Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast is back with
Speaker 2: another episode.
Speaker 3: I am Lisa Traeger.
Speaker 1: And I am Kara Klank And on this podcast we
Speaker 1: talk about an episode of SVU. We talk about the
Speaker 1: true crime it was based on or the real stories
Speaker 1: based on, and then we talked to a guests and
Speaker 1: we have a good one today. But first, huge news
Speaker 1: to our little podcast family.
Speaker 3: We have a granddaughter. I mean, no, I don't know
Speaker 3: what we'll call her.
Speaker 1: Our intrepid producer Casey has welcomed a little daughter and we're.
Speaker 3: So excited for him.
Speaker 1: Her name is Patients and it's like a perfect name
Speaker 1: because he has so much patience with us and uh,
Speaker 1: I love it and we're really excited for him. So
Speaker 1: he's going to be on a little bit of a
Speaker 1: paternity leave for a few weeks and then he'll be back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No flagwaven no flag. Yeah, no flags for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. But we'll try to keep it we'll still
Speaker 1: try to keep it tied up top.
Speaker 2: It's so exciting. I have to go buy baby things.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, is there a kid podcast set? Well,
Speaker 2: you are headed.
Speaker 1: You are headed to a airport tomorrow, and I know
Speaker 1: you always find things at airports.
Speaker 3: You're like, what, baby do we know we need to
Speaker 3: get them this at airport shops.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see what you know, Saint Louis
Speaker 1: Merch patients will be wearing in a few weeks.
Speaker 2: I know it's way hold. I'm going to look. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna look this up. I bet it exists. Do you
Speaker 2: think a podcast toy for kids exists?
Speaker 1: Ooh, like baby's first podcasting equipment that's really funny, like
Speaker 1: a little mic and a little zoom recorder.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I wrote kid podcast toy and it's not happening.
Speaker 2: I'm getting Ghostbuster plasma toys. Well, we'll look into it later.
Speaker 2: I did buy one friend's kid a jellycat stuffed microphone
Speaker 2: with like a little face on it, and it was
Speaker 2: really fucking cute every time she held it.
Speaker 3: That is super cute.
Speaker 2: And then this month, last minute, who knows, but I
Speaker 2: am going to be in Phoenix for Valentine's Day hosting
Speaker 2: a male strip show, and then the next day I'm
Speaker 2: doing like an after Valentine's Day show, So the fourteenth
Speaker 2: naked men and me, the fifteenth me and something. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it'll be something different, but I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what it is yet. Yeah, hopefully by the time I
Speaker 2: land in Phoenix, I'll know. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: For all the details on that, you guys can go
Speaker 1: to Thats messed Up live dot com and that has
Speaker 1: a link to what Liza's website and that we'll have
Speaker 1: all the info on there because it really goes your
Speaker 1: link tream.
Speaker 2: And I'll be in Boston February twenty third, and I'm
Speaker 2: excited at Crystal Ballroom.
Speaker 1: It's where Karen and I were a few times ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's where we were like about one year ago. We
Speaker 1: did two great shows at that venue. I'm excited for you.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be so fun. Well, you were in Boston
Speaker 1: during the holidays. Did we even talk about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think we did right because I said I stayed
Speaker 1: at my friends and it was so great. Yeah, Boston
Speaker 1: is awesome, and we we love a lot of you
Speaker 1: gals that are there.
Speaker 2: So I had this amazing idea because lobster rolls never
Speaker 2: satisfy me in the way that I want them to, Like,
Speaker 2: it's just too much. It's just never enough meat. So
Speaker 2: then I had an idea, what if the lobsterol was
Speaker 2: like just the tail in a hot dog bun, so
Speaker 2: it would be like a lobster tail hot dog. So
Speaker 2: then it would actually be meaty and some buttery bread.
Speaker 2: So I messaged, you know, a chef with a seafood restaurant,
Speaker 2: and he said that would be tough to eat and
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars.
Speaker 1: So honestly a perfect Lisa invention if you ask me. Now,
Speaker 1: you got to get a brand that says bad with money,
Speaker 1: brand that on the side of the bun, and that's
Speaker 1: like a perfect you call it the Lisa Dog.
Speaker 2: I just there's just something about a lobsterol that's never
Speaker 2: fully satisfying for me, even though I love lobster and
Speaker 2: I love bread and I love butter, like I love
Speaker 2: all the ingredients, and it's never like I've just never
Speaker 2: beenen to a lobsterol and goes, this is the best
Speaker 2: one I've ever had, Like I could tell you my
Speaker 2: top few burgers, like my favorite nachos.
Speaker 3: I could tell you where.
Speaker 2: I would love to get a turkey club, you know,
Speaker 2: like all these things, I can't tell you where.
Speaker 3: Like my favorite lobsterol is.
Speaker 1: There is a place called Son of a Gun that's
Speaker 1: like a delicious seafood restaurant on like Third Street, kind
Speaker 1: of near below who or whatever, And they have a lobsterole.
Speaker 3: It is this big, it's three inches long. But it
Speaker 3: is good. But maybe there's something about it being small.
Speaker 1: I don't have big expectations because it's not gonna like
Speaker 1: fill me up or anything.
Speaker 2: Honey, They're always small in this economy.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm trying to invent the bigger, the bigger
Speaker 3: meteor lof sterrel.
Speaker 2: They're always tiny. They're always thirty four dollars. I never
Speaker 2: you know where it's great. Mermaid In for their Happy
Speaker 2: Hour menu has a mini lobsterole, So that feels good
Speaker 2: because you're paying a mini.
Speaker 3: Price, yes, mini for mini baby, so then that's okay.
Speaker 2: But we had no I mean, this isn't a food podcast,
Speaker 2: but we had an incredible barrata. I would say last week,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the blood orange and honey comb. Delicious, lash
Speaker 2: really liked it. Yeah, Barada's still holding out there.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Like there was a time where like Buffalo Mozzarella was
Speaker 1: on every menu, and then Buffalo Montrello got kicked the
Speaker 1: fuck out. It became Barata, and I thought, oh, Barrata's
Speaker 1: not got that much longer before it becomes something else.
Speaker 1: But Barata's got a stranglehold on I would say the
Speaker 1: appetizer section of a lot of menus.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest. I had never had Barata until
Speaker 2: like five years ago. I didn't even know it was
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that's like exactly you're describing. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like exactly what. But do you remember before that,
Speaker 1: it'd be like you'd get like a big ball of
Speaker 1: like imported like Buffalo mozzarella, like delicious, like from Italy
Speaker 1: and be like, ooh, this is the big sporage appetizer.
Speaker 1: And then Barata moved in and now that's it. It's
Speaker 1: a little easier to spread on a piece of bread.
Speaker 2: I would always get a capreisee. Yeah, mozzarella is in
Speaker 2: the game. I don't know if that's yeah, the same
Speaker 2: thing or not.
Speaker 3: Well, now there's Barata capraises everywhere, you know, Yeah, Barrota
Speaker 3: is in Brussels, sprouts is held out. I do love
Speaker 3: food trends.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't tell you what's popular right now
Speaker 2: though I don't know what food trend is in.
Speaker 3: I can't think of anything specific.
Speaker 2: I said passion fruit is in, but I don't see
Speaker 2: it as much as I thought I would.
Speaker 3: I fucking love passion fruit. I love it so much.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce this brand, but it's
Speaker 2: like Olinis. Olinos. Their passion fruit Greek yogurt is the
Speaker 2: best thing ever. Ooh, it's so good. If you see that,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not cheap. It's like four dollars a
Speaker 2: little container. Gotta get some, but it is so smooth,
Speaker 2: so creamy, and the passion fruit is perfectly tart, and
Speaker 2: then the little seeds give like a little extra crunch.
Speaker 3: I really love it.
Speaker 2: We need Top Chef back, and I think we've proven
Speaker 2: that we could be guest hosts.
Speaker 1: I need judges, judges, judges, pat but get the pack
Speaker 1: up your knives and leave. We're the guest hosts.
Speaker 3: Now. Although she's gone all right, know, yeah she.
Speaker 2: Went to and I get it to focus on her
Speaker 2: own show. You know, Tastes of the Nation is very successful.
Speaker 3: Who's who's taking over for her? Do we know? We do?
Speaker 2: Her name is Kristin. She is a winner of Top Chef.
Speaker 2: Kristin Kish. What's amazing about her win? So Top Chef
Speaker 2: started doing this thing where they would do Last Chance
Speaker 2: Kitchen and if you got voted off, the people voted
Speaker 2: off would have their own competition. So the two of
Speaker 2: them and the last man's standing of the last Man's
Speaker 2: Kitchen throughout the season gets to go back into the
Speaker 2: game as the final four or five or something like that.
Speaker 3: Final Okay, and she.
Speaker 2: Did that, so she'd be every single eliminated person all
Speaker 2: season and then she she.
Speaker 3: Got to go back. And then when she went back,
Speaker 3: did she win or she she didn't win? She won,
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Wow, Her win is extra special because she's straight up
Speaker 2: head to head be every single person. But she didn't
Speaker 2: have to do all these challenges. She didn't do restaurant wars.
Speaker 2: But beating everyone head to head is pretty impressive. And
Speaker 2: everyone's desperation when they come right out, it's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I gotta win, and she still want so Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I really love Melissa King Honestly, the two Asian lesbians
Speaker 2: are the best top chef alone, right, But Kristin is
Speaker 2: like a great choice, and everyone was happy and Padma
Speaker 2: was happy, you know, like everyone was really no one
Speaker 2: was people are gonna miss Padma, like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: we don't want her to leave, But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: everyone's really happy. No one's mad about the situation at all.
Speaker 2: Comment in the comments if you're pissed.
Speaker 1: Wait, this is such a random turn. But I had
Speaker 1: to say before I forget. Last week we did the
Speaker 1: episode Blood where the mom Jenny who was panhandling, and
Speaker 1: I did not mention that the actress is the mother
Speaker 1: from a Christmas Story, and I cannot believe I didn't
Speaker 1: mention that, and a couple people have pointed out to
Speaker 1: me and I have to do a correction in SAM,
Speaker 1: so I really apologize.
Speaker 3: I talked about Emily.
Speaker 1: Valentine from nine o two to zero at nauseum, and
Speaker 1: I completely missed Melinda Dillon, who literally is I think
Speaker 1: like an OSCAR nominated actress who was the mom in
Speaker 1: a Christmas Story which is a classic, and she did
Speaker 1: pass away last year, so we need to respect her memory.
Speaker 1: But that's just a little corrections corner for me right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still haven't seen that movie. I don't think,
Speaker 2: oh a Christmas story or maybe I was like blacked
Speaker 2: out on Christmas, but no I did. It was in
Speaker 2: the background of One Christmath. But like I maybe saw
Speaker 2: last year. Like it's weird.
Speaker 1: Like I watched that movie and was like, I feel
Speaker 1: weird watching it. Like it's just like the dad's really
Speaker 1: mean to the kids, and like there's this whole fantasy
Speaker 1: about buying a gun. You know, it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a bb gun, but you know, it's like then
Speaker 1: there's these really mean bullies. There's this whole Peter and
Speaker 1: the Wolf sequence where they play the music from Peter
Speaker 1: and the Wolf and these bullies are like stalking the kids.
Speaker 1: It's a weird movie, but it is like in all
Speaker 1: of our brains from childhood, I feel.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like a jew who didn't know about it.
Speaker 2: It's like you know about the lamp, Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: about the bunny outfit, and you know about the tongue
Speaker 2: on the poll.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My friend Rachel has a small replica of the lamp
Speaker 1: in her guest room, so I see it every time
Speaker 1: I stay there.
Speaker 3: Dads really love that. Dads love that leg lamp.
Speaker 2: If you give a dad that leg lamp for the holidays,
Speaker 2: he's gonna lose it.
Speaker 1: You can get a little ornament of the leg lamp
Speaker 1: too if you can't. If you can't commit to having
Speaker 1: a full, actual working leg lamp, you can have it
Speaker 1: still represented.
Speaker 2: Is this gonna be our Halloween debacle? Where we talked
Speaker 2: about Halloween for three weeks after Halloween?
Speaker 1: It's like the end of January and we're like any
Speaker 1: other Christmas movies you're loving right now, Lisa way.
Speaker 3: In as not.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what I did start watching American Nightmare.
Speaker 2: Oh and if you're someone ignorant to not ignorant, like
Speaker 2: naive to the justice system and how victims of sexual
Speaker 2: assault are treated, this wasn't surprising.
Speaker 3: I can't and the rage I have.
Speaker 2: Even with all the research we do, I was shaking.
Speaker 3: I was so mad watching this.
Speaker 2: So the fact that there are people who aren't as
Speaker 2: like in the know and are seeing this. I can't
Speaker 2: imagine how shocked and angry people are, like if you
Speaker 2: are just learning it for the first time.
Speaker 3: Because awful. Yeah, and this this just came out on Netflix.
Speaker 2: It did I didn't even watch the third episode because
Speaker 2: I was in such a rage. I'm like, I really
Speaker 2: need to put something calming on before bed. But it's
Speaker 2: about a kidnapping, like a really wild like the details
Speaker 2: of the case are very strange, so I understand the confusion,
Speaker 2: like being like, Wow, this is weird. But a woman
Speaker 2: was kidnapped, a guy was tied up, and then the
Speaker 2: cops were just convinced it was gone girl and they
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe it. They wouldn't investigate, they wouldn't look into evidence.
Speaker 2: And then the kidnapper got pissed because he wanted attention
Speaker 2: for it. He started sending evidence and the cops ignored it.
Speaker 2: They didn't, they refused, They refused to believe she wasn't lying,
Speaker 2: and then they decided to charge them for lying. Like
Speaker 2: they wouldn't look for her even when she came back
Speaker 2: she was a suspect. Everyone was blaming her. Why didn't
Speaker 2: you scream?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: The cops refuse to believe it, and then like this
Speaker 2: journalist is a big part of the documentary. He went
Speaker 2: up to one of the cops and was like, what's
Speaker 2: up with you? And he goes, come on, this isn't real.
Speaker 2: Have you seen Gone Girl? And that's it. They refused
Speaker 2: to look into it. That is so fucked.
Speaker 1: I literally just looked it up because I was like,
Speaker 1: when did this happen? It happened in twenty fifteen, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I wonder if cases like Sherry
Speaker 1: Peppini influenced them, like the cops, because remember she actually
Speaker 1: did plan a hoax kidnapping of herself, but that was
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. It was the year after this woman got
Speaker 1: kidnapped in the American Nightmare.
Speaker 2: No, cops don't need a reason to distrust women. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Gone Girl fucked with the psyche.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The victim was blonde, and what she went through was horrible.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine going through that trauma and then finally
Speaker 2: being able to get out and thinking like fuck yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the cops are like, you're lying, You're dumb, bitch,
Speaker 2: we don't trust you. And to her guy, they were
Speaker 2: in the same bed. He was like tied up as
Speaker 2: she was taken, and.
Speaker 3: They just they didn't care.
Speaker 2: The cop they did not care, and the FBI, the
Speaker 2: FBI was involved, and FBI didn't believe them either, but
Speaker 2: also refused to look at any of that, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're gonna watch everyone should watch it. I'm gonna stop
Speaker 2: talking about it. So there's actually something to watch, but
Speaker 2: American Nightmare. If you listen to our podcast, I think
Speaker 2: you will not enjoy, but be interested in watching American
Speaker 2: Nightmare on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn, damn, Daniel, that is fucked. I want to watch.
Speaker 1: It just popped up in my you know, front page
Speaker 1: of my Netflix and you had told me about it too,
Speaker 1: so it's on the list.
Speaker 2: The world is just too big, you know. I'm always like,
Speaker 2: why am I trying to get stoned all day every day?
Speaker 2: And then it's like so clear. It's so clear when
Speaker 2: you start discussing the world and the crush, like the
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it is, Like, it's just
Speaker 2: too much. Yeah, the injustice of the world is too much.
Speaker 2: But you know what could help you feel better buying
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Speaker 1: We've got good stuff. And then we also have our
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Speaker 1: if you've been hadding your eye on the purple one,
Speaker 1: and when that one goes, it's gone.
Speaker 3: And a couple other little items. I love our new sweatshirt.
Speaker 3: I love it. It's so I'm caring it right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I'm holding it in my hand because at the moment,
Speaker 2: I'm wearing my cast s View sweatshirt.
Speaker 1: So that's that's actually what's happening. Oh my god, we're
Speaker 1: so ill. We just did an interview too. Like luckily
Speaker 1: this person couldn't have seen our outfits, so that's messed up.
Speaker 1: Live dot Com has a shop link and that takes
Speaker 1: you to all this stuff. This stuff will ship in
Speaker 1: like mid February, so you can order now, but it'll
Speaker 1: it'll ship in a couple of weeks after that, so
Speaker 1: go get it, guys.
