talk about

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Speaker 1: in bear hunting, and well, this white tail hunt takes

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Speaker 1: and so intimately knowing the land is critical for public

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Speaker 1: But we're just hunting these bears basically like deer and

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Speaker 1: hunting with hounds. I think bear hunting with hounds is

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Speaker 1: a critical time and unification is the only way forward.

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Speaker 1: Magazine podcast. It is December twenty seventh, is that right?

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Speaker 1: Two days after Christmas? Yip? Two days after Christmas? And

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Speaker 1: it's probably a good time to hunt the mountains of Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: David's David's hunted, grew up hunting with us some but

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Speaker 1: means that she's she's like a paint horse. She's got

430
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: white stocking feet, and she's got some white in different

431
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: places on her. But she's pretty much red sorrel. And

432
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: Uh I trained Izzy from scratch. Uh she had. All

433
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: she'd had on her was a halter. She'd had her Uh,

434
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: she'd been handled just a little bit, but basically hadn't

435
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: been handled much at all when I got her, and

436
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: UH and I and I. It's a long story. I

437
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: won't go into all the training details, but basically, UH

438
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: did some research and a lot of learning and had

439
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: some great advice from some good friends and train this

440
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: mule and I called the project Project Huney Mule, and

441
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: we videoed it, didn't we Bear, because we just needed

442
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: we need some content for the YouTube channel. And I

443
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: was training this mule and ever done it before, and

444
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: I thought, hey, that'd be cool though. Just every week

445
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: for the next six weeks put out a training video. Uh,

446
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: not trying to teach somebody something, but just trying to

447
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: show them what I was doing. I mean literally, I

448
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: was just looking for content and made these series of videos.

449
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: And David, did you know that that episode six of

450
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: Project honey Meal on YouTube has eight hundred over eight

451
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: hundred thousand views almost a million views, well maybe not

452
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: almost a million, away from a million. Um, yeah, did

453
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: you know that? Bear? And people cuss your dad every

454
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: day on there, and then some people think I did

455
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: a good job, oh ma'am YouTube. But um, let's see

456
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: what I want to talk about. Two is why mules

457
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: do you guys have any questions that do you think

458
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: people ought to know about using mules? If you're getting

459
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: in the back country like relevant quite jens widely you

460
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: can mule instead of Okay, that's a good question. Why

461
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: would you get a mule cyner horse? Okay? So horses

462
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: are much more readily available to mules. And to start off,

463
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: a mule is a is a cross between a female

464
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: horse or a mayor and a male donkey, which is

465
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: a jack. So jack and a mayor breed to make

466
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: a sterile hybrid, which is a mule. And there's something

467
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: that happens when you when you when you make a

468
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: hybrid animal, so you reread two different types of animals together,

469
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: but they're close enough to getting together genetically that they

470
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: can actually breed and produce offspring. That you have something

471
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: called hybrid vigor. And the mule is the epitome of

472
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: what they call hybrid vigor because there's basically that's where

473
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: you get a synergy that happens because of across A

474
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: synergy would mean like a ampli amplification of positive traits

475
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: that are greater than the sum of the individuals in essence,

476
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: and so a mule. What we would say is that

477
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: a mule has a lot of the really great traits

478
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: of the horse, but it also has a lot of

479
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: the really great traits of the donkey, but doesn't have

480
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the bad traits of the donkey, and doesn't have some

481
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: of the bad traits of the horse. And so what

482
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: you get in a mule is you get an animal

483
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: that is has more strength and stamina than a horse.

484
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: That's what they say anyway, And I know there's probably

485
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: people that have examples where they weren't, but in general,

486
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: a mule has more stamina than a horse. But the

487
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: main thing that a mule has over a horse that

488
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: has more sure footedness. The feet of a mule are

489
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: typically smaller hoofed and harder hoofed like a donkey, and

490
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: in rough, rocky terrain, a mule can pick through it

491
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: with extreme uh intentionality. And that's why that you know,

492
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: in the in the Grand Canyon National Park, they don't

493
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: ride horses down to the bottom. They ride mules. Um

494
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: mules are sure footed, They're not gonna fall over. Um

495
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: mules are in the South. The part of the reason

496
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: they use mules for plowing and for a lot of

497
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: work on this very mountain that we're on, boys, as

498
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: y'all know this, that they use mules to log this.

