1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted social 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: distancing Style from Packers dot com. I am Mike Spofford, 3 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: joined as always by my trusted colleague west hod Koit's 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: coming to you from our homes as we have for 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the past couple of months. Weston, how are you doing? 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: My friend? I'm good now I'm depressed. And he said 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: they we've been here for the last couple of months. 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, technically that's accurate, but doesn't doesn't make it 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: any easier to digest. It doesn't. It doesn't. Well, late 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: last week we heard from the Packers three coordinators, defense 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: coordinator Mike Petton, offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, and Special teams 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: coordinator Sean Meninga. They did a media session over zoom 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: All a chance to for lots of the Green Day 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: med Core to ask some questions, get the updates on 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: where they're at with things with the verse you, off 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: season program and all of that. Um, I'll just throw 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: it out to us. I'll leave it wide open for you. 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: What was your biggest takeaway, the strongest impression that anyone 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: made as far as what they said to you, Well, 20 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: it was Mike Petton and I think everybody wanted to 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: hear what pet had to say, not only coming off 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: of last year in the NFC Championship game against the 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners, but just in general with where 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: he wants this defense to go now in year three 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: and the challenges that he's going to face with this 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: truncated offseason, starting off with that NFC title game. First 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: and foremost, this is the big thing I think I 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 1: was my takeaway from this. We you cannot just plan 29 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: for one specific game, one specific opponent. It has to 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: be a full vision of what you want your defense 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: to be. And so when people look at the two 32 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: thousand uh you know it's nineteen NFC championship game in 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Yeah, everyone's gonna look at Well, it didn't 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: go so hot for the Packers there the run, defense 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: and hold up there were challenges that they faced. But 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, as much as that 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: is the truth, you can't focus on that one performance 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: when you build for two thousand twenty because the forty 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Niners are not going to be the same, the NFL 40 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: is not going to be the same. And it goes 41 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: back to something that I wrote about this week in 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: an Insider inbox. You remember the two thousand thirteen, two 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: thousand twelve thirteen playoff game against the forty Niners when 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick ran for a ton of yards against Green 45 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: Bay Will it came back in the opener in thirteen 46 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: later that year and he threw for four yards. So 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: there's always gonna be a check in a balance, and 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: I think that's the one thing that Petton is very 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: much in tune with. And he also said when you 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: look at this run defense, yeah, there are structural changes 51 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: they need to make, but he still feels like this 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: personnel and especially now with Christian Kurtsey coming in an 53 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: inside linebacker, that's gonna give the Green Bay Packers what 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: they need in order to to take that next step. Yeah, 55 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: the biggest thing I took away from Petton's comments is, 56 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: you know, he's not going to change what the defense is. 57 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: He's it's not going to be some wholesale change just 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: based on one performance. I think he obviously said they 59 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: were lacking in the execution, the effort, the energy, all 60 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: of those kinds of things. It wasn't their day and 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: it was their worst performance at the worst possible time. 62 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: But Mike Patton is not going to change who the 63 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: Packers are on defense. He's not suddenly going to make 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: the run defense a bunch of two gapping laterally moving 65 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: guys up front. He still wants to attack, he still 66 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: wants to control the line of scrimmage. And I think 67 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: as much as it's on the players that obviously things 68 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: went wrong out there on the field, I think he's 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: taking his share of the blame himself in terms of 70 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: not emphasizing the run defense principles that got away from 71 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: them at the end of the season there in in 72 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: the championship games. So he said, hey, this is a performance. 73 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: Everybody has to own it. We can't run from it. 74 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: And he's talking about coaches and players and everybody. But 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: as you said, this is not about completely changing the 76 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: defensive identity and changing who you are based on one performance. 