Speaker 2: No, I was just gonna interrupt because like the way
Speaker 2: we would get dressed for these interviews when this podcast
Speaker 2: first started.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, blown out maker.
Speaker 2: We did full glam. It was like we put on outfit,
Speaker 2: full eyeliner. Truly, I don't. I did brush my teeth,
Speaker 2: but sometimes I don't like I roll out and roll
Speaker 2: onto these and I really can't believe how comfortable we've
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 3: Because it used to be like, ooh, this is a
Speaker 3: big star, this is a hottie.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I still feel like there's a certain person I
Speaker 1: need to put an eye liner on for. But I
Speaker 1: can't remember who the last person was that i'd put
Speaker 1: eyeliner on for.
Speaker 3: I can't either.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it was Kelly Giddish and that was two years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Kelly Giddish. I think I put a
Speaker 2: comb through my hair. I think I was really excited
Speaker 2: to see and she.
Speaker 1: Was in running clothes, I think lying on her bed. No,
Speaker 1: she was in the garage. Didn't she finish a workout?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or she was she was in workout clothes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: ye yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I you know what psycho thing
Speaker 2: I did with our friend. Yes, well, okay, we do
Speaker 2: need to start this episode. I do have two things
Speaker 2: to say. You know, I was playing Mario Kart with
Speaker 2: our friend's children and I don't think I realized how
Speaker 2: often I say fucking and fuck because I was called out.
Speaker 1: You really don't know until you are around children. And
Speaker 1: trust me, my son won't stop saying fucking bitch. And
Speaker 1: I don't know where he heard it, but uh, we
Speaker 1: were really trying to curb that.
Speaker 2: Our friend she was like, you said the fe I go,
Speaker 2: I know. I was just really excited. And then I
Speaker 2: did it again. She goes, you did it again. I go,
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize this time, because if you do
Speaker 2: it again, you can't play. You'll be put on pause
Speaker 2: for seventy minutes. I went, okay, okay, you got punished.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so funny. That's so funny. Also,
Speaker 1: I just what this was funny to me?
Speaker 3: Maybe so. I was with our friend Jared Goldstein.
Speaker 2: He wanted to watch people on Keto talking about what
Speaker 2: they eat, like for some reason, he likes that.
Speaker 3: But it was so funny. We were laughing so hard.
Speaker 2: It's like someone on a carnivore diet, so they're only
Speaker 2: eating meat. So it's them at a restaurant going I'm
Speaker 2: gonna teach you how to order on the carnivore diet.
Speaker 2: But everywhere she goes, it's just playing hamburger patties, like
Speaker 2: there's no nuance.
Speaker 3: Just and she'll sell them the button.
Speaker 2: She goes, don't bring in the cheeseburger, do the ad
Speaker 2: patty button because it's half the costs and put them
Speaker 2: on the plane.
Speaker 3: And it's like everywhere.
Speaker 2: And then at I Hop she goes, I'm gonna teach
Speaker 2: you how to as a carnivor. At I Hop she goes,
Speaker 2: I'll have a side of bacon, two eggs, and hamburger patties.
Speaker 2: And it's like you taught us how to order bacon
Speaker 2: and eggs at I Hop, Like what is the internet?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Also have a banana. Yeah, your cholesterol
Speaker 3: is gonna go through the roof, sweetheart. And she brings
Speaker 3: extra salt.
Speaker 2: So then she ordered like twenty four chicken wings sauceless,
Speaker 2: and then has a bottle of salt that she pours
Speaker 2: on every single wing and eats it crazy. It was wild,
Speaker 2: but it was just like the uniqueness and that's what
Speaker 2: I feel the inn it. It was just amazing watching
Speaker 2: her go and this is how I order it in
Speaker 2: and out and it's like fourteen patties bunless and then
Speaker 2: One of her advice is, sometimes, I know people get
Speaker 2: really tired on this diet, So a way to incorporate
Speaker 2: other things is put two meats on your plate, so
Speaker 2: then you.
Speaker 3: Can have the different textures.
Speaker 1: People get really tired from filling their body with meat
Speaker 1: and nothing else.
Speaker 3: At another meat.
Speaker 1: I want also to be like, I haven't gone to
Speaker 1: the bathroom in two weeks.
Speaker 3: Let's go to ihop.
Speaker 2: Like listen, I've been a part of many non sustainable
Speaker 2: diets my whole life. I just I never dipped into
Speaker 2: one hundred percent meat, one hundred percent meat.
Speaker 3: Needy baby. Yeah, that's that's why.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The internet has some great stuff and some you know,
Speaker 1: as we all know, it runs the gamma.
Speaker 2: It's just like, then there's this one woman and I
Speaker 2: follow her sometimes I was like, oh, you're gonna like
Speaker 2: her because she buys dairy from the Amish community and
Speaker 2: drinks non pasteurized milk and she's against pasteurization. And all
Speaker 2: these doctors on YouTube have to be.
Speaker 3: Like, please don't do this, don't do this.
Speaker 2: And people will be like, you don't eat an f
Speaker 2: and she'll be like, I had a seven hundred calorie
Speaker 2: coffee because I pour cream in it. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that much. I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. We had a great night
Speaker 2: eating sushi and watching TikTok shorts and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll show you my favorite woman that sits in a
Speaker 2: car and eats lunch. And we were watching it, and
Speaker 2: he's like, this is what's sick. They're all alone, Like
Speaker 2: we're looking at our phones to find fun tips or
Speaker 2: ways to live or how to you know, help your
Speaker 2: relationship or be a better mom or whatever. You're on
Speaker 2: the internet looking at TikTok for Maybe it's just enjoyment,
Speaker 2: but then when you think about it, it's like these people
Speaker 2: are alone. Yeah, they're alone, setting up a camera with
Speaker 2: all these little trinkets, eating lunch in their car, talking
Speaker 2: to nobody. And I'm glad she's making money because and
Speaker 2: she gives me comfort, But like, what is happening?
Speaker 3: I don't know? That's wild.
Speaker 2: No, you need to answer my question, what is happening?
Speaker 2: I don't know why are we watching people? Like what
Speaker 2: is it? I'm part of it, but I don't like it,
Speaker 2: and and it makes me feel strange.
Speaker 1: What is satisfying to you about watching somebody eat lunch
Speaker 1: in their car alone.
Speaker 3: I like her shaking the salad. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know because it also says.
Speaker 1: To me, how you sound like That's why people watch
Speaker 1: the Kardashians because.
Speaker 2: And it's also I feel claustrophobic watching her because she
Speaker 2: brings like a mini table, she'll bring blender things, she'll
Speaker 2: bring little ingredients and mixed stuff and canisters and it's
Speaker 2: just so much. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 2: I want to get off the ride. And I was
Speaker 2: off the ride for a little bit. Yeah, it was impressive.
Speaker 2: It's just like you're talking to a woman. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: if you're thinking about and then I'm like, who even
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 4: Who are you?
Speaker 3: Why am I listening to you?
Speaker 1: Well, because an algorithm told you that you were gonna
Speaker 1: like it, And I feel like the algorithm is creepily
Speaker 1: on the money most.
Speaker 3: Of the time.
Speaker 2: No, because I don't think the algorithm is trying to
Speaker 2: find things that you like. I think they're to me.
Speaker 2: They're trying to find things that are gonna rile me up.
Speaker 2: They want me to leave a comment. They want me
Speaker 2: to leave a comment.
Speaker 1: They know the difference between a scroller and a commenter
Speaker 1: for sure. Interest they know you engage and they give
Speaker 1: me what take and they give you what to engage with.
Speaker 3: Which is husband's not treating women tradwives.
Speaker 1: I've like never left a TikTok comment in my life,
Speaker 1: so they're like, oh, if you had looked at my
Speaker 1: old TikTok, like it would have just been animal videos.
Speaker 1: So they're about like, oh, here, this person just likes
Speaker 1: animal videos because that's like what I was showing rosy
Speaker 1: and little dances once in a while, but like it
Speaker 1: was never giving me anything angering because I was never commenting. Wow,
Speaker 1: they have profiles on all of us. I'm sure no
Speaker 1: right now, right now.
Speaker 2: My keyword that's riling me up is I get a
Speaker 2: lot of podcasts of people being like, you need to
Speaker 2: submit to your man, oh like tradwives stuff. Yeah, trad
Speaker 2: wives and the men that want them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then it's people being like, I want a man
Speaker 2: to lead, but you have to be the leader. I
Speaker 2: will not submit to not a leader, but once I
Speaker 2: feel safe, Oh my god. Okay, it's just the idea
Speaker 2: that stay at home moms feel like they're under attack
Speaker 2: and that like people are against their lifestyle when it's
Speaker 2: truly like, no one cares. I wrote that, and our
Speaker 2: girl goes, have you been living under a rock? And
Speaker 2: it's like, honestly, if anyone cares about stay at home mothers,
Speaker 2: it's me wanting you to have better rights, wanting your
Speaker 2: husband to give you money and the government to pay
Speaker 2: you for taking care of your kids.
Speaker 3: If anything, the feminists that.
Speaker 2: You're against want you to have more protections so you
Speaker 2: can leave if something is dangerous.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, the people who are truly attacking you are the
Speaker 2: people that don't have parental leaves and maternity leaves and
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And they think it's like these single
Speaker 2: women with cats trying to make them go to work,
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, the economy makes people go to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking in nuance, and there's no place for
Speaker 1: that on the internet.
Speaker 3: Though, you know, maybe I needed to hear that. I
Speaker 3: need to write that down. There's no nuance on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: no place for it. Thank you, Kara. That's why I
Speaker 3: look to you to help me to listen.
Speaker 1: We forgot to mention that in Casey's place, we have
Speaker 1: been reunited with our old producers. We're so excited to
Speaker 1: have them back, but they are spiritually waving a flag
Speaker 1: at us right now, and we have to go well.
Speaker 2: Not only waving the flags spiritually, they also were working
Speaker 2: with us when we.
Speaker 3: Were a little more hinged.
Speaker 2: Now it's off the I mean this pile of boxes.
Speaker 3: The interview guys saw it like. I didn't even hide
Speaker 3: those boxes from you. Yeah, you didn't even hide the
Speaker 3: boxes behind you, No, you did, you were turned. It
Speaker 3: was just the iced tea behind you. I remember once
Speaker 3: I noticed because I noticed so Annale's left and we
Speaker 3: were just like good little girls. And then yeah.
Speaker 1: Casey really let this place get get out of control.
Speaker 1: Casey's are really fatty now. But I have harassed both
Speaker 1: of you not wearing pants and standing up.
Speaker 3: So that's good. That's the good.
Speaker 1: You know in front, you're equal across all producers. They
Speaker 1: will all see your underwear at some point.
Speaker 2: I also want to give a friendship shout out to
Speaker 2: Kara before we start. Today is the thirtieth that you
Speaker 2: are listening, which means the moving trucks are in LA
Speaker 2: and putting my stuff away, and Kara has been an
Speaker 2: immense help.
Speaker 3: You haven't even said on the podcast What's Happening?
Speaker 2: No, oh yeah, I'm moving to New York. Today is
Speaker 2: the day, the thirtieth. The truck is here. I am
Speaker 2: going back to what if Kara say, my spiritual homeland.
Speaker 1: Her spiritual homeland, Manhattan, Manhattan. I am going to miss her,
Speaker 1: but I'm thrilled for her because I know she loves
Speaker 1: it there, and we're going to be a bi coastal
Speaker 1: pod and nothing will really change.
Speaker 2: This is so funny to do this announcement after twenty
Speaker 2: five minutes of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like quick announcement at the end. Liza's moving.
Speaker 1: I mean it's we do live three blocks away from
Speaker 1: each other, so it is sad. You know that now
Speaker 1: you will be three thousand miles away from me, and
Speaker 1: you do have a best friend that lives out there.
Speaker 1: But next time we do a show in New York,
Speaker 1: we can sleep in Manhattan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well also my best friend, but also my family lives
Speaker 1: in New York, like my sister.
Speaker 2: I'll be back, But I wouldn't stay with your sister.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, but I'll be back, I mean all the time,
Speaker 1: Like I'll be there probably more.
Speaker 3: But you would get drunk and sleep with me. Yes,
Speaker 3: I will, maybe I can't wait. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: You know, Kara cleaned out my garage that caused me
Speaker 2: anxiety for a while. You really cleaned it all out
Speaker 2: and under an hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you just got a focus and get in there.
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, I forget that. You love adderall
Speaker 1: and maybe I need it.
Speaker 2: But adderall makes my heart beat too fast and I
Speaker 2: don't sleep and I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. I mean I'm prescribed it, so
Speaker 1: it's like it's it works for me. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: my fellow salon receptionist gave it to me one day.
Speaker 1: That's like a doctor. Okay, let's get started. We've got
Speaker 1: a great episode for you guys.
Speaker 2: Just thanks to Kara for helping me get packed up
Speaker 2: on a move she doesn't want me to do.
Speaker 3: So that's a huge friendship. Most you're welcome. You know,
Speaker 3: I'll be.
Speaker 1: I'll help you move back out to LA when you
Speaker 1: get cast in something out here.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, i'll be. I'll be.
Speaker 1: I'll be in Rosie's bunk bed. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: All right, Starting now today, we are doing heightened Emotions.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a pop song. From the eighties and
Speaker 1: it is season eighteen, episode four.
Speaker 3: This baby came out a.
Speaker 1: Two weeks before Donald Trump ruined our lives, and this
Speaker 1: episode starts with one of my most hated activities running.
Speaker 1: We open on a woman running on a treadmill while
Speaker 1: her little kid's like mommy, Mommy, mommy, and she is
Speaker 1: like tuned out, zoned in. She's in like a running trance.
Speaker 1: Her husband comes in and he's like, babe, you've been
Speaker 1: doing this for over an hour, and she's like, one
Speaker 1: more mile and then she ups the speed and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I have never not related to somebody more cut to
Speaker 1: one of s fu's all time most stated characters, Kim Rowlins,
Speaker 1: friend of the pod Lindsay Pulsifer, and she is before
Speaker 1: the parole board pleading her case, saying she just needs
Speaker 1: to get out of jail to meet her one year
Speaker 1: old niece, Jesse, and she's wave a picture of her
Speaker 1: around and she's like, I trust in Jesus and the
Speaker 1: mercy of this parole board to give me a chance
Speaker 1: to be the manipulative criminal aunt that Jesse deserves. So
Speaker 1: we see Amanda in the background watching all this bullshit
Speaker 1: being spun and She's like, mmm, like, you know, doing
Speaker 1: her big sisterly duties. Then we caught to Live in
Speaker 1: Amanda in her office, and Live is just summarizing it
Speaker 1: for us. She's like, okay, so Kim made parole and
Speaker 1: wants to live with you, and Amanda's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean she can't leave the state, so it's either
Speaker 1: my apartment or a shelter, and Live is like Live
Speaker 1: is ruthless. She's like, maybe this shelter would be better,
Speaker 1: and Amanda's like live, shelters are shady. People get assaulted
Speaker 1: and killed in shelters, and she goes plus Kim says
Speaker 1: she found Jesus, and Live goes, well, I hope she did,
Speaker 1: because if you cover for her again, I'll have your badge.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Olivia doesn't have any siblings, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand the loyalty, but if you fuck up again,
Speaker 1: you're fired.
Speaker 2: Well you can be nice, sir, you can go out
Speaker 2: for a lunch, But no, you cannot manipulate the legal system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't cover her crimes.
Speaker 2: You can't find you can't hide evidence in an ongoing investigation.
Speaker 2: You can't you can't go to arrest her at Bryant
Speaker 2: Park and then be like, on, actually, we got into
Speaker 2: a fight, so I decided to let her go.
Speaker 3: You can't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she actually just left it. I didn't chase her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was very pregnant.
Speaker 2: She can't decide what's worse, like Amanda full on gambling
Speaker 2: and moonlighting as a gambling guy girl or.
Speaker 3: Fully covering for her sister. Like, I don't know which
Speaker 3: one is worse.
Speaker 1: I think covering her sister is worse in all ways,
Speaker 1: probably because it's untenable, like you never know what Kim's
Speaker 1: gonna do. Like the gambling is like your own personal problem.
Speaker 1: Plenty of cops are gamblers and addicts of all kinds
Speaker 1: of stripes.
Speaker 2: But remember when she's stole evidence, Remember she put on
Speaker 2: a hat and enter the evidence closet.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, wow, Amanda's really come a long way.