499
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: In the early nineteen hundreds, this very mountain, on this

500
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: ridge Gay Roanti, there were men that were up here

501
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: logging using mules to haul logs down. Um. So mules,

502
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: But in the South, mules didn't need as much water

503
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: as horses, and they had more stamina than horses, and

504
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: they could tolerate the heat better than horses. Okay, And

505
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: so why do I use a mule? Partly because of safety.

506
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: A mule will almost not A mule has a very

507
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: strong ability to not get itself in danger. So, for instance,

508
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: like my mule when it gets tangled up in its

509
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: lead rope, which it does sometimes, UM, when it when

510
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: it feels pressure up against it, it doesn't fight against

511
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: that pressure freak out like sometimes a horse could do. Um.

512
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: A mule won't go someplace that it's gonna hurt itself.

513
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: And now that would be in contrast to what people

514
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: would sometimes say about horses is a well trained horse

515
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: would probably run off a cliff if you told it to.

516
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: Um and uh. But there's a lot of really positive

517
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: traits about horses. Horses are faster, horses are more comfortable,

518
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: horses are easier to train, horses are more readily available,

519
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: and horses are are are generally easier to get along with.

520
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: A mule does have that stubborn nature of a monkey,

521
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: which in the end is good because when you get

522
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: a read I've heard some I've heard people say this,

523
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: and I believe when you have a good trained meal,

524
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: he'll never go back to a horse. I'm not trying

525
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: to step on horse people's feet because there's tons of

526
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: great mountain horses for doing exactly what we're doing that

527
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: would easily do what we're doing here today, were you

528
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: gonna say something. Also, horses you have to like feed

529
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: them grain every day and you have to like get

530
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: shoes for them. So a mule is much more hardy

531
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: than a horse. I mean, like basically I feed my

532
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: mules just regular old fescue and bermuda hay and very

533
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: very little grain, and they stay fit and healthy all

534
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: year round. Um, horses, you gotta you gotta feed. The

535
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: more you gotta feed them more grain, they're a little

536
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: bit harder to take care of. And shooing them. What

537
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: about shoeing them? Bear? You have shot them like once

538
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: every eight weeks. And yeah, and you have to if

539
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: you can't do it by yourself, you have to like

540
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: pay for somebody else. You gotta pay a ferrier. And uh, anyway,

541
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: we've we've never shoot any of our mules, and we

542
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: ride them in this rough, rocky mountains and they've never

543
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: had any trouble with them. So mules are cheaper. You

544
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: don't have to spend you know, uh a year on

545
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: a ferrier. You don't have to feed him as much.

546
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: They're just easier to easier to maintain their fitness and health.

547
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: And they're just sure footed in the mountains. And I

548
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: just like them. I think that's the main reason people

549
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: have mules is because they just like them, you know.

550
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's like why do you drive a Ford

551
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: over Chevy? Well, it's like a Chevy. You just like it. David,

552
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: can you think of any good did you have a question? Well, like,

553
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: I know, um you said, as he was probably carrying,

554
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred pounds. I mean, how much can

555
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: they carry? That's a good question. It all depends up

556
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: upon how far you're you're taking them. Now, she was

557
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 1: carrying a hundred and seventy five pounds of our gear.

558
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: But I've got a saddle that probably weighs forty plus

559
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: pounds heavy saddle, So so she was probably carrying two

560
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of deadweight coming up here, and she could

561
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: probably carry You wouldn't want to pack a whole lot

562
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: more on her than that. And if we were going

563
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: real far, like let's say we were in Montana and

564
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: we're packing back in fifteen miles through rough train, we

565
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have packed her that heavy. But for a shorter

566
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: pack as we had, which is really probably um less

567
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: than a mile, but but straight up a mountain, um,

568
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: we could have packed her probably a little bit heavier

569
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: even um. But most of your packers are only wanting

570
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: to pack about a hundred and fifty pounds on an

571
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: animal that they're gonna take in very far um. But

572
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: so mules are mules. Mules are readily available in the South.