77 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: It's about emphasizing things getting buttoned down in certain areas 78 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: that obviously things went wrong at the wrong time. But 79 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: Mike Petton believes in his scheme, he believes in this 80 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: defense and uh and with the players he has coming back, 81 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: and obviously you're swapping out Kirksey for Martinez in the 82 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: middle of it all. But with all the players that 83 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: are coming back, the experience that everybody has gained in 84 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: the system, he has confidence that this defense is going 85 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: to get back to where it was when it was 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: peaking in twenty nineteen. Well, he mentioned that too. I mean, 87 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: this defense and this team won fourteen games last year. 88 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: So you don't just throw out the baby with the 89 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: bathwater and just restart. I mean, you got to build 90 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: off of what you did well and improve on where 91 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: you fell short. That's where his main objective is going 92 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: to be, and he laid out some of the preliminary 93 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: plans for that already. He said, you know, you can't 94 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: have Kenny Clark playing of the defensive snaps. You have 95 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: to pick your poison with him. Do you want him 96 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: in there on third downs rushing and going after the passer, 97 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: or do you want him in there every first and 98 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: second down trying to defend the run. When you got 99 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: a guy like Clark that can do so many things, well, 100 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: it's appetizing to just want to put him on the 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: field as much as possible. The Packers can't do that. 102 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: They need to be more multiple. He talked about a 103 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: guy like Kingsley Kiki their fifth round pick last year 104 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: out of Texas Tech Texas A and M excuse me. 105 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: He feels like that's a guy that can get into 106 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: that rotation and take some snaps off of Clark and Lowery. 107 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: There is a law of diminishing returns with defensive linemen 108 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: in this league. Clark has still played above that, but 109 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: you need to be able to give those guys rest. 110 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: You have a good transition and a in a rotation 111 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: going right now at outside linebacker, he mentioned, despite the 112 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: fact that they did lose Kyler Facral, he feels like 113 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: this is still the best and the most deep, you know, 114 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: core of outside edge rushers that he's ever had as 115 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator in the NFL. He believes Rashawn Gary 116 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: needs to take another step and they want to give 117 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: him the opportunities to do so. And then certainly there's 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: a lot to figure out what the secondary yet, who's 119 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: gonna be holding down Nickel corner. But overall, with the 120 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: additions that they made last year and some of the 121 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: improvements that now they want to make this year, that's 122 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: why Patton really does believe that where they stand right 123 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: now can be a championship caliber defense. Yeah, and I 124 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: agree with you, I think I think he really wants 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: to focus on the fact that he doesn't want Kenny Clark, 126 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith, and Preston Smith to all be playing eight 127 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: five roughly percentage of the snaps on defense. He wants 128 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: to share the workload a little bit more. It's a 129 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: long season. Every game itself is a long game, but 130 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: it's a long season, especially if you're trying to make 131 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: a playoff run. So all that factors into the plans 132 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: for and trying to see some young players rise up, 133 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: take on more responsibility, take on larger roles, to lessen 134 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: the burden on some of those veteran guys who really 135 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: carried the load last year. Um Moving on offensive coordinator 136 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, I think the thing that struck me the most, 137 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: and he's always very entertaining when he talks. He's got, 138 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, I guess, a bubbly personality for for lack 139 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: of a better phrase, off the top of my head, 140 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: but he's very entertaining when he talks. And I thought 141 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: it was interesting the question that he answered about the 142 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: Packers being in year two of the offensive system, but 143 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, having to deal with this virtual offseason and 144 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: you could almost see the look on his face as 145 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: though like, oh my gosh, I can't imagine if we 146 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: were trying to do this in year one, you know, 147 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: which there are some teams in the league who were 148 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: doing that, Mike McCarthy with the Cowboys, other head coaches 149 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: who have gotten new jobs and they've had to work 150 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: on trying to implement their systems without getting their guys 151 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: on the field. But coach Hackett is very very glad 152 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: that that the Packers did what they did in year 153 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: one and now they're dealing with the challenges in year 154 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: two as opposed to having to go through that last year. Yeah, 155 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: and Nathaniel mentioned, I mean he has some friends in 156 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: the teaching profession and he actually reached out to them 157 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: to get some pointers on how they were going to 158 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: be able to do these exercises over zoom overrecorded meetings, 159 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: because he said, you know, so many times you just 160 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: get up and you give your speech. For better or 161 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: for worse, it lives in it, you know, dies in 162 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: that moment. You just move on with your life. Well, 163 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: in this particular case, in those some of those prerecorded 164 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: team meetings that they have, you have to sit there 165 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: and look at yourself and you gotta judge yourself and 166 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: you gotta learn from those experiences. And he said, you know, 167 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: they've talked about trying to find ways to make it 168 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: more interactive and fun for the players. Based on what 169 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers said last week, it sounds like they've been 170 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: largely successful with that. Certainly, we're gonna get a chance 171 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: here soon enough to talk to some of these other 172 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: players to get their perception of it. But the thing 173 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: I loved about Hackett's response, in addition to the realization 174 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: that if you're a rookie coach right now, man, you're 175 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: really up the creek trying to institute your scheme in 176 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: this environment, but even more than that, it's just his 177 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: overall enthusiasm for this offense and where things could go 178 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: in year two. I think they laid a blueprint last year. 179 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: They didn't check every box. Matt Lafleur has been open 180 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: and honest about that, but they did lay a blueprint 181 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: of where they believe this group can go. Now they 182 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: have a very deep and very versatile backfield that they've built. 183 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: You have a guy like Josiah Degure coming in who 184 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: knows what he could potentially be in this offense, and then, 185 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: by the way, Davante Adams is still the receiver, David 186 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: Baxtr is still your left tackle, Corey Linsley's still your center, 187 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: and obviously Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams are still in 188 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: that equation as well. There are a lot of returning 189 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: pieces for this Packers offense in addition to QB one, 190 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: So all those things put together, you can just kind 191 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: of get a sense for what he feels like this 192 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: upside is going to be for this group, trying to 193 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: build upon some of those principles that they put in place, 194 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: and also looking probably a little bit more like the 195 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: offense that Matt Lafleur and vision is now moving into. Yeah, 196 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: and I almost wondered, just because of the limitations of 197 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: the off season and the fact that everything has been 198 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: been virtual to this point, I'm not sure how much 199 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to implement in terms of 200 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: their changes and the things they want to tweak and 201 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: adjust and everything along the way right now. But I 202 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: think we might see the Packers offense in the season, 203 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: when the actual season gets going, you might see more 204 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: of those adjustments along the way. It may be just 205 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: a more a matter of of spreading them out, so 206 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: to speak, in the calendar in terms of some of 207 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: the changes and where you want to go with some things. 208 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: Just my own speculation there, just because I can't imagine 209 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: you can you can try to implement all of the 210 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: changes you want to make to the playbook in a 211 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: year two of a system when you're not getting the 212 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: players out there to at least, do you know, get 213 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: him together to do walk through eleven on eleven even 214 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: half three quarter speed? Um, you know when that when 215 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: that's not an option. So but definitely a lot of 216 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: optimism for where this offense can go in year two. 217 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: Special teams coordinator Seawan Meninga I wanted to uh touch 218 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: on his comments as well. I think the thing that 219 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: stood out to me about him it is almost the 220 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: relief that he has that he's going into his second 221 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: season as the special teams coordinator knowing who his return 222 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: man is because the Packers did not have a return 223 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: game really on punts or kickoffs until Tyler Irvin showed 224 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: up in December. He became a free agent at the 225 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: end of the season, the Packers re signed him. He 226 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: is back, and I think coach Meninge is very, very 227 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: happy that he's heading into knowing who his return man 228 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: is on punts and kickoffs well, and just the overall 229 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: stability right stuff. I mean, you got Mason Crosby back. 230 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: That would have been a huge hole if the Packers 231 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: were unable to resign him, especially with how excuse me this. 232 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: You look and see how this league has been with 233 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: the kicking position here the last two seasons. When you 234 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: have a good one, you want to keep them. But 235 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: Crosby has been in this position before. They drafted J. K. Scott, 236 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: you drafted Hunter Bradley. You expect those specialists to be 237 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: able to be the players that you want them to be. 238 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: And then you got a guy like Tyler Irvin who 239 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: basically came out of nowhere last year to rescue those 240 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: return units. And Matt Lafleour Brian Goodcuins. They both discussed 241 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: it even before free agency began. The Packers wanted to 242 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: find a way to bring back Irvin and they did. 243 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: And now you've got a dynamic playmaker that could potentially 244 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: help you in that backfield situation, but more than anything, 245 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: gives you a two way kickoff and punt return. I 246 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: think there's something to be said for that. Mike. In 247 