Speaker 3: Deserves some jail time too. Sorry no, but yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, you could see your sister, but stop
Speaker 3: getting manipulated. Let's you know, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: So this episode takes you to seventeen locations in the intro,
Speaker 1: so next scene, we're at an upscale hotel bar with
Speaker 1: a bunch of empty shot glasses lined up, someone's partying.
Speaker 1: The bartender's like six in a row, and we see
Speaker 1: our running babe, played by the actress Britt Morgan, who
Speaker 1: I know from like True Blood, and she's been in.
Speaker 3: Like a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 1: She's out of the sneakers now she's in a hot,
Speaker 1: sparkly dress. She's wasted and ready for that seventh shot.
Speaker 1: And then she makes eye contact with a dude at
Speaker 1: the bar and starts dancing towards him. It's very very like,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like drunk flirting. This actor is
Speaker 1: named Theo Stockman. He is a Broadway dude, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you might be the most gorgeous woman I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: but he looks to me, he looks villainous. And the
Speaker 1: next thing we see are bare feet stepping up onto
Speaker 1: the side of a building and her dress is torn.
Speaker 3: She looks like she might fall. It's the middle of
Speaker 3: the night.
Speaker 1: She gets down from the side of the roof and
Speaker 1: then walks to the other side of the building. She's
Speaker 1: narrating the whole thing like a sportscaster. Then she gets
Speaker 1: a running head start and jumps and you're like, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: don't do this, don't do this. She makes it to
Speaker 1: the next building. She just jumps to the next building,
Speaker 1: which is terrifying. Next thing we see is her sprinting
Speaker 1: on a cobblestone street maybe meatpacking has a little bit
Speaker 1: of cobblestone, and the cop pulls up to be like, girl,
Speaker 1: are you okay? And then she runs straight into another cop.
Speaker 1: And then when she runs into this cop physically, he's
Speaker 1: holding her and she starts hysterically laughing and saying I
Speaker 1: won over and over again, and the camera hits on
Speaker 1: the tear in her dress. There's bruising on her thighs,
Speaker 1: like nothing good happened to this woman. But what's going on?
Speaker 1: So now we're at the credits dun du da da
Speaker 1: da da duh. And now we are at raw this place.
Speaker 1: She's getting ready to leave for work. She can't find
Speaker 1: Kim or Jesse, but then they emerge from the bathroom
Speaker 1: where Kim's like, we were just checking out our reflection.
Speaker 1: She's like, don't worry, Amanda, you can leave me and
Speaker 1: Jesse and Amanda's like yeah, okay, Jan like I don't
Speaker 1: think so, and Kim explains, you know, mistakes happens. It's
Speaker 1: all about how you bounce back, and Amanda's like, save
Speaker 1: the fortune cookie philosophy. I heard enough of your bs
Speaker 1: at the parole hearing. So she like lays down the
Speaker 1: law for Kim. She's like, once grew up and it's
Speaker 1: shelter time, baby, Like you're not no drugs, no men,
Speaker 1: no manipulating, scheming whatever. And that's when Kim's like, we
Speaker 1: can wait for the setter, and Amanda's like, no way,
Speaker 1: no day. And Kim's like, Okay, I'm just gonna have
Speaker 1: to earn mama's trust. The Lord is my shepherd, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And then at the hospital Amanda meets live
Speaker 1: and gets the low down that this runner woman is
Speaker 1: named Jenna Miller. She's a housewife from Long Island. She
Speaker 1: was picked up jumping from roof to roof at three
Speaker 1: point thirty in the morning. She didn't disclose an assault,
Speaker 1: but she's got bite marks, bruising, anal bleeding, which you
Speaker 1: never like to see. And then the saane nurse called
Speaker 1: it in to be safe. So in the room with Jenna,
Speaker 1: she clearly does not want the cops involved. She's like,
Speaker 1: who called the cops? What's going on?
Speaker 3: She says? She doesn't really remember what happened.
Speaker 1: She came into the city for a drink, but she
Speaker 1: wasn't meeting anybody specific. And her husband is like right
Speaker 1: out outside of the room, making a scene like I
Speaker 1: want to see my wife, like the usual nonsense, and
Speaker 1: then the lives like, girl, if you want to spill
Speaker 1: any tea without your husband knowing?
Speaker 2: But what what would you rather have a husband going
Speaker 2: I need to say my wife or a husband that
Speaker 2: doesn't come to the hospital, who's calm, someone that arrives
Speaker 2: goes listen, I'll be over here. I got a I
Speaker 2: got a cosma. I was actually thinking of getting a
Speaker 2: tuna sandwich downstairs. And yeah, tell me, tell.
Speaker 3: Me what's up with my wife whenever when she's done
Speaker 3: with the cops. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me know.
Speaker 2: Now you need you need an aggressive husband who needs
Speaker 2: to see you now yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's we've seen a lot of those on est Fio.
Speaker 1: You know, he's part of the canon of aggressive I
Speaker 1: need to see my wife.
Speaker 2: He's part of the cannon of you know that when
Speaker 2: they're out and about in public, he does this thing
Speaker 2: that I hate that I've talked about, where like you
Speaker 2: grab the back of a woman's shoulder, like not shoulder,
Speaker 2: but like, uh, upper arm, the back of the upper arm,
Speaker 2: and you kind of guide them with your grip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that hearing. That's the vibe I have. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oof. Okay, wow,
Speaker 1: that's so specific. But they're like, girl, this is the time.
Speaker 1: If you want anything to be known without your husband knowing,
Speaker 1: let's cough it up.
Speaker 3: And she's like, I just want to go home.
Speaker 1: And then the husband's making noise and she's like, wait,
Speaker 1: that's my husband. He I just need to explain. He
Speaker 1: runs in. He's like, I've been worried, sick, You've been
Speaker 1: gone all night. And now at this moment, she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I was raped, and she confesses and lives like, okay,
Speaker 1: we got to get the husband out of here. So
Speaker 1: she scoots him out and at that point he's fine
Speaker 1: to go. I don't know why. Now he's fine to
Speaker 1: go for a walk with O Lilvia pens. Oh it
Speaker 1: was a im out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's like, okay, you guys handle this. I'll be outside.
Speaker 1: He tells Olivia he was home that night watching their son,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well. Sometimes she goes into the city
Speaker 1: to unwind and she's under stressed. We have a five
Speaker 1: year old son. And they're like, how's the marriage and
Speaker 1: he's like, no problem. We fight like other people do,
Speaker 1: but we love each other. And they're like, well, what
Speaker 1: about like these city things, like what you didn't like?
Speaker 1: What did you think about that? And she he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a controlling husband. I don't
Speaker 1: really know what she gets up to. When she goes
Speaker 1: into the city. She just says, I'm going to the
Speaker 1: city and I let her live. So back to Rollin's
Speaker 1: talking to Jenna and she tells Rolins about how she
Speaker 1: met this guy Phil. She thinks at a hotel bar
Speaker 1: somewhere downtown. They got a room and he hurt her.
Speaker 1: She goes, I said no and he forced me. So
Speaker 1: now Rollins is walking and talking with Live and she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like she picked up a
Speaker 1: stranger and things got reughered than she wanted. And Olivia
Speaker 1: is like, yes, but girl, the baseline of our job
Speaker 1: is if she didn't want it, that's rape. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like Rollins is like, either way, I think there's
Speaker 1: more to this story than she's not saying.
Speaker 3: They found her at mercer and broom.
Speaker 1: So let's check out hotels around there, and let's work
Speaker 1: around her instead of with her, and she's not being forthcoming.
Speaker 1: Now we're at the Worcester Hotel Carisium Fenner talking to
Speaker 1: the bartender who was serving Jenna all those shots. He
Speaker 1: calls her Barbie, but he's like, I'm guessing that's not
Speaker 1: her real name. And she comes in a couple times
Speaker 1: a month and he's never seen her pay for a drink,
Speaker 1: and that last night, some rich douchebag paid for her drinks,
Speaker 1: and let's get the receipts, as Whitney would say. And
Speaker 1: now we're at the office of Michael Wheeler, the guy
Speaker 1: who picked her up. So it's not Phil, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a fake name for him. And he's got he's
Speaker 1: got really creepy vibes to me and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's saying I raped her. Not surprised. She was the
Speaker 1: biggest pain in the ass hooker I ever met. And
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, I want to you tell us what happened.
Speaker 1: And he's like, she came on to me, I got
Speaker 1: a room, I laid out five hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: We go at it. Then she starts crying because I'm
Speaker 3: being too rough, like he's mocking her, like the way
Speaker 3: he's telling the story.
Speaker 2: I know it's like really bad, but I am so
Speaker 2: attracted to him.
Speaker 3: I know he is so fucking hot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, criminal, yeah, like, I'm sure they picked him
Speaker 1: because he can play creepy. I'm sure he's a lovely
Speaker 1: man that has like, you know, a small dog or something.
Speaker 2: And he says, no, oh, yeah, I found I found
Speaker 2: a photo of him with like like a chunky side
Speaker 2: bang with a little hat that h Taylor Swift wears
Speaker 2: in the I'm Feeling twenty two video.
Speaker 3: What are those called fedoras?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I would I would know what a is? So how Dario? Well, No,
Speaker 3: I I don't know what what's the tailic go? I
Speaker 3: don't know. You gotta look it up.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm offended that you don't think I know
Speaker 2: what a fedora is, but I don't know what this
Speaker 2: hat is called.
Speaker 1: I know you know what a fedora is, but to me,
Speaker 1: that's a fedora what she's wearing.
Speaker 3: No, it's a different kind of situation. Pork pie hat. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I think is that what it's called? Yes? Oh oh yes,
Speaker 3: that's exactly it.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I just thought maybe you were forgetting the word for Dora.
Speaker 1: I know, you know what a.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: We've been haunted by too many Fedoras in our lives.
Speaker 1: But this guy has been in like American Idiot other shit.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if the Fedora and the chunky bang
Speaker 1: was part of like a part he was playing or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, Leah Michelle's ex boyfriend. Oh, I didn't know
Speaker 2: that I din at the World Premiere. He wore the
Speaker 2: hat at the World Premiere. Stop defending him with his hat.
Speaker 3: Wow. He broke it off because she can't read anyway.
Speaker 1: This guy is being a dick, and he's like, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm paying for, to be able to do whatever
Speaker 1: I fucking want. And she's like, did she forget to
Speaker 1: mention that I was paying? And Rollins and Benson now
Speaker 1: are at the house in Long Island. Jenna comes to
Speaker 1: the door kind of wild eyed, being like it's not
Speaker 1: a good time, and then they're like, well, we found
Speaker 1: Phil and he says you're a sex worker, So what's up, girl,
Speaker 1: And she explains that listen, a year ago, I went
Speaker 1: to a bar alone, a guy hit on me. They
Speaker 1: hooked up afterwards, he left two hundred dollars on the
Speaker 1: dresser and she was shocked, but then she was thrilled.
Speaker 3: She got hooked.
Speaker 1: No pun intended, but she does say that she got hooked,
Speaker 1: and she says she does it once in a while,
Speaker 1: like goes into the city and like you know, sees
Speaker 1: who she can pick up. And then but she was
Speaker 1: like this guy raped me.
Speaker 3: She says. She's like, I didn't take the money. I
Speaker 3: ran out of there.
Speaker 1: The husband comes to the door and then everybody shuts
Speaker 1: up about it, and then she tries to get him
Speaker 1: to scram and he's like, Bibe, we got to tell
Speaker 1: him the big secret. And it's like they're gonna find out.
Speaker 1: And it's like, what the hell is the secret? And
Speaker 1: the secret is done?
Speaker 3: Done.
Speaker 1: She's an Olympic level pole vaulter. Like it's the wildest twists.
Speaker 1: Like I nobody googled her. They were just like she's
Speaker 1: a housewife from Long Island, but she's this massive athlete.
Speaker 3: But also, Kara mention one pole vaulter's name.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying too. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: not like she's a gymnast or an ice skater. Come on, like,
Speaker 1: we don't.
Speaker 2: Know even a sand volleyball, you know, or even track
Speaker 2: and field. If it's in the track and field realm
Speaker 2: of like pole vaulting, it's usually the runners, you know,
Speaker 2: like the sprinters, Like we can't you know, you know
Speaker 2: who Shakari Jackson is or whatever, like there's some people,
Speaker 2: but what I have known who Shakari Jackson was if
Speaker 2: she didn't have like fun, like a fun vibe and
Speaker 2: love wed I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, I don't know, but yeah, like it is
Speaker 1: really funny that they chose pole vaulting instead of another
Speaker 1: like sport.
Speaker 2: But you know, there was actually there was one high
Speaker 2: jumper during some sort of Olympics that I remember did
Speaker 2: get super famous because she was on Jay Leno. Yes,
Speaker 2: I watched this Tonight's show Get Over and Everybody. But
Speaker 2: maybe it was Letterman. I think it was Leno. But
Speaker 2: she loved Krispy Kremes. Those were like her cheat thing,
Speaker 2: and it was when Krispy Kremes were huge, and so
Speaker 2: they made her high jump over a bunch of boxes
Speaker 2: of Krispy Kremes and then afterwards she like ate one
Speaker 2: of the Krispy Kreams. But I still don't remember her name,
Speaker 2: but I remember the donut. So even with her success,
Speaker 2: I just remember I don't remember what she won, but
Speaker 2: I do remember she jumped over a box of boxes
Speaker 2: of Krispy Kremes.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's really funny. Well listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: no shade to pull vaulting. I'm sure it's extremely difficult.
Speaker 1: I mean, my roommate in college was a triple jumper.
Speaker 1: We were not thinking it's easy. Yeah, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know what triple jumping was, but it was just like,
Speaker 1: she can jump far, Like I don't know, people do
Speaker 1: all kinds of wild and field sports. But she's an
Speaker 1: Olympic level poll vulter. She's the world record holder. And
Speaker 1: she's like, this is tabloid news, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know about that.
Speaker 3: And she says she didn't.
Speaker 1: Make the Rio Olympics on a technicality, but she's the
Speaker 1: front runner for gold in Tokyo. So they go back
Speaker 1: into the house and there's tons of promotional material with
Speaker 1: Jenna on her holding her poll.
Speaker 3: It's like very Gatorade, very Nike.
Speaker 1: And again I did write in my notes, I don't
Speaker 1: know if any of us can name a mega famous
Speaker 1: pole vaulter. But that's the reality that we're in right now,
Speaker 1: and she's like, if this story gets out, I lose everything.
Speaker 3: So top of that too, we're at the precinct and.
Speaker 1: We're all watching the footage of Jenna's big fuck up
Speaker 1: where she got disqualified from the US team, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know something when she jumped over the pole vaulting
Speaker 1: bar or something lodged the bar, so she gets disqualified
Speaker 1: on a technicality. Her husband's there on the video. They
Speaker 1: look distraught, so they're explaining the whole situation to Barba.
Speaker 1: She's scared of her secret coming out and they can't
Speaker 1: make the case without the victim. But this Michael guy
Speaker 1: didn't skip a beat when the cop showed up. He's
Speaker 1: probably a frequent flyer with sex workers, like we got
Speaker 1: to go check out like other people that may have
Speaker 1: been his victims. So now it's Carreese and Rollins chatting
Speaker 1: and it's like, turns out this guy Wheeler, Michael Wheeler,
Speaker 1: is the bad guy. It turns out he's a millionaire.
Speaker 1: He spends thirty thousand dollars a month just on drinks, meals,
Speaker 1: and miscellaneous entertainment, which is code to your accountant for
Speaker 1: escorts and strip clubs. According to them, and Rollin's as
Speaker 1: usual as judging the victim and is like, why throw
Speaker 1: everything away?
Speaker 3: You've got a husband and a child. It's like, girl,
Speaker 3: greasy goes.
Speaker 1: We don't get the pressure of competing at that level, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, why throw everything away and be a gambling addict?
Speaker 1: You had an okay life, you know, like, and Amanda's
Speaker 1: like whatever, we all have pressure and just then little
Speaker 1: sis Kim shows up at.
Speaker 3: Work and you failed. That's the thing with Kim.
Speaker 2: It's like she has no patience for anybody because she
Speaker 2: has had it worse or whatever in her hat or
Speaker 2: she's had it hard too, but she's fucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she wasn't chill with pressure. She succumbs to it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? I like hate her right now. I
Speaker 2: feel like this is part so like this is season eighteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's been on for five seasons. She's still kind of
Speaker 2: heavy and some blaming victims. She doesn't do that as
Speaker 2: much in like the more recent seasons. But so anyway,
Speaker 2: Kim shows up at the precinct, which is always a
Speaker 2: no no, and she's like, I was just in the
Speaker 2: neighborhood and I wanted to stop by.
Speaker 3: I had my first meeting with.