573
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: I helped a guy up north last year by mule

574
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: because he was up in Michigan and wanted a mule

575
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: and couldn't find one. But down in this part of

576
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: the world, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Southeast Kansas, Tennessee, you're gonna

577
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of mules, because that's kind of historic

578
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: mule country. But I have I guess the biggest thing

579
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: that I'll say is that if you're gonna get into him,

580
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: you can't if you don't enjoy the process. It's just

581
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of work because it does add

582
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: a layer of work. Like, yes, I was able to

583
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: go up to the top of the mountain this morning

584
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: with eavesh you know, I I'm I climbed about feet

585
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: of elevation today and got off my mule with fresh legs. Okay,

586
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: so that's pretty good. That would have taken me at

587
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: least an hour, probably an hour and a half carrying

588
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: a big, heavy pack like I was today. So that's

589
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: the beauty of it is that you can get to

590
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: where you hunt and when you're there you'll have fresh legs.

591
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: But what you guys just woke up this morning, put

592
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: on your hunting gear and just left out from camp.

593
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: It took me fifteen minutes, twenty minutes of pretty hard

594
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: work to get Izzy bridled up, sadalon bags, you know,

595
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: all the everything. Just get her, just get her ready

596
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: to go. And then when I got up to where

597
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to hunt, I tied her up and Izzy's

598
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: done pretty good at staying uh, staying tied without throwing

599
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: a fit. Like every aspect of this is is what

600
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: you have to train this animal to do. And by

601
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: training it sometimes that means just going out and doing it.

602
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: But you know some animals when your time and leave

603
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: them might freak out and paul the ground and nay

604
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: and throw a fit and make a ruckus and try

605
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: to break loose. So is he's really good? I left

606
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Izzy today for four or five hours at one stretch

607
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: without going back to her, came back to her and

608
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: she was fine. Um, twice we've let Izzie get away

609
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: from us, bear, hadn't we? Well? Actually it was Elie

610
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: May once tell us about that, Ellie? Or is he

611
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: was Ellie May that got away from us the first

612
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: time we came up here. Do you remember not a lot?

613
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Well it was it was on your birthday two years ago,

614
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: and we hunted and we came back and Ellie wasn't there.

615
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you never went back up Yeah yeah, yeah,

616
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: we we bear And I left Ellie May for six

617
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: hours and came back and she was gone, and she

618
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: had chewed her lead rope. She had chewed I didn't.

619
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: That was something that was new to me. Elliot had

620
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: chewed her lead rope and uh, we were camped on

621
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: the side of the mountain. So we walked back to

622
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: camp in the dark, carrying the saddle because I had

623
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: taken the saddle off of her way up on top

624
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: and came down the mountain and uh and interestingly enough,

625
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: the closest, the closest residents to where we were hunting

626
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: was a bar. And uh, so I went to the

627
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: bar late at night told Bear, I said, son, stay

628
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: in this truck. If anyone comes to the truck, don't

629
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: open the door, and just duck yourself down and hide. Anyway,

630
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: I went into the to this bar and uh, country bar,

631
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: late at night, Saturday night. Have you heard this story, David,

632
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that. I think I told this at

633
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: church one time. Do you not remember that? And Uh? Anyway,

634
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: I go into this spar and I'm dressed at all

635
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: camo and I mean every head in the place, which

636
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: are probably ten people in there, turns to me and

637
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: they see me walk up to the bar. And what

638
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell this woman is, hey, I lost my mule.

639
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: And if you hear anybody driving down this highway that

640
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: pulls in here and says, hey, there's a mule or

641
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: a horse hip on the highway, like I wanted her

642
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: to call me. I didn't know what was gonna happen anyway.

643
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I I as soon as the people saw me trying

644
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: to get the waitress the bartender's attention, it was a woman.

645
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: They all every head in the place turned towards me,

646
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: and everybody went quiet. Everybody stopped their conversation and looks

647
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: at me. And I go and there's loud music playing,

648
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: and so I'm yelling and I say, I lost my mule.