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: this league, it's becoming increasingly specialized. You can be a 248 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: kickoff returner, you can be a punt turner, but you 249 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: don't always play both of those units. Mica Hyde was 250 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: a phenomenal punt returner, wasn't really used that much on 251 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: kickoff returns. Jeff Janice solid kickoff returner, didn't really handle 252 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: punts that often. To have a guy like Irvin that 253 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: can do both and be explosive in both different facets 254 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: of a play that is much different on different sides 255 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: of the spectrum, that's a real fine for the green 256 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: Bay Packers. And just to be able to have that confidence, 257 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: you've got to kind of remember what life was like 258 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: for Green Bay in October and just the uncertainty every 259 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: time fourth down came and and not really knowing, Okay, 260 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: one are you gonna be able to get any yards? 261 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: And two are you gonna be able to maintain possession 262 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: of the ball? Tyler? Irvin alleviated all of that. So 263 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: to to get him back in the fold. It's not 264 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: gonna be nationally a huge thing that's going to register 265 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: on everybody's radar, but especially with an offseason where you're 266 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to learn a lot about what 267 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: these returns, you know, these receivers and running backs can 268 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: do a returners. There's a real benefit to having a 269 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: guy like Tyler Irvan back in the fold and giving 270 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: Sean Menninger after last year having so many question smarks, 271 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: getting to know his special teams unit for the first time, 272 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of a security blanket there, and knowing 273 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: what Irvin is capable of. Yeah, and just to recap 274 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: the statistics quickly. When Irvin stepped in as the Packers 275 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: pump returner in December for the season, the Packers had 276 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: negative pump return yards, and then over the final month 277 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: he averaged nine point six yards per pump return on 278 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: eleven returns, which was really really impressive. And then on 279 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: kickoffs he had a forty five yard kickoff return in 280 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: one game, which was the Packers longest kickoff return since 281 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: Jeff Janis had a forty seven yard in twenty So 282 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: it's not overstating it to say that he really sparked 283 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: and saved the Packers return units in twenty nineteen. All Right, 284 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: we's a couple of other things we want to touch 285 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: on today. Story that uh I posted yesterday on the website. 286 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: Every once in a while, you and I get an 287 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: opportunity to tell the story of an undrafted rookie that 288 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: the packers bring in and sort of tell his long 289 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: shots story of how he, you know, is taking this 290 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: this tough road to try to land a roster spot 291 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: with the Green Bay Packers and Mark Antoine decoy. Hopefully 292 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying that correctly. I've had to spel it while 293 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: I've been writing it. But um, he is a twenty 294 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: five year old Canadian rookie. And I tell you, Wes, 295 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: you and I have both been doing this for a 296 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: long time. Every once in a while, you dig into 297 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: a story a little bit, you get to you, you 298 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: find out about somebody, you get a chance to talk 299 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: to him. And this is a story that just that 300 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: just captivates me from so many angles because it's such 301 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: an improbable, unlikely story that and I don't even know 302 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: if I can recap it all here. But three of 303 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: his first four years out of high school he didn't 304 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: play any football. Then when he does return to the 305 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: game of football, he ends up becoming one of the 306 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: more decorated players in the Canadian college game. He gets 307 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: a very prestigious for the on the Canadian side, gets 308 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: a prestigious invite to a college All Star game in 309 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: the US. They only hand out two of those two 310 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: Canadian players. He goes to the East West Shrine game. 311 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: He's practicing all week with a cast on a broken 312 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: forearm because he had broken his forearm in the Canadian 313 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: National Championship game playing for his his Montreal University of 314 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: Montreal team, So he practices all week with a cast 315 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: on his broken forearm. They don't let him play in 316 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: the actual East West Shrine game. He goes back to 317 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: Canada and ends up having a pro day to try 318 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: to get some more attention from NFL scouts. He's only 319 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: the second player in the history of his school to 320 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: even have a pro day. He actually he has like 321 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: not coronavirus, but some sort of bronchitis or respiratory flu 322 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: type of thing, and he runs a four three five 323 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: on his pro day. So suddenly this generates, you know, 324 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: a certain amount of entryist and the Packers end up 325 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: landing him as an undrafted rookie um following the draft, 326 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: and now he's part of the virtual offseason program. He's 327 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: in Canada. He's still working out, communicating by a computer, 328 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: just like you and I are