Speaker 1: My PO, and she's like excitedly telling her and cares
Speaker 1: about all these big plans that she talked about with
Speaker 1: her PO, like going back to school, getting a job.
Speaker 3: Amanda interrupts her and is like, you.
Speaker 1: Can't just drop by the precinct like this, You got
Speaker 1: to go home, and then she leaves and Cariese's like, well,
Speaker 1: it does seem like she's trying, and Amanda's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the calm before the storm. I can't have her
Speaker 1: blow out my life again. And then meanwhile, Finn found
Speaker 1: some sex workers who are familiar with the work of
Speaker 1: Michael Wheeler. So the first girl they talked to seems
Speaker 1: like a very high on sex worker. She's ad some
Speaker 1: sort of outdoor rooftop establishment and she's like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: guy calls himself Phil. My booker caught him off. He
Speaker 1: thought since he was paying, he could do whatever he wanted.
Speaker 1: He was really rough, hitting, slapping. The more you say no,
Speaker 1: the more he likes it. She says she didn't call
Speaker 1: the cops because there's no such thing as rape in
Speaker 1: her line of work, and Rollins is now talking to
Speaker 1: another woman with pink hair, who says this guy paid
Speaker 1: for straight sex, but then just did whatever he wanted.
Speaker 1: She said she was bleeding for days, which is a horrible,
Speaker 1: horrible detail, but you know, to communicate the violence that
Speaker 1: she experienced.
Speaker 3: Then she asked this guy.
Speaker 1: She basically extorted this guy for five thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: he paid up and she said, I'll testify though I
Speaker 1: hate that guy. So there are a dozen sex workers
Speaker 1: it turns out, who say Phil Aka Wheeler assaulted them
Speaker 1: in the middle of you know, the transaction, and not
Speaker 1: one of them called the cops or did a rape kit.
Speaker 1: And the only one willing to testify is Pink Hair,
Speaker 1: and she got paid off, so it's not looking good.
Speaker 1: This guy targets sex workers because he knows he can
Speaker 1: get away with it. So let's try to convince Jenna
Speaker 1: to do a controlled meet with them. This is Liv's idea.
Speaker 1: So he talked Jenna and she's like, I don't want
Speaker 1: this to go to trial. My husband will find out,
Speaker 1: and but I also know that this guy is a
Speaker 1: bully and he's hurt other women, and I want to
Speaker 1: do the right thing. So they're like, what about this
Speaker 1: controlled meeting and you wear a wire while you meet
Speaker 1: up with him and we'll see if we can get
Speaker 1: him to confess. And then she's like, okay, let's do
Speaker 1: it right now. So she's literally in the same outfit.
Speaker 1: It's the same day. It feels like they set it up.
Speaker 1: An hour later, at a hotel bar, Phil walks in
Speaker 1: to meet her and he's like, okay, how much give
Speaker 1: me a number, and he's like, you call the cops
Speaker 1: on me, So this is obviously a shakedown. Cariese, Rollins,
Speaker 1: and Vann are all in a van watching listening to
Speaker 1: this encounter. She's like, I don't want the money. I
Speaker 1: just want an apology for what you did to me.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, so if I apologize, that's it,
Speaker 1: and then she just starts going, just say it, just
Speaker 1: say what you did.
Speaker 3: Just say it.
Speaker 1: Like she kind of takes it, like, you know, escalates
Speaker 1: it very quickly. Suddenly the husband shows up at the bar.
Speaker 1: It's chaos. The cops move in. Michael Wheeler guy tells
Speaker 1: Jenna's how been your wife's a hooker. Then as the
Speaker 1: cops are busting in, Wheeler calls Jenna a crazy bitch,
Speaker 1: and the husband's like, you're the rapist, and Wheeler's like,
Speaker 1: you can't rape a whore, and that's when the husband
Speaker 1: punches him.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter that.
Speaker 1: He called her a hooker, calling her a whore, that
Speaker 1: took it to another level.
Speaker 3: Punches him in the face. It's peak s buchaos.
Speaker 1: Jenna tries to swing on the guy, but Rollins grabs her,
Speaker 1: and Jenna's like, cool, Google, my whole life just went
Speaker 1: up in flames, and she looks extremely stressed. Now Rollins
Speaker 1: has Jenna in some kind of hotel hallway, making sure
Speaker 1: that she feels safe going home with her husband because
Speaker 1: he's so mad, and Jenna's like, he's gonna leave me,
Speaker 1: but She's like, he would never hurt me, Like I
Speaker 1: feel safe going home with him. So if this goes
Speaker 1: to trial, this all goes public, Jenna realizes. So she's,
Speaker 1: you know, having a real stress attack about this, and
Speaker 1: Rollins tells her, you know, most mainstream media won't publish
Speaker 1: the victim's name, but there are no guarantees, and especially
Speaker 1: with high profile people, like names have gotten out for sure.
Speaker 1: So Jenna knows that he's gonna hurt other women. She
Speaker 1: wants to do the right thing, but she can't rest
Speaker 1: the publicity. She's got to talking over with her husband
Speaker 1: who's I'm just finding out his name is Chad and
Speaker 1: that Tokyo twenty twenty is Chad's dream as much as
Speaker 1: it is hers. And so now outside the couple is
Speaker 1: talking to the squad and Chad is like, it's not
Speaker 1: worth it for Jenna to testify. It can't change what happened,
Speaker 1: and Cariese's like, well, a crime was committed, so this
Speaker 1: isn't entirely up to you, and Chad's like, easy for
Speaker 1: you to say you're not married to her. You didn't
Speaker 1: dedicate your whole life to her, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: kind of on you, dude, Like all like all you
Speaker 1: do is coach your wife and if something goes wrong,
Speaker 1: that's that doesn't seem like a great recipe for a
Speaker 1: great marriage. But they walk off and Live in caris
Speaker 1: you're chatting and he's like, ooh, that was rough finding
Speaker 1: out your wife is a prostitute, and Live says every
Speaker 1: relationship has secrets, creasy, and he goes, that's why I'm
Speaker 1: happy I'm single, and I'm like, lol, you're like a
Speaker 1: married father of three. In ten minutes, bro, like, chill out,
Speaker 1: and then he's like he figures, now's a good time
Speaker 1: to pro Bolivia about her personal life, and he goes,
Speaker 1: everything cool with you and Tucker and Olivia kind of
Speaker 1: takes a deep breath, and that's exactly when Rollin's in.
Speaker 3: Finnroll up with a lead.
Speaker 1: They figured out a way to make a case without Jenna,
Speaker 1: so they checked Jenna's phone records and they realized that
Speaker 1: the night of the attack, she called her sports agent
Speaker 1: Derek Koller. He's one of the big reps, like he
Speaker 1: wraps all these mets, all these nicks, and they talked
Speaker 1: for seventeen minutes, which is definitely enough time to disclose
Speaker 1: a rape. So now we are at Jerry Maguire's office
Speaker 1: and he is like typical Ari Gold type wannabe, like
Speaker 1: looks very slick, and he's like playing dumb and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jenna called me. She was drunk. And then they're like, okay, dude,
Speaker 1: we're investigating a rape allegation. And he's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she did tell me she was raped, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I thought she was irrational and hysterical.
Speaker 3: I didn't think she meant it.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, but if she was, if she just
Speaker 2: came in matter of fact, he'd be like, she seemed
Speaker 2: too calm. I didn't think it was a rape. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Don't they all think it's like a crazy stranger an
Speaker 2: attacked from a bush. So if that's real, wouldn't she
Speaker 2: be yeah stressed? Like I don't understand that answer anyway,
Speaker 2: but okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, Jenna's worried about losing endorsements and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and he goes, she's right to be worried,
Speaker 1: like she will lose it. I mean, she's a gifted athlete,
Speaker 1: she's sweet, she's gorgeous. With the near miss with the
Speaker 1: Rio team, everybody's on her side. She's got the public sympathy,
Speaker 1: and now like she's like she's truly looking at standing
Speaker 1: to earn like millions and millions of dollars. And they're like,
Speaker 1: and you just want her ten percent, right, And he's like, no,
Speaker 1: of course, I'm outraged that she was attacked. But he
Speaker 1: also tries to see if they can postpone the trial
Speaker 1: till after Tokyo, and Finn's like, dude, this.
Speaker 3: Isn't jury duty. It doesn't work like that. You can't
Speaker 3: just like push it off for four years.
Speaker 1: Now we've got Jenna talking to Barba, and she's like,
Speaker 1: Derek agreed to testify, Like she can't believe that because
Speaker 1: like his whole thing is like.
Speaker 3: Protecting his investment.
Speaker 1: And she's like, and he's the one that told me
Speaker 1: to just go home and keep my mouth shut. So
Speaker 1: they're surprised, and then just at that moment, Jenna's phone buzzes,
Speaker 1: and what do you know, Jerry Maguire has dumbed her ass,
Speaker 1: and he's like, he basically says something along the line's left.
Speaker 1: I want you to get help, but you're per psonal
Speaker 1: life is incompatible with our firm's values. And it's like
Speaker 1: you can just imagine the number of rapists that this
Speaker 1: guy actually represents, you know, like, but.
Speaker 2: Well, but that's part of their image. They will represent
Speaker 2: athlete rapists. They just don't want rape victims. Do not
Speaker 2: see the difference, Yes, well, yes, exactly. But I think
Speaker 2: what he's talking about is her prostitution. Is what he's
Speaker 2: acting like is the problem.
Speaker 1: You know, sex is an issue because you know when
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know anybody can spend this says
Speaker 1: like this is just a kink that she likes to
Speaker 1: hook up with strangers.
Speaker 3: She's not making a living doing this.
Speaker 2: But also the super Bowl is the number one event
Speaker 2: in the US the highest rate of human trafficking.
Speaker 3: And right like sex workers and shit like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, Oh whatever, So this guy's a fucking hypocrite.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll help you, just kidding, get out of
Speaker 1: my life. Do you know that it is very well
Speaker 1: known that in the Middle East, like all of these
Speaker 1: super super rich billionaires and princes and just like you know,
Speaker 1: bad people that made up there, they hire sex workers.
Speaker 2: And then they shit in their mouths. What it's called
Speaker 2: the Blessers. Well, my South African friends said, the joke
Speaker 2: was like that they're the Blessers. But yeah, they're like
Speaker 2: really twisted billionaires and like really hot women from the
Speaker 2: US or wherever wherever.
Speaker 3: If they want, they can fly out.
Speaker 2: It's you do, get like sixty one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: whatever and that, but you will have to fuck a
Speaker 2: dog or like get shit on or shit in someone's mind.
Speaker 3: God, that's like just about humiliation, right.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it's like a repressed culture to begin with.
Speaker 2: But I don't know why you have to jump straight
Speaker 2: to that, but they're just evil people. So for entertainment
Speaker 2: or like, yeah, the control of it all. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars doesn't mean anything to them. It's
Speaker 2: just like a whole situation I knew nothing about until
Speaker 2: this past. Like here, I would say, wow, Sid mentioned
Speaker 2: it and uh when we were all hanging out, so yeah,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't I didn't hear that. You
Speaker 2: get flown out and you get shit in and then
Speaker 2: you leave with a suitcase of cash.
Speaker 3: Fuck.
Speaker 2: But it's like I don't get the shit part either,
Speaker 2: Like I don't get why you can't just have sex
Speaker 2: nor more. Yeah, sex worker, that's pretty but okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like play role playing, do all kinds of
Speaker 1: crazy sex stuff, a sex swing, let's do toys, but like,
Speaker 1: fucking yeah, I don't get that.
Speaker 2: But well, because my thing is is it even a kink,
Speaker 2: Like is it a kink for them where they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're rich enough that we can pay people to do
Speaker 2: this fucked up shit or they're not even kinked by it.
Speaker 2: They're just like ah, they're like Leonardo DiCaprio and Django.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes, yes, great to know. Thank you
Speaker 1: for telling me about the blessings. Uh So basically, this
Speaker 1: woman's life is unraveling in front of our eyes. Her career,
Speaker 1: her endorsements are over. She's like, now I'm a tabloid
Speaker 1: headline the pole vault hooker, which I'm sure that the
Speaker 1: New York Post or the New York Ledger that they
Speaker 1: call it in the show would come up with a
Speaker 1: more like piffy, disgusting headline than the pole vault hooker.
Speaker 1: But she's like, there's no coming back from something like this,
Speaker 1: and so does this woman is hitting rock bottom Live
Speaker 1: is like, yes, but you can get justice for your
Speaker 1: assault by testifying.
Speaker 3: Guest Wheeler.
Speaker 2: Wait, I looked up bless her and it's what I said.
Speaker 2: I'm like, really, it's a.
Speaker 3: Oh that's like a full term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's slang, but it's one who blesses or one
Speaker 2: who bestows obviously, But in South Africa the slang is
Speaker 2: a rich man who offers support, typically financial material, to
Speaker 2: a younger female companion in exchange for sex, friendship, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's interesting that in French bless a
Speaker 1: which a spell blesser is to hurt is the verb
Speaker 1: is to hurt whoa Yeah? Interesting, twisted, twisted entomology. Baby,
Speaker 1: I do love Olivia because like honestly like Olivia making
Speaker 1: her do the controlled meeting and stuff or like or
Speaker 1: you know, offering having the idea of the control meeting.
Speaker 1: That is kind of what blew everything up. And now
Speaker 1: this woman's whole career is like fucked. And they're like, yes,
Speaker 1: but we need to get you on that witness stand.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you just see Olivia like stopping at nothing
Speaker 1: to get people on the stand, and you're like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I bet she would have still liked to have gone
Speaker 1: to the Olympics. Athletes work their entire lives for these
Speaker 1: kind of things.
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: I keep googling about the blessers, but the scat, porn
Speaker 2: and suicide inside the lives of sleigh queens in Dubai.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I'm obviously know when I'm doing the rest
Speaker 3: of the night.
Speaker 2: Most celebrities are paid forty K to eat poop in Dubai.
Speaker 2: Nigerian girl caught allegedly eating shit for money in Dubai.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm not going to Dubai. And then it
Speaker 2: says Andrew Schultz Dubai, Oh my god, because you're talking
Speaker 2: about the same thing.
Speaker 3: I guess we have a lot in comment. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: Malawi Malawi sligh queens that end up eating shit of
Speaker 3: men in Dubai. I must be tamed. We have to stop.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can stomach this any longer.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole well if you don't understand it,
Speaker 2: there's an article why Instagram influencers are letting wealthy men
Speaker 2: poop so in their mouths Oh, ten habits, and then
Speaker 2: the next thing says, ten habits that will get you
Speaker 2: ahead of ninety nine percent.
Speaker 3: Of people, improve your life.
Speaker 1: They're basically giving you Google search results, Like if you're
Speaker 1: considering being a person that gets blessed, they're like, here's
Speaker 1: some other ways, all right, So she agrees to testify.
Speaker 1: She wants this guy to suffer like she's suffering. So
Speaker 1: now we're outside of the courthouse. It's a new day,
Speaker 1: and these reporters, these local New York reporters.
Speaker 3: Are making their money, honey.
Speaker 1: They're delivering these wild storylines like Wall Street financier Michael
Speaker 1: Wheeler goes on trial today accused of raping world class
Speaker 1: poll of alter Jenna Miller. And then they're like Miller
Speaker 1: was the future face of tm USA until the rape
Speaker 1: investigation uncovered her secret life of prostitution, like it would
Speaker 1: be wild headlines the whole of alter or No. Jenna
Speaker 1: shows up and the press starts to hound her, but
Speaker 1: they're like, she's not taking questions at the moment. And
Speaker 1: then this reporter goes, is it true you were paid
Speaker 1: for rough sex? Which seems like a wild question from
Speaker 1: a journalist in a rape case, like to ask a
Speaker 1: person like is that true that that's like what your
Speaker 1: specialty was?
Speaker 2: Like, that seems so crazy. They might be from page six. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're from the post. They're from the Ledger.
Speaker 1: And Barbara is like, okay, actually I will answer that one.
Speaker 1: And he says an iconic put it on a T
Speaker 1: shirt line. He goes, paid or not paid? No means
Speaker 1: no consent can be revoked at any time, and it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: let's get coffee mugs for every teen boy so that
Speaker 1: they know. And Jenna's like, the press used to love me, hypocrites.