649
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: I lost my mule up on the mountain. If you

650
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: see it, I'd like to leave my number and you

651
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: can call me if anybody pulls in here and says

652
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: they saw a mule, and uh and everybody people were like, mule,

653
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: you lost your mule. You'll never find it. Yeah, it

654
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: was it was great. Uh so, yeah that happened bear.

655
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: And then the other time, when we're tracking River's bear

656
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: up here, is he get away from us? And what

657
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: I learned about these mules. Two different mules did the

658
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: exact same thing as they went back the direction that

659
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: they came from, and we were able to catch them back,

660
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: not right back at the truck, but basically en route

661
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: to the truck. Both mules were able to catch hours later.

662
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: But that's no fun. But you know, hunting on mules

663
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: has been extremely rewarding for me. But I really enjoy

664
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: riding in the mountains. And one of the biggest things

665
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: for me is, as I've tried to decide, is hunting

666
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: on a mule, where's your flashlight out there? He is

667
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: hunting on a mule um advantageous to killing game, And uh,

668
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: I haven't made that. I haven't decided if it is

669
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: or if it isn't. Sometimes I think it'd be better

670
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: if I just got out of the truck and just

671
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: walked up the mountain and hunted. But I can guarantee

672
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: you one thing, bear, the big buck that we found

673
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: last year, we would have never found because I've jumped

674
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: the buck while I was on the mule, and I

675
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: was back in a place I never would have been

676
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: if I'd have been walking on foot. And so I

677
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: jumped this buck and then later came back in and

678
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: hunted that deer and passed a few deer while I

679
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: was hunting that one. And that's when we started hanging

680
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: cameras back in here bear trying to find these deer,

681
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: and so the mule just basically opens up more country

682
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: to you. It doesn't necessarily make anything easier. That's my

683
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: assessment on it at this point. And uh oh, I could,

684
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: I could talk and give a whole another thirty minutes

685
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: of commentary on on how to buy mule what you're

686
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: looking for. But I will say this, not every mule

687
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: will carry game. I mean, um is he is? He

688
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: will because I've I've gradually, over the course of training her,

689
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: put game on her. The first thing I put on

690
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: her was a coon. And that may sound like reasonable.

691
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: You're like, well, yeah, I throw a con over your mule,

692
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound bad. But man equine animals are their

693
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: prey animals. They're designed to flee from danger, and they

694
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: are skittish of almost everything unless you train them and

695
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: expose them to that thing in safe situations where they

696
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: realize that it won't hurt them. So by nature, they're

697
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: almost afraid of everything. So we've coon hunted off is

698
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: he and put mules over this or put excuse me,

699
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: coons over the saddle horn. That was the first thing.

700
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: The second thing last year I turkey hunted on Izzy

701
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: and killed a gobbler turkey and carried out the gobbler,

702
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: just put a piece of peara cord between the turkey's feet,

703
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: put that prayer cord over the saddle horn, and just

704
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: came right off the mountain. Um, we're gonna come back

705
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: to Turkey hunting off a mule. Uh. This year, I've

706
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: yet to kill a deer while I've been hunting back

707
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: like this, But this year when I killed, when Bear

708
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: killed the deer a couple of well months or a

709
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: month ago, Um, I I basically exposed the mule to

710
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: the carcass and uh, and fed the mule with a

711
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: carcass like laying at the laying at the mule's feet.

712
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: So the mule had to come over and eat grain

713
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: right by this deer and got really used to it.

714
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: And so now I think if if we killed a deer,

715
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: Izzy would figure she was about to get some grains,

716
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: so she'd be happy. And I eventually got the deer

717
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: honor back, and so is. He's pretty well mannered when

718
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: it comes to games, so I don't think we'd have

719
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: any trouble with her. Now Bear would be a totally

720
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: different experience. I have not exposed her to bear that smell,

721
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: because they do smell. But that being said, now turkey

722
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: hunting is a whole different story. Turkey hunting in the

723
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: big National for us, on meal back is the way

724
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: to go because you ride the mule and just call

725
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: right off her back, like I don't even get off.

726
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't even get off her back. I just ride

727
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: up this ridge calling and if I when I hear

728
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: a gobble, then just get off, tire up and go

729
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: hunt to turkey. Now, the only negative thing is if

730
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: you were calling like that in one gobbled like seventy

731
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: yards away, I mean you'd have to just act quick

732
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: in the in the mule might end up spooking to turkey.