doing with his teammates 329 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: and coaches and all that. And this guy is gonna 330 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: try twenty five year old rookie from Canada is gonna 331 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: try to make the Green Bay Packers roster. I just 332 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: think it's fascinating. Yeah, it was a phenomenal story that 333 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: he has personally. I thought you told it exceptionally well 334 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: in the story, the written story of the thing. I 335 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: love about it too, And I told you about this 336 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: the moment I read the story. His line about on 337 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: the underdog of underdogs, it really spoke to me because 338 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: we do tell a lot of these stories. His reminded 339 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: me the most of Taysom Hill, if I can use 340 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: that expression. You know, out of these last five years 341 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: that we've been doing these, I've been doing these with you. 342 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: You know, Hill was a twenty seven year old rookie 343 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: or whatever that number was where he has mission and 344 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: then he got hurt and he kept, you know, having 345 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: to get delayed, and it was just that type of 346 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: adversity in the response to it. This is a young 347 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: man's game him, no question about it. You there's a 348 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: reason why we talked about Jonathan Garvin the way we 349 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: do at twenty, and we talked about, you know, Kenny 350 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: Clark the way we did when he entered the league 351 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: at twenty. But every once in a while, you get 352 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: these guys that are in their mid twenties or and 353 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: wasn't Taysom Hill's case, late twenties that become real interesting 354 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: NFL prospects, and Decoy fits all of those measurables. It's 355 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: not that he just was a tall defensive back six 356 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: ft three pounds. No, it's that he ran a three 357 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: four three five forty times. It's that, you know, he 358 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: had ball hawking abilities that he showed at that level. 359 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: And I've said this once, I've said it a thousand times. 360 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: It's something I believe. Elliott Wolfe was the one that 361 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: said this. I know a lot of gms and personnel 362 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: executives go towards this. If you're competing at a level 363 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: of football that is not you know, the SEC or 364 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: the Big ten. What what scouts want to see from 365 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: you is dominance. They want to see, you know, spouts 366 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: of greatness. It's the reason why they went and signed 367 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: Reggie Beagleton. Now that the receiver out of Calgary from 368 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: the CFL, and now he'sn't gonna be in camp with 369 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: them in decoite fits that mantra. He's a guy that 370 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: just stood out amongst his peers. And then, by the way, 371 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: it's not like he was supposed to be this absolute stud. 372 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: He went back to football and he became a really 373 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: good football player. Now we're gonna have to see exactly 374 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: how this summer plays out. I don't know what the 375 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: travel restrictions, if if players do come in where he's 376 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: gonna be at with Canada. But all that being said, 377 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: you can tell the Packers really like this guy, and 378 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 1: this is someone that they're not just looking at as 379 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: a camp body. This is a guy that really they 380 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: could develop. He might take time, he might be raw, 381 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: but man, when you see the measurables and you see 382 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: his production and how he did it in the circumstances 383 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: under which he performed, my goodness, Mike, he has everything 384 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: you look for in a really good undrafted free agent PROCECT. Yeah. Yeah, 385 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: And it's worth pointing out a couple of other numbers. 386 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: To one, he was actually chosen overall in the CFL draft. 387 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: So this is a this is a guy that that 388 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: the Canadian Football League certainly had their eye on. He's 389 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: a very high pick in that draft, but he's focusing 390 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: on trying to make it in the NFL first and foremost. 391 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: And the other thing is, over his last three seasons 392 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: at the University of Montreal West, he intercepted, including playoff games, 393 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: he intercepted twelve passes. He took half of those to 394 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: the house six pick six is out of his twelve interceptions. 395 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean, statistically, it's it's it's almost mind boggling. But 396 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: whichever part of the story of his you want to 397 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: latch onto, there are a lot of different intriguing points 398 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: of entry, so to speak to this story, I just 399 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: think it's a it's a really fun one. You want 400 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: to check outut on the website that I'm sure there 401 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: are some more details in there that that I wasn't 402 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: able to recap it, and please do check it out. 403 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: And one other thing I want to mention too, that's 404 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: gonna work towards Mark Antoine's benefit here. Uh, you wrote 405 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: in there one of my good friends, and I don't 406 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: often say that about pro athletes, but a guy I 407 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: considered a good friend, Andy Milumba, he actually reached out 408 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: to him. Milomba from that area in Montreal where his 409 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: family came from and immigrated to and got a little 410 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: bit of a field for Green Bay and what to 411 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: expect in the NFL. The one advantage that Mark Antoine 412 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: has though that Andy didn't. Andy had to learn English. 