Speaker 1: So on the stand, Olivia is testifying to Jenna's condition
Speaker 1: when she got to the hospital, and then Wheeler's lawyer
Speaker 1: gets up there and he's trying to paint Jenna as
Speaker 1: a liar, saying that her injuries could have been consistent
Speaker 1: with a sex worker having rough sex, and Live is like,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, no, And this scumbag lawyer is like,
Speaker 1: but you're a police officer and not a doctor, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like, how fucking dare you. She's like, I've
Speaker 1: been an SVU detective for seventeen years and he goes,
Speaker 1: so you're qualified to investigate rape cases, not evaluate medical injuries,
Speaker 1: and Live has this look as the camera like backs
Speaker 1: away from her. That's like, well, fuck my drag, right, Like,
Speaker 1: she has that look on her face and it's very
Speaker 1: you know, funny. And then next up, Jenna's on the
Speaker 1: stand and she's like, I wasn't exactly soliciting sex. I
Speaker 1: was at a bar having a few drinks. The defendant
Speaker 1: started flirting with me. It felt good. I like when
Speaker 1: men notice me. I'm very used to being an athlete
Speaker 1: and it's nice to be noticed as a woman Like
Speaker 1: I like the attention. And she's like, but I never
Speaker 1: told him he had to pay. He assumed that was
Speaker 1: the deal, and I kind of went along with it.
Speaker 1: So when they got a room they started having sex.
Speaker 1: He started getting rough, hitting her. She said no, she
Speaker 1: said to stop, and that made him even more aggressive.
Speaker 1: He started to do other things, like she specifically told
Speaker 1: him she didn't want to have any anal intercourse, and
Speaker 1: he started laughing and did it anyway, And when he
Speaker 1: was done, he threw money at her. She didn't take it.
Speaker 1: She was her and bleeding and she ran out. So
Speaker 1: she goes, I'm ashamed about what I did, but I'm
Speaker 1: not ashamed that I was raped. I want everyone to
Speaker 1: hear my story so that this fuck can't hurt anyone anymore.
Speaker 1: So the camera pans to him, and he is, of course,
Speaker 1: like so smug and gross, but you know he is
Speaker 1: Lisa's crush, so I will give him some respect. Wheeler's
Speaker 1: lawyer now tries to spin it that this is an
Speaker 1: elaborate publicity stunt, and it's like, I'm sorry that It's
Speaker 1: like they do.
Speaker 3: This all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where they're like this rape allegation is for attention,
Speaker 1: Like what woman would want this to be their narrative
Speaker 1: and to be a way to get cred or anything.
Speaker 3: It's so insane.
Speaker 1: So this guy says, once Wheeler outed you as a
Speaker 1: sex worker, you made up the rape accusation, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want this kind of publicity. And they're like,
Speaker 1: he's like, well, everyone's talking about you, looking at your body.
Speaker 1: You said you like the attention. I mean, this lawyer
Speaker 1: is trash. He starts to really antagonize her about not
Speaker 1: making the team, how she'll be gasped thirty when Tokyo
Speaker 1: comes around and I didn't realize she was supposed to
Speaker 1: be twenty six right now. But he's like needling her
Speaker 1: about the Olympic committee rejecting her for her indiscretions. And
Speaker 1: then he's saying, your body's never going to look as
Speaker 1: good as it does right now, Barbara edjecs and Jenna's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want to answer my body's going to look great
Speaker 1: in four years, better because I work harder than you
Speaker 1: can even imagine. And the lawyer is like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: my client rejected you. He wasn't impressed and he said
Speaker 1: you were too muscular, too masculine. It's disgusting this like
Speaker 1: way he's spinning this. Jenna starts to fully unravel. She's like,
Speaker 1: he loved my body. Everyone loves my body. I am
Speaker 1: five nine, one hundred and twelve pounds. I can bench
Speaker 1: one fifty I squat two twenty five. She starts taking
Speaker 1: her shirt off to show everyone how snatch she is.
Speaker 1: That is a courtroom first here at SVU. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen people stand up with erections. We've seen people
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. You know, recently there was
Speaker 1: a case in real life where a guy dove over
Speaker 1: into the to the bench of the judge and that
Speaker 1: was wild. He just was back in court this week
Speaker 1: with like a full muzzle mask on, like they hannibal.
Speaker 3: Lectured him so he wouldn't do something again. Well, it's pretty.
Speaker 2: Funny because I obviously read the comments to rap me up.
Speaker 2: And people were like, but she shouldn't have spoken that rudely,
Speaker 2: like the mental gymnastic people do, like, yeah, did he
Speaker 2: not just prove he doesn't deserve bail? They're like, she should,
Speaker 2: She should have said it nicer. She didn't have to
Speaker 2: be so rude. She didn't have to do that. She
Speaker 2: could have explained it to him. She could have given
Speaker 2: him a shot like comment after a comment, and it's
Speaker 2: like you don't want him cage dutt. He leaped in
Speaker 2: the air, He defied physics.
Speaker 3: Gravity, He was Alpha ba. He flew in her face
Speaker 3: it was wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets Hannibal Lecter just to make sure no
Speaker 2: one else wants to pull that fucking shit, and he's
Speaker 2: gonna get more jailt out.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: But this happened during Larry Nasser, the gymnastics rapist. People
Speaker 2: were saying that the female judge was too mean to
Speaker 2: him and was too rude and said too mean of
Speaker 2: stuff to him. It's so fucked She didn't have to
Speaker 2: be so rude. All he did was rape dozens of
Speaker 2: children who were in his care over the course of decades. Like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Oh my god, who are you allowed
Speaker 2: to be mean too these fucking people? I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what that's You're glad to be a woman, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's because she's a woman judge. They wouldn't have
Speaker 1: said that about a male judge being like sir. How
Speaker 1: many male judges readings have we heard where they're like,
Speaker 1: you are the scum of the earth, you are despicable.
Speaker 1: I'm locking you away in a cage so you can
Speaker 1: never come out again. No one's ever like he should
Speaker 1: have been nicer, you know, he probably should have smiled
Speaker 1: when he said it. So anyway, this is wild, though,
Speaker 1: This scene is crazy. This woman's taking off her shirt.
Speaker 1: She's like, look how hot I am. Barbara takes off
Speaker 1: his jacket immediately goes to cover her up. He's begging
Speaker 1: the judge for a recess and she's insisting my body
Speaker 1: is perfect. I'm perfect, I'm perfect. So it's there's some
Speaker 1: issues going on here. So now it's nighttime. We're at
Speaker 1: a track where Chad is training Jenna. He's just screaming
Speaker 1: orders at a rape victim in the aftermath of a
Speaker 1: traumatic day in court, which is totally normal and healthy.
Speaker 3: He's like, high your knees, faster, faster.
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe you guys take like a day or
Speaker 1: two off training, Like it's he the husband's not a
Speaker 1: good guy here.
Speaker 3: No days off, Karen, no days off?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, really, Rollin's and Caresy walk up and this
Speaker 1: is an unauthorized mission, Like they haven't told liv that
Speaker 1: they're going there to talk to Jenna, Like it's they're
Speaker 1: kind of off the grid here, and Chad's like, get
Speaker 1: out of here. We've had enough with the police and
Speaker 1: the DAS. And Jenna's like I'm fine, I'm out here.
Speaker 1: I'm energized. I could go all night and she is
Speaker 1: clearly manic, and Rollins is like, have you ever talked
Speaker 1: to a psychiatrist about your behavior?
Speaker 3: And the husband is like, get out of here.
Speaker 1: She needs to train and focus, and he starts laying
Speaker 1: it on thick to Jenna, like making it all about him,
Speaker 1: like do you know how hard it has been for
Speaker 1: me to deal with your behavior, your mood swings, your
Speaker 1: wild nights in the city. And then Jenna starts laughing
Speaker 1: maniacally and Chad is like, obviously, I know she has
Speaker 1: a mental health issue, but I know she can still
Speaker 1: win gold, and he calls it protecting her. But this
Speaker 1: man is exploiting and using her, just like probably a
Speaker 1: million people have already.
Speaker 3: Jenna realizes in this moment.
Speaker 1: She goes, oh, you guys all think I'm crazy, but
Speaker 1: like her eyes are bulging and she is wildly swinging
Speaker 1: from laughing to being upset, so something is not good.
Speaker 1: And Curtesy's like, no, you have a mental illness, and
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, you just need.
Speaker 3: To go talk to a doctor.
Speaker 1: Chad glares at them as if it's like the CoP's
Speaker 1: fault that she has an untreated mental illness that he's
Speaker 1: ignoring as well. So now we're back in court. We've
Speaker 1: got a lovely psychiatrist on the stand. I really like
Speaker 1: her tone. She seems very professional, and she's testifying that
Speaker 1: Jenna suffers from bipolar disorder, a medical condition caused by
Speaker 1: a neurochemical imbalance. It's a lifelong and curable illness that
Speaker 1: can be controlled with medication, and it you know, symptoms
Speaker 1: include moodswing's, mannic phases, depressed phases, and.
Speaker 3: That she's a professional athlete.
Speaker 1: Her culture is competition, victory, winning at all costs. So
Speaker 1: Barba says she might try to say, win an argument
Speaker 1: with a defense attorney and the doctor says, yeah, she
Speaker 1: was experiencing mania. She wouldn't take no for an answer.
Speaker 1: She might even take her shirt off to prove that
Speaker 1: her body is beautiful. You know, Barbara's trying to cover
Speaker 1: up what the jury has seen in the last day
Speaker 1: of testimony. And so now the defense attorney spins it that, Oh,
Speaker 1: but isn't it also possible that if she's that competitive
Speaker 1: and the and manic, that she would distort the truth
Speaker 1: in one of her manic phases to support winning at
Speaker 1: all costs. Couldn't somebody even invent a rape charge after
Speaker 1: feeling rejected, and she's like, it's possible, but it's not likely.
Speaker 1: It's more likely that, you know, people with this condition
Speaker 1: would justify a non consensual sex as consensual to make
Speaker 1: themselves better, more potent, and powerful. So it's more likely
Speaker 1: that she would have been the attacker in a situation
Speaker 1: I guess is what this woman is saying. And the judge,
Speaker 1: who is Amy Brabston, who is the late Great Andre
Speaker 1: Brower's wife, she allows for Jenna to testify fully medicated
Speaker 1: the next day because Barba, like the asshole's lawyer, tries
Speaker 1: to argue, we've already heard from her, and Barba's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but now she's on medication and she's lucid, and like,
Speaker 1: let's get her back on and so in the next scene,
Speaker 1: Barba tells everybody that Wheeler's lawyer actually got nervous about
Speaker 1: hearing from Jenna again on the stand, and so he
Speaker 1: wants to plead out.
Speaker 3: They're going to go for assault.
Speaker 1: Too, which is no registry, but it is a defelony
Speaker 1: and he'll get two to five years in jail.
Speaker 2: I don't know, would I rather jail time or would
Speaker 2: I've rather the person to be on the registry forever,
Speaker 2: I know, but it shows how big it is to
Speaker 2: be on the registry.
Speaker 3: If he's willing to plea for three to five years.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing I was thinking about this too, is
Speaker 1: like hopefully also being a de felon could affect his
Speaker 1: standing up, like doing finance and stuff, and like he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have access to the money that he has, and
Speaker 1: that like two to five years in jail, I'm sure
Speaker 1: he'll The thing is is a guy like this in
Speaker 1: real life would just appeal, appeal, appeal until.
Speaker 3: It went away.
Speaker 1: But in this case, like being on the registry might
Speaker 1: not stop a guy like this if he's still allowed
Speaker 1: to have access to money, but.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it would affect his job.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a real it's a real shitty six
Speaker 1: of one, half dozen of another. But so Jenna's like, wait,
Speaker 1: so it's all over, And Barbara's like, if we go
Speaker 1: to the jury, he could be acquitted, and Chad's like,
Speaker 1: we just need to get on with our lives, and
Speaker 1: Jenna's like I agree, So they take the deal. Jenna
Speaker 1: thanks the detect stims who blew up her life. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm on meds. I'm starting therapy. I'm putting Tokyo aside
Speaker 1: for right now. I've got to get better at life
Speaker 1: and not just at sports. So now we cut to
Speaker 1: a TV interview where Jenna is admitting that she started
Speaker 1: pull vaulting to quiet the voices in her head and
Speaker 1: that she was acting out sexually and you know, drinking,
Speaker 1: engaging in risky behavior, and so everyone at the gang
Speaker 1: is watching at the precinct and Live tells Rollins, you know,
Speaker 1: you really did write by Jenna, but she's like, but
Speaker 1: next time, you better tell me before you talk to
Speaker 1: a victim about her testimony. So you know, Rollins is
Speaker 1: not getting away with anything under Olivia Benson's watch, and
Speaker 1: maybe Jenna will end up getting like I'm sure she'll
Speaker 1: write a book. I'm sure that they'll be TV deal
Speaker 1: about this about like an athlete who's secretly a sex worker.
Speaker 1: You know, she'll hopefully make money and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: she can coach too.
Speaker 3: So at home.
Speaker 1: Now the episode ends with Rollins at home. She opens
Speaker 1: the door. Jesse's just in the middle of the living
Speaker 1: room in her pack and play, and Kim's in the
Speaker 1: bathroom and she's like, oh, I let the sitter because
Speaker 1: her boyfriend got into a car accident, and then Amanda,
Speaker 1: like immediately obviously suspicious, busts into the bathroom and Kim
Speaker 1: is holding a pill bottle. Amanda goes into an investigative spiral,
Speaker 1: what are you on oxy adderall like, she starts checking
Speaker 1: all the bottles. She goes, it's lithium, it's a prescription,
Speaker 1: it's legal, like, it's a signed to me. She got
Speaker 1: a psychiatric evaluation when she was first trying to mount
Speaker 1: her defense with with mister Dsapio, the lawyer, that she's
Speaker 1: fucking and she goes and when I got the psychiatric evaluation,
Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with bipolar.
Speaker 3: I've been on meds for a year.
Speaker 1: So classic SVU where something in the detective's life is
Speaker 1: mirroring something that's happening in the episode.
Speaker 3: And she says, you.
Speaker 1: Know, sometimes I miss the manic energy, but I feel
Speaker 1: really good about myself for the first time in my life.
Speaker 1: And Amanda's like really taken aback, and she's like, you
Speaker 1: didn't tell me, And Kim's like, Amanda, you didn't ask,
Speaker 1: and that's.
Speaker 3: Dick wolf baby.
Speaker 1: So this seems like it's like a good news, fresh
Speaker 1: start for Kim and Amanda, but unfortunately Kim later has
Speaker 1: more issues with like you know, being addicted to pain
Speaker 1: killers and stuff that goes on with like the dad,
Speaker 1: and like Kim goes back to prison eventually, but we'll
Speaker 1: cover that at a future date. But this episode is wild,
Speaker 1: and I'm interested to hear what it's based on, because,
Speaker 1: I mean, mental health stuff is so tough. But then
Speaker 1: also to have like the athlete part of it, like
Speaker 1: layered on top, feels very tough to untangle. But Lisa,
Speaker 1: as soon as we're back with a few messages from
Speaker 1: our sponsors, I can't wait for you to tell me
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 2: So today's episode is based on Susie Favor Hamilton, and
Speaker 2: she's a runner originally from Steven's Point, Wisconsin, a Midwest
Speaker 2: bitch thrilled. She's she was an American middle distance runner
Speaker 2: and she went to run at the University of Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: where she won nine NCAA championships and twenty three Big
Speaker 2: Ten titles, so really accomplished. And then during her senior
Speaker 2: year she signed a six figure, five year contract with Reebok,
Speaker 2: which is really cool because I know there's always debate
Speaker 2: about like shit athletes get paid or whatnot. And I believe,
Speaker 2: I hardcore believe they should get paid. But anyway, so cool,
Speaker 2: she got that deal. She married her husband Mark right
Speaker 2: after she graduated college, like immediately, and she was ranked
Speaker 2: number one in the US at the fifteen hundred meter
Speaker 2: in eighty nine slash ninety year and also again in
Speaker 2: two thousand and two. Because even when you said, like thirty,
Speaker 2: oh oh, but for most sports that is older, and
Speaker 2: so to be able to be number one in ninety
Speaker 2: and in two thousand is like pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I just thought like there are some
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, like Serena first of.
Speaker 3: All, yes, there are a handful.
Speaker 1: Has been back, like some Yeah, like who's coming back
Speaker 1: this year to the isn't Simone Bile's going to be back?
Speaker 1: She is a young woman, I know, But how old
Speaker 1: is she? Oh she's twenty six now, but when's the
Speaker 1: next Olympics.
Speaker 2: No, there's also there's like a swimmer who's an and
Speaker 2: a gymnast who's done it into their forties. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it is nonexistent. It is very rare.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I agree, But I thought for some
Speaker 1: reason that for track and stuff, that they're.
Speaker 3: That people have been older. I do. I do agree.
Speaker 1: Gymnastics like has to do so much with like they're
Speaker 1: all so tiny people. For shot put you can aid yea.