733
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: But most of the time you're gonna hear a turkey

734
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: gobble further off, and you're gonna be able to either

735
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: turn and ride away for um the turkey. That makes sense.

736
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: Like you hear a turkey gobble it's a hundred yards, well,

737
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: then just turned dead away and ride back fifty sixty yards,

738
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: get off, tie the mule, and then come back up

739
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: to where you were called worked a turkey, or it

740
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: just gets you back into good country like I ride

741
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: last year, I never heard of turkey while I was

742
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: on is He's back. But I got into some good

743
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: country way back in there, tighter up and then went

744
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: hunting on foot, killed the turkey, then used her to

745
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: haul it all out. So turkey hunting on mule back

746
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: is big um, but you know it's dangerous. That's one

747
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: negative about it. Uh. My daughter River was if you

748
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: listen to one of the first podcasts, I talked in

749
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: detail about a mule wreck that my daughter had back

750
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: in October while we were bear hunting. We used our

751
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: mules to haul in bear bait to a secluded property

752
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: that we couldn't take vehicles into. And uh, on the

753
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: way down the same deal, we're using paniards, bags that

754
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: fall that lay over a saddle. On the way down,

755
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: we took the paniard off and River was just gonna

756
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: ride the mule down and the mule got away from her.

757
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: River lost her balance while ducking under a limb. River

758
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: wasn't used to the mule she was on. The mule

759
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: started to run down the mountain and basically the mule

760
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: was loping down the mountain out of control with my

761
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: fifteen year old daughter on her back, and Uh, the

762
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: river came off buster. Her head had to get How

763
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: many stitches did you have, David, I had. I know

764
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: it was like ten or eight. I don't remember. It

765
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: was a lot. I don't remember either. She also got

766
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: a concussion, Yeah, she got. It was a bad deal.

767
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: It was. It was a father fail, you know, Uh,

768
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: to this day, it was. It was a mistake. Had

769
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: a lot of faith in the mule and in River,

770
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: and still have faith in the mule and river, but

771
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: it was wasn't the best combination. And uh yeah, River

772
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: slic eye open, River sliced her eye open. Limb. My,

773
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: my daughter, Rivers had a tough go out it with

774
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: mules and we've made a couple of visits to the

775
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: er because of it. She loves them exactly, but I

776
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: won't hardly let her ride. But no, she a limb

777
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: sliced her eyelid while she was on the mule, and uh,

778
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I had to take her. She came back to the

779
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: house bleeding all down her face. It was pretty spooky. Um.

780
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: But I guess I'm I guess I'm saying some of

781
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: the negative things too, because I had kind of a

782
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 1: romantic view of owner the mule and that I didn't

783
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: think it was gonna be easy, But I guess I

784
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: just didn't know how hard it was gonna be. But

785
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: but boys, this is where this is where the story

786
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: turns awesome. Because things that are really hard, that are difficult,

787
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: that stretch you, that caused you to grow, that caused

788
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: you to have to learn a totally new set of

789
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: skills and test yourself tests your fear are good because

790
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: one of the greatest accompliment external accomplishments, let me describe

791
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: it like that, one of my most my favorite external

792
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: accomplishments that I've ever done is training Issy from scratch.

793
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: And I mean, she's a good mule man. She'll go

794
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: where your pointer, she'll do what you tell her, she'll

795
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: cross water, she'll get in the she'll get in a trailer,

796
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: she'll let a hound ride on her back. Um, she's

797
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: a She's a heck of a mule for a young mule.

798
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: And I had to overcome a lot of year, had

799
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: to overcome a lot of knowledge barriers, had to overcome

800
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: a lot of limitations to do that. And so the

801
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: difficulty of it has actually made me into something stronger

802
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: than what I was. And so just because it's hard

803
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. And as a testament

804
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: to that, I remember when you bought Izzy because I

805
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: was there. You were there, weren't you. Yeah, And that

806
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: was crazy. That was she was absolutely out of control

807
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: when that happened. But now, I mean we packed stuff

808
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: on her and you know, let her up the mountain

809
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: and she'll do exactly, like like you said, everything that

810
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: you tell her to do. Yeah, yep, Barry, you've never

811
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: been in a mule wreck, hav you? Nope? No? Uh?