413 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: He went to Eastern Michigan having to learn the English language. 414 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: De Quoi has done that. It's maybe not perfect, but 415 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: as a bilingual speaker, I mean that's gonna make his 416 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: development process so much easier to being able to have 417 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: that level of communication. Yeah, he is a native French speaker, 418 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: but his English, his English is quite good. And I 419 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: having the phone interview, phone conversation with him, you know, 420 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: was certainly wasn't a struggle in that respect. And uh yeah, 421 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 1: I think in that in that area he'll he'll get 422 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: along just fine. Okay, Wes one more thing before we go. 423 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: It sounds like and it could be as soon as 424 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: Today's not long after uh this episode. Post to our 425 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: website that the NFL owners are potentially voting on a 426 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: radical change to the on side kick, providing potentially providing 427 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: teams an option of a fourth and fifteen play from 428 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: their own twenty five yard line in lieu of an 429 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: on site kick to try to keep possession of the 430 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: ball after a score. UM, I think you and I 431 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: are both in agreement on this. I don't like it. 432 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't think you like it either. UM, we'll see 433 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: what happens. I'm not overly confident that it's going to pass, 434 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: but it sounds like it is coming up for vote, 435 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens. Well, and we'll see what 436 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: happens on Thursday with this, um when the league ownership 437 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: in their virtual meeting is going to take a real 438 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: look at this. It did get shot down last year. 439 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: It does sound like it has more momentum now though. 440 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: So there are two things that are playing play with here. 441 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 1: Because we'll discuss if this gets enacted next week. I'm 442 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: sure we'll be doing a portion of our show actually 443 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: debating the merits of this. But what ultimately is that 444 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: play is the rule changes that they made with the 445 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: kickoffs two years ago, with having even sides not allowing 446 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: teams to overload, it wiped out really the traditional on 447 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: side kick attempt. You saw percentages go from about success 448 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: rate in two thousand seventeen to only about seven and 449 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: a half percent if you take out what Atlantic kicker. Um, 450 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: I believe it's you, you Coup, I forget his name. 451 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but thanks. I tried though, right, I actually 452 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: went for it. But that trick shot kicker that Atlanta 453 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: had that made three in one game last year. If 454 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: you take out that, it was only eight of a 455 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: hundred and six attempts the last two years. It's just 456 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: become so difficult the league ownership and also the competition 457 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: committee of trying to find ways to make that play, 458 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: obviously staying with the idea of player safety, but also 459 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: make it more exciting. I have pretty strong feelings on this. 460 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: My personal thought is it's a special teams play. I 461 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: don't know why you want to pull the offense and 462 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: defense into it. Special teams has had so much ripped 463 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: from it over the last ten years. Give it something. 464 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: Let's innovate on that play. But that being said, what 465 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: would happen is a fourth and fifteen play from the 466 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: team's own twenty five yard line, an option that they 467 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: could enact twice a game. Doesn't matter if they're trailing 468 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: or not. But obviously, if you don't get the first 469 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: down the opposing team picks up at the spot of 470 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: the ball, it percentages wise, the competition can he says, 471 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: it's comparable. I still wonder if they're factoring in the 472 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: chances and probability of a penalty on that play. There's 473 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: a lot bigger chance for a penalty on an offensive 474 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: and defensive possession then there is on an on side kick. 475 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: A lot of times end up swallowing the whistle on 476 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: an on site kick unless it's an off side. So 477 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: we're going to see what the Competition Committee has to 478 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: say about this, but it's a very interesting measure. The 479 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: league is taking a hard look at trying to create 480 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more of an opening on that 481 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: play for teams to potentially get the ball back late. Yeah. 482 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be interesting to see 483 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: what happens. And we're running up against the clock here today. 484 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: But as you said, if this does become a new 485 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: rule in the NFL, we can certainly continue. Yeah, we'll 486 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: continue the discussion another time, but for now we will 487 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: call it a wrap in this edition of Packers Unscripted. 488 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 489 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: team here through the virtual offseason program on Packers dot com. 490 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. Tuning in, everybody for West 491 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: I Am Mike, take care, We'll see you next time. 492 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: H m hm