Speaker 1: So maybe for biathlon where you ski and shoot off
Speaker 1: a fucking gun, then you can then you can be fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bowling well, because I mean I think that's why.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's dozens of reasons why, but I think
Speaker 2: that's like an added reason why Lebron James is incredible
Speaker 2: because there's memes right now where when he started playing,
Speaker 2: like in the league, he had a flip phone and
Speaker 2: a CD, a portable CD player with headphones. That is
Speaker 2: how Lebron James entered his career.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: He is like he is the coach that was the funniest, Say,
Speaker 2: the coach of one of the teams now is younger
Speaker 2: than Lebron.
Speaker 3: Wow, and this motherfucker is.
Speaker 2: Still dunking and you know, dozens and dozens of points
Speaker 2: a season, like he's not he is playing against twenty
Speaker 2: two year olds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But anyways, so being an athlete is hard. She competed
Speaker 2: in three Olympics and she really wanted to medal in
Speaker 2: Sydney in two thousand, but she did not get it
Speaker 2: because on the final lap she was passed by several
Speaker 2: runners and then she fell. Later, she admitted that she
Speaker 2: fell on purpose after she felt like she had let
Speaker 2: her family down in her friends and her brother had
Speaker 2: passed and he was like run. She was running for
Speaker 2: his memory, and her friend was sick with cancer, and
Speaker 2: she was just like running forever everybody. And once it
Speaker 2: hit her that she wasn't gonna win, the like shame thing,
Speaker 2: and she fucking she faked a fall.
Speaker 3: At the Olympics.
Speaker 2: ABC News quoted her saying, I came around the final
Speaker 2: corner and five girls passed me and the dream of
Speaker 2: having an Olympic medal was gone. And instead of finishing
Speaker 2: the race like most runners would, I told myself just
Speaker 2: fall and I fell immediately, and that was the moment
Speaker 2: on my downward spiral. I didn't know at the time,
Speaker 2: but that was one of the terrible things to happen.
Speaker 2: She was like, damn, I'm the worst person in the world.
Speaker 2: Look what I did. And her self worth was just
Speaker 2: on the floor, and she had tons of mood swings
Speaker 2: and she didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: But she's like, you know what, two thousand and four,
Speaker 3: let's do it.
Speaker 2: But then she began to suffer with depression and consider
Speaker 2: taking her own life, which led her to retire right
Speaker 2: before the Athens Olympics. And so, like any very attractive
Speaker 2: woman whose plan A does not work, she did become
Speaker 2: a real term But also she started doing motivational speeches
Speaker 2: and raising her young girl. Yes, she had a daughter,
Speaker 2: her name was Kylie. And then you know her husband,
Speaker 2: Mark Hamilton, not the one that you're thinking. So that's
Speaker 2: when he began to notice his wife was like getting angry,
Speaker 2: irrational and had an unhealthy attachment to their daughter, like
Speaker 2: refusing to put her down. And this is where she
Speaker 2: was put on antidepressants, which made her feel really good.
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh no, I felt real good, amazingly good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she was just like on a high with
Speaker 2: these antidepressants. But at the same time, her marriage to
Speaker 2: Mark was having a hard moment. So she's like, hey,
Speaker 2: let's go to fucking Vegas, baby. So Kara's on board.
Speaker 2: So she was like, let's work on her marriage. It's
Speaker 2: our wedding anniversary, it's twenty eleven, let's spice things up.
Speaker 2: So on the trip, they ended up having a threesome.
Speaker 2: They went skydiving, and it just made her mania feel
Speaker 2: very intense. But she was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 2: living my life to the fullest. I'm obsessed with this.
Speaker 2: So then when she got home, she was miserable from
Speaker 2: the trip. She hated her real estate job. She was
Speaker 2: craving Vegas. She asked to go back to Vegas alone.
Speaker 2: Her husband was down and was like, yeah, whatever, you need,
Speaker 2: go back to Vegas. While in Vegas, she hired a
Speaker 2: male escort and she loved it and it was the
Speaker 2: only other man she'd ever have had sex with outside
Speaker 2: of her husband, and it hit her like, wait, I
Speaker 2: want to fuck more people. And she was like, and
Speaker 2: if this guy can make money selling sex, I can too.
Speaker 2: I'm fucking hot. And so Mark did know she he
Speaker 2: was in the No, it was not a secret to him.
Speaker 2: Like in the episode, Mark knew it bothered him. He
Speaker 2: raised his objections, but she just she wanted to do it,
Speaker 2: and he knew she was going to do it anyways.
Speaker 2: So Susie called Jamie Rodman, who was the owner of
Speaker 2: the escort firm, and she began working as Kelly Lundy,
Speaker 2: Yes Lundy I wonder if she's related to what was
Speaker 2: the guy? What's Lundy's first name in Dexter? Do you remember, Oh,
Speaker 2: Frank Lundy, isn't it Frank?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she got an amazing high from the first
Speaker 2: night someone paid her for sex, but it.
Speaker 3: Became uncontrollable and she just wanted more and more.
Speaker 2: So she was working as an escort as Kelly Lundy,
Speaker 2: but then also was a piece hearing as Susie Favor
Speaker 2: Hamilton the track Star. It was a full Hannah Montana
Speaker 2: double life situation.
Speaker 3: Legit.
Speaker 2: One day she ran a half marathon in the morning
Speaker 2: in a different state, hopped on an airplane, got to
Speaker 2: Vegas and had five appointments.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She was living life to the edge physical peak.
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 2: At one point she was among the highest ranked escorts
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, according to the escort rating website The
Speaker 2: Erotic Review. I mean, once you're an athlete, you're just
Speaker 2: like competitive forever, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so Susie had been a Vegas escort for about
Speaker 2: ten months when her secret identity was revealed. So she
Speaker 2: was in Vegas and someone called her Susie, and she
Speaker 2: thought it was just like another runner or someone, and
Speaker 2: it actually was an investigative journalist named William Bethstone who
Speaker 2: was a co founder of the smokinggun dot com Wow.
Speaker 2: So in twenty twelve, it came out that Favor Hamilton
Speaker 2: had worked as a high priced call girl in Vegas
Speaker 2: and Chicago, Houston other cities. She really was a hip
Speaker 2: Favor Hamilton said that after the reveal, she considered take
Speaker 2: her own life and ended up admitted to the hospital
Speaker 2: heavily medicated for about two weeks, and it ended up
Speaker 2: being a turning point for her. She also was quickly
Speaker 2: dropped as an endorser. She lost money from Disney foot Locker,
Speaker 2: the Rock and Roll Marathon series, and the Wisconsin Potato
Speaker 2: and Vegetable Growers Association.
Speaker 3: No, that's got a hit hard. That's home, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She was always very attractive, like I keep saying, and
Speaker 2: she was making bank during her running days and now
Speaker 2: her escort time, so like she was always making money.
Speaker 2: And it was kind of the Anna Kornikova of it all.
Speaker 2: Like she wasn't even the fastest, but she was hot.
Speaker 2: So she's made money, like more money than like the
Speaker 2: other runners that were better than her. For escorting, she
Speaker 2: charged six hundred dollars an hour or six thousand dollars
Speaker 2: for twenty four hours. So, like I said, the Smoking
Speaker 2: Gun was the first to publish about her double life
Speaker 2: December twentieth, in twenty twelve, and she quickly admitted it
Speaker 2: on Twitter and was not hiding it or denying it
Speaker 2: in any way. The Smoking Gun reveal came within a
Speaker 2: year of telling one of her clients her real identity.
Speaker 2: So at first it was an accident, like she didn't
Speaker 2: know she had to be careful with information. Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: not a working girl for a long time, so she
Speaker 2: was new to it, and so she didn't realize she
Speaker 2: shouldn't tell people she's from Wisconsin, you know, or what
Speaker 2: she's into, like you don't want to share any information,
Speaker 2: but she accidentally did and then she let it slip
Speaker 2: that like she ran in college. And then on accident,
Speaker 2: she said the name Susie to her client Bob, and
Speaker 2: then one day he came to her and was like,
Speaker 2: I know who you are. You'r Susie favorite Hamilton, and
Speaker 2: you live in Wisconsin and I know it. And so
Speaker 2: that happened, according to Sports Illustrated, and he promised he
Speaker 2: wouldn't tell anybody. But then she became like she became
Speaker 2: into the thrill of letting people know who she was.
Speaker 2: So then she started being a little more loose with
Speaker 2: the information, but thinking these people would never betray her,
Speaker 2: even though they probably are betraying their wives and families.
Speaker 2: So yeah, to ABC News via twenty twenty, she said,
Speaker 2: it wasn't me, it was the disease. So she had
Speaker 2: been misdiagnosed, and this ties in really.
Speaker 3: Well with episodes.
Speaker 2: So she was misdiagnosed and put on the wrong medication
Speaker 2: which made her symptoms worse. So again, according to twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: she said, I know for a matter of fact, I
Speaker 2: would never have become an escort if I wasn't on
Speaker 2: the drug that made me hyper sexual.
Speaker 3: There's no way possible.
Speaker 2: But I also know that I was having sex for money,
Speaker 2: So when I say it was the bipolar's fault, I'm
Speaker 2: not pinning it on bipolar and looking that it was
Speaker 2: an excuse. So she knows it was her, but she
Speaker 2: was dealing with untreated bipolar. Yeah, and then when the
Speaker 2: story came out, there was obviously tons of attention, way
Speaker 2: too much attention, and it was too much, and she
Speaker 2: actually tried to fling herself from a moving car that
Speaker 2: her husband was driving, and that was the final straw
Speaker 2: for her husband and he called the family doctor, so
Speaker 2: she finally was diagnosed with bipolar. So there was a
Speaker 2: doctor Claudia Reardon, who explains that often bipolar patients are
Speaker 2: given antidepressants and it can have catastrophic results. So many
Speaker 2: people go undiagnosed or misdiagnosed for years and don't understand why.
Speaker 2: They have volatile relationships, poor boundaries, unpredictable reactions to events,
Speaker 2: and a dissatisfaction with themselves. Susan Heitler, a Denver based
Speaker 2: clinical psychologist, says that people with bipolar disorder feel like
Speaker 2: they can do anything and they lose contact with standard
Speaker 2: rules of behavior. That goes back to the episode with her,
Speaker 2: like trying to apartment jump in the city of New
Speaker 2: York and stuff like that. Reardan says, in someone with
Speaker 2: bipolar disorder, if you give them an antidepressant, it lifts
Speaker 2: their mood, but they don't have as much of us
Speaker 2: ceiling on their mood, so it can push their mood
Speaker 2: too high and we often see symptoms such as hypersexuality,
Speaker 2: spending lots of money, engaging in lots of reckless kinds
Speaker 2: of behaviors because people generally aren't in the state of
Speaker 2: mind to think through ahead, so the consequences of those
Speaker 2: kinds of behaviors, and she said that to ABC News.
Speaker 2: The diagnosis hit even harder because her brother suffered from it,
Speaker 2: like the same mental illness, and he took his own life,
Speaker 2: and it was like really shocking. So but it gave
Speaker 2: her kind of peace because she realized where all her behavior,
Speaker 2: like her behaviors made sense, and things just started falling
Speaker 2: into place. In retrospect looking back, she's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: my actions were clearly out of character, and it's so
Speaker 2: easy to look back and understand, but at the time
Speaker 2: it just wasn't as clear, and it's taken her years
Speaker 2: to move forward. She still struggles between like what was
Speaker 2: her mental illness and what she did herself.
Speaker 3: She's no longer married to Mark.
Speaker 2: They had a covid era divorce, so that was finalized
Speaker 2: January twenty ninth, twenty twenty one. She did write a
Speaker 2: New York Times best selling memoir called Fast Girl, A
Speaker 2: Life Spent Running from Madness, and that's good if you
Speaker 2: want to read that, and the book focuses on living
Speaker 2: with bipolar disorder and how a misdiagnosis can fuck with
Speaker 2: your life. And this is just a little button on athletes.
Speaker 2: This guy, it's a veteran coach. His name is Brooks Johnson,
Speaker 2: who's worked with Olympic runners since nineteen sixty eight, said
Speaker 2: end quotes, no well adjusted person will ever become an
Speaker 2: Olympic champion. And this is to l magazine, and he continues,
Speaker 2: it's the same for art, politics, music. They go to
Speaker 2: extremes because they have extreme needs. So something to think about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's that. That's not digwolf, that's real life, baby.
Speaker 2: And what a journey, What a fucking journey. And there
Speaker 2: was all these post allegations that were like look at
Speaker 2: her hoe and stuff like that, like sports, like there
Speaker 2: were a ton of like rude stories.
Speaker 3: What is it called byline? Not bylines? Headlines? Yeah? Why
Speaker 3: could I not come up with headlines?
Speaker 2: But it does seem like she handled her shit really
Speaker 2: like on like she did lose a lot but gained
Speaker 2: a lot with the book and her future in her
Speaker 2: life and feeling healthy and I'm glad she was not
Speaker 2: a soul and it seemed like she did whether it
Speaker 2: was bipolar misdiagnosis or what.
Speaker 3: It didn't.
Speaker 2: It did seem like she liked what she was doing.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a situation where she was forced in any way.
Speaker 2: So that's obviously a better situation than the Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: thank you for telling us about that. I did not
Speaker 2: know anything about this woman. No, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's why I like that pole vaulter. Like going into
Speaker 2: her living room and seeing cardboard cutouts of her body.
Speaker 2: It's like, in what world? In what fucking world are
Speaker 2: we getting cut outs of pole vaulters at the grocery store.
Speaker 2: But that's why anyone that brings up women's like college
Speaker 2: swimming for trans arguments, it's like, honey, we know you
Speaker 2: don't care about swimmers, like we don't care about the
Speaker 2: popular women's sports. You're watching swimming, Yeah, on a collegiate level. No,
Speaker 2: stay out of it, baby, stay out of it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, we have a very exciting guests, so
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk to her in a moment.
Speaker 2: I bet you can guess who it is or not
Speaker 2: or your fools.
Speaker 1: All right, you guys might know our guests this week
Speaker 1: as Debbie from True Blood or Penny in Riverdale. She
Speaker 1: most recently appeared in the movie The Donor Party, and
Speaker 1: you probably know her best though, as s Few's Jenna Miller.
Speaker 1: Please enjoy our chat with the actor Britt Morgan.
Speaker 3: Hello Britt Morgan. Oh hello, Hi.
Speaker 1: Having no so great to have you on the pod.
Speaker 1: This is a huge, a huge get This is the
Speaker 1: start of this episode.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Well before we start, are you air drying your hair?
Speaker 2: Are you curling it? What's happening? It looks great?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 5: So I didn't wash it today. It's second day hair
Speaker 5: and I do the wand thing same.
Speaker 3: I'm a wand gal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks effect and like the second day the
Speaker 1: curls like kind of fall. Not today I'm not wanding,
Speaker 1: but normally I'm a wand gal And like the next
Speaker 1: day it's kind of like good PC pieces.
Speaker 4: It's got the deadhead second day. Thanks.
Speaker 2: I guess we have to start by asking what we're
Speaker 2: all thinking. Now you are an athlete, what's going like?
Speaker 2: What like, what's happening?
Speaker 4: What in the episode? Well?
Speaker 3: And how did you do? I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: the hoppit.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a physically demanding episode. You look like
Speaker 2: an Olympian pole vaulter, and so I assume maybe you
Speaker 2: had like a track past or something.
Speaker 5: I have no track pass, no athletic ability, but I
Speaker 5: have broad shoulders.
Speaker 4: That's the ticket. They just look athletic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they brought you in for the audition.
Speaker 1: They were like, don't even have her open her mouth.
Speaker 1: Those shoulders got you.
Speaker 4: Casts Actually even funnier. It was a straight offer. I
Speaker 4: think it's the.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, hell yeah, straight off from sv You
Speaker 2: must feel great.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. It was a moment.
Speaker 5: I was really I wasn't really blown away because the
Speaker 5: role so challenging that I was kind of amazed that
Speaker 5: they offered it to me.
Speaker 4: It was. It was a cool moment. It's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you have to do a lot. I mean
Speaker 2: there's such a range. There's like a mania, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: the mania, bipolar, Yeah, the MAINI.
Speaker 1: Well, we talk about Svu Bingo, and I would say, like,
Speaker 1: you have great Svu Bingo moments in this where like
Speaker 1: you got to be on the stand, have a breakdown
Speaker 1: on the stand, Like do have like a really wild
Speaker 1: capture from the cops where you're trying to hop from
Speaker 1: building the building and like do all this crazy shit
Speaker 1: and then there's a twist with a with a mental illness.
Speaker 1: So a lot of really a lot of really good
Speaker 1: stuff is happening for you in this But like up top,
Speaker 1: I just want to know how that worked with like
Speaker 1: that scene when you were jumping from one building to
Speaker 1: the other. Obviously they didn't make you do that, but
Speaker 1: like how did they shoot that with you? Were they
Speaker 1: just like run really quick and then stop yourself before
Speaker 1: you get to the edge of a building.