812
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: I once well when we were writing ELI one time

813
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: and I kind of like turned her and ship was

814
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: on the back and he flew off. Yeah. Man, we're

815
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: telling all these bad stories. Yeah, like the first two

816
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: weeks we had a mule, It wasn't even the mule's fault.

817
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: My son just fell off and broke his arm. We've

818
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: had a pretty rough go now that we started stacking

819
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: up the casualties. And um, I had a pretty hard

820
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: fall off elim Ay when I first got her. So

821
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: it's not something that you get into lightly, but it

822
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: has it his you know, I may who knows what

823
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: the future holds, but I doubt they'll ever be a

824
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: time in my life where I don't have a mule.

825
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I love them, I really do. I enjoy

826
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: riding them. Hunting these mountains is so much fun to

827
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 1: cruise around on a mule. It's you gotta be tough,

828
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: but it's I love it. And hunting these mountains is

829
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: different than hunting out west. These woods are thick, you're

830
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: fighting limbs, you're fighting super steep hills, you're you know,

831
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: it's mainly the limbs that make it difficult. But all right,

832
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: and closing, this is just supposed to be a short,

833
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: kind of a short podcast, just talking about backcountry hunting

834
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: with mules. Maybe at the later day we could talk

835
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: about what we packed. But the biggest thing that's cool

836
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: about this is like we could have all carried you know,

837
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 1: fifty pound packs and walked in, but we are living

838
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: like kings up here on the mountain and and where

839
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: we're honey, we can't. We have to carry in all

840
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: our ouwn water because there's no water sources up high

841
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: on these mountains that are that are predictable anyway. There's

842
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: water now because it rained, but yesterday that before that,

843
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: there wasn't any water up here. They probably won't be tomorrow. Yeah,

844
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: so we have to carry water. So for three guys

845
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: for three days. I mean, you know you're talking, you

846
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: need forty pounds of water or more and so bye bye.

847
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: By having this mule, basically we're able to be real

848
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: comfortable in the back country. Have plenty of food, plenty

849
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: of sleeping bags, plenty of tents and tarps, and for me,

850
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: camera gear because I'm I'm filming a lot of these

851
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,480
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Speaker 1: that's part of the reason I carry right of mule

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Speaker 1: closing thoughts, guys, closing thoughts, mules for the wind, mules

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Speaker 1: for the wind mules for the ones you're closing. Comment

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Speaker 1: one time, is he let me get on her back

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Speaker 1: while I was coming from a tree? What do you mean, well,

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Speaker 1: dropped down in her back. When when was this this summer?

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Speaker 1: Is he or Ellie? All right? Well, hey, I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed our fireside talk. We uh, we're sitting here

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Speaker 1: on the side of the mountain and we're gonna hunt tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: And uh, but as of yet, we've we've we hadn't

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Speaker 1: up on our channel. But if he doesn't, you'll never

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Speaker 1: hear about it, and this, this hunt will be lost

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Speaker 1: like smoking the wind. You still want to hear about it, Well,

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Speaker 1: if David does too, yes, or if I do. But hey,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's an honor, guys to be able to

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Speaker 1: hunt in a place like this in the year it's

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Speaker 1: almost twenty nineteen. By the time people here, this will

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Speaker 1: be twenty nineteen. For sure. It's an honor, a privilege

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Speaker 1: that we have public lands and we can carry our

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Speaker 1: firearms intwo pack our mules back in here, put out

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Speaker 1: our trail cameras and get pictures of nice bucks and

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Speaker 1: be able to hunt. So well, we gotta do what

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00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: you boys have to do, what I have to do.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep the wild places wild, because that's where the

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Speaker 1: bears live in the deer. You didn't see a squirrel

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Speaker 1: to well, bear did, and I believe that he saw.

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Speaker 1: I saw a monster grace squirrel. I mean like it

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Speaker 1: was a shooter. For sure. We gotta go to bed