Speaker 5: Like actually, yes, that's one of the most distinctive sea
Speaker 5: because this was a this was a minute ago at
Speaker 5: this point eight years regard or something. But I feel
Speaker 5: like that was one of the scenes I remember the
Speaker 5: most because I really was barefoot. It really was like
Speaker 5: cold outside building. I didn't go to the edge edge
Speaker 5: of the building because safety precautions, but and I didn't
Speaker 5: jump over the building. But no, they that was like
Speaker 5: very real. I remember running. I remember like hurt, like
Speaker 5: in real life, hurting my ankle. I remember being like
Speaker 5: this this seed That scene was a bit.
Speaker 2: Intense Yoh but did they have a stunt person do
Speaker 2: the hop or was that like CGI?
Speaker 4: I honestly don't remember God.
Speaker 3: We need some now you were in a dress.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 5: That was that was intense, really running barefoot, and I
Speaker 5: think I think it was cgi the jump cool wow
Speaker 5: big budget.
Speaker 2: We were doing press one time, like radio and they
Speaker 2: said something like, well, you know, Law and Order is
Speaker 2: not like a movie they cut corners.
Speaker 3: What is an example of that?
Speaker 2: And we were like you are mistaken, sir, like absolutely not.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's never been a cutting of corners.
Speaker 3: Yeah, We're like they actually have quite a budget.
Speaker 4: There was no cutting of corners on Lawn Order.
Speaker 3: No, We're like, you fool.
Speaker 2: But also the treadmill scene seemed intense. No, how long
Speaker 2: do you have to run on that?
Speaker 4: How fast that opening scene?
Speaker 1: Yeah yes, because if they asked me to do that,
Speaker 1: I would be like all right, but you got to
Speaker 1: get the shot first take because then I'm having an
Speaker 1: asthma attack, you know, like I wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: do that over and over they go that fast?
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, yeah that was fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like a wild like mom mom, and
Speaker 1: you're so in the zone, like you're ignoring the little
Speaker 1: kid and just like just not the kind of workout
Speaker 1: ethic I have, but you know.
Speaker 4: Me, neither.
Speaker 3: She's an olympian.
Speaker 5: She's an olympian. She is an Olympian. Yeah, no, luckily
Speaker 5: that was fast.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't remember.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The funny thing is you booked these roles and it's
Speaker 5: not like I had a ton of It's not like
Speaker 5: I had months to prepare, right, I think I had
Speaker 5: had two weeks. So it was it was so much like, Okay,
Speaker 5: should I focus on the bipolar? Should I focus on
Speaker 5: the athleticism? Should I focus on the And I remember
Speaker 5: focusing mostly on I think the bipolar aspect and then
Speaker 5: the given circumstances.
Speaker 4: But it's not like I trained for this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like physically, like.
Speaker 1: You must have had to do like a full did
Speaker 1: you do like a full Nike style photo shoot? Because
Speaker 1: there's all this like like footage of you pole vaulting
Speaker 1: and then you like in these Gatorade Nike asque like.
Speaker 4: Ads full photo shoot. It was awesome. Wow, Shoot, that
Speaker 4: was really cool.
Speaker 5: And that was a moment where I was like this
Speaker 5: they really have like no no cutting corners?
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you take the cardboard cutout home of yourself?
Speaker 5: I didn't take the cardboard cutout, which I don't know why.
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't I don't want to go. I took
Speaker 5: home all like the other and like the magazine's style shoot.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was cool.
Speaker 2: One time on X but we were dating sent me
Speaker 2: a cardboard cutout of themselves for my birthday because they
Speaker 2: couldn't be there, and then they dumped me a week
Speaker 2: later and then I had it.
Speaker 3: That's actually so psychotic, yeah.
Speaker 2: Psycho, Wait, so what did you take?
Speaker 5: There was like these little card and then there was
Speaker 5: some eight x ten size of the photo.
Speaker 4: Shoot it having like a Mento box. But I have
Speaker 4: a bunch of them.
Speaker 3: What are other things you've taken from other sets? Oh?
Speaker 5: I don't have luck with being able to take anything.
Speaker 5: Like I did a large arc on True Blood and
Speaker 5: I took like my leather jacket.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Nice, Yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 1: I remember you on True Blood. I'm a true blo
Speaker 1: Giry and I remember your character. You were like against
Speaker 1: Joe Manganello's character. Right, were you a were wolf or
Speaker 1: were you a were panther werewolf?
Speaker 5: I was with Joe Manganello and I was like the
Speaker 5: Suoki at Sukie Nemesis. Yeah yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally remember your character because
Speaker 1: that show was I watched it from the beginning and
Speaker 1: it just really a rollercoaster, a lot of different people
Speaker 1: in and out, but I remember you.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm really lucky because I haven't seen it yet
Speaker 2: and one one week I know I'm gonna binge it
Speaker 2: one day and I'm gonna really fall deep.
Speaker 3: I'm excited at all.
Speaker 4: In you might, I think it still holds up.
Speaker 2: That's what everyone tells me. Yeah, I'm like, I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Our listeners want me to watch it, and I will,
Speaker 2: but I need the perfect rainy day to dive in.
Speaker 1: So Britt, I have not to brag. I've met a
Speaker 1: lot of famous people. I don't usually get superstarstruck, but
Speaker 1: I shot a sketch with Joe Manganello once and I
Speaker 1: was true, like I was like tongue tied.
Speaker 3: How hot he is?
Speaker 1: Like I was just kind of like, uh, like he
Speaker 1: said something to me at one point and I was
Speaker 1: like sure, Like I just couldn't even like talk. He's
Speaker 1: so hot. It was so nuts. Is that how you felt?
Speaker 1: Is that how you felt at the beginning. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you guys are like old pals now, but old pals.
Speaker 5: Now at the beginning. Yeah, and he's also really tall
Speaker 5: and hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's mad, he's so big, I will be honest.
Speaker 4: So I was twenty two on True Blood, wow, and.
Speaker 5: I had nothing of that caliber ever before on my resume.
Speaker 5: So I was just so focused and terrified of of
Speaker 5: not like I wanted so badly just to.
Speaker 4: Do a good job, you know when you're play too.
Speaker 4: So as hot as he was, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I was so overwhelmed, honestly, Yeah, during True Blood just
Speaker 5: because I was I was so young, and I didn't
Speaker 5: have that many credits and.
Speaker 3: It was such a hot show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, honestly, So him being insanely gorgeous was
Speaker 5: just one of the things that I was like, what
Speaker 5: is going on?
Speaker 4: What is going on? But he is beautiful. He's a
Speaker 4: really nice guy too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My husband has run a Dungeons and Dragons game for
Speaker 1: him once, so I like that. He's also kind of
Speaker 1: a nerd as well.
Speaker 4: That's right, he's a gamer. There's a lot of gamers
Speaker 4: on that show.
Speaker 1: It's like the door the very dorky underbelly of gaming
Speaker 1: as well. It's very very dorky, like as as a
Speaker 1: as a wife, of a dork.
Speaker 3: But okay, so that was just a side question, Liza.
Speaker 2: Oh well, no, it's true Blood and you're also in Riverdale.
Speaker 3: They both seem like big fandoms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are you?
Speaker 3: Are you doing the like comic cons? Are you? What's
Speaker 3: the vibe in the streets?
Speaker 5: What is the vibe in the streets? I gotta get
Speaker 5: I was doing a lot of them for the pandemic. Yeah,
Speaker 5: a lot of of that, especially for True Blood. I
Speaker 5: haven't done them in probably four years, five years, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Open to them.
Speaker 3: They're fun, the cons.
Speaker 4: They're not bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the cons are fun, They're a whole thing. I
Speaker 5: haven't done them in quite a bit, though, and I
Speaker 5: don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4: They're still around though.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But when people approach you, do you know by the
Speaker 2: way they look what they're about to say.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good question, Like are a lot.
Speaker 3: Of goths finding you know, like they know him more?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: No, I haven't done enough to have my radar that
Speaker 5: like tuned in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: What are people what if people come up to you
Speaker 1: the most about usually True Blood and Supergirl, say.
Speaker 3: A girl another big fandom?
Speaker 5: Yeah, another big fandom, I guess, Yeah, it is interesting
Speaker 5: to realize how many of those I've done, yeah, and
Speaker 5: I've gotten I did the villain thing.
Speaker 4: They're all villains. All these characters are villains.
Speaker 5: Oh so people will always have things to say about
Speaker 5: that or like, I like, there's a lot.
Speaker 4: Of like you on the show, but I like you
Speaker 4: in real life. That's kind of like you know, which
Speaker 4: is totally which I take as.
Speaker 5: A compliment, because these characters are supposed to be kind
Speaker 5: of you know, you love to hate him, but yeah.
Speaker 1: All villains, dude, Yeah, Well this this episode, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you actually like ran into her that much
Speaker 1: because this episode is intertwined with Lindsay Pulsifer, who plays
Speaker 1: Rollin's sister. You guys aren't in any scenes together. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if you like saw her on set
Speaker 1: at all. But she's a very like hated character by
Speaker 1: the sv people, But we've had her on our podcast
Speaker 1: and she's so lovely because like she's just a bad
Speaker 1: she's a.
Speaker 3: Villain on the show.
Speaker 1: She's a bad like sister on the show, you know,
Speaker 1: so she gets that a lot too, where people are like,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be so mean to your sister, like when
Speaker 1: she's just like grocery shopping exactly.
Speaker 5: That's what people, That's when I get the most across
Speaker 5: the board. And I also I love Lindsay's actually a
Speaker 5: good friend of mine.
Speaker 3: Oh because we.
Speaker 4: Were on True Blood together.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. Duh, I forgot.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's a lot of SVU True Blood
Speaker 1: crossover now that I'm thinking about it. Oh world, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when's Joe Mancanello going to do an episode of Best View?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We got to get him
Speaker 3: on Get in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Kelly Giddish told us that one time someone came
Speaker 2: up to her when she was in a casino and
Speaker 2: they were like, should you be in here?
Speaker 3: Because her character has a gambling problem. So I like that.
Speaker 4: It's so funny. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Kelly Giddish, you had like a lot of
Speaker 1: one on one with like Marishka and Kelly in this episode.
Speaker 1: How was working with them? Like we love Marishka tidbits anything,
Speaker 1: or I mean, we love Kelly Tidbits too, But you know,
Speaker 1: I love Kelly.
Speaker 5: I remember marish a few Marishka scenes like really really well,
Speaker 5: and just I just was so blown away by her
Speaker 5: because after so many seasons of doing this show. She's
Speaker 5: just the real deal, and she really like held the
Speaker 5: bar high. I mean, I was pushing myself regardless, but
Speaker 5: just I remember doing I don't know, it's sometimes I
Speaker 5: hope I'm not saying too much, but I remember all
Speaker 5: the scenes were emotional. But I remember doing coverage and
Speaker 5: she had said something like like I was doing one
Speaker 5: thing on my take and then we turned around and
Speaker 5: I think I changed it, and I think that she
Speaker 5: kind of like mentioned something in like a very kind
Speaker 5: like way of kind of like making sure I'm matching
Speaker 5: what I did for my coverage.
Speaker 4: For her coverage.
Speaker 5: She was also super supportive and like after every emotional scene,
Speaker 5: she was just like had the kindest words to say,
Speaker 5: and I just felt like she was really interested in the.
Speaker 4: Art of it.
Speaker 5: Still, Yeah, which a lot of times you do you
Speaker 5: do crime shows, and sometimes the leads have checked out
Speaker 5: years ago totally, you know what I mean, because it's
Speaker 5: the same thing all the time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: twenty two episodes after year after year after year. So
Speaker 5: just to see how she like the space she held,
Speaker 5: I would like enter a scene and immediately me be like,
Speaker 5: I have to make sure I'm like rising to the
Speaker 5: occasion just by the space she held. Yeah, so there's
Speaker 5: like a degree of excellence I think she brings that
Speaker 5: makes you want to rise to the occasion.
Speaker 1: That was just impressed by her, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why the show's still on souring their twenty fifth season
Speaker 1: is because she's still like yeah, like in it.
Speaker 5: For the art of it too, like hands down, Like
Speaker 5: I really honestly think that that's it, Like it's amazing.
Speaker 2: During the strike, we didn't have any guests, so you're
Speaker 2: one of our first guests back, and I miss hearing
Speaker 2: positive things about mrccal hargetay.
Speaker 3: Like that really brought me a lot of joy.
Speaker 2: Because she does seem just amazing and wants the guest
Speaker 2: stars that come on to do a good job.
Speaker 5: It's insane, I have to be honest, Like I've never
Speaker 5: seen anything like it, Like there was such this maternal
Speaker 5: or like older sister like she does she cares about
Speaker 5: you doing a great.
Speaker 4: Job and that the show is great like that this
Speaker 4: scenms to feel real.
Speaker 2: She knows how much it means to people, I think
Speaker 2: to be on it, like it is a stamp for
Speaker 2: so many actors, like done a law order, their first credit.
Speaker 3: You know that's cool.
Speaker 4: Totally.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it is so many people's first credit. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's amazing to think about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the show's just great.
Speaker 2: It's first credits or it's people you know, like Carol
Speaker 2: Burnett will just be a killer.
Speaker 4: Ah yeah, right, Well.
Speaker 2: We were talking about I don't know how to say
Speaker 2: his last name, Joe Matt what is it manganello.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was being hot.
Speaker 2: I do want to say your attacker was hot, theo Stockman.
Speaker 2: I felt like he was hot. How did you feel,
Speaker 2: bad guy? But I was I like, I looked him up.
Speaker 2: I was like, who is this? Are you guys best friends?
Speaker 4: He was super sweet.
Speaker 5: I think I'm I crazy. I think it was like
Speaker 5: one of his first jobs. But anyway, we're not best friends.
Speaker 5: He was so sweet, but in the scenes he was
Speaker 5: giving creepy rapist vibes. Yeah yeah, but like they were thick.
Speaker 5: I mean in his acting, not in real life, right
Speaker 5: right act. I just watched it again last night because
Speaker 5: I was I needed to remember what it was.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he's very cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's a Broadway guy too, Lisa, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: is that your thing?
Speaker 3: We I like to see the hip shows I do.
Speaker 3: I'm in it. I wish I was.
Speaker 2: I wish I had more in depth knowledge. But I
Speaker 2: love going to Broadway shows when I'm in New York
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And a lot.
Speaker 2: Of our listeners sometimes, you know, we do a lot
Speaker 2: of episodes and we recap them and.
Speaker 3: People will be like, I can't believe you didn't mention this.
Speaker 3: They were on Broadway.
Speaker 2: So we have a lot of Broadway people that listen
Speaker 2: and I'm like, sorry, we didn't know that they were beetlejuice.
Speaker 3: My bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wait, since you watched it yesterday, thank you for doing that.
Speaker 2: Any things that jogged your memory or scenes you were like,
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts watching it?
Speaker 4: A lot of things jog my memory.
Speaker 5: The athletic aspect of it, like on the track, me
Speaker 5: doing like these moves on the track to find me
Speaker 5: at the end, I'm like, I don't even know I
Speaker 5: know nothing about sports. The courtroom scene jog my memory
Speaker 5: because I take my shirt off in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 1: That's probably the only person to strip on the stand
Speaker 1: in SVU history. I mean, I don't think we've seen
Speaker 1: that before. We've seen We've seen erections on the stand.
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of crazy shit on the stand,
Speaker 1: but my body is perfect. Taking off your shirt like
Speaker 1: that was a wild scene? How was that?
Speaker 4: That was a wild scene?
Speaker 5: It was like, you know, sometimes you get a role
Speaker 5: and there's like the one scene you're like nervous about
Speaker 5: the whole time and you're like, I can't.
Speaker 4: That was the scene.
Speaker 5: I was even sitting here like nervous to see it
Speaker 5: back because technically acting wise, going from one, like you know,
Speaker 5: one thing to like this manic episode taking my shirt
Speaker 5: off on the scene, but also taking your shirt off
Speaker 5: ever on a stand is so odd.
Speaker 4: It was just so odd like and interesting to watch.
Speaker 5: But no, as me, that was that was really challenging
Speaker 5: just being able to like number one pull it off,
Speaker 5: like how do I pull this off? Like so so
Speaker 5: this doesn't like look ridiculous, and number two just feeling
Speaker 5: kind of bad for the character I.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I mean I was kind of like
Speaker 1: I thought that was a really interesting like part of
Speaker 1: this character that like, you know, we see female athletes
Speaker 1: in a certain way, and sometimes we see athletes that
Speaker 1: get dulled up on like red carpets and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: But this woman was really into like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to just be seen as like this athlete. I really
Speaker 1: want to be seen as like a sexy woman too.
Speaker 1: And that's like what started it. And that's I think
Speaker 1: even though she has the mental illness, that's what.
Speaker 3: He said to her.
Speaker 1: That lawyer is like what triggers all those feelings On
Speaker 1: the stand, She's like, I'll show you how hot I am,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, you look great, you look great.
Speaker 4: Oh oh gosh.
Speaker 5: As a woman myself, that was challenging because I don't
Speaker 5: feel like I have anything to be able to be like,
Speaker 5: oh look I'm perfect, yeah, yeah, perfect, Like I certainly
Speaker 5: don't feel that way about myself.
Speaker 4: I had to really jump in the character for that
Speaker 4: aspect of it. But you know how how odd.
Speaker 5: It you're of course, who's sitting you know in the
Speaker 5: audience is all these veteran actors, Mauricia get my risk
Speaker 5: and everybody, And I'm sitting here taking my shirt up
Speaker 5: and they're looking my voice isn't interesting?
Speaker 4: Yeah, scene, I haven't seen I haven't seen this one before.
Speaker 5: You know, there's like it's it's a little funny until
Speaker 5: you get into it.
Speaker 2: Well, Also, we've talked to people that the courtroom scenes
Speaker 2: do take a really long time to film because there's
Speaker 2: so much coverage to do.
Speaker 3: How many times did you have to do it?
Speaker 1: Was it like a really long long day, just you
Speaker 1: have to keep like ramping up to this big melt
Speaker 1: down and taking your.
Speaker 3: Shirt off over and over and over again. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: To be honest, yes, it's worth wild. It's works that
Speaker 4: it is work. It's just work, plain and simple. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: oh hard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then how was your How was your on screen husband?
Speaker 1: He seemed like I wanted to kill him for half
Speaker 1: the episode, but so the guy was doing a good job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 5: I was impressed by him watching it back, I was like,
Speaker 5: he's good for this role, like I was giving, like
Speaker 5: husband of an Olympic athlete, Yeah, very well, like.
Speaker 1: Like we're a business. The two of us together are
Speaker 1: a business and you.
Speaker 2: Can't we're gonna get a gold medal. Yeah, that was nice.
Speaker 5: It was a nice detail that I totally forgotten so
Speaker 5: I watched it. He was a really nice guy, as
Speaker 5: as usual, the people who play these sort of characters
Speaker 5: are usually really nice y.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We had a comedian friend of ours on the pod
Speaker 2: because he played an ice cream truck rapist and it
Speaker 2: is like wild. When then you know the person, you're like, wow,
Speaker 2: we were like Johnny would never come on.
Speaker 4: Johnny would never Oh my.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you up to? Now? Strike's over? What
Speaker 3: are you feeling?
Speaker 4: Strike is over?
Speaker 3: Back?
Speaker 4: It's so crazy. Back to auditioning.
Speaker 5: I shot an episode of The Rookie last week that
Speaker 5: was pretty fun. Yeah, it should be in the uh
Speaker 5: the season.
Speaker 3: The opener is that n C Nash No, who's in
Speaker 3: The Rookie? Nathan Fillian?
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I don't know if it's I know Nathan Filliae.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you're making him that she's in something right now? Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: that sounds kind of like The Rookie.
Speaker 4: I'm looking it up right now.
Speaker 3: Oh it's called the Rookie FEDS. Yes, so I wasn't
Speaker 3: far off. I wasn't far off.
Speaker 4: You were, Oh my god, there's so many he's spin off.
Speaker 3: Called the Rookie FEDS. And she's the star of it.
Speaker 3: That's why I was like the Rookie And that's cool, and.
Speaker 4: It's just getting back into it, getting back into the yeah,
Speaker 4: the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So hopefully have you like since you've done these big parts,
Speaker 1: like cause I know, like when you were on Riverdale
Speaker 1: you had like an eye patch or something crazy.
Speaker 3: You were like, yeah, you were a villain.
Speaker 1: Are you like continuing to like mostly go out for
Speaker 1: villain parts or do you do all kinds of stuff?
Speaker 3: I'm sure we are changing.
Speaker 4: We gotta change. We gotta change the branding, changing the branding. Serious.
Speaker 5: I think the only good thing about like I hadn't
Speaker 5: like worked that much in the last few years, is
Speaker 5: kind of feeling like ready to take an It's easy
Speaker 5: to get kind of like.
Speaker 4: A little bit pigeonhole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And then you and then you're making you know, you
Speaker 5: got you got to pay the bills, right. I guess
Speaker 5: I'm doing this one thing really well, like let's just
Speaker 5: keep doing it. But I got myself into a position
Speaker 5: where I feel like it's time to just just try
Speaker 5: different things and like, you know, expand it. So luckily though,
Speaker 5: I go out for everything. Yeah, I don't only go
Speaker 5: out for villains.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, all right, Well we'll see what the next
Speaker 3: thing is.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want our listeners to check
Speaker 1: out or know about?
Speaker 4: Uh no, not really follow me? On social media be
Speaker 4: in touch. Yeah, and I'll keep you I'll keep you posting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We're going to tag you up and everything when
Speaker 1: this comes out and everything, of course.
Speaker 3: But this is awesome. I mean, do you have.
Speaker 1: Any like last minute little like funny things that happened
Speaker 1: on set. Did you and Iced Tea run into each
Speaker 1: other at Craft Services? Like anything you want to say
Speaker 1: before we leave?
Speaker 5: No, although I will say in the courtroom scene when
Speaker 5: we were doing it, I was like freaking out and
Speaker 5: taking my shirt off and everything.
Speaker 4: Ice Youa just like, Wow, you never seen anything like
Speaker 4: this before. Great scene. He's a trip. He's really funny.
Speaker 1: We are are dying, actively dying to meet him.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Has he not been on the podcast yet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my god, yes not yet.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of regulars, We've had a lot,
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of like longtime classics. But we're
Speaker 1: we're waiting on like him and Marishka, because we feel
Speaker 1: like the podcast is basically over once we get them.
Speaker 2: And to But we did I see got a star
Speaker 2: on the Walk of Fame, and we did carolied and
Speaker 2: said we were pressed, and we got into the press
Speaker 2: box and.
Speaker 3: We got we got close. We are pressed.
Speaker 1: We have access to more people that like s view
Speaker 1: than probably any press person in that breast box.
Speaker 3: Kara was wearing a pea coach. She looked perfect and
Speaker 3: really was able to.
Speaker 1: And pretending it was a snuffo, you know, with our
Speaker 1: PR company or something.
Speaker 5: When was this with the Walk of Fame the Star
Speaker 5: last when last year?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like jar but we got an amazing photo of his
Speaker 2: daughter leaping into Marishka's arms, and hopefully one day we
Speaker 2: will be able to meet her and give her this picture.
Speaker 3: It's like, so fucking cute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's amazing. Wow, that is so cool.
Speaker 1: But this was so fun, Britt, thank you for taking
Speaker 1: the time. We can't wait to see what else you're doing.
Speaker 1: Uh coming up, You're gonna be killing it. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's something very soon.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to then watch True Blood and
Speaker 2: then rich be obsessed.
Speaker 3: You know, years ago watch I.
Speaker 4: Would I would die. I'm curious. I feel like you'll
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 2: I like it, Transylvania, So why wouldn't I like you?
Speaker 3: They're so similar, They're so similar.
Speaker 4: This was really fun. Thank you for having me. I
Speaker 4: love I love this kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh she was a treat one more time from Britt.
Speaker 1: But that was really fun. It's fun to talk to
Speaker 1: somebody who is like really the focus of the entire episode.
Speaker 2: And uh, she had a lot of work to do,
Speaker 2: and I had to do varied things. Like it wasn't
Speaker 2: just courtroom. It was I'm gonna get naked in a courtroom. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just you're visiting my house. It's like, here's
Speaker 2: a room of figurines of me. So like she really
Speaker 2: got to do a lot of different locations and varied
Speaker 2: acting and crushed it and was cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean in the Courtroom Hall of Fame, there's like
Speaker 1: the guy who stands up with the boner, there's this
Speaker 1: woman taking off her top.
Speaker 3: She's right, she's right up there.
Speaker 1: She's in the top courtroom performances we've seen on the show.
Speaker 3: So loved that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if we're talking about yeah, I would say
Speaker 2: I would throw a whoopee into that one.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: And I would uh throw that last one we did
Speaker 3: about the cam girl.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the cam I mean that was an iconic
Speaker 1: one too, because that's like COVID with like weird plastic screens.
Speaker 1: We should just make like top ten iconic courtroom moments.
Speaker 1: Make a little list.
Speaker 3: I think we should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do it, even though I'm having a heart
Speaker 2: to Yeah the little kid people admitting it on the stand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, the show is good. Have we covered that
Speaker 3: that we love it?
Speaker 1: I mean people that go and attack like they're the
Speaker 1: defense attorney or the prosecutor with like a pencil or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: doesn't Careesi get a bloody ear at one point.
Speaker 3: There's a lot, there's a lot of good courtroom shit.
Speaker 4: Ugh.
Speaker 2: Someone stabbing in the ear is so hard to think about. Ah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Are people that end up like
Speaker 2: having headaches and then they look in and there's like
Speaker 2: a bug.
Speaker 3: In their ear? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 3: You know that happened on Survivor ones. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: But she didn't want to leave the game because she
Speaker 2: wanted to be on Survivor and she had a live
Speaker 2: thing in her ear.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Like that is that is?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: So I can't. I don't even think I can. I
Speaker 3: know you told me to stop.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I continued, but uh.
Speaker 1: So that's a thing for you. Yeah, like I'm not
Speaker 1: even that scared of bugs. I just don't want them
Speaker 1: in my boty, you know what I mean, Like anywhere
Speaker 1: any orifice and an ear would be one of them.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, let's do post mortem of the episode.
Speaker 1: Listen, just because a gal likes to get dressed up
Speaker 1: and go into town, going to New York City, doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you can, im I mean, just because you're paying
Speaker 1: someone for sex doesn't mean you can do whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck you want.
Speaker 3: That guy was a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I mean, it's not it's like the whole thing, Well,
Speaker 2: I paid for it. It's like, yeah, but you pay
Speaker 2: for lots of things, you can't do it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I pay for an uber.
Speaker 2: I can't punch him in the back of the head.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, it's dehumanization and the devaluing of these people, Like
Speaker 2: people don't look at sex workers as people or if
Speaker 2: you're a hoe at all.
Speaker 3: Certainly not that man. No, No, who's the guy that sucks?
Speaker 3: Andrew Tait has a brother, I guess, oh god, there's
Speaker 3: two of them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I listened to some of my porn pods,
Speaker 2: I watched some clips, and so there was a girl
Speaker 2: on it who flew out to meet up with him,
Speaker 2: like he messaged her and she was like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: flew me out to Dubai and it's like to be
Speaker 2: flown out to Dubai. I just I you know, but whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so she goes, yeah, I saw his paige. She had
Speaker 2: cute cars, so I thought he was cute. So I
Speaker 2: went and then they asked how was the sex, and
Speaker 2: she went rough oh, And it's like, yeah, like why
Speaker 2: would you go have said like a human trafficking brother,
Speaker 2: I just don't understand. Well, like you're so hot and
Speaker 2: you're making money here, Like why I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds terrible.
Speaker 2: Again, the weight of the world is huge, and thank
Speaker 2: god for little trinkets and treats so.
Speaker 3: We could have ease.
Speaker 2: And I guess we're lucky to have the ease because
Speaker 2: so many people do not and are deep in a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: So are we pro or for manager husbands?
Speaker 1: I mean, in the end, I think it's good that
Speaker 1: he lets her like address her mental health and like
Speaker 1: walk away from sports, because it's like she cannot do both.
Speaker 1: But I think that he was ignoring a very clear
Speaker 1: mental health problem for a long time, so that he
Speaker 1: could she could just be successful, you know, so I
Speaker 1: think bad but maybe moving his way towards the good column. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like people just I don't know, it's the same
Speaker 1: with I'm sure like actors and singers, but like athletes,
Speaker 1: you know, just thinking that these people are perfect and
Speaker 1: have no problems, or like that they can that you
Speaker 1: could do anything to push through pressure. It's like you
Speaker 1: can't push through a mental illness. You know, you could try,
Speaker 1: You could try for decades. Yeah, you could try. But
Speaker 1: I think they handled it pretty well. How like they
Speaker 1: handled the true story pretty well too. I feel like
Speaker 1: the true story's wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I watched this episode live when it first
Speaker 1: came out, I had no idea it was based on
Speaker 1: a real thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean she was cool, Like it's kind of badass
Speaker 2: to like race all day, get on a flight and
Speaker 2: have five clients in Vegas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you imagine how strong you have to be?
Speaker 1: I thought that she was doing it after she was
Speaker 1: done running professionally, but now ye're wrong.
Speaker 2: No, she went straight from a meet, got on a
Speaker 2: flight and went and took and had five clients.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I thought it was like just when she
Speaker 1: became a realtor and things were off the table athletically. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's endurance, you know, That's.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: These athletes they're good because I always think about well
Speaker 2: not always just now, like is Travis tired after the
Speaker 2: game or does he just have more energy?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm sure exhausted. But then if you, like one,
Speaker 1: isn't there adrenaline and you want to and you.
Speaker 3: Gotta get ready for the next game.
Speaker 2: Like it's such a wild existence, it really is.
Speaker 3: I just started going back to.
Speaker 2: Soul cycle, and there was like the first few times
Speaker 2: I had I was so beat and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you forget that.
Speaker 3: You do get tired after you do stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, my legs just came back online. It's today's Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I worked out on Friday, and my legs like just
Speaker 1: today don't hurt. Like it's like it's very I don't
Speaker 1: have the constitution of an athlete, that is absolutely for sure.
Speaker 1: Like I don't have the discipline or really any of it,
Speaker 1: the physical ability, the care, the passion, yeah, the drive,
Speaker 1: the interest, any of it's just it's not there for me.
Speaker 1: And I can honestly say that about any sport I've
Speaker 1: ever played. I was always like I'm doing this because
Speaker 1: this is what everybody does, Like any sport.
Speaker 3: I played lacrosse.
Speaker 1: I really liked lacrosse, but I was never like this rules,
Speaker 1: I'm having the best time.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was like everybody plays sports, and I have to
Speaker 1: play sports, so if I'm going to play one, this
Speaker 1: one's fine.
Speaker 3: You know your mom made you play sports.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shocked, like she didn't like make me,
Speaker 1: but it was like everybody was doing it, so it
Speaker 1: was like, what sport are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like she was like you have to, but
Speaker 1: like everybody was doing one. It's like I loved horseback riding,
Speaker 1: but she made you play piano, so who knows, Yeah
Speaker 1: she did and then I quit. Maybe she forced, you know,
Speaker 1: field hockey down your throat. Who knows, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: People thought I'd be good at basketball because I'm tall. Nope, terrible.
Speaker 2: Carmen Lynch has the funniest joke because she's so tall.
Speaker 2: People always like you're so tall, you should be a model,
Speaker 2: and she's like, how about my face? Like it's like
Speaker 2: half the compliment, like there's another part that belongs to
Speaker 2: being a model.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh but if you all.
Speaker 2: Want to know, I am doing the Britney Spears Soul
Speaker 2: Cycle Ride today, so you know I'm counting down the minutes.
Speaker 1: Britt Morgan, Britney Spears a lot of Brits in your
Speaker 1: life today.
Speaker 3: Love that?
Speaker 2: Wait, did you see Dan Polyac shake Hule's partner did so?
Speaker 2: He actually just did He did our all of our tour, He.
Speaker 1: Did all of our tour art for the Anywhere but
Speaker 1: Hudson tour that we did, and he's he's.
Speaker 3: Did my most recent artwork.
Speaker 2: And he just designed the twenty fifth year anniversary Hit
Speaker 2: Me Baby One More Time Britney Spears capsule collection. There's shorts, necklaces,
Speaker 2: tank top, sweatshirts. He designed the whole collection and it's official. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Britney Spears dot fucking calm. So that was really That's
Speaker 2: so cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's very talented. He's the best beautiful eyebrows too. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm glad we could shout out our buddy Dan. Let's
Speaker 3: move on to what would Sister Peg do?
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Speaker 3: incredible organization.
Speaker 2: And next week we'll be doing one of my favorite episodes,
Speaker 2: a story of More Woe not my favorite title, Season twenty,
Speaker 2: episode thirteen, Taylor Swift's Lucky Number and thank you so much.
Speaker 2: We're obsessed with all of you, and until next week.
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